Oden Sticking Point in Harris Talks?
by Net Income on Feb 23, 2011 6:57 AM EST
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PrintAl Iannazzone reports that as the Nets try to find a home for Devin Harris and get a decent return, a player once compared to Bill Russell but now considered a monumental bust could be the sticking point. Iannazzone writes that unless the Trailblazers include Greg Oden in a deal that would send Harris and Troy Murphy to Portland, there's probably no deal.
At that point, the Nets would likely turn to Dallas where Harris began his career and which would yield the Nets at least the 30 year old Caron Butler, out for the season with a right knee injury. Iannazzone and Fred Kerber report the Nets also want Dominique Jones, the 6'5" rookie shooting guard, and a first round pick. Jones, out with a broken foot, may not return this season.
But Marc Stein writes the Mavs are resisting and want to hand Butler to the Nets in a straight-up one-for-one. If Portland and the Nets can't agree, Murphy would go to Golden State in a deal that would yield Dan Gadzuric and Brandan Wright, another injury prone bust from the 2007 draft. Neither played in last night's loss to the Celtics
The Trailblazers brass are reportedly split on giving up Oden, who will be a restricted free agent. He is again out for the season after undergoing microfracture knee surgery. "The Nets probably won’t do it if Oden isn’t included," writes Iannazzone. The problem is, as Kerber writes, if they dump the Portland deal, they'll also lose out on getting a point guard in return since Andre Miller would be coming east in that deal. That would leave Jordan Farmar and Ben Uzoh as the Nets' points.
- Dallas is the likely destination for the Nets' Devin Harris - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Nets scramble to deal Devin - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- While Knicks grow stronger, speculation still rules with Nets - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Nets Move on without Melo - Al Iannazzone - The Nets Insider
- Rumored trade of Troy Murphy to Warriors soon not to be rumor - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Warriors and Nets Talking - David Aldridge - NBA.com
- Murphy Trade Close? - Bill Ingram - HoopsWorld
- Nets management drops the ball…again - Greg Hrinya - Examiner
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Get Oden
Really, at this point, what have you got to lose?
oden is an “injury bust”, not a “bust bust”. He’s not considered a bust because he’s not any good when he’s on the floor.
If Grant Hill can come back from those foot surgeries, if Ilgauskas could come back from those foot surgeries, why not Oden who only just turned 23 last month?
I'd love Nene
But K-Mart does not fit right now. With Favors and Humphries, why get K-Mart?
What happened to Gallo rumors? Done?
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
We won't go after Nene
He’d want a long contract and would get in the way of Dwight Howard! Yes, he’s coming here of course! We must not make our team better before he gets here.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
Howard is not coming...
…neither are Deron or CP3.
by Versifiervt on Feb 23, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol Deron is.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
High Risk High Reward
This is the “type” of deal the Nets should be looking at if they are so keen to give Devin Harris away.
Yes Greg Oden is a bust so far – but he has great skills and he was the number one pick in his draft. You can’t teach height and having two 7 feet players could be awesome. I do believe a fresh start is needed for Oden. Plus given Brandon Roy’s big contract and current injuries i don’t think its likely Portland will give Oden an extension unless he proves he can stay healthy.
I know i speak for most Nets fans when i say i’d be very disappointed in giving Harris away for almost nothing or an inferior player.
If the Nets front office can’t find a deal before Thursday hold onto him until the draft or the summer. Harris is under contract, its not like we are going to lose him for nothing. Although it does seem we are going to give him away for nothing.
by Yi Of Little Faith on Feb 23, 2011 6:47 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
It wouldn't be nothing
All it said was that Portland would need to include Oden in a trade.
Does that mean Andre Miller in return?
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
“Having two seven footers would be awesome " …funny i said the same thing when they cluelessly passed on cousins!
by gmen4life24 on Feb 23, 2011 8:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Great Post, Yi!
I wanna Rec you, I really-really-really do… But that handle… Sorry bro!
Opulence, I has it.
I'm changing my handle
Going to become New York Brooklyn or Brooklyn Empire which i think are the two best names for the future of the franchise.
By being New York Brooklyn we appeal to the whole city but we identify specifically with the location we play in. But while other teams are known as the Thunder or the Bulls we get called Brooklyn.
And can you imagine having Brooklyn on your jersey. They’d sell huge numbers.
by Yi Of Little Faith on Feb 23, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
New York Brooklyn would be awful
Doesn’t roll off the tongue at all
by Anthony Perez on Feb 23, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Brooklyn Empire. I been saying that forever!
Section 4 Row 7 @ Prudential
We are giving up too much if we dont get Oden in return. Harris is going to fit in great with the Blazers. The Dallas deal SUCKSSSSSS!!! I would do the Atl deal b4 that crap. Butler is injury prone and wont resign here and he is 30!!!
Cuban will be getting away with MURDER!! King bring Harris back b4 you do that deal and move him in the offseason.
The Golden State deal is even worse than the Dallas deal. The players coming from GS have no value at all. That deal is a travesty, and i dont mean Outlaw.
Dallas deal is worse than the GS deal
In the GS deal, at least you’re only trading Murphy, and you’re still getting Brandan Wright who has some teeny bit of value. In the Dallas trade you’re just dumping Harris, who’s averaging 15 and 8, for nothing
Whatever happened to trying to get Gallo/Felton?
by netsyanksgiants on Feb 23, 2011 6:48 AM EST reply actions
Nuggets like both players
would likely only move them in the summer.
by Yi Of Little Faith on Feb 23, 2011 6:49 AM EST up reply actions
Where did the bull come from?
Nuggets? Nets? Media?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Feb 23, 2011 7:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
stop acting like your feelings are hurt
So the Nets used you and the rest of the media during this process…it was a tactical decision.
Brett Yormark back to his old sleazy tricks
Prokhorov's record in getting stars is now 0-3. I can no longer give him a free pass. He whiffed in Summer 2010 and twice with Melo. He said he could convince "the best of the best" to play here. He also said the buck stops with him. Well, Dolan got Stoudemire and Melo. What has Prokhorov accomplished? He's shaping up to be a blowhard failure.
Oden played 61 games in 08-09, 22 minutes a game. 21 games in 09-10, 24 minutes a game
Per 36 minutes:
08-09 – 14.8 ppg 11.6 rpg 1.9 bpg 56% FG
09-10 – 16.7 ppg 12.8 rpg 3.4 bpg 61% FG
It’s not hard to imagine that if we was healthy he’d be putting up Dwight Howard numbers by now
Let Avery's replacement decide
where Harris should go!
_________________
Fire Avery Now!
by YehYeh on Feb 23, 2011 6:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just don't get it
Why are we giving up a former all star for nothing? Nets management needs to tell Harris “Sorry your name was in trade talks – we were trying to get a top 10 player and you were a necessary part of that effort. But we’re committed to keeping you now, so go out there and play great.” and that’s it. End of story. This “my feelings are hurt I want to go” crap doesn’t work for me – not when a guy makes millions of dollars. Sorry. Man up.
And while we’re at it, tell Johnson he better learn to get along with his best players or he can go back to commenting on basketball games rather than coaching them. I’m tired of having a coach that alienates his top players.
by CBEE on Feb 23, 2011 6:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Still trade Harris, but the thing there is, is this really gonna be the peak of his value?
