Hypothetical Scenario: Deron & Brook for LeBron "His Talents" James?
by NBRITM on Mar 10, 2011 3:47 PM EST
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PrintA fellow Nets fan told me about a friend (non-Nets fan) who asked him to put himself in King's position, if Pat Riley and Micky Arison called him and offered LeBron James for Brook Lopez and Deron Williams (remember, this is completely hypothetical) would he accept or decline? Obviously, there are two ways to look at this and I think the more intriguing one is in a vacuum. Let's pretend that the Nets didn't have to worry about signing Williams to an extension and that Brook Lopez's contract is not in its last year -- as it will be next year -- let's also assume that a Williams & Lopez for LeBron swap would work financially. This means that the Nets are not facing the risk of DWill leaving them empty-handed, he's locked down for the next five seasons and you still have the prospect of creating a package around Brook to trade for Dwight -- obviously, the best-case is to just acquire Dwight in free-agency and that's still possible so keep that in mind when answering -- which would result in the Nets having arguably the best point-guard and center in the league. There are a lot of factors to consider in this hypothetical situation, as I said I think it's a more intriguing proposition if the contract of Williams and Lopez aren't factored in, but if you feel uncomfortable operating under that assumption then feel free to break it down with Deron's contract up in the air.
So -- what would you do? You're Billy King, you hear you phone vibrating and you look up and see Pat Riley's name; you pick up and Riley -- sounding a bit frustrated and uneasy -- asks about the prospect of trading LeBron James for Brook and Deron. What do you say? Do you take the best player in the NBA while giving away arguably the NBA's best point-guard and a young, promising center? Or are you more comfortable keeping Deron around, possibly swinging Lopez around for Howard or just adding Dwight in free-agency?
I say "yes" as soon I can process the Riley's proposition and offer to call the league office to submit the deal. LeBron James is undoubtably the best player in the NBA and he's still only 26. It hurts to trade Deron, but we're talking about LeBron here. Then you can almost guarantee that Dwight will opt to sign with the Nets in 2012 with the team still having room to sign some key role-players. You open up Barclays with a team centered around LeBron and Dwight and you have a dynasty for the next six-to-eight seasons.
I think it's a really interesting question, but to me the answer is easy. Try to remain objective in your thought-process, even if you hate LeBron you should know how dominant of a player he is, don't let your emotions cloud your judgement.
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I'd turn that down. Lebron is poison.
But it is tempting.
What would be more interesting would be Wade for DWill, straight up. DWill would not compliment Wade as much as he would Lebron.
The Heat are 1 for 18 in the last 10 seconds of a tied or 1 posession game
Numbers through Mon Mar 7
Miami (1 of 18, 5.56%)
L. James 1-7
D. Wade 0-5
M. Chalmers 0-2
E. House 0-2
C. Bosh 0-1
M. Miller 0-1
His former team
that had basically the same roster which won 66 games last year is 12-52.
He’s the best player in the league, like him or not.
LeBron is putting up MVP stats
to go along with back to back MVP seasons.
The Heat are still an elite team, despite struggling down the stretch of close games where they have yet to find an identity.
Just like NB said, watch how much better they will be with Haslem.
Where was your Heat bashing when they were running over teams and destroying the Lakers on national TV? You’re just like the national media, overreact to a losing streak involving tight games and make it out to be this huge disaster when in reality it’s probably just a small roadblock.
I have bashed the Heat since they made the signings.
They will not win a championship with those three.
They will probably beat the Lakers tonight, but I can’t see them getting past several of the East teams. Maybe even the Knicks if the NY super 3 get hot.
Lol... the Knix!
Stop it, you got me tearing up over here.
by vincecarter4pres on Mar 11, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Look they don't play well in crunch time and they don't play well
against the top teams. There is a lot of talent in those two, but there is a flaw in the team. I love Haslem, wanted the Nets to go after him, but Haslem isn’t changing their deeper problems.
Maybe they fix it, but I think it is a deep problem that has to do with the way that Lebron and Wade play off each other.
As dumb as it sounds, I think they’ve just gotten unlucky. I don’t think the trend will continue; I think people are overreacting, but the record against elite teams is something to take note of.
The Token Black-Jew
Let’s see. One version is that the season so far has shown that there are problems with the team, and there a things to point to in explanation (like Wade being stuck on the wing in end of game situations, poor timely shooting from the outside, lack of size, the coach’s inability to handle the pressure and egos)
The other interpretation is that he Heat have been unlucky.
Which one makes more sense?
The latter.
Come on KV, give me more credit than that — you know that’s not merely what I’m suggested.
The Token Black-Jew
I don’t know what you mean by “unlucky” then.
A team doesn’t perform in a certainly situation in a season long way, this is evidence for a problem. I do give you credit when you speak sensibly, but explaining something statistically significant as “lucky” or “unlucky” is not really credible.
To me the Heat 1 for 18 in close game situations is not a matter of luck, and is also related to their problems with the good teams of the league.
Things just seem to go against them, whether it be the refs, a player on the opposing team hitting a very tough shot or a loose ball ending up in the other team’s hands. It’s fair for you to argue that good teams have things bounce their way, you’re right that’s what makes the elite teams, elite.
I think there’s too much talent between Wade and LeBron for the team to continue to falter in late-game situations. I feel like it’s one of those things where once they get over the hump, they’ll be home free.
Obviously only time will tell; I hope I’m wrong because I’m rooting against the Heat, but I really think they’re gonna be in the Finals.
The Token Black-Jew
I think there’s too much talent between Wade and LeBron for the team to continue to falter in late-game situations.
The point is that there is TOO MUCH talent. How do you think Wade feels, one of the best clutch, rings, players in the history of the league drifting to the corner while Lebron pounds the ball at the top of the key with the game on the line?
What do you think that does to a team?
I agree, that IS part of the problem. I think Wade should get the ball more down the stretch and I think he will in the playoffs, that’s part of the reason why I feel they’ll be in the finals.
