No Deal: Howard Trade Talks End
by Net Income on Dec 14, 2011 4:44 PM EST
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PrintWoj giveth and Woj taketh away. Thirteen hours after the reporting the Nets were preparing a blockbuster offer for Dwight Howard, Adrian Wojnarowski tweets, "Orlando has ended trade talks for Dwight Howard, league sources tell Y! Sports", later adding, "Magic decided to take Dwight Howard off market, ending talks with Nets and the rest of his NBA suitors for now, league sources tell Y!"
There were no details on why or when talks would be renewed. Chad Ford reported that the Nets "offered everything they could for Howard: Brook Lopez + FIVE 1st Rd picks. Theirs in 2011, 2013, 2015, 2017 + Rockets 2011 pick."
For the Magic, the decision is in line with their stated intention to keep Howard. An Orlando reporter, David Baumann, tweeted that GM Otis Smith told the media: “We are going to continue to talk to every team out there. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen.”
Brian Schmitz, long-time Orlando reporter, tweeted "Magic trying to smoke out L.A. with Nets trade tease. Lakers didn't bite. Magic want PGasol and ABynum for DHoward. Now what? Wait."
For the Nets, the news has to be devastating for it means that they have struck out, at least temporarily, on Howard after seeing all their major free agent targets go elsewhere or stay home: Tyson Chandler (Knicks), Nene Hilario (Nuggets), Tayshaun Prince (Pistons), Caron Butler (Clippers). They do retain $16 million in cap space and are now faced with the choice of using the amnesty provision to dump Travis Outlaw, a decision that must be made by the close of business Friday.
- Magic tell teams they're not trading Howard - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- Sources: Magic take D-12 off trade market - Chad Ford & Marc Stein
- Orlando Magic no longer taking Dwight Howard trade offers, sources say - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- Magic not ready to trade Howard - Ken Berger - CBS Sports
- Magic-Howard Limbo - AP
- Magic halt Dwight Howard trade talks - Jeff Zillgitt - USA Today
- Magic stand pat -- for now -- as Dwight Howard trade rumors heat up - Josh Robbins - Orlando Sentinel
- Magic in no hurry to deal Howard - Sam Gardner - FOX Sports Florida
- Dwight Howard trade disappears, leaving Nets searching for new frontcourt options - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- MAGIC VIDEO: Otis Smith on Dwight Howard Rumors - Orlando Magic
- Deron Williams Interview Dec 14, 2011 10:19am (Video) - New Jersey Nets
- Magic take Howard off the market - Andy Vasquez - The Record
- Where do the Nets go from here? - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
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Season over
Here we go again
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Dec 14, 2011 2:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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The only leak I want to hear about….
by M I K E on Dec 14, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
NOT OVER AT ALL
The Magic best trade partner is the Nets if they dont trade him he’s coming as a free agent ….. the Magic carpets are trying to make D12 look bad, by putting some melo-fan pressure on him and at the same time make that first first-round pick look a little sweeter by holding out on the trade for a month this draft is suppose to be a real strong one according to the experts …… L.A. is bent on getting CP3 before the Clipps (Blake Griff & Paul= Lakers nightmare in there own biulding) and the fLakers are not gonna give up four first rounders like us !!! Theyre playing politics with The nets the only dance partners from here on! .. YO BILLY KING GOT THIS!!!!!
It never friggin ends
It’s the SAME as last year.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
At least we have a healthy dwill
And a healthy Lopez for the whole season (even if it’s only 66 games)
… Yeah this is pretty awful, but trying to stay positive! We didn’t get contracted!
Orlando owned us
You want to keep Deron? Sureeeee… we’ll give you Dwight! Everyone else signs Hah a just kidding go Cuban!
What You think?
What can we get for dwill?
Or does this howard trade go down later?
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Dec 14, 2011 2:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I say hit up the Clips and OKC
Get Westbrook+ hopefully Ibaka or Bledsoe Aminu and Minny first roundr
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Probably happening at a later date. Dwight is gonna leave the Magic, no question. Now this just means the Magic lose a lot of leverage since they’ll need to take whatever is out there at a later date instead of getting what they want now.
by IrishPride187 on Dec 14, 2011 3:19 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
They may want MarShon.
Right to Bohgdonavic
by Zartan on Dec 14, 2011 4:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Struck out two straight years
This is just embarrassing. We are forever going to be the joke of the league.
Struck out last year?
Look at your screen name, we ended up with a better player than we missed
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 14, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Key word "FOR NOW"
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Magic decided to take Dwight Howard off market, ending talks with Nets and the rest of his NBA suitors for now, league sources tell Y!
1 minute ago
by d2d on Dec 14, 2011 2:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Otis just needed a bathroom break?
by TheNetsFan on Dec 14, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Wonderful
If they amnesty Outlaw, they end up with a TON of cap space, but then may have to dole out awful contracts to reach the cap floor, thus limiting flexibility to trade for Dwight in the future. Sounds awesome. The Nets are completely screwed.
We shouldn't Amnesty Outlaw until Summer 2011
At this point.
we'll need a time machine for that
by soul driver on Dec 14, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
time
we can buy a time machine w/ our cap space…great
by Ethan Zombek on Dec 14, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
If amnestied
Outlaw’s contract still counts toward the salary floor. Also, you don’t need to use the cap space until the trade deadline.
This ^
You people really gotta get off your doom and gloom tirade and read the details of the amnesty clause. Outlaw should go, because his contract still counts against the salary floor but not against the cap.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
This is just a delay
D12 will be on the move by the end of the season
time to move on, they'll cave later
Right now, it’s time to make some moves. If Portland really wants the cap sapce, trade for G. Wallace and then sign Hump to a big 1yr deal. Amnesty Outlaw and get on with the season.
by domininaldo1981 on Dec 14, 2011 2:43 PM EST reply actions
Forget Nene, Chandler, Wallace, etc...
Dwight is still the sole target now, during the season and during FA.
No problem...
Hump, Evans and Williams for 1-year deals.
Works for me. We are all in for Dwight. We are still moving to Brooklyn with the richest owner in sports.
Just no immediate satisfation but it will be even sweeter when he helps us move to Brooklyn.
Might as well
keep Outlaw to hold cap space, and amnesty when needed..
oh didnt realize that , thx
get rid of the bum then.
OH CRAP!
I wanted NENE because we wouldn’t have to give up our future to get him. NOW we have to give up everything, including THE NETS DANCERS to get Dwight closer to the trade deadline. My only hope, is that someone will also take Stephen Graham from us as part of the deal….If Billy King doesn’t find a way to send Stephen Graham to the D-League or MInnesota, then he should be fired.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
Graham will be cut by Dec 25
his contract is only guaranteed pass that date
by domininaldo1981 on Dec 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
If the Nets aren’t getting Dwight this season they should keep Outlaw and let him ride the pine. Give him the amnesty before the start of next season, give Hump a one year deal, bring in a few back ups at 1 year, and have tons of cap space to go after Dwight and the other talented vets in the 2012 class.
we just got trolled hard by Otis. Ridiculous.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 14, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions
Yawn. Stop overreacting.
Did you really think a deal was going to get done today? Please. This was expected.
We NEED to dump Outlaw, gonna need the cap space
Is it true that Hump will be able to veto deals if we sign him to a one year contract? If we’re gonna trade him mid-season, we don’t really NEED to sign him to just a one year contract. Though if we want to reach the salary floor it could be a nice one sweep signing.
Exactly how much do we need to spend to reach the floor? Is 9 million correct?
as a backup plan for Dwight if that falls through
I would be very happy if the Nets could scoop J Smith as a back up plan. Smith and Lopez could be a very solid front line.
This is fine by me
We have the space to sign him as a free agent and that let’s us keep Brook to trade in a year when we have D12 and Dwill. Those picks will be nice to have as well.
by Stephen Schmidt on Dec 14, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions
on to the next one
Woj said Nets would sign Hump to a $8-$9 mil one year deal
then they should get Shawne Williams for a one year, and an additional vet
Posted this in the last thread, but it makes more sense here...
I can’t help but worry that something bad is going to happen out of the blue, like Rajon Rondo going to Orlando in some sort of wacky multiple team trade.
Ah god, sorry guys, somebody posted in on another forum and I though it was real
Heres the link in case you dont believe me
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243182
Sorry, I felt for it
I can finally have a complete sleep at nights
and enjoy the rest of the holiday season.
I’m still expecting DH12 to be here before year end though.
Git it done!
Deron. Morrow. Brook. MarShon.
If nothing else, watching these guys will be a blast. Unfortunately, ORL will be asking for MarShon when the time comes.
Dr. J~Super Buck~Draz~JKidd~Deron
Unless MarShon disappoints
Possibly lol but still.
thats what I'm afraid of.
If I’m BK and this stretches out to the trading deadline, i would just wait til the offseason and keep BLo, Brooks and picks.
Is hate to strong a word?
I may hate Otis
by nwkiddnj on Dec 14, 2011 2:47 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
One Theory is that BK told him to say that!!! So nobody attempts any more pitches.
OS stated what he wants.
BK will get it done with the other 2 teams.
BK said let’s end the nonsense ….din’t I tell you we doing this stealth mode. …
Screw this this season is trash all over again.
We should be expecting another horrible season with our all star line up.
doesn’t even matter…. NETS FOR LIFE
This is probably for the best. If Dwight really wants out he will now have to force his way out. Put an end to the drama!
by navBBWC on Dec 14, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
as annoying as this is
I think we get D12 eventually. FA or thru trade I feel he’ll be a Net
by nwkiddnj on Dec 14, 2011 2:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
STOP BUGGING OUT
Its not worth it. If you thought this wouold go down today you were etting yourself up to be dissapointed. The SEASON HASNT STARTED and your talking about treading out star point guard! Its absurd guys c’mon.Just be patient!
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
by HBreezy15 on Dec 14, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I think it's plan D now
Shelden Williams was our C maybe
Season over
I won’t attend a single game
by NetsKiNG on Dec 14, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm tired with BK and his strategy
This team si BS now…and stop with all the speculation and unrealistic things. We’re screwed
Brooklyn we go hard...
Proky?
Plan “P” is to have Proky start at small forward. Better him than OUTLAW!
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
Proky vs Obama
2 world leaders that have a little jump shot. Settle issues in international court.
For the MOMENT
sam_amick Sam Amick
Source with knowledge of Dwight Howard trade talks confirms 3-way deal w/ Orlando, NJ and Portland – and all others – dead for the moment.
How long before Dwill asks outta here? Not long
The Nets will be going in to Brooklyn with a roster worse than the year before Derrick Coleman.
King should be fired
The Devils have won more titles than all Philly pro sports teams combined in the last 25 years
by Real Big Devils Fan on Dec 14, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions
In King... we trust?
Can’t he pull of some expiring contracts or something. Wow. Talk about a bad off season.
So the Nets aren't getting anyone?
What a surprise..
Now back to the original plan… What can WE get for Deron?
people like you are starting to piss me off
let it play out first
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Dec 14, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I REALLY REALLY, don't care!!! If we get him now or later!!! We will get him later in the season before the deadline.
If not the deadline then in the offseason and Orlando will lose him for NOTHING!!!!!! lets keep our picks…. suck this season a bit….draft a stud in the top 10 of the NBA draft and sign howard…. done.
Fully Expect
Otis and Billy King to be back talking prior to the 1st Jan deadline. Theres just no way with a trade request that Howard doesn’t want to leave proir to the new year and if he doesn’t you better believe he’s leaving as a free agent
by N.Ireland Nets Fan on Dec 14, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions
Orlando will acquire guys Dwight wants to play with
The Nets have Petro, Graham, Outlaw and NBDL players
The Devils have won more titles than all Philly pro sports teams combined in the last 25 years
by Real Big Devils Fan on Dec 14, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nets = joke Horrible GM and Mgmt
They got no one again
The Devils have won more titles than all Philly pro sports teams combined in the last 25 years
by Real Big Devils Fan on Dec 14, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions
Yeah the Nets didn't trade for anyone last year...
Don't muddy my celebration.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Dec 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
go away
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Dec 14, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you hate that part of the rollercoaster?
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
by Andy. on Dec 14, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the only part I hate is when the ride is over
I luv the adrenalin rush, and the excitement it brings.
Just like in the NBA.
Git it done!
Wow Portland got a great deal for helping us out...
sam_amick Sam Amick
@wojyahoonba first reported Howard talks ending, and second source confirms now. Being told Portland stood to gain 4 first-rounders in deal.
I hate Otis.
If that's the case
They must have been taking on substantial salary. Possibly even Hedo.
You don't think Portland's FO won't be on Otis' moiso
about losing(potentially) 4 picks in a loaded draft? Come on.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
yes!!
i thought we were offering too much for howard anyway
check out the magic blog.
they all thought our offer was trash.
Expect another trade rumor
The current trade scenario is dead.
Expect a new scenario to pop up.
Git it done!
Alright guys...
I have to go back to studying for my finals tomorrow, but I’ll just restate the obvious.
This is good news for the Nets. Now one of three (good) things can happen:
(1) The Nets will trade for Howard sometime before the deadline and give up less.
Brook Lopez will undoubtedly boost his value. Undoubtedly. The Nets won’t have to take back Turkoglu’s contract. So, if this is the outcome, the Nets have more assets to fill out the team around Williams and Howard.
(2) The Magic trade Howard to another team.
Remember: If he’s traded after January 1st, he has no incentive to stay with the team he’s traded to. He and Williams have obviously discussed playing together — presumably to take down the Heat — so they’ll be open communication there. So, in this scenario, the Nets would be able to sign Howard in the off-season without giving up any assets.
(3) The Magic don’t trade Howard.
This allows the Nets to retain all of their assets. They would presumably sign Howard in the off-season and use their draft picks (and possibly Lopez) to fill out the rest of the team. This would allow them to actually construct a well-balanced team.
This is GOOD news, not bad.
by Dopeness on Dec 14, 2011 2:50 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
that makes sense unless the Lakers get him
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
exactly….im thrilled actually.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
thrilled? lol
I’d rather WOJ said the four team trade that lands DH12 in NJ is a done deal… gotta love the positive vibes I guess
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Im weird like that...
Taking back Turks and Duhons contract SUCKS!!!
That’s like $16M in cap space for nothing. I would rather have Outlaw (yeah).
Now…Magic lost their chance. When they decide to trade Howard….Not lots of teams will be able to absorb so much salary.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Assuming Deron ...
… is on board for wasting this season.
Remember, Nets were actually solid with an injured Deron
They beat the Celtics. Deron has carried teams before, he can do it again. Get the 8-seed this will be fine and he’ll be more confident in his decision to stay.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I do not believe with Williams, Lopez, Brooks and Morrow we are "wasting the season"
I would love to have Howard just like everyone here. But I would love to see how good we can be with a healthy Brook & DWill too.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Dec 14, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Dope. I agree on all points. this whole thing is still Dwight or bust. I can imagine D-Will, Lopez, D12…that is of course if d12 makes it to free agency.
by JimmyLips on Dec 14, 2011 3:02 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Or
Howard decides to stay in ORL and we lose DWILL
Howard is traded to Lakers and we lose DWIll
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Or the Knicks win the title, or they sign DWill
How negative can we get here?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Dec 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well
The only way we keep Deron now is if we get Howard..and that is highly unlikely, we were giving up LOPEZ AND 5 FIRST Round picks plus taking back two bad contracts…..if that couldnt get Howard? WHat could? Our only option left is to hope he makes it to FA or Magic get desperate enough..
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Thre you go. No panic.
