NetsDaily Screed: D-Will & the Nets
by Net Income on Feb 27, 2011 4:40 PM EST
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PrintWe've tried so hard to control ourselves since Wednesday, not from exploding with joy, but from exploding with anger when reading and listening to the punditry about how the Nets couldn't possibly re-sign a player gifted to them at the deadline. Avery Johnson said it, "Don't muddy our waters, our celebration."
So screw 'em all! After an extra dose of blood pressure medicine, we decided to write something and here it is...
We've been staring at our computer, pecking at our blackberry, scrolling on our iPad the last few days trying to figure out why so many of the pundits think Deron Williams will never make it to Brooklyn. Chad Ford thinks he will be a great complement to Blake Griffin in L.A. Every Knick fan and most of their writers (aka the Knickettes) believe it will be great to have Williams in the metro area since he won't have to move when he signs with the Knicks! Chris Sheridan wrote in a chat that the Nets had overpaid because of the possibility Williams would bolt. Scott Howard-Cooper of NBA.com called the Nets were the "trade deadline loser" because there was no way he would re-sign.
Virtually every story breathlessly reported that Williams told writers he wouldn't commit to the Nets. First of all, he couldn't. Negotiations between free agents and teams are prohibited until July 1. But gee, it would have been nice if he had said it was a possibility, maybe even a strong possibility, that he would stay. Probably too much to ask for...right?
Oh wait, he did say exactly that.
Here's his full quote from the press conference at the PNY Center Thursday: "I can’t really give any assurances, or say that I’ll be here [because] I don’t know what the future holds. I look forward to the possibility of it; it’s definitely a strong possibility. It all depends on how the next year goes – the CBA, the type of moves we make and the people we bring into this organization." (Emphasis un-apologetically added)
Missed that, I'll bet. Why? Because most of the sports writers decided to ignore it and/or focus on the enormous risk of giving away Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, two picks (one protected) and $3 million of Mikhail Prokhorov's cash hoard for arguably the best point guard in the game. Funny, we didn't see that much last July about how the Knicks were the only team offering Amare Stoudemire five years and $100 million despite three knee surgeries and a retinal surgery. Nothing much again when Donnie Walsh hinted the Knicks hadn't been able to get insurance on those knees, those eyes. Risk much? Only the franchise.
Williams also told the press conference he was "excited" and said he would take an active role in recruiting free agents. What else do people want? And he said all this before Prokhorov interrupted his heli-skiing vacation in British Columbia to fly to San Antonio just to say hi and watch his debut. We assume "The Most Interesting Man in the World" told Williams a variation of what he told Darren Rovell last weekend, "Any superstar player from our roster, or what can be traded (for), he will be the king of the world. The first really global basketball player." Trust us, he means it. There was not hint of a smile on his face. After all, he has invested a half billion dollars in the franchise.
Not everyone in the sports media bought into the conventional wisdom. Art Stapleton of the Record first drew our attention to the full quote in his column. John Schuhmann wrote a well-reasoned piece for NBA.com which asked "A better alternative would have been to ... what? Keep waiting?"
Bill Simmons imagined what Billy King might have said when his counterpart, Kevin O'Connor, agreed to the deal: "Really, you're giving us a top-three point guard for a lottery pick that hasn't done anything, a point guard who peaked two years ago and a couple of other picks? Done! Can we call it in right now? Let's call it in. No, we'll call it in! We got this! We're dialing right now…"
And Fred Kerber did some math for those Knick fans who are ordering up Williams jerseys in orange and blue.
"The Nets may find an enormous ally in a new collective bargaining agreement. After next season, when he will make $16.35 million, Williams can opt out of his final year, (2012-13) when he is due for $17.77 million. It can be Carmelo Anthony all over again...But a new CBA, with owners and the league seeking greater fiscal restraints and lesser contract lengths, could make $17 million irresistible. The current CBA expires June 30 and Williams can sign an extension July 18." He could have also written the new CBA will make it virtually impossible for the Knicks to sign him.
Indeed, beyond being the King of the World, as Prokhorov calls it, there are other benefits to succeeding in "the concrete jungle where dreams are made of"...to borrow a particularly apt phrase from another member of the Nets' ownership. He will be the face of the franchise in a brand-new "billion dollar arena" in the biggest sports market in the world. Don't think that means much to someone who was last seen as the franchise player in the smallest market in the NBA? Think again. It can change basketball's perception of you.
Back in 2002, when Gary Sussman was escorting Jason Kidd to a Sports Illustrated cover shoot in Manhattan, he asked Kidd when was the last time he had received such media attention. Kidd, always economical with words, replied, "Never". It mattered then, it matters now.
Enough, we guess. The blood pressure medicine is wearing off as patience wears thin. Let's simply end it this way: See you at the game!
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Yup.
The media is terrible. Especially ESPN.
great piece, NI, as always
i will remain optimistic for the future… i really hope this FO is prepared to do anything possible to keep Deron and bring in others…
do you think it has dawned on Brook that his days here may be numbered? he was OUR GUY and now Deron clearly has taken his place as the franchise player. could this light a fire under brook, or make him go the way of devin and derrick, where it was obvious that the impending trades affected their on-court performance?
excellent article, NI
ny area media needs to read this
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 27, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
About Time
It’s about time someone wrote something positive about the Nets getting Deron Williams. If i have to hear one more knick fan talking about how the Nets have zero chance of resigning D-Will…i’m going to lock them in a room and make them watch jason collins “highlights” until the cry!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That highlight reel must last like 30 seconds, if that…over like a 7 year career!
by xs0ng on Feb 27, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
here are his highlights
by lazydude223 on Feb 27, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still remember this 1 game
The nets were blowing out the suns bad in Jersey and Jason Collins decided to pop a 3 cuz he was wide open and it went in. I was hysterically laughing for a good minute
Nets for the ship!
I was just thinking about that, haha.
I also remember a game where he took a jumpshot and knocked it down. It was the first time he did it in a while, and they showed the replay multiple times. Ian Eagle was expressing his shock at the shot being made and Mark Jackson was like, “that’s not nice.”
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So technically he is here for the rest of this season + 2 MORE seasons?
Sweet. I don’t see him leaving either but we really need to get help to be a playoffs team next year.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
We need to get rid of OutLOL
DH12 OR BUST!
if he picks up the player option, he has two full years as a net
i’m hoping for the 5 to 7 year range personally
Let's hope he stays for at least 5 years
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
We need to get rid of OutLOL
DH12 OR BUST!
lets say the owner's get what they want....
and the max contract length is 3 years (as i have heard…)
he plays through 2011-2012, agrees to the player option for 2012-2012 (first year in BK) and signs a 3-year extension…. that would make him our starting PG through the 2015-1016 season. THIS i can deal with.
By the way,...
he can’t sign an extension until next year. He can only opt-out after the ‘11-’12 season. Given that he didn’t know he was going to be traded until the morning of the trade, there is no way anyone can expect him to commit to any team without taking his time to evaluate his options. He hadn’t committed to the JAZZ, for goodness’s sake! To take his statement to mean the Nets have no chance to re-sign him is the height of lazy thinking. I suppose this is why I appreciate someone like Al Ianozzone and his responsible, thoughtful reporting. Go NETS!
Right, but...
if you had the opportunity to preserve your options, wouldn’t you? We have to remember that he is also in business for himself.
right
and his final year ($17 mill) won’t be available if he opts out and goes elsewhere, because that year would be under the new CBA, and more than likely, a lot less than that
Which goes to my larger point argued in other posts...
