Are Nets' Attendance, YES Ratings at Rock Bottom of NBA Numbers?
by Net Income on Feb 7, 2011 8:53 AM EST
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In spite of a move to Newark and a marketing campaign that things are "all new", the Nets attendance and TV ratings appear to be at the bottom of the NBA.
The Nets list their average attendance at "The Rock" as 12,868 so far this season, down nearly 2% from last year.
That's also about 1,000 lower than the next lowest, the Kings, who play in the league's most antiquated arena. However, team insiders are quick to point out that the Nets numbers released to the league are "turnstile numbers", that is people who actually enter the arena. Teams are free to report either "turnstile numbers" or tickets sold and distributed. In terms of tickets sold and distributed, insiders say the Nets are actually 18th in the league, a bit up from last season. In the past, the Nets reported tickets sold and distributed.
Meanwhile, Sports Business Journal reports that the Nets' television ratings on YES are the lowest local ratings in the NBA, at 0.29, meaning only about a quarter of one per cent of all households in the New York area tune into watch the 15-37 Nets. The next lowest rating, for the Clippers on FOX Sports West, is nearly three times higher.
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Can't understand it
I live in Europe and stay up the whole night as often as I can to watch Nets games via ILP.
I don’t have nothing for good-weather-fans…
by Gyniko on Feb 7, 2011 9:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
the product is atrocious
and it’s coming off of a 12 win campaign.
None of this is surprising. Nets actually have to put a team worth watching and paying to see on the floor before these numbers will go up.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Preach DB
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS & BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
by Mikee21 on Feb 7, 2011 9:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Crazy talk. It’s All New, surely people will care, right?
Blueprint For Greatness.
The Token Black-Jew
by NBRITM on Feb 7, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the teams with the best fanbases get butts in the seats, no buts about it.
even when the team is bad.
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
same with the Bulls, even after hitting rock bottom when Jordan left.
I don’t know top 10, but I’d bet a nickel on it.
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
WOW the Bulls have only been outside the top three TWICE since 2000-01
They were 9th in 2001-2002, and 5th in 02-03
My thoughts exactly....
I wouldn’t be surprised if they make a scraps for scraps type of deal by the deadline. Smh and with Avery not including Harris in the “safe starters” list of Lopez and Favors I wouldn’t be surprised if Harris indeed ends up getting benched (even though its not his fault Smh) which would in turn have him on the road of being traded… Yeah from the Nets getting back into the Denver sweepstaks (if they ever truly left) to them making 3 to 5 player deals that dont include them giving up major assets I think a major explosion of this team is gonna happen. A trade like the Indiana and GS trade like 4 years ago is what I’m thinkin we might do with another bad team…
We suck and really don’t have much talent to even get more than 25 wins barring a trade. Ten what makes it even more laughable is we are going overseas against Toronto and if this team stays as is we will most likely get swept and booed off the court in Europe Smh wow as if losing badly in China Vs the rockets wasn’t bad enough haha…. Much props on your insight MrDollarbills btw…
by boogeewon on Feb 7, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually for those of you who are not familiar with the number crunching,
let me say to you that the TV rating numbers for the Nets are very misleading. The simple reason behind it is that the YES Network is a NY television, so they are looking at NY and NJ. NY is home to 13.3 M people, while NJ’s population is just 8.8. So instead of looking at teh number of households in NJ, they are taking into account the people in NY also, who are Knick fans.
‘Misha, where are your knees?’ He looked like a grasshopper."
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement.
Also
Much of the southern half of NJ doesn’t get the YES network.
Agree
I have stopped watching. They’re not even interesting. Too many slow guys who don’t run, too many one dimensional guys, too many guys who can’t get their own shot or get out of a double team, too many unforced errors and self inflicted wounds. I pity the media who have to report each game.
me too, stay up whole night to watch them play even when i have to get up early the next morning…but as far as i haven seen and read on this site the nets don’t have the most supporting and enthusiastic fanbase…
I take umbrage with that.
The fans who are here are great fans. Must be to support this team at this time.
Supporting and Enthusiastic? Sometimes the front office does stupid stuff and we call them on it (see Outlol, Travis).
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
The fact that the words "New Jersey" have been banned 3 years in advance has, undoubtedly, hurt.
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
The fact that I live in a suburb of our state's capital and can't get the YES network
is a problem not only for current fans, but prospective fans as well. I am blocked because I live in Sixers territory – literally two streets away from where I could get the YesNetwork. I tried to order the NBA ticket on my computer and Nets games were blacked out because my IP address was from North Jersey. The only was I can get Nets games is if I order the NBA ticket for Comcast. I live in New Jersey. Even if I switch to Verizon and get the sports package I get the YesNetwork but Yankee and Nets games are blacked out. It’s ridiculous.
DirecTV
I moved to northern Burlington County. Mercer County gets NY channels & YES. Burlington gets Philly stations, but YES is included on DirecTV. That was the only cost-effective way for me to get Nets games.
I completely disagree
Not having “New Jersey” on the jerseys, logo, etc. isn’t the reason why support has dwindled. What’s hurt is the product on the floor, the lack of excitement/buzz from having a superstar, the prices at the box office, the economy, and the fact that, let’s face it, we’re not the Knicks. I go to every game and I wish we could rent more people to attend – give all the tix away for free – just to build energy in the arena. Anyone who’s been there this yr knows the arena can rock when there are enough people in the house. Who cares if the person sitting next to me paid 50x less or nothing – as long as he/she is cheering loudly. Most bball fans in NJ are Knicks fans, they grew up that way and their kids are growing up that way. It’s the path of least resistence to be a Knicks fan. It’s much harder to be a real Nets fan – that’s why comparitively there are so few of us who declare our support by posting here or attending games. But there’s no comparison, Nets fans are more savvy and passionate. I’m from New Jersey but I don’t care what the Nets jersey says – or the team name is – I’m going to follow them as long as I can.
