King: Howard Story a Surprise; Smith: Won't Rule Out D-12 Deal
by Net Income on Nov 30, 2011 1:07 PM EST
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PrintIn a radio interview with Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts Wednesday (billed as a talk with "the man who has a man crush on Dwight Howard"), Billy King denied he has had discussions with the Magic or its GM, Otis Smith, in months, but declined to discuss any interest in Howard. He later reiterated that with beat writers.
King said his first reaction to the ESPN story was to check the CBA (which has yet to be finalized or ratified) to see if the trade proposed would even work.
Bottom line, said King, when asked if the rumors re: Howard would become another Melo Drama: "It won't continue. The circus-like atmosphere surrounding last year...it won't happen."
Meanwhile, in Orlando, Magic GM Otis Smith said he wants to keep Howard, but would not rule out trading him. "You have to make the best decision of what’s in the best interests of the franchise," Smith told the Orlando Sentinel. "That’s how I’ve always went about it: to make the best decision that’s in the best interests of the Orlando Magic".
The Nets GM was optimistic about the Nets chances of retaining Deron Williams, saying that he feels good about both their relationship and his future with the team.
He added, "I have three guys who are coming back in game shape", meaning his three overseas point guards, D-Will, Jordan Farmar and Sundiata Gaines, who played 40+ games in Europe. King also said he likes both Kris Humphries and Brandan Wright, but "I gotta see where money is being spent and what's left,"
- Billy King Interview (Audio) - Evan Roberts & Joe Benigno
- King Talks Basketball, Brook, Trade Rumors and Avoiding a Circus Atmosphere - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone
- Nets GM says trade talks won't be 'circus' like last year - Fred Kerber - New York Post Nets Blog
- Nets GM Billy King denies Dwight Howard trade rumors - AP
- Nets GM Billy King issues strong denial of trade talks for Dwight Howard - Colin Stephenson - Nets Blast
- Nets GM Billy King addresses media on Deron Williams, free agency, other matters - Colin Stephenson - Nets Blast
- Billy King: Forget waiting for another star, "our goal is to be successful now." - Stefan Bondy - The InterNets
- Nets wants Deron Williams, big man - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- Why do the Nets want D-12? Stats! - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- Orlando Magic GM Otis Smith wants to keep Dwight Howard but won't rule out trade if necessary - Josh Robbins - Orlando Sentinel
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Yeah right
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
Why my post was moved to second?????
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
Blame Avery!!!
Nets will open Brooklyn coming off 20-25 win season.
"They'll win 35 minimum" vincecarter4pres 11/29/11
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
He couldn't.
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
Yormark pitching pron in a bottle
Nets will open Brooklyn coming off 20-25 win season.
"They'll win 35 minimum" vincecarter4pres 11/29/11
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
alright, this one made me laugh
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
pron?
porn?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 30, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I was locked out
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
King is such a little liar
But I think regardless there will be a trade, King loves trades and he is good at them aswell.
If Billy could
He would trade for a college player.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
i like his attitude
We won’t be getting Dwight. The Nets will look else where which is great
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Give it a rest already dude
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Nov 30, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 14 recs
get those emotions under control
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Get your copy and paste under control
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 13 recs
lmao
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
You think that was real? Of course they're going to make an attempt at acquiring Dwight Howard...
Please, any GM who doesn’t at least try should be fired.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
of course then they will move on
As I said I love his attitude. King wants to win. It won’t stop with dwight. They will move on by next Friday.
Let’s go nets
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Absolutely
I’ve said from the beginning I prefer to take the calculated risk. I’m a big fan of Nene and think he could really make the Nets a much better team.
We all continue to neglect two things 1) Deron Williams will spend a full, finally healthy year in New Jersey; 2) Lopez is 23 and will only get better.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I TAKE GREAT OFFENCE COS I'M THE MOST PESSIMISTIC NETS FAN EVER
Nets will open Brooklyn coming off 20-25 win season.
"They'll win 35 minimum" vincecarter4pres 11/29/11
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Playa Haters of The Year
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
you actually are though
I’ve yet to see you post a positive comment
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
The news was that the Nets are preparing an offer.
Not that they have talked.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not a single article says the Nets and Magic have spoken
Only that the Nets are “preparing” a package. Any idea that he’s lying or denying isn’t true.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Nov 30, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bobby Mamrks may have spoken to their assistant GM :)
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
The timing for this to come out...
It was definitely a calculated move
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
It's dumb interviewing
If the reports are that the Nets are preparing to offer a package, Evan and Joe should have asked, “Billy, are you preparing to offer a package?” not “Have you spoken?” Interviewing 101.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Why are we mad at Billy King for not revealing everything?
Do we want him to splash his gameplan to the entire world?
by muwu on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Because Nets fans have lost their patience
That’s why we are all on this thread right now.
by BrooklynNets on Nov 30, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Lost their patience ?
More like lost their minds if they think Billy is going to reveal his real intentions on WFAN today…
by M I K E on Nov 30, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed
But we do all reek of desperation for something big to happen
by BrooklynNets on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's easy to avoid revealing anything when you have Joe and Evan asking imprecise questions like they did.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
To be fair, they were direct with most of the questions
I’m just talking about Dwight Howard, they were very loose.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
LOL, we never learned
C’mon guys, don’t expect to get ANYTHING from these interviews until the trade deadline.
Believe!
by faNETicS on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Premature
Orlando is trying to retain and add season ticket holders. Ownership perspective isn’t exactly always for the greater good of the organization.
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
Billy is such a liar in interviews
On a related note, I don’t believe his D-Will trade story for ONE SECOND.
Yeah, I’m sure it took ONE phone call with Utah and OUT OF THE BLUE Kevin O’Connor was like, “You know what? How’d you like Deron?”
BEE ESS
I thought it's just me
Never believed that either. I’m sure they’ve talked before and planned what to say in the media.
But who cares … that’s their job.
Believe!
I believe that they spoke about AK47 first
But don’t believe Deron’s name didn’t come up until right after the Melo trade fell through.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
At best you can say he equivocates rather than lies.
I have no problem with it, though.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
AMAZING...
isn’t it fascinating how when BK became our GM almost everyone had a negative reaction…now (since the surprise DWill trade) everyone expects miracles from the guy… I say just let the guy do his job …leave him alone and believe me he will change this franchise and put us where we belong…in the playoffs again
by trippy on Nov 30, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Yep
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why are none of my links working?
ESPN reports that B level issues like age limit do not have enough time to be negotiated. League will likely retain the 19 year old age minimum for at least first two years of CBA.
One option is to give financial incentives to players based on how much time they spend in school.
by BrooklynNets on Nov 30, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
financial incentive?
If you’re going to be a top pic, you’ll recover the difference in no time.
Not sure how that works.
Believe!
It would be a second variable to rookie contracts
You start with the new rookie pay scale by draft slot. Then you have a couple of options:
1) either, increase the base salary by increments for each year in college
2) allow those who stayed in college to reach free agency quicker
League is already doing the second option with stars on rookie contracts.
by BrooklynNets on Nov 30, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Still ...
Assuming two players, a rookie and a sophomore, both picked as #1 thus same base on their rookie salary scale contracts. The second year player would still have earned more after his second year. By the time the salaries catch up, the senior will now be a free agent.
Believe!
Of course
That’s why it will be an incentive. It might not make a difference for some of the stars, but it definitely will encourage players to stay an extra year, try to move up in the draft, and earn a little more. In the long term, it usually behooves players to play at least two years in college and enter the game with more mature bodies. Provided they can last in the league, they will be able to play more years on a veterans contract as players who enter the league later tend to play more seasons. For mediocre players that might only have their rookie contract, it would make that singular contract larger.
Overall, it would be great for college basketball, the NBA, and the players if they could effectively push the minimum age to 20 or even 21.
by BrooklynNets on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Heres's my summary. It's not word for word, but I was writing it as the interview was happening.
The only interesting bit was about Deron. But otherwise he acted like an intern just e-mailed him a copy of the CBA five minutes before the interview.
Q: Save cap room or use it?
"Waiting to see all the finalized details of the the CBA to do it right. Started talking to agents today."
Q: Isn’t it pretty much the same rules?
"Not going to comment."
Q. How important is it to win now to convince Deron to extend?
"When we made the trade, of course winning became that much more of a priority. But our goal was to always win. It’s not just for Deron, it for the fans."
Q. Spend all of it now or save cap?
"Depends on the players. Spend depending on the value of the guys."