The Token Black-Jew
He won't in the playoffs in any seamless way.
The problem is about the two of them. They both are the man with the ball. It isn’t going away.
Hardly media hype
They destroyed and bashed middle to bottom tier teams. Lakers are the only top tier team that they have beaten, that is it. In the playoffs, they aren’t facing the Nets, the Cavs, the TWolves, the Raptors, etc. They have to win, without homecourt advantage against teams like Chicago, Boston, Lakers, Spurs. They will not beat those teams 4 games out of 7
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
im scared , lebron has a huge ego ,
no chance of happening , lebron or wade would have to demand to be traded and be asked out which has no chance of happening
if anyone was ever traded there, it would be bosh in 2 years if they dont win the title and even then im not sure miami would give up on bosh so early
there is no chance they would let a player like wade or lebron leave unless they asked out
If Riley was smart, he'd figure out that he calculated wrong.
A big trade of one of those two might be the only way forward. They just don’t compliment each other, and the way that they handled the whole thing kinda poisoned the team – too much pressure.
if anybody I would trade bosh for a PG and a C
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 12, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
not a bad idea either
But Bosh really isn’t that good. You would get a slightly above average PG and Center for him.
ya he has been somewhat exposed being on a good team
plus that contract is huge.
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 12, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I voted yes.
Im still thinking about why exactly. I guess its because of LeBron’s ability to completely change a team around.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
how happy do you think Lebron would be playing for a "Cleavland" again
when he thought he had “Masterminded” a path to the championship?
No. Pending Dwight wanting to play for a non-Championship team.
If Bosh, Wade and Lebron aren’t winning a championship with a bunch of scrubs, neither is Lebron and Dwight with a bunch of scrubs. Basketball is about team play, even in the case of superstars.
I still think that Wade, LeBron and Bosh will come out of the EC. People are severely overlooking Haslem’s impact.
The Token Black-Jew
The problem isn’t Haslem, its their shooting, and their inability to close games (with supposedly the greatest closers in the game).
Sometime shots fall, sometimes they don’t. As I said, I think they’ll come out of the East, but I’d love to be wrong.
The Token Black-Jew
it's their supporting cast
or lack there of. Playing 2.5 against 5 can only take you so far. Haslem will be help, but I can’t see them, this year, beating Chicago or Boston 4 out of 7.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
end of game scenerios have nothing to do with the supporting cast
They isolate and choke.
plus the “supporting cast” problem is what happens when you top load your team the way that they have.
why would Dwight be a Net?
The team around Lebron would be far worse than any Cleavland team of recent memory. Lebron would be joining one of the worst rosters in basketball.
Dwight is not coming. If you think he is coming for Lebron, then he’s probably coming for Dwill as well.
The team around Lebron would be far worse than any Cleavland team of recent memory.
Strongly disagree.
The Token Black-Jew
Well, Net fans have a habit of over estimating their talent.
Maybe TWill will join the team in the off season and we could have Lebron and mini-Lebron playing together!
he'd pair him with VC and Kmart and say that's championship team right there
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I've said
I’d want us to bring Carter and Martin back on complementary roles and on cheap deals, NOT as the main additions, but as veteran additions to fill some oles after we spend the big bucks on starting caliber forwards. Again, facts are those guys are still doing well for players their age, I firmly believe Carter would be a better addition than spending more money on dime a dozen guys like Afflalol, JRich or JR Smith, and KMart would be awesome as 2nd big off the bench (behind Lopez, a stud PF- West, Zbo, Nene- and Hump).
afflalo isn't really a dime a dozen guy.
He’s defense is near the top of the league for position. It depends on how much though.
I created a poll last weekend
and the most voted option was YES to bringing VC and KMart back, so I’m not the only one who thinks it’d be a good idea.
your poll was flawed anyway
you gave people who don’t think bringing them back or that they would come back two choices. 40% as compared to 35% who said yes, said no, don’t bring them back, and that if they were to take a pay cut, they wouldn’t come play for NJ anyways. Ask the 35%, if they would still say yes if it will cost $14 million to get both of them back (that’s being generous assuming they would even take $7mil a piece), almost guarantee most of them, would change their vote to no.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
LoL
People who voted they think they’d be more likely to sign with a contender if they were to take a paycut may want them back anyway. Why assume those who voted for that option do NOT want them back?
35% said YES
20% said NO
and why assume
that everyone will over pay.
plus assume that those who think if they’d take a pay cut would want them back anyway.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
which will never happen
so it’s a ridiculous post. they are not going to sign with the nets to make less than Outlaw. So at the very least, you have to pay them 7 million a piece. Absurd!!
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
go ahead and try offering them $3-$4, they would laugh in your face.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
If we added Outlaw and Petro and Dwight was a guarantee then yeah I’d love to have Dwight and Lebron. However if Dwight snubbed us we would be the Cavs all over again. Lebron carrying a bunch of scrubs and we wouldn’t win a ring.
It would have to happen in 2012 should Miami want to blow it up, Dwight isn’t locked up yet, and we have the money to outright sign him. Then it might be worth the risk. Right now its just to risky even if it’s a hypothetical.
I would most likely do it. When it comes down to it, you’re getting the best player in the NBA, who most-assuredly makes those around him a lot better and would propel your team into relevance that you seek. Keep in mind, Paul is a FA soon, and getting him would probably soother the Nets’ pains in losing D-Will. Get say a Chandler in free agency this year
IMO
Deron is a top 5 player in the NBA and the best PG. So believe me, I’m not underrating our own players. But LeBron James is a legendary talent.
do you want one legendary talent
or championship team. Dwight won’t come to NJ via free agency. Who get traded to a preferred destination before that, so if Nets give up assets, then what? Your left with Lebron and a bunch of scrubs going to the playoffs and that’s about it.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm happy you're not GM
It takes balance to win, not just one player.