The Clippers have the most exciting player in the NBA. We don’t.
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
The Clips have a young Antoniop McDyess...
while the Nets have the next Rick Smits.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Feb 7, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I know right, someone like Manny Harris.
The Token Black-Jew
by NBRITM on Feb 7, 2011 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think
they sold most of their season tickets before lebron left. that number will go down a lot in the next few seasons and it’ll be like old cleveland again.
And we wonder why stars dont want to play with us
I saw the D howard article and then this comes out and its downright laughable if we are on anyones radar today.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Well if we had a S T A R ...
I’m sure the people would come out…i’m a season ticket holder and i can’t even give them away on days i can’t attend because of work…people are just like the NETS…nah i’m good i thought u had Knick tickets..do you know how that makes me feel…and then one day people were saying Net tickets was .50 and yes i mean 50 cents on StubHub…down right disgusting
D Howard is 2 seasons away
If we still have the same talent level around here in 2 seasons then its time to throw in the towel.
the team is one of the 5 worst in the NBA
what makes you think that this franchise, already with a rich history of losing would attract people to watch their product? The Nets have to consistently win games before any improvement in the numbers can begin
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Market just isn't there, aside from just being bad
Even when the Nets went to the Finals, they were in the bottom 5 and bottom 10 in attendance.
Exactly
We have never had that strong of a fan base for whatever reason.
Lets hope it changes in BK
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
We have never had that strong of a fan base for whatever reason.
Losing is the reason.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
The market isn't there? Were in the number 1 market in the country!
its amazing how nets ownership in the past 30 as been “okay” with being the Knics bitch. Prok will change all that, but its going to take some time.
Actually the good years were 2001 to 2004.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 7, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if they take DVR views into account
I DVR every game and watch later in the night. I never get home in time to watch… especially with these new 7 o’clock starts.
But I can see the overall numbers being down. Even the forum is much slower on here now.
I used to watch every game no matter their record...
… even last year for the most part. But this year I am just turned off by the product to the point my enthusiasm gone. They play terrible team and individual ball. And they have no fire at all. Maybe Cousins was just what this team needed. BTW, I’ve gone to 3 games this year (that’s 3 more than last year), which is more fun than watching on TV. But they were all victories, which helps.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 7, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I've been to 2 games
Was thiniking I was going to go to more, but I just can’t motivate myself to go there lately. It’s a combination of the way they’re playing and this horrible winter.
But I still watch every game.
Very surprising
I am actually quite surprised that our attendance is lower than last year. I mean, 12 win team in an antiquated Arena that NJ Transit essentially cut off out draws the Rock?
Also, the crowds at the Rock just seem larger (although late arriving — probably to avoid having to hear Marco G announce the starting lineup), and certainly louder than those at the IZOD last season. Guess not.
Less free tickets given out
is also a possibility.
New Jersey hasn't supported the Nets in 15 years
since the 1997-98 season, the last season they finished in top 15.
It’s not about “marketing” or Brooklyn or lack of stars, etc. It’s about a lack of support.
The Nets have had great marketing, have had two Hall of Famers, two teams that made the NBA Finals and NEVER had attendance in the top 20.
Please. There are no more excuses. Time for the Nets to move.
by Net Income on Feb 7, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Getting a superstar in the off-season and moving to Newark would have been a nice combination. We would not be first in attendance, but I doubt we would be dead last in support if we nabbed any of those stars. It would have only helped the brand moving forward to Brooklyn.
Though, getting a star in the off season could have been too good a push for Newark basketball, which in turn could have eventually created another team in NJ, thus more competition in the NY market.
there is no reason to put a team in NJ
Most of the residents like the NY teams.
by nygiants1 on Feb 7, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's your theory on that?
The Nets used to draw very well (Top-5 actually!) in the early and mid ‘80s. That was somewhat expected however being that they had an exciting young team and played in what at the time was considered a state of the art building in a can’t miss locale.
(For any youngins reading this, I kid you not. There once was a time when the Meadowlands, whether it be the Football stadium, the race track or even the arena, was the only place to be when it came to local sports)
The Nets also prospered b/c the Knicks were pretty crappy during those years, and played in a building which, before the various facelifts, was showing its age. In fact they city itself was stuck in malaise and there was a time when the Knicks and Rangers were both looking to also play at the Meadowlands.
Anyway, Nets attendance dropped steeply in the late ‘80s just as the Knicks were coming back with Patrick Ewing and MSG was getting refurbished. As the Knicks, under Coach Pat Riley, got even better in the early ’90s and as the city as a whole began its celebrated turnaround, MSG regained top status. It’s never relinquished that status since.
BUT, it wasn’t quite over for the Meadowlands. After many down years, Coach Chuck Daly and new stars like Coleman, Anderson and Petrovic made them a legitimate alternative to Pat Riley’s Knicks. Even after Petro’s death, after Daly’s first retirement, after the Swamp Dragons, after the many Coleman/Anderson fiascos, after all the other “Trade Me” cancers wore out their welcome, even after the canned crowd noise embarrassment, attendance still wasn’t too bad. Fans stuck around through all the garbage of the mid ’90s and were rewarded with a surprisingly good, revamped team for the 1998 season.
That team, like so many previous Net ones never got back on track. It would take yet another house cleaning and Jason Kidd before the team finally got it right. But my question is, why didn’t the fans ever come back?
