Union Dissension, Court Arguments Highlight CBA Scene...But No Talks
by Net Income on Nov 3, 2011 7:11 AM EDT
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PrintThe players union meets Thursday to talk about strategy but those talks are the only ones scheduled as both sides are showing strains. David Stern fined Heat owner Micky Arison a half million dollars this week for suggesting a lack of unity among owners and now the two high profile union leaders seem at odds.
Howard Beck reports Derek Fisher and Billy Hunter have had an increasingly fractured relationship but both have denied that Fisher tried to cut a side deal with the NBA based on the 50-50 BRI split. And at least three players, Glen Davis, Samardo Samuels and Terrence Williams tweeted that they'd be willing to accept the even split and play.
Meanwhile, the two sides argued their case before a federal judge who declined to rule. Beck thinks it's possible negotiations could resume as early as Friday.
- N.B.A. Talks Resume (Between Union Officials) - Howard Beck - New York Times
- NBA Lockout -- NBPA to meet Thursday to discuss next move, sources say - Marc Stein - ESPN
- Hunter's actions in NBA labor talks weaken union - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- NBA asks judge to clear obstacle in talks - Larry Neumeister - AP
- During NBA lockout, only battles are happening in wrong kind of court - Frank Isola - New York Daily News
- NBA wastes day in court; NBPA to meet Thursday - Ben Golliver - CBS Sports
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This meeting will not help save the season
If anything, they are going to meet so Hunter can rally all of the union offcials to stand firm on 52.5%.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
Season will start in Dec. The players are already getting nervous. They will fold.
by power_njerz on Nov 3, 2011 7:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here is what I don't understand
“I’m willing to fight with the union,” Billups, 35, said. “Do I want to lose $14 million or whatever it might be? I don’t want to lose a dime. My career is almost over. I want all of that. But at the same time, I was in that other lockout (in 1998-99) and I know what those older guys were willing to do for me. … I’m in that position now and that’s where I stand.”
Why do players think that if they miss the entire seaon that they will gain leverage and sign a better (or more fair) CBA? They will lose millions of dollars, and will then sign a less fair deal than they are presented with now. I know the Owners will be losing money too, but they are the ones willing to sit it out.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
because
the last time a lockout happened the players got a lopsided CBA in their favor.
What they fail to realize is that this time around,
1. The Economy is $hit
2. Their union should have decertified long time ago, didn’t, and it’s now too late
I think the players will give in eventually. The rank and file will want to play and get their millions.
if the players have anything to say, and if the majority want 51, or 50/50..then the deal must be done
there should be a vote today by the players. and if they do vote they will take 51 or 50, Hunter will have no choice but to take it. and if he doesn’t, he is not doing his job as representing the players.
yup
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
The NBA - Where 2012 doesn't happen
Patrick Ewing - The NBA's all-time leader in rushing yards
Flooish pride...
Players should vote rank and file if they will accept a 50-50 deal. Cause truth be told if owners loose more $ are going to come back with a 60-40 deal. Kobe supports a 50-50 deal cause he knows the offer isn’t going to get much better
by Blkswizz on Nov 3, 2011 7:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm thinking nothing happens
as reports said the owners are willing to lose this season to get the best deal.
If nothing happens this week or next they could go below the 50-50 offer.
If that happens it’s a wrap.
Honestly I can see this happening. They already won. Why not go for the knockout punch.
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
Nah, if the players vote and agree to the 50-50, but owners move the goalpost to below 50, then public sentiment will go STRONGLY against the owners
The fans will go after owners with pitchforks
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
that won't mean nothing though
because the owners as stern said offer will get worse due to the missed games.
As for the public.
They don’t care about the NBA at least the majority
My lil man.....can't tell me god don't exist.
by killa kadafi191 on Nov 3, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
owners won't move the goalposts beyond 50/50 split.
that’s not to say they won’t backtrack on other more obscure points… it’s just that 50/50 is an easy soundbite that fans and media can easily understand and discuss.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
theres the rift right there
KG has made hundreds of millions in the NBA, big baby will be lucky to make 100mil.
Maybe this is the main reason for the lockout ?
“big baby will be lucky to make 100mil.”
Poor Big Baby…I feel his pain…(LOL)
he wont be back
Celts cant afford him and Green and they like Green better.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Miami on vets min.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Have no fear guys...our old friend T-Will is getting into the fray...
Houston Rockets forward Terrence Williams tweeted to the NBPA on Wednesday "Let’s play ball enough with the stare off."
Dave is angry at the dissidents
D_West30 David West
Let me find out u wanna “Play ball” cause u reckless with your chips…Im putting u on full blast….
D_West30 David West
Been warning of this lockout for years….
D_West30 David West
50/50 aint 50/50….READ….
D_West30 David West
Pro athlete Living check to check really…F***ing embarrassing…
Maybe David West wants the lockout to continue...
so he can further rehab his knee ?
Who’s going to pay him big bucks if that knee isn’t back to full strength ?
Injuries need time to fully heal. Maybe West benefits from having more time before signing as a free agent ?
David West would have to continue rehab on his own dime, no? NO team physician?
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
if a pro athlete is living check to check
you’re spending too much money
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
The NBA - Where 2012 doesn't happen
Patrick Ewing - The NBA's all-time leader in rushing yards
It's time to fold em'
Union has done all they can and small market owners (w/Paul Allen) hold the cards. Players have won for years and its a tough pill to swallow for sure, but the shoes on the other foot. Negotiations appear to have settled other issues.
52/48 would have allowed players a win…owners are determined to hold both fists up this time.
Lets start the season.
by Marine Park Crew on Nov 3, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
WFAN
just had an update that talks will resume Saturday? anyone else hear this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7185628/nba-talks-resume-saturday-source-says
"Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for Steve Jobs to win the lotto." - Chris Rock
The NBA - Where 2012 doesn't happen
Patrick Ewing - The NBA's all-time leader in rushing yards
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