Bondy: Don't Amnesty Outlaw Yet

I mentioned this in another thread, but if we’re worried about not meeting the minimum salary and holding onto cap space for 2012, we can kill two birds with one large one year contract for an aging veteran. I like Kenyon Martin, obvi, if he can weasel his way out of his Chinese deal (I’m sure there are ways, there always are).

If Nets strikeout in FA..Then there is no point in using the amnesty this year.

That’s why I don’t expect the Nets to use the amnesty immediately on December 9th, they’ll wait to see what happens.

but surely we could amnesty him this year and just spend that cap space on cheap one year guys that would offer more help and then still have that cap space come next summer.

if he is still that bad, no doubt, Amnesty on him.

I’ve kind of changed my mind on amnesty-ing Outlaw. At first it was a given for me, a no-brainer. Get rid of him and his contract, he’s way overpaid and we could use the extra cap room.

But on the other hand, with the new minimums teams have to meet in terms of their total team salary, we would wind up having to give that $7 million to someone else and we would likely overpay for a different player. From what I’ve read about the new CBA apparently the amnesty clause can be used any one time over the life of the CBA (10 years) per team. So worst case scenario, if we want to amnesty Outlaw next season we can rather than doing so this year and filling the salary void with another undeserving player.

recalling how the Mets went into CitiField with a mediocre team.

Although I have my doubts that top flight free agents will sign with the Nets while they are in Newark. It’s the unspoken issue: can a team that’s drawing 10,000 or fewer a night get a big star to sign.

Then read it and understood why.

Whether he would play better than last season or not, his contract is not well.
I don’t think Nets have to take him for 4 years.
The point is when Nets gonna amnesty him. Right now or next year.

Wait at least one year so you don’t have to fill random cap space to get to 85%.

absorb Marcus Camby contract???

Fill out the team with one year rentals. Or you could amnesty Outlaw and use the 7mill to resign the Hump and get a SF….meh I don’t like this actually.

Get rid of Outlaw.
Sign a Prince/Battier/Green because we need a 3 badly.
Resign the Hump
Get a one year rental bigman,

Done deal.

Terry is good , but he’ll be 35
Garnett is good , but he’ll be 36
Allen is good , but he’ll be 37
Wallace is good , but he would have to opt out first
Brand – meh

People are already crying about signing anyone that is even close to 30 years old , lol.

The hot young impact players are all restricted likely to be retained by their teams – Love , Gordon , etc.

Would they really save cap for guys like Ilyasova , Nocioni or restricted guys Mayo , Batum , Gallo , etc? Bleh.

But don’t trades absorbing salary require that the receiving team send out a comparable amount of salaries as well? If we send out a $4M player and ger back a $5M player that’s not really gonna help. I say we keep Outlaw until a free agent worth $7+ million actually agrees to come here. Until then, let him be the 7th man

hey if we do happen to get dwight howard, do you guys think someone like jeff green would be perfect playing beside him

A) undercurrent of Bondy’s article is Nets likely gonna stink it up this year… 20 to 25 wins in 66 game season

B) Nets are heading into Brooklyn with a skeleton crew. Deron is far from guarantee, and trading for Dwight is a long shot.

they could waive him and just trade for anyone who’s better for a TPE. There are several teams in the process of changing ownership, there might be some players on the block you might not expect.

and i aslo agree that there are only three or four UFA’s worth giving long term deals AND big money. but that doesnt mean the nets can give out smaller/shorter deals for role players.

if they amnesty outlaw they will have 32 million in payroll. 85% of 58 million is 49.3 so the nets would have to spend 17 million to get to just 85%. so how does this lead to bad spending if:

You go get the one of the few big FA’s. Like Nene for 10-13 million first year salary. Then you re-sign humphries if he’s willing to take 6 million or less. then go get a wing like Afflalo that you know is going to be money well spent and call it a day. as next year everybody on the nets can become a free agent via expiring deal or player/team option. so they’ll have talent but still have flexibility to move people to free up space or acquire a better talent

Or if you dont get a “BIG Fish”. You can stack the roster with cheaper role players. Chuck Hayes, Josh Mcroberts, Joel Pryzbilla, Jonas Jerebko, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Marcus Thornton, Aaron Afflalo, Reggie Evans and give them shorter but frontloaded deals. All who i’d rather pay and play in front of Travis