Surely you can find better trades on draft day or during the summer
Because Harris is a little pansy
Who gets butt hurt. You were getting traded for a guy who is consistently a top-5 scorer in the league. Get over it.
by Anthony Perez on Feb 23, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
+1000 CBEE
I agree totally. After the abuse the front office has taken over this Melo thing and the nationwide snow job the media is painting(funny we got less coverage going to back to back finals than we got for this Melodrama thing) The front office should just deal with the Murphy thing and back away. Turn the phones off. Make Harris play out his contract. There is no gaurantee we get Irving and even less of a chance he steps right into being solid.
Now everyone thinks they can fleece us. What a complete mess. Best to do nothing. Harris is our only viable NBA now asset. Why trade him for nothing?
I feel like screaming this is awful. This is the worst possible scenario. If King and Avery can’t dig out of this mess we need to cut bait right now and start over.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Feb 23, 2011 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Murphy if bought out should sign with the Heat. He fits in there much better than Orl. Him and Ryan Anderson are pretty much the same player.
Go to Mia where you will get some publicity and a long playoff run and please whip the Knicks behind while you are at it.
I actuallly think he might go to the Knicks
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
by eLonepb on Feb 23, 2011 6:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would really kill me. The way he was handled was vile though. Avery lost some of my respect with that.
Give me a break
The man was paid what 12 million dollars to stay home? It is amazing to me these statements like “they did him wrong” or “they hurt his feelings.” They get millions of dollars to pay a game and everyone is worried about there feelings. Do they give a crap that you have to pay 8.00 for a beer or 6.00 for a hot dog? It is a business and just like Murphy, Harris should suck it up and be told “we were trying to acquire a top 10 talent, sorry if that hurts your feelings but you are one of our best players so if it was going to happen it would have taken you to get it done, it didn’t work so lets move on”
by ArmchairQb68 on Feb 23, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Dallas deal is just a "threat", more posturing
The fact that iit makes ZERO sense and defies all logic is the clearest indicator.
They need Miller no matter what. The Oden thing is a find risk/reward move, but I wonder if Portland will call the bluff.
How would the Nets expect to compete in ANY games without a PG? It doesn’t make sense, and we’d be a 12 win team again, and no free agents would come.
Unless they are getting Irving which is a crap shoot.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
by eLonepb on Feb 23, 2011 6:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think Farmar is a more than capable starter. He put up great #s when Harris was out. I want Miller also though, dude is just steady.
Not yet
Farmar needs to be less of a shoot-first type of player before he deserves significant minutes.
Furthermore, he would get torched by opposing PGs. With such a wealth of talent at the PG position right now, it would be a shame to settle on Farmar as your starter.
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how the Blazers keep Oden when they already have one player in Roy who has a max contract and might only have a few years left
No sense to multiply that risk by 2
I'm betting
the Nets end the day with Brandan Wright, Dan Gadzuric, Andre Miller and maybe another pick.
No Rudy or Oden?
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming Portland would want to deal him
I’d give up 2 2nd rounders for Oden
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
No thank you to butler's expiring contract please.....
Expirings mean nothing to this team unfortunately…….If we’re giving one of our best assets up, its not gonna be for butler, what can he do for us besides suiting up every game and sitting on the bench, he’s gonna be another murphy for the rest of the season doing nothing and getting paid big money to do so…..
And he doesnt sound like he wants to be here too as well according to his tweet i saw somewhere i believe. If we’re gonna do this, we might as well not do any trades, stay the course with our draft picks, just trade murphy for his sake and hope for the best that we can get someone good in FA.
The question is really whether King is setting up the team for the new CBA
If the Nets shred salary, and the NBA has a new, lower cap, they will have flexibility that many other teams do not have.
Look at the Knicks – they have just committed $40M+ to two players. Not to mention Renaldo Balkman is still on the books (and back on the Knicks, amazing).
The Knicks will have little flexibility now, and that will be there team, for better or worse.
The Nets, on the other hand, need to save some money to extend Lopez. Due to the uncertainty of the new cap, I can understand why King is looking to shred salary.
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
He isn't shredding anything
Especially if it’s the Portland deal we’re talking about. If we get Miller and Oden for Harris, it’s basically even. We just save 1 year off Harris’ contract.
A disappointed fan
by imdkidd on Feb 23, 2011 8:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
enough of the CBA myth
i can’t remember who it was on the radio being interviewed, but he said that the GMz around the league feel that if a hard cap is put into place, then the salary cap will be set at 65 to 70 million. Only makes sense. Can’t have a hard cap with the limit being so low. Hence, Walsh’s strong believe they can land Dwight OR CP3.
A guy on the radio
lol
Though it kinda makes sense
by Anthony Perez on Feb 23, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think this season feels worse than last season’s 12-70 mark. At least last year we felt there was a plan and they were building for the future. This season is just a monumental failure. We brought in a coach who has seemingly alienated the entire roster and with his input into personnel decisions have caused the ship to crash and burn. We replaced a front office of rod and kiki with avery and billy king. And in our foolish pursuit of Carmelo we have alienated our best player and are now trading him away for peanuts. There is no plan. Irrespective of Brooklyn I am certain Lopez is next guy out door followed by Favors. This franchise has allowed itself to look even worse (thx to mgmt) folowing last season’s debacle and aside from alienating the roster they have also alienated much of the fan base. I for one, miss the days of Lawrence Frank on the bench….he never threw players under the bus and clearly knows a little something as he is Boston’s lead assistant.
by Ryan243 on Feb 23, 2011 7:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I don't think he has alienated the entire roster
That’s speculation in my opinion.
Favors wants to be a Net. Lopez wants to be a Net. Morrow wants to be a Net. Farmar wants to be a Net. Humphries wants to be a Net. Vujacic wants to be a Net.
I could go on and on. I think they like Avery, it’s just not working right now.
The Nets #1 priority in the off-season should be to hire a coach to run the offense. Avery clearly should focus on defense, energy and morale.
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Frank had no leverage
I’d rather have Avery than Frank.
This team plays very very hard, regardless of the outcome.
That could not be said for Frank’s teams.
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
So, what are the chances Lopez re-signs here?
Are we gonna have to prepare for a “the decision: lopez edition” next year?
How much will Brook’s frustration with Avery and Avery’s frustration with Brook’s rebounding play into this? If Avery manages to alienate ALL of our players, is it safe to say that it’s time to fire him?
by muwu on Feb 23, 2011 7:08 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Try and trade Lopez and Favors for Howard. Lopez is gonna be outta here unless we start winning. Like i said b4 i dont think he is the guy that LOVES bball. I believe he is just a big dude thats good at it and he knows it pays well. When you dont love what you do and its not enjpoyable that is a situation you dont want to stay around too long.
people tend to discount this
I dont…and it may come earlier. If there wasnt CBA negotiations, the Nets could resign him this summer.
I'm really curious what the parameters of the new cba will be. Perhaps there is nowhere
Lopez can go. Perhaps sign and trade is a more powerful tool. Lopez is a solid player, but he’s not the guy who takes us to the finals.
This spring...
From the team that brought you Jamaal Magliore… Yi Jianlian… Bobby Simmons… And Troy Murphy… Comes the next exciting installment in the “Big Man Who Fell From Grace To Still Disappoint” Series… GREG ODEN.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Feb 23, 2011 7:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
It's worth a shot...IMO
What is there to lose? He could be the best backup C in the league.
Give him 10-15 minutes a night. That works for me.
