Stein: Nets' Deal Best for Magic
by Net Income on Nov 30, 2011 9:10 PM EST
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PrintMarc Stein broke the story about the Nets' planned offer for Dwight Howard. Later Wednesday, he told ESPN Radio that he thinks the Magic will soon trade Dwight Howard. And if the Nets offer Brook Lopez, two first round picks and other assets for Howard and Hedo Turkoglu, Stein says the Magic should take it. It's likely the best deal they'll get.
"I think they’re going to trade him now," Stein told Doug Gottlieb, citing Magic GM Otis Smith's comments to the Orlando Sentinel earlier in the day.
Stein dismissed the idea that the Knicks, Clippers or Lakers will offer a better deal than the Nets. "A young center in Brook Lopez and two first round picks AND the Nets willingness to take back Hedo’s contract combined with Orlando’s ability to use the amnesty provision on Gilbert Arenas – Orlando really would have a chance to start off with financial flexibility."
However, Stein's colleague, Chris Broussard, said on another ESPN Radio program that the Nets aren't even in Howard's top three and it's more likely that Chris Paul goes to the Knicks than Howard goes to the Nets.
Here's a transcript of the key part of the interview, thanks to Anthony Perez:
Gottlieb: Marc, if you had to guess, where does Dwight Howard play at the end of the season?
Stein: I think they’re going to trade him now. I thought Orlando would really be stubborn with this and take an approach similar to Toronto with Chris Bosh, but Otis Smith has kind of shocked us today and told the Orlando Sentinel – you know, this is the first day team executives can talk to the press – and he told his local paper, ‘Look, we want to keep Dwight Howard, but if we have to trade him and realize it’s impossible to keep him, we will do it.’
And that’s really the first time Otis Smith has talked like that and I think he sees the inevitable here. Dwight Howard wants to go to a major market, he wants to end up with the Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, or Nets, who are forcing their way in now (?); and he wants to end up in LA or NY and you have to believe that’s the way this story is going to end.
Gottlieb: So if you had to guess – because I just don't see how the Knicks can put any kind of offer together – will they take on a couple of bad contracts from the Lakers and maybe Andrew Bynum or do they take some young players from the Clippers? Isn’t that the choice?
Stein: Well, I feel the Clippers think they have the cap space to wait this thing out and make a play in the summer time, which is of course risky if Dwight ends up getting traded somewhere he likes. We have the story today on ESPN.com about the offer the Nets are putting together and frankly look, you’re not going to get equal value for Dwight Howard, but a young center in Brook Lopez and 2 1st round picks AND the Nets willingness to take back Hedo’s contract combined with Orlando’s ability to use the amnesty provision on Gilbert Arenas – Orlando really would have a chance to start off with financial flexibility and a decent big man and some good draft picks…I think that’s a decent starting point.
I think that offer is better than anything the Lakers can put on the table because Bynum still has durability issues and Pau Gasol is not the dominant player he was a year or two ago. It’s a difficult decision because there’s no slam dunk option out there, but you just have to make the best of the situation the way Denver did with Carmelo Anthony.
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Anthony Perez is doing work today!
Another great transcript. Thanks!
Stein is right in everything he said. Hopefully Otis sees it the same way
by djeterfan on Nov 30, 2011 6:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Thanks
My employer would disagree though…
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like they’re trying to switch jerseys
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
by Andy. on Nov 30, 2011 6:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
it doesn't matter what's best for Otis
It’s all on Dwight Howard point blank!!!
by boogeewon on Nov 30, 2011 6:33 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
i posted last thread- will repost- Magic have to decide now on DH.. all comes down to Jason Riichardson
The Magic are in cap hell. They are way over. If they actually.. really want to compete they need a healthy Jason Richardson. They have his Bird RIght so can go over the cap to extend him. This is their ONLY chance to have a SG worth anything (realize his value is debatable)..
No FA will go there on a mid-level.. too risky with prospect of DH being traded.
If the Magic keep Richardson, it will be a several year deal which will hurt them further against the cap.
Scenario 1- They extend Richardson
Will have to amnesty Arenas (no big loss)
pg- nelson/_
sg- reddick/richardson/quentin
They will have Richardson and Hedu on several year deals.. not good
Scenario 2- Dont resign Jason Richardson
pg- nelson
sg- reddick/richardson
THey could keep arenas in this circumstance and hope for the best.. they almost have to actually.. will be too far above cap to get another guard
Scenario 3- Trade DH
Dont resign Richardson
Amnesty Arenas
Suddenly, they are under the cap
m not saying Howard will be a Net.. but I think the Magic will realize if Dwight doesnt commit.. best time to trade is now.. or else they will be hamstrung by another bad deal
If they wait until the middle of the season...
They will not get cap space since all the trade partners will no longer have cap space.
Anthony Perez is on fire! Great job man!
That millisecond you're sure you're going to die when you lean back in your chair a little to far.
didnt the guy from espn say thyat he preferred warmer weather teams.....
this probably means we r not getting him…please prove me wrong and tell me this is a false or stupid statement….
Dwight or bust....
Superbowl or bust...
Oh no! It's warm in duh gahden? D12 to knicks?????
That millisecond you're sure you're going to die when you lean back in your chair a little to far.
this is a stupid statement...
i doubt he wont go to a brand new franchise new york city because of the weather. they play indoors….
Very excited to see Orlando sounding like they will make a quick decision...
Maybe Smith’s comments are in reaction to the Nets offer.
If they want to start over, we do have the strongest offer and could sweeten it in other ways (e.g., Brooks).
smith realizes the Nets offer goes away in a few days and he sounds like a man that is contemplating.
Same!
Multiple picks in a stacked draft, Hedo’s contract off their hands, and a young top center that hasn’t missed a game in 3 seasons? May not be jaw-dropping, but does Otis expect to get equal value in return? haha
That millisecond you're sure you're going to die when you lean back in your chair a little to far.
Should I get my hopes up only to get crushed in 2-3the weeks time? I really believe this is the best deal Orlando can get!!
1 time baby!!!! 1 time…….
by Rp15x on Nov 30, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If Orlando is ready to trade him...
I think he will be a Net. Simply no one can offer the cap space. Clips are close but they can only lead with Gordon.
Wow
Thanks for that.
I honestly have felt that Howard would come to the Nets as soon as we got DWill.
I can dream at least.
Question for everyone
Should the Nets make this trade if Howard does NOT agree ahead of time to extend/re-sign?
Hmm
Dwight and Deron would probably both extend if they end up on the same team..
That millisecond you're sure you're going to die when you lean back in your chair a little to far.
I agree
If Dwill & DHoward play one (shortened) season together and it goes well, say playoffs, 2nd round exit, I think it’s no sleep til Brooklyn.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 30, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone who honestly thinks that both Deron and Dwight will walk away from the chance to compete against the Heat
in a brand new, billion dollar arena in the greatest city on Earth playing for the richest owner in sports, who also happens to be a part-time constant badass, is a foooool.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Which is something I have noticed in a few summaries of the news that broke today.
Mentioning that Dwight, too, could bolt from the Nets if traded…honestly, who in their right mind thinks both he and Deron will walk away from this situation???
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
and an owner who can possibly be the next ...
President or Prime Minister of a foreign country.
Believe!
no doubt
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Les Go Billy K!
I was initially somewhat inclined to agree with Killa’s doubting that this would work out, but as this unfolds its starting to look like Brilliant Billy may have dealt a significant opening punch in the Fight for Dwight with this early, unsuspected jab… I like. Now lets see who makes the next move…
Moreover, I am encouraged by the notion that GMs may have been through enough BS with Melo to NEVER want to replicate that again. Either way, no matter what happens with DH12, I think that’s good for the league and ALL of the fans.
Except the Knicks. Screw the Knicks.