Wouldnt be suprised if BK pumped up and offer sheet for Afflalo, Thornton, or Jerebko and then gave Gaines the keys to the backup PG role and tried to ship out Morrow and Farmar-centered package for any of the following:

Josh Smith, Kirk Hinrich, Boris Diaw, Corey Maggette, Ronnie Brewer, Antawn Jamison, Jason Maxiell, Kevin Martin, James Posey, Randy Foye, Lamar Odom, Oj Mayo, Stephen Jackson, Beno Udrih, Martell Webster, Nate Robinson, Andres Nocioni, Marcus Camby, Greg Oden, Leandro Barbosa, or Mehmet Okur. Players that either expire after this year while eating up salary or expire after next year so if they arent producing BK will have to move them to free up space for 2012.

and also if none of this appeases you, they can also wait to see who gets waived under the amnesty provision, then waive outlaw and go claim some amnestied players to fill up his cap space hole and get to the 85%. Like lets say Rip Hamilton, Josh Childress, Brendan Haywood, Andris Biedrens, and John Salmons got waived. They could easily claim two of those players along with one or two of the aforementioned free agents and get to the 85% and still be a competitive team

Kevin Garnett
J O’neal
Ray Allen
Boris Diaw
DJ Augustin
Omer Asik
Derrick Rose(LOL)
Jamison
Maxiell
Ben Wallace
Kaman
Beasley
K-Love(LOL)
Camby
Okur

I’m just going to sit back and watch Billy go to work.

Kaman
Camby
Jamison
Wallace
Okur

oh nevermind lol i like camby

is Jordan Farmar for Mickael Pietrus (props to vc4pres)

Aaron Brooks is playing in China and won’t come back until next March or so. Gives them a young point who will be deluded into thinking he’ll eventually overtake Steve, and the Nets get a solid defensive player on an expiring deal.

we need to fill up the arena! Show support and root hard!

It won’t really benefit us because by next yr Lopez will be a free agent and will take up more cap space as well as D Will will make more money as well. Amnestying Outlaw than won’t really help by then. It would be more benificial now because you are way under the cap and you would have a clear advantage on signing a free agent.. Would you rather have Green or outlaw/no 1 at all in 2012/13? Nets have an opportunity now and they have to take it because by next year, other teams will have cap spaceas well. Sign Nene, resign Hump or sign Green and then sign Prince or Battier. If we have Lopez, Nene and Hump in the frountcourt rotation, no other team can really match up with us.. The Heat, Knicks and even the Celts will be outmuscled up front and will have a hard time matching up with the Nets..

C-Lopez, Petro, Pf-Nene,Hump Sf-Prince,James Sg- Ammo,Brooks Pg- D-Will, Farmar, Gaines

Or

C-Lopez, Petro, Pf-Nene, Big baby, Sf-Green, James, Sg-Ammo, Brooks, Pg- DWill, Farmar, Gaines

I’m surethis team would contend in the playoffs…

I would try to extend him before he breaks out and gain value

Imagine Bosh, Amare, Garnet and Boozer getting bruised up in the paint be Nene.. We need that Muscle if are going to keep Lopez..

just read that chris paul is definitely not staying in NO. if he goes to the knicks that would suck. know i feel like we have to get dwight

complete and utter garbage.

Makes no sense at all.

Outlaw is gonna get cut loose and with good reason.

can’t see them trading him before that weekend.if only all star weekend was in a different city this year!

He has never directly addressed or speculated one way or the other about Outlaw being amnestied. I have been looking for days for his insight as to the organizations intent here and nothing. It is almost as if he knows something and does not want to share.

If we can sign lewis before he clears waivers for 6 million a year, it could be a nice SF pickup. Better than AK, Prince, and even Battier. Combine him with Nene and Crawford and I would be satisfied with the off season.

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Bondy and some of these others guys don’t think outside the box enough, or truly inside the box cause what I’m about to say is not groundbreaking and most of the regulars here had the same ideas before me or at the same time.

You have to amnesty Travis.