How could they put up with Whoopty-Damn-Doo and not sell out the NBA Finals?
How did attendance numbers stay reasonably “OK” during the Benoit Benjamin era, but not the J-Kidd one?
How in the world could attendance be better in 1996 than 2003? The numbers below makes ZERO sense:
http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/year/1996
http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2003
Of course I don’t expect big numbers now. Being last today is no surprise. Being close to the bottom post-Big 3 should come as a shock to no one. But what I’d like to know is what made the fans give up for good after 1998? What kept them out even during the team’s most successful era ever in Jersey? Even with the Nets sporting a far superior product to the Knicks? How is it that fans who were there during other bad stretches, never came back to experience the good times of the early and mid ’00s?
Anyone have any theories as to why the fan base imploded after 1998? I can post numbers but can’t come up with any reasons as to why a mediocre fan base turned into an awful one just as the team finally began to prosper. I’m sure Marbury (just before the Kidd era) didn’t help, but there has to be bigger reasons. ANYONE?
PS: Ironically, the comical reign of the “Secaucus 7” came to an end in 1998. Lewis Katz and especially Ray Chambers (with a long history of philanthropy inside Jersey’s poorer communities) took over with the promise of reaching out to fans in a never seen before way. They later merged their Nets non-profit into YankeeNets and had the money to compete with any other sports empire of the time. So what went wrong? How did more accountable owners, more caring owners, richer owners, and later, a better product lead to attendance going down?
PPS: The drop in attendance begins 6 years before Bruce Ratner bought the team, so lets not put ANY blame there.
Opulence, I has it.
by J-Sal on Feb 7, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 10 recs
some interesting stuff
don’t have an answer. The NBA did lose some of the shine in the post-Jordan era, but that could only be a very small part.
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
you should make this a fanpost.
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
Thanks for the very nice words!
I’m actually wasting time at work now but when I get back home I’ll do just that. That lack of shine post-Jordan theory is a good one. Hope I can get others!
Opulence, I has it.
My guess would be apathy
When they’ve been as bad as they were it’s hard to care. Mr. DB said it best. After years of sucking and not being able to watch the team(you had to pay for SportsChannel back in the day ON TOP of your cable bill) fans just gave up; by the time they became good it was too late.
Keep in mind tickets were cheaper back then. But they realize getting to the swamp 41 times a year without mass transit wasn’t worth it.
so we are the Expos?
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
Pretty simple. Long term success builds a dedicated fan base, and in the short term dunks bring fans. Specifically, players who can create their own shots and throw it down.
Chris Paul? Doesn’t draw.
Jason Kidd? Doesn’t draw.
Vince Carter? Draws.
Sad but true.
on the surface this doesnt make sense
because I guarantee you our team with Jason Kidd leading the fast break produced more dunks than most of the NBA
generational swing?
someone from the NY area who was 30 in 2005 and finally spending money on the NBA was 10 years old when Ewing broke out. All he’s known is fun Knicks teams and bad Nets ones.
I think the only two things that would’ve put NJ near the top of attendance at this point are multiple titles and/or a LeBron level, once-in-a-lifetime player.
this is a great post
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"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Anyway, Nets attendance dropped steeply in the late ‘80s just as the Knicks were coming back with Patrick Ewing and MSG was getting refurbished. As the Knicks, under Coach Pat Riley, got even better in the early ’90s and as the city as a whole began its celebrated turnaround, MSG regained top status. It’s never relinquished that status since.
This is where things started to go downhill imo for the fanbase. Most of my friends are Knick fans who grew up watching that team. I can count all of the Net fans that I know personally on one hand. By the time Jason kidd came to town, the Knicks had already developed a loyal fanbase in NJ.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I can count all the Nets fans I know personally
on no hands. Besides my immediate family at least. And I’ve lived in New Jersey my whole life.
BTW, although I rec'd you
Stop with the BS about them not selling out the finals. Both times were sold out, even the Spurs one where they reduced capacity.
What is there to watch?!
We don’t win and we don’t have a star. Highlight plays? Nope, we don’t have those either.
Please-Please-PLEASE keep Marco G in Jersey!
“Z_Z_Z” is right. The crowd, regardless of size, needs a European feel where those at the game are expected to make noise. Not be entertained by a clown who throws out t-shirts while pumping lame dance beats.
Allow the diehards, even if it’s just a small section as seen in Milwaukee be the spectacle, and the others will follow. What else is there to lose? Can’t get worse than last. Might as well try something to generate fan support.
Opulence, I has it.
This
I can’t stand that guy. The Nets preach about changing their image to that of respectability, yet the game atmosphere is that of a circus.
I guess they do it b/c a good majority of the crowd is comprised of families and people who could care less about the actual game. Another great indication that this team needs to get the hell out of NJ as fast as possible.
If we're last w/Marco G...
If we’re last while catering to the unenthusiastic family crowd looking for free t-shirts, why not try things by going the other way? With a “free year” to “play with” in Newark, why not see how things would look like by marketing to rowdy 20-somethings?
Opulence, I has it.
by J-Sal on Feb 7, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
I hate the family friendly T-SHIRT TIME! garbage
by Anthony Perez on Feb 7, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Not that our ratings are good BUT I don't trust the Nielsen system.
So it might be undervaluing Nets viewership.
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
i'm surprised that the Clippers are so low
with the manchild there, and a good young nucleus.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
I HIGHLY doubt I will get season tickets next year
but I will probably still attend a good majority of games. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever to shell out the cash for season tickets when the same seats can be had on stubhub for 90% off.