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
This trade will show alot...
If they do the Dallas trade it shows this team is desperate to do something. That move is nonsensical. Even if we get Jones back how good can he be? He cant get a crack at playing time over Terry and Stevenson?
The Portland deal makes sense in everyway. Pryzbillya retires and we see what Oden has left. Miller will make the team better. He will also be a good study for Uzoh.
Btw Damian James should be frothing at the mouth to get in these games and prove he can play at a high level. He has the confidence and now is his chance to back it up.
+1
Lets have a poll to keep Devin if a good deal can’t be reached.
Thats wat ive been saying!
Official Member of the "I Hate the Heat" Movement
by Mike Viola on Feb 23, 2011 7:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just Keep Devin.
When Devin was playing his best, he was one of the best PGs in NBA.
The problem is getting along with Avery.
We should have a poll to keep Devin if there isn’t a good alternative.
Why are people not familiar with the Nets saying that Devin’s production was steadily going down.
It went down because of the Proky deal, which wasn’t Devin’s fault.
His assists went up after Jan 18, for a while, and people were not complaining that his pts. went down, because finally he was becoming a pass-first PG. Now we see that it is being used against him because his scoring dropped off.
Finally he was expected to be traded again for Melo and his production understandably went down during the past couple of weeks?
This is the time for Proky and BKing to step in and get Avery and Devin back together and to give Devin some reassurance. This team can play better for the remainder of the season if DJames can perform at SF.
Devin doesn't want to be with the Nets anymore
What use is assurance from Proky and King, when last time they said something, it turned out to be a lie?
“We’re backing out of trade talks”
Guys are relieved, start playing better
“We’re back in Melo trade talks”
How is he supposed to believe them? He knows he’s expendable here. Why keep wasting team on a losing team that will trade you first chance they have or will lie about it?
Tell him to wait till the offseason if we cant get a deal done. This is his fault also. He has played like a girl this season and has led a team to 12 wins and 17wins in 2 yrs. You think Paul or Deron on last yrs team still only gets us 12 wins?
Chris Paul and Lopez alone should net 20wins, especially the Lopez of last season.
Harris poor play and attitude takes some blame here too.
Chris Paul is already taking a team of scrubs + David West to playoff spot
I bet he could do it with Lopez.
by sheepareevil on Feb 23, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with this
The damage has been done, we should apologize and trade him. But it makes no real difference if we trade him now or wait for the summer… Tell Devin to put some effort into it these last 2 months of the season to get his value up, and we’ll try to trade him somewhere nice. But there’s no point in making the trade just to make a trade.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Feb 23, 2011 7:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think he hates Avery
I think he is upset with management because he has been so loyal to this team. He is one of our captains and his name has been in trade talks constantly. I don’t blame him for asking to be moved.
But I think it’s less Avery and more management.
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Don't buy the Big Z comparison
Heard it a lot over the years, but Oden’s situation is so much worse.
Big Z played at least 78 games in six of his first nine seasons. He played 52.7% of the games in his first four seasons.
Greg Oden has played exactly 25% of the games in his first four seasons. He’s only played two possible seasons out of four, and missed the end of his senior year of high school leading into the start of his freshmen (and only) year in college. What’s worse is, it’s not the same injury every time. He’s hurt his wrist, both knees, his feet, ankles. The idea that he’s a sticking point for the Nets is kinda silly. If you’re already giving up on Devin and trading for a 35 year old PG, you don’t squabble over Greg Oden.
Doesn't change the fact that Z's injuries could very easily have ended his career
He missed pretty much 2 seasons, and still has screws in his foot.
Whether the injuries happened earlier or later doesn’t change the severity of the injuries or how they came back from it
And draft high!!
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?"
by strange-brew on Feb 23, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions
If this trade moves the Nets into the top 5, I'm all for it
Better shot at Irving.
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
I would love to see a healthy Oden on this team paired up with Lopez. Thats a serious big man tandem. Damn i am a dreamer.
Stern please give us the #1!!!!!
Are you not entertained??!!! We have suffered enough!
I'd like Oden to succeed anywhere
especially here. I actually prefered him to Durant when they came out, but I seriously think he should take Bill Walton’s advice and step away for a while. I’d be so more optimistic if he just had one chronic injury, but he’s just breaking bones all over his body. Forget the fact that he’s rich, I still feel bad for that kid. He hasn’t been healthy since he was a junior in high school.
Getting Oden now is similar to when the Nets got Sam Bowie back in 1989
During his rookie season, Bowie played in 76 games and averaged 10 points and 8.6 rebounds per game, earning a spot on the NBA All-Rookie Team. However, injuries limited him to only 63 games over the next four seasons, including only five during the 1986–87 and none in 1987–88. On June 24, 1989, Bowie, who had averaged 10.5 points per game with the Trail Blazers, was traded, along with a draft pick, to the New Jersey Nets in exchange for Buck Williams. Bowie’s four seasons in New Jersey were his healthiest and most successful; he averaged 12.8 points and 8.2 rebounds per game and never missed more than 20 games in a season.
Andre Miller – Will be amazing for the further development of Lopez & Favors
Greg Oden – Former # 1 overall pick, low risk, ridiculously high reward
I’d be very happy with this trade. Devin Harris can’t come back to the Nets. He and Avery can not co-exist anymore. It’s time to make the best of a bad situation.
by femdig on Feb 23, 2011 7:28 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
Green it for history lesson!
- I… did not know that.
"Nobody in the league can guard you one-on-one," Johnson bellowed from the sideline. "It's an insult to you if they try."
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
Sooooo in your model...
Our HIGHEST hopes for Oden are that he only misses a quarter of the season? And that’s after he plays 60 games in his first 5 years?
Oh boy.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Feb 23, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
PLAYING
Is the operative word. ODEN could put up 50 PPG and grab 30 RPG, but if he’s only healthy for 10 games a year, I’d rather Petro.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Feb 23, 2011 7:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How can you know that Oden's injury issues will continue to plague him forever?
He’s 23. He’s not near the end of his career, he could play for another decade for all we know
He probably will too.
He could get injured every year for the next 10 years and teams would still be willing to offer one year deals hoping to tap into some of that potential lol.
I don't know.
But what we DO know is that the guy’s been troubled by injuries before he went pro, and since then, he’s had 2 season ending injuries. Not from a nasty fall or awkward landing either. To say all that’s not a serious problem is silly.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Feb 23, 2011 8:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I felt bad for Oden, kid has so much potential
with that said, even though he’s out for the season, and expiring, I’d much rather have him than Butler..why? You don’t find 7 footers with that much skillset everyday. and he’s YOUNG.
add a pick, do what you will, but go for Miller/Oden. NOT Dallas.
^Great Bowie comparision too!
He's not really that young
Age is just a number. All you have to do is look at Oden physically as well as his injury track record to know that he does not have the true body of a 24 or 25 year old.
I would be happy with an Oden trade
So much upside that it is worth the risk… considering no other offer is very enticing. At least this trade could add some intrigue over what could be. Plus Oden is a great kid and very easy to root for.
it would be nice to trade for players who arent injured
The dallas deal is a joke two injured players for harris? Cmon. The only injured guy id take a chance on is Oden. There are no other teams interested in Harris? Not even Charlotte?
I'd take DJ Augustin right now if they'd trade him for Harris
But would they? He’s been doing pretty alright on his own there
Larry Brown didn't like Augustin
but Paul Silas does. Predictably, all their trade talk quited down once Brown left.