Jet Black Ninja
8 > 3
watching sportscenter
and ric bucher says his gut feeling is that dwight is a maverick even though Nets would prob have the best offer…
by WuSwarM36 on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dwight is only a Mav if Orlando waits until the offseason and gets nothing or a lousy S&T
If Orlando knows he is gone (and it sure sounded like it), they have to consider the Nets offer and realize they have about 48 hours before the offer disappears.
i dont think the NBA can make trades until December 9th...
so even if this trade is being proposed i dont think it cant be official until then. but i could be wrong…
Dallas can only get Dwight at the end of the year...
If Orl trades him, there is not a better deal than the Nets with cap space.
what can they offer?
will they wait and pass on re signing their FA in order to have the cap space to sign him?
what’ so appealing about such an old team?
makes no sense if you ask me…
Otis Smith's comments today are very telling
I would now not be that surprised if this trade went down. It is BY FAR the best rebuilding trade the Magic will find, and it’s not even close.
Exactly...
I was very doubtful but if Otis is ready to trade…I think it will be the Nets.
We could throw in James and Brooks to give Orl the equivalent of 4 #1 picks.
Stein: I think the nets are the best fit
Host: so will it be the lakers or clippers?
by mb4th on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
why does dwight's opinion even matter?
make the trade regardless. it’s up to Otis.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Even give them bogs rights
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
So you guys want to give them... 2 first rounders, Brook, James, Brooks and the Rights to Bogs
So that leaves us with D-Will, Morrow and Dwight… and Farmar. Oh and Petro. Great.
In a Brooklyn minute...
Although of course I would like to keep the rooks. Don’t forget that we would also have Gaines and JWil!!!
Never said Brooks
said Bogs want to keep Brooks, think we would need a dynamic wing player with Howard and Deron.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
That team you speak of
Would still be under the cap by almost $10M and have the mi level after that.
I’d say that’s pretty sweet
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
by Kendrick Jay on Nov 30, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
If you have the chance to get Dwight effin' Howard, you don't hold up the deal because of a constantly injured SF, an unproven rookie, or a player that won't even be in the NBA for at least another season.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Agree, give them boggy not brooks
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
same here these comments shocked me along with everyone
Seems like he is ready now up to dwight.
Now or never
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Could be a direct reaction to Nets offer...
I have increased my percentage chances from 10% to 33%.
the only way i dont see dwight coming to the Nets is if he doesnt approve an extension because he’s a baby and complains its not as warm in nj/bk as it is in LA
If Otis holds him past Dec 9th...we no longer have the best offer.
by rundmc00 on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
well i think by then other teams will have tried to put in an offer for D12. In my opinion we have the absolute best deal, but i have a feeling they’ll want us to add like morrow or farmar.
Not sure they would want to save money
To get ready for the next free agent class.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I think its interesting that the NETS offer is the only one that has been talked about as a leaked rumor with specifics
If all these other teams are so clearly going to compete, where’s are the ESPN headlines?
God knows they hate having to talk about the NETS.
Jet Black Ninja
8 > 3
doesn't matter
as long as Otis accepts our offer we’ll trade for Dwight, don’t need his approval once he gets here there’s no way he and Deron don’t stay
It can be Scalabrine for all i care
As long as we have Dwight haha
That millisecond you're sure you're going to die when you lean back in your chair a little to far.
you dont want Hump-type at PF
you want a shooter to open things up. Dont need a rebounder.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Nov 30, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully J-will is working on that jumper
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Brandon Bass...
Separate trade of James, Brooks and Graham (to be cut) for Bass.
Spices things up for Orlando and our starting five is:
Williams/Morrow/Hedo/Bass/Dwight
Crappy bench.
west, landry, mcroberts or a trade
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 30, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
McBob is who came to my mind first
He’ll be pretty cheap too…
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
Hump would give a discount to play with Howard/DWill team.
And Hump would become a better scorer that he is now. He is always working on new things.
Did you see how quick he was at blocking Kim’s punches?
If Dwight was double covered, Hump would be open to finish at the rim.
And who was the first call that Billy King called at 9:05 this morning? Hump’s agent!!
i think we could forget about humphries because he’s a pure rebounder, and we dont need two at the 4 and 5. maybe they look at david west.
HUMP, HUMP, HUMP
But then might Orlando want to include Hump in a sign and trade?
Would that be legal, if salaries worked?
:/
still not the ideal PF to Howard. You know who would be ideal, Yi hahah cause he can hit a jumper, and doesnt need to rebound.
if you dont stretch with the 4
then the PF can help and double on dwight… You want the man playin Morrow or Brooks to help to leave them open for the 3.
Take Note: You have DWill D-12 for goodness sake
your lineup can’t be ideally perfect.
This is not fantasy BB.
Believe!
I was thinking the same thing.
AK would certainly give a discount to play for a championship in Brooklyn.
Don't forget Chair
He kicked Yi’s ass in practice.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 30, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Carl Landry
would be a great. Hustle player who can play inside and also shoot jumpers. Wonder if he’ll be obtainable with the MLE.
I always thought the Dwight/Deron thing was too good to be true and was unlikely to happen
However, with Otis’s comments and our strong offer, this might actually be happening! And don’t say this is like the Melo drama because we now have Deron (just like the Knicks had Stat).
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
They cannot unless they throw in Griffin...
We have as much cap space and their next best player is Gordon.
Much rather thave Brook.
2 words
Donald Sterling. I am very skeptical of Dwight wanting to play for him.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
people are saying they can send Jordan in the deal
if thats the case nets can send humphries as well.
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 30, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Kaman would be an attractive expiring.
Dwight+Hedo -- Kaman+Gordon+picks on a basic level to start with.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Nov 30, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Humphries has to agree to go there
He’s an UFA
From Mike Mazzeo's ESPN article
Obviously, there’s no guarantee that Orlando bites on the Nets’ trade package. But you have to like the chances of it getting done. New Jersey can take on Hedo Turkoglu’s albatross — if they amnesty Outlaw — without making the Magic take on any major salary commitments in return.
It really is the perfect deal for a team forced to trade its superstar. A deal that clearly expedites the rebuilding process.
by NetsKiNG on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If we got Dwight
I would camp out in a tent outside the Rock waiting for opening night.
by NetsKiNG on Nov 30, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
How many seasons from 12 wins?
Quickest turnaround to the 1% of all time.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
I'll be right there with you
That millisecond you're sure you're going to die when you lean back in your chair a little to far.
I would actually be able to sell my season tickets
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
by Top Whodi on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Orlando will probably want to part with Arenas,
not Hedo, if ever they’re trading Howard.
Everybody’s saying it but it’s hard to see the Magic amnesty-ing Arenas, paying him $60 million for nothing even if he won’t count against the cap. They’ll want to be rid of him and be a parting gift for the team that ends up with Howard. It’s Turkoglu they can then consider amnesty-ing or not. That would seem to make more sense from Orlando’s perspective.
With that scenario, It would mean gutting the team (Morrow and possibly everybody else not named Deron)., leaving just the MLE and minimum contracts for a supporting cast.
But, I desperately want to see DWill paired up with Dwight; I’m still thinking, screw it, let’s just go for it.
Dwight and Deron need to make there own Legacies!!
not follow in the footsteps of others before them and win a title with “that club” that been there all the time. do something different so ppl can see your not just the same thing. be a hero to a club that has never won an NBA title before. How do you think Dwayne Wade become a GOD is Miami? Him and Shaq did something no one else did. and now Miami is a top 3 team. u can always win a championship in Boston, LA, or where ever. but giving us Nets fans the 1st NBA title we ever got, that last more in a lifetime then being someone who won there 16th, or 17th title IMO. Dr J knows the deal. now its time someone else felt that as well….
by WuSwarM36 on Nov 30, 2011 6:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Deron + D12
will have not 1 not 2 not 3 but 4 Championships!
by iambryan on Nov 30, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Cool story bro
But I want The Killer B’s to deliver the Double D’s!!!