New Jersey doesn’t suppor this team. I thought the move to Newark with added mass transportation would increase attendance and it’s gone DOWN. A big reason for this is we still suck and have no marketable players, but anyone who argues this team would be better off in NJ than Brooklyn is nuts.
I guarantee you will be disappointed with Brooklyn attendance figures
Avery doesn't so much develop players as he just favors journeymen who take his crap.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
You don't know my expectations
so you can’t say that.
And it won’t be anywhere near as bad as the attendance we are seeing now.
If the team is still the same
and the Knicks are decent, you might want to retract your statement.
really?
how many Net fans live in Brooklyn?
If Carmelo goes to the Knicks, who in New York City will give a damn about the Nets?
Nets will find themselves in a similar position: in the middle of Knicks country, with no stars to sell the product.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
i personally know 10 ppl (7 of which are not net fans)
that will be season ticket holders….. thats quite impressive to me…
but on another note… when we went to the finals our attendance and ratings sucked…so wats the difference…
i will be (if not now, eventually)
and everyone in my family has said they’ll go to a few games every season in brooklyn.
I live in New York and my family is all knicks fans but they don’t have a problem rooting for the Nets if they’re good.
I already plan on getting my little nephew and cousin hooked. They both live in Brooklyn.
Gee
I wonder why Lebron, Wade, Bosh, JJ, Amare, Boozer, and Carmelo Anthony didnt want to come here?
They said the Rock would be the savior! What happened!?
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Team continuing to suck
and being anti-Jersey is what happened.
by Marv95 on Feb 7, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Can some of the "keep the Nets in Jersey" people stand up?
Well, their band leader here was banned. But having said that, I do find it peculiar that some people say we need a marketable star for Brooklyn or else the Brooklyn sojourn is doomed to fail. If that’s the case, why is the team moving there to begin with? Why not move to a more stable market that isn’t so dependent upon make or break predicaments? Yet I understand why, because their real motivation is to vault from a minor team to a major team on par with the Lakers, Knicks, etc., and that’s why they clamor for a quick fix “star” player. It’ll make the transition happen quicker. We’ll see if it works out — their attempt to transition from a minor to a major. But my point is, if they try to be a major but fail, they’ll be worse off than to be content to be a successful minor ala the Thunder.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Be better for them in the long run
Not many teams to compete with, bigger chance to cultivate a fanbase, basketball city, etc.
Yes, Kansas City
Had they moved there, would they be is such dire need for a marketable star? Or would the cheaper apartment rent, so to speak, have bided enough time for the organization to build up the team organically rather than to clamor so fervently for a marketable star as they are now? I don’t know — I’m just asking.
The counterargument is that the Nets might want a star, but at least their actions demonstrate they are not putting everything on the line to get one. Prokhorov did pull out of the Melo sweepstakes prematurely (technically speaking), which one could point to as proof that they are not purely desperate for a star (even though the fans have been told otherwise).
I’m just assessing the risk/reward. Move to Brooklyn where the apartment rent is higher than in Kansas City, thus necessitating acquiring a marketable star so as to be able to pay the rent. Or move to Kansas City where the rent is cheaper and you therefore don’t have to get a quick fix star and you can build the team organically, the less risky way, more assured way.
Me personally, I have nothing invested in the team’s location. I will be a fan no matter where they play. To me, that’s the epitome of being a fan rather than an onlooker or whatever term of art one could to attribute to the latter.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
great post
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
The shocking thing here is not the Nets numbers, but the Clippers numbers. I am moving to LA shortly, and lemmy tell you, I wont be going to any Lakers games, I will be going to as many Clippers games as I can.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Tim
you must have a thing for ugly chicks and second rate franchises if you prefer the Nets over Knicks and Clippers over Lakers.
by nygiants1 on Feb 7, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
its not about rooting for the ugly chick
its about not rooting for the Galactic Empire that always wins. what’s enjoyable about that?
I don't know why its surprising
considering the Lakers are the NBA’s marquee franchise that’s won 16 titles including back 2 back the past 2 years.
Just because the Clippers now have a star player doesn’t mean a giant fan base will just magically appear.
Simmons laid out how the Clippers can turn everything around and I don’t think he’s that far off.
The Token Black-Jew
he's forgetting one thing
well not forgetting, ignoring.
their owner is crap.
Part of me wonders if Donald Sterling is actually Omar — he’s on his own, nobody wants to be associated with him, nobody can get rid of him no matter how hard they try, and he robs from the rich (the other NBA owners who stupidly allowed someone to put a second team in L.A., then charge L.A. prices for tickets while putting out a cheap product and raking in all the ancillary revenue). And like Omar with Marlo, Sterling is Blake’s biggest threat: He can singlehandedly derail Blake’s chances to be The Man.
The Token Black-Jew
omar little and marlo stanfield from the greatest tv show ever
also sterling is a complete tool that will only let this team succeed if everyone is cheap. deandre jordan will expire this year and i doubt if he shells out a 5 yr/ 30 mil deal for him. clippers have thrown away so much talent in their entire history its disgusting. if sterling is for real he will keep deandre and eric and build around them and blake and ship kaman for something and find a replacement for baron ASAP
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
here's a quick summary mainly in chronilogical order
bob mcadoo
moses malone
world b free
andre miller
lamar odom
keyon dooling
bobby simmons
sam cassell
quinton ross
aaron williams
elton brand
zach randolph
marcus camby
travis outlaw
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
bob mcadoo and moses malone and world b free were bad ones
and lamar was a nice player but all the other ones are replaceable
i was joking with the guys inbetween odom and brand and then outlaw
becasue all those guys have spent some time on the nets and only two were actually great to watch(dooling and cassell)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
As long as Donald Sterling is their owner
they aren’t going to be turning anything around.
