The Statistics of Options at Small Forward

Good post, Max. I still think Chandler is the better-option, but I have to give props for a great piece.

Let’s do the right thing and rec Maxy’s post.

Chandler has been my hope for our starting 3 since the trade. Denver is going to have alot of players to resign this offseason and I believe we can steal Chandler.

They have Nene, Chandler and Afflalo all Rfa and then Jr smith and Kenyon Ufa.

We can steal either Afflalo or Chandler.

Never even thought about Young but he shapes up pretty well and is athletic but his jumper is garbage.

Still like Chandler for our team – just a good fit. only making 2mil now, so 6-8mil might do it. No, he’s not an allstar, but very good all around. So NY not winning is because Chandler didn’t do anything, really? That’s funny! He’s the only guy that played D! I agree that Denver is gonna let him walk and hold on to Af and JR – have Nene to resign also.
As for us needing vets cause D-Will says we have great young talent -what else is he gonna say? He’s a leader and he has to play with these guys! He’s not going to alienate his teammates, he’s gonna do and say the right things to get the best out of whoever is there. The young talent is Lopez, Morrow,Hump, maybe James. I’m sure he’s not talking about the whole team!

we need a guy like that this year! Keep D-Will, remember? Some of you guys aren’t looking at his body of work – he’s doing it in Denver also, with inferior talent at PG!!

I think the Nets need to go after Earl Smith and Wilson Chandler. If they miss on Chandler then take AK as a consolation. Re-sign Hump, re-sign Wright on the cheap, buy a couple draft picks and maybe move up to get a quality player; done. That’s it.

If Nets really go for Jeff Green this off season, I’ll be really disappointed. Very overrated/overhyped player.

we would be gettina player on the decline. His points and rebounds dropped considerably after the 05-06 season. He hasnt played more than 72 games since the 04-05 season. Please, don’t bring him up anymore. If he would play for 1-2 mil, fine, okay. If not, forget it! Celts are gonna keep Greene, hence the trade. They’re thinking about geting younger while their big three is still there. That’s good, because HE would probably cost too much. Get Chandler for 6-7 mil or make a trade happen for Granger, even if we have to include Morrow. That would give us an all world PG, an all-star SF and next year’s allstar at C.

I also think the Nets should target Pietrus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5×9g4Y6701Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjSSIJ1emC4

Shannon Brown and Wilson Chandler

I’ll take Thad Young. He would thrive running the break next to Deron Williams. The sixers may be forced to let him go considering they have Turner, Iguodala, and Brand ahead of him at the 2-3-4. He’s also the youngest of any of the guys listed. Thad can only get better if he comes to a team where he knows which forward spot he’s going to be playing and gets to play with a guy that will get him open shots. I think Butler Green and Chandler are all going to get more than the Nets would be willing to pay. And I’d rather they spend on young players with upside than overpay on older guys (Prince and AK) that won’t be here for the longhaul.

I’m still not sure the Nets are going to go out and spend money on any of these guys though. They might be looking at a decent backup big and just make do with Damion James as the starter. My guess is they sign a guy like Rasual Butler and hope that that will be good enough. I hope not, but I have my doubts.

We don’t need another guy to give us 4 points and two boards. We already have Petro!

some of you guys have to go to the D-League for posting. LOL!

He’s 30 now, but was an All-Star under Coach Johnson & has obviously matured since. Knees are a bit shaky, but if healthy could be a good fit.

Flaw #1 – As has been pointed out above, per 36 stats make extrapolated assumptions that are inherently flawed. You can’t expect a guy who plays 15 minutes per game with & against backups to play at the same efficiency when he’s playing more minutes with & against starters.