Q. Can you comment on a guy like Tayshaun Prince?
"I can talk about specific guys, but I won’t. Don’t want to tip my hand. I’ll only say we need bigs."
Q. Don’t max out on Nene, please Billy.
"No comment. I’m not going to lay out a strategy with you guys haha. It’s like when you watch an interview with a politician. You can’t say some things."
Q. What about Kris Humphries. Forget the Kim drama, he had a great year. What are you going to do with him?
"I talked to his agent and we discussed him."
Q. How about quality of play in this shortened season? Any concerns?
"The games were great in the 99 lockout since every game counted. I have 3 guys who are coming back in game shape. (Deron, Gaines, Farmar)"
Q. Do you want to comment on Dwight Howard?
"I have not had a convo with Orlando for a year. So to wake up to that is like "wow, okay." I then started looking at the rules this morning to even see how that would work!"
Q. If Deron doesn’t sign the extension right away, will you start to worry and consider trading Deron.
"Absolutely not. I’ve been around him since before the lockout and we feel good about our relationship with him and our future with him."
Q. Will you be using amnesty?
"That’s one of the new rules I haven’t investigated yet."
Q. Billy, you’re working on something big aren’t you.
"Well, we’ve been on the phones and trying to find ways to get better and win."
Q. How come with the lockout lifted, why can’t coaches talk to player.
"Well, you know coaches. If they’re involved it won’t be a voluntary practice. It’ll be a real practice."
Q. Any concern about having a year left in Jersey. Kind of a lame duck.
"Well it’s not like we’re going to Seattle. We’ll still have our team nearby, it’ll just be a little farther for our current fans."
Q. Do you expect a lot of trades before the season starts?
"There will be some, but there’s a lot in this new CBA to digest while also trying to negotiate moves."
Q. If you make that trade for Dwight, I will make a shrine for you in my house.
"Right now I’m focused on getting players and building my roster."
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Is this really true? lol
Q. Don’t max out on Nene, please Billy.
“No comment. I’m not going to lay out a strategy with you guys haha. It’s like when you watch an interview with a politician. You can’t say some things.”
Yeah
Summarized, but yeah. He basically said “You guys know I can’t talk strategy with you.” and used the politician analogy when they kept prodding him.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just found the question funny
Great write up though +1
My dad actually is
its insane, like 200 words per minute or something ludicrous. Always had him to edit my papers, real convenient.
by MetsKnicksRutgers on Nov 30, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
he is showing no fear of losing dwill... He seems all to confident.
BK knows something we don’t. probably only he, deron and proky know… (maybe avery too)
The new CBA helps that confidence
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
"Well, we’ve been on the phones and trying to find ways to get better and win."
Sooooo, it’s been going on all summer ???
Hahahaha
Believe!
BK
also said he will begin to start discussing extension with Lopez’s agent probably after the free agency period.
Could be an attempt even if it doesn’t work out to make Lopez feel at home.
Smart move
If the Nets can’t get Howard, you have to lock up Lopez. He’s too important and too talented to let slip away for nothing.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is a good one guys…brazilian beast it’s titled:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG7wt5W9LmE
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
andy, what you think- one year deal or no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAdxNVKkndg
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
i keep replaying for fab
this video and music wll make you want to give him a 5 year 35 million deal ala Outlaw, Avery probably saw some Outlaw vids on youtube.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
I hate dunk highlight reels
they don’t show a players skills. Other than dunking.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
What I think happened, and what might happen
Just a guess of course.
I think Billy made his offer. Told Orlando he will not go through the Melodrama again, and will deny any talks if made public. Billy then goes ahead and leaks the details lol. The ball is now rolling. Now that teams have to spend 85% of their cap, he tells Orlando they have until X date to decide because we will spend some cap and won’t be able to take Hedo in the future. I’m probably reaching here but..
I think in the end, if the offer is real, Orlando will balk at the deal. The Nets go ahead and sign players. And my gut feeling is Chandler, Prince, and Hump. Brook moves to the 4. Now that I spend my morning on Netsdaily, I have to actually do work now.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
exactly i said this yestersday
Why I feel nothing is happening and D will be in the west
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think nene over chandler
Also think a good chance we get Crawford.
Don't see the point of Crawford
When you have Brooks and Morrow. I think there are bigger needs.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
No offense. but if anyone is upset with BK for not admitting to going after Howard, that is a little pathetic...
He is supposed to say exactly what he said. He has already shown that when he makes moves, he prefers behind the scene (see the deron willimas trade)…
He is not supposed to say “yeah we are going full steam ahead for Howard”… Just like Howard is not going to reveal to the public where he truly wants to play. That’s for them to handle behind the scenes. We have to be patient and see what happens…
To clarify, I don't think anyone's mad at him for not saying that
We’re just like ’C’mon Billy, don’t be disingenuous. You act like you haven’t even read the CBA. We know you know that thing back and forth by now and are working hard."
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
there talking Dwight Howard on ESPN right now...
they say Perfect Destination would be Brooklyn. but Dwight wants to play in a warm market so LA and Dallas are at the top of his list…
Broussard just said Dwight will go to Knicks. SMH!!!
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 1:41 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
he said Dwight would live to go to Knicks, so if e had to settle. bk may work because it's in Ny
Guy is a complete idiot. he just reports things broken by other journalist. What an embarrassment.
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Did he also say Knicks are moving to Brooklyn?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
by BigTom on Nov 30, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wanted to tune-in to listen to Chris Broussard between classes.
It’s very surprising that he’s allowed to go on the radio and spout such nonsense. I am baffled.
What did he say?
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Man, I was hyped reading about this last night, but it makes no sense for ORL to trade him now
The longer they wait, the more the nets lose. the more valuable the pick becomes. Also, they could potentially get any free agents we sign and have more to choose from. So I’m gonna pump my brakes for now, but I’m still really hyped on where this season could go. Hope Brook gets used to the trade talk and questions from the media about it.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 1:47 PM EST reply actions
The longer they wait, the more the nets lose. the more valuable the pick becomes.
c’mon we can win without dwight
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
I think this is a .500 or less team as currently constructed
they will be scrapping for an 8 seed, of course that’s without Nene or Chandler etc
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
its not just about where the nets pick lands lol
the Nets are the only team that can absorb Hedos contract on top of everything else.
Clippers too
Plus a MUCH better draft pick (Minny’s 2012 1st)
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
you really think Dwight wants to play for Donald Sterling and in an arena they share with the Lakers? cmon man, he has leverage can choose where he wants to land
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No I don't at all
But that wasn’t what my response was about.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
The only problem with this is
Also, they could potentially get any free agents we sign
They don’t want contracts. They want cap relief.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
um what team do you expect to watch this season?
with Deron, and either Nene or Chandler plus a legit SF like Prince, this team isnt going to lose much IMO, thats easily a 45 win team in the east IMO maybe more
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Very telling response by Billy when asked directly if he's working on something big...
Q. Billy, you’re working on something big aren’t you.
“Well, we’ve been on the phones and trying to find ways to get better and win.”He doesn’t say the standard “nothing going on right now” but admits he’s on the phones…
The Knicks are far from a storied franchise
Their only reason for dominance is being the only gig in town. Brooklyn should be just as compelling in the new arena, rich owner and brand name.
This from someone who grew up in the city and currently lives in manhattan.
Very happy with Billy's interview
BS is part of the job requirement.
by rundmc00 on Nov 30, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
how hilarious is it that we hear the announcement yesterday that GMs can talk to agents today
and then boom,. a little after midnight Nets are on the front page of ESPN talking about trading for Dwight. This makes me think it was the Nets FO leaking all that melo drama last year. The Nets want the NBA to know theyre serious and not the same old Nets. I love it.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions
I give us a 60% chance of sealing the deal before the season starts
Based on:
- Orlando’s hands are tied. They have zero cap space to make any moves to improve the roster and Howard has made it abundantly clear that improving the roster is the only way he’ll sign an extension.
- Orlando is currently WAY over the luxury tax and it’s no longer a $1 for $1 tax. With their current salaries, they would owe the NBA $42 million in 2011 in luxury tax payments alone.
- The Nets would get them both under the luxury tax and under the salary cap since they would take their three largest salaries off the books with no albatross contracts going back.
- The Nets seemingly “faux” deadline of Dec. 9th to “walk away” and “move on to other free agents” isn’t so faux. The Nets have to reach the minimum cap requirements and not having that cap space limits the Magic from basically EVER relieving themselves from the cap hell they’re in.