I take Deron, Brook and the Nets future than LeBron and his ego.
by ZR on Mar 11, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Tough choice
If it was on the thought process of getting Dwight, I wouldn’t do it, because Dwight won’t ever see FA, and I would be trading the one asset that will be valuable in a trade, Lopez. If I was assured Dwight, then I would do it in a heart beat, my hatred for Lebrick aside, he is arguably the best player in the league. Do I think that Proky would do it, no. Proks pride is to big, and after being snubbed by Lebron, why trade two guys that want to be here (assuming Deron liking it here so far increases to wanting to be here) for a guy who wouldn’t want to be here, therefore will quit in games.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions
I don't think it would be a tough choice at all
LeBron is a generational player. You put bums around him and he wins. Smart drafting and possibly another big star through free agency and you are looking very good.
what big star
no big stars are hitting free agency anymore. you trade away the biggest trade asset in Brook. No one will take any other player on the roster for a big star. One player does not win championships. I don’t care how good he is. He didn’t do it in Cleveland, what makes anyone think he’ll do it here with a bunch of bums?
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
it's a hypothetical.
They aren’t trading Lebron.
It would be interesting if they offered Wade for DWill.
won't happen this year
but if they go through the same stuff next year, Bosh will be on trading block, and I think Wade will ask for a trade. At some point, Wade needs to take back control of HIS team, or leave. can’t have two alpha dogs trying to run the show.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
he looks really tired having to deal with Lebron.
I’m sure it peeves him to give up the ball to Lebron at the top of the key when he is the guy with the rings.
Yes.
Best player in the league and a talent that doesn’t come around very often. He would be the ultimate draw for a guy like Howard also IMO.
Yeah right.
The best players in the game don’t fade in the post season and during crunch time.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
the heat will be fine, the only team i see them struggling against is celtics and lakers
and if one of those teams get injured, they win title by default
As much as getting lebron would be interesting,
but I would rather have a Top 3 PG and a TOP 10 Center then the Best SF. So NO THANKS.
You see what happened in CLE. I wouldnt want that. With Kidd, we had a Top 3 PG with a slightly above average SG, a slightly above average SF(Jefferson or KVH), a talented PF, and an adequate Center (Mac and Collins) and we made it to two back to back Finals.
Now we have a Top 3 PG and a Top 10 Center we just have to add the three remaining pieces. Morrow is an above average SG. If he can improve his defense, he would be an above average SG. DJames is a rookie, but if he can become RJ in his second year. DJames will be an above average SF. Hump is in a contract year so we dont know what he will be next year, but if he continues to do what he did this year and he wants to stay at a decent price. Hump can turn out to be an above average PF.
All that said, this team isnt the best but if we had Dwill in the beginning of the year this team would already have a playoff spot.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
Morrow is an above average SG.
Not sure about that. “shooter” is not the same thing as “shooting guard”.
DJames will be an above average SF.
dreaming.
Hump can turn out to be an above average PF.
not really.
You have this below average team loaded with above average players.
Yeah this below average team sure
is piling up the Assist numbers on the PG.
Odd that his highest assist per games this year happened with this below average team.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
wow. The Nets are a great team!
Notice, all these “above average” players were already on the team before DWill.
the problem is
many view the nets as well, the nets before the trade. a team that was covered in trade rumors and distractions without a true star on the team, and never played to it’s full potential. at times there were flashes, but never really flourished until now. let the rest of the season pan out. I believe Nets will finish with at least 30 wins. This team has a new swagger. It’s free of all distractions, and now starting to reach it’s true potential. Is it a 50 win team, no. I believe Hump can become an above avg PF, and the Nets can bring in two key additions in SG and SF, and that will bump them to a 50 win team.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Humphries can be an above average PF...if we don't include his offensive game.
Defensively he’s solid and has extremely good moments and obviously, on the boards, he’s an animal.
But to be above average you have to have two sides to your game.
that would be a big No
Lebron is a cancer
Yeah I said it
He does not play to his potential
Yeah I said it
Lebron could play pg sg sf and pf and be MVP
I’ve seen him take 20 foot jumpers when he has a sg guarding him
He has no post game or refuses to get down low and take hard fouls
How many times per game does he adjust his headband?
Lebron could play pg sg sf and pf and be MVP
Umm…He already did that. You know, the past two years in a row?
He also has a real argument to be MVP this year too.
He refuses to take fouls?
Free Throw Attempts
1. Dwight Howard-ORL 711
2. Blake Griffin-LAC 559
3. LeBron James-MIA 536
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
he gets those fouls on drives to the lane not in the low post
i said hard fouls
those D12 fouls where 2 or 4 guys hit him because he’s in the post
when he drives the lane he ends up out of bounds
by DJ HeavyDuty on Mar 10, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
No Thanks
Lebron is a cancer to his team mates. Sorry, the guy is only about his numbers. He doesn’t make others around him better. Just ask Bosh and Wade how they’re doing this year. He keeps his numbers up and blames everyone else when they lose. D-Will is a leader and can make others better. Brook is a solid scorer, NOT injury prone, still young and as of late seems to have gotten his focus and confidence back. Why trade away those two valuable building blocks for media hyped drama queen? 8 years in the league and he still can’t shoot? Why isn’t he hitting the gym in the off season leaning new moves improving himself? Last article I read at the ending of their practice he and Wade are off in a corner “talking” while others where still there practicing, I’m sorry you and wade can talk anytime, if you truly were a real leader you’d be the first one on the court and the last one off. You’d be out there helping the others improve their games. Nah they can keep their venom player and stay stuck being reg season greats and playoff second round knock outs.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions
Sorry, the guy is only about his numbers. He doesn’t make others around him better.
That’s why the Cavs won over 60 games last year, amirite?
He’s a SF with a 35.5 AST% this year. Tony Parker is at 35.4 FYI.
He gets 7.1 AST per game.
He makes his team better without question.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
He does?
Then why are Wade and Bosh’s percentages down? I’m sorry Lebron cares more about his own status as an NBA great then actually helping his team mates get better. He gets assists all right but how many of them our from set plays for others? How many are just him throwing the ball away at the last second? Most come from fast break passes. The guy will never win a title unless someone else is the star of the team.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 6:34 PM EST reply actions
Lebron cares more about his own status as an NBA great then actually helping his team mates get better.