I give him less than a 10% chance of opting out of his contract and not picking up his player option. There likely is no better option under the new CBA and picking up that option will be his best BUSINESS decision, even if the Nets are not exactly where we and he would want them to be. Yet, the indicators are in place that the team will do all it can to bring as many great players and as high a level of talent as they can to play alongside Deron. I would be surprised if any smart business person said he would commit to the situation Deron found himself in this past Wednesday morning. I would not have committed. Think about CC Sabathia’s decision to possibly exercise his opt-out clause. It’s smart business, nothing more, nothing less.
business is not just about a one year pay amount. It’s about long term security. If he thinks he can have a long term contract with a championship level team, he’ll opt out even if the per year is not the same.
thats an assumption you can't make
we don’t know what matters more to any player, the money or the ring. the ring is never guaranteed, so i can understand why most guys go for the money before the “winning team”
anymore than you can decide that a one year option amount overrides a length of contract with chance at greatness opportunity.
But not opting out is just a one year answer. Players ever have an eye on security too.
considering he will already have 2+ years under his belt as a Net
and the max contract could be 3 years, long term holds a different definition.
you think players don’t look around the league and size up the field? these guys know who the contenders are. they know who they’ll have to go through to get the chip.
if deron is sitting here, weighing the pro’s and cons between guaranteed max money and the likelihood of any team beating the heat, celtics, and bulls in the east to then play in the finals, which do you think he’s leaning towards. would any player in their right mind take a paycut to “contend” with the knicks?
I think honestly, after a year and a few months of
endless losing and hearing Avery whine and bark, he’ll want out.
Remember how good we all thought our FAs this summer were going to be?
how did they look?
Harris was a VERY good offensive player.
They now have LESS talent on their team elsewhere.
Did you watch the games? The offense looked a lot better, defense was the problem.
The Token Black-Jew
They made the trade for Williams in the hope that he would attract others to the franchise.
The team will be vastly different next year.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
"in the hope" not the fact
We thought this team was going to be “vastly different” this year.
Remember all the talk about Murphy?
just stop.
we’re two games in, and they haven’t played at home yet. i know where this is going, and no one wins this argument.
Just don't assume they that will start winning now that
they have a PG who can pass to the same talentless folks.
i'm not...
i’m saying don’t assume anything. the team was scoring well if deron’s getting 17 assists. they don’t give you assists unless your teammates score.
we just decided that we’d commit to making the offense work while disregarding defense.
you're a hater
just stop. 14 and 7 in Utah. Harris sucks. He is NOT a PG. stop saying his name.
…and just stop with the negativity. you’re skepticism is no more well-founded than our optimism.
by Kidd Shizzle on Feb 28, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
There is a big difference between 3 years and 5 years
guaranteed if it indeed is lowered.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
So what your saying is that he is going to retire if he stays for the 17 mil
Of course not. He isnt going to give that much money up. He will sign a new contract after he gets the max out of this one. He wont leave a penny on the table. Carmelo wouldnt have either. He wanted to be a Knick but he wanted that 65 million alot more. Even if it ment staying with Denver or signing with NJ.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 27, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
you're right.... carmelo's desire to get PAID
is why the knicks had to give up all that they did to trade for him. he was going to be a knick no matter what, if they only knew.
I wonder if the media changes it's tune when we are in Brooklyn
It’ll be hard to deny this organization it’s due when they are playing in New York City, in a billion dollar arena, with the richest owner in sports and at least one superstar — likely more.
by nynjlawyer on Feb 27, 2011 3:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
we gotta win games
nothing else matters at the end of the day. winning games can be a substitute for other short-comings of a franchise, but nothing can replace winning games
IMO
They have no choice to talk about us
I respect there decision not to talk about us because we play in jersey people jus got to live with that about, these clowns on wfan and 1050 excuse is we work in ny and we care only about ny so whenthe nets Go to Brooklyn there going to have to talk about like they do with Yankees/mets giants/jets
And imagine if we have dwill and Howard there diffently going to talk about the nets in Brooklyn
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, indeed!
You tell them where to get off the bus, NetIncome! There is a media bias against the Nets simply because they don’t operate out of MSG. Nevermind that the Knicks have been as inept as any franchise for the past ten years and only this year have a decent team. Jason Kidd’s Nets teams were the proof that the team could be successful. Mikhail Prokhorov’s Nets will win the Larry O’Brien tropy.
There's obvious risk
It’s wishful thinking as net fans that he will stay if we do not improve as a team.
Again, your reasoning is based on what?
Why would the Nets say and do everything they have done so far and then not improve? Prokhorov wouldn’t have bought the team to do nothing. He understands two things better than seemingly everyone else is wiling to give him credit for: 1) You have to spend money to make money; and 2) You have to take risks to get to the next level. The Deron Williams trade is a perfect example of both of these. The trade itself is a calculated risk due to the potential opt-out (less than 10% chance of occurring, by the way). Plus, Billy King has already told Deron what the team plans to do and Deron said he was “excited” and looking forward to “recruiting” other superstar players. Do you think Deron would have said there’s a “strong possibility” he will re-sign with the Nets if Billy told him the team was planning on not spending money and not making as many improvements as they reasonably could? Willful ignorance is a sign of a stunted and deluded mind intent on seeing only what it wants to see. The Nets have done what apparently many did not want them to do, improve noticeably and set themselves up to be a real force to be considered. Go NETS!
by T of NY on Feb 27, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bro ur right on with ur post
Non nets fans need to read this, this is 100% accurate
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have been a Net fan ever since the Chris Morris days,
Seen and heard enough. Sometimes it’s more than us fans hoping/wishing the team would do better. The bottom line is – if Nets doesn’t improve the TALENT on the roster and win a lot more games, Williams will bolt!
I agree completely,...
but let’s at least give the Nets the chance to put more talent around him. They got the first step done and have a bunch of complementary pieces along with salary cap, picks and tradeable expiring contracts. What team is better suited overall to attract high end talent? Only those teams that already have everything in place. 18 months from now the Nets are playing in the newest and BEST facility in the NBA in the greatest city on earth with the richest owner in sports and with arguably the best point guard in the game. There are a lot of superlatives in that sentence and all are attached to the Nets.
Netsfan right On
What haters and nets fans need to realize is
We put talent around dwill he will be here forever
We don’t put talent on the court with dwill he should leave
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
New CBA will help
Trust me – Stern will put a stop to this top player movement – I expect to see a franchise tag and also a huge advantage to sign with the home team – Cleveland went from a 800M franchise to 100M in an hour – not good for the league – I am very confident that D Will is a Net long term
i agree...
but cleveland became a big market in the Lebron Era… while i agree its important to keep big names and good teams in small markets, its better for the league for big market teams to be doing well. i think stern is keeping his fingers crossed that the knicks (and eventually us) become a better team in the future, because when NYC basketball is doing well, the NBA is
disagreed
maybe for ratings yea, but small market teams need to be competitive for them to get anybody to go. the Lakers and the Knicks will always have people going to their games, Minnesota and Indiana need to have a good team in place, which is impossible to maintain when players jetting to the big city is this frequent. plus it hurts the integrity and competitive balance of the sport, which while we may not see much negative effect now, if this continues it’ll hurt the league’s image and turn people off from the NBA the same way players like Marbury, Antoine Walker, etc. did in the early 00s.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
integrity and competitive balance?
how many different teams have won titles in the last 20 years?
i agree what you’re saying about it being good for those small markets to be competitive, but think its better for the league (financially) for big markets to be winning games.