Sign Hump, Evans and RJ for one year – let’s see if Rj can get back to form playing with DWill. Maybe Hump wants 2 years – if he has another good year, will be a good trade asset.
I would agree with you but
1) The Nets would be better off had they signed Nene or Chandler and then stuck to one year deals as it would have given them even more flexibility
2) Trading Lopez will be very sticky if the CBA remains the same in this area as he would have to be traded to a team that is already under the cap.
3) That most likely means another year of Outlaw who it would be dumb to amnesty because it would be near impossible to fill the roster spot with one year deals or “value talent”.
I still don't believe it
It’s posturing. Woj just has to report what he hears. Besides, the article even states that there’s no reason why or if talks would be renewed. Yeah, cause they haven’t ended. Ever think all parties involved didn’t want to have this leak out? Remember when BK said he wanted to do things quietly? Now, the media’s off Dwight’s moiso, but anyone who thinks BK will leave us high and dry with no assurances of ANYTHING is fooling themselves. They’re still talking.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
Guys...
The magic will not be good…you think that team is gonna change dwights mind? This is NOT over
I'm still confident well get Howard eventually
But until that time comes… Our season is over
God I hope he walks out on the Magic
I HATE YOU OTIS
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Howard Trade Talks End
They haven’t ended. This is just the beginning of a months long process.
Feh. At least this time the player is worth fussing about… The Melodrama drove me nuts.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
The better word is "stalled" or "delayed"
Not “dead”
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree ZR
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
RAGGGGGGGGGGE
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Dec 14, 2011 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Michelle is always welcome
Especially in times as trying as these…
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
Fold the franchise
Enuff is enuff already
The Devils have won more titles than all Philly pro sports teams combined in the last 25 years
by Real Big Devils Fan on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 PM EST reply actions
This was expected
The chances of us getting Dwight before start of season wasn’t very likely bc Otis is in denial.
Why do some of you want to trade Deron? BK and Deron are in this together. We’ll end up with Dwight either around the deadline or in free agency.
by djeterfan on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No
Nets need to make sure they have only expiring deals on the roster minus Deron and Morrow.
by JerseysFinest. on Dec 14, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I say go for it.
We can’t go all in for Dwight. If he wants to be a Net that badly then i am sure we will find a way to make it work. Look what the Knicks did for Chandler. If he was part of this package then we can still offer him if they want to come right before the deadline. Depending on what the offer was for him i say go for Wallace great fit with this team can run the floor and attack the boards, also terrific defender. If we can find a reasonable trade for him and can sign Hump and/or AK47 then we are a much improved team.
by bettacalltyrone on Dec 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
what real assets do they have
still have cap problem and im sure any deal they give them wont be sweeter than the one the King put together
by bettacalltyrone on Dec 14, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
it's still Plan A. people!
As annoying as this is. We are still top of Dwight’s List. He’ll be a Net. eventually
by nwkiddnj on Dec 14, 2011 2:52 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Hate to say I toldya so but...
Dwight is gonna be a Laker come end of March.
Can the Nets trade cap space for picks somehow? maybe the Nets can rebuild through the draft…
This rebuild through the draft stuff is garbage
The draft as an absolute crapshoot. There is no rebuilding through the draft unless you are absolutely terrible for years and get lucky. Hell, even there its no guarantee. Look at the Timberwolves.
There goes any hope of a deal soon
Oh well. I do wish that Dwight would force the issue with Orlando rather than give them mixed messages. If he stays on his position of requesting a trade to Nets, this would be easier.
Courtside tickets for $15 soon!
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
I need to enjoy these types worldly pleasures while they last.
by JimmyLips on Dec 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
They just want a better pick..
Just have D-Will inflate lopez’s stats.22-10 is not out of the realm esp if Hump isnt back.
by no show net fan on Dec 14, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions
Come on guys...Cheer up...I hear Outlaw is looking good at practice...
In fact he hasn’t missed a shot yet…
listen up
All of you guys who throw in the towel and want to trade Deron, go root for the Knicks. Quitters don’t root for the Nets. It’s not over till it’s over.
by crizmooris on Dec 14, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Giving up your best asset to take a different approach isn’t throwing in the towel. A lot of people cheer for and take pride in the name on the front of the jersey.
Don’t get me wrong, I want D-Will and Howard as much as anyone, but someone wanting to trade D-Will does not make them a worse Nets fan than anyone else on here.
Hilarious
It is pretty comical actually. Probably talks will be renewed. Basically shows trying to take short cuts for success may not always work out.. We thought that the name brooklyn would change everything… basically we traded bobby simmons for Outlaw and Graham. classic
Just give this until the weekend
If he isn’t trade by then, even i’ll throw in the towel, but I refuse to believe this cause everyone has too much to lose by walking away from this.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
Orlando doesn't have much to lose
Our basic offer will always be there. With the free agents remaining, we won’t be signing anyone to big bucks or long term money, so we will always be able to take on Hedo
Haha y'all catz is comical!
Until the Nets sign Humphries or another free agent to a lucrative deal these negotiations are still going on…. Smh Key words from day one by Billy King, “No Leaks”
Pump Ya Brakes and get from the ledge people!
by boogeewon on Dec 14, 2011 2:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
can we bring back the hump now at least?
we need a PF and SF still
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
GUYS RELAX
Yes this is a setback, but what if resign Hump for 1 year 8 mil. He did put up big numbers last year especially when Deron got here. All we need is a decent SF, and we should be a playoff team this year. Deron, Morrow, ?, Humphries, Lopez isn’t as bad as it sounds.
Ya know... Brook doesn't have Mono this year...
takes 8 to 12 months to fully get over mono… he may ecome a real force with d-Will feeding him.
A he’ll be strong enough to play some Dee too!
I would give up 4 picks for Wallace no doubt
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Um... no.
This is a good draft. We shouldn’t be giving up any picks except Dwight
Moiso No
He’s very good, but he’s a rental. He’s likely to opt out next year. No way do you give up picks for a guy that won’t put you over the top & can walk.
4 Picks?!?!?
I want Wallace on this team but in now way is he worth 4 picks especially in the draft. I wonder how it was constructed for him to go to Orlando as part of the three team deal?
by bettacalltyrone on Dec 14, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Time to regroup boys...
We must put a team together this season.
Or do we just dump and wait for the draft ?
A high draft pick might entice Orlandop down the road….
So the offseason's big prize is Kris Hump?
Any indication what his contract length/amount will be?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Nets like old times
Except we’ll have a superstar on our roster for 6 more months. Bye bye Dwill. Weeee “Bang”
Nah
This will end before the bird rights deadline.
Nene’s and Howard’s Agent would never have let Nene sign with Denver if he didnt know if Howard was coming to NJ. That is the bottom line. As much as I want Nene, this move puts things into perspective.
Can things go wrong and we not get Howard? Maybe, but Nene going to Denver is a big clue. Nene would make more money in NY. Wouldnt his agent benefit from endorsements and other side deals if Nene was in NY?
If the agent didnt think Howard to NJ was possible, Nene would have been a net.
This is ego now. Otis has done this before. Remember Fool’s Gold. Then you trade for the guy you said was fool’s gold. He is a character.
Based on the Nene signing, I expect Howard to be in a Nets uniform before the end of the year.
King and Dwill know something. Remember King said he was going to go all out to improve this team. He hasnt because he knows something.
I'm not sold on it happening before January
He might hold onto Dwight out of spite. It could be Orlando trying to sell as many season tickets as possible before a trade. Even if he’s dealt after Jan. 1st, he still has options. One such option would be to not exercise his ETO & then sign an extension in the offseason. That would give him a higher first year salary & then 2 more years with 7.5% raises.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Y! Sources: The Orlando Magic end trade discussions for Dwight Howard, plan to start the season with him in the lineup. http://tinyurl.com/d837d4w
2 minutes ago
Wow, this stinks
This is almost as depressing as the times I would go to Net games with my dad as a kid and the starting lineup was as follows
Ben Coleman
Roy HInson
Tim McCormack
Lester Conner
John Bagley
not over
Until Dwight has a new home
by djeterfan on Dec 14, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Its time to go the Heat route
Fill out roster with one year contracts, have buy in from Dwill, get DH in the summer.
At this point thats what we need to do- there is no other choice if they wont trade him.
“help me Obi Wan Kenobi, youre my only hope”
D Will in 2011...BK in 2012....
Off Topic
This blog is absolutely amazing!!!!! Ive been totally hooked into all this drama..This is our male soap opera..Dwightmare
time to look at the draft and see who we can get
and im still hopeful for josh smith
Happened with David Lee and Nate Robinson when they were on their last year with the Knicks...
Nate Robinson veto’d trades unless they were to a contender (celtics)
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
From the old CBA
I’m assuming the rules haven’t changed
In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:
…
Without the player’s consent when the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team’s qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, the team loses its Larry Bird/Early Bird rights, and the player is considered a Non-Bird free agent. Note: when there is an option year involved, they can get around this regulation by invoking the option prior to the trade.
https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q88
Thanks for the refrerence
I have no issue giving Hump a decent two year salary.
Orlando will eventually trade him
With both the Nets & Mavericks poised to have max contract cap space & then some, they know Howard will walk. They’re just hoping more teams come to the table.
I just figured out what I going to wear to the Nets home opener!
Jersey Strong, Brooklyn Ready
by BrettGardnerLF on Dec 14, 2011 3:00 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Tweet from Jared Rudolph
This is the reality: Magic believe Howard wants to stay and the people around him are pulling him to the Nets. Looks like they’re going all in.
Still think it’s over? Still think Fegan can’t strongarm Otis? Don’t kid yourselves.
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Who are the "people" pulling him to the Nets?
We all know it’s not over. It won’t be until next season. Problem is how will this effect the team…again.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I assume we can prolly get hump and Shawne on a 1 year.
What about carl landry?
Why would Hump sign a 1-year deal and not cash in for more on the best season of his career?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Waiting for the options to crumble first... then knows he has the Nets by the balls and that they need him?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
The guy has
had zero credible offers to make us worry about that. We gave him a second chance and gave him minutes. Hump isn’t going anywhere if we don’t get Dwight before Christmas.
Not saying he isn't going to stay with the Nets...
… but thinking he will accept a 1 year deal after posting a double-double for the year is simply ludicrous =P
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is what happens when you put all of your eggs in one basket...
Just like Melo all over again. Is there no way that we sign a good SF and PF for 7 million dollars?
AYOOOOOO i'm oFF this site
AYOOOOOO i’m oFF this site for the time being!!!!! don’t need the stress of all these BS sources…. I HATE THE MAGIC!!!!! WHAT A JOKE I REALLY HOPE DWIGHT STAYS THE WHOLE SEASON!!!! JUST SO THAT OTIS AND THEIR CEO CAN WATCH HIM WALK TO BROOKLYN EASILY!!! AND THEY GET JACK!!!!!!!!!
I miss the lockout..... So fed up with this league....
Not happy with their offers? I guess money isn’t everything huh? I think Otis still thinks Turkey and Duhon are good signings..
Go Jets!
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
Orlando is simply doing the same thing we would do
Would you trade DWill unless you knew 100% that he was leaving? Would you trade him right now, or would you wait until we possibly get Dwight at the deadline?
If Orlando thinks there’s a chance he changes his mind (and who knows, maybe there is) they’re gonna wait
No he didn't
If it was a demand, he’d be out by now.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yet even know we're not sure how much he wants to leave
Requesting a trade means nothing if you don’t hold on to that sentiment. CP3 isn’t telling NO what Howard is
Maybe there is
But if he really thinks it’s Big Baby, Larry Hughes, Von Wafer and Jason Richardson, he’s going to be severely disappointed.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Well...THIS WHOLE CIRCUS WAS A HUGE WASTE OF TIME!!
We should all just STOP posting here and come back around 3/15 where we’d actually GET SOME REAL FRIGGIN’ NEWS AND ACTION HERE!
I’m so p-ssed off right now.
How come Dwight's contract works like that?
I don’t get it.
I think all contracts are like that.
Melo’s extend and trade was more lucrative to him so his bird rights didnt come into play. However, for Dwight, its more beneficial to opt out and re-sign so he needs his bird rights.
Me right now
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Dec 14, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions
lol yeah it didnt work
Anyway, I am pissed.
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Dec 14, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
This is going to the deadline
I just can’t decide which one yet, the Jan 1st Bird Rights one or the March trade deadline. obviously the Magic, delusional or not, still think they a have a shot at holding on to Howard, but the longer they wait the worse their leverage gets and the less we have to get them.
I’m not really phased by this at all. The Magic have been back and forth on this the whole time. Come March when their team is hovering around .500 and Lopez hopefully looks better, no way do I see them holding on to the delusion of Howard staying.
Thing is the bird rights deadline is only two weeks
So you never know. BK could work on this behind the scenes without the Magic being involved.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't he a shooting guard?
We could use some vets
@ChrisMannixSi “Orlando will open the season with Howard. Which only means Howard isn’t available until after the first game of the season.”
by netsyankees4life on Dec 14, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions
Christmas Day, etc.
maybe Stern’s orders, lol.
by sheepareevil on Dec 14, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Really Chris Mannix?
The magic are going to wait until game 1 of the season and trade him? 0_o
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting.....but all it means is that nothing will happen 'till the trading deadline which is just about 3 whole months away
and anything can happen within that timeframe.
ugh.
Hey, as long as Dwight is still on the Magic right now we got a shot.
I don’t blame the Magic for keeping Dwight around for the time being. If he tells the Magic FO, “I want to leave” during the season, which he may do then they will trade him. However the Magic know this is going to be circus for them until he is gone I would just trade him already. But hey, let them do what they want. If it’s meant to be, It will happen.
Amnesty Outlaw
Use remaining cap room on one-year deals for Hump, RJ, and Shawne.
We need another big guy.
Yes, YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!, and NO!
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Melodrama Part II
Thats the problem with everyone knowing that the Nets will ALWAYS BE THERE to make a deal. We are desperate. They know they can call BK at the trade deadline at 11:50 and we will still do the deal.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Dec 14, 2011 3:06 PM EST reply actions
Straight from Otis' mouth per Baumann
Magic GM Otis Smith: ‘’We are going to continue to talk to every team out there. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen’’.
Looks like Otis has mastered the art of posturing. It’s happening, guys.
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I am seriously beginning to hate this man
MOISO YOU OTIS MOISO YOUR MOISO YOU MOISO MOISO MOISO OTIS
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by Claud on Dec 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What makes you think "it's happening"?
He just said “It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen”.
Remember this is OTIS so we CAN take his comments at Face-Value.
by BrockRocks on Dec 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I understand you, Brock, but here's why
Magic stand to gain SIGNIFICANT cap relief AND save dollars. Lots of them.
Blazers gain 4 1ST ROUND picks in an incredible draft. They can be good again in a hurry, especially if Aldridge comes back healthy.
I don’t have to tell you what we gain. That’s obvious.
I have a feeling Portland really was on Otis.
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Enjoy the media circus this year Otis
It’ll be a treat
by BennyandtheNets on Dec 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions
Maybe Woj is wrong.
and his sources are bogus .
( I am desperate to get DH )
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Dec 14, 2011 3:08 PM EST reply actions
See you guys later..
all these dwight rumors are screwing over my studying lol. Time to go study, hopefully then ends tonigh, one way or another. N E T S!
GR8NESS
At least we didn't overpay for anyone!
In Brook I trust
by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 14, 2011 3:09 PM EST reply actions
Sure but now we are stuck with the same team with no roster improvements
AND SHELDON IS OUR STARTING PF!!
In practice not that hasn't changed. At us the same chances of Howard as well as yesterday.
I don't speak English
Even I understood that! Right on!
