With Free Agency Only a Day Away, No Resolution on Nets Aspirations
by Net Income on Dec 8, 2011 9:48 AM EST
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PrintCaron Butler remains in New Jersey Thursday for his second day of meetings, having arrived Wednesday afternoon, Ken Berger writes. Marc. J. Spear reports the Bulls remain the front runner for his services, at the $5 million MLE. Adrian Wojnarowski thinks the competition for Tyson Chandler is down to the Nets and Warriors, but Marc Cuban could swoop in at the last minute. Asking price for Chandler? Could be as high as $60 million over four years, reports the San Francisco Chronicle.
Nene? Not much out there. Colin Stephenson says the Nets are still pursuing him with others reporting that Larry Bird tried to talk Nene into accepting less money and play for the Pacers during a meeting Tuesday. The Nuggets are still in the picture as are the Rockets, who may lose Chuck Hayes to the Kings.
Otherwise, the Nets have been quiet. Many of the 11 players currently on the roster were at the PNY Center Wednesday, with Brook Lopez being seen and Anthony Morrow, Damion James, Marshon Brooks and Jordan Williams all tweeting about what a good workout they had. Presumably Johan Petro's workouts are less lonely now but continuing. Deron Williams arrived back in New York Wednesday night.
- Celtics still pushing hard to land Chris Paul - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- Free-agent buzz: Bulls lead Butler suitors - Marc J. Spears - Yahoo! Sports
- Warriors' push for Tyson Chandler will pay somehow - Rusty Simmons - San Francisco Chronicle
- Rockets may lose Hayes after Kings make $20 million offer - Jonathan Feigen - Houston Chronicle
- Caron Butler’s final four: Bulls, Spurs, Nets, Clippers - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Nene, Tyson Chandler among free-agent big men Nets are courting - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- NBA players still having it their way - Al Iannazzone - The Record
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60 over 4 years
In that case, go after NeNe. I thought chandler would be more of a 12 mil guy. I still don’t understand Butler for 4 years at 7 million.
4 years 28 mil
is right on par for Caron Butler’s talent and experience.
The Chandler contract is a bit much. I was thinking more like 4 years 48-52mil.
How so?
in 3 years he becomes an expiring contract, also known as a trade asset. You don’t think Caron Butler can be a starting SF that produces for us for 3 years?
So what your saying is
we shouldnt sign a SF this offseason then, and fix a HUGE hole in our starting line up?
Because all the Free Agents that are worth signing are over the age of 30. RJ, Butler, Prince, AK47.
I don't see a long term SF in the FA class
I say leave options open for trades. Expires or young tradable assets
No
Just kind of have to accept that no matter who we sign for the SF spot this year, except Thaddeus Young, is probably not gonna be a major contributor in some significant way
Will still be massive upgrade over Outlol at least
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I don't think (If we sign Chandler/NeNe) we would have any money left to sign anyone
So basically this would kind of be our team for 3 years. I doubt we can trade him for anything of value. Idk maybe I’m wrong but he doesn’t help us become contenders.
It's a necessary risk.
If after 2 years he isnt producing like we need him to, hopefully Damian James is able to assume the starting role. The following year trade him as an expiring contract since he would have 1 year left on his deal. Some sucker trying to clear cap will take him. 7mil is not that crazy of a contract in NBA terms.
7 millions has been a terrible number since the signing of Outlaw in 2010...
by jarkid on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Outlaw's contract is bad
But thats because Outlaw doesn’t perform on the court. Like i said 7mil isn’t a bad contract in NBA terms. Outlaw’s contract hasn’t hindered our ability to sign anyone. His contract is simply just bad because he has underperformed.
It would hinder our ability right now if not for the amnesty clause.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
there is also the stretch exception
which lessens the risk…as long as a team is willing to dump him.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Hey NI, do teams get amnesty just once during this CBA, or is this a yearly thing?
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It's all going to break fast
And probably surprise a bunch of people.
And then there will be rants. Oh lord, there will be rants.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Yup - I'm thinking we start hearing about "deals" and "signings" tonight
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
When's the CBA ratified at? Wasn't it like 5 PM?
So by 8 things should start leaking… and trades could begin tomorrow I assume?
voitng starts at 6 p.m.
goes to 4 p.m. Thursday about which time the Board of Governors are expected to ratify it in New York.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
4 p.m. FRIDAY
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I saw on hoopshype yesterday that teams can start making player transactions at 2PM. Its definitely 4PM?
definitely
You can try to keep things secret but theres always leaks. I anticipate a lot of rumors tonight about signings.
I hope the Nets shock us like they did with DWill
Butler is a good player but I’m not sure he can stay healthy. If we want to trade him who would take his contract if it doesn’t work?
ok, if i told you before the finals...
that tyson chandler was worth $15 million a year….
We would all say you were crazy... That is too much money for him...
His stats don’t warrant it. Neither does his history of durability…
any pics of Dwill at jayz's concert in dallas?
by Blkswizz on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I've asked.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I would rather
overpay for TC or Nene than Caron. I would also definitely prefer RJ at a fraction of the cost of Caron.
by NetsKiNG on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
7mil a year
is not overpaying for Caron Butler. I still cant believe that everyone things Butler is a joke. Career average is 15PPG and he’s averaged 20PPG a season twice in Washington. He is a very productive player.
I agree with breaking20
And would it surprise Nets fans if he accepted the Clippers offer over the Nets? Probably.
The free agents aren’t exactly lining up at our doors yet just b/c we’re going to Brooklyn. They want to see progress first.
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE STEPHEN GRAHAM" Movement
It's not his career PPG that people are worried about...
It’s the 20-something games a year he averaged over the last 2 seasons and the knee surgery he just had. Not comparing him with Outlaw the player, but I don’t see him coming back this year with the same quickness he once had. Not to mention during a condensed season with less days off.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wait, what?
He played 74 games the year before last year.
He’s not the most durable guy in that he never plays a full season, but the 29 games he played last year was an anomaly in his career.
Exactly
and the fact that this season is a tough short one, with many games in a week, he will probably be a 7 mil a year suit wearing teammate. No to Butler.
I rather RJ for cheaper
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
RJ would be more reliable than Butler
Butler’s minutes will have to be limited.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
So what exactly are you saying? I’m hearing hes too old, too injury prone…. so don’t sign any SF’s since that applies to pretty much all of them in FA lol? You have to take risks…. we need a starting SF.
Butler was ready to play last year in the playoffs. He’s been healthy for quite some time.
And as you see in Outlaw
7 million dollars can be a big risk.
by The Cole Train on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
That's just not true
I wouldn’t consider RJ injury prone. Or Tayshaun Prince.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
In his last 5 seasons Butler has played in 70 % of regular season games...
If he was a baseball player that would be equivalent of missing an average of 50 games a year for 5 straight years…
2006/2007 63
2007/2008 58
2008/2009 67
2009/2010 74
2010/2011 29
Very scary numbers…And he ain’t getting any younger.
58.2 games per year average
Pro-rate that out for a 66 game season.
58.2 / 82 × 66 = 46.84
You can expect Butler to play 47 games this season.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Is career average relevant at the end of one's career?
How important was MJ’s career average in Washington?
It is in this situation
Because his career average is actually 16PPG and he averaged 15PPG last season.
Who said hes at the end of his career? lol The man is only 31 years old. Sure hes not the same player he was 8 years ago but the averages indicate, as well as his play last season, that he is still a productive player.
LOL
Yes, he averaged 15 PPG last season… BUT PLAYED LESS THAN HALF THE SEASON. Did we learn NOTHING by signing Outlaw after coming back from a season ending injury? Even without the decline he’s likely to have based on his age alone, he’s coming off knee surgery. Into a condensed season. This does not bode well.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Dec 8, 2011 8:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Outlaw and Butler
are two completely different situations. The only thing that is similar is their 7mil base pay per season. Outlaw’s contract hasnt caused us to miss out on signing anyone. His contract hasn’t hurt us at all in any way, shape, or form. His contract sucks because he sucks. Do you really think Caron Butler sucks? lol Do you really think Caron Butler is an equal of Outlaws? lol
Butler is a far superior player than Outlaw. Outlaw got that contract because the 10 players before him we wanted to sign didnt sign with us and we had to overpay him because we needed a SF.
Butler is simply better then Outlaw. I don’t care what any of you say, he’s worth 7mil. I’m not concerned about the knee injury. Everyone hears knee injury and quickly assume the worse. He didnt tear his ACL or MCL…. those are the knee injuries you want to stay away from. Butler was ready to go last season, so im pretty sure he’s healthy.
Also im pretty sure a physical is mandatory when signing a new contract. If he doesnt pass the physical then he doesnt sign with us.
What don't you understand here?
The numbers are nice but if he’s not playing then it’s a waste of cap space.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Got to make a move...
Looking like D12 is out of the picture… for now.
We need to just make an offer for Nene and hope that Butler accepts our offer. Also got to bring back the Hump. We need to establish some relevance before the big FAs ever think about signing here.
I don’t know why so many people are praying for the homerun hit right now when only 2 seasons ago we were the historically awful team. I think if we make a good run in the playoffs this season, even if it’s a second round knockout, we’ll at least get more players’ attention
Official member of the "DO NOT TRADE STEPHEN GRAHAM" Movement
We have three guns in
Damion James
Anthony Morrow
and
MarShon Brooks
we all overlook them for big men. Hope we can see much from these three this season.
We definitely will
Morrow and Brooks will split time at the 2, which is why we arent going after a SG. James will be the back up 3 behind a starting SF that we sign in FA. (Butler, Prince, AK47, RJ)
All 3 will get playing time. My gut tells me that Brooks will be the starting SG by the end of the season and showing potential to be a star player in the league. He’s going to surprise A LOT of people.
I totally agree...
We are under-estimating the young talent we already have. Marshon has star potential…
i like brooks too..
but lets temper expectations a little bit. i’m ok with him developing into a nick young kind of player with more defensive potential in his first season or two.
we're not underestimating, we're just not making any assumptions yet
Marshon hasn’t played a game in the NBA yet, and he was a late 1st round pick in a weak draft. James played like 20 games last year. Excuse us for not wanting a bit of an upgrade at the wings. I’d love for the guys we have now to be the answer, but that’s a big leap of faith to make right now.
by sheepareevil on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
all possible trade bait
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
That's not even funny
I have’nt liked a net player since VC , I like Beooks and your talking trade bait…
by Zartan on Dec 8, 2011 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if he's the deal breaker between Dwight or no Dwight
are you going to say no?
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think either of them taking 60 millons in four years would be okay
since we can not lose any big FA this season.
Think about losing Amare, LeBron, Boozer last season.
Now I think the Bulls taking Boozer is stupid..
sorry
15mil per for Chandle is absurd. ZBO is getting 17mil and he is 20/10.
Chandler is an offensive liability outside 12feet. No jumper, not a good passer, no handle
Totally agree...
That is way too much money for him…
Does Jamal Crawford play SF?
AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
It sounds like Jamal Crawford is leaving Atlanta. Sources say he won’t re-sign
That would be so little defense though with him and Morrow. Why do we need two?
Oops Full Alex Kennedy Quote
It sounds like Jamal Crawford is leaving Atlanta. Sources say he won’t re-sign with the Hawks. He’s considering CHI, NOH, IND, NJ and MIN.
aint much out there
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I agree
At least Crawford has talent & relative to the likes of Butler, he’s more reliable health-wise.
If we were to sign Crawford, i wonder if the plan is to play Morrow at the 3 or to trade him in a package for a 3.
It is what it is
But I don’t think the Nets will sign Crawford. That’s a lot of teams on that list.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
He's considering these places...
re they considering him? And for how much?
I seriously think (and I have no sources) that if Nets miss on Butler there going to offer the same money at Crawford.
Really hope I’m wrong…dont want either one
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
We all know you've got sources...
Mr Vasquez
We do not have to fill every hole and spend all of our money THIS FA
Play this thing out the smart way
We do if we want to be competitive in order to keep DWill
DWill wants wins. Bottomline it’s about wins
Who is worth long term money/contracts at the SF position ?
That’s. Going to make DWill stay? No one. We don’t need to fill every position long term
Who's gonna take short term contracts?
Short of guys on the brink retirement, no one is gonna take a short term contract, not with the Nets
Whoever will sign with the Nets
Whether they’re worth a long term contract or not, you don’t have a choice. You need to do what you can to improve as much as possible right now
So wait, you're telling me if you're Deron Williams and you're on a non-playoff team your thought process is
Well of course I have to re-sign here, how can I let go of this?
If I'm Deron Williams and the Nets sign WHOEVER they can because we can't get FA because we suck
I walk the first chance I get.
So how will not signing anyone be a better move in terms of getting him to stay?
Is thin air better than anyone we can sign?
I think if Deron really wants to be here he wouldn't want us to sign just anyone
Im sure he’s smart enough to know there is other ways to improve our team.
he makes $25 million more in NJ
than he can make under any other scenario.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Won't our cap just be eaten up next year if we can't get Dwight with Brooks extension
Just something to keep in mind.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Can't depend on Dwight
He’s not hitting free agency, and it’s very unclear at the moment if he ever even leaves Orlando
my point exactly
After this and to an extent off season lopez will eat a lot more cap space. So we kind of have to spend now. And the big 3 next year are deron, cp3 and dwight if any make it. We have and want keep Deron and if dwight doesn’t make it to free agency what there to wait for.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Nets have Bird Rights on Lopez
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
but we'll need to offer him an exstension
so our cap takes a hit either way. I suppose we could next year to with available space as Lopez’s cap hold won’t be too great since hes on his rookie contract. And then go over the cap to offer Lopez a big exstension.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
About $6m of it
He makes about $3m now and his cap hold will be $9m.
Between him and the pick we lose about $8m off the top.
In order to afford Dwight next season we would have to roll into the summer with about $40m on the books… or….
D.Williams / (assume Farmar opts out)
Morrow / Brooks
- / D.James
Lopez / J.Williams
Dwight / Petro
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 8, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I hate number signs
D.Will
Morrow / Brooks
1st rounder / D.James
Lopez / J.Williams
Dwight / Petro
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 8, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
whatever he get is the market price
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Question for u guys
If butler is 4/28 mill
Would u rather have crawford for 4/40?
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
K
Idk either. I just feel like bk wants that.
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
More like 4/30 with raises
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I'll take Crawford at 4/$28-$30mil
I don’t want Butler at that price, and I don’t want Crawford for a penny more.
He isnt a need though.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Talent is a need
This team lacks it. We have decent role players at SG right now, but Crawford would instantly be our best player at the position. He also makes Morrow expendable, and we’ve heard that teams around the league value him. With Crawford, you can go for cheaper defensive specialists at the 3 & 4, and get away with it.
I want to keep Morrow
The guy’s going to be an assassin behind the line with wide open kick-outs from Dwill this season.
Crawford hasnt been a starter in years…Dont want him as our starter.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Semantics
Whether he officially started or not, the guy averaged over 30 minutes per game the last 2 seasons. That’s starter’s minutes.
what we need is..
Sign Nene at 4years and 50mill, tayshuan prince at 3 years and 20 mil. We would get an inside scoring punch in Nene and a finally above average wing defender who can hit open shots..
Roll out this group:
Deron
Morrow/Brooks
Prince/James
Nene/J Williams
Lopez/Petro
If Brooks develops into a Nick Young kind of scoring threat off the bench, I would think we would make the playoffs with this group. And can package a couple of them for Dwight if that becomes an option.
I like it too
But jarkid is prolly right. Nene is. 15-17 mil a year guy
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
wishful thinking
Prince will want more than 6.7 mil a year and will want a 4 year deal.
Nene wants maxed money not 12.5 mil a year.
hm
i guess i would be ok with 4 years and 60 mil to Nene. He’s not all world but he’s a banger and would be a huge upgrade over Hump. But somebody as one dimensional as TC.. hard to spend that many years and that much mullah on him
we havent heard anything all week and now its still Nene/chandler and Butler...
Did we wait to long to court these players? Somethings up..
by kupalski on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I feel like I've been reading the same thread over and over again for the past 3 to 4 days
I need breaking news
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 4 recs
I say let's just throw an offer to Thaddeus Young
He’s young, he’s athletic, he’s a great inside scorer
I think a bigger investment in Young would reap better rewards than throwing it at any other SF out there
Outlaw 2,0
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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by Claud on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nets will take Anyone doesnt sound to great....
by kupalski on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Off topic, is it true that Paul is unlikely to go to the Knicks since
the Hornets might be going to trade him to other teams besides Knicks?
iys never been likely
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
chances
via trade 0% with just the two teams involved. As it stands Paul will have to take a lot less money to sign with knicks. So its not likely. Yes new orleans will try and trade him. Paul can wait to become a free agent if it pleases him he doesn’t have to sign anything but he loses even more money by not signing with a team hes traded to or NOH. He’d thus have to take two hits to play for the knicks lose out on the fifth year he’d staying with a team he plays for but also the knicks can’t even offer a normal max contract like other teams can.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
But why we already heard that Paul wants to play in NY??
Does that mean he can ignore the money to play with his friends?
He can do whatever he wants
Didn’t see Melo ignoring the money to play in his hometown did you. We’ve heard that because the national media and even more so local NY media tend to be biased and ignore the facts when it comes to the knicks like cap space. Paul probably would like to play in new york for all we know but would you give up millions and millions of dollars to do so. Take what a 25 or 30% or more of what he’s worth while Melo and Amare to inferior playsers don’t make any sacrifice with max contract from the old CBA. If I’m Paul with my concern about my Knee I make my money while I can.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I never thought I'd say this but David West is sounding better
If we strike out on Nene and Chandler, we may have to go West.
Apparently he hasn’t gotten much love in the off-season and is thinking of returning to NO, which would be a bad move with Paul leaving most likely.
Offer –
West $8m with some sort of guarantees for years 3 and 4.
Resign Humphries for $6m
Add Prince for $6m
$2m to Josh Howard
Not it ain’t great, but if we have to win now, and saving for 2012 is not an option, it might be plan D.
D.Will / Farmar / Gaines
Morrow / Brooks / J.Ho
Prince / James / J.Ho
West / Humphries / J.Will
Lopez / Petro / J.Will
Still there is not need to panic until...
Chandler is signed
AND
Nene is signed
AND
Dwight is still in Orlando
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
The more time flies by , worse off we are!
If teams lets Howard , Paul and Williams turn free agents, their free to pair up and sign with any team they like.
Isn’t Bosh , Bron and Wade taking like 14-15mill each(allegedly)? Why can’t this crop of players do the same? The good thing is, I think we are the front runners for any 2 stars to join up.
by Zartan on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
David West is undersized, aged, and was injured...
if the Nets sign him, that does mean they miss all the targets…
And that's why maybe he comes for half the price of Nene or Chandler
And like I said make the last 2 years un-guaranteed to mitigate the risk.
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
West does sound good too
But unfortunately everyone on this board with shoot signing him down too because he had an injury last year.
For some reason it’s looking like the majority of posters are expecting us to sign an 18 year old ALL STAR with no injury history for under 1 million. lol
Thad Young can be very useful if the team uses him correctly
http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1880
Young went from a liability as a post player two years ago to a tremendous asset. According to Synergy Sports Technologies, Young put up .661 points per possession (PPP) on the block two years ago on 37.6 percent shooting. That slotted him in the bottom 16 percent among NBA players. Last year, Young’s PPP jumped all the way to 1.029 and he shot 56.8 percent. That was good enough for the top 12 percent among NBA players.
So what was responsible for this pretty incredible jump? It’s all about position
This past season, Johnson was able to consistently get better position. Not with strength, as it appeared Young didn’t really improve in that respect, but with quickness. That’s an advantage Young has over most of the fours defending him
The Sixers focused on letting Young get to the block and look for the ball off of movement. Young is quicker than most fours and because of that, when he starts moving around, whether it be off of transition or after setting a screen and rolling to the rim, he is able to establish strong post position after making a cut. With Young, this was a far more effective method than letting him set up on the block and trying to out-muscle opponents.
Because Young established better post position, he was able to use his quickness with the ball much more effectively as well. Instead of making the catch too far away and trying to back his man down to make up the distance, Young was able to catch the ball on the block and get into his move very quickly. This past season, these quick moves really gave the defense trouble and allowed Young to get a lot of clean looks right at the rim.
he`ll be a sixer or a nugget
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by BrettGardnerLF on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
that what i’ve read…could change though
I can see him costing up to $9M per.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Was about to say that…
I remember Nets have shown interest in the past. But, Thad is not on the “list” presented to us last week.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Seems an oversight, doesn't it?
Given the Nuggets SF talent, not sure why they are interested, guess they just like him.
Small ball i guess
Nene’s impending departure means they need to fill up that frontcourt, and there aren’t a lot of options
I'd take a flier on Thad
seen him play a few times in person, was always pretty impressed.
by sheepareevil on Dec 8, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
chandler's d would make a huge difference
he is way better defensively than nene. if i have to overpay one of them, i’d prefer it to be chandler, even if it’s the 15 per. and i get butler for 7 if butler is healthy. with butler helping with scoring and chandler helping d, you’d take a lot of pressure off of lopez. i worry about the health of all these FAs getting mentioned
I agree. Chandler's D is underestimated..
We have many elite scorers in D-Will, Lopez, Morrow, DJ, and Brooks… no need to add another power in the paint.
Chandler’s D would be a big impact instantly.
Well Morrow is an elite three point shooter
Otherwise Lopez is getting there for his position, if not already there.
But naming Brooks and Damion James as elite scorers is comical.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
One more things.. maybe the wait is good
It may mean we’re being careful, selective and holding out for the best players for the best money. I’d rather it drag out and we get Nene at 14 (than 17) or Chandler at 13 (than 20) or whatever they were asking for.
Doesn't price go up, the longer we wait?