the NBA has the worst competitive balance
i’m not disputing this. but i’m just saying, there at least needs to be small markets who are able to compete with the big market teams, otherwise fans in those small markets will lose hope and abandon the NBA, which wouldnt to be far-fetched a scenario in Cleveland, Denver, Utah and Orlando. at least in the 90s you had teams like Indiana, Portland and even Charlotte for a period that were relevant, now the only small market teams besides San Antonio (who will be on their way down, at some point at least) that is competitive is Oklahoma CIty. I just don’t think there’s been as big a disparity between the big and small market teams as there is now.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
What u got to understand is it could help us and screw us over
It helps us because we can franchise tag him
It can screw us because we might find another superstar to play with dwill
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we may not need the franchise tag
if we can put a semi-decent team around him… let alone if we can get d.howard
If Orlando has a franchise tag to play with, Howard is toast.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
*we might not find another superstar to play with dwill
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 4:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rec'd so hard.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
Really sucks to listen to radio when they all talk about knicks... has anyone from netdaily called any of the Homers out?
by kupalski on Feb 27, 2011 3:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bro what did you expect
Look we play in jersey nobody cares about jersey, these guys on the radio talk about yanks/mets giants/jets because there ny teams
IMO and I’ll be shocked when we go to Brooklyn there going to talk about us they no choice, there is no excuse that they stil are a jersey team
They play in Brooklyn which means they play in NY
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
*IMO il be shocked once were in Brooklyn they still don’t talk about us
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there have been a few
I dont listen to radio but a few people have come on here claiming to be the guy that just called them out. I bet they do a better job of screening Nets fans now though
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I hate the NY media
I read a NY DN article by Kristie Ackert that made want to vomit, I can’t believe the spin, really.
its frustrating to have to avoid 1050 ESPN because of the bias...
only to find the same garbage over at WFAN and thats our flagship station. it’d be comparable to these guys ripping the devils, mets, islanders and jets…. but they do it shamelessly
this is my favorite part
Williams rarely smiled Thursday. Unlike with Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks the day before, Williams said he would wait and see before committing to any future with the Nets.
Rec'd.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
my wife says the Nets have alot of cute players
the guy with the ears Farmar
The guy with Kim
The new guy is the “hottest”
why all the light skinned brothas get the love?
by DJ HeavyDuty on Feb 27, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Can't lie the 3r smile looked forced as hell hahaha
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
it's disgusting, it really is
the guy says re-signing is a strong possibility and the headline reads he hints he may walk, wow.
just the idea that the knicks are better off b/c melo agreed to something d-will didn't...
obviously Melo was agreeing to an extension… his hand forced everything that happened… of course melo was getting what he wanted out of this (the extension) whereas deron didn’t know he was being traded until after WE knew he was coming here.
you really expect a player to get moved, almost completely out of the blue, to a horrendous team, and turn around and sign an extension there? i’d be worried about him if he DID do that. he’s a superstar and has every right to protect his legacy and future by wanting to play on a contending team.
We are obviously of the same mind on this issue.
I am willing to wager that the Knicks are going to have reason to regret the combination of Stoudemire, ‘Melo and D’Antoni. They will sell tickets but not to the finals. Why? One word: DEFENSE!
oh yeah
Offense sells tickets
Defense wins championships
if the knicks contend for a title any time soon, d’antoni won’t be the coach
Right again.
D’Antoni will not coach a championship team at all. He certainly won’t coach a championship team in NYC, Knicks or Nets.
D-Will couldn't sign
it’s against league rules to even negotiate an extension at this time, and he would be fined if he mentioned that he would walk or if he would sign. It’s not that he wouldn’t, it’s that he couldn’t even if he wanted to.
its silly to expect a guy to sign an extension
less than 24 hours after being traded, and having known nothing about it.
the thing that sucks
is that we know it’s a joke and that the media chooses to report certain quotes while ignoring others… but the public doesnt know this, so the popular opinion becomes that D-Will is more likely to leave than stay, based on nothing but perception and false reporting.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I told you all so...
…that the media is biased toward the Knicks, Yankees, Giants and Rangers, despite the success of the remaining area teams over the past decade. This won’t change IF the Nets move to BK. That is not a cure-all for the built-in Manhattan-centric media dominance in the tri-state area. But no one wants to listen.
The Nets will NEVER be Brooklyn’s team, let alone NYC’s team. Proky must see this, as well as any honest, self-respecting Nets fan. Mark my words NetsDaily, NI and the rest of the visitors to this site – the Nets will not play their home games in BK (nor should they). Billion-dollar sports arena don’t turn profits. Good teams backed by unbiased media outlets – say in Jersey – do.
See ya in Newark, in 2013 and beyond.
In Rod We Trust
The media loves the Jets.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Also, the arena is already half way built!!!
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I guess this is true...
the Nets will not play their home games in BK
Because they won’t be called the Nets!!!
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
they're falling out of love...
rex guaranteed another super bowl at the draft combine. his promises have long been empty, and the media is losing patience
Yep
they’re going to look at that attendance in Newark and say, let’s just abandon the construction forever.
CRAZY TALK.
Expected from you
You’re gonna need that BP medication when you realize everything I’ve been saying will come to pass. I almost feel bad for you.
In Rod We Trust
Your posts make very little sense...
actually, they make no sense. The Nets will play in Brooklyn in ’12 – ’13. Obviously, you are not a fan of the Nets. Go NETS!
I am very confused, my replies to Morph's comments were deleted, I assume they think he is a troll.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
One of his comments was deleted
because it began with an attempt to insult those who disagreed with him.
NetsDaily.com
Ah, that was me.
Figured.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
You have GOT to be joking... right?
O.o
I mean really, this is in fact “CRAZY TALK”. The NETS are NOT going to be staying Newark.
Re-read that last sentence.
THE NJ NETS ARE MOVING TO THE BILLION $ ARENA IN BROOKLYN NY.
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
8 > 3
Yeah, forget the arena that already has steel put up.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
It sounds like he root for the Knicks and he’s shooting in his pants because we are actually moving to Brooklyn and Knicks fans like Francesca BT carton have no choice but to talk about us, any net fan who thinks staying in Newark is still a good thing then u need ur head examined
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 4:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so the new cowboys stadium hasn't made the owner $$$ ?
hosted the NBA all-star game and the super bowl. can hold more fans than any domed arena in the country. you better tell jerry jones that he’s losing money. he’ll want to know ASAP
So still saying the Nets don't go to Brooklyn???
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
As much as I would have like the Nets to stay in NJ
Its over, they’re going to Brooklyn and it might be for the best. Billion dollar arena, convenient public transportation, its not a bad trip from NJ Morph so don’t get too down on this.. It sounds like they might keep the name “Nets” too
this
as a lifetime Jersey resident initially I was pretty taken aback by the impending move, but numbers don’t lie, the support in New Jersey is pretty poor, I don’t blame them for wanting to move. and it’s not too much of a move that I can’t continue supporting the team (still will get YES Network, etc.), not like the Sonics moving to OKC or Hornets to New Orleans. If Brooklyn gives us a better shot at winning then so be it.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Comparing Williams to Kidd is pre-mature
Kidd turned around our franchise – back to back finals. I couldn’t see Williams getting us to the finals with the current roster.
need another good player
doesnt have to be a stud – also remember East sucked out loud when Kidd came to us
Nobody saw Kidd taking the Nets to the Finals...
… when he came here, either. He was hoping to get to 41 wins, the press laughed, and Starbury was talking about championships in Phoenix.
Lot of things went right- Kittles stayed healthy, Martin’s broken leg healed, Todd MacCulloch was a nice FA pick up, rookies Jefferson and Collins develop into rotation players pretty quickly, Lucious Harris became a viable rotation player.
And the teams that were picked at the top of the East floundered
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Francessa
Said Nets were irrelevant last week…..wonder if he even says anything about it – im sure he will be leading the chage that D Will is going to leave – Knicks and Giants are media darlings while Jets/Nets get dumped on
You've got it wrong
The Jets are with the Mets and Knicks with SNY and the Knicks and Jets a whole lot more attention than the Nets and GIants.