If that was the case then he wouldn’t have gone to Miami.
Off-topic, but here’s a good video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI6A5zKIiCo
The Token Black-Jew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI6A5zKIiCo
The Token Black-Jew
Awesome
Though I’m glad he didn’t go to Chi Town
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Are you serious?
The guy went to Miami because he thought Wade could carry him to a title. The guy is over hyped and a horrible starting block he’ll get you numbers in the first three quarters but thats it. In 8 years he’s made two game winning shots. In the play offs he vanishes. Even when they somehow made the finals the spurs made him look like a clown. His baskeball IQ is low. His inability to shoot is saddening. And his ability to shove his foot down his own throat every time he speaks is destructive to a team.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Lebron Career Playoff Numbers:
29.3 Pts 8.4 Reb 7.3 Ast
I wish all my players could vanish in the playoffs like that!!!
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
what happened against the Celtics?
He had good stats in that game (actually), but anyone who watched it saw a guy pouting away a playoff series.
He had his foot out the door.
Look at the roster he took to the Finals:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html
To say he doesn’t make his teammates better is ludicrous.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Anyone who has his foot out the door when he has a chance to
win a world championship is a LOSER beyond compare.
Who wants a guy like that?
Do you honestly think his roster was good enough to beat the Lakers or the Celtics?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
They certainly were good enough to beat the Celtics
They had that series if he would have bother to have played the game. What a baby. Nobody that year thought the Celtics had what it took. Only in retrospect.
Against the Lakers, very much a chance. They were a flawed team then, as the Celtics showed.
Wow KV, this is the first time I’ve seen you let emotion cloud your judgement. LeBron really is a polarizing figure.
The Token Black-Jew
Mo Williams
Anthony Parker
Lebron
Antawn Jamison
Shaq
vs.
Rondo
Allen
Pierce
KG
Perkins
I don’t see it.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Ah, they where in the series when he decided to stop playing
I don’t care what it looks like on paper. It’s what it looks like on the court.
The Lakers had a big problem that year. Gasol was still very soft.
So Lebron was the determining factor in whether or not the Cavaliers were competitive?
I think you’ve just proven my point about Lebron.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
If you're point was that Lebron was the best player
on the Cavs, then why are we arguing?
If your point is that Lebron has Champion blood in him, the argument continues.
I don't think he makes them better
but playing with someone of his caliber makes others play well beyond their means. but like the finals, eventually, that is exposed. There is no doubt he can carry a team, but not to a championship. His problem this year, is learning that he’s not in Cleveland anymore. He doesn’t need to close out games. He doesn’t trust his teammates down the stretch. He has the better closer in Wade.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
What percentages are you speaking of?
Wade Last year: 26.6 Pts 6.5 Ast 4.8 Reb .476 FG% .300 3PT% 19.6 FGA 9.3 FG
Wade This Year: 25.6 Pts 4.4 Ast 6.7 Reb .500 FG% .307 3PT% 18.3 FGA 9.2 FG
He is doing better than last year!
Bosh’s decline can be attributed to the fact that he is using the ball 5.5% less than last year and he is just shooting much poorer.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
It's really that he is shooting far less "at the rim" shots
and more long jumpers. Why he is doing this when he is playing with the greatest passing offensive SF in the history of the league, God knows. But I suspect that Lebron has a wee bit to do with it.
Yeah I say
By next season Bosh will one out.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
You know what separates good players from great players?
The ability to play when the pressure is on. Lebron is the A-Rod of the NBA. When it doesn’t matter when the pressure is not one when the game isn’t on the line he is a beast. It’s easy to get the most shots and assists when the ball is always in your hand. He can not play off the ball he needs to to control damn near every offensive play. But when the game is on the line he cracks. Those final 40 seconds are when the greats shine.
Now we talk about stats. Kevin Love and Blake Griffen are beasts this year, but how many games are being won because of those stats? Don’t be blinded by his “numbers” anyone can post huge numbers.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 6:52 PM EST reply actions
He can not play off the ball he needs to to control damn near every offensive play.
I guess we should trade Deron Williams.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
bad analysis
Deron is a pg. And he is one that knows to distribute the ball when needed. Even without playing with them for a season, he puts the ball where his team can score and trusts them to score. Lebron, because of Cleveland, because of hs, doesn’t know how to trust teammates. His mindset is, “I have to do this, it’s up to me” This is why he fails time and time again against teams that play TEAM BALL
To his credit, he finally took responsibility and agreed he’s failed his team. First time he’s ever done that in 8yrs.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
A famous criticism of LeBron is that he defers too much, now you’re saying that he’s to reliant on himself? LeBron can’t win; hate blinds.
The Token Black-Jew
ESPN
And those criticisms come from ESPN who have proven to constantly be on Lebrons Jock. Anytime the cut him down they have to throw in “he the best in the league today.”
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Even if you don't think he is the best, he is at least top 3, no?
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He’s undoubtedly the best player in the NBA, and has been for the last three seasons.
The Token Black-Jew
Did Kobe die?
I’ll give him top three in leading in categories, but when it comes to the full package of being a great nah. There are so many players out there with less stats that can make their teams better just buy doing little things. The thing with him is that he feels the more numbers he puts up the more important he is. It’s not just about the numbers there is so much more to actually being a great player than numbers.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
The playoffs haven’t started yet. KV, you’re being awfully emotional right now, I’m surprised.
The Token Black-Jew
The Heat struggled mightily against elite teams in ’06, yet they managed to capture a ring.
Come on KV, you’re better than this.
The Token Black-Jew
Yeah. It sucks besides the Heatles and a couple role players.
You’ve seen the Heat’s .672 win percentage, right?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
He is without doubt the best STATISTICAL player in the league.
Too bad basketball isn’t played on a computer.