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone have insider?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7291975&slug=how-new-cba-affects-every-nba-team&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fstory%3fid%3d7291975%26_slug_%3dhow-new-cba-affects-every-nba-team
Breakdown of how the new NBA affects each team. Just curious to what they have to say about the Nets
I think it's fine.
FYI: if you just put the writer's names and the title of the article into google you can always find these insider articles on a chinese website called hoopchina
How it helps: The Nets ended up blowing all of their cap space last summer on mediocre players. Now that they have Deron Williams in the fold, they desperately need some of that space back to bring in a better supporting cast around him. The new amnesty rule is a godsend for the Nets. Travis Outlaw should be packing his bags.
The lack of a hard cap and the relaxing of the system demands of the owners should play right into the Nets’ hands. They are a year away from being in Brooklyn and, by proxy, a big-market team. The fewer restrictions on billionaires throwing their money out the window the better.
The new extend-and-trade and sign-and-trade rules protect them — a little bit — from Williams twisting their arm into another trade or just bolting outright this summer.
How it hurts: The new extend-and-trade and sign-and-trade rules also somewhat limit the Nets’ ability to land another star alongside Williams. They could also really use at least one more amnesty waiver for Johan Petro.
Immediate impact (this season): The Nets really want Dwight Howard. In fact, they’reprepping an offer that includes Brook Lopez and draft picks as we speak. To get Howard, they’ll also agree to take Hedo Turkoglu’s contract back and that wouldn’t be possible without the new amnesty rules. If the Magic say no, they can still strike in free agency now. They have the cash to land a stud free agent or two (Nene is at the top of their list) and then hope that’s enough to convince Williams to sign an extension this season.
Long-term impact (future seasons): The stiffer luxury-tax penalties and trade rules will hamper the big spenders a little, and if the Nets’ strategy is to build the team like the Heat, they might find that it’s going to be tough to get that third star under the new rules.
I mean to be honest just going by the Brooklyn arena last week
Particularly where it is located I think its going to be a huge lure for players, you can feel its going to be special, hard to put to words if you have not been there.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
no
what’s ridiculous is that you can’t spell ridiculous
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 30, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You just got cinnamontoastcrunched.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
by GMJigga on Nov 30, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't believe it
Feels like the Melo drama all over again.
Why do people say this?
We have Deron Williams now! We have our Amare to recruit Dwight. Dwight has given so many clues that he’s interested in us including mentioning Morrow and Dwill on his top 5 list, driving through Brooklyn, dancing with our dancers in Moscow, etc. This is different then the melodrama and even if we don’t get him, Dwight is worth going through all these rumors for. Melo is not.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
big difference is we have a STUD player already
not trying to sell it to dwight with a 12-70 team with no star. We have Deron, Brooklyn is closer, and Mikhail is our owner….
It may be in place...
And you know Billy and Otis are friends.
Regarding the first round draft pick that we would be sending out.
Wouldn’t that pick be 2013 first rounder since you can’t trade back to back picks.
and you mean 2014
it would be 2012 and 2014 if our picks were in different years but we have houstons pick also
I believe that was the rule
we could send them the Rocket’s 2012 and our 2013
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
yes I believe we have ours and Houston's
But Houston’s is lottery protected
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
yes...
right now the Nets have their own 2012 pick, 2012 Hou pick, and 2014 Nets 1st rounders to offer in a trade.
by BKNfastbreak on Nov 30, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
we had other picks this year...
so i think we can send them both our 2012s.
agree..
because Nets used a 1st rounder for Brooks, so they can deal all 2012 1st rounders.
by BKNfastbreak on Nov 30, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Smith is on the clock...
He knows this is the best deal he is getting.
He seems to know Dwight is not resigning with the Magic.
The drama is great…and the best news is our consolation prize is the Brazilian beast!!!
Not quite
I don’t have a good feeling about landing Nene anymore
by bronxbombers2 on Nov 30, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
excited but hopin the Nets dont have to gut the team like the Knicks did
Dwill Farmar
Ammo Brooks
Hedo James JHoward
Nene JWill
Howard Petro
LOL we would not have enough for Nene
unless he wants Marc Gasol money of 9 per. and we still wouldnt have it
maybe he will
He says its not bout the $
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 30, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not worried about gutting
Dwill+Dwight and a bunch of 8th graders is a top 3 seed. I’m sure guys are going to sign for the cheap to play with these guys in Brooklyn. You do what you need to do to get Dwight and worry about the rest later.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When you think about it
It makes perfect sense for the Magic. This is the only way they can get the desired cap relief, and they have to do it NOW. They also get an extremely talented young center, and 3 picks in an insane draft. What else are they going to get? The Lakers can offer them an offered injured center and an old star. Why take that deal? They are getting two insane contracts to get worse. Another reason why I would take the deal is Brook is still on his rookie contract, where Bynum is owed 16 million this year. Magic fans are delusional.
2 from the Nets...
I’m thinking the Nets will have to part with 2014 pick as well. This was one of the benefits of not giving away 4 first rounders for the 1st star. 4 first rounders were a part of some of the Melo rumors. Would have left us short for this trade offer.
by BKNfastbreak on Nov 30, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
lets hope it is enough
but man Otis interview was an eye opener, never heard or read him say anything close to that last year.
That's what really opened me up earlier today
He’s always been hard line about not shipping him off.
He’s setting up the fan base for disappointment, this may not even be his wishes. Ownership may see the writing on the wall and saying, “just do it and get it over with…”
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
We definitely have the best offer...
If Dwight is traded on Dec 9, I am convinced it is the Nets.
Does nyone know exactly how a Brook + picks swap could work?
Is there a new rule in the CBA that allows a single $3M player (Brook) to be swapped for almost $30M in players (Hedo + D12)? because that sounds impossible
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
But that cap space is why they'd want to do it
Remember the old CBA, when piles of players had to be amassed to make trade match? Remember the trade machine on espn.com?
So those are old rules that do not apply now?
Salaries do not have to match in trades in the new CBA then if this deal is possible
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
by Kendrick Jay on Nov 30, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
if you are under the cap
you never had to match salaries. LBJ and Bosh were traded for picks and Trade Exceptions
I feel like Minny and Boston were both under
When they did the KG for Al + crap deal.
What about with Deron? We were under the cap, I guess Utah wasn’t?
I’m usually the trademeister but this just feels Iike I’m taking crazy pills
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
by Kendrick Jay on Nov 30, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
You can trade into cap space
Old CBA allowed to take on no more than 125% , but if you are under cap it’s now 150%
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Brook plus $24M in cap space
Equals Dwight plus Hedo.
No I get it, i mean if we have a choice of fillers to throw in, don't use those two.
But we should move everything conceivable outside dwill to get it done
Everyone listen up this is the best deal for magic
They trade Dwight now most likely get their own pick in this years draft
They also get 2 first round picks
If we take on Hedo for them and they amnesty arenas they actually have CAP SPACE
This is a good deal
It is the best deal they will get...
If Otis is trading Dwight…he could easily be a Net. But Otis does not have much time to decide.
Bogs needs to step it up
Raise that trade value.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Why he would be good for a team like Orlando
Won’t have to pay him for a while.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
listening to Stephen A Smith on 1050 am right now
I’m hoping he talks NBA soon. ill keep u guys posted for when he does…
He was on with Michael Kaye earlier this evening
They had on Stephen A., and he actually said positive things about both the Nets and the chances of the Nets landing D12. He seemed to think the chances of Dwight landing were 50/50, and if the Magic decide to trade him the Nets would have the best deal. He thought the Clippers would make a solid run at him, but their trade pieces and overall situation (sharing an arena, second fiddle in LA despite Blake Griffin) paled compared to being in BKLYN with Barclays and Deron. No rocket science here, but I was shocked to hear Stephen A. so respectful of the Nets.