The lower the supply of free agents gets, the higher the price will go
i love how we all say we need to sign better players...
and then we all shoot down any player we see show intrest in the Nets. WE ARE NOT GETTING DWIGHT right now. if we strike out in free agency i am done. ANYTHING is better than what we had last year! I’ll take butler over Outlaw and James, i’ll take JCrossover over what we have, and ill take D.West over nothing! We arent GM’s…
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol, not really what i meant...
We have to get whats available, and put it on the floor and just see what happens
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or better make a trade package for another team like Suns
they have Piutres an R. Lo and sign Ak over Butler for 3 years let’s say 4 per year
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Nene talk has been quiet in general not just with nets..hmm
Check out the funniest person on youtube Edbassmaster: http://www.youtube.com/user/edbassmaster
Yankees>Rest of MLB
They Finally called up Baby Jesus
BK needs to hit the trading blocks hard, that is his bread and butter, his contract signing is scary....
by Benl1 on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
We don't really have much to trade
You can only do so much with James, Morrow, Farmar, Petro, Brooks
overpaying that makes sense
what price to you put on adding certain pieces that can change this team from 25 wins to 40 – 45 wins(66 game schedule)?
That’s how I’m looking at it. Nene or Chandler alone wouldn’t be worth the price they’re looking for. But adding either player to play with Brook makes the money well spent. You instantly get one of the best front courts in one signing.
Same applies to Butler. Is he worth 7 mill? No. But is he worth that money when you consider the upgrade at SF and our SF depth? With a Butler signing, and if Nets keep Outlaw on the roster to save the amnesty option for next season, then our SF position goes from a major weakness to a major strength. Butler/Outlaw/James. Our SG rotation gets better too. Morrow/Butler/Brooks.
If we keep Farmar, how deep is our PG rotation with Gaines!?!? And say Nets get Hump to stay for less?
Each of our position go fairly deep. Our second unit keeps us in games and can possibly be better than many first/second units other teams currently have.
With the type of schedule we’re getting this year, the teams with good depth will rise to the top IMO.
So yeah…I’m willing to overpay.
It's a given that ANYONE we sign will be an upgrade over last year
But the question is, who will be the BEST upgrade? Considering price and actual wins they will produce
If Outlaw and Graham is the baseline, then of course it’s a given than anyone, including my grandma is an upgrade for the Nets
good point putting the overpaying into context
Howard of course if possible but it’s not Dwight or bust. A Nene/Chandler-Brook frontcourt. The choices at SF had always been AK/Prince/Butler. The Nets would be much improved, a step in the right direction and would have good players under contract for possible trade.
we knew they'd have to overpay
to get better sooner to keep dwill. if they sign these guys and they stay healthy, they should be good
chandler/nene & butler that is
as long as they’re not talking about MAX for chandler/nene
Butler Better pack his bags and move to Chicago or somewhere else
At this point both Ak and Butlet injury prones so I would rather take Ak over Butler because he will take less and unlike butler he played this offseason and he is in good shape while Butler didn’t do shoot
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions
Shane doesn't know anyone here and we aren't an immediate contender
He’s considering Memphis since he’s been there before, Toronto because a coach he knows is there, Miami, San Antonio and others because they’re contenders
He wants to play for contender like Lakers or Miami
he wants to make sure his team will be in the finals, so my best bet is he going to sign with Lakers OKC or Miami
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
The bottom line..
This is a weak free agent class, and their prices are determined by the market. We DESPERATELY need to upgrade our roster. Waiting and hoping a trade becomes available would risk losing Dwill.
We gotta pay the market price and hope for the best. 4 year contracts makes them a bit more bearable to me.
I prefer Chandler with Lopez and Nene with Dwight… I say we assume we’re not getting Dwight right now and go after Tyson.
Caron would be great if he can stay healthy, but if he can’t (which is likely), I prefer Tayshaun.. who oddly, isn’t being mentioned
Why teams should swoop in and grab Chuck Hayes (Zach Lowe)
Opponents shot 37% in the post against Chuck Hayes last season, per Synergy. One of the best marks in the league.
And that for the low low price of 5 million per year
Hayes is a 6-6 PF
That’s 5 mil per year for a bench guy. We need starters first. And Hump over Hayes.
Has that 6'6" height disadvantage limited him?
Shouldn’t it be even more amazing that he’s one of the best post defenders in the league at that height? He also grabbed 16.3% of all available rebounds last year, a mark that’s close to guys like Nene and DeAndre Jordan. He also had a top 3 assist rate among NBA centers.
That’s very shortsighted, knocking a guy not because of what he actually does on the court, but for his height. Doesn’t matter how good he plays right, all that matters is that he’s 6’6"
Nugget of info
Chuck Hayes grabbed a greater % of available rebounds than Al Horford, Chris Kaman, David Lee, Roy Hibbert, Nene, Marc Gasol, Brook (of course)
still no thanks
I’m not pairing up a 6-6 Hayes with Brook. Good luck using stats to guard 7-footers like Bosh, Gasol, Nowitzki, etc. Would consider it if there’s spare change to put him on the bench but I wouldn’t be using any cap space for him until the starters are set.
I’d rather see Hayes guard one of Nene/Chandler or Brook if we have that frontcourt.
You realize he didn't hold opposing small forwards to 37% shooting in the post, he WAS going up against big men
Hayes changed the complexion of last night’s game by doing exactly what he was called upon to do: shut down the red-hot Amar’e Stoudemire.
pass again
Let Hayes be on an opposing team trying to shut down our own possible 7-foot twin towers.
by stenpoint on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You say trying as if he didn't actually do it over the course of many seasons
2009, 2010, 2011, it isn’t just this year that things have been written about his defense
he's been shutting down centers for years
he’s a great teammates too. might be too good because i think the rest of the rockets learned how to play defense from him. I remember one game last year when Pat Patterson completely nullified Pau Gasol. Now Hayes is allegedly headed to Sacramento
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 8, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Who cares how tall he is?
He’s an amazing defender regardless of his height
Every time I open Netsdaily
My heart races in anticipation to see a title: “NETS GET DWIGHT HOWARD!”
Instead, I see picture of Hump or Nene/Chandler with words “uncertainty” and “no resolution”.
Depressing…
Maybe you should stay away from NetsDaily the next few days...
You might see this headline and really lose it…
NETS GET JOSH HOWARD !
With
Nets and Jamal Crawford agree to deal
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 8, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Tourture. Feels like he next 48 hours could shape this organizaiton for the next 5 years
And Billy wasting all of his time on a 2 day Caron Butler courting. Has he even met with Chandler/Nene yet???
Nets still in a hount for D12
because I think Kobe wants CP more than D12……The Lakers are still lurking for Paul, sources said. A possible deal with the Lakers would likely focus on Andrew Bynum (notes) . Paul and Kobe Bryant (notes) have talked by phone in the past week, sources said…..that’s makes me believe we first team on D12 list
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldnt be too upset if we sign Butler and AK then resign Hump
Lopez / Petro
AK / Hump / JWill
Butler / James
Morrow / Brooks
DWill / Farmar / Gaines
Im not a big fan of Butler but I respect him after I heard how he got injured. He hurt his knee cap at a game where his mother was in the crowd. When the training staff told him they were going to get the cart to wheel him out he said he wouldnt let them because he wasnt going to let his mother see him on a cart. He then reaches down and puts his kneecap back in place, get up and walks off the court in excruciating pain. For a basketball player that’s toughness on the level of Ronnie Lott cuting his mangled pinkie finger off at halftime.
by DWILL-of-the-GODZ on Dec 8, 2011 9:31 AM EST reply actions
Will you bre upset when that leads to a 30 win team and Deron leaves for Dallas?
Because that is what will happen.
I don’t k now how people don’t get that yet. Deron could not have been more clear on this point.
Yea
People seem to think signing these so-so guys will keep D-Will..it wont..we need to go big or go home if we have any chance of keeping him. period.
read my post right below. I uttered the same thing.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
true. if nets are 11 - 22 at the all-star break
we’ll have to put dwill on the block to get something back because he’ll be walking
talk about a soft team
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
people comparing signing Butler to Outlaw is like comparing Gabrielle Union to Precious
seriously some of you on this board have lost your damn mind or have just become paranoid from the disaster that Outlaw was
in a stacked Eastern Conf. we need to sure up our roster. no more signings that lead us to the middle of the pack.
Go Hard or Go home.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and where do you expect to get these better players from?
we have little players with value besides Deron & Brook, and im sure King wants to hold onto whatever hes got for a potential Dwight trade
by Henry Sanchez on Dec 8, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Al--Slow day
Al_Iannazzone Al Iannazzone
I believe it was 10 years ago today that Jeff Van Gundy resigned as Knicks coach. I was on the #nyk beat then.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Let's not get a big money big man, let's bring back Hump and sign Hayes to 6-7 million a year
Spend the rest of the money on Thaddeus Young instead
Way I see it, we can either spend big on a big man and save money on a SF or save money on big men and spend big on a SF
Young is the younger and healthier than most any of our other free agent targets. I say eff it, let’s just go all in on him, he can play some PF
I like Young
And even like Green who I think can be had for cheap given Boston’s uncertainty right now.
I’d take either over Butler for $7m.
I would also take Prince or AK over Butler.
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Not touching Green
He’s not really a good defender, he’s a luxury role player and that’s it. He’s never gonna be the 3rd best player on a championship team
so
you want Deron to leave?
Because if I were in his shoes and the best that we can do is Thad young, the Hump, and Hayes, I’d be out by March
smh
by MrDollarBills on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully we make a run at Afflalo, would rather get him for 9/10 a yr than caron at 7 a yr
by jackbauerwillsmashurface on Dec 8, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
ok maybe not that much but
Afflalo > butler
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
all for Afflalo but 10 a year seems high
But then again our owner is Rich and can afford to pay that luxury tax.
5 years to a championship, times a ticking Prok.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i agree 10 seems a little high
but if we are considering giving caron 7m a year, afflalo is worth the extra 2 or 3 mil
by jackbauerwillsmashurface on Dec 8, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Anyway, every NBA junkie scanned the list of free agents this month, made a few faces, laughed a few times, and at some point, had the same reaction: “Ooooooh, I like Arron Afflalo!”
How can you not like him? You’re getting him at age 26, which means he still has a chance to get about 20 percent better. He’s already a classic Table Test guy — he brings a few things to the table and doesn’t take anything off it. On the right team, you can pencil Afflalo in for 30 to 35 minutes per night, excellent defense, 13 to 15 points per game, 50/40/80 shooting percentages (FGs, 3s and FTs), good chemistry and a general efficiency/consistency that makes you totally comfortable. You know what you’re getting with Arron Afflalo. Almost to a tee.
grantland.com
yeah would really like Afflalo
I’d prefer a 10 mil a year Afflalo than a 7 mil a year Butler. I know it’s a lot but the guy’s only 26 and plays well both ends of the floor.
If the Nets wanted an all-defensive team, that would mean Chandler and then hopefully AK with the mini-MLE.
DWill
Afflalo
AK
Lopez
Chandler
Damn.