I admit that whatever happened last year against the Celtics is definitely a stain on his record, but the dude ****ed his mom.
The Token Black-Jew
okay. So you are bummed so you stop playing in a playoff series..
Not only that, after you do that you lie to all your home town fans and simply quit on your city.
Um. Jerk. Loser. Weak mind. What fits?
Wade. Riley. Please save me.
The Heat
Should trade Lebron to the T-Wolves for Love and the draft rights to Ricky Rubio
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Ill agree on that
But stats don’t get rings he’s proven that time and time again.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
i don't hate his game
i go by what i see. Is Lebron the best, I don’t think so. When Kobe retires, then Lebron can take that crown (and for the record, I HATE KOBE BRYANT). Lebron doesn’t defer down the stretch. He tries to do to much. He dribbles to much. He penetrates and doesn’t kick out. Why, because he doesn’t trust his teammates. Or maybe he does, but his ego is so high, that the king can’t defer to teammates down the stretch, and take on a different role and adapt during the game. He’s been doing the same thing for 2 years. Putting up big numbers, making a sub par team(cleveland) a contender, and that is it. Maybe Lebron should go to the school of Jordan, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Russell to learn what it takes to reach the next level.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
doesn’t know how to trust teammates
He trusts them enough to be in the top 15 of all assisting categories.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Only 15 players get rings every year.
If teams only hired players who had rings, the NBA would be atrocious.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
LOL
Then he’d be a champ. Real greats don’t care so much about catagory leading. They may lead in one or are top five in one. But they understand that every player has a role and they don’t have to lead in all categories.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Take the top-30 players that Kobe has played with and see where you spot the best player LeBron has played with. It’s a fun exercise.
The Token Black-Jew
Yeah
Thats all management. But Kobe’s best two team mates where Shaq and Pau. Shaq lead Kobe Kobe lead Pau. Kobe has never played with two superstars at one time. But the queen is and he got more wins in Cleveland
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
So you’re saying Chris Bosh is a superstar? Do you think Wade is better than Shaq?
Mind you, as Max and I keep reiterating — the playoffs have yet to begin.
The Token Black-Jew
The Lakers might lose to the Grizzlies.
“Might” is all hypothetical.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Wade is a killer.
LeBron is a Killer.
Bosh is pretty good.
Both benches are horrible so I’ll take the team that actually plays defense.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
3s are more important than Defense.
That’s why Ammo is the best SG in the league, amirite?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
In THAT series they are more important.
The reason for that is Miami’s huge weakness is their inconsistent outside shooting, due to having no post game.
Miami can only win with deep shooting off the Lebron and Wade penetration.
In THAT series it is more important.
The reason for that is New York’s huge weakness is their defense
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
There are only TWO players to defend for the Heat.
The Knicks biggest problem is TEAM defense. If the 3 isn’t hit, it will be 2 on 5
They don't have to defend Chris Bosh, Eddie House, Mike Miller, or Udonis Haslem?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Also,
MIA team 3PT% .365
NYK team 3PT% .368
Is that .003 going to compensate for the huge disparity in defense?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Teams shoot .338% from three against Miami
Against NYK, they shoot .373%
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Bosh is a 20 ft jump shooter now. No.
If house and miller aren’t shooting well. No.
And Haslem has never been someone you have to defend.
you realize that playoff basketball is half court basketball
Isos in half court basketball when you have no weakside shooting are ineffective.
Stole my reply. I was typing it up as you replied. Lol.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
No way. As a Playoff player
no comparison between billups and Bosh. No comparison. Billups can dominate a game.
Wade without Lebron is better than Melo, but not with Lebron. Lebron slows Wade down.
Lebron has been having an MVP type season too.
He is also the two time reigning MVP.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Which one plays defense?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
There is nothing objective with which I can evaluate the Heart of a player.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
No one.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Jeez and that LeBron guy can't.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Mar 10, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
In a FOUR GAME SAMPLE SIZE WITH THE KNICKS
He has a 27.7 PER in his four games with the Knicks.
The problem is that you are ignoring the 18.8 he posted with Denver.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
So you are using a four game sample size?
I guess that proves Lebron is the best because he posted a 50 point game.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
He’s taking the four game sample from the Knicks?!!!
HAHHA — KV stop it. You really hate LeBron this much, huh?
The Token Black-Jew
you should be watching the Lakers now
because it probably is the last Heat vs. Lakers game of the year.
You mean the team that hasn't played a single playoff game together?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
NBITRM was linking playoff success to the accompanying talent.
Lebron has not yet played a playoff game with comparable talent to what Kobe had.
That is the point I was trying to make.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
What player in the league is not flawed?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
a spoiled prima donna
who either dominates the ball too much, or too little. Has no way to fuse with Wade.
Kobe, the team cancer who publicly cheated on his wife and was a straight ball-hog for the large majority of his career.
If anything, Kobe is more flawed than LeBron. What was Kobe’s personality like at 26? Come on.
The Token Black-Jew
Kobe had the advantage of Shaq.
Not just on the court. He was able to grow up as the second best player on his team.
Yeah He was
But he grew and hopefully Lebron will. i doubt it seeing how everyone has pegged him to the GOAT since he was 18. Hell Kobe started off the bench Lebron was made the face of a team before he even stepped on the court. Lebron has been spoiled and is starting to believe in the media’s hype.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Again, most players in the NBA are seriously flawed.
What makes Lebron more flawed than others?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Lebron had a great run to the Finals. Epic.
Maybe like the Walton Portland run.
But you don’t become “the greatest” for such runs.
Do you believe
They can beat the Knicks in a seven game series? I predict first round knockout if they match up with them.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
And Melo
can hit a clutch shot so can Billups
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
They got two unstoppable clutch players
and maybe the best low-post scorer in the league.
Definitely a problem in any series if it clicks.