You then use that cap space in trade by either taking on overpaid talented players on expiring contracts as stopgaps or useless players on expirings for draft picks.

The third is to just out and out take on salary in a blockbuster deal.

From what I have read, the deadline to use the amnesty is December 25th.

After that you cannot use it again until sometime in July at the start of the 2012 offseason.

You can’t risk having a trade scenario come up at some point in the season where you can now only match salary by including Outlaw, essentially and literally ensuring the deal is D.O.A.

You also can’t sacrifice being competitive at the expense of saving money.

It is flat out irresponsible and cheapskate status to not amnesty Outlaw.

There are a number of ways to hit the 85% salary floor besides signing mediocre free agents in a state of panic.

That is not an excuse to keep this abomination of a pro athlete on the roster and payroll for an extra season, it just is not.

Bondy should have done his research and gave this some thought if he wants to be taken seriously, a lot of his stuff comes off as uninformed fluff piece regurgitation.

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jeff1624 wrote:
Just curious, what expiring player could we realistically acquire?

treiz wrote:
^Exactly what I’m thinking. VC, you’re scenario seems like we’re going to be taking a boatload of expirings, how many can we acquire via trade that can also benefit us in 2012?

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Let’s simplify it.

Amnesty Outhouse brings us to around 22.5 mill in cap room.

By the new rule we basically have to have a minimum of $50 mill by the end of the season.

When you waive Outlaw, we are at about 36.

So you only have to make up 14.

One big signing like Nene or Chandler alone almost gets you there, or one trade like Iggy, Kevin Martin or a trade for a guy like Scola and signing say Wilson Chandler.

You can even just go all out expirings.

Guys like:
Camby
Kaman
Jamison
Nocioni
Diaw
Barbosa
Hinrich
Okur
etc.

Should be available for next to nothing.

I’m not saying all of them, but some of them will and they fill needs as stopgaps and keep us flexible for 2012. Hell it’s not like you acquire as many as you like, we can only go up to the cap without using salary filler above that number to match.

Then there’s those guys and a handful of others who aren’t even old or albatross’s, but are realistically acquirable in a small trade.

How about Farmar for Pietrus?

Farmar for C.J. Miles?

How about Atlanta? Would they do Hinrich for Farmar?

How about Petro for Nocioni?

Petro for Okur? Rumor is there’s a very good chance Utah amnesty’s Okur. Wouldn’t they prefer to straight up swap Okur for Petro, keep Johan for a year and if anything amnesty him next year for only around $2 million?

Or better yet, ride him out and save over $5 million including the vet min contract they would need to replace Okur in 2012, making it easier for them to reach the salary floor next season when they have a ton of cap but a suspect time getting people to a rebuilding team in Utah to meet that requirement?

And then save their amnesty as a what if?


The bottom line is, we have to amnesty Outlaw, it is not even a question.

Complete non-starter.

The idea has no legitimacy what so ever.

Even if you can’t attract good free agents, what would the plan be then?
Don’t try and trade for talent and just say to Deron, “Aww shucks, we couldn’t get anyone to sign here this year, so instead of trading for Okur and Barbosa, it’s on your shoulders to make Travis Outlaw a stud 6xth man.”?

And then the actual real deal, deal breaker?

What happens if you sign someone smaller like resigning the Hump for 7 mill and you keep Travis for the year?

Then you have to make some vet minimum signings.

Next thing you know, you have around $6 million of pure cap left for this season and not a single expiring contract.

Imagine Orlando comes a calling?

Or even a great move like Granger or LMA or the such?

And you need that cap or at least expirings to match salary but you no longer have it, so Outlaw has to be included per league salary matching rules?

His contract is so ghastly, that would literally be a deal breaker and so buh bye Dwight. :wave:
Buh bye Danny Granger! :wave: Buh bye LaMarcus Aldridge… :wave:

And then watch Granger wind up on the Rockets, Dwight to the Lakers and Aldridge to Minnesota!

All because, you know we were so worried about that big bad scary salary floor Stefan Bondy so sternly warned against.

Good thing we kept Travesty!

Whoo! That 85% is a killer. We really dodged that bullet.

Listen, it’s not happening.

I know this post is ridiculously long lol, but give it a read and please make it green just so it gets noticed and read.