Who wants to start fire Avery Chants?
Anybody???
Ok I’ll do it Shawn Carter style…
FIRE AVERY JOHNSON!!! HOLLLLLLLAAAAA!
by OHNUTS on Feb 23, 2011 7:52 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thank you... Thank you very much
I’ll be here all day all night…
I don't think bling890 was referring to you.
Section 4 Row 7 @ Prudential
They won't trade Wallace for Harris
They already have Augustin at PG. And that trade wouldn’t really make them any better, or significantly younger, or cheaper
Just saw part of the interview with Prokhorov on CNBC
He’s quite the guy. The team is in good hands.
what did he says?
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Feb 23, 2011 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
i'm sure Brooklyn will rock
but a basketball team needs good players..not just a great arena
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Feb 23, 2011 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Stop Dreaming on Kyrie Irving
Guys, as a current Duke University student seeing people including Kyrie in their lineups for next year is pretty maddening.
Trust me, I’d love nothing more for him to come out and for us to be lucky enough to snag him. But he isn’t going anywhere. K hates one and done guys period, Kyrie wasn’t going to be one to begin with and he certainly isn’t going to be now after barely playing in a handful of games.
Money talks
Once big name agents get in your ear giving you advice to declare now, once family and friends tell you to go for it, things change.
a kerry kittles screen name
somethin new every day.
Isn’t Oden a RFA after this year? Are the NETS really going to ante up for him (10M a year) to match other offers when in fact his injuries may limit his abilities in the future? Isn’t getting him a moot point as he will be gone soon enough anyhow without ever having played a game for the NETS?
The QO is around 9 million
That doesn’t mean that has to be the basis of the offer, you could give him a minimum contract offer sheet if you wanted.
To summarize, a restricted free agent essentially has four options:
He can accept his prior team’s qualifying offer, play for one season, and become a free agent again the following summer.
He can accept his prior team’s maximum qualifying offer (if applicable, and if one has been submitted) and play under a long-term contract at the maximum salary.
He can sign an offer sheet with another team, which his prior team is given the opportunity to match.
He can negotiate a new contract with his prior team that is independent of the qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer.
He could simply accept the QO like David Lee and Ben Gordon did, then we get to see if he’s worth resigning, and he gets to prove everyone he’s still worth something. We have cap space that we aren’t gonna use for anyone major, so we can afford for him to take a 9 million QO for a year.
Who is going to give Oden a ridiculous amount of money?
Nets have leverage here
by ZR on Feb 23, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Um ... CBA
We slap a franchise tag on him and we got him locked. That’s if they work that into the next CBA.
A disappointed fan
by imdkidd on Feb 23, 2011 9:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so tireed of all the bs
We can’t seem to get any talented players and now it appears we can’t trade for anything but cap space, picks and injured players…. wtf?? This blows!!!!
SO MUCH FOR GOING AFTER HIS NECK!
by Mike28Live on Feb 23, 2011 8:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Mike and Mike
Saod basketball cba is going to bring about radical changes! The “havenots” do not wanna be farm teams etc,
They think that basketball is gonna have a year off,
Thats amazing! Take a year off. Make the heat, knicks, celtics waste a year
Then we come back witu all of our assets and the new rules, we can make a faster turnaround.
I would acquire as many assets as possible
Official Member of the "I Hate the Heat" Movement
by Mike Viola on Feb 23, 2011 8:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed
at this point, we need to be in the best position possible for when the league resumes. Teams will be looking to shed salary and we need to be able to get in on players that will have no choice.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 23, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
and are one of few teams who benefit from NOT playing games
at least no one’s value will drop if there’s a lock-out
they would get a 2nd round pick in the deal like initially rumored
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 23, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
oh my fault...
didn’t realize i put Darrell in the deal
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 23, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
Not happening
Why would a franchise finally moving in the right direction trade Granger and. Collison for an often injured point guard in Harris and draft picks? If anything the Nets should hope we can pry Paul George, he seems to be a Danny Granger 2.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjtSg280uJY
The arrogance that Amare displays in this press conference is what drives me bananas.
If he wasnt hurt all of the time you would see Oden cracking jokes like Shaq or Dwight
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
as much as I am annoyed with what had happened w/ this whole melodrama… i still think that this franchise is heading in the right direction. Sadly for a few more years we will not even be mediocre but we will be contenders. Who knows what this CBA will bring… Even though right now we don’t have any superstars, they will come. We will be a big money market. MSG is real… players walk in and out of it, the know how the crowd is.. Brooklyn is not, but once it is, players will realize it. We just need patience right now and we need to still root for a team despite how poor they play.
Grant Hill
Grant Hill has now played 243 out of 246 possible games the last 3 seasons, even past the age of 35.
compare that when he only played 200 out of 492 games in Orlando.
You tell me that 23 year old Oden can’t turn this around
by muwu on Feb 23, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
70
80
80
81
50
74
That’s Grant Hill’s first six seasons. With Hill, we hoped he could stay on the court the way he’d already show he could. With Oden we hope he can be something he’s never been.
Again, late or early does not change the severity of injuries
Grant Hill could very easily have just ended his career. Yet he’s been able to bounce back.
Whether a major injury happens in your first year in the league or your 10th, guys have come back from major things
It would be hilarious to see a huge poster of Greg Oden's old man face in Brooklyn.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
vs.
Hopefully the Billboards don’t take it there
by SovietBrooklyn on Feb 23, 2011 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
OH HELL NAW
MY EYES
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
ahaha
it’s too early for that.
hell, it’s ALWAYS too early for that.
I just spit my OJ everywhere.
I have seen the Oden picture before but the STAT one is totally uncalled for.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
NOT EVEN A SUBJECT LINE BRO???
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah that should be an automatic banning for life.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Feb 23, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
totally
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
The Blueprint for Greatness
Comically is no longer what players we are able to sign or draft – but the new CBA…….
In Collective Bargaining we trust!
and then go talk to Denver again and bring back K Mart, Chicago for Scalabrine.
Forget All New, Only way this team will be relevant is if we go back to the Old
Whose name is D.J. will be out for the first season
Dominique Jones
Damion James
D*mi J**es
this name sucks.
i want oden
With no chance of playoff’s we never stood a chance in the recent melo conversation
But oden if healthy is the bigger superstar has talents and impact rivaling the best of the best
by SunilP on Feb 23, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Blazersedge does not seem happy about trading Oden.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
I’d be a little depressed about giving up on the guy my team picked over Kevin Durant too.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Feb 23, 2011 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
The big problem with Oden is that he's clearly 40 years older than he claims.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Feb 23, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
What exactly are we risking if we Oden takes a 1 year qualifying offer?
(Much like how David Lee and Ben Gordon took 1 year qualifying offers to become a unrestricted free agent the following year)
dump aj, keep harris
and i’m not even a big harris guy but i can’t see giving up talent for nothing. i don’t want oden, he’s clearly 60 years old plus he’s too weird & creepy.
by drmagoo on Feb 23, 2011 8:44 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Weird and creepy doesn't mean anything
It did wonders for Dennis Rodman.
A disappointed fan
by imdkidd on Feb 23, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is why Amare is worth 100 million
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=howard_johnette&id=6148697
Even if his knees last only two to three seasons in NYC…u take a gamble and studs like Amare so you can attract other stars.