In Brook I trust
by John at the Jersey Shore on Dec 14, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
My theory
Nets Daily manufactured this whole thing to increase site traffic.
Don't muddy my celebration.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Dec 14, 2011 3:10 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Don't think this is over...
You guys are right…the Nets will suck this year. But as we build an awful record, our draft picks become more valuable. Every loss we rack up increases the value of our 1st round draft pick. It’s well known that Dwight requested a trade; Otis is gonna have to move him eventually. But why trade him now when you can wait a little while and increase the value of your return? This will all work out in the end, whether it’s on New Years Eve or on March 15th. No other teams can match the value of our assets (Lopez, picks, cap space). The only thing that could derail this is a significant injury to Lopez. Cross your fingers.
The problem is this: DWill resigning
Can he handle the losing? I don’t think so.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
He thinks he can.
If he didn’t, the Nets would have pulled out all the stops for Nene.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Things to root for this season:
1) The Orlando Magic lose every game that they play.
2) Brook Lopez puts up great stats.
(especially rebounds)
3) The Lakers click early with Bynum and Pau.
4) Go Nets!
by Tylerguy42 on Dec 14, 2011 3:10 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
bynum injury
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You guys really need to stop freaking out
nothing happened that wasn’t expected. It was complete delusion and utter fantasy to think that Orlando would just rush into trading the 2nd best player in the NBA. Please.
Agreed. Keep your expectations low and you will always be happily surprised and never disappointed...
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I mean everyone went nuts the year LeBron was going through this...
“IS THE CAVS GOING TO TRADE HIM TO US?!”
Obv we know what happened there and the same will be true of Howard…
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Nets need to make some kind of statement about all this
come out and say something to the media.
this is getting real old.
um what?
DavidBaumann33 David Baumann
Magic GM Otis Smith: “We are going to continue to talk to every team out there. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen.”
This came out AFTER the Woj report
dear god thats a lot
chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Nets offered everything they could for Howard: Brook Lopez + FIVE 1st Rd picks. Theirs in 2011, 2013, 2015, 2017 + Rockets 2011 pick.
holy moiso
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He won't have to Randy
Someone will eventually persuade Otis into doing this. If he doesn’t, then he will get fired.
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If he passed that up, I'm sold on Otis being the dumbest GM in the NBA
That’s SO MUCH to turn down. SO much.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Good. With Deron and Dwight you don't need 10 years of non-lottery draft picks.
…Plus we can just buy more if we really want them in those years.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
vijay
BK knows he has to get this done. It’s all or nothing now. Even I admit that.
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If he offered that and still received a 'no' I can't get upset
Just can’t.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
ZR
I’m not upset, either, but I think once Otis thinks about it, he’ll realize he won’t do better waiting, so I think he’ll eventually cave.
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And it is the MAGIC who ended the talks?
This is not going to happen for us.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 14, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not via trade, but Free Agency works too.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
5 picks????
i don’t know about 5 picks…i mean don’t get me wrong. Do what you have to BK to get Dwight and we’ll worry about what we paid for it after but dayam…5???
Anything goes wrong and everyone will press panic button on Orlandos side.
If they have a bad stretch, panic button.
And that's an issue I've thought of as well.
Even if Howard is trying out there, the moment he has a crappy game, all the conspiracy-theorists will crawl out from under the rock and toss stones at him for “throwing the game” or something.
If I were Howard, I’d throw the game anyway. I mean these clowns(Otis, mostly) just cost me a MAX CONTRACT.
why the hell should I bust my tail for them?
Too bad the 2011 draft has passed already
But we get the point.
look what a poster on the Orlando blog posted LMAO
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xndcg9
brook and deron for paul and taking okafor’s contract? I wouldn’t trade Dwill for CP straight up.
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
At first glance, that's not a terrible trade
Magic get an All-Star, Hornets get nice return for Paul.
Except the nets trade an All-Star PG and a starting center and get an All-Star PG and a starting center.
And the nets get a Knick wannabe who will leave. I'd take Dwill in a heartbeat. So we would be left with an expiring CP3 and no lopez? cmon
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
The Magic give up Jameer Nelson, Ryan Anderson, and Q-Rich for Deron Williams
That’s not a complete joke of a trade to you?
two hours from now Woj will report
Nets/Magic talks on again. two new teams added to mix. Talks further along than first trade reported earlier.
Just my guess.
Ford on Twitter
‘’Nets offered everything they could for Howard: Brook Lopez + FIVE 1st Rd picks. Theirs in 2011, 2013, 2015, 2017 + Rockets 2011 pick’’.
You think ANYONE would NOT take that deal? Come on.
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2012 2013 2016 2018 + rockets 2012
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2014*
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Has to be starting with 2014
Nets cannot have 2 years without a first rounder.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
ok
sign RJ or Swill to a 1 yr deal with team option 3-4 mil
Give Hump 8 or 9 mil for 1 yr maybe a team option for 10
Of course he's 26 and 2 overall
Orl will push him to Chicago and the clippers etc.
BK needs to work around this. 1 year deals, players Orl lines etc.
If not then we get him as s FA and keep brook
by mb4th on Dec 14, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Of course he's 26 and 2 overall
Orl will push him to Chicago and the clippers etc.
BK needs to work around this. 1 year deals, players Orl lines etc.
If not then we get him as s FA and keep brook
by mb4th on Dec 14, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I can certainly blame Dwight for not taking more of a stand on this BUT
he can always move on rather quickly. What about the Magic front office? How can you possibly let this go on when there is no guarantee Howard will stay? Who are you fooling at this point? And PLEASE don’t compare this to the Kobe situation. There was ZERO chance Kobe was leaving LA! At this point I hope he leaves as a free agent & they get nothing. Imagine how stupid they’d feel sitting in front of the press if that happened! There would be NOTHING acceptable to say!
You mean he wasn't leaving LA even though Chicago had a deal and didn't pull the trigger?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
w/o even reading this
Do you know how many ESPN articles that are full of BS I can give you on this Dwight Howard thing? Are you serious right now?
@Fake_Prokhorov “I am infuriate with Magic team of Orlando. I am consider to kidnap Dwight Howard. Is ransom.”
by netsyankees4life on Dec 14, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Nope
Yanks classic until March and then Spring Training
by dwill8brooklynbound on Dec 14, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Time to see the Muppets
was it any good? Got rave reviews.
I still have faith...
…. but anyone ready to do a fanpost on The Top 5 NBA Lottery Picks for 2012 yet?
Over, Thank God
I wonder if Billy wants a do over. I wonder if he’d wished he signed Nene or West or got something. We are such yahoo’s! We are like the kid who cries wolf. Melo. Howard. We are almost great! But we are way too close to being nothing if Dwill has nothing around him and he walks. Mav’s are a much better team than we are. Without any FA’s we have made no progress and are among the worst teams in the league. I am sorry, but Kris Hump will not make us good. And Lopez is not suddenly going to defend and become a winner. And god knows that Morrow is a great shooter, but he is so limited. THis is AGAIN a team of role players with one star.
I saw Sam Mitchell on NBA-TV the other night...
and he believes what alot of NBA people believe, that it’s better to be a bad then middle pack team.
Nets are going to be bad and that may end up being good…
Still have DWill and Lopez
That will make them middle of the pack.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's not over, oman
BK offered Brook + 5 picks. Otis still listening. Read the tweets above.
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Guys come on.
The reason the Nets are keeping the cap space open is so that they can see this through to the end. The end game has always been to pair Dwight and Deron. They are not going to stop trying to do that just because they can’t have Dwight right now.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
The Nets knew that when they traded for him.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Just popped back in for a sec.
Good that you’re here, Max. Please try to instill rationalism while I’m gone.
I trust that you’ll do so effectively. Thanks.
He has a point.
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_SI
Dwight Howard > Brook Lopez + five non-lottery picks.
That's true I guess the picks aren't worth that much seeing how Dwight + Deron would have a really good record (i.e. low draft picks)
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
5 picks = $15M
Hedo + Duhon = 45M
Better than nothing
by mb4th on Dec 14, 2011 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Nets think so too or they wouldn't have offered it.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
No Moiso!
What he forgets to mention is they would also get Wallace and trades for superstars are always ten cents on the dollar. Oh yeah, and did I mention we were taking Turk/Duhon off their hands?
by dwill8brooklynbound on Dec 14, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Geez, are these reporters kids or brainless?
You wont get equality sign between Howard and any offered package! Not if it’s Howard vs Lopez + picks or Howard vs Bynum and Pau. Come on, kids!
by Belarus4life on Dec 14, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
You guys can't see what Orlando is trying to do
They feel NJ is in the same position as them. So they will drag it out and try to force the Nets hand. Right now the Nets don’t have a roster worth moiso. Deron wants the beginnings of a contender. Magic feel if they hold off, they can force Nets hand to trade for Deron. Basically their playing chess. Otis’s problem is, he’s playing against a superior opponent.
Eventually, Magic and Dwight will need to make a choice, because BK will not entertain offers for Deron.
by domininaldo1981 on Dec 14, 2011 3:19 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think it’s the same at all. They have no flexability to make moves at all and are in smaller market and howard can’t be more obvious that he wants out. He even told them so plus the hints during the summer
yes, we all know that
Orlando apparently does not. They still believe that they can keep him and do something. So, until the run out of options, they will keep him
by domininaldo1981 on Dec 14, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
If Magic’s real reason for the delay is to woo Deron to the Nets. Unfortunately, they have no one besides Dwight on the roster worth any value.
Deron’s not going anywhere right now anyways.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
dwight needs to speak up if we really want him.
by vincent manzull on Dec 14, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions
I think we need to find a way to get them one more quality player and deal. Can we maybe trade hump to rockets and give kevin martin to magic. Then they’ll have a lineup of
pg:Nelson
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Geral Wallace
PF: BIG BABBY
C: Lopez
plus picks and capspace, if they don’t do that then see you in the summer superman
If BK leaves the cap space open
means he still thinks it will happen, cause he wants to fill it Dwight + Hedo + Duhon.
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would you guys trade Dwill for Minnesota's pick +eric gordon + aminu?
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No because Dwight wants to play with Deron on the Nets.
If that means waiting 199 days to free agency then so be it.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
but the Lakers.... what if they trade him to the moisos Lakers!
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This again?
This front office doesn’t act out of fear. It tries to instill fear in others.
You can bet your moiso they’ll see this through to the bitter end.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Still believe the door is open to do this now, Maxy?
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Right now?
I don’t think so. I think Howard will be a Net, but Orlando seems like they want to follow the Lebron-Cleveland script.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Ouch
Maybe Nets have to realize DWIll can walk!
I was hoping for no season b/c I wanted the Nets to get a top 3 pick. I think we may still get that!
"Dwight’s not a happy camper," one league source told Y! Sports.
This is far from over.
Dwight has to say "Nets or bust"
Maybe then those Moisos would realize it’s either trade him here, or lose him for nada.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Dec 14, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
AS HE SHOULD BE!!! OTIS JUST COST ME(him, actually) A MAX CONTRACT!!
I WOULD CONSIDER “THROWING GAMES” SERIOUSLY!
I mean..“what’s the NBA gonna do?” suspend me?
sheldon williams is our starting pf
Fml…..wow were gettin blown.out sat…thanks billy
by netsfan247 on Dec 14, 2011 3:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh no hope we don't lose that preseason game.
Don't muddy my celebration.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Dec 14, 2011 3:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Magic Fans are delusional
It’s funny reading our reactions vs. their reactions to this situation. They believe the following:
1. Letting Dwight walk is better than trading him for a package they don’t like, as long as there is a fraction of chance he stays.
How this makes any sense is beyond me. Something is better than nothing especially when that something is young talent and salary relief. When they lose Dwight in free agency they will have 0 assets, bad draft picks, and horrible contract.
2. Lopez is garbage.
3. They believe they have the assets to trade for DWill (lol).
Truly delusional stuff. Unfortunately, such sentiment seems to be commonplace since the Nets get no TV coverage and ESPN only talks about us a joke. Being a Net’s fan is so frustrating…
I wonder if DWill was straight up requesting trades, we would balk at such trade proposals. I like to think this group of posters is rational enough not to look at sunk costs and understand the little thing I like to call “leverage”.
Ugh.
I can't believe you guys haven't figured it out....
As dumb as Otis is he is not an idiot. 5 Draft picks + cap space + Brook is a perfect rebuilding package….It’s because of STERN
Look the Magic play Primtime on Christmas…Stern wants the NBA to start out an a high note in ratings and 8 PM is a premier slot for games…w/out Dwight, who wants to see Durant battle Lopez? It’s a marketing ploy. He’ll be gone like December 29th or before January 1st…Stern needs Dwight to sell TICKETS and his precious Christmas game…
Otis just made this crap up
Nice theory
Honestly it should of been Thunder vs Grizzlies, they had a great series. It would of been a great X-Mas game.
True
But that’s a quick change regarding national TV schedule. Not set in stone.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
no it's not
they’re not gonna reschedule teams because of a trade. they could switch what game they aired if there was another game playing at that time, but of course there isn’t.
by sheepareevil on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hell yes they will
Turner will force the NBA’s hand. Coming off a lockout, they need ratings in order to drive revenue. With the Magic so many times on the national schedule, they will be forced to alter it.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
no they won't
Only espn games realistically can be altered. Abc games are tricky because they are already placed in a certain window. TNT games you cannot change, not every team plays on Thursdays.
by JimmyLips on Dec 14, 2011 4:23 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
not to mention
Orlando has a 500 mil brand new arena they are moving into that needs to sell tickets to recoup the money they invested. If they trade dwight before the season, guess what the new arena is going to produce zero dollars for that franchise.
that wont happen...
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
we have dwill lol
still bad though
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Nope.
D-Will, Morrow, Anyone, Hump, Lopez is better than Devin, Morrow, Outlaw, Hump, Lopez.
The Nets have a better bench too.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
What a surprise...NOT!!!
Wasting time yet again. BK missed out on every freaking good free agent out there. Another year, same ole ish.
What trades are out there now? Who can the Nets get?
We will still get D12...
….we just have to pay less.
Otis is an absolute moron. At this point, I think his ineptitude is actually amusing.
Would AK agree to a 1 yr huge contract
something like 15M and 1 season lol then use the rest of the cap space to sign Hump to another big 1 yr contract.
If ORL doesn’t trade Dwight and he becomes a free agent in 2012 there is no doubt in my mind we’ll end up with Deron, Dwight and Brook.
IS DWILL REALLY GOING TO BE COOL MISSING THE PLAYOFFS AGAIN???
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
He obviously is or he would have had King go all out for Nene.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
If it means getting a good pick
And Dwight while keeping Brook? Why not?
Nets can make the playoffs this year
Must re-sign Hump to do it though. Remember, they have a weak schedule. And Deron and Brook healthy is so much better than last year.
This team beat the Celtics.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I assume the 5 first rounders the Nets offered weren't all going to the Magic
3 of those had to be for the Blazers, 2 for the Magic
Some Ideas:
Like last year it might not be the guy we thought we were getting but overall if end up just as well, so here are some other ideas.
Trades:
Kevin Love: RFA after next season meaning we can match any offer, and thus can retain him, which makes him a good fit for the nets. As we have the assets for Howard we presumably have the necessary assets to get Love. Love’s contract would also be a maximum of 16 million next season allowing for the nets to with a few minor moves be able to still sign Dwight next summer. If this move were made we’d either need to sign Humphries or Dalembert to fill the other PF/C position and hold over the tide.