Long story short, doing the trade now – and only now – is the ONLY way for the Magic to save nearly $70 million in salaries and taxes while also getting this many picks, young players (guys like Bogdonavic would undoubtedly be included), young studs (Lopez), and cap space.
At the end of the day Otis may be stubborn, but if you’re an owner seeing the writing of the inevitable on the wall, you better believe they would have to get involved and consider making the move.
Sure they’ll be unpopular but if so, then just throw Dwight Howard under the bus and try to turn him into a villain. Fire Otis and give him a nice severance. Tell your fans Dwight left them with no choice. Hope your team can perform decently with Jameer, Lopez, and FA’s, and let them boo Howard when he returns for the All-Star game.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 1:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
MORE LIKE .60%
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
by JJ25 on Nov 30, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
this
it makes no sense at all for ORL not see what else is out there. they’ll hang on to him until the deadline, which should make for some amazingly awkard all star game interviews in ORL
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
You're assuming that we operate in a completely rational realm.
We don’t. And if such a realm did exist, Otis Smith would operate outside of it.
There are an abundance of other factors that must be considered (in my opinion).
Who knows how much power Otis has at this point
He could be on his way out and forced to do ownership’s bidding.
Look at his interview posted below.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-news-1201-20111130,0,2387850.story
Sounds pretty defeatist.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I would say 10 percent
But it would take dwight’s intervention.
Once we sign a FA, we are not getting Dwight.
Agreed with most points...
…but they aren’t going to win the PR battle by tossing DHoward under the bus like that… He’s made it really clear that he would stay if Orlando fields a competitive team. Its Otis’s responsibility to deliver that for him. So if they even try to pin this on him, they’re finished.
The desparate acts of desparate men
Watch the recent movie Margin Call.
Sometimes the best way to deal with something is to just get it over with quick especially if you can salvage something out of moving quickly.
The longer they wait, the harder it gets to move Dwight while also clearing cap.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
its literally impossible for otis to deliver that
salary cap wont allow it and no one wants any player on their roster apart from Dwight
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
The more punitive luxury tax doesn’t kick in until the third season of the new deal, so you’re wrong there.
Second, Lopez is coming off of a terrible season, so he hardly qualifies as a young stud.
Third, how does it help Orlando being under the salary cap if they won’t be able to draw any major free agents?
agree 100%
the key being: “EVER relieving themselves from the cap hell they’re in.” and they have a small
window of when to do this by.
OK, this is my view
Only way it will make it to 60% is if Howard say’s I won’t re-sgin here ever.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Either they're getting Dwight Howard or they're alienating Brook Lopez
Not really a productive way to treat the Center star you supposedly love. I hope the Nets know what they’re doing. They alienated Favors last year and now they’re doing it again with Brook. I’ll assume they won’t let this last long, because they want to protect Brook.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Read Al's interview
Billy said that there will not be repeat of Melodrama and he is concerned about the rumors because he doesn’t want players to get distracted..
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
Of course there won't be a repeat of Melodrama
Because it’ll get done before the season starts ;)
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
How does he stop the rumors? How does he stop a repeat of the Melodrama?
For as long as Dwight is still in Orlando, there will be rumors involving Lopez, rightly or wrongly. Even if the Nets blow all their cap space on Dec. 9, Orlando could still come to the Nets at the trade deadline wanting to do Howard for Lopez and picks. You think at that point, Billy King will say, “Nah, not interested. We’re rolling with the squad we have now.” Of course he’ll still be interested. Therefore, the rumors involving Brook will be there until the deadline.
The Nets are hanging Brook out to dry like they did Derrick Favors. I just hope they have an informed reason to do so.
The downside to letting everybody know via the media that you are now players on the big stage is that it alienates your current players. I hope the Nets know what they’re doing.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Brook is probably hoping this happens more than anyone
disney every off day for him
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And don't forget he could go with his best friend
by BrooklynNets on Nov 30, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
ugh CDR
havent thought about him in a while. good riddance
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
they already said they plan to talk extension
that in itself will calm Brook after free agency. The rumors can swirl, but they will continue to deny deny deny. Melodrama, the problem was that they admitted to all the deals they were working on, so that caused stress. If he continues to say he has not talked and covers it up with talks of an extension for Brook, it may help in calming Brook down from the uncertainties.
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
They better not let this last long...
The nets don’t have Howard. And they don;t fully have Williams. But they have Lopez for some years to come… You don’t want to lose him mentally…
I don't think it'll affect Brook too much.
If he does get traded to Orlando, he gets to be with his best friend Ryan Anderson.
Not to mention Disney
In Billy we trust
He is not only a gentleman but an astute GM.
Funny post in the old thread about Broussard on 1050
FYI, from SICOne
Brousard on 1050 thinks that Nets isnt even top 3 places Howard wants to go and also says that CP3 to Knicks more likely to happen DHow to Nets. Before that he said only way Knicks get CP3 is in FA because Knicks have no assets. SMH!!!!!
Later in the interview He says Knicks would do Amare for Howard but Orlando wouldnt. They could get better packages from other teams and Nets offer would be exactly what they want.
SMH!!!!!
Broussard
won’t knock the guy cuz he’s just trying to do his job. These reporting jobs are dependent on who you know. Broussard, like anyone else, reads the tea leaves…hears the rumors…speaks to connections then comes up with his opinion.
Funny thing is…Stephen A was on the radio the other day on the O’Connor show…sunday morning I think. Stephen A said that if he were the MAgic GM, he’d take Lopez and picks.
Maybe this how the Howard story leaked today. STephen A said it on Sunday, then someone else ran with it a few days later.
And Stephen A got his idea from NetsDaily !
We’ve discussed all possible scenarios here before.
:)
Believe!
i said the exact same thing.
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
Stephen A is a loud mouth
but he’s more credible than Broussard. Broussard swore that LBJ was going to the Bulls or Knicks
by MrDollarBills on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Stephen A was the first to have the Heat story last year and he was 100% right
had it before anyone else
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone please give this guy a tour of Barclays...
I don’t know if it’s bribery or brainwashing, but they all coming out seeing the light. I think Prokhorov hypnotized Steven A. so that when he hear the words Dwight Howard he involuntarily says nice things about the Nets, and when he hears Frankie Goes Hollywood he will kill his political enemies
by SovietBrooklyn on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That guy is really really good-looking.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Otis Smith
"I don’t think you can take anything out of consideration. I think, one, you have to talk to your player first. We have to figure out where his head is, not where everyone thinks his head is, and just more figure out where he wants to be. And then you have to make the best decision of what’s in the best interests of the franchise. That’s how I’ve always went about it: to make the best decision that’s in the best interests of the Orlando Magic.
"I think you have to wait and leave all that up in the air. I don’t think you can say you will or you won’t [trade] at this point because you don’t know what you don’t know. I can speculate based on what I read and hear, but that’s really not fair to Dwight and it’s not fair to us. So you have to have a conversation with him about what he wants to do, and then you have to make the best decision that’s in the best interests of the franchise, as always."
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
so it sounds to me that Otis understands that it’s up to Dwight. If he wants to go, he’s gone in a trade. His hands are tied, he can’t improve his team at the moment.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It sounds to me like he's preparing the fanbase for a major letdown
Hasn’t he been pretty hardline in the past about the topic, almost not even entertaining it?
Sounds like he’s applying an anesthetic before putting in the lethal injection.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
The writing is on the wall
His angle for the fans will be “Dwight wanted to leave, there was nothing I could do.”
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
if I'm a Magic fan
I look at the fact that we got to a finals with dwight, we won’t be going back, and its time to rebuild. Give me 3 first rd picks in the 2012 draft along with Brook and getting rid of all of our bad contracts at once and I’d say yes. If the guy wanted to be there, he would have signed the extension already.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 30, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
there's no point in fighting
these players are holding teams hostage. We’ll have to do the same with Deron come March if this doesn’t get done
by MrDollarBills on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
They can't get three first round picks
at least not from the Nets. The Magic have their own, they could take the Rockets potential first rounder and the Nets 2013 first round pick. Nets cannot trade their 2012 first round pick since they traded their 2011 first rounder. You cannot trade first round picks on consecutive years.
by BrooklynNets on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
You can trade your first
If you have another. Im assuming since the Nets got another pick (Boston) they can trade their 2012 and the 2014 pick along with the Houston pick
We got it
when we traded away our first round pick (Dallas)
Sounds like a very professional way of saying...