Guys people like to talk about yanks-mets jets-giants and only Knicks because nets aren’t a ny team
Melo Goes to NYK...who cares..Nets got DWill
Welcome D-Will..Take Care Favors
Nets Fans:Let the Haters Hate
Best Quote Ever by a Net fans:
"Howard and Williams, with a well constructed cast of roleplayers(we need a perimeter scorer to help), can take down the Miami Heat.
Win now mode baby. I’m stoked."
-MrDollarBills
by Wall2KingJames on Feb 27, 2011 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn you Travis Outlaw
I’m really getting tired of seeing Outlaw throw up bricks. So many bricks he can build a 5 bedroom house with 2 bathrooms and a basement. Yesterday game seems to be so fast paced but here goes Outlaw jacking up the threes and only one went in. He’s killing us.
Dre Day all day
by Dre Day41 on Feb 27, 2011 3:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That has absolutely zero to do with the post, congratulations.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
ok u don’t have to comment just about the post so what the ny media doesn’t give us credit when we are better then the knicks in brooklyn everbody will know who is better
It's just that Outlaw is a topic that never evades us.
Can we shut up about him for once?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
we'll shut up about outlaw
that easily as we shut up about melo. all the complaining did eventually end when we got d-will… maybe if we keep complaining about travis, he’ll start earning a 1/5 of his contract
Ha, who knows.
For now, I think we can complain all we want when he bricks a shot every game, but the truth is that we all wish him well and hope he improves. I’m just tired of the complaints about him every single thread. He sucks. We can leave it at that.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Travis OUTLAW sucks and I'll stop complaining when he's gone.
"Why has Avery Johnson pushed out every valuable player that we have ... rather than try to work with them as a coach to improve their value?" - imdkidd
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
I know that Met but what I’m trying to say is D Will is dishing the ball to him only to take stupid shots and its making me mad. Because of that dumbass contract he has what do you think D Will is thinking? This guy sucks
Dre Day all day
by Dre Day41 on Feb 27, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
5 bedroom house?
He can build the Barclays Center.
by GrandKenyon6 on Feb 27, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
anybody think we should go after deandre jordan he is c and pf who has insane atheltic skills and he reminds me of kmart with his power dunking and shot blocking
Depends on the price, but I think he would be huge for the Nets. They need some interior D and he would definitely bring that.
Interior defense...
may ultimately be why the Nets move Brook sooner rather than later. He seems to be a darker, curlier-haired version of Krstic.
Hump has to go. He will be overpaid and he is really not that great.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Hump is what he is.
A bench player. He’s not a starter by any means. But he is a great bench player.
Amazing the change in tune in some ppl when they’re ready to jump off the bridge…
I heard something about Love
that was very akin to this. I was reading something about that insane 30-rebound game he had, and mentioned how some teammates were pissed that he would steal rebounds from them that they easily had.
Let’s be real, Humphries knows this is his contract year. He’s trying to inflate his numbers like nobody’s business. He’ll get a increase in pay wherever he goes, and I’m not sure if he really cares how the rest of the team does. He probably didn’t even want to be here but the money was right.
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 27, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Did you watch the Net last year?
Hump always played like this. They only thing that has changed for him is that he’s hitting his shots at a better % and his minutes have increased. He’s taking the exact number of shots that he took for us last year, but he’s making them.
Kris Humphries always played hard and has always been a good rebounder. It’s showing in the stats because he’s getting more minutes.
Yes I watched almost every game
and I guess maybe I just didn’t realize his rebounding because he wasn’t playing as much. But the thing that gets me is Lopez’s numbers are way down. Has his game changed THAT much that he suddenly grabs 2 or 3 less boards a game?
by bronxbombers2 on Feb 27, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Brook has been floating on the perimeter
and he rarely boxes out. In fact, most of the time he’s the one getting boxed out. He only grabs a board if it falls in his hands.
Hump is the exact opposite of Brook when it comes to rebounds. He tracks the ball and goes after it. He boxes out. He makes an effort to rebound.
humphries practically ran over brook and half the rockets
trying to get rebounds the other night. brook hangs his hat on scoring the ball, but its not enough anymore. he needs to take on more responsibility on this team, and the fact that he hasn’t already worries me. if he can lead by example on the court, his words will carry a lot more weight
I agree
Brook isn’t putting forth an all-around effort and that’s worrisome. Especially when everybody keeps talking about him being the “cornerstone” of the franchise right now and the guy beside Deron.
He keeps saying he’s going to do it and then the very next game…nothing.
Hump is not the problem on D...
his help defense and challenges/blocks are the only reason we aren’t a complete disaster on the defensive end. With that being said, I think he’s better suited as a 3rd big…his production off the bench is the same regardless of who’s around him.
The Nets clearly need at least 2 starting caliber players this offseason 1) scoring wing. 2) PF who defends, rebounds. Make it happen BK.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 27, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
kmart is a chump deandre is 21 i believe
jordan at 21 >>>>>>>>>>>> kmart and his bad knees at 32
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
kmart was way overrated by nets fans
I am VERY against Lebron, completely ignoring the stats. He ruins teams, despite what his great stats say. I dont care what anyone says, he ruins teams. - anonymous nets fan
are u serious? come on brook man its time to grow up man kissing cartoons like are u serious dude dam i mean i m a grown a@@ man and like thats so raven on saturday mornings and ish but dang brook i dont b kissing the tv -best comment ever
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 27, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
false
he was the anchor of our defense, a force to run the breaks, and a big part of the identity of our team. it’s understandable that Nets fans became frustrated with his departure, even when it worked out in the long run.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
but he was overrated for where he was picked
I am VERY against Lebron, completely ignoring the stats. He ruins teams, despite what his great stats say. I dont care what anyone says, he ruins teams. - anonymous nets fan
are u serious? come on brook man its time to grow up man kissing cartoons like are u serious dude dam i mean i m a grown a@@ man and like thats so raven on saturday mornings and ish but dang brook i dont b kissing the tv -best comment ever
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 27, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
in a TERRIBLE draft
look at the guys below him and tell me who you would pick over him. K-Mart’s one of the only ones with a successful career.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
haha
ya you are right forgot to think about who else was drafted..
I am VERY against Lebron, completely ignoring the stats. He ruins teams, despite what his great stats say. I dont care what anyone says, he ruins teams. - anonymous nets fan
are u serious? come on brook man its time to grow up man kissing cartoons like are u serious dude dam i mean i m a grown a@@ man and like thats so raven on saturday mornings and ish but dang brook i dont b kissing the tv -best comment ever
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 27, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
People
forget that athletes with families like living in North Jersey and it may not seem as a nice place to live from the outside but once you live here you love it until you finally get tired of paying high taxes then you go to Florida.This is something that ESPN just does not understand.
by no show net fan on Feb 27, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions
Indeed
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
i heard the first 10,000 fans get a free tee-shirt monday night...
seems like they’ll have some leftovers, no?
No
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Yes, he's coming over in the Dwight Howard trade.
by ________key on Feb 27, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe it will be called
“the Travis Outlaw trade.”
What will Avery have to do to get fired?
by calling all toasters on Feb 27, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Good one.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
Missed that, I’ll bet. Why?
Because he is a competitor, and IS going to devote himself to the present situation, which includes making the MOST positive statements possible, especially in the first introductory days.
For those who are not Net fans in their ears, they hear statements of the best possible light, not predictions about what will happen.
Why else is the guy going to say?
Several things go against him signing with the Nets.
1). Avery Johnson is impossible to play for over a length of time, especially for a PG.
2). The Nets are due for some pretty dreadful basketball, and even if they pick up a couple of modest FAs, they still are talent deficient.
3). Great players want to play for a Championship, not try to get into the playoffs.