I’m a WFAN guy, but Mike had a on an author plugging a book, so I switched to Michael Kaye and Don LaGreca. Shockingly, the duo took a break from laughing and verbally grabassing each other to have a substantive interview.
This kind of handicaps the Nets right now.
I hope there is some kind of window for Orlando to decide because I would imagine handshake deals are going to start going down in the next couple of days for free agency. Wouldn’t want to be sitting here without Dwight or any free agents.
This really is Melo-drama all over again
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Nov 30, 2011 7:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well.......
ChrisMannixSI: Nets don’t want the drama of a high profile pursuit this year, but it’s unavoidable. They want Howard and will do almost anything to get him
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Nov 30, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who's to say that the Magic won't start making phone calls again..
…during the season?
By which point the Nets will inevitably get sucked into this mess again…
Without the cap space...
Other teams have bettter offers.
I dont agree with him
Once we start signing players, what the Nets are able to do is limited. It won’t be like Melo
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
Poor Hump...
Did you guys see this? LOL
Not to mention this
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/dr_drew_calls_kim_kardashian_punch_L3efhWjIN9sdFplfTgTb4H
Dr. Drew called Kim’s love punch of Hump the beginnings of ‘domestic violence’
Sheesh. Glad to see he’s lawyered up and going after her.
I hope we trade James or Bogdonovic As throw ins instead Of Brooks
If we had Deron at the point, Hedo shooting 3’s & D12 underneath Marshon would be the ultimate weapon as a slasher with tons of open space
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
by Kendrick Jay on Nov 30, 2011 7:27 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Haha, sorry
Hard to keep up, these threads multiply faster then Antonio Cromartie
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
by Kendrick Jay on Nov 30, 2011 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
doesnt Orlando have another player that plays in europe?
that they’ve been keeping his rights too? could of sworn his name was Franz or something like that…
Fran Vasquez
and I want his rights. Very athletic, 6’11". The “oop” to Rubio’s “alley”.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Nov 30, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah isnt he already 28 years old and he signed another long term deal
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
sounds like a Lakers-type move
I like it as it fits our global image too.
I was listening to M Kay on the radio on my way home, most aggrevating thing in the world
1) they were saying how BK will never compare to the Garden.
2) they were going on about CP3 coming to the Knicks, but then derailed the convo saying the knicks are better off getting Dwight because he too would love to be there…
What made me the most mad was how them trying to talk ball and i kept hearing BrookS (Lopez) instead of Brook Lopez…and then Kay is going how he would set the lineup he said DH is really a PF but would put him at C to move stat to PF…C’MON MAN! Dont know jack about basketball, please stop feeding you delusional knick listeners with this garbage. Stick to baseball.
Knicks Line Up:
CP3
Shumpert
Melo
Stat
DH
woah they are going to be stacked
by RandyOreens on Nov 30, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Send Kay an email with this pic
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hahah
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 30, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
An easy way to avoid being aggravated is to never listen to Kay.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Michael K(g)ay is the worst thing o the radio since…well he’s the worst ever. When talking hoops that is. Just putrid.
by Special_Delivery on Nov 30, 2011 10:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If we trade for D12 now...
would we be able to offer him a better contract at the end of the season if the deal isnt an extend and trade?
by jackbauerwillsmashurface on Nov 30, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions
Pretty odd that he mentioned Morrow...
Maybe Deron and he have already mapped this out.
DWill on point...Dwight by the basket...Hedo in the corner waiting for a 3 pt shot..Brooks running around screens looking for the ball..
and whoever at the 4
this is going to be a tough team…
by soul driver on Nov 30, 2011 7:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
we're not going to wake you up
Believe!
by faNETicS on Nov 30, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I am glad the Nets and Knicks are chasing separate players this time instead the same one.
I would not be able to take the biased NY Media swearing the player signing with the knicks and we have no choice…
To be honest they think
Its christmas Knicks can just pick who they want Deron,CP3, or D-12.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
by Atronic on Nov 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seems like everyone has the Knicks are a Dwight front runner
Despite the 100% lack of logic
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
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Nets will open Brooklyn coming off 20-25 win season.
"They'll win 35 minimum" vincecarter4pres 11/29/11
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
I tried my best not to be a troll on the magic board, but, wow, they all seem to think they should be getting lebron james or blake griffin in return. Most even said they preferred any 2 from gasol, odom and bynum so that they would “stay in contention”
And the interview with Otis story only has 16 comments
Say what you want about our fan base, but we whoop all others in both loyalty and engagement.
We just lack optimism
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah saw that
D-howard story said the Nets will move to Brooklyn in 2013 instead of 2012.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I read that too. Loved how the guy tried to correct you, and then thought he was insulting you by calling you “nets fan”….they’re mad
lol just read that
“Calm down Nets fan”
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
just talked to my friend who is an orlando fan
he doesn’t like the original trade but would be okay with it if it was
Lopez, D.James, Farmar 2 First round picks
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 7:47 PM EST reply actions
thats not fair at all lol..bro we have to give up first rounders in any trade scenario for dwight...
So you're not going to trade for Dwight Howard
Because you want to keep one of James or Farmar. What?
in a heart beat...would rather insert Bog instead of James, but would do that right away...ask your friend where we should sign?
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
if only it were that easy!
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think I would rather keep Bog.
by OTRWaldo on Nov 30, 2011 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Farmar? Dealbreaker
He’s our lynchpin for the Israeli market.
J/k. I’d do it in a second.
by brother_rat on Nov 30, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I would throw in James and Brooks...
And take back bass if it made Smith pull the trigger.
DWil/Morrow/Hedo/Bass/Dwight
Gaines/Farmer/JWil/Petro
I’ll take it!
I'm down with that. Along with Lopez and the picks, I suspect we will have to include 1 or 2 other young players
I hope that we hold on to Morrow and Brooks, but I have a feeling that least one of them will be thrown in. Oh well I certainly wouldn’t lose sleep over it…
by SovietBrooklyn on Nov 30, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like farmar will REALLY thrive once he gets a starting spot. The guy can flat our ball when given the chance. He’s more of a combo guard than a point guard, but a lot of people don’t realize he topped the 20 assist mark in one of our games when he started. I actually prefer to keep him, and give away James. We can use him for another deal with a team in need of a pg.
this is true
he is waiting in the shadows to be the first one to break the news that we have sweetened the offer and it is agreed in principle…duh
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Won is like
“These fools can jump all over these rumors. I’ll wait till Dwight texts me…”
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Haha you both are right
WOJ is the best follow for NBA fans…guys pretty solid
saw Woj last night in NY
he was a surprise guest at the Basketball Jones podcast. unfortunately he refused to leak anything juicy.
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
wht TBJ was in NY last night?
wish they would come down south, i try and watch their stuff everyday
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Tyson Chandler, the free agent center who helped Dallas win the NBA title last spring, is "interested’’ in the Nets, according to someone familiar with his thinking. The person did not wish to be identified because he is not authorized to speak for Chandler.
Chandler, and Denver’s Nene, are perhaps the Nets’ two biggest targets in free agency, as GM Billy King said the team will be targeting big men as its No. 1 priority. Currently, Jordan Williams — who isn’t even signed — is the only power forward on the roster. The team might look to bring back Kris Humphries depending on how it goes with their other targets.
Lower on the priority list is a small forward, and Thaddeus Young, a restricted free agent from Philadelphia, is believed to be on King’s wish list. King did admit today he is interested in some restricted free agents, in addition to unrestricted free agents. But with restricted free agents, teams will have three days to match an offer sheet submitted by a rival team interested in signing that player. And with an abbreviated free agency period — at the moment, the plan is for free agency to begin Dec. 9, the same day day that training camps are expected to open — it might be risky for a team to sign a player to an offer sheet and have to wait three days to learn whether it will get him or not.