“Come on Dwight, stop beating around the bush. Do you want out now or what?”
by SovietBrooklyn on Nov 30, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
He knows the team is crap...
…and there’s not much he can do about it…
At least the Cavs, the Nuggets, etc., all had the ability to get better. Not so for the Magic.
ill try and go back to compare Ujiri's quotes with Smith's quotes today
bet you theyre almost exactly alike
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Those comments made by Smith
has me convinced that the Magic at this point are in a “We can’t blame you if you want us to trade you” type of mindset.
Honestly, I think it’s just a matter of when. How, where, why, they’e all been answered
by i says on Nov 30, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
has Jerry tweeted Dwill on contacting Dwight yet?
No one pushes harder then Jerry. I remember his 1000 tweets a day to melo. Next to ND, he puts in the most work. lol
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 2:22 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
it's great...and it's sad
i hope he doesn’t think he can seriously effect what they do lol
love you jerry!
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
please don't jerry
Deron has more than likely talked to this dude already
by MrDollarBills on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Jerry25 = Billy King ?
Wouldn’t that be scary…
by M I K E on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I think Jerry is our MVP
He seals more deals than Herman Cain!
by djeterfan on Nov 30, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally...
I don’t know how you guys tolerate him, but God bless him, he surely needs it…
by the end of the year
The starting five will be dwill,morrow,turk,hump,Howard
by brickznujerz on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have a feeling BK is chasing Chandler. Will then move brook to the four spot.
Will possibly propose a package containing both Chandler and Brook near deadline for DH and Turk.
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 2:29 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Orlando
would be dumb to take that over the one rumored to be on the table.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 30, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
If the Nets...
get Chandler, we’re in serious trouble… Seriously!! I would take NeNe in a heart beat over Chandler, even if is costs a few million more a year… The guy has ZERO offense, other than put backs and dunks… Its so ridiculous that people on here want this guy, when just a few years ago, no one in the league wanted him…
Nets had NO scorers on the finals teams
But an all-world point guard and an athletic, aggressive PF. Deron and Tyson could be the new Kidd and KMart
Dr. J~Super Buck~Draz~JKidd~Deron
We'll all just have to see
but I respect the fact he cares enough about Lopez to eliminate any trade rumors surrounding the team. Either a deal is happening before December 25th, or no Dwight Howard it seems like.
I just hope this happens before the season starts
Doesn’t make sense to have both players and teams distracted.
If Otis talks to dwight and says he wants out then, trade him asap for the best offer. Whether it’s us or anyone else.
From fan perspective, i don’t want another Melo/Bron bs on the day to day basis.
Of all the Nets players I believe Brook Lopez will be the best player to handle all the upcoming trade rumors...
His strong family support system and his natural laid back California demeanor will probably enable him to sail right through all the upcoming trade talks and rumors…
He might even play better…
I love Brook and would like him to stay but if you can acquire a Dwight Howard….
I'm not worried about Brook either
Deron will keep him focused. It was obvious to me last season Brook didn’t want to let him down.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Ric Bucher just reiterated what Broussard said about Dwight
He said Dallas and LA are his top choices, and then said Nets fans will be disappointed
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST reply actions
On sportscenter btw
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
It’s funny how these guys claim to know exactly where Dwight wants to go, but Otis Smith claims he hasn’t been told he wants to leave.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Broussard mentioned the Knicks as a possibility while according to your post right here, Bucher didn't
so the conflicting info leads me to believe they’re just grasping for straws right now. They don’t know for sure.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
What Bucher doesn't know which Broutard does
is that it is always 20 degrees warmer in NYC than in Brooklyn and dwight wants a warm weather location.
by tategeorge on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Dallas sticks to one year deals...
Don’t underestimate their ability to sign DWil and Dwight.
I think we may have an idea what the Nets are really thinking about Howard...
by the moves they make or attempt to make in the next couple of weeks…
If they go big after Nene or West I think Howard is not on their immediate radar…
Bucher also said
under an owners proposal, players could be sent down to the D-League and paid $75,000.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
$75,000 extra, on top of their existing salary ?
If that’s the case Outlaw is going to be a very rich man soon….
Bucher is sticking to the Dallas thing.
He is the only one mentioning them. I am guessing Mark Cuban is his source.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
We WERE in his top 2
Until suddenly things changed. Only thing I could think is Deron told Dwight he wasn’t planning on sticking around.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Bucher never said were on his short list.
He said he thinks we would be the best option for him.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Like how Broussard knew LeBron was going to Chicago
I don’t believe anything out of these guys mouths. I know what makes sense and what doesn’t. The Orlando trade makes sense for Orlando and if they want to do it, they will. Don’t really care what Ric Bucher has to say.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
is this on YouTube by any chance?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Proky gassing up the jet
We all know Proky and our FO including Avery and Dwill will be meeting with Dwight during all star game weekend. Melo all over again, Proky will make third attempt to sign superstar on his second all star game in a row. Third times the charm. All star game in Orlando this year. Rumors during that weekend will be ridiculous!
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
dont think you will see that again
he learned his lesson. If D-Will cant sell a free agent, Prokhorov won’t be able to do it.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Billy is denying something that was never said
ESPN said the Nets were PREPARING an offer. He denied he had spoken with Smith.
In the journalism biz, that is called a non-denial denial.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
good catch NI
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
how do you know it was never said?
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
read the ESPN article they're talking about
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
ESPN never said they talked
there is an unfortunately ambiguous line about GMs talking but that is about GMs IN GENERAL talking
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Kerber agrees
which doesn’t mean the Nets didn’t have a thought-out plan that they’ll propose to them.
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Evan Roberts is terrible. He should have asked, “Reports are that you are preparing to offer the Magic a package…Is there any truth to it, specifically that you are gearing up to offer the Magic a package?” Instead, he asked if Billy had spoken to Orlando. How does that guy deserve to get paid to interview people?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
It was also very loose and bad interviewing.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Pretty sure I said that way up top
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Nene impact...
Jason Collins defense was huge for the team…even if his offense and rebouding were anemic.
Getting a Twin-like defender that can score and is an adequte rebounder is worth close to max with Lopez and Deron.
I know Dwight is a superstar and all, but
Nene and Lopez would feed off each other, personally I rather have two good players over a great player.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Nene would be our KMart...
Dump Farmer and bring in Nene, Craw, Hump and Prince.
Nice well balanced team. Gaines and Craw back up DWil.
Why Crawford
Selfish, poor locker room presence and will cost a lot. When you have Brooks and Morrow already, you can survive without Crawford.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
dwight and deron would be in the convo for best PG and C combination of all time
the 2 hardest positions to fill, the (arguably) best two players at those positions in the league. vets would be tripping over themselves to sign with the nets. barclay’s would be sold out every night. proko would be polishing a golden AK47 in his barlcays suite with a hairless cat in his lap.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
haha, he’ll be blowing kisses to his miniature giraffe
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HOw about Magic and Kareem?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
by BigTom on Nov 30, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dwights not a great player
He’s a DOMINANT player, the type that changes everything. The paint gets locked down, every board gets snatched, the defense becomes stronger. Nene and Lopez can’t have the impact an MVP type player like Howard can have
Lol @ you.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Nene is an adequate rebounder, but if you think he’s a stout defender, you’re in for disappointment.
Tyson Chandler is more up your alley.
America doesn't run on Dunkin; it runs on Varitek.
MarShon Brooks has the dreaded.
maxyboy
good to see you!
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Nene isn't Tyson Chandler
But he’s very good defensively. He also happens to be an offensive threat unlike Tyson Chandler.
Nene is a superb defender
I saw stats recently which showed how much improved Denver’s defence was with Nene on the floor as opposed to on the bench. I actually doubt many people have sat back and watched Nene properly in games. He’s one of the most underrated players in the whole NBA in my humble opinion. He doesn’t need the ball or plays run for him and sits around 60% fg all the time with a good pick and roll game.
He’s a PF that was forced to play centre for Denver because of need. I think a full season with Deron playing with him could see Nene turn into a stud PF. Nene and Lopez actually compliment each every very well offensively with their games. You could see Nene and Lopez have monster seasons playing with Deron. Not many teams could cope with a Nene/Lopez front court.
The only concern is the price Nene is wanting because he isn’t worth a max contract (obviously) and this is where the signing could turn silly.