Josh Smith: This trade only makes sense if we can do it without losing Brook Lopez in the process, if the nets can complete this trade for two first round picks, and other small pieces it makes sense. This deal would also leave the nets with the ability to still sign Dwight next summer should that be an option, while making the nets competitive and Deron happy. We would also be able to sign and trade Brook next year as he is a RFA for more talent to go along with Deron – Smith – Dwight.
Paul Millsap: Another guy from Utah, and thank god because we seem to be able to make quick deals with them. Millsap is a very good power forward who we could most likely acquire for picks and change. This deal also leaves enough cap space to sign Howard in the event that we can, and should be enough to make the team competitive if paired with the right one year deals.
I’m not being a pessimist and saying we won’t get dwight i’m being a realist and saying that Otis Smith is a dumb mother Moiso, and is asking to lose Howard in the summer, this is even more obvious than the Lebron fiasco and that was really obvious to everyone except Cleveland. In my opinion if Orlando would like to take nothing for him and let us have him for nothing we should see that through.
No reason love would be on the market.
by Super Nova Is My Hero on Dec 14, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Neither Was Deron
Not everyone is always on the market, Deron wasn’t, however a GM when offered a deal that is can be viewed as favorable for their team will usually accept it you do need to consider Minnesota won 18 games last year and is still a long way from contending.
5 moiso picks
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Ujiri drove up the price higher than that and got less.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
It is enough
Otis is just being Otis.
He doesnt want to look like he is the greedy one. Once Howard explodes and says he wants to be traded publicly. Then he does trade.
Otis is arrogant. Remember Fools Gold. Then trades for VC the next year.
EGO!!!!
resign the hump and get another sf
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Shoulda listening to me, college kids
Blueprint for…status quo:
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/12/14/2635706/berger-magic-in-no-hurry-to-trade#85691117
HOLLAH!
Well I think this is good
Let brook put up a 23 and 10 season and the magic will be begging to trade dwight for him and houston’s first come march
Sign humphries and a sf (ak-47 or shawne williams) and lets start this season…I think they can compete for the eight seed or better
nothing is over all this means
he will not be moved till the deadline. That was the reality when I though he was going to the Lakers. Again Otis has no pressure on him what so ever. Dwight, Fegan and the Nets are the ones in a rush.
As long as the Nets maintain their cap space they are okay. The only problem becomes if the Lakers get back involved. The only hope is if they land CP3
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions
Someone needs to find out if Dwight spoke to the media today
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
Dwight isn't going to speak his heart
he isn’t Allen Iverson. People diss Iverson all they want but he never pussyfooted around
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He did
Don’t think anything was important
by CStanley028 on Dec 14, 2011 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our team isn't that bad
We were like the fourth or fifth highest scoring teams post-all star break for a reason…you guys are the most depressed bunch I have ever seen, man did you guys forgot what D-Will, who had ZERO practices with us, did? 5 straight? That ring a bell?
RELAX, there’s a key between Howard WILL NOT be traded and Howard is off the table FOR NOW…40 games (about) before deadline….
21-19 is respectable and would get us 7th in the East
This is consistent with what everyone knew would eventually happen
The Magic are not going to trade Howard until the deadline, just like Denver didn’t trade Melo. If the writing is on the wall and Dwight’s out the door, the Magic will deal just like the Nuggets did. They can’t possibly lose Howard for nothing unless they are out of their minds (which is possible).
Wow ok
So my only hope now is to look into the future?
Dwill, B Lopez and D12 opening up Brooklyn?
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
The future is only 199 days away,
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
January 1st
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Not much to explain. You have to be on a team for six months for bird right purposes.
Bird rights = extra year and higher raise in contract. So for Howard to get more money and the additional year he needs to be traded before the new years.
real talk though
Screw the magics i say we sign one year deals and dont give the magiics squat come trade deadline lets wait the year out then have lopez and howard with deron
They were offere five first round picks are you kidding me its not going to get any better then that they lost and they wont get this type of deal ever
by Pure baller15 on Dec 14, 2011 3:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lakers are going to make a move that doesnt allow dwight to fit in
Only team is dallas if we can get deron to confirm that dwight wants only brooklyn i say thats what we do just wait and we dont lose dfat picks or any of our current talent
by Pure baller15 on Dec 14, 2011 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I mean it makes sense if the 'analysts' weren't idiots...
Orlando is thinking either:
a) Don’t trade Dwight and see if we can get a really good record to get Dwight to change his mind
or
b) If our record sucks come March and Howard still want’s to be traded then yeah sure we finally will do it
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions
I hate Woj, Espn, Brussard, Ford, Stein etc...
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing but media paparazzi going off of hunches and playing fans for fools in order to get page clicks / ad revenue...
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
nooo
Woj is very credible its otis and the orlando organization this is denver again we shouldve expected this
by Pure baller15 on Dec 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes but the magic are really going to feel like idiots when
they see howard not playing hard for them . Ha that is going to be teh funniest
by nybluesky718 on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Seems illogical to think Dwight wouldn't play hard... he is the type of player to do something like that then would the Nets even want him?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
well thats the only way for him to signify that HE WANTS TO LEave. so just because he said “he’s not a happy camper” in orlando , does that mean he;s not going to be on here ? NO
by nybluesky718 on Dec 14, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
If that's the case you could use the same logic to say the Nets will feel like idiots when Brook Lopez gets pissed about potentially be traded and doesn't play hard...
Doesn’t make sense, the request and free agency coming up will be enough motivation, no player ever needs to not play hard.
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Things can change guys. Nothing is final.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2011/1/19/1944990/prokhorov-calls-off-melo-trade-talks
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
by Maxyboy on Dec 14, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
do people forget we have a point gaurd that makes othe players better
We are gona win over 30 games this year with Dwill. We won 24 with him playing only 12 games… We’ll be fine
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guys, link on Yahoo provided above saying this:
‘’Dwight isn’t a happy camper’’, one league source told Y!.
This is NOT over by any means.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
Well it's his fault
Giving Otis hope that he’ll stay. If he said CLEARLY, I will not stay here, this would be done already
it's his moiso fault
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
look at this proposed trade by a magic fan lolololol
by netsyankees4life on Dec 14, 2011 3:32 PM EST reply actions
Brook Needs to Come out and show his detractors that he is a top 5 center
i want to see what he learned from the dream…hopefully he learned to play tough d, Rebound and THE DREAM SHAKE
Reports were that the Blazers could get 3 first rounders for facilitating the trade
And the offer to the Magic has always been 2. Ergo, 5 draft picks
Otis didn’t turn down some trade for ALL 5 picks, he wasn’t getting all of them, and even if he was those are so far off that it’s not clear how valuable they are, if they even are
IM DONE
I remember when trades use to happen with out all this drama… the nba has changed dramatically.
speaking before you think can have severe consequences, however doing it in reverse can have beautiful results!
by Mike28Live on Dec 14, 2011 3:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I wish it could always be like that...
but alas, the players want so much publicity…
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
I just hope our future 2012,2014,2016,2018,2020,2022,2024,2026 draft picks.....
don’t get too upset over this….
by M I K E on Dec 14, 2011 3:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You guys wanted Dwight to speak up
and now he finally is.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
in his fantasy world everyone wanted to be a Net.
Come on guys..face the reality!
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Dec 14, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Fabio
So i’m optimistic. That’s my right. I don’t tell anyone else how to feel. I admitted I was wrong on Bron and Melo. Why bring up the past? Just because you’re not confident doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be. I’m only giving my opinion. I’m not telling anyone else how to feel.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
And don't try the whole "sources say" b.s. that the paparazzi pulled this whole time
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't believe Woj's sources?
You all like him. It was in his article. This is what was said:
‘’Dwight is not a happy camper’’, a source told Y!
Again, You guys say you think Woj is credible. Why wouldn’t that mean his sources, too?
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
You can’t have it both ways Lupo. supporting when Woj says no deal imminent, but Berger reports that an hr before and you question him and his sources. And like everyone said, when a direct quote comes out that reads ‘Dwight said I want out,’ then we will all become witnesses.
by JimmyLips on Dec 14, 2011 4:31 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Maybe ORL needs to open the season with D12 for whatever reason.
He told BK ….we got the deal. Let’s put it to sleep till then.
Relax guys … the deal is dead “FOR NOW” and “FOR THE MOMENT”
Some times the best trades are the ones you never make!
J-Kidd to D-Will
Remember the Herschel Walker trade? The Ricky Williams trade?
Last time, I checked; Dwight Howard is not Jordan!
J-Kidd to D-Will
Stephen a right now on espn radio
Thinks everyone is lying right now. He said just wait.
Let things happen
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Dec 14, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow people actually believe this is over
The Nets are the ones in the drivers seat.
1. Dwight isn’t 2007 Kobe who demanded a trade. There is no way a financial strap team like the Magic will turn to contenders by March. Plus Kobe wasn’t in the last year of his contract.
2. Otis was never under any pressure to trade Dwight. Fegan can not force him to trade nor Dwight. A trade before the season was never a sure thing.
3. The Nets will likely load up on one year deals maintaining cap space for the summer. This was key for the Knicks because they knew that if Denver was stupid they could just sign Melo in the off season.
4. The biggest thing about this story that made me believe Dwight will be in a Nets uniform and that I been wrong was the Lakers dropping off. Now if the Lakers get back into this than we will have a problem.
5. Get used to the team you see now. Dwight isn’t being shipped till March remember this team still has the all star game in their building
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:36 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Spot on killa.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
but still
this roster is going to be horrid
by MrDollarBills on Dec 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Eh.
I think they’ll be able to hover around .500 if they re-sign hump to a one year deal.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Sounds reasonable
DWill, Lopez, Hump, Morrow can make the Nets a .500 team.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
They need to play through the rumors
Might be difficult for a young team
Difference is that this year they have a leader
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
i'm sorry Killa
you’re on of the greatest poster here. But Otis Smith now is in drivers seat…and he can decide our future
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Dec 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
He might be in the drivers seat right now
but when you cant get the 2nd best player in the league to sign an extension you eventually lose control.
Otis smith only enters the Driver's seat once Billy signs away next year's cap space.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Otis determines
when Dwight is traded or if at all. Lets be real Orlando isn’t seeing the Heat Bulls or Knicks.
This is the waiting game now. Come March when they are a 5 or 6 seed Dwight will grow impatient
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Otis has been in the drivers seat determine Dwight
future. this is true but the Nets are not powerless in this. They have cap space. Right there scares Orlando enough where he could leave in the off season and they get nothing.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
The Nets def aren't in the drivers seat unless the Magic let them be...
Magic are passengers atm but they can choose whoever they want to be the driver
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
the only problem I see is that the Magic feel they can still keep him
Dwight isn’t giving them straight answers or he is giving them hope.
Otis might think he needs time to see if he can make a trade to make Dwight happy
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Scrubs
Brook Lopez | Johan Petro
Shelden Williams | Jordan Williams
Damion James | Travis Outlaw
Anthony Morrow | Marshon Brooks
Deron Williams | Jordan Farmar | Sundiata Gaines
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
oh and Stevo
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
mvp caliber platers at the pf sf spot
c lopez
pf stephen “money” graham
sf travis “10 qtr” outlaw
sg ammo
pg dwill
See my sig
That’s current roaster. Beautiful isn’t it?
1 - D. Williams / J. Farmar / S. Gaines
2 - A. Morrow / S. Graham / M. Brooks
3 - T. Outlaw / D.James
4 - K. Humpries / J. Williams / S. Williams
5 - B. Lopez / J. Petro
This is only temporary
Magic GM Otis Smith: “We are going to continue to talk to every team out there. It doesn’t mean anything is going to happen.”
You know that they’re definitely considering trading him at deadline (whether that’s January 1st or March 15th)
Does anyone actually READ anything CAREFULLY?
He says that while they will talk to every team out there, there’s no f’n way anything will happen.
that’s basically what he’s saying.
People need to cling to some thread of hope sometimes...
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I did read it carefully
Stop making stuff up. He just said that they’re going to “CONTINUE to talk”. He didn’t rule out the possibility of a trade.
Dude...You're focusing too much on the "CONTINUE to Talk" part.
and not focusing on the “nothing will happen” part(which is the more important part since Otis determines WHEN D12 gets dealt)
So while you did read “carefully”, you only saw what you wanted to see.
Please stop looking for things that AREN’T THERE, Dark.
Guys, this is why you King will never even entertain offers for Deron.
Howard has been willing to sign extensions with the Lakers and Mavericks, but the Nets’ future in Brooklyn has been most intriguing to him.
Howard has been sold on the idea of pairing with Deron Williams in a new Brooklyn arena beginning in 2012-13, and informed Magic officials he wants a trade to New Jersey.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
by Maxyboy on Dec 14, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
thanks for the link...NOT
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
It WAS IN THE MOISOIN ARTICLE YOU MADE THIS POST ABOUT
YOU READ IT, RIGHT?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
by Maxyboy on Dec 14, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I think it's time to retire "Moiso"
how about “Otis”
by letsoreeni on Dec 14, 2011 3:39 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
OTIS IT IS
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
i just started his portion of the show over to hear it all
basically just said otis is lying. and says he knows dwight has told otis that he wants out.
still listening.
I hope Dwight is happy now
Any money he loses is all because of his insecurity of being disliked by anyone. “There’s no place i’d rather be than Orlando” yeah, yet you demand a trade?
dude makes no sense
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
He might be conflicting, but
he’s posturing when he says that to make himself look good.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
We have to pray that Dwight REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BADLY wants to be a Net.
We do have time to make something happen by the deadline. Best case scenario we sign him as a free agent.
Get ready for Melodrama 2.0. Good news is that this time the player we are dealing for wants to be a Net.
I think it's fine.
I cannot help but wonder though
What more could Orlando want than Lopez and FIVE first rounders?
I think it's fine.
I think it was five total. I.E. 3 to Portland & 2 to Orlando.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Stephen A saying
GMz told him that the Magic will likely wait til the deadline.
Absolutely Positively Ridiculous!
Nets offered everything they could for Howard: Brook Lopez + FIVE 1st Rd picks. Theirs in 2011, 2013, 2015, 2017 + Rockets 2011 pick
Plus other pieces
And they offered to take back 45 million in Turk and Duhon.
Clearly people have lost their friggin’ minds. Like Dug Addicts or Culties.
He is NOT that good. What’s the matter with people.
And As if there was only one way to build a team.
Yes he is that good
Those are not #1 overall selections, whatever draft picks you trade will have almost no value at all with a good team around
Really? It shows for me.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
Orlando isn't letting Dwight sign as a free agent
Same way with the Nets, if by the deadline Dwight gets traded elsewhere or looks like he’s changed his mind on Orlando, we better have trades in mind for DWill
This video right here says it all....
Check out Deron’s other interviews on the page. He’s happy and upbeat. Today he just looks down right pissed. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=599384801057&set=vb.26426125254&type=2&theater
by Christopher Manchesi on Dec 14, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions
An unhappy DWill is not good at all
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
we are going to lose DWill
that’s what it’s beginning to look like.
What makes you say that??
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
ignorance
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just listened to Stephen A
he said Dwight does want NJ and LA. LA first though. Nets second despite what we’re hearing from media. Any trade will likely happen at the deadline.
To me, at that point, i’m guessing Lakers find a way to turn Pau or Bynum to something Orlando likes.
not if one gets hurts
On the other hand if Brook gets hurt we’re done.
This was bk's plan all along he wanted to inflate the value of outlaw and graham
and trade them outright for dwight… i mean look at that versatility…mr. 6th qtr 17ppg 6 rpg 1 stl 1.5 blks you heard it here first
just heard Stephen A
he said Dwight does want NJ and LA. LA first though. Nets second despite what we’re hearing from media. Any trade will likely happen at the deadline.