And
What do you see happening in the playoffs. Hell they had a title celebration before the regular season started. So its only fair we celebrate their loss before the play offs start.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
how many assists down the stretch?
he can give out 10 assists a game for 3 qtrs. but when it counts? he doesn’t.
by domininaldo1981 on Mar 10, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Lebron is the A-Rod of the NBA
I almost wrote this earlier today. And like A-Rod eventually he will get his ring and people will forget what disappointment he had been.
While I disagree with your general opinion on LeBron I have to agree that the parallels between A-Rod and LeBron are endless. It’s very bizarre how similar the two are.
The Token Black-Jew
Off-topic, but this is a great article on Vince Carter since we’re talking about players who don’t perform in the playoffs.
http://netsarescorching.com/2011/03/08/vince-carter-and-george-costanza-paradigms-of-ineptitude/
The Token Black-Jew
I saw that. It's a great article.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Kobe>LBJ
hate lebron dont want his attitude on our team even though he is undoubtetly good it is not worth it
but wouldnt mind dwight and deron
I am thrilled we missed out on LBJ. You saw it in Cleveland, and you see it now with Miami. Even though he is the most talented and SHOULD be the best player in the NBA, because of his lack of bball IQ, he loses games, and ultimately championships for his teams.
He is the best player of all time getting to the basket, and also running the floor. Yet he does little of this when it counts. Why? Is he afraid? Is he scared of taking a FT? I have no idea. Either way, I am glad that we “missed out” on a player who does 1 on 5 basketball when the game is on the line only to settle for a fade away long range brick.
Comparing him to MJ or Kobe, who both had their share of 1 on 5, with them, I always got the impression that they got “their” shot. Lebrons always… yes always… seem forced and uncomfortable to him. I would like to say that he could learn how to play correctly, drive and hit a high % shot, or at least find a way to create space for himself, but its been how many years now… and no change. Its gotten worse if anything.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
How can you be glad the Nets missed out on Lebron?
Harris/Farmar
Morrow/???
Lebron/James
Favors/Hump
Lopez/Petro
That would be one of the top teams in the league.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I just explained why.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
I read it. i guess I just can't understand the logic.
The Nets would undoubtedly be better with Lebron than without.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Yeah they would be better… but will that win it all? I can see a better team being assembled with the best PG(who can also score in crunch time) running our team. Put some talent around him, and there is no reason why you need to have Lebron, who has been beaten time and time again.
Have you been watching him lead his team and close out game the past season? Its worse then I could have even predicted.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
But the Nets would still have had the means to assemble the package to acquire Williams.
D-Will
Morrow
Lebron
Hump
Lopez
is not a championship contender?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Yeah, then Dwill would do what? He could sit around and watch Lebron too?
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
yup
Also no we wouldn’t have that package as our draft pick for this year would not be that valuable. And most likely Utah would not have sent us Deron knowing he might have the chance to contend.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
As I said, people let their hate for LeBron cloud their judgement. It’s funny to watch; just take KV, for instance, one of the most intelligent and objective posters on NetsDaily is reverting to unsubstantiated claims and contradictory remarks.
The Token Black-Jew
Look what he did to all the players hes player with. Mo Williams was on the verge of quitting the sport, LITERALLY. Jamison was a 20 and 10 guy, and just like Bosh now, Lebron doesnt know anything else but “Lebron” ball. A guy like Shaq, is getting old, but he went from being an All Star with the Suns, to the very next year a nothing. Again Lebron couldn’t figure out how to include the team, unless it meant sit back and watch him jack up a 3. Now look at Shaq, he is holding down the fort and contributing how he should have been in Cleveland. Now you have a guy like Wade, and Wade in my opinion had a worse team then Lebron did last year, who is very capable, and they are now reverting back to Lebron ball.
Its not blind hate, I have valid reasons why I would not want him. I think they are pretty damn good… and thats just his play on the court. Forget about what he does to the coaching staff and fans.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
If that means MVP ball, than I hope all NBA players play "Lebron" ball.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Sighh…. Allen Iverson
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Honestly
Thats what I see. He will be the next AI. As the years go by and he doesnt get a ring he will be the next AI.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Even if he does get a ring, and he probably will, it still doesn’t excuse the past. There were plenty of times where big playoff games should have been won by Lebron, and he did idiotic things that have been discussed at length. Its not just about hitting or missing a shot, but what he does with the ball.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
John Stockton and Karl Malone are the suxorz amirite?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Man
Dont get me started on those two
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just wondering, if it wasn't for your perception of Lebron as a whiner, would you think he is the best player?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I don't think he knows anything other than "Lebron ball".
He is the best VIDEO game player in the league.
Nice Phill Jackson quote. “they play xbox ball”
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
You still didn't answer my question.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I thought the question was answered.
I don’t know what “best” means. you mean in a one on one contest?
Bull. You know what I meant by best.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I don't know.
I’ve already said I’d rather have 10 other NBA players on my team.
I think Wade is a better “player” than Lebron if you count everything. Lebron isn’t even the best player on his own team.
So what does Lebron have to do to win THIS season, can you tell me that? You make it sound like its a lock. Should be right? I mean Lebron is the best player, Wade is second best(I actually think Wade is the best player in the NBA personally) and you have Bosh who is pretty good himself. So whats the problem? Yeah they still could easily win it, but looking at their team now, struggling over and over, what do you think is the problem, because there obviously is one.
Everyone else sees the problem, Barkley hit the nail on the head.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
It was glorious.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Nah.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
When
did he say it now I have to google this. I love it when charles bashes the heat
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
What
Oh I missed it what did Barkley say?
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
The Lakers had a bad stretch too. The got beaten by the Cavs!
Remember all the talk about Artest wanting out?
Are the Lakers any worse of a team because they had a bad stretch?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
So we're switching the argument to Spoelstra now?
So Lebron isn’t the problem?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Do you think LeBron is a "team-cancer?"
There are probably 10 players i’d rather start my team with.
Than LeBron James?
Okay.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Mar 10, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
If you mean by "cancer" ...
“has detrimental effects on his team”, totally.