Are there things that are FOR him signing? Sure, there are a few. But to think that you have to parse his EXACT words (in the same way that every single word uttered – and the words that were not uttered – by Carmelo) as if there is some secret inner message about the future, and whether Deron is going to sign, is crazy. Deron is being as positive as he can be, and he will give the Nets 100% of himself. He will push them to make as many acquisitions as possible. And THEN he will decide whether playing for Avery is worth it, when compared to the other opportunities he’ll likely have.
its fair to say that we shouldn't hang on every word any one athlete says...
but thats where the media gets their fuel to construct very real reputations and affect peoples’ perceptions of the truth.
when it comes down it, no one is going to care about what deron said at his introductory press conference. we probably won’t even care about the 2010-2011 season. whatever happens between now and brooklyn, unless d.will + other star + young prospect are on our roster, it will al be for nothing
the media is largely making their interpretation on some obvious factors.
1). The Nets have been one of the worst teams in the NBA for 2 years in a row.
2). Lopez, their best player?, has regressed this year.
3). Avery has alienated a lot of Net players (most of whom are gone).
4). Williams just coach-killed a great, hard-nosed coach.
5). And “I” wouldn’t want to play for the Nets if “I” were him.
I do really tire of the interpreting every word (and silence) of what a superstar says. It started with Lebron, then Melo, now Deron, it will be Dwight. People actually take the absence of saying something has hard evidence that something is going to happen.
The Nets will have their shot at him, and will do EVERYTHING they can to keep him. You can’t ask for more than that.
It that's so...
then why has the Knicks resurrection this year received so much attention? Nets are in the same position the Knicks were the last ten years. Dolan absolutely destroyed this franchise, along with his buddy Isiah. Donnie Walsh has been a godsend for them. Otherwise, they would be scraping the bottom of the barrel as they have been for the last ten years.
because the NBA needs new york to do well
its a HUGE market. its a big deal when a city that has been so deprived of both winning and quality players recently, gets their quality players.
as far as the team selling out even during the dark ages, you can thank population density in the largest city in the country
The Knicks in many ways are the heart of the NBA.
Like it or not, the NYC media capital and NBA history come together in that franchise.
bs
just because they’re in NY doesnt make them the heart of the NBA. that would be Lakers-Celtics. the Knicks’ history is extremely average, and worse in recent years.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing is a lock. I think it’s — as he said — a strong possibility. We’ll see what happens going forward, as this is all speculation, but I’d be surprised if he’s not a Net come 2012.
The Token Black-Jew
One of D-Will's many skills is getting coaches fired
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I'll repeat, Sloan was NOT fired.
Sloan quit.
Avery is not going to quit.
One of Avery’s many skills is getting rid of players that don’t respect him.
It was a joke
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Not many chickens cross roads either.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
silly
"Why has Avery Johnson pushed out every valuable player that we have ... rather than try to work with them as a coach to improve their value?" - imdkidd
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Man you REALLY HATE Avery
Lol. Star players get coaches fired all the time. The last great point guard we had. Got two coaches fired. Lol. And Avery is already conceding alot to D WILL. Never once talked up his system talked about tailoring what the Nets do to fit D WILL. Not something a dictator would do.
We will get some value for our picks. And don’t need another star because there is not one available. But Tayshun Prince and Pietrus and maybe Glen Davis will Definitely transform our team.
There is one thing that wins other than star power and that chemistry. We have a star. Now it’s about developing chemistry.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never anything positive
When it comes to reporters or pundits talking about the Nets. Can’t wait from them to get out of NJ and move to BK
lets take a look at people who make 6.5 to 7.5 million a year. travesty money. who NI says is not crippling the nets cap space
marvin williams, tryus thomas, joel przybilla, desagna diop, morris peterson, anderson varajeo, breandan haywood, shawn marion, raymond felton, charlie villanueva, vladimir radmonovic, jeff foster, shane battier, dan gadzuric, nazr mohammed, jameer nelson, jj reddick, jason kapono, andres nocioni, josh childress, greg oden, andre miller, beno udrih, leandro barbosa
mo pete, vlad rad, kapono, gadzuric, and nocioni are the only people that are playing equal or worse than travis and guess what? none of them get PT. its time to give it up NI. outlaw and his bad contract got to go. you support outlaw but trash uzoh. as of now uzoh has supplanted farmar.
farmar, travis, and petro got to go this offseason. an extra 14 mil to the 19 mil already available. tellin me 33 mil isnt a big difference? priority is to make deron happy. moving outlaw allows a quality player to be signed at the right price. i’d rather have wilson chandler on a 5 yr/ 40 mill dollar deal than outlaw
with 33 mil its possible to put a 50 win team together next year before even thinking bout dwight with names like afflalo, chandler, thad young, randolph, gasol, etc
a roster of:
PG: D-will/Uzoh/Patty Mills(2 mil)
SG: Afflalo(7 mil)/Morrow
SF: CJ miles(5 mil)/James
PF: Thad Young(8 mil)/ chuck hayes(5 mil)/hump(MLE if it still exists)
C: Lopez/Jordan(6 mil)
is possible if they move outlaw and petro and farmar. and that team could easily win 50 games. and guess what lopez becomes an rfa the next year they could front load his extension in a sign and trade with dwight
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions
CJ is a RFA and Utah loves him.
I also think you’re overpaying everyone.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
thats my point with 33 million available they can afford to overpay 2 or 3 guys
but i think in todays nba world those are the type of prices those guys are gonna get coming off rookie deals.
cj has a team option. thad young and afflalo are rfa’s. there’s still prince, bellinelli, crawford, j-rich, jr smith, chandler, marcus thornton, mbah-a-moute, reggie williams
this team doesnt need another star yet but they need an actual roster with quality players. nets start too many bench guys and basically have no quality depth on the roster.
petro, farmar, and outlaw can all be traded for second round picks and trade exceptions if this is what the roster became
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
No. We can't overpay anyone especially if a hard cap is instituted.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
This is what I meant.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
How can you say what can and cannot be afforded if you don’t know exact numbers? Who or what is on the market?
Not afford to in the sense that they won’t be able to afford it, afford to in the sense that if they do they’ll be ****ed.
The Token Black-Jew
Again, this is what I meant.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Still makes no sense. If there is a hard cap (and there won’t be in any strict sense, contracts will be grandfathered in, etc), the Nets STILL will be in a great cap situation, which means they STILL can overpay according to the market, because the market would be set by teams with smaller cap space.
We can overpay, but if we do, it will screw us. We have the space to overpay, that doesn't mean that we should.
Look at Outlaw.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
its pretty simple
player x under a hard cap by the market can only get y because everyone is over the cap. we can afford to “overpay” (y+1) because we are not over the cap.
AND
Because the Nets are TERRIBLE, we will HAVE to overpay. Players are not going to just come here on market value.
See this is where you and I differ. Players can see the light at the end of the tunnel, the Nets won’t have to overpay to get players anymore.
I think that’s the fundamental divide between us, I don’t think the Nets are going to have to overcome that anymore.
The Token Black-Jew
And we overpaid them. Those were not smart investments.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
we'd be murdering whoever started in his place
because there is no limitless supply of lebron-esque SFs…
I would rather have GrahaMVP as the starter in an alternate reality because he at least is making peanuts.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
true, and i'm not defending outlaw, or the suits that gave him that contract
im just saying if we weren’t killing him, it would be someone else. he is just so damn convenient and easy to lay blame on.
Yes I agree. I don't want the Nets to overpay players.
You seem to agree with that. I don’t know why we’re arguing.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Overpaying is stupid though. It will hurt us in the long run.
I don’t care if we “have to” overpay, I’ll take the affordable free agents who will want to play with D-Will.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I don’t care if we "have to" overpay, I’ll take the affordable free agents who will want to play with D-Will.