To me, at that point, i’m guessing Lakers find a way to turn Pau or Bynum to something Orlando likes.
They could do that now??
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
So he asked for a trade to the Nets
So that he could get to the Lakers?
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No man
first of all. Stephen A is as connected to legit sources as anyone. Dwight is all in for the Nets but LA is and has been his first choice. IF Lakers gave up Pau and Bynum right now…his love for the Nets is as good as gone.
i ask myself the same thing
but LA is LA and the Lakers have a history of building championship teams rather quickly, even when we think they don’t have the assets.
Hmm..
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
by Maxyboy on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Some pictures are just too Moisoing funny lmao
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Any chance Brook pulls a Gasol / Odom and sulks about almost being traded?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions
nah, he's soft
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
D-Will
Marshon
Morrow
Brook Lopez
and….hmmm a bunch of bad d-leaguers
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
honestly right now I don’t see Deron leaving,
I see Dwight and Deron opening up Brooklyn.
Honestly I never was sure about Deron. Felt that Dwight would be in LA. If I of all people feel everything can work and will work out. There shouldn’t be a single person here worried
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions
Me too
i dont think hes leaving. If for some reason we dont get dwight, hes going to sign here in the off season.
by 1stnamelastname on Dec 14, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
So long as the Lakers go get CP3...
I think the league rejects any trade that doesn’t include Bynum.
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yes
that was the only thing that made me believe Dwight will be a Net. For the Lakers to focus back on CP3 and deal with Stern and go through that BS???
Dwight must be a long shot for them
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
+1
It also makes so much more sense for the lakers with a core of CP3 + Kobe + Bynum than just Kobe & Bynum.
Apparently reports in LA have hinted Kobe would be pissed off if the lakers moved Pau & Bynum for Howard and doesnt want it to happen.
by N.Ireland Nets Fan on Dec 14, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Offered them a great deal and they didn't accept
Obviously Melo didn’t want to be here. I think we can all agree our offer for Williams is better but right now for the Magic this is the best they will ever get. Unlike Melo, Dwight wants to be here, Nets are offering them a solid rebuilding package but they don’t want it.
Even though the Orlando one just started they are way worse. Blame Melo for the Melodrama not their management.
Its gonna happen
Maybe tomorrow, next week, or after the season opener or before the 31st or the trade deadline or sign him in free agency. Its going to happen tho.
by 1stnamelastname on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions
It’s funny how many people jump off the boat because of one article. A lot of people go from “CHAMPIONSHIP!!!” to “this team sucks” in about 3.6 seconds. Just chill and wait. We still have the number one point guard in the league. Two young shooting guards who could be special. And a rising big man in this league who can only get better at his weak spots. So wait. Dwight will come. We just have to wait.
by mayoandketchup on Dec 14, 2011 3:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I said earlier last nigh
That I don’t like BK’s strategy. It’s a risky…and we can end up with NOTHING. I’m not a bandwagon at all
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Dec 14, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Why am I not surprised or disappointed?
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Lol if you watch this video at around 20 seconds in Outlaw looks clueless and Avery is yelling at him, Outlaw has been the league longer than anyone on our team
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=599384801057&set=vb.26426125254&type=2&theater#!/photo.php?v=598970286747&set=vb.26426125254&type=2&permPage=1
Im not worried at all
Orlando wants to play that ok fine, dont wine when your market declines towards trade deadline and you want to trade Howard because youre not going to get ANYTHING compared to what you wouldve gotten before the season started. In addition, if you let Howard become a free agent you’re only disappointing the city of Orlando AGAIN by gaining any assets.
=)
Alright them
Resign the Hump 1 year deal 6-9 mill
sign another wing for a 1 year deal
Dwill/Farmar
Morrow/Brooks
James/Wing X
Hump/Jwill/Shelden
Lopez/Shelden/Petro
Not a great team but MIGHT be enough for a 6-8th seed
I am looking forward to Brook redeeming himself and going 20/10/2 or close to it.
Looking forward to watching Dwill’s first full year.
Looking forward to Outlaw getting amnestied.
Looking forward to watching SWAG play.
Looking forward to Orlando getting Otised by Otis.
Next year we will have Lopez/Dwill/DH12
the end
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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Hump is not signing for a 1 year deal after posting a double-double last season...
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not a chance... I mean hell the hornets have what 5 players on their roster and just lost David West
Teams below the cap also need to reach the salary floor mandated by the CBA so they HAVE to spend.
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Its really useless to be the 8th seeded team
rathers well wbecome 9th to have a shot of a good pick in the “stacked” lottery.
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Mavs are clearing cap his season
not sunny as early this morning.
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LMAO
We are a Josh Smith or Gerald Wallace away from being a playoff team at best.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Someone pointed this out earlier from the Woj article
"Dwight’s not a happy camper," one league source told Y! Sports.
Oh yeah? Well then storm out of the facility. Get your agent to start threatening the team with no-shows and migraines if he isn’t traded by Sunday.
This really isn’t all that hard. He can get himself traded here if he mans up.
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by eLonepb on Dec 14, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
thats not being a man
thats being a moiso hole!
Allen Iverson was and is a hole and he was traded
Stephen Jackson wanted out and he was shown the door
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight's not that kind of guy
I wouldn’t expect D Will to do something like that, and you guys would hate him if he did. I say just let Orlando enjoy their star for his last year/half a year with them
He will NEVER do that
He is pretty soft mentally if you ask me. He never wants to seem like the bad guy.
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He has an image
He doesn’t want to be that undisciplined, get me what I want now kind of a guy to the public. Carmelo didn’t do that and neither will Dwight.
If he wanted to leave, he would have been here already
but he’s giving the Magics even a 1% shot of retaining him, the Magics will take that as far as they want
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Not true
The Magic just simply aren’t trading him, no matter what Dwight says, he can’t force Orlando to do anything. And think about it, it actually makes sense for Orlando to keep him for as long as they can because they will lose A LOT of money without him. Might as well get every penny you can with him
I might be mistaken
but Howard left the door open to staying with the Magics if he DID list them in his 4 team list. But if that is false, like most moiso i read, then Magics are holding him hostage. But I simply think he’s conflicted and is Hot and Cold when it comes to leaving Orlando.
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He really has no choice but to give them a chance
they aren’t trading him
But for how long do they hold onto him? I have no stance on this.
hell, Carmelo still played his behind off and he wanted out BUT made sure he didn’t leave his old team helpless.
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Did Dwight Howard get traded today?
No…..and until Dwight is traded to a team other than the Nets, there is nothing to worry about…….
Anyways, my gut feeling is still alive
Nets sign Jamal Crawford and Kris Humphries.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
so, we're getting Lebron tomorrow, right?
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
by 3ptChucker on Dec 14, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Otis is really pulling this ish right now, why don't the Nets trade 3 firsts for Wallace?
Then they can make the same trade at the deadline and maintain a playoff caliber team until then.
D-Will
Morrow
Wallace
Hump
Lopez
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Ok, now your just under thinking
3 1st rounders for Wallace?
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That's what the Nets were offering for him in this three way trade.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Correction: That is what it is rumor
the Nets are offering.
I would never trade 3 picks for wallace. I would only trade three picks for Wallace If I was getting Howard.
by SIC One on Dec 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, the Nets thought an offer of Wallace, Brook and two picks would be good enough to get Howard,
Under this scenario, they can make the same offer at the deadline while improving the team until then.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
It wasn't good enough when the Magic still thought they had a chance at keeping Dwight.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
basically come march things will be a lot different
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, but we were getting Howard
we ain’t getting much now, but desperate times calls for desperate measures. And where are my conspiracy thinkers who thought Nene signing with Nuggets means Howard was going to be here?
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Portland must have been taking on salary
Woj actually mentioned they’d be getting 4 firsts. To me that means they’re taking on Hedo or Duhon+Petro.
Picks that are donkey years away are useless.
That’s like telling a 90 year old man you’d give a him a million dollars 6 years from now if he stays alive.
Dwight or Bust
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but if you tell a 90yr old radical muslim there's 72 virgins waiting in the afterlife...
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
by 3ptChucker on Dec 14, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
-_- Was that intended to be toward me cause I'm brown? lmao
GREAT comeback, I rec’d
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I'm sorry. I already got a couple warnings today...
DWill oop to D12
Otis Smith makes Travis Outlaw look like Avery Johnson
Its all good, its funny, nothing personal
I hope they don’t take it down lol
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by Shameer1016 on Dec 14, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its a joke, and very funny to comeback at what I said
Give props to that man, talk about a creative post
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LOL, nice....which country you rep?
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Not with me, I thought I was really the only one here
LOL, don’t hate? No comment
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i thought u were indian...
and not muslim. we went over this when we were talking about cricket
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I'm not Indian neither lol
you sure it was me? I have Indian in my blood, but I’m mix. and when it comes to Cricket, gotta rep my team West Indies
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Also lets be honest
their market is not going to decline. Only two or three teams were in play from the beginning.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:53 PM EST reply actions
What we need to do
1) Sign a defensive SG/SF to gaurd melo/lebron/kobe ect.
2) Sign Hump to 1 year contract
3) Amnesty Outlaw
4) Get ready for Dwight next year
Do you really think Hump would sign a 1 year deal? You think there wouldn't be one team out there that would offer him 2-3 that he could use as leverage?
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
The Hornets MUST spend up to a certain amount to reach the salary floor and just lost David West...
No way at least they dont offer 3 years 18 million
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Answer your own idea's?
1. Who do we sign as a SG/SF
2. Not happening UNLESS he’s actually commited to this team
3. Not happening until step 1 is completed
4. No comment
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1) whoever is a good defensive swingman on the market
2) so be it
3) I say he does or SHOULD get amnestied no matter what
4) …….
Again
1. Name the player who YOU think we should get
2. Push
3. SHOULD but WON’T
4. I like Burrito’s
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1) Pietrus, Afflalo, AK47, or any other good defensive wing still on the market…
2)
3) WE WILL
4) I’m hungry now
Well done
1.MIA, Nuggets will re-sign, MIA as well
2. (.)(.)=Boobies
3. Would you like to place a bet?
4. Enjoyed lunch
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You guys are so funny
I thought I just drooled on myself.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 14, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
johnschuhmann John Schuhmann
So unless NJN plans on starting Damion James & Shelden Williams at the F positions this year, some of their cap space is about to disappear.
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I say start those guys and go all in
If we don’t get him DWill is gone anyway
Looks unhappy. But claims he has a "great" relationship with Dwight.
Also looks a downright dull person.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 14, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Says he willing to keep him in a Magic uni as far as the end of the SEASON
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
anybody who thinks that will happen is most likely naive
That’s wayyyy too much risk, unless…..The magic have a great year.
amnesty his ass
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
by Andy. on Dec 14, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Andy, your on record for wanting him here bad lmfao
and claiming he was a great signing
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And opinions can't change?
Better to be flexible than blindly stubborn.
by thermodynamic on Dec 14, 2011 5:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just because your stubborn, doesn't mean your wrong.
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They can sign guys to 1-year deals, but they won’t be able to offer ORL (or a 3rd team) as much salary relief as they can right now.
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if we end terrible say goodbye....
Dwill wont leave off of the first 10 games…
10:30 a.m. on february 23, 2011 woke up with no hope.
12:30 p.m. on february 23, 2011 hope was born
D-WILL ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
goodbye to who
seriously if these were this bad you don’t think Dwight agent wouldn’t be voicing Deron’s unhappiness????
Seriously???
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
if things
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
The ONLY time you should be concerned about Deron is if it's March 15 and we still have the same roster
Anything before that is being foolish. Maybe you shouldn’t have jumped the gun with the championship celebration when Broussard first started talking about this
by muwu on Dec 14, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Will I be contiually disparaged and discounted when I warn y'all
the next time this circus comes around that this is fool’s gold.
Do us all a favor
Make us nets fans smile one more time and just amnesty outlaw. As long as he isn’t here anymore I don’t even care
Hump
We could still sign Hump and then trade him at the deadline…anybody we sign now could theoretically be traded….and that’s why the Magic feel there’s no point of trading him now
Would you rather lose him today?
or get a similar offer in March…
This is why the Magic are going to wait…2 months of Dwight, why not?
IMO he wll not be a FA
He wants his money.
ORL will trade him.
THEY WILL NOT WAIT UNTIL TRADE DEADLINE.
Howard will be traded before the end of the month.
Expect Headaches
we would still be in play for Dwight
seriously so we lock ourselves up with the trash that is left???
come on mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnn???
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
BECAUSE DWIGHT WANTS TO BE A NET
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Serious? Because we chose not to sign anyone.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
in prokhy i trust
he’s gonna KGB otis into giving us dwight…. prokhy dont play
Brook, Wallace and 2 firsts.
The other 3 were going to Portland.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
I didn't see anywhere that they were going to get all that...
If anything they would get 2 draft picks (and low ones at that since Dwight + Deron = low draft picks)
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
Wallace=Defensive SF, Athletic, and one time All-Star
Lopez=Offensive C, alot of moves in post, and All-Star potential.
2 Picks, which turn out to be good role players in a deep draft.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
2 picks would be low draft picks and low value due to a high team record w/ Deron + Dwight
I don’t think the Magic see Lopez as having all star potential without the defense and rebounding
Wallace is on the last year of his contract, they would want sure things with more years
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Seems crazy to me
that the Magic would turn down Lopez, Wallace, picks, and cap room.
Well…we’re in trouble if LA gets back into the picture.
BK better be on the phone
with Utah (Millsap), Atlanta (Smith), etc. Float those rumors out there also. If that cap space & the picks start to dwindle, maybe Orlando gets motivated.
This would be over already if Dwight hadn't given Orlando hope because he didn't want the fans to hate him
He’s the one that gonna have to deal with this all season long
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Dec 14, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions
radio
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Dec 14, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo
MagicInsider: DHoward is on trade block unless he says he’s staying and there’s a parade. If they aren’t taking calls, it’s only to quell distractions.
Guy’s name is Brian Schmitz. Henry from here thinks he’s pretty credible. I’d concur.
I'm bipolar. Just remember to read this before you respond to or read my comments. Someone here forgot to.
What's he saying?
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If we sign...
Shawne Williams and Hump. Damion James is healthy. And Brooks remotely lives up to expectations. We are clearly a playoff team.
Dwight playing all goody goody with the media
http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2011/12/14/121411otissmithm4v-1935148/index.html
He cannot be this way if he really wants to be a Net. Like eLone said, if he is serious about becoming a Net he and Fegan threaten no shows.
I think it's fine.
Anyone who is listening to WOJ
what is he talking about? Is there a link where we can listen to it?
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Hey guys, for Proky this is like fantasy league man.
How much more leverage do you want. He know he’s gonna win, one way or the other.
There is nothing over. This is just called a process.
OS looked horrible in that interview. He stated, again, that he asked to be traded.
He said that he spoke to those 3 teams, and the conversations were long.
BK is trying to finish the parts that seal the deal.
Woj think they'll start the season with Howard
can’t get enough value for him. their reasoning is that they can get picks in a trade at any point during the season
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woj still thinks it's inevitable he leaves
thinks the most likely scenario is he winds up in NJ/Brooklyn
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dallas definitely still looking to clear cap for DWill and Dwight
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thinks Dwight is lying publicly to calm the fans down
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thinks Dwight does want a bigger market, perfect for NY
think the idea of Brooklyn is huge to Dwight, and he can be the legacy there
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woj says Nene is a very good player
but not a franchise changer and doesn’t sell seats like Dwight will
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woj says there is NO WAY the Nets will trade DWill
would rather go to free agency and take the chance. they won’t give up an asset like that.