Players are probably going to be signing left and right in the first hours of free agency, so If the Nets were to sign a restricted free agent, and the player’s original team matched the offer, the three-day matching period may end up costing the Nets a shot at an alternative free agent.
colin stephenson
Chandler wants in…Lets go
I like a Chandler/Lopez combo as much as Dwight
Chandler reminds me of Kmart in his play. Does he only do Center or PF as well?
I didn't want to do it but I'm playing 2k12 with
Dwight in a Net jersey vs. NY.
Dwight Howard \ Johan Petro
Andrei Kirelinko \ Jordan Williams
Hedo Turkoglu \ Damion James
Anthony Morrow \ Marshon Brooks
Deron Williams \ Jordan Farmar \ Sundiata Gaines
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
it feels like Andrei can't guard Amare.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Who cares
Dwight stuffs him in the paint while Melo watches and cries while Isiah tries to comfort him
by bronxbombers2 on Nov 30, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
yup Andrei can't guard this guy.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
We really may get Dwight Howard...
This is crazy!!!
Thank goodness Denver GM isn’t typical.
Your not missing anything
After the commercial break he is going to tell us how Deron can become a NY KNick. I turned it off.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
He just said
“Even though The NJ Nets can offer him more money than any other team, that doesn’t mean he couldn’t be a New York Knick….if he really wanted to. Oh yeah, I’ll tell you how after the break”
NONSENSE!!!
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and that was about DERON WILLIAMS!!,
As Amy Winehouse said, “what kind of f***ery is this?”
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
I just almost went Dwight/Van Gogh mode
and cut my ears off.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
IF he wants to
that’s the key word.
Which is actually true … for ANY players.
Believe!
by faNETicS on Nov 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Increase my probability to 51% on Dwight becoming a Net
Orlando is in absolute cap hell with no chance to improve. Smith’s only way out of salary cap hell is the Nets deal. The Lakers deal doesn’t help. Odom is gone. Gasol is way overpaid and 31 and Bynum is an injury risk that is not locked up long-term.
The Bulls deal spends a ton of dough on noah and Deng for years to come.
No offer is even close to the Nets unless Miami offers Wade or James.
Dwight and Deron are opening Brooklyn!
Oh no, here we go...
Stephen A getting Knick homer on us
He just went full knicks homer.
Kinda like how that saying goes in Tropic Thunder…never go full
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
talking kaka
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
He is going to talk about how he is a better option for the Knicks than Paul.
Seriously.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
People don't realize that Turk would b included in this deal
He could be the stretch 4
actually hes talking
Dwill to the knicks..
speaking before you think can have severe consequences, however doing it in reverse can have beautiful results!
by Mike28Live on Nov 30, 2011 8:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Because they do not care about us.
Period.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
They will when we're whooping they ass up and down MSG and Barclaysy
Year after year after year after year…
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
They're playing defense, that's way
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
When will they understand
they do not have assets and then they will have to convince these superstars to leave as much as 40 million on the table. They ignore this completely.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
he's talking drill cp3 and dwight to NY Knicks
CMON MAN!!!!!!!! you know why? cause all these listeners are Knicks fans, he’s keeping them tuned in listening giving his show higher ratings. Just the way we feel about NYK getting our players they feel the same way if they hear ppl backing the nets…if he talk about nets getting them, they will turn off the radio. lol
Yes, it's media
I don’t know why anyone expects anything different. It will take 15 years (my guess) before the Brooklyn Nets are fully integrated into NY sports.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Yup
Thatll be 15 years of kids growing up with the Nets, knowing them as a NY team.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Okay.
That is understandable.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Steven A Smith
Not even mentioning Howard to Nets.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
by Top Whodi on Nov 30, 2011 8:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Duh money and duh mecca , Stephen A Cracks me up
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
If you got the money and you got the mecca
someone is gonna say yes. C’mon Steven..you moron
Brooklyn we go hard...
Okay not literally
But if it was possible to do such a thing through a microphone
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
i think figuratively is the word you are looking for
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Just wondering.
If Stephen A. and all these NY media types bother you guys all so much, why do you listen to them?
They’re really not worth it.
As for this Dwight thing, I hope he comes to the Nets, but I learned my lesson from the Melodrama. I won’t believe it until I see him in a Nets Uni or at a press conference.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
by Maxyboy on Nov 30, 2011 8:24 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
"Who do you want, New York?"
“Chris Paul? Dwight Howard? Deron Williams? Right now it seems like Chris Paul is the most interested, but when you have NY…and the Mecca…you can have your pick of the litter.”
OH MY GOD!!!!!
this just sums up the sense of entitlement and superiority complex of New York City
at the expense of all logic. Really, the mecca is worth a $40 million pay cut? give me a freakin break
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Knicks are getting everyone
Chris Paul
Deron
Melo
Amare
Dwight
by RandyOreens on Nov 30, 2011 8:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Clearly it's possible!!!
They’re all going to take 3 million dollars a year contracts. Don’t forget Blake will ditch the Clippers to play 6th man on the Knicks!!!
PG- Paul
SG – Deron
SF – Melo
PF – Amare
C – Dwight
10 CHAMPIONSHIPS IN DA GARDEN
by Ccrules2791 on Nov 30, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah dude
67-0
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
by netsareboss on Nov 30, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Stephen A on first take. But he reall is unbearrable on his radio show. Never heard such biased opinions in my beautiful France….
He's playing to his market.
He says what NY fans want to hear. I can’t blame the man for trying to get higher ratings.
New Yorkers just want to believe everyone will come to their team. Until it is absolutely impossible, they will want to hear about it.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
three different guys on espn today
saying they think the nets are the best fit but it comes down to where dwight wants to go.
melo part 2. call me when it’s over.
Now we are talking about a legit player.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
"Not IF, but WHEN Chris Paul is a Knick"
If a Nets fan came on and said “WHEN Dwight Howard is a Net, not IF” they would be taken off the air.
Ludicrous.
I think it's fine.
someone go call him and say stop talking about the knicks....and talk about the nets
Dwight or bust....
Superbowl or bust...
by D-Will2Nets on Nov 30, 2011 8:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOLLLLL
CP3 or Dwill
Shumpert
Melo
Stat
DH
Phil Jackson coacing….
Knicks fans must have a genie with unlimited wishes…
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 8:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Im speechless.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
According to Steven A, it's his long-desired dream job...
Good Lord, no wonder their fans are delusional
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Willy Wonka is going to pour chocolate from their new bridge during timeouts...NYK got it all
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They think they are God's gift to the basketball world.
They really do.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bucher
watched sc and he’s convinced dwight’s goin to warm weather city like LA. more specifically: the Clippers
I though his "gut" said Dallas like 3 hours a go
What a clown.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
He has been so inconsistent.
And not just with this.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
He also said that if he was Dwight, he would go to the Nets.
He’s just reporting what he hears.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Actually, Ric before today was my fav reporter from ESPN.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
that clown changes his mind as often as his underwear
by Andres B on Nov 30, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with Big Tom
None of these guys have a clue what Dwight wants. They change their opinions almost hourly.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the shoutout
They each say something totally different. I agree that they must have no clue and are just throwing guesses out there.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Listening to Steven A. Is like watching The Human Centipede
Im disgusted, confused, and at a loss for how these ideas come into people’s minds…
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I know
But not on his radio show. He’s "Knicks can get anyone they want and either Steven A or John Wooden will coach them!
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
I hate the Knicks
I hate their disgusting media and their deusional and clueless fanbase.