Griffin will bounce out of there the second he’s a FA.
The Clippers are actually competitive, and they have the most exciting player in basketball that gives you multiple top 10 above the rim plays every single game. Sign me up man. Forget Kobe and his old man skills.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
All my friends here are watching Clippers games just for some excitement, I am surprised it isnt happening in their own backyard yet.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Going to Clipper games
is fun and exciting…but going to Laker games is apparently viewed as a giant VIP party.
Girls get dressed up, tickets are super expensive, and the place is jam packed with celebrities. The Lakers just have a stranglehold on LA and with the Clippers history, that’s hard to break.
But for the Clippers WITH Griffin to be 2nd to last!? Maybe its a local thing where they all know of the treachery the owner brings.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Southern Cal is and probably will always be 85% laker fans to even talk about the clippers seriously is a good way to get an LA citizen to laugh
The clippers would have to win like the nets did for about the same 7 year period and dominate the lakers like the nets did the Knicks in order to be remotely known and even if that was to happen they are still almost 20 championships away from being a 50-50 split with the lakers Smh their best bet is to move just like the nets are doing… At least the Knicks don’t have the rings and with most new yorkers being fair weather fans(atleast most of the ones I grew up with) they will go with the winner so it’s not as hard to win over people but the nets have to be a winning team sooner than later by time they get to bk….
Disclaimer: this is just my findings from being in LA and having plenty of people out there so yeah other than the Lakers you got USC as far as as what they pay attention to…
by boogeewon on Feb 7, 2011 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah the clippers have to dominate with griffin and actually start owning the lakers in playoff races
but by the time they get that good sterling will have jacked up the prices to insane amounts and give caucasians priority over all non-caucasians
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I am moving to LA shortly, and lemmy tell you, I wont be going to any Lakers games, I will be going to as many Clippers games as I can.
Well, it’s the same arena. I used to live in L.A. The Clippers are the little brother to the Lakers, and they don’t have many fans. Luckily, L.A. is not too intense a town, so the inferiority complex is not too great there, nor is it to daunting to overcome. But bottom line is that almost nobody pays attention to the Clippers.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
It's come to the point where I think Brook Lopez
Might be the least marketable “best player on a team” in the league. He has basically no endorsements. He does not make appearances in any forms of entertainment.
Now I’m not saying “a player doesn’t have endorsements…FINISH HIM!” but if we want to carry on up to the next level we can’t have 5 story posters of Brook Lopez draped over a skyscraper in Newark. The guy just isn’t that appealing. Mix his on court whining with his off-court invisibility (except when Ryan Anderson was around) and you have a player who has no business being the face of any franchise.
We shouldn’t expect him to have to. Hes not that type of player. Just like I think Devin is a compliment, not a captain. We need to acquire our main man, not force players to be.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
exactly....
and though many people here believe that will come out of the draft…i seriously doubt it. We may get talent out of the draft, but we need a leader, no rookie is going to come in here and be a leader. John Wall is talent, is he a leader? Maybe down the road. The reason the knicks got so lucky with Amare, for now, is because they received a ferocious player who IS a leader. We need someone established. Or this “wait till the draft” time line keeps on getting extended.
Irving can be a leader IMO.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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Yes.
He came into a Duke team full of veterans and became the undisputed leader.
Kyle Singler, one of the most accomplished college players in the country, immediately deferred to him.
Irving is one of those few players that has that intangible quality of leadership.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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ok then next question
willing to put your eggs in that 25% basket. My neck cricks when i think of the 2010 draft and how that set the tone for this pathetic season.
Better than putting my eggs in the 19.9% basket or the 15.6% basket etc.
The only established players who are worth a damn as leaders don’t even become FA’s until next off-season.
We need a guy like Irving.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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i want to agree
but do you understand the hesitation? We need a guy like John Wall, we need a guy like Irving…we need a lot of things. We need a commitment. To be honest i’d like to see a big established name commit to us, i just don’t see it happening, and it becomes frustrating. How can you sell me on our team being great, when we have no one great, or no one on the horizon. If we don’t get the #1 pick, then what happens? PG also isn’t where we need our help.
Then we just add another piece. We may not get that leader, but we'll get someone who can help us.
Also, we have to take BPA. Just because Irving is a PG, doesn’t mean we can pass up on him.
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Well first off, Brook Lopez isn’t the Nets best player. Second, I think Brook Lopez can really appeal to kids because he has a goofy personality and is actually kind of funny in an introverted kind of way. He needs to let loose a little and show his personality, but he won’t appeal to people like me and the general public.
The Nets need to market Stephen Graham.
The Token Black-Jew
Well, fine, then you're contending that Devin Harris is our best player?
If getting crossed over by a British street baller is your most visible off-court appearance (besides delivering Dominoes with Sly) then you have a problem.
Yes Lopez is goofy and seems like he has a sense of humor, but then what do we have? A center who only appeals to kids?!? What is that about? Don’t say ‘well Shaq appeals to kids’. Shaq appeals to everyone.
Well Devin is arguably our best player this year
And yes, I think it’s been determined long ago that we have a problem. Our best player, whether Brook or Devin would only be at best, the 3rd best guy on a championship team
Terrence Williams had the star-quality that the Nets needed. I’m not saying that he’s capable of being the number-one option on a winning-team, but he has the personality to be the face of a team and bring interest from the general public. He’s also an extremely entertaining player, something that the Nets severely lack.
It’s getting kind of ridiculous the amount that I harp on T-Will, but I really think that trading him will prove to be a grave mistake.