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if Dwight is traded to, say, Chicago
Nets would try to make a push in free agency for both
by bronxbombers2 on Dec 14, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chillax All
No way that Otis was caving now. None. If Hump will take $9mm, and AK another $9mm, we have a competitve team that is borderline playoff worthy. I want to see Brook and the shooters with Deron for a full season, keep our picks, and get D12 for free. Screw Otis – he is the David Stern of this trade – an unrealistic pig who is in denial. D12 will leave for nothing. Just like Shaq. Book it.
To be clear - Hump and AK on one year deals.
by samnetsfan2010 on Dec 14, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
says Howard will start the season on the Magic but he's not happy there
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Dec 14, 2011 4:04 PM EST reply actions
Howard is not happy according to Woj,
In his opinion, he will be traded eventually. Most likely to New Jersey.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
He says it's because the Mavs can sign them both.
Not happening.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
I've been trolling for the past 15+ minutes but seriously
bk should
1st Amnesty Outlaw and cut Grahamvp
2nd sign hump to a 1 yr deal
3rd trade for josh smith
4th let brook inflate his value then trade him for dwight at a cheaper price mid january or so
No chance Hump takes a 1 year deal with Hornets having 5 players on their roster and just having lost David West...
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Then who's going to play power forward for us?
Reggie Evans? Shelden Williams? Damion James? If they let Humphries walk, they should move Lopez to power forward and sign Samuel Dalembert.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Dec 14, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Howard is just giving lip service in Woj's opinion.
He wants a bigger market.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Woj feels that Dwight is basically lying to media and Magic fans by saying he think the Magic just needs to make changes.
I think it's fine.
best way to go at this point..
Give crawful a 1yr 7mil deal/ sell him as an expiring at the deadline…give hump his 4 yr 22 mil.. get a rasual butler or rj on a 1 yr 3.75 mil contract. Not wat I wanted but now that billy really blew it again its the only way to go. And keep bum outlaw so we can amnesty him next year so were not forced to sign more players
by cdr4prez on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
make it shawne williams thn
Give him 1yr/4mil. Really amount we give him doesn’t matter to me as long as its 1 yr
by cdr4prez on Dec 14, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No way he stays if he isn't happy
just because he’s a good guy doesn’t mean he won’t now privately be on Oti’s moiso. Same with Fegan.
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Yeah WOJ
Thinks he eventually lands with the Nets in the end. But must do it before the trade deadline on 1050 right now.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
kay asking him if howard is lying publicly
dwight thinks that brooklyn will be his thing if he comes here.
build his own statues kinda thing
Need some D-12
Dwight likes idea of Brooklyn even more so than what players feel about MSG.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 14, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dwight wants to build his own scenario.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
legacy gah
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
WOJ says.
That Howard is sold on creating a legacy with D-Will in Brooklyn.
Jersey Strong. Brooklyn Ready. 2012 Nets.
by JetsMetsNets on Dec 14, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good so let's be patient
So hard to be but we have to be.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think Shelden will be our Kris Humphries this year
he looks like a hard worker, he will put up the same numbers Humphries did book it. Now time to find a SF.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
bet
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
I'd bet $1000 confidently that he won't average a double double =)
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
bro you gonna lose your money
he will average 10 and 10 no doubt, if they don’t sign anyone better than him.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Not skilled enough to do that
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Or athletic enough
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Says Nene is a good player but not a franchise player.
And would not sell tickets in Brooklyn.
Thats truth.
I think it's fine.
Nene not going to make you a championship contender.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
says Woj
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
So our others signing this off-season will? Smart man
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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Just listened to Otis's interview. Guys, "ending" talks for Dwight is just final grasp to avert inevitablen for him!
Otis just wants to make sure, that after Magic starts winning this season Dwight still wants to get traded.
I just became 101% sure that Dwight is gone if not by Dec 31st, then in March. Book it.
Patience people
its wearing on me also but lets just go on with our lives and let it play out.
by 1stnamelastname on Dec 14, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions
now if nets do not get him?
these are high stakes for the nets
part of signing deron williams was to bring in a running mate. deron williams is not going to sell ticekts, dwight howard is.
he thinks dwill is the best starting piece over melo but he needs a running mate.
Need some D-12
Here's the thing...
We’re going to be out of cap space after Friday.
I’m not listening to all this false hope. Not yet. Otis seems delusional.
We can still keep the amount of cap space we have
amnesty Outlaw and replace his contract with Humphries for one year. done.
If we were to face a dire situation and not get Deron a running mate.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 14, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
THERE"S NO WAY THEY TRADE DERON WILLIAMS SAYS WOJ
Thank you.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Some on here thought they would.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
billy king now
woj says there is no way he going to trade deron williams
you keep an asset like williams and try to build around him
Need some D-12
Mike, I have a question
When you say ‘’staying focused on howard’’, is he saying staying focused on making the trade now or later?
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Great
I’m about to watch my team get CRUSHED against the Knicks at the Garden.
It's obvious from what Woj is saying
that this WILL get done now. BK knows he can’t risk this going on, and getting other teams involved. Like he said, either now or never. Won’t let this go to free agency. Maybe those are the ’’facts’’ you need to see this will still happen.
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Opinions are fact now in lupo world?
by LBJOSH on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whoever the Nets get
The Nets could trade come the deadline
Minus immediate cap releief
We’ll still be willing to take on Duhon & Turkoglu.
No
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
enough with the Otis Bashing
yes…i think he’s way in over his head and could be one of the worse GMz. But i’m almost certain Otis and BK presented numerous trade scenarios to Magic CEO / Ownership…and whoever else makes the decisions and it’s the ownership that’s nixing any deal.
How is 5 picks + Lopez a bad deal?
That’s a hail mary if I’ve ever seen one… what a great deal Orlando turns down. We’d have to build completely through FA… and have little to trade for a year.
Don't think Otis thinks it's really a bad deal...he wants to wait it out
They may actually be convinced that they can convince Dwight to stay.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely not a bad deal, the best the Magic + extra teams can get
But at the same time, as NI says in his previous article: draft picks are overrated.
They’re only as good as the person picking the players. And as history shows, GMs generally aren’t very good at drafting.
by thermodynamic on Dec 14, 2011 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BASICALLY
he is saying if orlando calls the nets at any moment. they say jump.
nets will just jump, not ask how high
Need some D-12
If you watch this video
Otis Smith is saying they will talk to all teams still, doesn’t mean anything will happen. Also it’s VERY obvious that Dwight wants out, and the Magic are hoping that because they have this final year with him, they hope he doesn’t leave.
http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2011/12/14/121411otissmithm4v-1935148/index.html
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SMH.
How did they not learn from Lebron in Cleveland?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
I think they have
But will wait it out until the deadline. Do everything they can while they have him, maybe they go on a major win streak to change his mind? Something like that.
by ZR on Dec 14, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I'm very upbeat after this interview!
Everybody knows Dwight is out one way or another.
by Belarus4life on Dec 14, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
elone
When Otis says he’s still talking, and BK says they’ll do the deal at any time(as is stated below), you think it can still get done now?
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Again it's Otis
I trust nothing at all.
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You have to remember
Deron williams may be upset but he cant be upset with the Nets. This whole fiasco is ALL on the Magic. So we have made deron happy.
also just like the nuggets pulled the plug on the melo deal, they brought talks back almost instantly. The same thing could happen with the magic either right now, or early in the season.
Time for D12 to sit out a couple of games with "migraine".
J-Kidd to D-Will
Dwight was never happeening
Maybe Hump will sign with us? I will laugh my ass off if he goes elsewhere.
"Losing is the same as winning, only with fewer points." - Keith Van Horn (90s Nike commercial)
so trade for Wallace and re-sign hump
and cut Outlaw
D-Will
Brooks
Wallace
Hump
Lopez
can still be a legitimate team…and look to trade for D-12 in the season
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Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Dec 14, 2011 4:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
we have to cut outlaw only when a trade is close to being made
by Prash Ramani on Dec 14, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
they can't wait past friday.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
friday is deadline to amnesty.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Fire Kiki
Hollah!!!!!!!!!!
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by YoungMoney24 on Dec 14, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Silver Lining
I disagree with Woj… if we can get this to Free Agency and keep Lopez/Deron/Dwight we can eliminate the Magic for decades and keep our picks.
He mentions Dallas as a threat though
If they can figure out away to fit both DWill & Dwight, it’s a huge risk. Dirk & no state income tax is an advantage we don’t have.
they are REALLY going to pick Dallas over BK? LOL
Dwight loves the idea of building his own legacy in BK and Dwill said there’s 90% he stays here… lets say odds are they come to BK
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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Who should we trade Farmar for?
He’s our main tradeable asset (and we don’t need him)
Omri Casspi
Eryan Ilyasova
Robin Lopez
id keep him
instead of all of those guys
by Prash Ramani on Dec 14, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Carlos Delfino
will allow Deron to play off the ball.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Wouldn't kill me if we traded him for Ilyasova
The other guys are pointless.
by Super Nova Is My Hero on Dec 14, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
In Dwights interview he still dodging the questions about trades
We need a Freudian slip to make things happen.
Magic have no reason to let this reach free agency unless Dwight is looking happy and they're winning come March
They need to get a final yes or no concrete answer out of Dwight by then. No more hoping he changes his mind, just are you happy now, yes or no? The question Dwight can’t seem to answer
Otis reminds me
terminally ill patient, struggling in excruciating pain, whom doctor offered relief – euthanasia, but he chose to live through pain another month.
Can King please talk to the Media so us fans can have an idea what he is thinking
by RandyOreens on Dec 14, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He owes it to season ticket holders...
Right now we look like a joke.
What does it tell you that he still hasn't?
As Mike said, when the Magic bite, it’s done. It’s obvious BK and Fegan will ramp up the pressure.
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Errr
MagicInsider Magic trying to smoke out L.A. with Nets trade tease. Lakers didn’t bite. Magic want PGasol and ABynum for DHoward. Now what? Wait.
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different year, different teams, same role
Dwight is Melo from last year
LA is NY from last year
Nets are the Nets
I’m wondering if the Lakers flirtation with CP3 trade talks is about getting Orl to bite on a Bynum for D12 trade.
difference is that Dwight wants to be here
If the Magic decide to bite on a deal from NJ Dwight’s here
Melo wasn’t necessarily signing if Denver wanted to trade him here, which meant the Nets would rescind
I'm not buying it.
This leaked because of the third team involved. Portland WAS the leak IMO
by Rodney Buford on Dec 14, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Now this is good news, and here's why
It’s obvious the talks are still going on. We’ve made our final offer, and Orlando went back to the Lakers to see if they’d bite, and when the Magic got rejected, they’ll have no choice but to take our deal.
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Or end talks and just play the season
And wait until one of them finally ups the offer.
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I don't think so
I think they’re still in talks. Almost immediately after they ’’ended’’ it, Otis came out and said the complete opposite. They know Dwight’s pissed, and they know they have to do something now.
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With the things Dwight has been saying, you'd wait until the deadline too before trading him
Crazy trades happen all the time in the NBA. What if they manage to land Stephen Jackson, another guy Dwight wants to play with? When Dwight leaves the door open like he has, they HAVE to wait and see if something changes
Stephan Jackson isn't keeping Dwight even if they get him
To old maybe a little younger but not sure that would do it.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
But you never know. That's the whole point, you never know
If there’s even a 5% chance they can change Dwight’s mind, they have to go for it
Bravo, a smart statement
If there’s even a 5% chance they can change Dwight’s mind, they have to go for it
Dwight or Bust
Nets lose 33+ games this season.
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Larry Coon chat
http://www.hoopsworld.com/salary-cap-chat-with-larry-coon-12142011/
Dwight/Nets tidbits:
Where do you see Dwight & Paul land if they do get traded before the season?
Larry Coon
If I have to say they both get traded (latest word is that Orlando has pulled Dwight off the table, but I haven’t confirmed that, nor do I know if it’s only temporary), then I’m picking New Jersey for Dwight (a deal seemed to be pretty close), and the Clippers for Paul.
If Dwight Howard does not get traded, what teams do you think are in a position to go after him?
Larry Coon
You mean in free agency next year? Dallas seems to be setting themselves up to go after him.
It’s been reported that the aborted trade of Dwight to NJ involving Portland would have netted (no pun intended) POR 4 first round draft picks. Seems to me, that means that Aldridge was in the deal. Agree?
Larry Coon
I don’t think so. I think they just had the virtue of being in the right place at the right time in order to benefit from other teams’ desperation to get a deal done.
After analyzing the context of the demands of what Dwight has been asking for I have noticed a trend that i think not many people have looked at.
first he wanted Chris Paul and i was like ok all star point guard i can take that
then he didnt want Arenas to be amnestied and i was like waoh ok? (scratch my head) then i was like ok well maybe they became close friends and didnt want him to leave
then when Dwight requested that the magic go after Billips it struck me
has Dwight had enough of his little big brother Nelson? is what he feels is a major factor to the magic losing that Nelson is not the fit point guard he feels should be on the team?
altho it is speculation it does bare some major coincidences and makes you wonder? Does Dwight Demand a new point guard to get rid of Nelson?
Larry Coon
I think Dwight wants to compete, and wants the Magic to do whatever they can to put the right pieces around him. I don’t think it has anything to do with Nelson personally.
Is it me, or are the Magic completely in denial about the fact that Dwight Howard wants to leave.
Larry Coon
I don’t know what he’s telling them behind closed doors. It makes sense that he might be equivocating now, since trade demands don’t help teams get a deal done, and Dwight doesn’t want to be perceived as a bad guy. I do know that Orlando is talking seriously to teams, so they seem to be perfectly aware of the consequences.
If Dwight and/or CP3 aren’t traded this season and their contracts expire how much $ will it cost them to sign elsewhere versus what their current teams will be able to offer?
Larry Coon
The starting salary will be the same. The raises will be bigger (7.5% vs. 4.5%) if they re-sign, and they could lock in an extra year (5 vs. 4) by staying.
If NJ does not get DH, will Deron want out of NJ and if so is there a chance a deal w/ the Lakers can take place?
Larry Coon
Yeah, I think there’s a chance, but I think the Nets will also have a lot of flexibility next summer to add pieces (even Howard) to convince Deron to stay.
I think it's fine.
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Now this is a credible reporter
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Since it's Howard or Bust,tiime to start making trades
Delfino for Farmar
Brook Lopez | Johan Petro
Shelden Williams | Another Vet Min | Jordan Williams
Carlos Delfino | Damion James | Stevo
Anthony Morrow | Marshon Brooks
Deron Williams | Sundiata Gaines
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Sundiata Gaines is def not a point guard (even a backup)
Shelden Williams, the guy has never cracked 17 minutes per game since he’s been in the league (need hump)
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
JJ
What’s with Delfino? Can’t we add Humphries on there and make that team look a lot better. That team is still brutal.
My Brother
you may think I have no idea what i’m talking about but, Delfino allows Deron to play off the ball and Shelden will be a Double-Double machine by default.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Shelden Williams will never be a double double machine
No where near as athletic nimble or mobile as hump.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
doesn't have to he boxes out better
who knew Hump would average a double-double going into the season?
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
I didn't know nothing about him until 2 years ago
when I saw this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbYUiXW_wNM&NR=1&feature=endscreen
Best defender, will get in your grill, doesn’t back down, handle and shoots the three well.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
I don't buy the Mavericks as a threat.
Why would Deron Williams leave the opportunity of Brooklyn (joining Howard) to play with a worse roster? The warm-weather?
Not worried about them at all. Would have been if the Nets wasted their cap-space, but they haven’t.