Wade is SUCH a good player. He may even be better than Kobe. Lebron has reduced Wade’s greatness. He he has minimized Wade’s greatness.
And psychologically he brought some seriously cancerous mentalities to the Heat.
Wade Last year: 26.6 Pts 6.5 Ast 4.8 Reb .476 FG% .300 3PT% 19.6 FGA 9.3 FG
Wade This Year: 25.6 Pts 4.4 Ast 6.7 Reb .500 FG% .307 3PT% 18.3 FGA 9.2 FG
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
His impact on the COURT is minimized.
Its not about stats.
Wade’s greatness is how when the game is on the line he can TOTALLY dominate and shut the game down.
He is not that player now.
Nope
Its funny how people dont look at that stat.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
You are blinded by stats! Thats all this is! You argue for his MVP status, you site stats… but look at the play on the court. Dont you think a guy like AK47 plays above his stats for example?
Its about using a player to win ballgames, not to rule the stat sheets. How about teams like the Spurs or the Mavs who have stats so spread out amongst the team.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
No I argue against the foolish arguments that I see here.
Lebron has won plenty of ball games.
Do you think Dirk sucks because he hasn’t won a championship?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
You are blinded by your perception of him as a person.
A player can be great while being a jerk. Plenty of great baseball players were womanizers for example.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
If his biggest detriment as a player is being a jerk, or being immature, then what's the problem?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Its not that he is a jerk
Its that he doesn’t know how to feel the game, how to have the right level of aggressiveness or waiting. He’s immature and his play is EXTREMELY immature.
We joke about video games, but he really does play like its a video game. Exactly like it. What do you do in a video game at the end of the game when its tied after the CPU handicap mounted a 20 point comeback? You go Lebron vs the world and press shoot, and it most likely puts you in a forced face away animation. I really think pop culture is at influence here.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
So which one is it? He defers too much or he shoots too much?
Max, I don’t think we’re ever gonna make any progress.
The Token Black-Jew
Probably not.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Funny how this immature individual was deemed “The Captain” during the olympics in Beijing when he was amongst players such as Kobe, Wade, Melo and Kidd.
The Token Black-Jew
He is a loud personality, that’s just a psychology thing. Loudest person in the room almost always takes over.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
That's why Derrick Rose is the leader of the Bulls?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Well the good thing is, now that we have a mega rich aggressive owner, we are not in the business of just winning reg season games. Do I want Dirk on my championship team? Maybe. If Kidd is the point man then yes.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
That's why the Cavs won 61 games last year, amirite?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
And
Lost once again in the play offs.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
How does the best team in the league 2 years in a row, by a lot, not win it all? Because of what we are saying, his decision making when games are on the line. Big game decisions. He has a bad bball iq.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
How does the best team in the league 2 years in a row, by a lot, not win it all?
Maybe because it wasn’t the best team. It was the best player and no real help.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
He makes his teammates worse. Thats part of being a good player isn’t it, how you make your teammates play? He made everyone big that came to the team bad. Everyone. Shaq, Williams, Jamison.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Please
He had help. Mo, West, Jaimison, Verajo and Shaq
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn't make them the best team.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Like I said before, look what he did to Shaq. If a player doesnt fit in Lebron ball, he just doesnt get used. Shaq was an allstar on the Suns, and is playing GREAT again in Boston.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Like I said before, look what he did to Shaq. If a player doesnt fit in Lebron ball, he just doesnt get used.
The funny thing is, Wade doesn’t even fit “Lebron ball”.
Its like they are playing two different games.
Yuo can see it on the court. Lebron is SUCH an amazing physical talent, but his iq is just so bad. He wins because of his abilities. I am anxious to see what happens when he gets older and slower.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
9 points 5 Boards is great?
You can’t blame Lebron for Shaq’s drop off. Shaq was 38 and injured.
Hell, Lebron deferred to Shaq more than Phoenix did.
Shaq’s USG% went up when he went to Cleveland.
He played 7 less minutes and converted less shots.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
No his stats are not great at all. Bingo.
Good thing this is not about stats.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
What makes Shaq so great with Boston then?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Have you watched any Boston games this year? I mean I live in Boston, I have the unfortunate time of having to watch games… he is involved in easy bucket pick and rolls, comes up with big rebounds when they need them most, and they use him to maximize HIS potential to fit in the TEAM. As opposed, Lebron and Shaq together was get out of my way, I am going to drive to the hole, good luck getting the offensive board if I miss.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
that's why Shaq got to use the ball 25% of the time.
Shaq chose what to do with it 25% of the time. He is responsible as well.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
So you agree then? Lebron isn't the problem?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
What professional athlete does not have a huge ego?
Look at Sasha “I can drop 30 without breaking a sweat” Vujacic.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
“Im taking my talents to…”
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Nah
Prokov even said he knew Lebron wasnt coming. Didn’t even bother watching the our long ESPN lebron love fest
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
So his ego makes him a worse player?
The dude gets close to averaging a TD every year.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Mo Williams was on the verge of quitting the sport, LITERALLY.
Because Lebron left, not because of LeBron…
Mo Williams is 27, healthy and has three years and $26 million remaining on his Cleveland Cavaliers contract. But none of that mattered much to him this summer after he watched LeBron James leave the Cavs to join the Miami Heat. Williams said he was so depressed by James’ exit that he considered walking away from the NBA.
“That’s how bad it got,” Williams said. "I contemplated it. I really sat down and envisioned life after basketball. …I really saw myself not playing.
“It just didn’t make sense to me. …It doesn’t make sense to me.”
The Token Black-Jew
As I said, people let their hate for LeBron cloud their judgement. It’s funny to watch; just take KV, for instance, one of the most intelligent and objective posters on NetsDaily is reverting to unsubstantiated claims and contradictory remarks.
Alright well lets look at things the other way around. Is your love not clouding the situation as well? Tell me, why do you like him, or, value him so highly? He is portrayed as the best in the league, invincible, no one can stop him, but we have seen him be stopped time and time again.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
I don’t “love” him. I’m indifferent, just as I am about Wade. Mind you, Kobe Bryant is my favorite player, I’m just able to separate my feelings from my assessment of a player’s performance.