At the right price, obviously if we don’t trade for Dwight Howard, Nene is a good signing.
by N.Ireland Nets Fan on Nov 30, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Bring back Jeff mcinnis and big cat magloire and call it a season
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Bring back Jeff mcinnis and big cat magloire and call it a season
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lol
"Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming." - John R. Wooden
by D Will to Succeed on Nov 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
There going to talk D-howard and Nets
on First and 10 with Stephan A.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
How many games will we lose with all the trade rumors.
I don’t think Prok will stand another losing season behind a media circus circling Dwight rumors.
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
okay looking Otis comment
makes you think reality is setting in still the rest is up to Dwight.
take KG situation. He was traded before the season because he didn’t BS around he told Minnesota he wanted out and not only that he let every other team know he was leaving on his terms.
Otis said he will talk to Dwight to see where his head at. He said he will do what’s best for the Magic.
Dwight stop BS and let him know what’s up this deal will go if not now then never.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions
seriously
If Dwight wants out, let it be known to Otis. Why go through a season with that mediocre squad that you are eventually going to leave. Why not tell Otis to trade him before the season, so both Orlando and whichever team Dwight ends up at (Nets hopefully) can have a real season rather than a BS one.
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 30, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
yes
otis has gone from “I’m not trading dwight.” to “I’m do what best for Orlando.”
so that lets you know reality has hit. he can’t do much with his teams might be best to wave the white flag. Play dwight as the bad guy and move on
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I really hope Deron is working the text/phone trying to convince Dwight to accept the deal
He said he would recruit.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
KG a better analogy than Carmelo
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Nov 30, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i agree
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
yes
you want a team that’s big market, another star, and future here it is. it’s ready right now
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to look into anything
but the timing of Otis’ comments could maybe, possibly, sorta mean something maybe?
He's openly saying he willing to trade Dwight to see what he can get back. He will collect offers from all teams then approach Dwight on where he wants to go before he commits highway robbery. Get ready men.
These 66 games will feel longer then 2 regular seasons combined
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
naw homey
look at what king said. I look at it like this he will make a swing at dwight. if he can’t get him before the season he will move on.
He said the melo situation will not repeat it self. we either get dwight before the season start or not at all
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
He said the melo situation will not repeat it self
How do you prevent rumors? Even if we spend all our cap space on Dec. 9, Orlando can still come back at a later date and say, ok we accept just Brook and picks. We keep Hedo. Rumors about that possibility can float until the deadline.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
they won't do that not when the clippers offer will be better and dwight will be in the west
plus with our cap space now spent they have to take back a player we made a long term agreement too
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I understand, but my point is
Orlando can take their time with trading Dwight, and for as long as they take, the rumors involving Brook will swirl.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
He can't do that
First of all, i doubt Orlando pulls the trigger prior to the start of the season.
Second, Dwight is the only guarantee Deron stays. You do whatever to get him and simultaneously keep Deron.
Third, Dwight is one of, if not the best player in the league. When you have a chance at someone like that you don’t just give up because the season has started.
NI, do you think a deal between the Nets and Magic happen before the season?
based on your gut, speculation, or even some “source” info you may have..
i think and its only me
that the Magic will try to move him early.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm there with you
Check my overly long logic.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
they dont have much time anyway
last year the melo stuff started in September, tomorrow is December 1st, trade deadline is Feb 23rd?
according to day counter that is 84 days away lol
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
You also thought draft day :)
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Man, I kind of wish the lockout was still on. I have to write a 15 page research paper by Monday, and I won't have time this weekend.
I haven’t started yet, but I can’t tear myself away from ND and ESPN. Wowwwwwwwww.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions
LOL...My advice...Get yourself banned.
I can give you some great pointers on that subject.
Seriously…Get your school work done first. NetsDaily ain’t going anywhere, and you won’t be going anywhere either without good grades….
by M I K E on Nov 30, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
good call M I K E
but I need my fix man. pressure makes diamonds, so maybe I’ll be better off pulling all nighters this weekend.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
LOL...Be there done that...
How good are you at flipping burgers ?
Just remember It’s all in the wrist…
Psshhh screw that
I’m an Accounting major. I need all the excitement I can get
by bronxbombers2 on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
that's what Outlaws hs teacher said
BQ. and you won’t be going anywhere either without good grades….
Nets will open Brooklyn coming off 20-25 win season.
"They'll win 35 minimum" vincecarter4pres 11/29/11
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
true man, and now outlaw is getting paid LiKe OuT Of ThIs WoRlD
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
No wonder the U.S. is going downhill faster then the Knicks can hand out first round draft picks...
You guys are our future and your all busy goofing off on NetsDaily…
Seems like ESPN doesn't want to give the Nets any credit
I think Dwight understands that the situation he would be if he landed in Brooklyn would be once in a lifetime. Hall of Fame centers need a guard to get them the ball and who better to do that then a man who ranked third in assist last year? The nets situation would be perfect for Dwight Howard
Welcome to Nets City
ESPN broke this "story"
I think they are giving the nets a fair shake
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Lmao broke this story???
They said we prepping to trade for Dwight before he becomes a FA in 2012. Brook is the biggest chip we have outside of Dwill which we won’t move. Doesn’t take a brain surgeant to speculate that rumor. Their reaching and have created something to speak about on their espn talk shows and espn radio stations. They broke it the day FA starts… Isn’t it fitting. This is not a package BK put together at 12:01 am. This was the logical starting point to negotiate on since day one!
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
cool story bro
ESPN still had a Nets headline on day 1 of the NBA opening shop, at midnight. I think they are giving the nets credit. I doubt they pulled all those details out of thin air.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Dwight already knows where he wants to go.
He controls his own destiny with FA next year. He goes where he wants to, whether it be with us or elsewhere. Same applies to Dwill. I just hope they have already conversed on becoming the tandem to open up our Barclays center
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 3:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Deron needs to call Dwight and tell him to request trade to Nets...
You can be sure that they are talking behind the scenes.
Stephen A says its between us, Knicks, Lakers, and Clips
and that he wants Hollywood and it fits his personality and his smile is reminiscent of Magic.
Skip says he’ll stay in Orlando and he loves being a big fish in a small pond.
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 30, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
All of a sudden he adds Knicks and Clips to the mix
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
thats exactly what I was thinking
the other day he was saying its between L.A. and the Nets
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's hedging his bet because he doesn't know for sure, imo
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
He doesn't want the Clips so they're out
The Knicks are overrated and have no chance.
Its between LA and BK
by i says on Nov 30, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
its always been between LA and BK, lets be honest
this dallas talk is nonsense, who they going to give up for him? terry, marion, haywood? lol magic would be isnane to take marion and haywoods contracts
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I still say...
Nets could have Dwight now if it was:
1) Brook and 3 #1 picks for Hedo and Dwight
2) Brooks, James, Petro, Morrow and Farmer for Arenas
We give them Brook, the equivalent of 5 #1 picks and save them approximately $100M.
Are you really ready to go all in?
That is what I ask for if I am Smith...
Take it or leave it.
Horrible trade
WAY too much. Why bail them out on Arenas? Orlando can amnesty Gilbert on their own and we can’t anyways.
by ZR on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
lmao knicks~
gimme a break. I’m betting they’ll have Jesus Christ and Virgin Mary on their side as well
by iambryan on Nov 30, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
he said they’ll only have Iman Shumpert, Amar’e, and Melo on contract after this season, therefore will be capable of getting him.
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
and Dwight will be in the same situation as CP3
Amar’e and Melo make over $40mil by themselves. Dwight would need to take a massive pay cut to play with the Knicks. He’d be their best player, and yet 3rd highest paid on the team. And the rest of the team will be D-League peronnel because they can’t afford anything else.
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
whyyy are the knicks even in the conversation? it's not gonna happen
it’s just a blatant appeal to what viewers want to hear. the knicks have no shot at another big name
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stephen A doesnt sound so sure Dwight will be a Net anymore
He says he wants to be in hollywood
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions
I honestly don't think anyone knows, or has a reliable source yet
But they still have to go on tv and talk about it.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Just wanted to say...
I hate your username.
Unless you are actually Rodney Buford, in which case, great username.
Stephen A. is widening his pool of teams Dwight could go to
which means he’s hedging his bets, which means he doesn’t know for sure.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
I hope Dwight goes to LA...
Deron going to Dallas with Dwight is my biggest fear.
I am fine with Nene, etc.
What Nets fans want to hear: "Yeah we're going to go hard after Howard"
What we will hear: “What are you talking about?”
What we will see in the background of a conference: Proky texting to Dwight that he’ll get his own island.