NY Mets were ripped when thy overpaid for Pedro Martinez, but it helped make them look like a destination for FAs for the next couple years….the only reason other FAs didn’t come was the Mets ownership not wanting to dish out the big time contracts to anyone else. But Pedro’s effect made the Mets look like an up and coming team for a couple years there. I have to believe a better ownership group would’ve brought the Mets closer to elite status, kinda how Dolan/Walsh is building around Amare, despite the risk of his knees going out.
pg dilemma if we don't get miller?
kerber writes that no miller would be a problem. a problem how? keep them out of the playoffs? i bet humphries bails after the season unless you vastly overpay him. i’m officially down on the front office. you waste more than half a year on a guy who won’t play for you and that leads to trading your best player for garbage? i’m starting to miss ratner
by drmagoo on Feb 23, 2011 8:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hump will take less...
…cuz Kim K. will tell him too. lol.
lol PG dilemma
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
WTH is this?
We are giving up our best asset for this? We have basically shot ourselves in the foot by deflating the value of all of our serviceable assets to the point where trades like this are our only options. Boy being a NETS fan is not the easiest in the world….I think i might be joining the Fire Avery Movement soon. I have never been 100% sold on his ballooned winning percentage (he inherited a winning playoff team) or his player development skills.
Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
Machine and Ammo locked and loaded!
by cedaghost on Feb 23, 2011 8:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
the events of last summer and then the whole melodrama...
…is like sliding down a slide of broken glass then landing into a pool of rubbing alcohol. Sad part is, we’re still sliding, the landing part into the pool of alcohol will be at around 3PM tomorrow afternoon.
Logically looking at it.
Why would Portland include Oden? He is a GREAT talent…and if Portland still believes in him…then there’s no chance he’s included in this deal.
NoMelo Era Record: 7-9
The same reason he isn't extended
He’s still a risk. They have Roy’s max contract on their books already, and Roy might only be able to play for 2 more years and that’s if he plays off the bench. They have Aldridge’s 70 million dollar contract on their books. They don’t know whether to rebuild or keep trying to contend. They’re juggling a lot of risky things right now, and Oden is another one of them
Not at a cheap price though
they’d ask for a good first rounder for him. Maybe the Nets 2011 or 2012 pick, or the GS pick at the very least
It's precisely this over-inflated evaluation of talent that has kept Portland status quo over the last few years
They need to make the next jump. They can’t just waste the careers of their current stars due to this infatuation with harvesting young talent.
A disappointed fan
by imdkidd on Feb 23, 2011 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
AJ must go
Lobbied for Outlaw…alienated Murphy and Devin – now dealing them for pennies….Proky is too busy with his vacations and super models….Russian Cuban my $%#$$ – Cuban is actually around his team and wouldnt put up with this kind of nonsense.
by stinka dare on Feb 23, 2011 9:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He put up with Avery for 2 years. Just saying.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Want to know when you can see draft lottery prospects on TV? Go to this post: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/1/21/1948224/top-2011-draft-lottery-prospects-in-nationally-televised-ncaa-games
Actually from 2004-2008 SMH
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Want to know when you can see draft lottery prospects on TV? Go to this post: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/1/21/1948224/top-2011-draft-lottery-prospects-in-nationally-televised-ncaa-games
when it became clear Kidd didn't want to play for AJ
is probably how it should be worded.
So the trend shows
Point guards are not his cup of tea.
Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
Machine and Ammo locked and loaded!
Hence why players act like we have cooties or something
And refuse to have anything to do with us. Those who do want to be a part of the NETS get traded. Lucky us huh
Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
Machine and Ammo locked and loaded!
I love the proposed trades on this site.
How about Harris, Murphy, Outlaw, and the Lakers pick for LeBron, Bosh, and Mike Miller? And Then Farmar, Vujacic and a second round pick for Kobe?
I don't know about that...
Could be a little weak at the reserve 2
"Nobody in the league can guard you one-on-one," Johnson bellowed from the sideline. "It's an insult to you if they try."
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
Haha
The funniest part is that, according to Hollinger’s Analysis, the trade decreases Miami’s wins by 14 and the Lakers’ wins by 12, but only increases the Nets wins by 6!
I’ve never thought Hollinger is all that great, but he is right on the mark here – the Nets could acquire LeBron, Bosh and Kobe and they STILL wouldn’t be a playoff team!!!
Put top 40 protection on 2nd rounder
And we may have ourselves a deal I can agree with.
I'd like to see if Philadelphia would consider trading Jrue Holiday as well
Since they’re making a playoff push, perhaps they’d like a veteran like Harris instead
Or maybe other guys like Eric Maynor, who I think is a pretty good point guard
Oden/Murphy
I do not believe Greg Oden’s body will allow him to play professional basketball. If he can come back I do not anticipate that he could be a 30+ minutes, 65+ games a season player. Ever. But because he’s Greg Oden, he’ll be paid like he is such a player. In sum, I think he’ll be more trouble than he’s worth.
As for Murphy, why are the Nets taking on worthless players and salary for next year? Just let Murphy go. Pay him off and send him on his way. Why is there this need to always get something in return for a player, even when that something in return is worthless? I don’t get the logic here…
wish we could have jared dudley…really like him. doesnt have a big role with the suns.
NoMelo Era Record: 7-9
The disarray of this team is SHOCKING right now
Anybody else get the idea that NO ONE in the FO knows what to do? They appear to be scrambling for anything. Any perceived or real asset that is available- they are making a play at it.
Honestly, I will feel much better if the FO walks away from a bad deal and keeps Harris. He’s a player who is under contract. Boo Hoo, You don’t get along with your coach. So what. He and Avery need to have some cookies and milk, shut their mouths, and get back in the sand box. Ridiculous.
"Nobody in the league can guard you one-on-one," Johnson bellowed from the sideline. "It's an insult to you if they try."
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
johnschuhmann John Schuhmann
Assets that Avery Johnson & the Nets have devalued this season: Harris, Lopez, Murphy & T.Williams.
and Prokhorov
(to be fair, Prokhorov helped devalue himself)
Avery at a low level
but Prokhorov at a high level. Ultimately, he’s responsible for setting the agenda for these two years in Newark. I can say it has gone swimmingly so far, has it not? The guy is NBA dumb and actually quite the liar.
Prokhorov's record in getting stars is now 0-3. I can no longer give him a free pass. He whiffed in Summer 2010 and twice with Melo. He said he could convince "the best of the best" to play here. He also said the buck stops with him. Well, Dolan got Stoudemire and Melo. What has Prokhorov accomplished? He's shaping up to be a blowhard failure.
and Prokhorov's agenda of "star chasing" has caused more harm than good -- that's my bottom line
Prokhorov's record in getting stars is now 0-3. I can no longer give him a free pass. He whiffed in Summer 2010 and twice with Melo. He said he could convince "the best of the best" to play here. He also said the buck stops with him. Well, Dolan got Stoudemire and Melo. What has Prokhorov accomplished? He's shaping up to be a blowhard failure.
I don't see how T-Will was devalued.
Would a team really have given us more than Sasha + two 1st round picks for him?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Want to know when you can see draft lottery prospects on TV? Go to this post: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/1/21/1948224/top-2011-draft-lottery-prospects-in-nationally-televised-ncaa-games
BK doesn't get the blame there
He did a great job getting what he got for T-Will. Its Avery’s penchant to just dump whoever he has trouble getting along with that is troublesome. Wouldn’t I love to just fire any employee working under me just because we don’t get along. However, the organization needs to judge politics vs. a real problem. Same applies here.