The Token Black-Jew
But
Your stating Lebron is the best based on stats alone. You know that greatness isn’t based on stats alone. Jordan has the highest PPG but all other stats where about average. Yet he helped develop Scottie Pippen, Helper Ron Harper recapture his glory days and lead the the Bulls to six rings. However despite his PPG would Jordan’s stats be considered worthy of GOAT?
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Look at Cleveland’s roster. Look where LeBron brought them. I don’t know what more I can say.
The Token Black-Jew
I thought his roster was FAR better then what Wade was working with. This also leads to the explosion of a post Lebron team. He changed so dramatically the way those players like Jamison and Shaq played, that they still haven’t recovered. How does a 20/10 guy get traded and literally instantly get reduced to dead weight? He changes teams to suit his style of play.
Who was the 2nd best player on the Cavs? Mo Williams. Then Jamison. You could probably flip those. They had a knock down shooter in Gibson, then a serviceable big man. Great players off the bench like Delonte, and Hickson.
Who were the Heats next best players? Jermain O’Neil!?Then who? Haslem? The rest were too young, or not even known players.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Im Glad
I threatened to stop being a nets fan if we signed him. I think the guy is a black hole. You saw it in Cleveland and now you see it in Miami. D-Will is the better choice. We need a leader not a ball hog who fades away in the final moments.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 7:49 PM EST reply actions
Also… in a semi unrelated to his performance on the court, I have yet to be able to find this online, but here on the radio(Boston) they were reading some Cleveland beat writers article word for word over the air, and it basically went on and on explaining how much Lebron effected the team. Having an entire section behind the bench for his “posse,” and sometimes on some occasions demanding his friends get seats on the bench! The worst one was describing his strangle hold on the teams flight schedule. On some occasions the team would normally schedule a flight on say, a Tues, but he would have the plane leave on a Wed so he could attend ____’s party. A player of his stature has so much control over an organization, that it takes the “team” concept out of it, and its just a stud, and a bunch of followers. It effects on court play if the players see this primadonna acting like a child.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
I do NOT want
that slob on the team I follow.
I refuse going to heat games, because i just want to jump out and hit him.
I. Hate. Lebron.
I have my respect for him (as far as basketball goes) But i have no respect for a man who can be such an arrogant you know what.
Plus, he isnt a team changer. Deron has the ability to be a team changer.
What is the ideal basketball player?
Is he athletic?
Does he possess the ability to involve his teammates in the offense?
Does he have great court vision?
Does he possess the ability to rebound the ball at a decent clip?
Does he play great defense?
Does he have the ability to score a great deal of points in every game?
Is his name Lebron James?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
LMAO
His Court Vision his joke. Most of his assists come off fast break passes. If he really has court vision he’d pass out to the open ring on the perimeter instead of barreling through the paint against four players. Defense? I also found his defense lacking. I haven’t seen him shut down a player. Yeah he gets some steals and the king of the chase down block but if you wanna see defense watch some Scottie Pippen clips. Yeah he can score points, but not when it matters. Athletic yeah no one better in the league I’ll give him that. Yeah he can rebound. But can he shoot consistantly? Can he run a team?
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:49 PM EST reply actions
His Court Vision his joke. Most of his assists come off fast break passes. If he really has court vision he’d pass out to the open ring on the perimeter instead of barreling through the paint against four players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9tvpiJkBgA#t=0m29s
The Token Black-Jew
1. Dwight Howard-ORL 94.6
2. Kevin Garnett-BOS 94.7
3. Andrew Bogut-MIL 96.9
4. Taj Gibson-CHI 97.6
5. Ronnie Brewer-CHI 98.1
6. Carlos Boozer-CHI 98.7
7. DeJuan Blair-SAS 99.3
8. Tim Duncan-SAS 99.3
9. Marcus Camby-POR 99.4
10. Rajon Rondo-BOS 99.8
11. Emeka Okafor-NOH 100.1
12. Josh Smith-ATL 100.7
13. Glen Davis-BOS 100.8
14. Ersan Ilyasova-MIL 100.8
15. Paul Pierce-BOS 101.0
16. Chris Paul-NOH 101.5
17. LeBron James-MIA 101.6
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
So
Dwight Howard is the best player in the NBA then. Top Defensive, Athletic, Can Score can rebound.
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Can he involve his teammates effectively in the offense?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Who
WOuld you take Lebron or Dwight?
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Assists Per Game
1. Rajon Rondo-BOS 12.1
2. Steve Nash-PHO 11.4
3. Deron Williams-TOT 10.2
4. Chris Paul-NOH 9.6
5. Jose Calderon-TOR 9.2
6. John Wall-WAS 8.8
7. Raymond Felton-TOT 8.8
8. Russell Westbrook-OKC 8.5
9. Jason Kidd-DAL 8.3
10. Derrick Rose-CHI 8.1
11. Devin Harris-TOT 7.6
12. Andre Miller-POR 7.3
13. LeBron James-MIA 7.1
14. Tony Parker-SAS 6.6
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I dont get the video
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Mar 10, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Pay attention to what Fields says immediately at the start of the section in the link.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
LOL
Really? A stupid video f Landry Fields where he give Lebron Credit for something thats you proof?
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
No. I thought he meant that he was saying "What?" "What" to your statement.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Brooklyn's Population: 2,567,098 - It would only take about .701% of Brooklyn's Population to fill the Barclays Center.
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
It was funny
I especially love the block on the guy and yelling Patrick Ewing
by Michael Hawk Corrales on Mar 10, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
No
I’d rather lose Deron and Brook for nothing than go over to the dark side with LeBron and his posse
Man this is crazy
overanalyzing Lebron to the max
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 12, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions
IMO
The Heat have trouble with the elite teams for two reasons: those elite teams have chemistry and depth. Heat lack in both areas.
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Mar 12, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
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