(Don’t bring up that he’s not getting burn in Houston, I’m well aware)
The Token Black-Jew
We traded away a lot of personality between Carter, Jefferson, and Kidd
And from last year we jettisoned our three largest personalities in CDR, Keyon Dooling, and the aforementioned Tee-heeWill
TWill, the extremely talented guy that can't crack a rotation after 2 months
He’s basically managed to replicate his rookie year by wasting his 3-4 months of the season
You have a point...'jena se qua'
T-Will still packs them in anytime he is in Louisville for an appearance. He is still an all time favorite.
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
TWill
I don’t think he has any more “star power” as a pro than his boy Nate Robinson. Sure he’s a exciting little guy to have that kinda distracted Knicks fans from how bad they were. Dunking on centers, scoring 40 points from time to time, hitting game winners. In the end though, his ceiling was exactly what he’s got going in Boston. The first guard off the bench for a contender, backing up an all-star. As much as Knicks fans still love Nate, I don’t think any of them are really heartbroken that he’s gone. It wasn’t working in New York. It is what it is.
Basically this is just my way of telling Nets fans that they need to get the hell over it. We traded a guy who isn’t yet ready to steal minutes away from Courtney Lee and Chase Budinger. It is what it is.
Terrence Williams had the star-quality that the Nets needed.
Star quality doesn’t shy away from contact when going to the basket in real games, but straining his abs trying to dunk on teammates in practice.
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by MrDollarBills on Feb 8, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Brook appeals to me too
cause he’s a huge dork, and that’s not something you find often in a “best player” in pro sports. kind of like how Bill Walton was a huge hippy. but I don’t expect this to appeal to most people, I just happen to be a bit of a dork myself, so I can relate.
what are you talking about
he’s doing that guest spot on the Disney Channel during all-star weekend!
When will some of you anti-NJ marks realize
that the team SUCKS. Not only do they SUCK, they are a lame-duck franchise who made their intentions of moving known years ago.. Why should Jerseyans waste their time and money on a terrible product who spits in our face almost any chance they get? Removing “New Jersey” from the court ticked people off. They’re the Clippers east; no they’re worse than that. The folks who do show up like basketball, just not the product(hence the reason for cheering the opposing teams).
That said, if the team still had VC or Kidd and was in the middle of the playoff pack, there’s no way they’d be last in attendance or ratings.
So how is it that even at the peak of the recent Nets, during their trips to the Finals, they were in the bottom 10 in attendance?
There’s no way they’d be last, but they’d still be pretty low
Okay. If you honestly think
if the team went to the Finals last year, was committed to the Rock and NJ instead of Brooklyn and STILL be in the bottom 10 in attendance, you’re kidding yourself.
they didnt suck in 2001-02 or 2002-03`
and they finished 26 out of 30 and then 23 out of 30.
END of story.
Again, read my post further up
in response to J-Sal.
The team had failing attendance WAYYYYY before the team announced it was moving. Also a lot of fans were oblivious to the move even after Ratner bought the team. I remember being at a game with my dad in the 2004-2005 season and I said to my dad “Yeah there going to move soon to Brooklyn possibly.” And two guys behind me and one in front said “What? Who said this?” Most fans were so fair weathered they could care less about what happened off the court. We had 2 finals teams and no one showed up…what better product did they have to put on the floor. I’m kind of glad we didn’t win the title. Nothing more depressing than 200 fans in the Continental Airlines Arena parking lot celebrating.
by Christopher Manchesi on Feb 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions
So, I guess the argument that Newark would change things is false and I guess the argument that Proko and Avery would change things is false. I guess NJ just can’t support a team. Period. Brooklyn can’t come soon enough. Also, I do not think that Brook would get endorsements in any market. He is not the type. Sasha and Hump should be getting more. This hurts us for FA’s and even for trades for players like Melo. It ain’t happening until Brooklyn or even until after Brooklyn….. Look, as far as YES goes, I try to watch, but they are so bad when they play like they did Yesterday. Who can watch that crap?
I wonder...
…how often there are more people watching the game IN THE ARENA – than there are watching from home.
I'm actually kind of surprised by this.
I’ve been to 5 or 6 games this year and, compared to the IZOD center, I never got that empty stadium feeling like the past couple years. Maybe it’s the smaller stadium size, but I didn’t expect us to be last to be honest.
22,000 people watch Nets games in New York
there are four teams with fewer viewers, but they are in much smaller markets and include the Thunder.
wish i lived in the area
instead i have to wake up early to watch nets games, and that’s if it’s even going to show on tv :|
This is what happened...
During the Nets eastern conference championship years, the Knicks were not too far removed from an NBA finals appearance. Therefore, Knicks fans stood loyal.. not too many went to go support the Nets. However as the Knicks continued to suck last decade, you would see more Nets fans at games. It also didnt hurt that the Nets acquired a very marketable player with a pretty big fan base in Vince Carter. At that point you saw the numbers climb, more towards the middle of the pack. If the product was actually good and the Nets had a VC-in-his-prime-caliber player (ahem Carmelo), then you would see people going to games. Why would I go see the Nets get owned by the Pacers on Super Bowl Sunday? I don’t blame Nets fans for not going to games.
by nazem275 on Feb 7, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
this
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by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see how the Thunder are going to remain a viable franchise
They have an average home attendance of 18,130 and average 19,000 TV viewers. AND THEY ARE REALLY GOOD!
The Nets have 12,868 at the home games and 22,000 watching on TV. And they suck.
They never should’ve left Seattle.
by Netted on Feb 7, 2011 1:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They should move to a bigger market...
Newark Thunder sounds nice…or NJ Thunder.
I’m sure NJ would support this team, especially if they win and embrace/represented the state of NJ. Also, they are actually a team worth watching unlike Outlol and the Nets.