That line up can win it all
with depth tha nets have it will chip or we failed
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
if the nets are going to spend money
i’d rather them blow bank on Afflalo, Thornton, and Thad simultaneously. At least you get youth, athleticism, and scoring with loads of potential from those three
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 8, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
exactly, although i wouldnt go for all three
worst case scenario they are all still good trade assets
by jackbauerwillsmashurface on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but nobody cares about beating the Knicks…
"Chuckers ain't champions" -- James Naismith, 1891
by calling all toasters on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
anyone else catch this on Iannazzone's article?
If the Magic seriously consider moving Howard, the Lakers’ deal appears better than what the Nets can offer – a package including Brook Lopez and picks. Lopez is more durable than Bynum and the Nets likely would have to absorb Hedo Turkoglu’s hefty contract. It’s Orlando’s call.
did he just contradict himself?
yeah, I think he mixed it up.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I'm expecting trades.
Taking asking prices into consideration, the free agent options available to us right now are garbage.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
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dunno how to upload animated gifs yet.
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by pope of lofe on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just upload it as a pictur and click on the tree icon. Then copy and paste the pic url on it.
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@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Besides Battier tweeting that he's going to Miami
that seems about right for today!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 8, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
CRAWFORD:
Damn, I may have to really change my twitt pic in a couple days hnh?…#honestmoment
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Al_Iannazzone Al Iannazzone
“@LBJFanInNYC: Shane Battier has tweeted he will sign with Heat” he was long shot for #nets and not their top pick at sf. Butler 1, Prince 2
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Ew thats good the heat
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Battier off the bench...
Te Heat just got much better…
Yeah he can guard the otehr teams best wing
So Lebron or Wade can save themselves for offense.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
that's a coup for them
They can go small with Bosh and LeBron at the 5 and 4, with Battier at the 3.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
think that was the plan all along, too play small-ball instead of finding a cheap big man who can run and finish
Bosh
Lebron
Battier
Miller
Wade
How do you slow that down? How do score on that besides having a legit low post threat?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
think that was the plan all along, too play small-ball instead of finding a cheap big man who can run and finish
Bosh
Lebron
Battier
Miller
Wade
How do you slow that down? How do score on that besides having a legit low post threat?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 8, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
But how do they defend a combination of say Nene/Lopez?
Impossible to stop on both ends.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I would not be surprised if we find out Caron Butler is signing with us today...
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, completely.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
ha thanks
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
not if king has anything to say about it.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 9:52 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If Knicks get Grant Hill
I’ll seriously be pissed.
I didnt know Prince was our #2 option…He’s probably going to want $7M per also.
Ak would be cheaper for us IMO.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
rather pay prince the $ than butler
always been a Prince fan and was hoping he would be the Nets pick the year he came out, unfortunately Detroit took him 1 spot ahead of us and we ended up with Kristic
by Henry Sanchez on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
garbage
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
You dont know what they're doing with AK-47
he is in Moscow recuperating and there is nothing to stop Prokhorov and/or Kushchenko from stopping by.
Have NO idea that’s so, but it COULD be happening.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Don't discount Caron Butler's value to the team as a guy
who has been there, done that. Every improving team, especially the coach craves the player who can be a solid team leader.
It amazing me that these second and third tier players are still going to be...
signing these ridiculously huge contracts…
Pretty funny that Nene and Chandler will be making close to max money if the reports we hear are true.
Somethings wrong with the NBA salary structure and no one seems to care…
Maybe there is so much money available that even a player like Butler can walk away with close to 30 million dollars on the down side of his career…
Nets better not throw that kind of money to players like Butler and expect to have good things happen.
Psst, Players won
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
The truth
This new CBA is amazing. It hasn’t even been ratified yet and it’s completely restored competitive balance to the universe!
“All 25 teams, if well managed, will have the opportunity to watch five teams take turns winning championships.”
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
another slow news day. kill me
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:01 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
tweets may pick up. news may go down.
BK either your a genius or an absolute _______.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:03 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Billy is too quiet...
Something is definitely going down…
There is too much on the line for him not to be doing anything...
A move to Brooklyn. Trying to keep Dwill. Trying to fight a Knick fan base. And the pressure to impress Proky… Trust me… BK is working overtime…
Funny thing is Murphy is a good player
Just probably couldn’t overcome his injuries. He could be a low risk high reward type for teams out there.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
and we wonder why we aren't on national tv.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
BK didn't even bother wearing a tie for this presser.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Will we match the Warriors' 4years and 60 million?
Two days before NBA teams may make official offers to free-agent players, the Warriors sounded especially confident that they can land center Tyson Chandler and won’t have to part with one of the core players from their roster.
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“I’ll tell you that Tyson Chandler is a guy we’d really love to have here in the Bay Area,” Riley said on KNBR before being asked if Chandler was the Warriors’ Nos. 1-3 free-agent options. "You got it. You stated it, so I’m not going to. You’ve got the picture of where we are.
-———————————————————————-
Sources close to the talks believe the winning bid will be about $60 million for a four-year deal.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/08/SPCO1M9P2L.DTL
Pickings get awfully slim if we don’t get Nene or Chandler. Gonna have to get Hump and…. who else is out there? Big Baby is the only other big man we’re heard anything about
If we sign Hump at say... 6 million a year and Big Baby at 5 million a year
I think we should splurge a bit and give Thad Young that big offer that the Sixers won’t match
Hump/whoever-maybe-big-baby/Young wouldn’t be THAT much worse than Chandler/Butler or whoever we get at SF since the Bulls are his #1 place
Options are pretty limited
Personally I’d consider throwing money at Marcus Thornton in that scenario.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I'd rather Young, I guess
more defensive potential, I think defense is way more important right now. We have some SG scorers
Thats true
While I’m not sold on our shooting guards the great greater need is at sf so young may be the better fit. I do prefer Thornton to Young though. Both are young and talented I guess.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
their advantage is California
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
They don't have a Deron Williams though.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Yeah... But he has his ring already
Winning may not be his primary focus in free agency
I dunno money and winning sounds like a good bargain.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I don't get that
OK, I won one championship so I don’t care about winning anymore? I just like CA? Don’t get that at all…
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sherman Douglas > Outlaw
by JackTr1pper on Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
If Nets don't sign anything worth value this off-season
its going to be even harder to see how this season and next off-season plays out. SMH, where are all my optimistic people though? The one’s that continued to bash me every single night? The one’s that was trying to sell Brooklyn, the Nets, and a Billionaire owner to someone who has only been a Nets fan, lived in Brooklyn his whole life, and know’s that a Billionaire owner isn’t worth much if he can’t get any players to commit.
Feels good to be back
The Nets reputation
historically as a joke that plays in a swamp is not going to turn around overnight.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
It might in october 2012...
somewhat
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Aren't we moving to Brooklyn next season?
Suppose to be a fresh start with a new arena, new owner, new star player, new this, and new that? I agree that the Nets reputation suck, but there was so much optimistic people and I kind of miss it now ;-). All the great talk of why everyone would want to come here, where has it gone?
Feels good to be back
I believe the Nets have to get in that new building...
It has to be a big deal made about the billion dollar arena in BK… Jay-Z has to get all of his music and Hollywood contacts and make the premier opening of the building a huge extravaganza. This would not change the perception of the Nets right away. But it would be a great start. The Nets have to sell that location to the public and players…
It won't matter bro
all these attracttive and incentive stuff people are bring up won’t really change anything in my opinion. Those stuff are used mroe often to convince others and themselves. As a Nets fan who lives in Brooklyn and hsad seen them go from a 2 time EC Champ team to a 12 win team, the Nets won’t get anyone good her unless they 1. Overpay greatly or 2. Become a winning team. I’m just really waiting to see this season play out before I decide if the move to Brooklyn will really turn this franchise around, but things aren’t looking too bright as of now. All we need is a big man and a starting SF and the sky is the limit for this team. But if people have the “Dwight or Bust” mentality, many will be disappointed, because even Howard is one player, and it takes a team to have success.
Feels good to be back
I think it will matter some. It will have people talking about the franchise...
As for people having the Dwight or bust mentality, i totally agree with you on that…
That did turn around a little in the early to mid 2000s
If they start winning moving to Brooklyn, it could come quick.
by ZR on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
WE GOT THIS!!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 8, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
if we don't do anything
we are finished.
by MrDollarBills on Dec 8, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
So let's say the Bulls do get Butler
The Clippers get Prince
We’re left with… maybe Josh Howard. Maybe AK47.. who else? And the Spurs might have a nice shot at Josh Howard too so we might not get him
I would take RJ over Howard
Howard hasn’t been good for years. RJ is coming off of a year where he shot 44% from behing the arc
Josh Howard
What has he played 15-20 games the last two years? AK would have to be a better option then him. Nets should have the inside track.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
AK doesn't have a lot of other options
He liked 4 teams, but the Jazz and LAC don’t seem to be interested. Haven’t heard anything from LAL but they’re already getting Kapono
So I think we’re his only favorable choice
I know you're going to laugh...but
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute. Who I consider to be an ideal candidate if we get Nene.
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Hmm not the worst option
Bit similar to James but thats not necessarily a bad thing. Personally I still think James might have starter potential in a few years hopefully he can stay healthy this year so we can get a clearer picture.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
I like him, but haven't heard anything about him
We should though. But… the Nets seem to be going after the big names, not really the greatest role players (not that Mbah a Moute is one of the greatest but he’s certainly younger and got more potential)
if the Nets strike out on all of them
then it would be time to get creative and search for a 3 through trade. I’m not really comfortable with AK47 starting for us at all.
by JerseysFinest. on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not speculating till tomorrow night. Clearly anything can happen.
Let’s sit tight and see why happens. Don’t worry we will have 66 games to vent if our FO butchers this offseason.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:11 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
So there will be no extension for Dwight.
That said, the league’s best center by far still very much wants to be in Orlando, and he is willing to give them every opportunity to keep him. What that means to Dwight is that he wants the Magic to be contenders, and to that end Orlando has a short list of players they would like to add in an effort to return to contention. Atlanta’s Josh Smith, Philadelphia’s Andre Iguodala and Golden State’s Monta Ellis are on that list.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/dwight-howard-spells-it-out-for-orlando/
I don't speak English
They're not gonna get any of those guys
But that means they’re still gonna try, so there will be no Dwight trade till the deadline at the earliest
Albert pujos signs With Angela for 10 years/250 Million. wow.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:15 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Don't even know what to say with that....
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
looks like Invader Zim
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
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Patrick Ewing - The NBA's all-time leader in rushing yards
That much to swing a bat and be fat. Nice…great for him.
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He is one of the greatest hitters of all time...
But that is a lot of years for a 31 year old player
DH, just like Edgar Martinez did for Seattle in the late 90's early 2000's
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 8, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Pujols to the Angels..talk about something coming out of nowhere..never expected that.
Magic making improvements to keep Dwight
@SpearsNBAYahoo: Shooting guard Larry Hughes has accepted invitation to the Orlando Magic’s training camp, a source tells @YahooSports.