Okay...
Dirk, Williams, Howard and every other roster spot is filled with a vet minimum? Come on.
If those players are on the roster, they're not gonna have room to add Williams and Howard.
One or the other.
they will if they do sign and trades
jkidd terry come off the books..21 mill there….haywood and marion 16 mill there if amnestied and traded…it can be done…and you know mark cubans the best at making these moves and he doesn’t give a crap about luxury tax
Even if we end the year with no Dwight, if he's hitting free agency, we have a shot
Can Dallas really get enough cap space for Dwight and Deron?
How many teams can give them the chance to pair together?
agreed
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by YoungMoney24 on Dec 14, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
1 year deals
for the hump and for nachbar and lets get this season started
Pick up Arenas from waivers!
Can we get him for 1 year deal?
by Belarus4life on Dec 14, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
he already cleared waivers
hes a free agent and i hope they sign him
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
you know what? I just can't wait to see Marshon play either way!
sense of calm just came over me.
who knows, he may not turn out to be good. but I’m excited to see his potential.
Kardashian 2.0
KBergCBS Ken Berger
Nets and free-agent Kris Humphries’ rep have just started talking, source says. NJ intent on preserving ’12 cap space.
Great... Woo Hoo
New Nets? Same as old Nets.
I guess Otis really is done for now.
Oh well. Dwight will be a Net either way.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Is there any way?
We can sign one year deals for RJ and Hump.
I think that would put pressure on ORL, preserve the cap, and potential playoff team.
Thoughts!
Berger doesn't like us and is not credible
I don’t believe a word he says.
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lupo this is what u did during the lebronathon
said every reporter who said anything even hinting the nets wouldn’t get lebron wasnt credible.
ur hitting that denial stage again
1 year, $17 million
“Sure, it’s only one year, but you’re gonna get paid like out of this world.”
by Anthony Perez on Dec 14, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
all we have to do is what New York did last year
nothing to see here folks we dont have to cancel the season
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions
so let me get this.. as we look to sign humphries....
the only difference from our team at the end of last yr (minus deron’s wrist) is the addition of marshon and the ‘possible’ subtraction of outlaw
we are adding the best freaking point guard on the planet
thats not some minor difference
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
im talking about since the end of last season
so when we had deron
Noooo!!!, how could you forget Sheldon Williams bro?
Dwight or Bust
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I don't think we'll be terrible pre-Dwight
This can be a 28-30 win team in a 66 game season.
A lot depends on Avery. Can he get the team to play defense AS A TEAM? He couldn’t last year, and we mostly have the same team
If Outlaw is amnestied by Friday
and we make no other moves, will that convince you guys?
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Of what?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
That we'll get a deal done before the end of the month
You seriously can’t tell me BK would leave the team THIS shorthanded going into the season. No way.
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I can.
It seems the Nets are going to sign a bunch of one year deals and wait it out on the Dwight front.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
I don't take the Hump report seriously
because it’s Berger. If it was anyone else, i’d believe it. Besides, where have you seen that they will sign a bunch? Only Hump’s ’’report’’ by Berger. One thing I thought of: if this was really over now, why wouldn’t BK just come out and say that? Or Proky?
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Woj said that if a trade fell apart, the Nets would look to sign Hump to a one year deal for 8 or 9 million.
Don’t you trust Woj?
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Lopez vs Bynum in Basketball Jones
http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2011/12/14/bynum-vs-brook-whos-more-magic-al/
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by eLonepb on Dec 14, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was excited until I saw it was written by someone from Nets are Scorching
we Nets fans know Lopez is better value Bynum, it’s the rest of the league we have to convince!
by sheepareevil on Dec 14, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is..
Ken Berger: Nets and free-agent Kris Humphries’ rep have just started talking, source says. NJ intent on preserving ’12 cap space. 1 minute ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1gXyNsytN
Dwight or Bust alright
Trade him to us or we’ll acquire him as a free agent…
Only problem is if the Lakers finally bite, he’ll be a Laker.
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Who is left that we can get are ther other of left other then hump
by adjmi95 on Dec 14, 2011 4:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Does it really matter now
at this point it has to be Dwight or Bust.
Hump is BS. He will not take a one year deal.
Why not sign the Hump to 2 years 12 million?
I doubt he takes a one year deal. It would be double his salary etc.
as currently constructed in the east this team is a playoff team
so why all the doom and gloom
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:32 PM EST reply actions
why not whos that much better out of the probable lower seeds
bucks sixers bobcats pacers not much if there even better
im not even worried about this team not making the playoffs
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Pacers are definitely better
and I would say the Sixers by default are better, they’ve made the playoffs like 3 of the last 4 years, we haven’t.
by sheepareevil on Dec 14, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
guys relax!
Take a step back and look at the situation.
We knew that the magic wanted to take a shot at keeping Dwight in Orlando. All “Sources” (whatever that means) nearly always said that Orlando wants to take a look at their options. And that’s what their doing right now.
A lot of people were expecting Otis to make that move so don’t panic.
The likeliest outcome for this situation is that Otis will wait until the tradedeadline to trade Howard and we are heading in that direction. If you were a fan of the magic you would want him to do the same.
We all know that Howard is going to leave, it just makes no sense for him to stay. We know that, the Rest of the NBA knows that and probably even otis knows that.
We’re in a good position to land Howard. He’s seeing how hard we are trying to get him here and he probably would like to play for us.
If he wants to play for us he’ll come here and he probably wants to play for us.
I know it’s hard to wait, but it’s worth it.
excuse my english please
I just think that optimism is nice...
But in the NBA things change all of the time, see: Kobe demands a trade from Lakers in 2007 to Celtics acquire a Big 3 in about a month.
Nothing matters until the deal is done—and we’ve got nothing to show for our efforts.
But when you really think about it.
Getting him at the trade deadline or signing him as a FA doesnt help us. We are at the same position we are now. Hoping he signs.
We get him now we solidify him signing long term because we can give him the max.
deron is in contact with him
we can all agree on that.
If he doesn’t want to be a member of our team, we would certainly know. Thats why i think we will get him.
If he wants to play with us he knows he has to force his way out of there until January 1st and he will do so if its about money for him.
Last free-agency we had nothing to convince stars to play for us, now we have Dwill and that makes a big difference. Why do you think Melo wanted to go to New York and not New Jersey? Because he wanted to play with (an)other Star player(s). And a good PG-C combo has the ability to dominate night in night out.
excuse my english please
Hump is more than serviceable we should be
Happy he’s still out there, and he also has good chemistry with D-will. But I think Marshon will be key as well as Damion James staying healthy, hopefully we can get Shawne Williams in here as well.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
i could only imagine if this site was around when the team traded for kidd
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:34 PM EST reply actions
im talking about the way it is now
or maybe it was
but you can see why this is such a pathetic fanbase
people suggesting the season is over i cant wait to see this team with deron williams for a whole season
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Fan Perspective
If Bynum gets hurt again. Will Lakers trade him or Will Orlando not want him anymore?
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Our defense scares me
Avery couldn’t get basically the exact same roster to play defense last year, is there any reason that will change this year?
he s a mvp caliber player
shouldve included him in the trade dwight wouldve been here by noon tommorow…damn it bk y u not make that offer
with the D12 trade on hold
How long til the Nets call up Elone and get Loud and Proud back up and running? haha cheap courtside seats, I love it.
by JimmyLips on Dec 14, 2011 4:35 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Any minute now...
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
We need to trade Farmar for a SF. PLEEEESEEE
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Billy just needs to stop with trying to orchestrate a trade right now.
We’re going to get played like last year if we keep coming close to a deal. Lakers will eventually cave like the Knicks did.
I just thought of this now...
Lakers want him badly too. If they offer Pau and Bynum, that’s a wrap. Back to Kendall Gill for us..
yes he should stop doing his job
thats a brilliant approach
nene saved them from themselves resigning
everyone agreed this free agent class was terrible but everyone wants the nets to go crazy and overpay for guys
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Where did I say he shouldn't be doing his job?
by Clayton Balch on Dec 14, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
youre acting like this dwight thing is the only thing hes doing
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Well based on what's happened in free agency so far,
this IS the only thing he’s doing.
by Clayton Balch on Dec 14, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
And there's nothing wrong with that. I agree with it.
He just needs to go back into his stealth mode bunker and cut off all communication for a while so we don’t see a repeat of last year with Melo.
by Clayton Balch on Dec 14, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Proky Conference
Can we have one those proky conference. I am interested in seeing what he will call dwight ( like carmela…)
Has Deshawn Stevenson been signed yet?
I haven’t seen anything about it.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Stevenson, AK, and Hump.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Howard or bust
those scrubs is asking for too much.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
They would be on one year deals to keep cap space open for next year.
Also, they’re not scrubs.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
He shot 38.8 % from 3 and plays defense.
It would be a solid move.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
What will he be though
SG OR SF?
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Judging by the depth on the Nets, it would probably be a SF
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
6'5 not gonna cut it on a daily basis.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
He guarded moisoin Lebron in the Finals.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
he always guards Lebron though
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
If he can guard Lebron, I'll trust him against any SF.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Playoffs or NOT?
PG: D-Will
SG: Morrow
SF: RJ (One year deal to preserve cap)
PF: Kardashian (same deal like RJ)
C: B-LO
Bench you already know.
RJ WONT GET AMNESTIED
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Let's get Hump before Saturday
at least he knows the system and can step right in and help.
Give him a big one year deal. Promise him the starting job, to get his numbers and he can go get the multi year deal next year.
its a preseason game
who cares who starts that game
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Question
Is there a minimum time you have to wait to trade a player you’re re-signing? Could Humphries be used as another piece in a Howard deal?
by OTRWaldo on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
All free agents signed this year can be traded on March 1.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
only 60 days for this season
Trade deadline will be in March.
by BKNfastbreak on Dec 14, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I can't be a GM
I would put the betterment of the team aside, and just tell Otis to kiss my butt. I wouldn’t make any deals with him and watch as he gets a crap deal for Dwight from another team. I get too pissed off.
Seriously, Brook Lopez and 5 draft picks isn’t enough? 3 time Finals MVP Shaquille O’neal was traded for Odom, Butler, an expiring, and a draft pick. We’re offering 5 draft picks, a prospect much better than Butler or Odom ever were, and taking on 2 of their ridiculous contracts. When Otis comes crying back, I’ll offer him Petro and Outlaw.
by KingofDenial on Dec 14, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
shaq was older
and injury prone and overweight at that point
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I have a strong feeling
Outlaw is going nowhere. Which is going to severely limit our ability to do a trade at the deadline, or even a trade revisited by the Magic before the season starts.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Looks that way.
I don’t understand why though. If he came into camp in shape and looking good, I could maybe see why that would make sense. But he came in recovering from a broken hand and out of shape. There is NO reason to keep him around.
but the problem...
is that he will take up an additional $7 mil of cap space, is basically untradeable, and makes the Nets less flexible for an in-season trade.
Wish the Nets could do a mid-season amnesty.
by BKNfastbreak on Dec 14, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
not really dump and sign a better player for vets min
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
LMAO
at a thought that Outlaw may prevent us from getting Dwight Howard. L-M-A-O!
by Belarus4life on Dec 14, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
No we're all in for dwight outlaw is outta here couldn't disagree more
"Next year, with a full training camp, I think he can go after that Scott Skiles' record of 30." - Billy King
nene and butler shud of been signed..
billy king screwed up…so sik of my favorite team being garbage so sik of hearing rumors…so sik of dwight howard….he shud man up and say trade me to nets or where he wants now…the magic will never ever ever win a ring with that team…case closed….horrible this is really just hirrible
ABSOLUTE BLATHER
This entire blog is nothing more than absolute here-say based on the speculative comments of every talking-head-jackass on sports talk radio. When will we all come to the realization that a trade is a trade only AFTER IT HAPPENS – EVERYTHING ELSE IS SIMPLY HORSE#$%^.
Let me end this post by saying unequivocally that the Nets have the stink of the ROE BOE CURSE and getting beaten in the press by that IDIOT DOLAN and that sorry Knick franchise is getting really really tough to take.
You could, you know, not read if you want
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Trades are the product of hours and hours of talking and multiply different scenarios
Just because something didn’t happen doesn’t mean it wasn’t actually brought up
Don't go on sports blogs if you don't want to talk sports.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
And might I add, sir, that it appears that
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
by GMJigga on Dec 14, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
What are the chances BK (has an actual brain) and goes to Dwill and says:
“D, listen – I did EVERYTHING I could to get your gummy turnover-prone girlfriend.
Otis is being an outlaw.
Whaddya say we let that dog die. I’ll still try if the opportunity arises, but we will not hijack the entire team for this one guy.
On the bright side – you are the King of Brooklyn; no Batman and Robin horseoutlaw; just an intelligently constructed team that’s built around your great talents.
Team Ball with you to lead. You in?
Great, now we can put an end to this ridiculousness, rehabilitate the egos we kicked around for the last 3 weeks and play some ball!”
"Sounds good Billy"
5 min later: “Hey Mark? It’s Deron.”
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
than dump him too.
That’s my point. Someone needs to stop the insanity and build real basketball teams with real people who want to play team ball and not be “paired” with their secret lovers. It’s pathetic really
Trying to turn Harris, Favors, Kanter, 7 1sts, and Lopez into
Deron Williams and Dwight Howard is one of the greatest most ingenious things I’ve ever witnessed. Can’t blame Billy for having cojones.
by Clayton Balch on Dec 14, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone put up that gif of the guy jumping out the window. That at Least makes me smile
by csoko on Dec 14, 2011 4:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Magicinsider:
Magic trying to smoke out L.A. with Nets trade tease. Lakers didn’t bite. Magic want PGasol and ABynum for DHoward. Now what? Wait.
Dwight is obv better than both them but that’s a funky team if Orlando did that
Unless they can go:
Gasol to HOU
Scola/Dwight/duhon to LAL
Bynum/dragic/Kevin Martin to magic
by mb4th on Dec 14, 2011 4:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Martin and Bynum or Wallace and Lopez?
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
The magic would make two seperate trades if they were first able to get Bynum + Gasol..
the 2nd trade would be Gasol + filler for Martin + Scola
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
The future Conan.
As much as I wanted to see Dwight Howard introduced before the Knicks game, there’s a part of me that hates trading Brook Lopez for Dwight, since I think they could work so well together. I saw Brook and Dwight at a press conference when they were introducing new uniforms before last season and Brook was a good 3 inches taller than Dwight. and it just made me think of the potential of Brook’s offensive game to be unstoppable, with all the moves he has. I’m not saying he’ll ever be the all-around impact player that Dwight is. I’d still trade Brook fro Dwight in a second if that ensures we we’d land hm but I remember 80s and 90s basketball and I feel like Dwight Howard and DWill with no picks and taking back contracts makes us the Utah Jazz or the Knicks, of the 90s, which is winning 50 plus games but missing out to the tams with the big man and the star wing man, like the Heat and the Knicks. Lopez and Dwight Howard, along with DWill on the same team is better than Pau Gasol and Odom and would put us in the best position to win us a championship. These sign and trade talks are fun for a week but not when they drag out for 2 months. Sign a power forward, start the season and let them come back to us. Without sign and trades , I think DHoward would choose us over Dallas, but alas no one wants to give up the extra year of money, even though he’s young enough to do it. We’ll see
by Mr. Brendan Burns on Dec 14, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions
Has a Knick fan come here to rub their roster in our faces?