A disappointed fan
not to mention
Avery’s stock dropped, the owner’s and organizations stock has severely fallen off. i’d say t-will stock didn’t drop too far, considering we were actually able to move him
**BREAKING** Oden shattered into a thousand pieces
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/careless-blazers-goofing-around-with-basketball-sh,18448/
Proky and Avery: the new Dolan and Isiah!
by calling all toasters on Feb 23, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions
A piece of Oden is better than Lopez on defense
Life as a Net fan
Can it get any worse? There's always tomorrow.
c'mon now
greg oden has knees made of peanut brittle.
just read this rumor
i wonder if theres any truth
artest/shanon brown/luke walton
for
devin or jordan and troy murphy
i like this deal
by mightymosdefinition on Feb 23, 2011 9:35 AM EST reply actions
you can't have it both ways
you can’t bust proky’s balls for trying to get the best players in the world and then give him grief because he didn’t succeed. the nets were 12-70 last year. they’re in a temporary arena. their new arena isn’t even built yet. they have poor attendance. in other words, they are not an attractive agenda. moreover, all the guys the nets failed to get – amare, lebron, bosh, wade, melo – had an agenda and the nets were not a part of that agenda. and other, lesser lights – lee, gay, etc. got overpaid so much that you can’t fault proky for not getting them. i’d much rather have an owner that’s willing to spend and wants his team to win than an owner that’s satisfied to save some cash and have a second-rate team.
amen
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Want to know when you can see draft lottery prospects on TV? Go to this post: http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/1/21/1948224/top-2011-draft-lottery-prospects-in-nationally-televised-ncaa-games
I'm sorry, but the
way they played this whole thing was terrible. Lies to the players and fans for months and then NOTHING.
And what would've happened if the rat was still in charge?
Nothing, nothing…lose Devin because we don’t want to pay him, nothing, nothing aaaaaaaaand bankruptcy. Hello KC
Seriously guys, Rome wasn’t built in a day. Not everything is going to go right from day 1. We have a big history as an underwhelming franchise going against us, but for the first time in a while the team is out of financial trouble, and our owner really cares about what’s going on. Prokhorov is NOT the problem.
Avery Johnson needs to be fired
the Nets will have to eat that contract.
I thought about Harris for a second and he hasn’t been awful this season on or off the floor to the point where I’d want to trade him in either of these deals. The butler expiring could be useful but no one wants to sign here. He needs help. I am not adverse to keeping him but you have to weigh the fact that the Nets are not in any position to compete in the next 2-3 years, we need a PG that is a better play maker to maximize the value of Brook and Derrick, plus he’s disgruntled.
If we have to make any deal I suppose it’s the portland deal. At least we’re getting a serviceable player in Miller with a team option on his deal for next season.
But I say Avery needs to be fired, or lose significant power in the organization, because he has really screwed up here. When you read stuff like this:
Assets that Avery Johnson & the Nets have devalued this season: Harris, Lopez, Murphy & T.Williams.
It’s a fair point to make. Williams is a knuckle head but there is no excuse really for Harris and Lopez. Murphy was injured and out of shape but I can’t fathom why he still can’t be a productive player, he’s not THAT old. Avery has alienated players. We can’t have this kind of garbage going on with a young team. No one is going to want to play for him once word gets out amongst the players about what went on behind the scenes. The Harris situation is an embarrassment. He kept his mouth shut this year and gave a decent effort, first time in his career as a Net where I saw an actual commitment to play defense. He is not perfect, but he is NOT the problem. The Nets have taken a dump on him with their actions. Regardless of the pay, don’t lie to people’s faces and expect someone to be a good soldier after the fact.
We make fun of Dolan and the mess that he’s causing within his own organization but there are a lot of mistakes coming from the top and they need to get things right ASAP. We have too many draft picks and young guys. We need order, understanding, and a commitment to development. Coaching is not alienation, it’s supposed to be about leadership and teaching. I don’t mind the tough love part. But you do it in a way where ultimately the player understands that it’s for his own good.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
Speaking of 2k11...
I got traded to the Nets in my career mode. I look at recent transactions and see the Nets also traded Morrow and a 1st round pick for just Brandan Wright. Almost spit out my mountain dew.
by netsyanksgiants on Feb 23, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
But what's funnier
I played my franchise a little while later (all this happened yesterday) and simmed a few games. My first trade offer was from the Knicks – Murphy/Favors for Amare/Chandler. I happily accepted. They really need to fix the trade logic for 2k12.
by netsyanksgiants on Feb 23, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Harris has been good, but what value does he have on a rebuilding team?
Andre Miller is not the long term answer, but he will be helpful for Damion James, Derrick Favors and Brook Lopez until Brooklyn.
Who knows, maybe we’ll get lucky and find a PG in the draft. The most successful teams still owe a great deal of their success to dumb luck.
Yeah but surely you can find a better offer from Harris than Caron Butler
Me personally, I’d wait until draft day or maybe next year. You never know when situations change. Teams that might not want Harris now, might want him months from now
Sources close to the situation tell me the Nets are considering a trade sending Brook Lopez to Atlanta for Zaza Pachulia and Hawks’ 2030 first rd pick. Zaza plays hard. Avery loves him, he has a great track record with players other have given up on.
Brook is not an Avery guy, so we must sell high before we can’t even get that 2030 pick, which the Nets intend to use to draft TJ Kidd’s son.
God help us
That would leave Jordan Farmar and Ben Uzoh as the Nets’ points.
Jeez, just when I thought this team couldn’t be more unwatchable.
seriously what the hell is going on.
After these trades…The nets will be the worst in the league again.
NoMelo Era Record: 7-9
Well with a strong 2012 draft class, maybe not the worst thing in the world
I’ve got my eye on Gilchrist, whose calling card is defense
Nobody here tought our situation
could be this bad in 5 days
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Feb 23, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
This is getting out of control.
We are going in circles!
Help! I'm a Nets fan :(
Machine and Ammo locked and loaded!
Yormark's Email Address
I think we need to flood his email inbox with our concerns. We all thought last season would be the worst one, but now we know how much worse it can get. We will have an average attendance of 4,000.
Is there a chance that a trade we haven't heard of might take place?
Maybe something is in the works for an all-star-ish player and Nets don’t want any details leaking.
Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking. But wishful thinking is all Nets fans really have anyway.
by netsyanksgiants on Feb 23, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions
I never thought that...
He’s a Diva, and Diva’s long for the spotlight..
by BubbaMcBubba on Feb 23, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously
If, like Stein reports, the Hawks are offering Bibby, I’d take him over the crap Dallas is offering.
i wonder if
they will play the fight game where he punched someone on the nix than ran half way across the court
by mightymosdefinition on Feb 23, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Marvin is definitely better than Outlaw.
Section 4 Row 7 @ Prudential
Farmar can run the team for 2 months
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Feb 23, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
Plus..
I really think Uzi is a diamond in the rough..He needs playing time..
by BubbaMcBubba on Feb 23, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Getting Oden would be interesting at least
I bet they ask for more than Harris to pull that off. Teams smell the desperation in the nets
Need a PG, Marvin or Josh. They would slide Horford to PF and so Josh or Marvin are expendable. Not a bad thing.