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
the man is a genius
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
NJ will pursue free agents Nene & Tyson Chandler in hopes of landing 1. Could use either as trade bait to land Howard or players around him.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
dwill obviously
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Avery would rather
pull his hair out than put up with Carter.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Nov 30, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
“Did you see VC?”
“VC THREEEEeeeeee”
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
by Andy. on Nov 30, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'm sure Nene and Tyson Chandler are chomping at the bit to join an Orlando club that's going nowhere
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
you people
have led me to believe Broussard hates the Nets.
Who is leaking this?
Now these guys will think twice about signing here
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
that was my 1st thought as well
why sign with the nets when theres a chance they could get stuck on a garbage ORL squad with no dwight?
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
counter-offensive by the opposition
Isiah?
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
I'm convinced right now reporters haven't the foggiest idea what the truth is with the whole Dwight situation.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
by BigTom on Nov 30, 2011 3:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why, because you don't like what you are hearing?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
No,
because we are hearing a bunch of different things.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
co-sign
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
he's talking about illinois hoops and steak houses in istanbul but he's been pretty quiet
hopefully he’s blowing up dwight’s phone with texts
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I have this bad feeling Deron is playing the Nets...
And will leave at the end of the year.
I had that bad feeling since Bucher said we've fallen to the bottom of Dwight's list
Made me think Deron and Dwight talked and Deron told him he’s out. If Deron is out, then Brooklyn is intriguing, but no longer a top choice by far.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Deron Williams and Dwight Howard
aren’t as close as people think.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Yeah
one’s in the US and the other is halfway across the world
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
by netsareboss on Nov 30, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
realationshp wise.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
what makes you say that
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why does that matter?
Dwight Howard the player is probably salivating at the thought of playing with Dwill the player.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 30, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
as players i think they have a solid realtionship
but as friends not buying it.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
And you know this how..?
I’m not saying they are best of friends but it’s all speculation. We just don’t know.
Both Dwill and Dwight stay out of the Lebron, CP3, Wade, Melo circle.
by djeterfan on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
this is going to be an annoying
and anxious ride. Simply put the Nets can go in so many directions and we wont know if they did the right thing until Deron sighs or leaves. There are going to be endless, rumors,
true
how long until we read about the clippers/dallas/etc preparing an offer for the nets?
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nets Twitter
netsbasketball netsbasketball
What’s the best way to get out of a shooting slump? #NETSAsk
Me:
@netsbasketball Just hand the ball to Dwight.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
Makes no sense.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm getting scared
in both his article from this morning and his latest blog entry, Kerber (probably our team’s best beat writer) talks about landing Nene with a max deal. Scary.
Big money for Nene and get a SF...
First two steps.
According to Spears, before the lockout occurred this summer, the Nuggets offered the 6-11 Brazilian a four-year, $50 million contract extension, which he would have taken during the season but “felt disrespected because the Nuggets waited so long.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Nene-looking-to-sign-with-a-contender?urn=nba-413427
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
That proved what exactlY?
That talks more about how he felt the deal came TOO late.
Sure, he might want a few more bucks, but he said he would’ve signed the $50 million deal.
Even if he wants more, there’s a huge difference between $50 million and $70 million.
He’ll top out at $60.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I have been in support of signing Nene.
But if we sign him to the max…I am out.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
of being a Nets fan.
Maybe. Because they pull me back in.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
What I should say is
if our offseason only features a maxed out Nene, I will reconsider my fandom. Maybe.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pressure of that name of your's is getting to you.
Hang in there
Happy to see Billy King graduated in an accelerated "how to make a trade" class in just one night :)
I went to the Orlando
Realgm Forum.
They are saying the Nets offer is garbage and Lopez sucks.
This is going to be really funny. Even the Knicks forum is saying the offer is garbage.
I love afternoon laughs thanks Orlando and Knick fans
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
they think they are gonna get blake griff for dwight
lmfaoooooooo
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Orlando doesn't know what it really should want
Hopefully Otis smith understands what that team needs
by i says on Nov 30, 2011 4:06 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Seems like ESPN's analysts are collectively hedging bets and each is choosing a team
That way no matter who is right, ESPN is right.
the Knicks is what they say no matter what
It’s like" so who do you think will get cliff lee" and they say don’t rule the Knicks out just yet
by i says on Nov 30, 2011 4:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 5 recs
I think
Billy King is playing coy for a reason, something he has something in the works.
Welcome to Nets City
he needs to.
I’m sure there are deals being made.
He needs to be crafty when doing interviews.
Believe!
I'm sure every Nets fan
Including myself hopes and believes for that
by i says on Nov 30, 2011 4:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I will wait for the rumors that say Howard has told Smith where he wants to go.
Wherever that is, we will see.
If he has not already, it is time for Dwight to tell Otis what he wants.
I think it's fine.
i just cant believe Dwight wont be a BKNet
Orlando won’t find a better deal. Lopez picks and maybe brooks or bojan for Dwight and Hedo. They will suck for a year or 2 but its more than what they got in the Shaq deal
on another note..
Looks more and more like hump is gone…I woldnt go any higher than 4yr 52 mil for Nene, and I’m a huge fan of him sayin that. Don’t rly want chandler. Esp since I heard his makret value is 10 mil a year. Ill pass
by cdr4prez on Nov 30, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Id say chandler for 10 is a bargain IMO
by djeterfan on Nov 30, 2011 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In other news BEY and HOV
will have their baby just in time for Christmas.
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
NetsDaily NetsDaily.com
Nets are not interested in David West, we are told. Not crazy about Big Baby either.
this will help some fans today, lol
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
by Andy. on Nov 30, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
lesson
Melo me once, shame on you.
Melo me twice, shame on me.
Dwight rumors already gave me a headache on day one.
Stephen a smith on micheal Kay
He just said Dwight is realistic for nets at deadline. We are his second Choice behind LA. He thinks if we sign Crawford and nene we can use them and Lopez/picks in a trade for Dwight.
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 4:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
1) Why would Nene and Crawford sign w/ us only to be traded
2) If we did sign those two, I would absolutely not give them as well as Brook and picks in a deal. Take one of them out.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
obvisously they wouldnt sign under the assumption they'll be traded
they would sign to play for us, if they get dealt later thats part of the business
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm
did Kay’s follow question sound like this: “is there anything the Knicks can do to make it happen?”
Lmao. They now discussing cp3. He's saying knocks can get him as soon as next two months
Stephen a smith keeps reiterating that NJ were very close on getting Melo. He would have been a net for sure if it wasn’t 11th hour Knicks deal
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't tell Knicks fans that
They think Melo would never ever ever have been a Net.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Seriously ...
I want the Knicks to get CP3.
Would be interesting to see the rest of the roster.
Then the injuries start happening due to the harsh schedule …. nice.
Believe!
Man I hate Kay
Hate him as a YES announcer, and an unabashed Knicks and Jets fan. Makes me sick.
by bronxbombers2 on Nov 30, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
net income
How heavily is billy listening to d-will on wat free agents to pursue?
by cdr4prez on Nov 30, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Otis plans on speaking to Dwight's agent today
If i’m Otis, I will say tell me for certain, does he want out. I have to do the best for this team and organization. Having a media circus everyday between now and March is not in it’s best interest. If Dwight doesn’t see himself resigning, then I’m trading him, and I have such and such offers that i’m considering. Lets all avoid the distraction and either part ways now, or let everyone know that he is staying.
If i’m Billy, i stick to my guns. Otis, 12:01am Dec 9 is my deadline. After that, I’m going my own separate way. I can’t guarantee the return in assets and cap relief that you want and need, and will be building my team.
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions
The thing I can think Otis will ask is WHERE Dwight wants to go
If he’s going to ask if Dwight will stay, its dumb.
Time and again, Dwight has been saying the Magic needs to change the roster. Otherwise he’s gone.
The ball is in Otis’ hands.
Either he trades and acquire personnel, or trade Dwight.
Believe!
win lose or draw you can't say the Nets didn't come out swinging this year
and they’re trying to go into BK with a legit title contender. I can’t wait to see what happens, I’m enjoying the ride.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions
The real story here is that we may have seen Travis MVP Outlaw play his last game in NJ
Good night, sweet prince.
by phatman00 on Nov 30, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpdyQgB19cA&feature=player_embedded#!
Can we get Hedo to translate.
"Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming." - John R. Wooden
by D Will to Succeed on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions
Can we get Hedo to translate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpdyQgB19cA&feature=player_embedded#!
"Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming." - John R. Wooden
by D Will to Succeed on Nov 30, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions
Don't sleep on Howard to the Knicks
It’s possible then will all look dumb
by xxxnets5xxx on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Amare for Howard is the only way
And I don’t put it past Otis to do that, because it’s a stupid move that no other NBA GM would do… like take on Arenas’ contract.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
by eLonepb on Nov 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Naw
Not even he would do that, maybe if the Knicks had at least one draft pick.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
If D12 doesn't end up on the Nets
The only other acceptable possibility is the Lakers.
That’s the only acceptable one.
If he ends up with Dallas for whatever reason, consider us DONE. (cause that means Deron’s top FA teammate just went to his hometown team).
NO IDEA
But their name has suddenly entered the fray and if for some reason D12 doesn’t force himself here but to Dallas, then there’s some kind of plan in place…
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Putting Dwight aside
would anyone sign with us if they thought Deron would leave?
Would Deron recruit for us if he knew he was going to leave?
food for thought
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
He said he was last year...
Time for the rubber to meet the road.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
god grant me
the strength to turn away from all forms of media until december 9th.
i cant take the angst that comes with all this talk and rumors.
by pope of lofe on Nov 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
any of you guys see this from Stefan Bondy?
** King said he will offer Deron Williams a two-year contract extension worth roughly $40 million whenever it’s allowed by the CBA rules. That should be coming up shortly. He could also opt-out and re-sign with the Nets for five years, $100 million.
If I'm not mistaken
7.5% raise instead of 4.5% raise elsewhere.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Max contract is 30% of the cap, compared to 25% elsewhere.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Makes you appreciate Durant
and his willingness to take a discount.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
lol, from an Orlando fan
And I’m truly under the belief that Arenas will not take his option next season (he actually is a good guy and would realize he’s hurting the team financially), we’ll be able to Amnesty Turkeglu after another poor season, and we’ll have the ability to sign two max players, and then another player of medium calibur (probably Arenas).
delusional much!!
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 4:49 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
im a nice guy and i wouldnt walk away from $20million dollars
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Only if he was a Knick
Cuz then he’d pass up 20M no prob to better the organization.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
-__- too many chips.
Section 4 Row 7 @ Prudential
I expect our season starting lineup to be
Dwill
Morrow
Butler
Lopez
Chandler
See us making moves during deadline.
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
not bad…not sure how chandler/lopez will workout. Lopez can’t defend anyone (PF or C) so I guess it’s ok :)
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Im hoping
Dwill/Farmar/Gaines
Anthony Parker (or TMAC)/Morrow/Brooks
AK47/DJ
Nene/Hump
Lopez
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Parker or TMac
not better than Morrow. TMac is no longer worth starter minutes, and Parker is an off the bench guy.
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think I prefer
Nene/Lopez >>>> Chandler/Lopez
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
thing is Chandler allows Brook to play PF, which King implied he would like to happen
im happy with either really, obviously Nene is more talented offensively, probably better all around
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I really do like Morrow
but I’d like to see a better starting SG. Morrow is too one dimensional, a well-rounded, especially good defending wing would be great.
of course I don’t who exists like that in this year’s FA crop…
by sheepareevil on Nov 30, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
You know, after all of this talk, we know what's going to happen on Dec. 25th
The Knicks will take the court with
PR: Chris Paul
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Amar’e Stoudemire
C: Dwight Howard
And of course we'll get doubly screwed
Because Nene will be on their bench…
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS:
Ujiri Former GM of Denver will be hired by Orlando to consult in any Dwight Howard Trade.
Ready Nets Fans? We want Brook, Deal? Okay now we want brook and James, Deal? Throw in morrow marshon and Dwill and take back Turk and Arenas and we will sign off tonight.
by ItsAllNets on Nov 30, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
only two holdouts
NY and West Virginia
by bronxbombers2 on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I guess we know who lives in West Virginia
Former New Yorkers…
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
New York is pretty close
Must be the new Brooklyn vote
rec'd of course Double D's would be better they always are :)
by Henry Sanchez on Nov 30, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Only 950 votes
Check out the ESPN one:
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7297721/will-dwight-howard-look-metropolis
Over 36,000 people voted, and 67% say Dwight & Deron.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Same poll, eLone
The stats you’re looking at are for NY alone, look above that and you’ll see over 34,000 votes
by bronxbombers2 on Nov 30, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I am more worried about one third of people.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nene and Lopez are not a Good Match
Nene best strength is being an efficient shooter, not neccesarily scorer. Lopez best strength is scorer, typically from outside the paint. Both are average if not below below average rebounder for big man and average defenders. I would sign Nene ONLY at a reasonable price tag that would allow us to sign Hump back, solid wing player (AK-47) and possibly a potent scorer—-meaning nowhere near the MAX money.
Nene led the league in field goal % but was was on the bottom in number of shot taken on his team. Hopefully this was symptomatic of having to play with such selfish player (JR Smith) or quantity shot scorer (Melo) for most of his career. I hope that matching him in a more balance team with one of the top point guard in the league will make him more of a formidable big man down low.
NO Big Baby—had weight and maturity issues with Celtics with a team full of future Hall of Famers and veterans to keep him in check.
NO D West—no simply because it will probalby take another year for him to fully recover and by that time it would be too late for our goal of going into BK as Winners
MAYBE Chandler-worries me that he was in a perfect system in Dallas and will not have same effect on Nets. He will regress to his performance level on Bobcats.
BKlyn B King has to take a chance on one of the big man above picking the wrong one may have long term adverse effect. Take Nene and wait till Orlando comes knocking…
he’s pretty good…Nets have great doctors
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Do they still have tim walsh
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Easy to do
Brook Lopez \ Nene Hilario \ Johan Petro
Nene Hilario \ Jordan Williams \ Andre Kirelinko
Andrei Kirelinko \ Damion James \ Tracy McGrady
Anthony Morrow \ Marshon Brooks \ Tracy McGrady
Deron Williams \ Jordan Farmar \ Sundiata Gaines
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
by JJ25 on Nov 30, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
IF I WERE GM!
If i could play GM for a day this is what I would do.
Trade Farmar and Outlaw to Indiana for Danny Grainger. Indiana would then have a good point gaurd and can amnesty Travis outlaw and would at that point be under the cap far enough to sign two Big name free agents. Why would they do this? They ReallY like Paul George!
Next I would sign Nene outright and forget about D-12. Misses too many freethrows especially in the clutch. Could you just imagine the stress in the playoffs in a close game!
This would leave our roster like this:
DWill/Gains
Morrow/Brooks
Grainger/James
Nene/JWilliams
Lopez/Petro
Finally, when players come back from China in March I would go after Kenyon to finish out the season. Now tell me this tean can’t compete with anyon’e in league!
yeah, granger for farmar not hapnin
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
they can't amnesty outlaw
player has to be already under contract during lockout. only team that can amnesty outlaw are the Nets.
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Indiana has Collison and Hill , they don’t need Farmar. You’re days of playing GM for a day have been a failure ! Muhahahahaha.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
They asked for Favors and Harris at one point for Granger i believe
Not taking Farmar especially with having quite possibly better point guards already there.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
This is what we are looking at
D-Will/Gaines
Morrow/Brooks
Hedo/James
Hump/MLE/J-Will
Dwight/Puketro
by nets14 on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like this linep…Def the most realistic
by brickznujerz on Nov 30, 2011 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Nets truly want to wait for Dwight
Sign Prince, AK, Hump
4/28, 3/15, 4/25
Amnesty Outlaw,
Then preserve Outlaw’s cap space to Absorb Hedo later down the road.
Brook+DJames+Picks+Cash for Dwight/Hedo
Otherwise, go all out now and sign Nene/Chandler + Hump + Prince or AK
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 5:31 PM EST reply actions
TBH I think Hump is gone
Billy didn’t really sound interested
Truthfully...
We do not need his $6.2M cap hold tying us up. We could sign a decent backup big for $3M later on.
Nene – $15M, Prince – $5M, Craw – $5M. I see this happening and using the $2.5M exemption on a big. Also dumping Farmer could help free up $$$.
i'm sure billy probably feels the kardashians will be a distraction to him.
so i don’t blame him
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions
First agent he called (so he said)
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
more to appease
since he already on the team, but i believe nets are interested but now wary in how his personal life will affect his baskeball play.
by domininaldo1981 on Nov 30, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Marc Stein was just on The Doug Gottlieb Show on ESPN Radio
He takes a roundabout way of thinking Dwight will end up with us. He also had an odd comment about the “Nets forcing their way into” the Dwight Howard discussion when we’ve been in the discussion since we signed Deron.