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Larry Hughes for Deron Williams >.<
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Thats probably a little too much for the magic
We’d probably need to throw in the houston pick and Morrow with maybe James or Brooks to get that deal done.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
He was a good defensive player
and a average scorer, but he started drifting further and further away from the basket as the season’s came.
Feels good to be back
Forget Dwight
With star power like Hughes playing for the magic he’s staying put.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
lol... hey dwight you should stay! we got Larry Hughes!
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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if we dont get nene chandler or butler
What do we have. Were screwed bigime
by netsfan247 on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
news has been so sparse that if it wasn't for NETSdaily, i would forget the name of our team.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I think a lot of teams are doing their best to make moves in silence. They are trying hard not to tip their hand
But it’s going to be crazy tomorrow and over the weekend…
I'm telling you, give a nice offer to 23 year old Thaddeus Young instead
The old veterans are sticking with the proven contenders, maybe putting in a nice offer for a younger player wouldn’t be so bad
Added security that even if DWill doesn’t re-sign, our big signing was a young player, rebuilding ready or tradeable
Nah
If that was the case, I would rather extend an offer sheet Affalo.
Atleast I know what I am getting from Affalo, defense and hitting open shots. What does Young do well? We dont know.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
Affalo would be worth over paying a couple of million to...
Great shooter and defender… That’s exactly what the nets need
Extremely efficient inside scorer
Last year, Young’s PPP jumped all the way to 1.029 and he shot 56.8 percent. That was good enough for the top 12 percent among NBA players.
Lets say we get
Nene, Do we really need more inside score with Nene and Lopez?
Not worth it to me.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
But that's the question, are we getting Nene?
If we get Nene we won’t have money for Young, but if not… the big man field is kind of empty
If we dont get nene,
we probably have Dwight.
IMHO Nene is in the bag. Unfortunately it will be for $17 mil.
Dwill
Morrow/Brooks
FA SF/James
Nene
Lopez
That is what I think it will be unless Dwight trade is done.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
I don't anticipate any Dwight trade, not for months at the earliest
I think Nene has a more than decent chance of staying in Denver, all depends on how he still feels about them
mixed feelings
But I rather have him $7M per than Butler.
I think Young will get a contract of $8M-$10M per.
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Agreed
we are putting all of our eggs into one basket, when we have multiple voids. Thad provides a young efficient scorer who I feel as yet to break out, also gives us versatility at the wing. These bigs are really pushing the market high.
I think ultimately he's a sixth man
But in this market, I think he’s worth the money and he’s probably as good as it gets
I just dunno
I wish there was news about something..hearing news about all our targets with other teams but none about us.
I am familiar with our new assistants but unaware of their specialties. are they defensive or offensive minded?
Hoping defensive.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:30 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
From what Elie said (paraphrased) in his NETS interview:
Popeye and Doug map out the defensive game plan.
Elie is going to work mostly with the guards.
PJ will be Avery’s assistant head coach.
Can’t tell you I remember him laying out Barrise’s role specifically. Did I miss any of the coaches?
Do the Bulls plan to start Butler at SG?
Can’t we do that too? Then still hoping AK is OK with the mini-MLE in a deal with Proky.
A Butler+AK SG/SF combo would be big. Morrow can come off the bench.
If the bulls get Butler,
King should try to trade for Brewer or Korver.
Dwill’s Utah Boys.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
I'd rather have Brewer
Korver is a less accurate Morrow and that’s it. Brewer is the kind of defender we don’t have, but he won’t help you space the floor
I agree
Brewer is my first option. Korver is Dwill good friend so Korver is more like a Mourning deal.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
the jigsaw will begin to come together tomm at 2pm.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Random thoughts: At least this will give us a chance to see how much pull...
Deron Willliams has in attracting players to play with him.
If he can’t recruit anyone then he should just shut up about the Nets needing a contending team for him to play on..
Maybe Deron will even decide to stay and help us rebuild seeing that he couldn’t deliver anybody for us. If he likes challenges well here would be his biggest one. Build the Nets into a contender Deron.
If we strikeout this year and end up it the lottery again then hopefully Deron still stays and gives us more time to improve our team.
And if he leaves then maybe it’s time we give up on the blueprint for success model and build through the draft and trading wisely…
It's Deron's fault
if he can’t recruit anyone to the Nets but it’s also Deron’s fault if the Nets signings turn out bad.
Of course, if it works out well, it’s because of the Deron factor.
Good with the bad, eh.
How do you know Dwill isnt making calls?
People please stop making off base speculations.
We dont know what is going on. King leaked all the stuff last week. Now he is waiting for Friday to let the dominoes fall.
Relax
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Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
never said DWill wasn't helping recruit
my point was for some fans who are already blaming DWill for forcing the Nets to improve now and thus supposedly about to take on bad contracts.
I know Nets haven’t had any recent success in FA…but I am very confident that Nets sign Nene or Chandler tomorrow. Nets have too much to sell, that’s why I doubt Nets strike out.
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Nets won't get neither one
those 2 not retarded they know we going after D12 and you netter believe they will be included
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Funny
Looks like David West is not get decent offers.
Why would you opt out fool?
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
how much was he supposed to maked?
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Maybe if he goes "cheap"...
we sign him. He would have to pass his physical of course but the low risk / high reward value might be worth it .
I think Young will only be as good as how you use him
You need to get him the ball at the right places, and use him the right way.
He’s not gonna be able to guard big PFs like Zach Randolph, but he’ll be able to chase around guys like Tyrus Thomas. He’ll be able to score easily if you get him the ball close to the basket with a slower PF on him, and if you get it to him on the break. If you don’t do that, Young’s gonna be a failure of a signing
Helps that we have DWill who knows how to get guys the ball, that’s an underrated factor. DWill can do for Young what Kidd did for… RJ or Kmart
This kid is young (no pun intended), fast, and athletic...
He dropped 12ppg off the bench. And this is without a good passing PG. If there was a person to consider overpaying a little bit, maybe it’s him
deron is gone
Might as well trade him to lakers n get gasol n.odom
by netsfan247 on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
dude player transactions offically start 2pm on friday...
people need to chill with all these rumors, cause they are that rumors!!
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
yes but now players are starting to VERBALLY commit
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
who's verbally commited?
kapono, battier, t-mac, jarred freaking jeffries… we’re really missing out
battier for one....and what im saying is if we're such a lock to land some guys, we should
be able to get them to verbally commit as well
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Clearly Battier
was probably our 5th or 6th option at SF. He most like took less to go to the Heat to win a championship. We would have had to pay him more to come here.
Let that one go.
T-Mac, Kapano and jeffries. Really!!! You are upset with those verbal commitments. REALLY!!!!!
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
Noone noteworthy that the Nets have been targeting has as you say “verbally committed”. So let’s just chill until otherwise
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
by Kidd2Petrovic on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
lol now that those big dominos have fallen maybe the 3rd stringers like nene and TC can find homes
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and once we miss out on those 2
we’ll settle for Dwight
and eddy curry to the Heat as well.
The sky is falling! Trade D-will!! Trade everyone!!!
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
if the nets have no one good on saturday
they should seriously look at what the celtics are offering for chris paul (rondo, green, #1sl. rondo is signed to a reasonable contract. we can’t let dwill just walk for nothing
DONT WORRY GUYS
Theres 3 Armor players getting invites…….all is well in the world
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 10:49 AM EST reply actions
I can't wait to do a comparison when the season starts.
Who had the Better offseason: the nets or the armor??
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 10:51 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Thad Young's price
One source explained that a solid contract offer to Young would be in the range of $28 million to $32 million over four years. The Sixers would match a contract in this range, multiple NBA sources confirmed.
If that contract value begins creeping near $38 million to $40 million and possibly even higher, the Sixers will have a difficult decision to make.
So, would you give Thad Young 9-10 million a year? I’d do it
I would
I don’t understand how people on this board are so sure Brooks and James will end up being rotation players if not reliable scorers, while immediately shooting down Thad Young. I’d go for it
by sheepareevil on Dec 8, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
i would not
We play to win the game!
by stevieboyNETS on Dec 8, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
what would striking out entail?
Not getting nene, howard, or chandler?
I don't think striking out hinges on those 3...
Striking out means we did not improve our roster…
we won’t strike out..you’ll see
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Andy
got the scoop.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
Understand how alotta people are skeptical about caron
but if we dissect it:
year before last he played 74 games, he was supposedly ready for the finals, he can easily score 15 points a game and maybe more with dwill, we have the athletically gifted and hopefully defensive specialist to be Damion James coming off the bench along with Marshon who could probably swing it at the 3 spot as well……7 mill a year is what freaking outlaw was getting, you’re telling me that a butler with a reconstructed knee, heck even with 2 rehabbed knees isnt better than travis freaking outlaw…..or just damion james for that matter?
He is savvy and is the type of player that even when he starts to break down is still going to find a way to score buckets 3-4 years deep into his contract
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions
The outlaw comparison is bad because he should have never gotten 7 mill
by Rodney Buford on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
understood
but this is what a guy like this will command…..
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Nets make it official
Nets_PR Nets PR Dept.
Nets make it official: Hire P.J. Carlesimo and Mario Elie as assistant coaches.
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Also...
Nets_PR Nets PR Dept.
Nets also welcome Dr. Jeremy Bettle as their new Strength and Conditioning Coach.
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Bettle has been instrumental in the success of UCSB’s athletics programs since his arrival. His work may best be reflected in the Gauchos’ men’s basketball program which has won the last two Big West Conference championship and advanced to the NCAA Tournament in consecutive years for the first time in school history.
“This is a big loss for our program,” said UCSB head coach Bob Williams. “But while I’m disappointed for us, I am so excited and happy for Jeremy. The Nets have made a great hire and I am certain it will pay dividends for them.”
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Via this
Per 36 minutes
Caron Butler – 31 years old
18.1 ppg 4.9 rpg 1.9 apg 1.2 spg 45% FG 43% 3PT 77% FT
Thad Young – 23 years old
17.6 ppg 7.3 rpg 1.4 apg 1.5 spg 54% FG 27% 3PT 71% FT
between those 2, i'd pick young but...
it appears dwill is picking and he picks butler. you could sign both since young also plays the 4 and butler can play at the 2.
you're right about dwill picking. but...
if dwill bolts, we have a 23 year old blossoming player to go along with other young talent
I know billy king expressed interest in him earlier in 2011
But if we’re guaranteed to overpay someone, at least Thad is young, athletic, can defend two positions, and has a clean bill of health
so Caron Butler for 7 mill...Thad for 9.
2 mill ain’t nothin’ but a thang.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
More important stats as far as I'm concerned...
In the last 4 years….
Young has missed 30 games…
Butler’s missed 100 games….
Last year Young played in 82 games…Butler played 29 games.
And of course Young is 8 years younger…
Thad Young is a tweener
He achieved most of his good stats on the PF position. He can’t shoot either, as evident by 3 Pt and FT numbers.