Tyson Chandler | Chris Hunter
Amare Stoudemire | Jared Jefferies | Renaldon Balkman
Carmelo Anthony | Bill Walker | Devin Green
Landry Fields | Iman Shumpert
Mike Bibby | Toney Douglass
Far from a contender IMO
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
they need more depth…but otherwise pretty good
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Only five players I would respect, rest are d-leaguers.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
I don't think Knicks fans give us the same attention
that most nets fans give them.
Plus the Knicks are contenders with that line up.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
They will win by at least 25 points on Saturday.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
Dude
I’m a Knicks fan and I have been coming by here recently hoping to hear about Dwight coming to the Nets because I want to see see a real cross-town rivalry and I would really love to see the Heat come up here for their road trip and get back-to-back beatings from the Knicks and Nets. I am a Jersey girl and I was raised a Knicks fan but that doesn’t mean I am going to harbor ill wishes for a team that plays in my state.
when I come into a thread with 1000+ comments I expect a lot of RABBLE RABBLE! RABBLE!
and i was not disappointed
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 14, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions
Feeling so disheartened right about now!
Feel like ive been cheated on…..more specifically i feel like ive been whining and dining a girl i though may have been special, and hadn’t even slept with yet, because we both said we’d like to wait since we had something strong going……..after a month of dating, i find her in bed with another guy!
That’s what i feel like right about now!
Whining and Dining=Spending hours on NetsDaily
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 14, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions
you find another chick
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
cant wait to march to find a new chick.....dont wanna be using my hand til then....
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Dec 14, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Couldn't you find a metaphor for that??
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Dec 14, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Like why get a chick now when you have to get Christmas gifts
when you can get a chick in March and save money….
I tried
Not sure if this has already been said but...
Its been clear the magic’s goal through all of this was to keep Dwight in Orlando, by not trading him now Orlando gains immensely. First off waiting till the deadline could mean a lottery pick from the nets in the upcoming draft. Second, and most importantly in my opinion, if they don’t trade Dwight before 1/1/12 then the magic are the only team that could possibly own Dwights bird rights. Could the magic be holding on to him because they think they could sell dwight on the extra year, and extra money?
Simmons
Nobody knows what to make of Howard these days. Isn’t it fascinating that Chris Paul’s up-in-the-air situation has totally overshadowed Howard’s up-in-the-air situation?
Why isn’t it a bigger deal that, for the eighth time in basketball history, a superstar center might be available?
Wilt Chamberlain switched teams in 1965; the Sixers won a title two years later.
Wilt switched teams again in 1968; the Lakers won a title four years later.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar switched teams in 1975; the Lakers won five titles from 1980 to 1988.
Moses Malone switched teams in 1982; the Sixers won a title nine months later.
Shaquille O’Neal switched teams in 1996; the Lakers won three titles in a row from 2000 to 2002.
Shaq switched teams again in 2004; the Heat won a title two years later. No superstar center has ever switched teams in his prime (or the tail end of his prime) without a parade eventually following.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Brook Lopez gets traded
and Orl wins title a few months later. LOL.
by Versifiervt on Dec 14, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Van Gundy on 1050
on Howard trade, says that Lopez/Wallace and picks was a garbage offer.
If Jeff thinks this then Stan Van thinks it too. Not cuz they’re brothers but likely cuz Stan updates Jeff every now and then with this trade stuff.
JVG must think shumpert and a 2nd rounder is enough then.
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
lol
i don’t know man. just doesn’t look good either way for the Nets.
Fine. Then Have some pride. Tell em all to screw. Better yet,
Build a dang team with heart and let ’em go at it.
Yeah but if it was Bynum
And Gerald Wallce – suddenly it’s a huge haul.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
not sure if this was in the article earlier
With the framework of a deal in place, talks had reached the ownership level in Orlando, league sources said. Nevertheless, Magic ownership did not approve of the trade, and general manager Otis Smith then informed teams Howard had been removed from the market.
Melodrama 2.0
Magic will be asking for a Russian state and Jerry next.
by Clayton Balch on Dec 14, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
So we had a trade that Otis approved?
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
Woj is better than this IMO
The Mavericks continue to clear salary-cap space for the summer when they assuredly hope to make a play for Williams and Howard. Williams is a Dallas native, and the worst case for the Nets would be to watch him join Howard in signing with the Mavericks.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Dwight + Deron = $35m
Meaning they need to be at $23m in salary.
Dirk alone makes $21m
They have Haywood and Marion (one would need to be amnestied) at $8m each
D.Jones for $1m
R.Beaubois for $2m
They have roster holds at 500k each.
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 14, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
if they really wanted to go they could do what miami's guys did
and take pay cuts
They can do that here too so we can sign more players
D.Williams
Morrow / Brooks
’12 #1 / D.James
Lopez / J.Williams
Howard / Petro
looks just as good or better than
D.Williams
Beaubois / D.Jones
Marion /
Dirk
Howard
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 14, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
So many draft picks.....
So, we say we get Howard, and give up all those draft picks, and say Billy King gets us another decent player in the next year or two. Is that enough to win a championship versus Miami’s big three, or Chicago? Or OKC? Giving up so much for Howard, means that we will only get second round picks for years and years. He may be “superman” but he is only one player, and the game needs 5 starters and three or four decent subs. Howard and DWILL are two of five, who are the other three on a championship team? Morrow? MarShaon? Outlaw? Graham? even Humph if we resign him? It is just too many draft picks for one guy.
I am sorry, but I don’t do that deal. I am sad we missed on Nene, costing us nothing but money…….
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
Question:
I came home from working reading all of the doom and gloom posts because the howard deal is dead "for now". Some are talking about how bad the team is going to suck and not going to make the playoffs. Here’s my question:
We know Dwill is an all start PG. But if nets fans feel we cannot make the playoffs with Lopez at center, then what are we as nets fans saying about Lopez? And if we as nets fans do not think Lopez is good enough, why should we expect Orlando to make the trade with him as the main piece?
by aug93 on Dec 14, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the gloom and doom is from missing out on FA
Brook is great, but the not good enough to lead a team to the playoffs without some other pieces. The reason I feel Brook is a good trade piece is because of his potential not his current ability (which isn’t bad)
it was one of the worst freee agent classes ever
spending for the sake of spending isnt a great idea
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't for spending for overspending
But something is much better than nothing. At least one of the guys gone we could have signed to improve the team
the players available stunk
call me crazy but id rather not waste the capspace on nene
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think that Lopez is good enough...
Have you seen our starting SF and PFs?
These would be the same SF and PF if Howard were here...
And I think there will be a SF and/or PF signed
and if he leaves he leaves
just enjoy watching him
if he leaves for less money then thats up to him
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
So you're going to be blase about the whole thing?
Have gotten so used to losing, it doesn’t really phase you anymore, does it?
Well I’m SICK of losing!! I’m sick of being a doormat and I’m sick of the Nets not getting who they want WHEN they want.
If DWill bolts, I sure as hell am not going to be all like “Oh well…gee willikers…oh shucks…if he leaves, he leaves…la-dee-da!”. I’m going to mad as hell, of course….as ALL NETS FANS would be.
from wht i have read in woj's article
otis was ready to trade d12 to nets but ownership denied the trade…..so we cant really blame otis now!!!
Alex Martins
He must’ve disliked it so much that he just shut down trade talks. Probably more of a threat to get the Nets to up their ante.
I suppose a team out there now knows we’re willing to give away all the picks forever… maybe something will come together.
Fact is, they don’t like our deal. They like Pau and Bynum for some reason. They want to keep winning, rebuilding isn’t in their plans.
Lakers still very much in play.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
CP Needs to get traded to Lakers ASAP..
Also, dwight has to have a frank conversation with martins. Too bad for that drunk dialing idiot still isn’t the CEO.
I Like how Simmons frames something.
When you’re pro: you list everything pro
When it’s con: list the cobs
Our owner is goofy
The clippers are the place to be
by mb4th on Dec 14, 2011 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
he writes for entertainment more than anything
he has great insight a lot of times, but he’ll easily sacrifice neutrality for an easy joke. The Nets have been that easy joke for years. Don’t take anything he writes too seriously.
by sheepareevil on Dec 14, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather overpay for Nene and come out of FA with an impressive front court than to have nothing
but hope. We would of been a guaranteed 6 seed with Nene. Now we are in the same exact boat. BK failed us. DWill is a goner…
how is he a goner when you know damn well BK consults him on EVERYTHING!!!!??!?!? Go away. troll
by yanksdevsjetsnets on Dec 14, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Simmons et al shits on the Nets yet again
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7352957/the-ninth-day-nba-christmas
Apparently Brook Lopez is that much worse than Bynum.
It's this kind of public perception
That devalues our trade far more than it actually is. The Nets wouldn’t trade Lopez for Melo. That says everything about what OUR GM thinks about him.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
“Howard has warned the Magic if they don’t move him by the March 15 trade deadline, they’ll lose him for nothing in free agency. Howard told the Magic again on Wednesday that he wanted a trade, a league source said.”
"Dwight’s not a happy camper," one league source told Y! Sports.
Where
did you see that he told them again wednesday?
its clear
that they prefer the Lakers package of Bynum AND Gasol but everyone is saying the Lakers will not give both up for Howard. The magic are a complete joke and everyone is seeing how dysfunctional their front office is. The GM and owner are on different pages and supposedly the Nets proposed deal today was brought to ownership and shot down. They offered FIVE 1st rounders plus lopez, wallace from portland and taking back bad contracts from the magic. who the hell else would offer more? Delusional.
by yanksdevsjetsnets on Dec 14, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
If that's true and it was shot down by the Owners and NOT Otis...
…then I think our Ire should be taking away from Dumb-Otis and shifted toward Dumb Ownership.
All Ownership wants, to be honest, is Howard there to sell tickets as if he was a Freak Show in the circus.
It’s all about taking the money from the STH of Orlando to them.
source?
#FreeDwight!
D-Will+D12=Brooklyn 2K12
by "NetsNation" on Dec 14, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I get that the Nets offer is the greatest
but what the hell are people expecting? In my opinion, if the Magic expect the Lakers to make an offer at Dwight before the trade deadline, I think they’re delusional. Why? Because let’s say the lakers are in 1st or 2nd place at the time. They’re going to blow up their front court mid season, possibly making them worse? Not on Kobe’s watch.
Van Gundy is being unfair calling the Nets offer garbage. All that cap relief, draft picks, a rising young center who averaged 20 ppg (3rd in the NBA as far as Centers go) and Gerald Wallace is considered garbage?
I don’t know, I really have no idea what to think anymore.
AND
besides last year, Brook averaged more rebounds per game than Bynum…..I’m lost
Public perception
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playoff bound
I think a full season with Deron Williams and a healthy and in shape Brook Lopez can get us into the playoffs. We can’t forget that Deron only played i think 15 games for us last season. Of course this is dependent on resigning Humphries.
I think Orlando ownership might be playing the waiting game to see if they can show Brook isn’t a top center AND to get a better draft pick from us assuming we won’t be a good team.
Williams
Morrow
James
Hump
Lopez
while not a championship team i feel this is at least a playoff team. You have to remember a good PG makes his team mates better. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw career years by 1 or 2 Nets this year simply by playing with Deron for a full season.
This could help us by getting Dwight for less and if we get off to a hot start and Orlando doesn’t, i wouldn’t be surprised if Orlando comes to us before the trade deadline to make a deal.
Miami
New York
Chicago
Boston
Indiana
Orlando
Atlanta
Milwaukee
are by far superior teams than us
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Dec 14, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
indiana and the bucks definately arent superior
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Indiana is
Bucks don’t know.
Orlando has potential to be bad depending on how things go.
by Jack Handy Jr on Dec 14, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Collison
Hill
Granger
West
Hibbert
Really?
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Dec 14, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
collison is average at best
david west is still injured hibbert is ehh and granger is a ehh as well
thats hardly superior
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
You are a homer, take the homer glasses off please.
Indiana as currently constructed is better than the Nets as currently constructed.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
Yes. They are. Indiana
Collison, George Hill, Granger, West, Hibbert. They are better.
Milwaukee: Jennings, Redd, Jax, Bogut and whoever their four is
Dr. J~Super Buck~Draz~JKidd~Deron
Let's just get on with it
Get those 1-year deals, Deron’s fully healthy, Lopez is on a contract year so should be working hard, and so on.
The trade deadline awaits. Meanwhile, game on.
OHHH I CAN't WHEN ...
BYNUM AKA BYBUM falls on his crippling glass knees this season…
by JerseyAdam on Dec 14, 2011 5:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Andrew BumNum
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 14, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
you shouldn't wish injury on someone no matter who they are
not saying i’ll be crying if Amare goes down and cripples the Knicks’ title hopes, but he’s a person too, shouldn’t wish harm on ’em.
by sheepareevil on Dec 14, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By the way NI, the last line is inaccurate I believe
It was tweeted today that the amnesty deadline is midnight on Friday, not COB.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
some people are doing business up to the wee hours. :)
heck, someone even drunk calling somebody at 1AM !
Git it done!
If in fact Lopez did train with Hakeem and learned something
I see him having a break out year raising his trade value.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
23pts 8.5 rebs 1.5 blocks
the only reason you consider trading him is because its for the best player at his position
im comfortable going forward with him for the next 10-15 years
i think he takes a giant leap forward
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Wow that would be seriosly impressive stats...
and quite surprising 0_o
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
why
his rebounding number are only going back up to where the were his first 2 years
and deron is going to get him into better scoring positions
he can get a block and a half per game by accident
by mightymosdefinition on Dec 14, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
If in fact Mono and the calcium deposit did affect him we should see what we saw when VC was here.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
The more I read the details, the more I realize the Magic were right to refuse it
This “shut down” is just a threat I think, or at least a way of removing the cloud of these trades from the team during camp. Hell, Otis came out today after the “shut down” and said he’d be talking to all teams still but that it didn’t mean anything can move.
Add to that, Dwight himself asked for a trade again today (per Woj) and was very unhappy that it didn’t go down.
So that said, we need to do better. All Orlando was getting for the #2 star in the league was Brook Lopez + Gerald Wallace + ONE first round pick. Portland was the team getting 4 to convince them to send GW to ORL.
Billy has to do better and has to do better by Friday. A fourth team involving someone, a better “star” than Lopez for Orlando, something.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Yep. Just like Proky "shut down" Melo talks.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
"When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?" - Dan Gilbert
Lopez can go 22 and 8
fed by a healthy Deron, who’ll also be a real offensive threat, not just a passer.
Lopez reminds me of a better version of Rick Schmitz from back with the Pacers
by ap3604 on Dec 14, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way in blue hell
That Gerald Wallace was worth 4 1st rounders. That’s insanity.
by Anthony Perez on Dec 14, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Does anyone think Howard could be convinced to stay? What would it take? Conference Finals?
Dr. J~Super Buck~Draz~JKidd~Deron
I know alot of you haven't really ventured of this thread on ND (don't blame you)
but i posted a new fanpost. feel free to leave any comments and opinions
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He's getting traded by the deadline
that’s why it’s not over for us (or the lakers, unfortunately)
yeah
made it before that article came up. my timing seems to be very bad. But if Orlando calls the bluff or if Billy doesn’t trade, then it people would be mad depressed around here anyway.
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So according to Woj
Dwight has asked for a trade 3 times by now? Why do they want to keep a disgruntled star around when there have been offers? Nets might not be able to make the same offer later in the season due to cap space reasons. There is some hinting that Otis would have been ok with the deal if the ownership approved.
What about trying to get Josh Smith involved in this trade?
Outlaw= Cap room and Atlanta would get the same 4 picks Portland was getting.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
von wafer?
"Chuckers ain't champions" -- James Naismith, 1891
by calling all toasters on Dec 14, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
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