Gottlieb: Marc, if you had to guess, where does Dwight Howard play at the end of the season?
Stein: I think they’re going to trade him now. I thought Orlando would really be stubborn with this and take an approach similar to Toronto with Chris Bosh, but Otis Smith has kind of shocked us today and told the Orlando Sentinel – you know, this is the first day team executives can talk to the press – and he told his local paper, ‘Look, we want to keep Dwight Howard, but if we have to trade him and realize it’s impossible to keep him, we will do it.’
And that’s really the first time Otis Smith has talked like that and I think he sees the inevitable here. Dwight Howard wants to go to a major market, he wants to end up with the Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, or Nets, who are forcing their way in now (?); and he wants to end up in LA or NY and you have to believe that’s the way this story is going to end.
Gottlieb: So if you had to guess – because I JUST DON’T SEE how the Knicks can put any kind of offer together – will they take on a couple of bad contracts from the Lakers and maybe Andrew Bynum or do they take some young players from the Clippers? Isn’t that the choice?
Stein: Well, I feel the Clippers think they have the cap space to wait this thing out and make a play in the summer time, which is of course risky if Dwight ends up getting traded somewhere he likes. We have the story today on ESPN.com about the offer the Nets are putting together and frankly look, you’re not going to get equal value for Dwight Howard, but a young center in Brook Lopez and 2 1st round picks AND the Nets willingness to take back Hedo’s contract combined with Orlando’s ability to use the amnesty provision on Gilbert Arenas – Orlando really would have a chance to start off with financial flexibility and a decent big man and some good draft picks…I think that’s a decent starting point.
I think that offer is better than anything the Lakers can put on the table because Bynum still has durability issues and Pau Gasol is not the dominant player he was a year or two ago. It’s a difficult decision because there’s no slam dunk option out there, but you just have to make the best of the situation the way Denver did with Carmelo Anthony.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 5:50 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Someone better reply to this, because that took a while to transcribe
haha
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
thanks...
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I pride myself on bolding
Though if I can re-edit, I bolded too much of the Stein’s second reply. Should’ve just bolded the “I think that offer is better than anything the Lakers can put together.”
Oh well.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
We are probably the best offer...
If Dwight is traded before Dec 9…it will be us. After that, I don’t give us much of a chance.
we make a lot of sense for them to resign very qucikly
they will have a lot of capspace and can really retool very qucikly.
could be
particularly if that story was leaked by his agent.
i found the time odd. it was published not long after midnight on the day that the NBA first permitted discussions. It was as if the source told ESPN they had to embargo it until after midnight.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Michael Kay is the biggest MOMO on the air waves.
"Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming." - John R. Wooden
by D Will to Succeed on Nov 30, 2011 5:58 PM EST reply actions
Michael Kay ugh!
He just said on 1050AM that he doesn’t think Nets will get Dwight. Also doesn’t think Deron will resign. Of course the Knicks will get CP3. And his little sidekick, Don Lewhatever said the Knicks will always be more popular than the Nets no matter what. Also, even with Dwight and Deron, the Nets wouldn’t be better than the Knicks this year.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Michael Kay is THE worst.
THE worst.
Him and Francesspool
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 30, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
yeah michael kay is on crack if he thinks the nets with williams and howard isn’t better than the knicks
by avilanets85 on Nov 30, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, now they're talking about the possibility of Dwight going to the Knicks
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
yeah because he’s going to play for the MLE lol
by avilanets85 on Nov 30, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FIXED
yeah because he’s going to play for theMLELLE lol
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
The funny thing is
The knicks don’t have a GM
Maybe they will have Isiah give him a call.
by Rodney Buford on Nov 30, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Paul just tweeted...
CP3 Chris Paul
Its the gift n the curse bc I’m blessed to do what I do n would love stability for him but I HAVE to have him by my side bc that’s MY GUY!!!
Is he talking about Outlaw or Amare ?
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Nov 30, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
ds like his wife tweeted about him. No?
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
Oh, he's talking about his son
In order
CP3 Chris Paul
Just picked up my son from his last day of school in NC and he doesn’t realize he won’t see his friends for a long while #WishHeKnew
CP3 Chris Paul
I was fortunate that my entire childhood was in 1 location and I always wonder what its like 4 my son who does as much traveling as grownups
CP3 Chris Paul
Its the gift n the curse bc I’m blessed to do what I do n would love stability for him but I HAVE to have him by my side bc that’s MY GUY!!!
by Anthony Perez on Nov 30, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, he's talking about little HOVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35a6KAHAwr8
"I think I’m the best point guard in the league. No reason. I just think I’m the best.’’-Deron Williams.
the magic HAVE to decide on Howard before the season- all comes down to Jason Richardson
People have overlooked this. The Magic are thin in the backcourt. If they really want to go for one more run with Dwight.. then they need to rresign Jason Richardson. The Magic are in cap hell.. but they have Richardson’s Bird Rights. So they can resign him if they want
If they let Richardson go, they will have Jameer, Reddick, Quentin Richardson, and Arenas in the backcourt
So.. if they keep Richardson they will need to add ANOTHER cap killing deal.. making the departure of Dwight even more painful
So.. if they keep Richardson they will need to add ANOTHER cap killing deal.. making the departure of Dwight even more painfulIf they let Richardson walk, they are going to war with
Jameer/ Arenas (who they likely would amnesty)
QUentn/ Reddick
So.. if they keep Richardson they will need to add ANOTHER cap killing deal.. making the departure of Dwight even more painfulIf they let Richardson walk, they are going to war with
Jameer/ Arenas (who they likely would amnesty)
QUentn/ ReddickThats not going to get it done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um2Ol9TD4wo
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Nov 30, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
FOR DWIGHT HOWARD ....
I would trade Lopez, the two 1’s and any other player on the Nets not named Deron Williams.
Winning championships in this league has always been about pairing super-stars, getting that super-star duo is half the battle, so I would trade all of the above to pair Howard with Deron.
That, my friend, is a thing of beauty
I would be going backflips if we put Dwight Howard in a Nets uniform.
JUST THE IDEA of Howard and Williams … WOW
rec'd
Sometimes when you see people in new jerseys it just doesn’t seem right…something just seems natural about this though
by SovietBrooklyn on Nov 30, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
not really
Howard has an arm coming out of his butt. Im pretty sure thats not normal
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Extra shot blocking arm
So that’s how he does it!
by bronxbombers2 on Nov 30, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I am convinced Otis Smith wants the Nets deal... It's just up to Dwight whether he wants to come...
Marc Stein and other reporters are shocked how Smith has changed his tune regarding the possibility of trading Dwight. Last season he said he wouldn’t do it. Now today he is saying that he will trade him if he doesn’t want to be there…
I find it odd that Smith is now saying this openly after the leak came out about the nets offer the same day. I believe Otis Smith was presented with this deal. And I believe he is the one who leaked it to the press to see if this is what Dwight wants. I believe it was also his way of seeing the fans response… I am so convinced smith wants this deal…
It's the only thing that makes sense to me...
The Nets wouldn’t leak this because it would start the circus that happened last year with Melo. i do not see the purpose for Dwight’s agent. But it’s very strange that after all of this time, Otis Smith all of a sudden is openly saying he is ok with trading Dwight after the news of the nets proposal hits the press… he wants to deal with the nets…
Everyone knows there is no better deal out there…
1- The Clippers can give picks, and maybe cap relief. But they cannot give a good player also like the Nets can with Lopez… AND, Howard would not want to share the spot light with another big man. Griffin is much more popular than him right now. His ego couldn’t take it…
2- The Lakers only have injury prone Bynum and gasol who is declining. They cannot give cap relief. They have no draft picks. AND.., with Gasol and Bynum’s contracts, they would still be waaaaaayyyyyyy over the cap.
3- The Knicks have no good draft picks, no cap relief. And who are they going to offer. AMARE? With those bad knees, bad back and big contract…
Otis Smith wants the Nets deal…
What ego?
Dwight is not that type of character. I want Dwight as well but dont reach.
Clippers are a real threat and are the most likely to land Dwight to various reasons.I dont wanna hear that stuff about the owner being bad. You think Dwight cares? He has the potential to team up with another superstar (Paul or Deron) along with a borderline superstar (Griffin) while also going to his preferred city and allowing ORL to get maximum compernsation for him.
Clippers make too much sense.
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