Just needed to say it.
by Andres B on Nov 30, 2011 8:34 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
seriously i hate the knicks
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Nov 30, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
i was reading one comment on espn from a knicks fan who thinks they can get cp3 and D12. idiots
by bbfan5117 on Nov 30, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
anyone who says they root for all NY sports teams is a goon.
Need some D-12
by Mike Viola on Nov 30, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can you root for all NY teams?
Nets and Knicks? Mets and Yankees? Jets and Giants (and Bills)?
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Agreed
anyone who complains about the Knick-bashing on this board must not turn on their tv or check espn.com. it’s impossible not to react back in some way.
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, there's a lot of anger here right now.
How about a fun story.
I saw Brook and Robin this summer.
I’ll bet you can guess where in the first five guesses.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Did you ask why he wasn't working out?
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I wish.
They had this posse of guys surrounding them trying to keep people away.
The funny part is that no one knew who they were not even the employees.
They had to wait in line at the rides.
LMAO.
Brook was actually kind of rude seeing as how I doubt he ever meets an actual Nets fan.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Brook also thought that a backwards hat and sunglasses at night would actually conceal who he was.
So much for being Stanford alums.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Can their tall asses even fit on the rides?
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe that's why Brook doesn't work out.
So he and his brother can fit together on Splash Mountain.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
by Maxyboy on Nov 30, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think I might have seen Billy King in a Philadelphia Starbucks a few weeks ago.
I coulda sworn it was him but the slight degree of uncertainty made me not wanna ask to find out…
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Clips could offer similar deal as Nets with Gordon as the lead...
Then sign Deron in the offseason…let’s hope the sterling factor kicks in.
I think Dwight would much rather play with Deron than Blake, though
You would think he’d prefer to have a great PG over a great big man partner.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight ain't playing for that racist in Kobe's building.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Would you trade BLo for Gordon?
Nets wouldn’t.
by jerry25 on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
clippers wouldn't do that ethier, we all like our players better
and i would be really upset if that trade ocur. Apparently we have resigned Gordon so i guess that takes him out of any offer pre-season. if its not the clippers then i hope you get him.
Question from a foreigner: Nets fans are usually Jets or Giants fans?
by valdu08 on Nov 30, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i'm a jets and yankees fan
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Nov 30, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I see a lot of netsdaily guys over at bigblueview
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Jets fan here. I don’t think theres much consistency
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
cowboys fan
first place cowboys.
by Andrew Flynn on Nov 30, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHA… ha… haha.
did you just say cowboys fan? get outta here
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
by netsareboss on Nov 30, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How Bout Em
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
im a
Jets Nets Mets fan.
ive lived a hard life.
by pope of lofe on Nov 30, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Giants used to play at Yankee Stadium many years ago, while Jets played at Shea (Mets) stadium years ago.
That explains some of the connections.
Jets fan
"Some things you just can't question. Like you can't question why two plus two is four. So don't question it, don't try to look it up. I don't know who made it, all I know is it was put in my head that two plus two is four. So certain things happen. Why does it rain? Why am I so sexy? I don't know." - Shaquille O'Neal
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Nov 30, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
how bout them first place Cowboys
romo and murray to the ’ship
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Giants here!
1 - D. Williams / J. Farmar / S. Gaines
2 - A. Morrow / S. Graham / M. Brooks
3 - T. Outlaw / D.James
4 - K. Humpries / B. Wright / J. Williams
5 - B. Lopez / J. Petro
I heard the Knicks are in talks for Michael Jordan to own a stake of the team.
He always loved MSG.
I think it's fine.
Its not just Stein. Here is what Ric Bucher had to say in ESPN:
Bucher still maintains that Howard would rather go to a warm weather city like Dallas, LAL or Clippers. (I think that is old info).
But then he says that the best choice for Dwight is definitely the Brooklyn Nets.
Basically saying he would be worshiped, and there wouldn’t be the pressure to win a championship.
No pressure to go to finals in 1st year.
After 1st year, Nets would get top players for MLE spot.
With LAL or Dallas, anything but a championship would be a failure.
He would have a chance to make the Barclays known as "the house that Dwight built"
He’d be a BKLN legend with us and could become the best player in franchise history with a chip or two.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
I swear this alleged warm weather bias of NBA players is so ridiculous
They spend most of the season on the road anyway, and if they are in their team’s home city it’s not like they’re outside much.
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
well if there's a deal to be done before the season starts, only 8 more days of this nonsense
less if the CBA is all wrapped up before the 9th.
Chris Broussard
needs to go somewhere, he’s the #1 Nets hater.
NO, he is an opportunist. He goes where the big fan bases are.
They help to keep him on the air, in prime time.
Ric Bucher had the courage to part with what was good for ESPN, by believing LeBron would stay in Cleveland.
Broussard just takes guesses that he thinks will please the general public. Also, if a story is broken by someone who isn’t from ESPN he’ll report it and ESPN will claim he broke it first which is pretty messed up too.
Fire Brian Schottenheimer.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/1000000-Jets-fans-against-Brian-Schottenheimer/104252133024352
Since you guys are talking knicks..
I had a conversation with a good friend before the Giant game on Monday (knick fan). Who must think the knicks are the yankees and basketball is like baseball.
Knick fan: The knicks might get Chris Paul
Me: I don’t see how they can with those two big contracts they have
Knick fan: But they made a toast at a wedding
Me: I can’t see Paul giving up 30-40 million just play with the Knicks
Knick fan: They will make it happen
Knick fan: Nene is a free agent too
Me: I don’t want Nene
Knick Fan: I meant for the Knicks
Me:
It was good for a laugh, but frustrating at the same time.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 8:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You were in the Knicks jersey?
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
Oh. that's what that was!
I was sure he was dressed as a clown.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
the only problem i have with chandler is other than catching alleys, he's a liability on the offensive end
defense is exceptional
Doesn't that make him the perfect fit with Brook?
B-Lo can handle the offense while Chandler gets the defense.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
sure, but me as the other team wouldnt mind doubling lopez in the post and also fouling chandler to make him go to the foul line
with nene opposing teams would have to honor both players in the post
Teams have been doubling Lopez for three years.
It hasn’t stopped him yet,
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
it all boils down to whether you like nene's ability to create more offense or chandlers superb defense
nene’s a good defender, thats y he gets a nudge for me
For me it's not even a question.
Chandler is the 2nd best defensive center in the league.
Without him there is no way the Mavs would have won the finals IMO. Our post defense has been atrocious for years now and Chandler is the only one outside of Howard who could account for Brook’s shortcomings in that area.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
how many games the nets win the last 3 years?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
Defenses will leave him open outside of 12 feet
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 30, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I like both
But I think Tyson Chandler is perfect for Brook Lopez
Brooklyn we go hard...
by Fabio Villani on Nov 30, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Deron is a better shooter than CP3...
and a better player too.
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 30, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Uh
*involving the Knicks.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Question about bringing salary back
I don’t post that much, but enjoy reading all your comments. I thought I read that one change in the new CBA was that teams under the cap could make trades bringing back 150% of the amount they traded. First of all, does anybody know if this is correct?
If true, then according to ESPN, Dwight makes $18m, Turk makes $11m and Gilbert makes $19m. That totals $48m.
If the Nets really want to blow away other offers, could they offer Farmar ($4m), Petro ($3m) a cuttable S. Graham ($1m), Lopez ($3m), which adds up to $11m + the $23m they have in space for a total of $34m for Dwight, Turk and Gilbert? 150% of $34m is $51m.
If this was possible (and I have no idea if it is), we might be able to trade one less pick.
Then, could we use the second level amnesty to amnesty Gilbert over time (waive him and spread his contract over number of contract years +1)?
We would save the Magic a ton of money. I know they could just amnesty Gilbert or Turk, and from a cap space it would be fine, but it would cost them either $60m or $30m in real money, depending on which one they amnesty.
Orlando would have to Amnesty Arenas themselves under any scenario.