Harris for Butler is risky, cause Butler probably walks.
What if there is no season next year
what is the order for the 2012 draft?
by Michael Kaufmann on Feb 23, 2011 10:08 AM EST reply actions
Why not try to trade for
Gerald Wallace or Danny Granger? Send Harris,Murphy, and a draft pick or two.
I’ll up it to 250. Hah hah now the nets will for sure trade with me
by Michael Kaufmann on Feb 23, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
What Was Once Promising Has Come Into Question
I gotta say, the Nets might be the worst negotiating team in the league. Murphy has absolutely no value, a large majority of that can be placed on Avery who didn’t allow him to play through rust and refused to let him remain with the team, but some blame also goes to King who publicly announced that the Nets were looking to trade Murphy and that he had “demanded a trade.” He later backed off his words in attempt to uphold some semblance of value, but the deed was already done.
Despite what many Nets fans might believe, Harris has the talent to be a top-12 point-guard in this league. He’s one of the quicker (and faster) players in the league, an extremely cerebral player, a good defender and a very good third-option on a winning team. How they have managed to deplete his value so much that he can’t even be had for an expiring, a young late first-round draft pick (who’s out for the season) and a late first-round pick is amazing.
My hat goes off to King and Avery for managing to set this franchise back two years. Coming in to the season I thought that the Nets had a very promising future on the court, however since Avery’s inception it feels as if the Nets have taken several steps backwards. I no longer feel that the Nets have one of the league’s most promising futures, yes they have draft picks, but they have desecrated what was once a promising roster.
I’m inclined to place the majority of the blame on Avery, but there are many who will defend him. He pushed for Outlaw, he wanted to trade TWill, he didn’t allow Murphy to get back into form, he played Graham and Ross over James, he told Lopez to stop rebounding, he told Lopez to shoot more from the outside, he butted heads with Harris, he created the putrid offensive sets that the Nets utilize (not in the real sense of the word) every night and he puts out some of the most questionable rotations I’ve ever seen night in and night out, yet to some he’s not at fault. Maybe I’m crazy or maybe I just don’t like Avery, but he’s to blame for a lot of this.
Hopefully the Nets can move forward in a more effective fashion than they have done throughout the past seven months, truth is I’m not too confident. I do know one thing though, Brooklyn will change things. Players have no interest in playing for the Nets currently, maybe it’s the name or maybe it’s Jersey, but something has to change. It’s possible that the Nets should change their name, maybe the stink of the franchise will forever remain in the name and making a tangible transformation will alter the negative perception — I don’t know — one thing’s for sure though, it’s not all new.
The Token Black-Jew
by NBRITM on Feb 23, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
What started out as a joke, has turned into a disaster.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Feb 23, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
It's very symbolic, actually.
Apollo Creed is the Nets, and Ivan Drago, the big Russian… well I’m not sure who he represents, but I’ll figure it out.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Feb 23, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
I guess I’m sliding down your favorite posters big board. What can I do?
by Dr. Goodtimes on Feb 23, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Take over as GM because from your track record I’m inclined to deduce that you’re a more effective negotiator than King. I’ll be your reference, just let me know when you need me.
The Token Black-Jew
Done
First act: Permanently seat Kim Kardashian next to the opposing bench and give her a box of lollipops.
Second act: Bring back Jayson Williams.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Feb 23, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Third act: Put Brook Lopez in a room and make him watch as you burn EVERY SINGLE comic book that he owns.
Fourth Act: Neutralize the Outlaw
Fifth Act: Apologize to TWill and bring him back with open-arms
Sixth Act: Find Jason Kidd’s son and use his head as foundation to speed up the process of building the Barclays Center
The Token Black-Jew
rec'd
an absolute disgrace.
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Feb 23, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
agree 100%
also our biggest assets are our picks which hopefully will net us good young prospects, but already Avery has shown he hasn’t been able to develop young players..
by vicxdel on Feb 23, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING TO MEMPHIS
Harris for Mayo swap would benefit both teams soo much.
i was just goint to post this
or brooks ilke him too
by Pure baller15 on Feb 23, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
true
but devin has been passing the ball lately dont see a difference in the win column honestly brook having the ball is rough to watch he doesn know what to do when they double down maybe if brooks with his three point ability opens the game up more idk
by Pure baller15 on Feb 23, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Looking at the stats, I don’t see how Farmar can’t do the job Harris is leaving behind. Harris is averaging 15 pts and 7.6 assists in 32 minutes. Farmar is averaging 9 pts and 4.4 assists in 24 mins. Thats an 8 minute difference which is a good chunck of a quarter. If he were to play those extra 8 minutes, I believe he can get another 6 pts and 3 assists to make up the difference Harris is leaving behind.
As for brook, he’s averaging roughly 20 pts and 6 rebounds (averaged out) a game in an off year with yet again no help around him. He is constantly being double teamed all the while players just stand around and look at him giving him no outlet pass at times. If we had any other players on this team that could take the heat off Brook, he would de alot better in my opinion.
I don’t believe you ever let go of solid 7 ft centers who can also shoot specially from the free throw line. Every team needs a big regardless of how soft they are at times. A soft big is better than no big at all. While Brook is a soft big, he’s a really solid soft big lol.
lol i dont know if i could put solid and brook lopez in the same paragraph
but you are right shooting big man are hard to find
by Pure baller15 on Feb 23, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
You got it.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Feb 23, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Mayo And Randolph
We need to do something big and Zach Randolph would really benefit playing with Brook. Favors just isn’t going to cut it for another year or 2 and he would learn alot playing with Randolph.
I think we need to just ride it out with Favors starting for the rest of this season. We need to show him we are recomiting ourselves to him to help rebuild some confidence in him. Bringing in someone to start over him would put doubt in his head.
On the subject of Favors
The kid was the only person at the All-star Rookie game not wearing shoes in his teams color. He wore his college. He doesn’t really feel like part of the Nets.
This summer they better do a lot to show him how important he is to this team. And hopefully he gets to be the center of more plays and practices his jumper. I really feel like he is close to a break out.
D-Fav = My fave
at he rookie soph game?
Did you watch it on TNT. Spanarkel himself said “everyone is wearing these new socks and shoes tonight in their team colors, except for Derrick Favors. He says he is wearing yellow for Georgia Tech, because he doesn’t know what team he will be playing for in the NBA.”
He gave up on the Nets, because he felt liek they gave up on him.
D-Fav = My fave
We can't treat him like a 5 year old
I’ll never understand the whole “we need to show him love” I get that we can’t alienate players, but it’s dumb to not bring in somebody who can help the team in fear that we might hurt another player’s feelings. Favors has to become mature/grow up in order to get better anyway.
by netsyanksgiants on Feb 23, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
It isn't so much about making him feel bad
I just don’t think it is necessary. Favors is good. He isn’t great, but i think he will be. And if not, he will always be a good, solid player.
We have so many garbage positions right now, and PF is one of, if not our best. Why hustle people around over Favors when so many other areas need improvement more.
D-Fav = My fave
I understand but its not so much about his feelings, its more about him being an investment. We are hoping he’ll be our starting 4 for the next decade so we need to work towards building that. He’ll grow and learn through playing time and experience. Bring a veteran in the summer or something to work with him one on one. Fudge, might as well bring in Karl Malone lol, he ain’t doing anything as far as I know lol.
I would be O.K. with this..