AK at age 50 will still be a way better passer and ballhandler than Young will ever be
Young doesn’t possess half AK’s BBIQ
Ii would still take a young athletic player...
over an aging player who’s body breaks down often…
He has enough BBIQ to know how to play off the ball
Young is quicker than most fours and because of that, when he starts moving around, whether it be off of transition or after setting a screen and rolling to the rim, he is able to establish strong post position after making a cut.
In the halfcourt, most of his baskets come from smart cuts to the rim where every motion is resolute and lightning quick.
He’s specifically mentioned working on his midrange game over the summer
Id love to get him
While we lacked in many things last season, athleticism was way up on the list. players like dwill negate youngs alleged low BBIQ.
Thaddeus Young for some reason just reminds me
of an outlaw part 2…..clearly a better player but…….cant put my finger on what it is
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions
2 things:
A) David West’s knee injury hurt him badly in free agency but make no mistake, David West will get paid- maybe not more than a $12-14 million contract, though. I think teams see Nene as the sure thing and Chandler is the buzz player coming off an NBA Finals in which he and the Mavericks defense were outstanding. Teams are going to sign those two guys first and then haggle over West. There is still a good chance the Nets go after David West if they can’t sign either of these two players. I think either way he will get some kind of upgrade on his last contract (wasn’t it 8 million?)
B) Deron Williams said he wants to sign in a place where he can spend the rest of his career. Deron Williams says his wife always wanted to live in New York City. You people don’t get it: Deron Williams is looking for a reason to stay. Just give him a competent team with some good veterans that can make the playoffs. I like Butler, it’s not clear who they’re going to get from the big man crop. I expect a public offer to Nene or Chandler tomorrow as soon as free agency opens from the Nets.
West got $45 million over 5 on his last contract...
…but the value decreased each year, so he only lost around $7.5 million by opting out
A Pro-rated $7.5mil
Worst case scenario, he’ll get a MLE type of deal from a team. He didn’t give up that much money. Perhaps a team with cap space that it must spend even offers him a big one year deal.
Honestly I didn't wanted to be killed here for for saying D West coming home and will be a Net very soon
but I’m happy you said it Nets FO was quit on him and that makes me believe he’s going to be a Net he’s low risk high reword
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Dwight staying in ORL?
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
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Howard really likes Orlando and he is young. He might decide ‘at the end of the day’ to sign the extension and wait patiently while the team pulls itself out of Cap Hell. The amnesty clause will help speed the process along.
I don’t think the Magic have the assets this season to make a trade for a major player. No, I know they don’t. But Howard might be willing to wait if his heart is really in Orlando.
Zero talk about Jeff Green.............
Thank the Lord
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions
I'd take Green at 7m over Butler at 7m
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
i beg to differ.....never seen green do anything consistently
except hit all those 3s against us
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
im with ya on that andres
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
on both of em
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I saw that coming
Kidd/Mourning type signing there too. Lebron had his teeth in that one.
Dont be surprised that Curry is in shape and becomes a cheap beast.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
could it have been the plan all along to get david west at a much lesser deal than what he was expecting
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions
if he comes cheap me neither
picture west at 6 per, caron at 7, that leaves us another 12 or so after amnestying outlol…..we can sign someone else, and then go over the cap to keep hump
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
u really think west is gonna fetch 12 mill?
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
wow
thats disgusting
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
give me caron/nene/hump
im a happy man….youve just added potentially 35 pts per game to ur starting lineup that werent there last year, and hump can be that beast off the bench!!!!!! Of course you gotta pray for health, but isnt that the case always
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions
Sounds like Deron is a happy camper...(LOL)
DeronWilliams Deron Williams
Just touched down in NYC weather is nasty and traffic is worse
15 hours ago
ohnoes the traffic is bad in nyc
hes leaving the nets
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 8, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
LoL!!!
Dont worry wait for the tweet about the Nike photo shoot for the billboard in time square.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
At least Jordan Williams is concentrating on basketball...
Jwilliams20 Jordan Williams
Every man needs a GOOD woman when his life is a mess, because just like the game of chess, the queen protects her king
13 hours ago
Send that poet to the d league.
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Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
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by Andy. on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless
you are Ned Starks or Robert Baratheon.
JWill sounds like a very smart guy for his age.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
read his tweets and you will quickly change your mind.
He is still veryyyy immature.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Actually, yikes. From Hollinger’s player profiles, the Dallas Mavericks:
Butler’s defensive reputation is poor, but it appeared he tried harder in Dallas than he did in Washington. His stats in a limited sample of games last season were very strong — an opponent PER of 10.5, one of the highest ratings among small forwards by Synergy, and a 5.3 points per 100 possessions differential. Given his unimpressive results in Washington, that’s likely just a small-sample outlier, but we should keep an open mind if the same data crops up again this season. That will be more difficult, alas, as Butler tries to recover from a serious knee injury. As a jump shooter, his offense might not suffer too much, but it might be increasingly difficult for a 31-year-old with a bad wheel to defend the position.
Butler is not worth the money
some of you guys are seriously kidding yourselves.
by MrDollarBills on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he just had knee surgery!
Don’t you know anything about modern medicine? They inject anti-gravity matter into the knees now… He’ll be able to run faster and jump higher! Especially at ages 31 through 35!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Dec 8, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Being able to play defense is far overrated...(LOL)
If Butler ends up our prize free agent…god help us all.
New Rules that might
help or hurt us
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7329584/nba-alters-emphasis-shooting-fouls-2011-12
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
Brook makes a living off these
“Rip-through” moves, in which an offensive player swings the ball into a defender’s outstretched arm and then attempts a shot once he has created contact, will be considered non-shooting fouls if the contact begins before the offensive player starts his shooting motion.
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i personally
Think that’s good for brook. He started to go away from his game and just try to draw these stupid fouls usually resulting in an awful looking shot and a goofy brook look at the ref. God I’m happy I don’t have to see anymore of that
by cdr4prez on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice!
Consider me a fan of the new rules… but yeah, Brook loved loved loved the rip-through.
For guys with slow computers or just damn lazy...
“Rip-through” moves, in which an offensive player swings the ball into a defender’s outstretched arm and then attempts a shot once he has created contact, will be considered non-shooting fouls if the contact begins before the offensive player starts his shooting motion.
Also, on drives to the basket, a shooting foul will be called only if contact occurs after the offensive player has begun his shooting motion, not after he has initiated his leap toward the basket.
“Certain types of contact involving the shooter were all being called in his favor,” Jackson said. “It doesn’t look good for the game. There was a strong feeling that those types of plays were creating an ill-advised reward for the shooter, often with three free throws.”
The league will also make traveling in the post and on the perimeter a point of emphasis, with a player hopping off of and landing on the same foot viewed as an automatic violation. Referees will also consider locking or clamping an opponent’s arm or hand under the basket while battling for a rebound and discontinued or hesitation dribbles as automatic violations.
Several rule changes will also be introduced, most to shorten the overall length of games and speed up the final minutes of a contest:
• Substitutions will only be allowed before the final free throw of any trip to the line that is not for a technical or flagrant foul.
• Two horns will be sounded 15 seconds apart after every timeout. Teams whose players are not moving toward the court as soon as the second horn sounds will receive a delay-of-game warning.
• Instant replay will be utilized only during full timeouts, not 20-second timeouts, when necessary.
• Whether a player’s foot is on the three-point line or midcourt line will be determined by where it last touched the floor, meaning a player could have a toe on the three-point line but if he leans back on his heels before he releases the ball a successful shot would be deemed a three-pointer.
• The eight-second backcourt violation will occur when the shot clock reaches 15 seconds, rather than 16.
The last rule is necessary because the 24-second shot clock will now be equipped to show 10ths for the final five seconds and work as a “true” clock. From a technical standpoint, the old shot clock began with 24.9 seconds and expired with .9 left. Now the clock will switch from 24 to 23 seconds after .1 second has expired.
by M I K E on Dec 8, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody believes the NBA & their BS rule changes!
Remeber how they changed the rule where you get a tech for clear flopping? Yeah me either…even though it was implemented a couple years ago!
Not easy to tell that someone is flopping when it happens right in front of you on the court and things are happening so fast.
So why the rule change?
Because they knew it was a clear problem! No need for excuses AFTER you change the rule. They could have just as easy gave the excuse you just did for them & said they can’t do anything to stop it.
Hollinger on Thad:
Although Young is only 22 and has put up very good numbers to this point, one wonders where he can take his game from here. His inability to defend the 4 makes him a tough sell as a starting power forward, yet his numbers have been dramatically worse at the 3 his entire career because of his shaky shooting and weak handle. While his dribble has improved a bit — particularly his formerly ornamental right hand — he’s still something of a fish out of water on the perimeter.
Nonetheless, he’s a valuable player. Few players play better as a sub than as a starter, but it appears Young may be one of them, and as long as he doesn’t have to guard beastly post players he’s an extremely effective two-way force.
You guys are funny
Shawn Marion, DeShawn Stevenson, Brendan Haywood…these are all guys you’d bash if we talked about bringing them to NJ, yet they were critical pieces to a championship. JJ Barea playing with Terry in the backcourt. OMG I would love to see the reaction of how that small backcourt would get killed defensively…just like in the Finals right? Crawford isn’t a superstar player & is not a great defender, but in the right spot he can be HUGE for a team. Even Tyson Chandler would be a waste of space on some teams. The point is to find the right guys for the right situation. Stop breaking every guy down & saying what he can’t do….that’s what a TEAM is for! What else could Steve Kerr do? What else could Ben Wallace do? Everyone has a role guys. It’s not about getting the guy that can do it all. It’s about getting the right guys for the right role.
gr8 post
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
He must be really annoying on Defense.
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Nets should commit 4/60 for Nene, screw it all
I’d rather go into the season with a monster frontcourt than sitting back, making mediocre signings like butler and thad young, and watching Deron shimmy his way out of here
Unbelievable that we’ve got from Nene/Chandler to OMG we might get Dwight to um so yeah whats up with Caron Butler and resigning the Hump? If this is the best that we can do you all might as well forget it. Deron bolts and NO ONE worth a damn will play for the Nets.
Meanwhile, Chris Paul is singlehandedly making sure that the Knicks will get him in a trade for PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR. The threat about becoming the New York Clippers is very real imo.
Not looking good here. I hope that King surprises me like he did at the deadline, but the past is the past. But, we’ll see what happens tomorrow.
Solidify the frontcourt and see what we can do at SF with the money remaining from Outlaw being beaten with the amnesty stick. We are desperate, so maybe if we make an immediate improvement, we can figure something out as we go along…but allowing ourselves to be blanked again in the FA market, even one as bad as this, is a no no for the situation we’re win….If not, then man up and trade Williams out of here asap and tank it so we can shoot for Anthony Davis or Lamb with our own pick in the draft. If we’re going to stink, at least we can continue rebuilding instead of being stupid enough to put garbage players around Williams.
the pressure is on BK big time
if he strikes out he’ll have to trade dwill.
I am with you.
I am ok with Nene for $15-17 mil. I see the potential for a Dwill/Nene/Lopez team.