So you are going to tell DWill, Here, play with these average, not too expensive guys.
Yes.
Here, play with these average, not too expensive guys.
And then we’ll be able to get you Howard.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
pshhh Howard
taking the easy way out
I am VERY against Lebron, completely ignoring the stats. He ruins teams, despite what his great stats say. I dont care what anyone says, he ruins teams. - anonymous nets fan
are u serious? come on brook man its time to grow up man kissing cartoons like are u serious dude dam i mean i m a grown a@@ man and like thats so raven on saturday mornings and ish but dang brook i dont b kissing the tv -best comment ever
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Feb 27, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Nets would be a championship contender with D-Will + Dwight
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Disagree. If you’re a “destination” team you can get a bargain, the Nets are not in a position where it’s like signing with the T’Wolves. Come on KV, Brooklyn is a big draw and so is Proky.
The Token Black-Jew
no you can't
your bargain is the rights to offer that player as much or more than every other team. there are no bargains when rudy gay and joe johnson and amare are getting super max contracts
only if your are a net fan.
You don’t think the league hears from everyone who leaves the Nets what a nightmare Avery is?
You don’t think that the losing is a factor?
this team just gave away a lot of its future potential.
plus the hard cap is just an owner's negotiating stance.
Even the hard cap in the NFL is filled with loopholes. There is no “real” hard cap coming.
assuming there is a hard cap
the 33 mil only pushes them back to the normal soft cap. they would be at the soft cap limit. and thats without the MLE if it still exists.
its not a big deal to put some actual players on the roster. if they play well they can easily be shipped out for dwight the next season
cant hold money back and keep losing then they lose d-will and have all the money in the word and nothing to spend it on. got to win over d-will before winning over anyone else first
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
33 Mill + 16 mill for D-Will leaves us at 49 mill and without a championship team or enough space to get much better.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
the soft cap this year is 58 mil
this team is till flexible with that roster. but that roster is so solid they wouldnt have to make any other moves.
like i said. when lopez becomes an rfa. they will have his bird rights. they can frontload his contract to go over the soft cap and send him to orlando for dwight. assume they send lopez, hump, and rookie for dwight
pg: D-will/uzoh/mills
sg: afflalo/morrow
sf: cj miles/james
pf: jordan/thad young
C: dwight/chuck hayes
tellin me that team cant win a title?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think we'd be able to afford Howard under the new system.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
I am assuming that there will not be as many exceptions under the new CBA.
I just do not see how we will have the flexibility to afford Howard if we have 49 million committed elsewhere.
Neither of us knows what the new CBA will look like so I am assuming.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
why do you assume that?
At the very least all the old contracts will be grandfathered in.
Even the NFL cap is crammed with exceptions.
Alright, explain to me how we would be able to afford Howard with 49 million already committed to other contracts.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
you have to see how such a cap is structured.
If older contracts are grandfathered in (and they will be if there is such a cap), then Dwill’s contract might allow and exception.
In the NFL its the signing bonus and voidable years.
Its not just going to be a flat number.
No, I think that the new CBA will be less friendly to the players.
I would love to have all the flexibility in the world, but I am going with the worst case scenario.
We can’t overpay because of the uncertainty.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Like Afflalo
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
No— Afflalo is really, really good.
What will Avery have to do to get fired?
by calling all toasters on Feb 27, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
He would fit well…Morrow is an excellent weapon off the bench.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
My Favorite option at each position:
SG: Afflalo
SF: Kirilenko
PF: Nene or Z-Bo
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
C: Kendrick Perkins
PG: Deron Williams ;)
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
Everyone’s making fun of Knicks’ defense.
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
how can you make fun of something that doesnt exist?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While the team absolutely stinks as currently constituted....
I dont really see any options as to where he would go. The knicks arent going to have cap room to sign someone like him, as much as the NY media makes it out that they will, and there arent any legit places that have championship teams w no PG. Plus NJ, like NI pointed out, is a huge step up in terms of media exposure than Utah.
I dont see where he could go that is a legit option, but we really need to show him that we are adding pieces around him. Playing with Sasha and Lopez as his top offensive options just isnt going to cut it.
Clippers will only have 25 million committed the year Williams can walk
Who would you want to play with, Brook or Blake?
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Feb 27, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
No one wants to play for the Clippers
And it has a lot more to do with cheap ownership and bad management than the talent on the floor
Things can change, as they have for the Nets.
If you’re going to make the “no one wants to play for the Clippers” argument then the same can be said for the Nets.
The Token Black-Jew
Until they change there management tho
Also a big plus were opening a new arena
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
The clippers have ton more talent than the Nets now.
Let’s say:
DeAndre = Lopez
Blake = DWill
Who in the world on the Nets =
Bledsoe
Williams
Gordon
not to mention a lot of other young good players
deandre does not equal lopez
but i agree that their supporting group of youngsters is superior to ours
Nets, Suns
Who’s going to the game tomorrow, what time would u wanna arrive at the arena
by Quiet_Storm90 on Feb 27, 2011 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'll be there early
Don’t care much about hte tshirt tho lol
will be on the first train out of NY Penn around 6pm...
wave those shirts!
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 27, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so glad fans aren't GMs...
because…Good Lord…
You can write it but Net Income would probably delete it
"Why has Avery Johnson pushed out every valuable player that we have ... rather than try to work with them as a coach to improve their value?" - imdkidd
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
I don't "worship" Outlaw
but I do believe that you guys are obsessed to the point of silliness.
I hope he gets better, you know like a real fan would.
by Net Income on Feb 27, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 one im tired of people bashing outlaw
REAL FANS SUPPORT THEIR PLAYERS
Knicks 2, Nets 0. There's not much Prokhorov can do about it now. Maybe put up another billboard ~Mitch Lawrence
Yeah, about that... Don't ever doubt The Prokhorov.
How much time can we give him?
After nearly an entire season of suckage you can’t expect people to be patient. The only way the guy can score is his jumper and he seems to miss at least half of his wide open J’s.
by KeithVanBread on Feb 27, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
of course we hope he gets better
doesnt mean he’s above criticism, I sure hope fans would call out the kind of terrible games he has.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed...no doubt
Outlaw has some potential. People need to get off him.
If he can find some consistency it would be great.
by ZR on Feb 27, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
have never deleted a comment
because I disagree with it, but I might delete you if you suggest I would.
I wasn't just talking about outlaw I was talking about farmar and petro too
I just think that it would be smart for us to have more cap space considering that outlaw has been pretty bad and that we need all the cap space we can get
Nice.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
"It was a gangsta move..." - George Willis of the New York Post on the acquisition of Deron Williams
Billy King, please make Antawn Jamison a Net.
The Nets know how to get it done. I wasnt a fan of all of Yormarks marketing schemes but he is at least trying
by DJ HeavyDuty on Feb 27, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
nice to have money to buy the space
nice to have money to get the poster designed and put together within days.
i want that poster in my room
@Al_Iannazzone: BREAKING NEWS: Nets are close to acquiring Deron WIlliams from Utah, sources told The Record.
-Feburary 23, 10:54 am.
his room might be huge.. you don't know
by viridus on Feb 27, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
you might also be interested in this
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Deron-Williams/164265529615#!/pages/Deron-Williams/164265529615?closeTheater=1
note how he describes himself and his location.
Josh smith???
Any way we can get this guy?
They did say only horford was untouchable.he would be amazing.
Of course if no dwight
Things to look for:
-Djames 12-16 ppg
-Brook 20-25 ppg (maybe a REB or two)
-Hump Dub-Dub every night.
-Anything from b wright.
Follow on twitter @mviola24
by Mike Viola on Feb 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
great piece NI
ill be at the game tomorrow, hopefully its a packed house and we can get a De-Ron Will-iams chant going!