Nets may have closer to 25 million in cap space after amnestying Outlaw, because they could sign (and bonus) our draft picks (especially MarShon) after free agency. Once reach 12 players, no cap hold.
Stephen A. Smith
will say something pro-Nets after the tour of Barclays and then do a show tonight totally pro-Knicks. I think it’s a contrivance — keeps his show from getting boring. If he said the same thing every night, it’d be boring and his ratings would drop.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Why is Netsdaily so addictive?
Due dates on papers are getting here.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
another quote
from Daughtry:
“in regards of who can offer the most. NETS have it head and shoulders over the Knicks”
Nets Trade for Dwight Howard this season.
Sign D-Will, D-12, And CP3?! LOL
This is an interesting quote from an article someone posted in another thread.
One source close to Williams, for example, says it’s unlikely that the New Jersey Nets’ point guard would consider signing with the Mavericks unless he was joining both Nowitzki and Chandler. The Mavs’ counter is that, with Nowitzki and Chandler on the books, they won’t have enough money to sign Williams outright and would be forced to rely on striking a complicated sign-and-trade arrangement.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
Yes, that is the Dallas dilemma.
That is why Chandler doesn’t think Dallas will re-sign him for more than 1 year.
Cuban may change his thinking in the end, and give up on DWill and keep Chandler.
eric gordon
reported to be signing an extension with Clips. Guess this takes him out as a trade chip for D12. what other pieces do they have to trade now?
no, it makes him more attractive in my POV.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
It can work both ways
Magic want Cap space too.
Gordon locked in deal also helps Magic but screws cap space depending on how much money clippers have available.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
Since Nets-Dwight discussion is at an all-time high.
I request that you guys follow my Dwight2Brooklyn Facebook and Twitter pages. I set them up some time back and update them frequently.
Links are in the signature.
I actually like this short FA blitz...
First, it puts more pressure to make a deal quick and second, it would not affect the players too much when hearing the news that they are being dangled. Plus, i think BK, with that statement, is playing his cards straight that if they dont make a deal now, he would not keep forcing it, even though we all know that is not the case. He would really love to get DH.
by iJoon on Nov 30, 2011 11:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I want Dwight as well but my fellow Nets fans please dont reach. I mean who brush off the Clippers as if they are no threat claiming ‘bad owner’, ‘second fiddle’ or whatever…
Clippers are a real threat and are the most likely to land Dwight to various reasons. I dont wanna hear that stuff about the owner being bad. You think Dwight cares? He has the potential to team up with another superstar (Paul or Deron) along with a borderline superstar (Griffin) while also going to his preferred city, a warm climate, and allowing ORL to get maximum compernsation for him.
Clippers make too much sense.
by WR3 on Nov 30, 2011 11:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think he cares
He doesn’t wanna share an arena. When you play for a bad owner, your team can become the Dodgers very very quickly and the owner doesn’t go out and try to put a better product on the court year in and year out.
he wont share he'll make it his place
think people will be caring about 35 year old kobe when Dwight, CP3, and Griffin are tearing up the league in the same building?
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding me? What better product than CP3+Griffin+Dwight? Its not like Sterling is a fool. Thats a gold mine right there. Three of the top 10 most marketable superstars in the league possibly top 5? Sterling would not get in the way of that.
Sterling may be what he is. However at the end of the day you think Dwight would pass up the opportunity of playing with such star power just cuz the owner is a racist or whatever?.. if there was any other other team that afforded Dwight everything he wants i would not see the Clippers as a threat.
However, LA, warm climate, great winning potential, great deal for ORL. out of conference.. too many advantages over us to ignore
WOW. totally did not consider that they’d have enough cap space for cp3. CP3 – Griffin – Howard is much much better than Wade – Lebron – Bosh. Yikes. Great point.
I am not so sure about that.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Dec 1, 2011 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
The Nets
Had the cap space to sign LeBron and Wade, and that didn’t happen now did it?
CP3 will get traded this season, and if he goes to the Clippers there’s no way Dwight goes there as well unless they get rid of Blake which isn’t happening.
The Nets had the space as well as better teams. Like i said if there was any other teams that afforded Dwight the same situation i wouldnt be so sure he will be a Clipper. For example if the Lakers had the same situation or Dallas.. he would go to one of them easily. However the Clippers are sitting too pretty with great assets and a great location/market.
Also what do you mean if they get Paul there is no way they get Dwight? If anything that would make it a certainty! Remember that these players can control where they go for the most part. It wouldnt even come to that thou
DeAndre Jordan+Minny ’12 first rounder+ Aminu+ Filler gets Dwight
Eric Gordon+Eric Bledsoe+ picks gets CP3
No...
Orlando will get a better deal than Jordan a pick and Aminu plus filler. Jordan and Aminu are role players at best, and only 1 draft pick? Yeah right that’s a joke man.
Eric Gordon and Bledsoe? Geez do you think the Clippers have all-star everywhere? The Hornets will get better offers as well.
Minnesota pick in 2012… that in itself is a hell of an asset! Role players? They are young players! So its ok to call Brooks and James assets cuz they are young with potential but DeAndre Jordan and Aminu are jokes cuz they seem like role players at best at this early stage of their careers?
Eric Gordon IS an all star caliber player. Eric Bledsoe is a young, athletic pg that is full of potential.
Not to mention that the Clippers have much more. I was just throwing out an example
Also lets pretend for a sec that LAC only has enough to land ONE of Dwight or Paul.. you dont see the other one holding out to sign with them in 2012?
CP3 has already been reported to be amenable to the Clippers, and Dwight has been wanting Hollywood from the beginning
People are overrating that Minny 2012 pick
What if that pick isn’t a top 3 pick? What if it’s the 7th or 10th? No one’s gonna trade a superstar for an unknown commodity without getting another surefire awesome thing back. This Clippers with Paul and Dwight thing is impossible, it HINGES on the idea that the Minny pick is a top 3 pick. But if it’s not? The whole thing falls apart.
you think minnesota is going to finish out of the top 4 next year?
I guess rubio is going to win ROY and Love is going to learn how to play defense and beasley will lay off the weed
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see why it's impossible for them to be better than say 5 or more other teams
Are the Wizards really gonna be better than them for sure? The Raptors? The Cavs? The Pistons? etc etc.
No one is trading Dwight for an unknown commodity. Even if the Wolves are in the bottom 4, you don’t know how high or low that pick is. And even then, is that the best they can do? C’mon.
you think Dwight would pass up the opportunity of playing with such star power just cuz the owner is a racist?
When Sterling first bought the Ardmore, he remarked on its odor to Davenport. “That’s because of all the blacks in this building, they smell, they’re not clean,” he said, according to Davenport’s testimony. “And it’s because of all of the Mexicans that just sit around and smoke and drink all day.” He added: “So we have to get them out of here.” Shortly after, construction work caused a serious leak at the complex. When Davenport surveyed the damage, she found an elderly woman, Kandynce Jones, wading through several inches of water in Apartment 121. Jones was paralyzed on the right side and legally blind. She took medication for high blood pressure and to thin a clot in her leg. Still, she was remarkably cheerful, showing Davenport pictures of her children, even as some of her belongings floated around her.
Jones had repeatedly walked to the apartment manager’s office to plead for assistance, according to sworn testimony given by her daughter Ebony Jones in the Housing Rights Center case. Kandynce Jones’ refrigerator dripped, her dishwasher was broken, and her apartment was always cold. Now it had flooded. Davenport reported what she saw to Sterling, and according to her testimony, he asked: “Is she one of those black people that stink?” When Davenport told Sterling that Jones wanted to be reimbursed for the water damage and compensated for her ruined property, he replied: “I am not going to do that. Just evict the bitch.”
Repairs never came. The shower stopped working, and the toilet wouldn’t flush; Jones needed to use a plunger and disposed of waste tissue in bags.