There arent
a lot of Net fans who live in NY and NJ. There certainly is not a lot of Net fans outside of those states.
what do you mean "a lot"
every team has fans beyond their city but I highly doubt NJ has any more than the average team.
All I'm saying
Is don’t use population as an argument for why the Nets can’t draw.. There are about 4 million people living in Northern NJ, I really don’t think thats the issue. Hopefully the accessibility of a Brooklyn arena or the cachet that accompanies playing in New York will result in more fans.
ADMIT IT - IT'S VERY HARD TO WATCH
that your team is loosing and that your leaders are playing without efforts.
I’m very disappointed with Brook for not bringing his best game every night.
I’m disappointed too with Avery, for not adjusting to games. I think LFrank is better than him in adjustments.
I’m starting to like Devin (trying to be a playmaker), but I think Morrow is more of a leader type than him.
I’m ok with Humph and DFavors – they’re doing what they’re supposed to do.
I’m a bit upset with Outlaw – only because he cannot make shots – but this can be blamed to the coaching staff too.. maybe he can’t play SF (as he stated, he is not used to moving a lot).
Winning games against the likes of Bucks, Pacers, Atlanta, Toronto and Pistons should be fun to watch, but now it’s giving me heart break.
He is not used to moving a lot??
I wouldn’t make excuses for this guy.
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Posted this a little farther up but I think it will answer a lot of people’s questions..
Long term success builds a dedicated fan base, and in the short term dunks bring fans. Specifically, players who can create their own shots and throw it down.
Chris Paul? Doesn’t draw.
Jason Kidd? Doesn’t draw.
Vince Carter? Draws.
Sad but true.
Chris Paul, LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin? draw.
Vince Carter? NO.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 7, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
so dunking
over alonzo mourning didnt draw? or after he jumped over the 7 footer Wies nobody wanted to see him play?
Vince Carter is arguably the greatest dunker of all time who always had an amazing array of individual highlight plays over all his years as a player along with his scoring witch made sure that the nets were in almost every game at the end and he consistently won games for the nets.
How does that not draw
by Pierce Langlois on Feb 7, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
You’re completely wrong. The hornets are near the bottom in attendance, and when the nets picked up Vince more fans came out than they ever did in 2003. Today’s NBA is different from the NBA of the 90s, people only care about jams and circus shots now
by mytoemytoe on Feb 8, 2011 9:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm..i wonder why this is so?
Could it be as simple as the following:
1. The team sucks
2. Lame duck team while in NJ
3. The team sucks
4. Many NJ fans turned off by the potential move to Brooklyn
5. Oh yeah and the team sucks
It doesn't explain why attendance was so low during the Kidd-era
It may explain what’s going on now but the real question is why are the numbers crappy post-1996.
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They were building something during that kidd-era though.
I never saw so many people wearing NJ gear pre-kidd-era as they were during. Thing is, during that era as well, the team was sold to an owner that had his mind set on moving them to NY.
Nets took out anything that represented NJ off the uniform and court. Believe it or not, some people who live in NJ do have some pride in their state and many stopped rooting for the team because of this.
Now, where are all the new Brooklyn Nets fans at? Why don’t they come down to NJ and support there future team? I think the Nets will have decent attendance once they move to Brooklyn, however they will never be the NY Knicks and I don’t see many fans switching allegiance. Who knows though…we will see come 2012-13 season.
Now, where are all the new Brooklyn Nets fans at?
No one will answer this question.
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by MrDollarBills on Feb 7, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Are there any "Brooklyn" Nets fans?
Last time I checked Brooklyn was pretty much Knicks territory. At least with Newark the franchise had a chance to get further south from the city than the Izod Center. The arena was never given a chance. I cannot see why everyone thinks Brooklyn will draw more complete waste of $1 billion or whatever it is. I have heard more people in BK against the move due to the fact there are more important needs than a pro sports team.
by jerseynets4456 on Feb 7, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have been asking that same question
I dobut that anyone will convert to the Nets the moment they move. Bill Simmons spoke the truth when he mentioned that NYC has had generations of Knicks fans. If any do convert, it will most likely be a small number. If they are really claiming to be Nets fans, then why haven’t they made the trip to where the Nets are playing right now? Come to think of it, I don’t think much of Brooklyn was rooting for the Nets when they made the NBA Finals. If they weren’t rooting for the Nets then, they will not be rooting for them now. I won’t argue with your claim that most of the borough hasn’t been for the Nets comming, and I have met with the opposition myself, not to mention going to numerous events involving this project that I know nobody here, not even Net Income, will ever go to.
by Tal Barzilai on Feb 7, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Simmons is referencing attendance figures from 1999 when he says that. If he referenced attendance from 2009, he would be saying that the ONLY LOCAL team the city cares about is the YANKEES!
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 8, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously think Brooklyn opening will be a bomb
there are NO Brooklyn Nets fans. Ok, maybe 100, but no more.
Avery doesn't so much develop players as he just favors journeymen who take his crap.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
I understand the reason for moving
but there is a mass delusion going on where people assume that once the Nets get to the Barclays, attendance will sky rocket
It’s a bunch of lies and hogwash. If the Nets were going to be an instant draw like that, they wouldn’t be so desperate to get a known star player on board before the move.
When Anthony is playing on the knicks, selling out MSG every night while the Nets, still rebuilding, are struggling to get a bunch of new yorkers who are born and raised KNICK FANS to come see the young Nets, some people will look really stupid
what will the excuse be then? instead of blaming NJ fans all the time, blame the Nets for being a franchise that has a tradition of losing. There is a reason why there are more Knick fans than Net fans in this state. Brooklyn, NY, will not change that fact. If the Nets are unable to build a team with enough steam to garner national attention, this will be a disaster, and Prokhorov knows this(which is why he went so hard after Anthony despite Denver and Anthony’s games).