Dwill Stocken/Malone to Nene.
Lopez post up with an entry pass from Dwill.
Nene post up, double team comes leaving Lopez open for a 15 footer. Assist to Nene.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
exactly
its a start, not one that I wanted due to overpayment, but its a start.
by MrDollarBills on Dec 8, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
They should get this guy.
We need someone to defend the opposing team’s best SG/SF.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
we're bidding on Caron Butler
who has a bum leg while Hill is healthy and has played for most of the season over the last few years.
wow. Good to see we’re being serious here
by MrDollarBills on Dec 8, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Grant Hill is 39 years old
He should be going to LA or Miami or Dallas if they were keeping TC. Why waste time with the Knicks.
Former coach, former system, former teammates
its not just nets vs knicks(although that plays a decent factor)
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Hill would be better than Butler for sure
Hills has been playing some great D the last few years.
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
Hump Mix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd9zg-ImXw8
I don't speak English
by RussianNets on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Keep….No excuse. C’mon NETS!
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by Andy. on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
gotta keep the hump
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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by Claud on Dec 8, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sixers are 3.3 points per 100 possessions better on defense with Young on the floor
Also 3.4 points per 100 better on offense when he’s on the floor.
Young is just what I’ve always thought, a PF on offense and a SF on defense. He’s not some sort of lost tweener IMO, you know that’s how he’s gonna be effective
On offense he puts up a PER of 13.9 as a SF, 20.7 as a PF
On defense SFs put up a PER of 16.8 against him, PFs and Cs put up 18.3-18.6
I think it's too risky to overpay for Young
Thorn will likely take the full 3 days to decide to match. Then we would most likely miss out on other targets.
by Rodney Buford on Dec 8, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
They're already making their minds up right now
It’s not like they’re only making their decisions tomorrow or in a few days, pretty much everyone will have made their choice by tomorrow
LoL!
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
Battier will sign with the Heat
Greg Oden will stay with the Blazers
Albert Pujols signs with the Angels
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also
TJ Ford to the Spurs
Sebastian Telfair to the Suns
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
The NBA - Where 2012 doesn't happen
Patrick Ewing - The NBA's all-time leader in rushing yards
More importantly where did Net Income and NetsDaily go ?
We are now homeless orphans left to the cruel fate of the NBA gods…
We'll always have the NetsDaily roof over our heads
But the while the Masters of the House are out and about, it’s our world
If we sign Nene OR TC
and add Butler, AK, or Tayshaun we will be massively improved over last year. I also believe there is a lot of promise in Brooks, James, and another year from our own big guy, Brook.
That is plenty to get DWill to resign, be the face of a new team in Brklyn, and take his $30M more than Cuban can give him to play with an old Dirk.
We need to relax until we don’t get NeneORtc and end up without a decent 3.
If those things happen, this will be a great year of improvement in MANY areas and a great way to lead into the new digs.
Also Battier apparently is going to Miami for sure now
Tom Haberstroh: My reaction to the Heat’s latest signing of Shane Battier: Is he better than Mike Miller? — http://es.pn/vEzFFk about 7 minutes ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1fxm5X1gC
Frank Isola: Although Shane Battier forgot to tweet it, Eddy Curry will be joining him in Miami about 14 minutes ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1fxmQnPpw
How can clubs be making deals now when free agency starts tomorrow ?
Didn’t the NBA say no oral or written deal could be made until Friday ?
Miami cheating once again ?
Not that the Nets were ever going to seriously sign him
But some mentioned his name….
Jason Quick: BREAKING: Greg Oden will be a Trail Blazer next season. Agent Bill Duffy says Oden will sign 1-year qualifying offer on Friday for $8.9 mil 1 minute ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1fxlJttuN
it's not black and white. Ofcourse they verbally agreeing.
Trying to get a head start on training camp
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 12:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
NBA news on twitter is highly active right now. just nothing relevant to us.
Closest we got was more chandler news on GSW
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Travis Outlaw is so bad
He has ruined the combo 3-4 forward forever.
Thaddeus Young is NOT Tramnesty OutClaws.
eddy curry to heat. can't wait to see this.
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 11:59 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Oh Mavs and Deron...
The other nine players under contract were accounted for, including Jason Kidd and Dirk Nowitzki, who took in the Jay-Z concert at the AAC Tuesday night and is expected to talk to the media on Thursday.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4681541/mavs-missing-one-player-for-physicals
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more rumors than even we are to deal with are forthcoming
I remain confident in the Deron Williams Era regardless!
Dallas will be in the same position where nets right now
The only difference is B Lo 23and will get better and Mavs won’t have nobody, unless you want to count 34 years old Dirk and. Marion. Not worried about them at all
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Give me Brook and Nene please
A decent SF addition, and lets see if Marshon can break out.
I’m fine with this route.
are you still of belief
that he leaves after next season?
by JerseysFinest. on Dec 8, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
resign the hump too
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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Changed my mind again: Tyson over Nene
1) Amnesty Outlaw
2) Split our $23mil between Chandler & Crawford
3) Successfully shop Morrow+Farmar+pick(s) for Josh Smith/Iggy/G. Wallace
4) Use $2.5mil exception on a depth guy, e.g. McRoberts
Depth Chart:
DWill/Gaines
Crawford/Brooks
Smith(or other)/James
Chandler/McRoberts/JWill
Lopez/Petro
Beauty is every player has distinct strengths/roles & most of the starters are versatile (Chandler = 4/5, Smith=3/4, Crawford=1/2). Plus if Orlando ever changes their mind on dealing Howard, we could afford to give them any 2 of Lopez/Chandler/Smith.
The right price is what the market dictates.
Period.
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AK - Lopez - Chandler
That would be a tall 3 – 4 -5…
I like it.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
by Top Whodi on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't want Ak... But...
I am with you on Chandler. Between him and Nene, he would be a better fit if the Nets are looking to compete now…
i’m kind of leaning towards nene. i think d-will can convince him to sign for less in exchange for d-will guaranteeing to sign extension next year
The reason why I lean towards Chandler is because the nets would need his defense to compete...
Having Nene would improve the offense. But we still couldn’t outscore teams like the Heat, OCS, and even the Knicks. But adding chandler would give a better chance to make scoring tougher on those types of teams…
If Deron wants Chandler, I'm good w Chandler
If he wants Nene, then I want Nene.
Personally I think Nene is a beast and underrated. I think Tyson is perhaps a bit overrated and more injury prone.
But either, I’m good with.
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Chandler is a better fit with Brook,
but terrible fit with Howard. Nene is an equally good fit with Brook or Howard.
keep hearing about Tyson returning to the bay
that’d be very interesting I guess. We’ll see what his true priorities are soon
He would be a good fit in GS...
He is a true center who is athletic enough to run with that team…
NI said it will go down to the wire...
Well he’s right.
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Sorta off TO: Would Bogs be a Net next year since reading new CBA agreement?
Kind of looks do-able!! Nets can put 525K to 550K next year to buying him out it looks like
bq.
* The international player buyout amount is increased from $500,000 to $525,000 this year, and by $25,000 each additional season.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33746971
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
there is no way I get any work done today and tomm
by ItsAllNets on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
The ball is in Tyson Chandler’s court.
With NBA free agents allowed to officially sign contracts on Friday, Chandler has a deal from the Warriors in front of him worth more than $60 million over four years, according to two league sources.
Read more: Chandler has offer from Warriors
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
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Like Andy said
that is a lot of money for a defensive C with no offense. I wonder what Dalembert is going to get.
This just shows you that money talks. You go from championship team to GS. SMH!!!!
I guess you cant blame the guy. Might be his last contract.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
by SIC One on Dec 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
to be fair
he hasn’t signed it yet
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thats a hella amount of money
and he’d be stupid to walk away from the opportunity to play near home and be paid like that. I prefer Nene regardless.
by JerseysFinest. on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Say goodbye to Tyson Chandler!!! Haha
Tyson Chandler has contract in hand from Warriors as they await his decision. http://t.co/VTR8cDRP
Like I said it was all a smokescreen! Haha
by boogeewon on Dec 8, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
dude ur a minute late…lol
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Know right?! Haha damn mobile site!
I never thought him or nene were really worth all that money and compared to what he could do for GS it would be more on them to break the bank! They also have a new owner looking to satisfy that city with a winning team
by boogeewon on Dec 8, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In order to sign Chandler – assuming he agrees – the Warriors will likely have to amnesty center Andris Biedrins, still owed $27 million over three years.
Read more: Chandler has offer from Warriors
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
I wIould take Biedrins!
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
only 25…and averaged a double double in ‘08-’09
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Yep
and a $17 mil contract. Granted Chandler is better defensively, but Nene more of an all a round PF/C.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
they probably
won’t.
Thats more money than nets offered carlos boozer
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It was early Wednesday afternoon that Rod Thorn called agent Rob Pelinka and offered his client, power forward Carlos Boozer, a contract worth $75 million to play for the Nets for the next five seasons.
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/07/nets_stunned_by_carlos_boozers.html
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Ah so not 80, but 15 over 5
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The Nets don't have to offer more than GS
If it was the same amount and he had to decide between GS and Nets, I think he’d go with us. A couple of rumors past has said he’d want to play with DWill. 60 mil over 4 is around 14 starting. That would still leave around 10 with an Outlaw amnesty.
That is, if the Nets really want Chandler.
You mean
What are the Nets waiting for in giving the authority to leak all their potential deals to the media?
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You can't make offer to players yet...
Hope some of these teams get fined or worse if reports are true…
For the last time people Nene and Chandler were NEVER options!!!
The writing was on the wall from the time the Nets started doing interviews haha!
Pay attention to what Billy King said “No leaks” and Al broke that story about the Nets top priorities to get back in like August that all the other sports writers jumped on!
Damn I’m glad I read the 50th Law/33 Strategies of War and 48 Laws of power because this is truly child’s play!
From day one I said trade trade trade and it’s too bad it’s gonna take for tomorrow to finally prove it!
by boogeewon on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
trade what?
we have no assets unless we move brook!
who’s gonna give us anything for james/farmar/petro?
are we unloading picks?
are we trading brooks?
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Hint hint for the last time
Just having cap space is a chip in itself! Smh
by boogeewon on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
honestly i get what your saying
but i dont think our cap space comes into play unless we are trading for DH12, and i think that ship has sailed all the way to australia by now
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
you're joking right?
do you know how many teams would want TE’s and other teams to absorb their bad contracts?
by JerseysFinest. on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
i get it....who are they?
and most of those teams are gonna ask for BLO, and im not willing to move brook and get back a good player along with a bad contract
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
hint hint
Teams only want to dump bad contracts and late picks on your cap space if you have no trade assets in return. That’s why Brook needs to go along with the cap space.
You got no assets, you got not much to trade. LA got Gasol via trade. Dallas got Chandler and Kidd via trade. Miami got Shaq via trade. And so on and on.
Philly wants to keep Young.. a SF
We trade:
14m Trade Exception
HOU #1
for
Iggy
This way they keep Young and can afford a center.