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4dff53d
Favors would have to play the five, but like Amare, Al Horford, or even David Lee, he might be better off there while he develops..
Why do the Nets keeping leaking
That there players requested trades smh. I would trade Harris to the Kings for Casspi and udrich or however you spell his name.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Feb 23, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I replied
@brettyormark we want AVERY gone!
by Andres B on Feb 23, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
same here Avery has to go
R.I.P. To Dwayne McDuffie for making milestones. GodSpeed
by killa kadafi191 on Feb 23, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey they doing the best they can given the fact that everyone and their mothers see NJ as the plauge for some reason. Even career scrubs are threatening leaving the country if they get traded here.
Would you guys do this?
Terry
Mahinmi
D.Jones
for
Harris
Petro
Dallas gets to hold on to Butler who is an expiring contract and a possibility to come back for the playoffs.
NJ gets a player that can man the point in place of Harris (somewhat) and expirers after next season. We also get rid of Petro and find a much cheaper and better IMO replacement in Mahinmi.
eLone, will you renew?
I buy my tix through stubhub for literally pennies on the dollar. Why would you buy season tickets. What is the advantage at this point?
if this dump goes down I'm out too
tix since Calipari
by stinka dare on Feb 23, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I'm debating that question right now..
Leaning towards non-renewal.
Section 4 Row 7 @ Prudential
OMG
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Nets are on brink of getting Deron Williams in 3-team deal that will send Derrick Favors, Devin Harris and picks to Utah, sources tell Y
Brooklyn we go hard...
Nets close to landing D-Will????
Al Ianazone has it
Nets close to landing D-Will????
Al Ianazone has it
YES!!!
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I’m trying to re-focus on work today – so I haven’t read the comments yet. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Lopez walks when his contract is up (sometimes money isn’t everything). And if all our expirings walk at the end of the year – then we really will be a D-League team moving into Brooklyn. Will Proky bolt too? Why would he stay and watch his investment wither? The Nets aren’t that important to him. Compared to when we let KMart go West, things are much worse now.
OMG DERON WILLIAMS
I was so busy crying in my beer, I had no idea!!! Finally some good news!
A lot of you are funny.
I, as many of you know, am all for when a coach is clearly not doing a good job he should be replaced. Has Avery done a great job? Not really, but to blame Harris and Murphy thing on Avery is total a reactionary position.
1) Harris has and always NOT been the answer at the PG position. He doesnt possess the court vision and leadership skills to be effective at the position. He tends to forget his role on this team and disregards his teammates. Ex. 3 on 2 fast breaks and Lopez fighting for position in the post. Remember Avery didnt see eye to eye with Harris in Dallas. Clearly Avery was and is expecting something else from him. That stretch where Harris had 10+ assists wasnt the usual Harris. That was the pissed off Harris. He was told to play differently and he didnt like it. He wasnt playing his game.
2) Murphy didnt help his game be getting hurt in the pre-season. Murphy took awhile to get back to game shape. Who’s fault was that? Maybe he thought his starting job was secured, but Avery, yes Avery, put a fire under Humps ass. Hump stepped up and took that job from Murphy. When given time, Murphy looked lost and dazed. His shot was off and he couldnt open jumpers. Who’s fault was that? When Hump full secured the starting job, Avery and Management realized that Lopez didnt need a STRETCH 4 next to him. A POWER 4 worked just as well. So the rotation of Hump and Favors were the better solution then Murphy. I guess Murphy complained especially since it was his contract year. then they realized that this situation wasnt going to work.
I am not making excuses for Avery because I would be the First person to say FIRE AVERY. As for the Lopez situation, it goes deeper then Avery. I saw that the Lopez’ were on the Disney Channel this weekend. SMH!!!!! Lopez needs to grow up. I am ok with them making appearances on the Disney Channel, but he is lost out there. It could be two fold LACK OF PG LEADERSHIP and Lopez reluctant to realize what HIS GAME SHOULD BE. IMO The Pick and pops arent his game. One game Lopez could be on FIRE from outside. Then the next HE thinks he is still on FIRE out there and is chucking BRICKS. Lopez must realize that the POST is where he belongs. Fighting for position, Posting up, Attacking the basket and trying to get fouls. This is where the PG leadership is lacking. A TRUE PG would look for Lopez in the post. If he isnt there, they would TELL him to post up. Why is it that lopez would have a GREAT First Half, 17-20 pts and then in the Second Half, he would get less shots? That is his fault. HE DOESNT walk the ball up the court.
I am all for Harris leaving. The best trade IMO is with Portland. If we can get Oden that is great, but MILLER is what I would really like. Even though he isnt long term solution, but to see a TRUE PG leading this team AGAIN is what I want.
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
I wont be able to take this again.....
Is this really true?? DWill could be coming? In trade talks…..can anyone verify this????
by Rp15x on Feb 23, 2011 11:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
IS it only me or Netsdaily's server is crashing??
Nets Basketball.. Where 5.8 rebs a game for a 7'0 center happens..
If All else fails.. BLAME JAY-Z.. PROKY.. BILLY, AVERY??
ummmmmmmmm where is the D will thread!
Our Kidd isback! Im sohappy lol this guy is so much more valuable than melo.
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
the deal
u dont hear about is always the one that happens
by mightymosdefinition on Feb 23, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions
i wanna see
how quick the tune changes around this place from yesterday to today about the russian
by mightymosdefinition on Feb 23, 2011 11:35 AM EST reply actions
GET THE BEST POINT GUARD IN THE LEAGUE
WHAT!!! GO BILLY KING!
they gave up half
of what they would give up for melo and got a better player
by mightymosdefinition on Feb 23, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Deron Williams….thats literally unbelievable
maybe will draft the next d-will and then be better than those knicks
wouldnt have to draft a point
if they got d-will they can take whoever, sullinger, kanter, jones, jones III, williams, etc and hope kyrie stays another year and then hope golden state pick goes unprotected and pray it goes top 5 and then toss up between austin rivers and kyrie irving
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 23, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
wowww holy god, i almost screamed in the middle of my anatomy class lmao
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
I'm greedy though
Would have loved to keep this years pick because the other two that would have gone for Melo weren’t worth nearly as much
by ArmchairQb68 on Feb 23, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
This was out of nowhere, im completely stunned.
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
woj said its official pending physicals and league approval
harris favors and two picks for d williams
and troy and cash for wright and gadzuric
if the picks are this years and gs i hope this years is top 5 protected
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 23, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions
this late in the season
they have to protect it. top 5 sounds reasonable especially since golden states is more than likely to be a lottery pick and favors was a lottery pick last year plus they still get harris
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Feb 23, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
WOW
shock value is huge and it SEEMS great…but that’s cuz it’s way better than the garbage we were hearing… We still can’t win without a scoring wing.
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
picture of D Williams still up on season ticket ad on Jazz website
Nets fans were spoiled by J-Kidd and hate on Devo for being less than legendary. Haters gonna hate. Spread the Harris Love!
Mark Stien Reports
Dwill not eligable to sign an extension b4 CBA expires. DWill is a great move and worth the risk. He can still walk after 1.5 years.
It will be good to see what Brandan Wright can do with some playing time.
Is he a PF or just a big SF? He is healthy now, his injury last year was a shoulder so at least it wasn’t a knee
HAHAH NICE
Al_Iannazzone
If Brook Lopez could rebound the way Billy King did, he would lead the league in boards.
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