THANK YOU, I LOVE YOU, NI
screw what the media thinks.
The all the pessimist armchair GM's
None of you considered a scenario in which we could get Deron Williams…and we got Deron Williams.
I’ll leave salary dumping trades and draft choices to the actual FO. They seem to know a little more than we do…
I knew we were a mistake waiting to happen.
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
So much word.
It’s to the point know where it’s already getting to be ridiculous.
Free Agency. Sign West, JR Smith, Pietrus, Kenyon, Dalembert
Lopez / Dalembert / Petro
West / Kenyon / Outlaw
Pietrus / D James / Outlaw
JR Smith / Morrow
D Williams / Farmar
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 27, 2011 6:01 PM EST reply actions
What is it about NJ that the media hates?
The sports media also pretty much said there was no chance Kovalchuk was returning to the Devils and that they stupidly gave up some picks and a nice young player in Bergfors for a rental. Now Kovalchuk is in Devil red for the next 15 years…
The Knicks "great tradition"
which is a myth.
they have sucked for years. with the exception of some success in the earlyh 1970’s, success shared by the Nets in the ABA, they had a few good years in the mid to late 90’s, just as the Nets did in the early to mid 2000’s.
And every time a Knick fan trashes the Nets note the following statistic: the Nets have won 43 playoff games since the Nets won their last playoff game.
I dont know what the Nets and Knicks records are since 1970, but I would bet they are close…not to mention that the Nets have a winning record over the Knicks since joining the NBA.
Not just the Nets though
as I alluded to with the Devils example, it seems to be the state. I realize we have super high taxes, live in the armpit of NY, it’s congested, and there’s been mob activity and a bunch of trashy reality tv shows about this state, but it seems like no one out there gives us any love.
people easily forget that north jersey is not the entirety of New Jersey though
it’s more varied than that, and most other areas are a lot better places to live than Newark or Elizabeth or whatever.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Knicks DO have a great tradition
But it’s entirely based on their fans, not on the team that steps on the floor. New Yorkers have had only ONE team to root for.
The infiltration of the Nets in New York is going to take some time (unless they come in with Howard + Deron) but it starts with having a team that young players want to watch.
It sounds like a joke, but that Sasha Vujacic kid video is exactly how kids become fans of teams. And how that kid will eventually be a fan of the Nets.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
this is exactly how kids become fans
I become a fan of the Hornets when I was young because I thought Muggsy Bogues was awesome, because my older brother thought Shaq was awesome.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Stop worrying about the Knicks.
People on this site have such an inferiority complex when it comes to the Knicks. I say, who cares about the Knicks. I am not worried about what they’re doing. Let them win a title the first year we are in Brooklyn. As long as we are improving and building something positive, then i am happy. Yes, if the Knicks are the toast of the town it will hurt us and we will lose money, but thats what Multi-Billionare owners are for. I just want to be a good team, and compete in the playoffs, if the Knicks are there as well, i am okay with that.
Stop worrying about people who worry about the Knicks
that’s like asking Red Sox fans to stop being bitter about the Yankees. it’s built into the tradition/history. We had to pay a territorial fee to even get into the NBA because of the Knicks, which caused us to have to give up Dr. J. we’re constantly being beaten down and pitied by the national media, even when we went to two finals. I think the hate is well-founded. Trying to stop it is even more fruitless than the hate itself.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
theyre threatened by us
I don’t know, it’s all dumb. many books could be written about the NY-NJ dynamic. NJ residents feel inferior, all NYers do is dump on us all day, yet they send their trash here in the summer, make a TV show and say it’s New Jersey.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
If I were the Knicks...
I’d worry about Melo bolting in 2014.
by JackTr1pper on Feb 27, 2011 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The difference between the kid team when he first got here and our now is
Heart, Determination,athleticism, of course skill, but also intangible things like K-mart yelling and screaming pumping guys up dunking on people and intimidating people. I honestly would not mind letting him come back on the cheap just to get that feeling back and tough mindedness in practices. The other day when the Nuggets played the Celtics K-mart threw garnet to the ground and it changed the who energy of the game.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I remember the story Lawrence Frank told about K-mart
The Nets were playing the Bulls and on the foul line K-mart just rammed his head into Eddy Curry’s chest. When K-mart got to the sideline Frank asked him what was he doing? K-mart relied “Trying to break his sternum” Frank then said teams need that, a guy who has that unpredictability and crazy energy.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
lol that sounds exactly like K-Mart
NBA needs more players like this. tough, no bs but not immature, still professional and hard-working.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
K--Mart was the man!
Fast on the break – good defender – used to T-bag Jermain O’neil and other big men – a young Kmart is exactly what we need
let's build a time machine!
get on it Prokhy
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Do you know who the Knicks played the last time they made the playoffs.....
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Feb 27, 2011 6:20 PM EST reply actions
Us and we swept them
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
"Amnesty" in the new CBA = The key to getting rid of Outlaw?
Ian Thomsen of cnnsi.com had an articletoday discussing why Cleveland may have been willing to take on Baron Davis’s contract. Long story short, there seems to be some sentiment that in the next CBA, in connection with the implementation of a hard cap, there may also be some sort of contract “amnesty” which would provide owners with the ability to buy out the entire duration of their bad contracts (such as the Baron Davis contract). The player would still get paid for the duration of their contract, but the amount of the contract would be removed from the team’s salary cap.
Here’s the link:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/02/25/trade.fallout/index.html
Needless to say, this would be HUGE for the Nets and our efforts to re-sign DWill. If we could buy out the last four years of Outlaw’s deal (and why not Petro’s deal while we are at it) that would give us a tremendous amount of added flexibility to (i) sign free agents this summer; (ii) re-sign Brook AND (iii) go after Dwight Howard in 2012.
If there is a hard cap of (let’s say) $70 million (which is the number some pundits are speculating because the league does not want to “break up” the Heat and the Lakers) AND we can buy out our bad contracts, we will be in great shape….thus making the gamble on trading for DWill well worth it.
good info...
Now that I think about it…I definitely think the nba would include an amnesty clause if a hard cap is indeed implemented.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 27, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Amnesty Clause and the Hard Cap
So what exactly does this mean? How much payroll would we be able to have with a hard cap? And what’s the advantage of it?
And with amnesty how much could we spend?
Its going to be so crazy I think after this CBA
I heard there was talk of giving some teams 2 first round picks as well, but probably just talk.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Hard Cap and Amnesty.
Regarding a Hard Salary Cap, the thinking seems to be that if there is one, the salary cap will go UP, not DOWN. In other words, there’s no way teams like the Lakers will be able to trim their salary from $91 million to $58 million in one off-season, short of forcing them to have a fire sale. There’s no way that owners like Buss would go for this.
As an alternative, the thinking is that the new “hard cap” would be at around the “luxury tax” level, which I think is $70 million (but you guys please correct me if I’m wrong).
If there is a hard cap of $70 million, the Nets should be in position to be able to sign DWill, DHoward and BLopez to max deals (should we choose) and still have the ability to add addition quality players to complete the squad.
The amnesty provision would most likely be a compromise to allow teams to get down the hard cap limit by buying out the remainder of the contracts of certain players….however, it the league allows luxury cap teams amnesty to buy out players, I would imagine that they would have to allow all teams to have that option…otherwise owners like Prokhorov would never agreed to it (because it would allow those luxury cap teams to have an advantage in reshaping their teams under the new rules).
Hard Cap
If there is a hard cap, then the cap would most definitely have to be higher than the current cap. It will probably start higher & actually decrease over the first couple of years of the next CBA, allowing old contracts to expire & teams to adjust. Initially, I’d expect the hard cap to be around the tax threshold, but I think it would eventually settle a couple million lower.