Kandynce Jones departed the home she loved but that caused her so much grief when she passed away, on July 21, 2003, at age 67.
http://deadspin.com/5817508/stories-that-dont-suck-sportsfeats-guide-to-schmuck-owners
Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has taken to heckling Clippers guard Baron Davis during games over his play and conditioning, according to a Yahoo! Sports report…“Of course he does it,” a source close to the Clippers told ESPNLA.com. “He’s done it to a lot of guys. This is nothing new, he’s been doing it for years.”
In particular, the source said, center Chris Kaman has borne the brunt of Sterling’s taunts.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5915935
During this same period, players Sam Cassell, Elton Brand and Corey Maggette complained to me that DONALD STERLING would bring women into the locker room after games, while the players were showering, and make comments such as, ‘Look at those beautiful black bodies.’ I brought this to Sterling’s attention, but he continued to bring women into the locker room."
HE’S NOT GOING TO THE CLIPPERS
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
by GMJigga on Dec 1, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What does any of this have to do with Dwight's ability to succeed there?
Dwight has a few things that he is looking for. Owner integrity was not one of the reported ones. Winning was one, climate was another, Hollywood was another, big market is another, doesnt wanna be the bad guy like Lebron so he wants to make sure ORL gets compensation, he wants to play with Deron or CP3…
by WR3 on Dec 1, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions
Does he want to team up with CP2 and Griffin to dominate the league?
by WR3 on Dec 1, 2011 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
Griffin would have to be included in trade to Orlando.
Otherwise, Nets deal is better for Orlando.
No he doesnt. Griffin definitely doesnt have to be included. Clipper are to asset deep. Lots of fans here are in such denial about this citing bs reasons; owner? second fiddle? Pleeeasse…. Dwight wants to win. No team affords him everything he wants like LAC.
Gordon+D. Jordan+ take back Hedo ALREADY is better than the Nets entire offer.. so why would Griffn need to be included?
by WR3 on Dec 1, 2011 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Because that is what Orlando said.
And if Dwight would rather play with DWill, then that is that.
And full Nets package is better for a rebuilding team. Other Nets players like Morrow, DJames, Farmar and rights to Bojan would probably be included.
link?
And stop it. It doesnt matter who you include. We cant outbid LAC asset for asset. Even if you wanna fool yourself that Lopez is some cant miss talent that trumps anything LAC has (laughable), LAC still has much more than us to throw in the pot.
Not to mention that unlike us the Clippers arent under pressure to spend their cap space so they could take back Hedo at any point till the deadline.
For Dwight Howard?
You’re telling me, I could have Brook Lopez but I’d rather have the 14th pick?
That is totally insane. The 2012 draft is strong, but that doesn’t mean everyone in the top 10 is gonna be an allstar.
I dont think you understand how deep this draft is.. and #14 is just me thinking worst case scenario for the purpose of the argument.
That pick will be more in the 6-10 range
by WR3 on Dec 1, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
And is the 6-10 range worth someone like Howard?
Just because a draft is deep doesn’t mean it’s littered with Durants and LeBrons. It just means there are many quality players, not superstars.
Is Terrence Jones really gonna be worth Howard?
Jeremy Lamb? John Henson? Those guys are all great but they’re not by any measure some sort of lock to make even one single allstar game.
In fact, outside of Anthony Davis, there’s no surefire thing. Everyone else could just be a good player, but never a star. Even Barnes, even Drummond. Unless it’s the number 1 overall pick, is that really enough?
You are reaching. When we traded Favors it was just off of potential. Do you think Utah knows for sure he will be an all star?
1-14 the potetial of most of those guy is equal to that of Favors. Of course they might not pan out. Thats the risk you take when your dealing with young guys.
DeAndre Jordan is their replacement for Dwight and they get a probable top pick in 2012
Thats a coup
That is in no way a coup. It's a coup for the Clippers, not the Magic
No way the Magic would settle for anything that doesn’t include Eric Gordon. What the Clippers wanna do to get Paul is none of their concern, if you have Eric Gordon to give and you aren’t, then they wouldn’t even talk to them
I guess i can agree with this although i still think your undervaluing the Minnesota pick but w/e lets include Grodon in there for arguments sake. If they trade Kaman to a team looking for an expiring for a young guy or good pick or even to the Hornets themselves + Aminu, Bledsow, their new rookie, and more picks that could get Paul if Paul demands the Clippers.
If not they can just sign him.
Admit it. The Clippers are just in better position than us.
by WR3 on Dec 1, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
LOL no
Kaman Aminu Bledsoe does NOT get CP3 I’m sorry, that’s a joke.
Just sign him? You act like nobody is allowed to trade with the Hornets but the Clippers.
Your acting like if he wants to play with Dwight NO has much choice. Not to mention that i has already been speculated that NO will NOT trade CP3 no matter what.
Also food for thought.. At the same young age Tyson and Nene scored roughly the same as DeAndre Jordan but D. Jordan is a more advanced defender at the same stage
Kid has potential
by WR3 on Dec 1, 2011 5:41 AM EST up reply actions
This is what I think is happening..
King, after seeing the effect of the Melo circus on his team last year, approaches Smith with this offer immediately. He is sure to include taking on Hedo, and specifies that this offer is only on the table for a week, because he needs to use that cap space to sign free agents if there is no deal.
Smith knows he isn’t bluffing.. Man needs to keep Deron! That puts the pressure on Orlando. Other than the Clippers (lol), none of the other teams Dwight wants to play for has the cap space to offer anything similar. Would Otis Smith really pin his hopes on Dwight warming up to the L.A. Clippers?
I’m guessing right now they’re going back and forth, with Billy trying to unload Petro in the deal, and Otis trying to grab Marshon.
For once, I don’t feel like a homer for saying Dwight might really be here… soon!
An offer of Lopez & picks will be there until the Trade Deadline
Smith knows this & King can’t deny it. The difference is that our ability to take on Hedo & provide massive immediate cap space goes away. If Smith waits, he’ll wind up having to take Farmar & Petro for Turk. That’s still a massive cost savings, but not immediate cap relief.
The Biggest Joke about all this is
the reports by THESE SO CALLED NBA REPORTERS
have been moronic. The idea of putting the CLIPPERS over the NETS is absurd and really idiotic.
Who is the biggest JOKE franchise is now the question.
Clippers
1) Owner is JOKE -
2) Renting a Stadium – Great business move but totally against what these players are all about and you are not only second fiddle to Lakers but you are not even the landlord.
3) ALL Players find a way leave the franchise. Griffin and Gordon might not do it but Remember what Brand did to Baron Davis.
4) Owner is a JOKE – he belittle his best player at the time calling him FAT.
5) FO is always a question. What happened to Dunleavy again?
Nets
1) Yes were only won 12 games
2) Yes we are second fiddle to the NY knicks
3) Owner maybe on the bad end of jokes because of 2010 but he is a risk taker and is willing to spend to WIN.
4) We are NO Longer RENTERS – We have our own BRAND NEW stadium.
5) Players didnt lilke NJ but they werent running away for dear life – Kidd didnt have to re-sign. KMart was a greedy bastard.
6) Our past FO has been great, but now We have better FO.
These reporters are really inept. To actually imply that the Clippers have a better shot at Howard is not only stupid it is senseless.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
The Clippers have
1)Blake Griffin
2)DeAndre Jordan
3)Eric Gordon
Keep Griffin, trade the other 2 for Howard and Williams
by Chris3035 on Dec 1, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
throw in aminu, kaman, and minnesota's unprotected pick this year if you want
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Dec 1, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka and Harden for Dwight Howard
Russell Westbrook, Sefalosha and draft picks for Deron Williams
The Clippers will offer Jordan and Gordan
by Chris3035 on Dec 1, 2011 12:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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