There is a reason why there is apathy in this state, and thinking that going to New York, a market that does not give a damn about the Nets, and the radio coverage is reflective of that, will change things is laughable.
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by MrDollarBills on Feb 8, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is all a product of being a sub-market
NJ is a sub-market of NYC and Philly. Same thing is going to happen if the team is called Brooklyn Nets. Brooklyn is a sub-market.
Mets and Yankees both survive in the market. Jets and Giants both survive in the market. Why? All are NY teams. People in Queens and Westchester are not going to root for a Brooklyn team. They’ll root for the team that represents them… that’s the one with NY in it. People in Northern NJ will mostly root the Knicks (if they aren’t already)… they are used to rooting for NY teams and feel the proximity to NYC justifies it.
In fact... they should just
change the name to New York Nets starting next year. They can still play in Newark until Bk is ready… Giants and Jets do it.
Should’ve done it this season. All the negative Melo talk about playing in Jersey would sound pretty foolish when talking about the New York Nets.
Something tells me this whole naming thing is all going to go down in history as the biggest mistake the new ownership has made. Eclipsing the time they left lame duck Thorn guiding the team during the biggest free agency class in league history. I wouldn’t be surprised if Yormark is behind the Brooklyn name.
I think the "Brooklyn" name is a bit overrated...
I mean seriously, does anyone outside Brooklyn really care for it? I know I don’t. Nets should be named NY whatever, if they want more fan support from NY’ers once they move.
Lol. There was an entire story on Channel 7 news about how popular it is.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=7936480
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Wake me when it's on national news not local
It’s a cute trendy name. Great for hawking T-shirts and beer. Sucks for marketing a professional basketball team to an entire region.
Like I said, it’s a sub-market. When you want a global team you don’t name yourself after an area with in a a major market. You name yourself after the major market.
For every hat or t-shirt that says “Brooklyn” on it there are millions more that say “New York”.
If it has pull in places like Japan, how is that not global?
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I didn't say the name wasn't used around the world
it’s just not used as much as New York. New York is used a million times more… it’s not even close. “Brooklyn” is niche.
if i was prokhorov i would bring some basketball fans or even football fans over from europe, guys from greece, serbia or turkey who know how to make some serious noise,let them go to the games for free to fill the empty seats, let them be REALLY loud and create an atmosphere of fear for the opposing team even let them sing the songs from the teams they support in europe, it doesn’t matter. just make the other teams star and the refs believe that they might not leave the arena alive, if the nets lose the game, create some serious home court advantage…
here we go again ... we know
How bad the nets are there is no need to keep re-emphasizing on how much we suck ! WE GET IT!
SO MUCH FOR GOING AFTER HIS NECK!
by Mike28Live on Feb 7, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
here we go again ... we know
How bad the nets are there is no need to keep re-emphasizing on how much we suck ! WE GET IT!
SO MUCH FOR GOING AFTER HIS NECK!
by Mike28Live on Feb 7, 2011 3:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Losing seasons are the real reason
Do you really think that the location of the arena was the reason why the Nets had such low attendane? Keep in mind that the Pistons are playing in an arena that is not even in Detroit itself, they are in Aurburn Hills over at the Palace, and they had a lot of attendance despite that, though Detroit is auto centric to begin with. Also, the Lakers had sellouts when they were playing in the Great Western Forum in the LA suburb of Inglewood, and that doesn’t have any transit either. BTW, the United Center, where the Bulls play doesn’t have any lines of transit unlike Wrigley (Cubs) and US Cellular Fields (White Sox) do, but they still had high attendance especially in the 1990’s when the Bulls won all their championships. The reason I mentioned all of this is because despite the locations of those arenas, they were able to draw a lot because of their winning seasons. If the Nets had more winning seasons, they would have more fans. Unfortunately, that wasn’t the case for the Nets, and the same can go for the Clippers, T’Wolves, Wizards, Bobcats, Raptors, Kings, and Warriors all because they hardly had any winning seasons, which is why most don’t want to go to see a loosing team. Of course, I consider those people to be bandwagoners and not real fans, who will go to games and cheer for their teams no matter what like I do. On a side note, I felt like one of the few people on Sunday who was actually cheering for the Nets despite losing badly to the Pacers that day.
Can't compare the Nets
to franchises with multiple NBA championships with established legacies when you talk about locations. A better comparison would be the Kings when they had that sellout streak going. But staying in Arco for too long has come back to bite them.
BTW, the Pistons are looking to move to downtown Detroit near the People Mover, and the United Center has 2 subway stations within a 10 minute walk with bus service next to it.
this may also be a problem
going from this:
to this:
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 7, 2011 9:55 PM EST reply actions
Brook looks so zoned out there.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Want to know when you can see draft lottery prospects on TV? Go to this post: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/1/21/1948224/top-2011-draft-lottery-prospects-in-nationally-televised-ncaa-games **UPDATED With recent game stats on 1/27/11**
this
Blue reminds me of good times… red reminds me of misery
by sheepareevil on Feb 7, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
red for bloody mess
Avery doesn't so much develop players as he just favors journeymen who take his crap.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
If losing was the issues fans would have come out in 2003!! The only guys that draw well in smaller markets (yes, it’s a smaller market because it’s not in the middle of an affluent city) are STARS that dunk, so no, no one cared that much about going to a Nets game to see Kenyon Martin run the floor.
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