The sticking point with a hard cap system from an owner’s point of view is how to get out of contracts. Teams will have to have a way to always, not just initially, get under the cap. The NFL does this by making contracts partially guaranteed. Annual salaries aren’t guaranteed, but signing bonuses are & they’re prorated over the duration of the contract. I believe the NHL accomplished it by having a prearranged buyout amount for all contracts which is just a set percentage of the contract.
I think a hard cap would be great in the NBA. It will promote player movement & parity. There will be a finite amount of money available to the players, i.e. no loopholes/exceptions for some teams to exceed the cap. If it’s like the NFL, it will also eliminate maximum salaries. That gives a team like Cleveland the ability to break the bank to retain its star if that’s how they choose to build their team. It’s feasible that the truly elite players could fetch up to $30mil per year. That’s actually a good thing, because that would prevent future Heat situations. It’s not a huge deal for James, Wade & Bosh to take a couple of million less to play together. However, would they have given up $10+mil per year to play together. Every team in the league would have offered James $25+mil per year if they could. Many would have offered Wade similar money. It’s doubtful any team would invest $50+mil in two players if there is a hard cap though.
From a player’s union point of view, I don’t think they’d like the hard cap with no maximum salaries, because it will cause a huge divide between the top earners & the lesser players. Stars will get more money & role players will get less. Role players outnumber stars in the player’s union, & what’s good for the elite players doesn’t typically correlate with what’s good for the majority.
Yes it makes sense for Deron to stay
But if we aren’t winning, he’s not going to stay, regardless of how big the market is.
However, I believe the Nets will put the right team around him because they will ASK him what he wants.
To me, Chandler & K Mart are upgrades that would give us 10+ wins easily.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
K-Mart over the hill,
and injuried prone – why would you want him? I will take a chance on Oden – at least he’s young. I will go after D Jordan. I will go after Perkins. If Howard is not available, I will go after Josh Smith! Plus, do you think 10+ wins is enough to satisfy Williams?
i dont understand either when there are plenty of better options out there
k-mart 32 on bad knees. people saw the nuggs take out the shorthanded celtics and think k-mart is back in 04 form. uuuuhhhhh no. k-mart is done and doesnt need to be involved in the rebuilding. let him ring chase and be a headache on other teams
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
It's about the cost
People want production at a low value so that they can go after Howard. If that’s the case, then you can’t spend big money.
This is why I want Howard to sign an extension with Orlando. That way we can all move on and just actually sign very good players.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
yeah but IMO the ONLY way Howard is a Net is by trade!!!
and the main theme of this offseason should be FAST players who can defend! other than AK I really don’t see anyone else taking this magical paycut everyone else thinks just because of D-Will…. It just doesn’t make sense to go into another offseason looking at “role players” again and paying them hoping they become starter quality…. that’s a bad omen IMO so yeah we will have to make another major trade most likely…. anyways time will tell and I’m not holding my breath on it especially after all we been thru this year since the summer which was only salvaged by the D-Will trade IMO…
with the new CBA in place...
i think contracts will get shorter and in turn, less risky and easier to move. I agree, we need to sign 2 or 3 very good players THIS summer (with Deron’s input). If we make good decisions with those signings, they won’t be difficult to flip into trade pieces for a “star” down the line if someone is available during next year’s trade deadline.
This summer will be huge if we want to keep Deron long term. The Nets FO recognize this and mentioned the cap space numerous times in last week’s interviews. They’ll be ready to spend and the difference this summer will be the fact that we are in “win now” mode, have a top PG, and Brooklyn 1 year away.
by BKNfastbreak on Feb 27, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Nets have shown with this move that they are willing to spend and take risks.
Proky and King will do the right thing, I have no doubts.
by ZR on Feb 27, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Don't agree about K-Mart though
I’m not sure how much he has left in the tank.
by ZR on Feb 27, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
IMO it's pretty simple if D-Howard asks out of Orlando after this year then Lopez is a BIG trading chip to get it done!!
Then it’s really more a matter of getting a “bloated” contract that a team looks to offload in the event the new CBA makes it harder for that team to keep that player but at the same time there will most likely be some kind of “Roll Back” so it won’t look as bad as we think….
Also with the players most people on here mentioned as free agents I wouldn’t touch unless D-Will personally requests them because still and all the best players will be players to be had in a trade or else we will be overspending…. IMO
I really don’t see Orlando letting Dwight walk point blank and even with D-Will other than Miles (who is so so but not a starter but supposedly his close friend) and AK47 (who almost is a lock to come) I don’t see who is gonna magically come here at a discounted rate…
D-Will had 17 assist with new his second game and still no practice and that alone is reason to see what happens moving forward with the remaining games so the offseason is what it is and it’s common sense that D-Will will be making the requests and Billy King will try to accommodate them period…..
Whatever this team does I just hope one thing and one thing and that's that we add SPEED!!!!
Damn this team is slow!!!!
beiging olympics good times. superstars wanted to rep our country. yao was healthy(i think)
all i know is that i cant wait for 2012 olympics. usa could put out three teams and win gold, silver, and bronze. the top 5 at position off my head
PG: D-WIll, CP3, Rondo, Rose, Westbrook
SG: Wade, Gordon, Kobe, Joe johnson, Ellis
SF: Lebron, Durant, Gay, Melo, Igoudola
PF: Love, Griffin, Amar’e, Aldridge, KG
C: Dwight, Lopez, Bynum, Perkins, and odom out of 2010 sentiment
USA will always be the best bball country but i hope argentina and spain are fully healthy and competitive. spain played without calderon, pau gasol, garbajosa, etc and still almost beat USA at the olympics
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 27, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
that was a great time
I enjoyed those games a lot, we won the gold but we still have to be on top of our game, Spain gave us a good challenge until Kobe took over. Got to root for Kidd again, it was good times.
by sheepareevil on Feb 27, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yankees Firefox Persona (Courtesy of Yours Truly): https://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/128365
Grandyman Empire State of Mind Verse: http://www.pinstripealley.com/2010/10/3/1728134/overflow#48368714
http://otrbasketball.com/forums
Yankees-Nets-Broncos
Thats the new Nets colored version?
Sweeeet
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Haha nah I took the original and edited it on Paint.
I might throw it on a poster for tomorrow’s game.
http://otrbasketball.com/forums
Yankees-Nets-Broncos
That should be the new one.
Make it a poster bro, I’m sure that they will find you on YES.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
D-Will's logo!
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Screw Simmons
Said barely two words about D-Will in his latest podcast, spending nearly a half-hour on the Celtics.
He's a national columnist
D-Will was the steal of the trade deadline. That Perkins trade wasn’t nearly as huge.
Thank you NI
Tell ’em!!!!!
GO NETS
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 27, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Disappointed in our own Nets Announcers
Only 2 games into the D-Will era and Mike, Ian and of course Marv – have all brought up the topic of whether he’ll sign the extension several times each game. The only people tuned into YES during the game are net fans. We read about it and hear about it on TV & radio all the time – do we have to hear it from our own announcers? Will we be hearing it for the next 100 games? After spending a year talking endlessly about ‘Melo, I’d think they’d want to take a break. I know I would.
Not great but Fantastic Article
Being an avid reader of sports columns and a true Net fan, I can’t say how happy I am for finally someone putting all these valid and deliberately ignored segments of Deron’s interviews in a single article, so as to handing me the pleasure of posting said great article all over bball forums. Many a knick fan will receive this link and I await their responses. Thank you Net Income.
With that said, I thought it was very positive, despite not knowing anyone, Williams had 29 assists in his first 2 games. Just wait til he has chemistry, especially with Brook. Its gonna be fun to watch the rest of the season and can’t wait til the next.
GO NETS!!
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
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