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
There's a chance the Nets don't overpay anyone
And save cap space for Dwight…
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We've come full circle lol better late than never for some people to hop aboard, I guess
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
doubt that happens…really do. And if it does…steal
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
I don't think 24 million is too much for him
28 million wouldn’t be too much for him, You can offer him millions more than Sactown and it would still be a great deal
why would he be giving sactown a discount?
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
I don't even care anymore about the price
just get either Nene or Chandler and call it a day.
We cannot strike out
Really? Chandler agreed to the offer?
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More than 15M for 4 seasons…tough to pass up.
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-November 26th, 3:17 am.
There's a reason that was floated out there
Now the Nets have to ante up. Agree or disagree with the cost but the market has now dictated it.
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Ehh
It’s a great offer, but who is to say that if he feels better about a situation he won’t take $13-$14mil for 4 seasons? If he’s smart, he’ll take the money & run, but players have taken slightly less to play where they want in the past.
Hey NI, Random Question about us Netsdailinquents
Do you have any server stats about your users and % of visitors to posters? I’ve been a DAILY reader/lurker for several years, and occasionally post, but rarely. I’m just as avid a nut as the rest of the bunch (hitting refresh about 400 times a day), and feel I know about this bunch of crazies (don’t get me started on the ridiculous pessimism in the face of our new ownership/investments).
Are there many more like me, or do the majority of those that login post (I ‘rec about 10 posts a day)? Just wonderin’. Keep up the good work, and don’t get caught up in all the negativity. As a fan, if we can’t hope for a better future, what is there?
why arent you going bonkers like the rest of us posters then?
What are you a normal person or something? lol
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I am... in silence
Angelo, I’ve ridden the I want Dwight, No I want Nene, No I want Chandler, No I want Dwight, No I want Chandler, No I want Nene, No I want CHUCKY HAYES OR BIEDRENS rollercoaster with the rest of you.
Just trusting that I couldn’t do anything about it by posting. It’s like Christmas, and I’m waiting for the really COOL present hidden behind the tree!
I'm telling you, pick up Biedrins instead
If you boost his confidence back up with Deron, he will be able to do a nice Chandler impression on the boards and with shotblocking
Exactly
they’re meeting Butler twice and offering him 7M per before they evn talk to Nene or Tyson face-to-face? What TH is going on here?
people on this site have gone through every step of the grieving process
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 8, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions
I am... in silence
Angelo, I’ve ridden the I want Dwight, No I want Nene, No I want Chandler, No I want Dwight, No I want Chandler, No I want Nene, No I want CHUCKY HAYES OR BIEDRENS rollercoaster with the rest of you.
Just trusting that I couldn’t do anything about it by posting. It’s like Christmas, and I’m waiting for the really COOL present hidden behind the tree!
LOL that awesome present is resigning the hump....dont wake up too early and run to the tree
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
What I don't understand about Butler is...
If we know that the other 2 teams that he likes can only offer the mid-level of $5M, and now with reports that the Clipps actually prefer Prince over Butler, why are we remotely thinking about giving him $2M over any other team? Why can’t we offer him $6M which is still an extra Mill he could get anywhere else… This would truly show if he wants to play for us, or is just all about the money… How can anyone outbid another team not by one million, but by 2? It’s absolutely insane to me!!! They could use that extra million to go towards Nene or Chandler… I just don’t get it!!
Forget all these guys.....I WANT LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE......
MAKE IT HAPPEN BILLY!!!!!!!
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions
The Nets can afford 60 mil over 4 years at 14 starting for Chandler
The offer being equal, Chandler picks us over GS.
Use the remaining 10 mil cap space to steal Afflalo.
Then a wink-wink deal with AK for the mini-MLE.
DWill
Afflalo
AK
Lopez
Chandler
Let’s do it.
give the MLE to the hump
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Afflalo is great and all but I'd only give him 8 per year at most
He’s not an elite defender, he’s only a good defender. He’s not some scorer, he’s a spot up shooter. He’s not really young, he’s 26. He’s not really big, he’s 6’5".
He’s a guy you’d love to have on your team, the type of SG that championship teams need, but you don’t bust out the bank for that unless they bring an elite skill
c'mon, 26 is young
26, 27, 28, 29 in a 4-year contract. The prime of his basketball years without the awkward growing up phase.
You don’t get elite skill for 10 million. Wade or Kobe are not playing for that kind of money. But the SG equivalent of say a young Tayshaun Prince would be alright.
The way some of you are acting
You must think Billy is asleep in a bed somewhere daydreaming about Allen Iverson, or perhaps he’s obsessed with the new Zelda game for the Wii.
He’s talking to Deron.
He’s talking to agents for Nene and Chandler.
He’s “working overtime” per Avery.
What he’s NOT doing is leaking everything to the media. So just please relax and understand that if Ćhandler signs with GS, it’s because Billy and Deron agreed it wasn’t prudent.
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I have it it's amazing
I would skip meeting with free agents for it.
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lmao
I played a demo last week, it was awesome. can’t afford it right now though, so i’m replaying Majora’s Mask in the meantime.
by sheepareevil on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
That is like the ONE Zelda game I never played...
I’ll be getting Skyward Sword if not for Xmas then next year sometime… I have a weird thing about buying vgames full price when I know I can get them for cheap in a few months.
me too
but I only play like 2-3 new video games a year, so I don’t mind paying full or near full price for a game that’s been called both the best of the series and best of the system.
by sheepareevil on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm preoccupied for now anyway...
With Assassin’s Creed etc… I actually do have Skyrim but I had lots of Best Buy points saved up and got it cheap. So at this rate I may have it for next Xmas hahaha
Nene is defintely going to command a max
by Andres B on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Guys stop panicking.... Chandler has not agreed to it and we know he wants to play with dwill + same agent
Like Avery said the other day, BK and him are working hard everyday.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
no we haven't
nets added a critically acclaimed actor to the production, we have no idea how this movie will pan out.
by JerseysFinest. on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
outlaw didnt get killed by the masked murderer in part 1
lets see if he makes it outta part 2 alive
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
DeronWilliams 1 min 43 secs ago Twitter On set with the crew from @NBAonESPN and @KyrieIrving yfrog.com/odlc3ubj
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
by Andy. on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
HATE THAT CLOWN BARRY
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by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 8, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What I hate
Is why is Deron on “NBA on ESPN” since the Nets are on “on ESPN”.
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you didnt know
hes discussing why hes leaving the nets i thought its was obvious
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 8, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
OMMgGGZzz he isn't wearing the 35 anniversary logo!!
He’s leaving!!
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You Know...
Barry is telling him, dude, Brooke stinks man, no one is coming to you guys, you’ll never get DH12 with that package, etc… If I saw him in the street, I would punch him in the face, and I assure you gents, I have a very strong straight right!
People are more upset now that we know he pricetag of everyone
I mean, even if we do get Chandler or Nene… we got them at a steep price, a price they will never ever live up to. Now we know why Atlanta gave Joe Johnson that money, It’s either pay the fine, or give up
Nice pricetag too...
It’d be nice to be 7 feet tall…. Sigh…
People here won't be happy
Mad to overpay, but mad we didn’t sign them.
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S.I. Sam Amick a couple hours ago...
With a growing sentiment around the league that the Nets won’t be acquiring Orlando’s Dwight Howard in a blockbuster deal anytime soon (most folks still see him landing with the Lakers at some point), I wouldn’t be shocked if they overpay one of the big men in an attempt to impress point guard Deron Williams as part of their ongoing recruitment for the future.
One note to consider: Chandler is represented by the same agent as Williams (Jeff Schwartz), meaning there would be serious financial incentive for all involved to have the two clients team up with the Nets. If Williams re-signs with New Jersey after this season, he could do so for five years and $100 million as opposed to four years $74 million elsewhere. In the absence of serious additions like Howard or, to a lesser degree, Chandler, a Williams exit would be highly likely.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/12/08/free.agency.trade.market/
So all the people that were
saying that King was doing nothing they were wrong.
King was doing something. Waiting.
He was waiting to see what the market value of these guys were. That is why the nets were butler’s last stop.
We are going to get someone, but we will give the best offer. Whether is is overpaying or not, it depends on your perspective.
Um because there isn’t even a CBA yet. If the new CBA said that you could amnesty a player you traded for, then we definitely wouldn’t use it on Outlaw. However, since we now know we can’t, once the rules are in place, the Nets can make a decision. <--- eLonepb
Chandler for 4 years/$60 million?
Forget it, I wouldn’t want to go anywhere near that.
Obviously he's not truly worth it
But if we don’t overpay for one of these guys, who are we saving money for?
Warriors offer Tyson Chandler 4 years, 60 million.
It’s time to play the overpaying game. Hey, it ain’t my money.
ya we must overpay
U can def build around Deron, Brook, and Nene
Trust in King
Deron is in contact with him and I’m sure Billy knows what Deron needs to stay. If he “overpays” for Chandler or Nene (as some say) maybe its required to keep Deron. If we don’t get them, perhaps Deron is OK with a prudent building process.
Worst case scenario is Deron walks. That is obviously bad.
I think Deron is an honest guy and does not want to “screw us over”. So.. if he knew by the trade deadline he wanted out, he would tell BK and we’d still have a great trade chip.
as an example
we could probably take any of the CP deals out there, if Deron wanted to stay in his new city
we could have a chance at:
-Minnesota’s #1 pick (from LAC)
-Rondo
-Stephen Curry
or maybe we trade for Westbrook if OKC consents. (Would you rather have a healthy Deron in his prime or take a chance that Westbrook will produce similar numers? Can’t see how OKC says no to that)
KBergCBS Ken Berger
If the deal goes through, the Knicks use amnesty on Chauncey Billups and move Ronny Turiaf to make room for Chandler, sources say.
he is definitely a good fit for them
just what they need: defensive toughness and not much offense. but really, do they have the room?
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 8, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yes they have enough to sign him
Let’s be reall they won’t get CP and Chandler is better fit to Knicks. CP will be a Laker soon enough One’s Kobe will convince Buss to make a trade for him, Kobe spoke with CP already
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
If they will get Chandler they will better team in NBA
i’ll go as far as they will favorite to win it all
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 8, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
nope they do that
Billups will be heading to Miami
knicks are officially contenders.
Dwight will be begging to get out the East. Hell pretty sure it won’t stop with him.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I said that made sense at the start of the offseason
Chandler fits their needs to a T, they were never going to get Paul, so why not dump Billups & get a center. Next year they can sign a MLE type of PG & be a top team.
so who exactly will play point guard for them?
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 8, 2011 1:08 PM EST reply actions
steve nash next year
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's down to Nene then
and it might have to be max
He have to step his game up
IF b Lo want to convince d will to stay he’s the one who will have to start playing like an all star and he have every intangible to be one
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Dec 8, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
what a great signing for the knicks
Wonder if steve nash will go there for the minimum next year?
Best case scenario
We don’t land any free agents, fans panic and threaten to become knickers , King lands Howard some time later and once again everyone feels dumb.
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