Flaw #2 – You can’t rate guys only according to rank. Sometimes the statistical difference between 1 ranking slot is essentially nothing, and sometimes it’s huge. An excellent example is the age category. There’s no difference/benefit to one guy being 22, another 23 & another 24, although one could argue that too young could be a negative. Regardless, all 3 will still be in their primes at the end of their next contract. There is a huge difference between 24 & 30, but no difference between 31+7days & 31+20days. Instead of ranking these guys 1-7 in each category, give them a score of 1-10 in each category & tally that. In the age example, I’d give Young, Chandler & Green 10s, AK47, Prince & Butler 4s, and Battier a 3.

Outlaw is not a SF. For us to be semi-efficient with our cap, Outlaw will have to be the primary backup PF. James is a backup 3. Given who is under contract for next year, we need to add 2 starting forwards (debatable whether one of those adds can be resigning Hump at PF) & a backup SG. All of these guys are upgrades over what we have at SF, but it’s debatable as to whether they are starting caliber (they old guys are, but for how long?). Of the RFAs, Young is the least likely to have his contract matched. Philly is a fringe playoff team & they already have a ton of money invested in the 2-4 positions. I’m not sure they’ll match a decent sized contract for Young. Denver has a ton of money to spend & they’ve been playing well since the trade. I doubt they let Chandler walk easily. Boston is over the cap, so their ability to replace Green would be virtually nonexistent. They’ll likely match whatever he is offered.

ak47? any more washed up players we should bring in

$17M space plus $3M Petro (trade) plus $4M Farmer (trade)

$6M hold for Hump. $18M left.

$9M JRich/$6M Big Baby/$3M Ak-47

DWil/JRich/AK-47/Hump/Brook

I think most of the stats are good but you’re not taking into account the fact that Thaddeus Young is more of a small ball power foward, not a true SF. I’m not saying he’s a bad player but when you compare the stats, you’ll see that Young is not much of a scorer outside of 10 feet from the basket. He plays a lot of PF for the Sixers and seems like more of a tweener to me. I always worry about the SF/PF hybrids because they’re usually too small to really guard PFs and too slow laterally to guard SFs.

A finisher is definitely useful next to DWill but if we want a real scorer, I don’t think Young is the answer. I don’t watch Young play much, though. I’m just basing this on hoop data stats. If he can create his own shot and defend SFs at a high level, that would be great. I would just prefer someone like Wilson Chandler, who can shoot and score.

I’m not really sure there is a way to differentiate the SF vs. PF thing. I’m not super familiar with stats, so I’m sure someone else could probably help in that regard. I just imagine someone like Young, if he plays PF, he gets put into situations that he wouldn’t face as a SF. For example, he’d probably have an easier time taking a PF off the dribble than he would a SF. Or a PF would be less likely than to go out on the perimeter leaving him more open than a SF would. Stuff like that worries me about those stats.

As for the shooting stats you put up – I admit I was actually looking at Chandler’s stats in Denver, which is a much smaller sample size. They’re numbers are more similar than I first thought. Young seems to take and make an absurd amount of shots at the rim (really good finisher). Chandler’s lower Ast% + his higher attempts from outside would, in my mind, mean that there’s an even bigger difference than those FG% numbers show. That’s up for debate, though.

Both are good, young, and athletic players. Deciding between the two is probably a matter of preference. I think Wilson is the better scorer in the sense that if you give him the ball in an iso situation, I think he’s more likely to score. I see Young as a guy who scores through offensive rebounds, fast breaks, cuts to the basket. I personally think we need a scorer but someone like Young would also make us better too.

if he wants out, he’s got great trade value. you don’t want to overspend on the wrong players just to mollify one guy – the franchise is too far away from the top for that. nets need to build the right way

Can’t stay healthy at all, it would be wiser to not overspend this offseason if the right deal doesn’t come along. Keep the financial flexibility and cap space for the following offseason

He is going to have to get ankle surgery again in the offseason. This will be the 3rd operation on the same ankle. Warning sign!!!!!!!

I think we should go after these 6 hard:

Jr smith or Nick Young
Ak47 or Thaddeus Young
Big baby or Kmart

Nick Jr
AK Young
Big Baby Kmart

If we can combine them into 3 players, that would be awesome!!!

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