The Killer B's' Weapons Cache
by Net Income on Nov 26, 2011 10:11 AM EST
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PrintThe details remain uncertain and may for a while. The resolution on big systems issues, which will most impact team's assets, have yet to be revealed. There are, as always, "B-list" issues, that have to be worked out as well.
Still, using what we know (and what we've heard), we've thrown together a compendium of the Nets assets Billy King and Bobby Marks will have to work withl when free agency begins in earnest (and that includes trades) on December 9. We're not guaranteeing it's complete, just that it's a reasonable guide.
- Nets players rejoice at end of NBA lockout - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- With NBA lockout over, the Nets have work to do - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- NBA Lockout Over: What The Nets Are Working With - Ryan Jones - SB Nation
- Five issues the Nets must address - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- Nets 2011-12 salary commitments - Mike Mazzeo - ESPN New York
- Top 3 Nets free-agent targets - Jared Zwerling - ESPN New York
- Nets must spend around $15 million in 2011-12 free agency - Devin Kharpertian - Nets Are Scorching
- The mid-level and Bird Rights - Zach Lowe - Sports Illustrated
- What was finally decided with those “thorny” system issues? - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
Cap Space:
The Nets finished the season about $870,000 over the cap after trading for Deron Williams and signing Gaines but more than $10 million under the luxury tax threshold. With the cap still set at $58 million and the luxury tax threshold at $70 million, and an amnesty for Travis Outlaw, the Nets should be $22.5 to $23 million under the cap. That number includes cap holds of nearly $500,000 for each roster spot under 12, as required under the old CBA. It does not include the $6.4 million cap hold for Kris Humphries would need to be renounced before the Nets would get all that space to use.
The amount of cap space should put the Nets in the first rank of NBA teams, with only the Pacers, Kings and Nuggets with less, before decisions are made on amnesty. The Wizards will drop below all of them should they, as expected, waive Rashard Lewis under the amnesty clause.
The players still under contract as of the CBA deal are Deron Williams, $16.9 million; Travis Outlaw, $$7.0 million; Anthony Morrow, $4.0 million; Jordan Farmar, $4.0 million; Johan Petro, $3.25 million; Brook Lopez, $3.1 million; Damion James, $1.2 million; MarShon Brooks, $954,000 -- rookie scale remains the same; Sundiata Gaines, $884,000 and Jordan Williams, $473,000. Plus you need to still factor in Stephen Graham who is currently on the roster at $1.1 million.
Graham's contract situation deserves special mention. The Nets have a team option to re-sign Graham for 2011-12. It expires the day before the season opens, presumably Christmas Eve. This makes his contract, while small, an attractive piece in a larger trade concluded before the season begins. Its value can be added to a trade but the receiving team can simply waive him and save his salary. The contract originally required the Nets to make the decision on the option by July 5, but was recently extended.
Brandan Wright, in the last year of his rookie contract, is a restricted free agent until the Nets renounce his cap hold. Sasha Vujacic, who signed with Efes Anadolu, and Mario West, who signed with Tezenis Verona, do not have NBA "outs" in their European contracts.
Most mentioned free agent targets: Tyson Chandler, Nene Hilario, Tayshaun Prince, Andrei Kirilenko, Caron Butler and Jamal Crawford.
Expiring contracts:
Williams of course can opt out at the end of 2011-02 and become a free agent, sign an extension, or play out his contract through 2012-13. Farmar also has a player option at the end of the season. The only true expiring contract is Gaines and assuming he gets only a one-year deal, Jordan Williams.
Again, the way the new CBA is structured, Williams will be able to make more money with the Nets, about $25 million, than he will anywhere else.
Draft rights:
The Nets hold the rights to Bojan Bogdanovic, selected in the 2011 draft. He is not expected to join the team until 2012-13, at the earliest.. As a second round pick, he can negotiate a contract beyond the rookie minimum. It's uncertain whether new CBA will permit teams to provide more than the current $500,000 to buyout packages for overseas players.
Draft picks:
The Nets have five picks over the next three years, three of their own two acquired in trades, including the Rockets' 2012 first rounder obtained in the Terrence Williams/Sasha Vujacic deal. The Rockets' 2012 pick is lottery-protected pick.Only two other teams have two first round picks in 2012 and in each case, their picks are protected as well.
Here are the details:
In 2012, the Nets have their own first round pick; the Rockets' first round pick (lottery-protected), acquired in the Terrence Williams trade; and the Heat's second round pick (unprotected), acquired along with Chris Quinn. Only two other teams have two first round picks in the 2012 draft which is viewed as one of the strongest in years.
In 2013 (and beyond), the Nets have their own first round pick.
In 2015 (and beyond) the Nets have their own second round picks, having sent their 2012 second rounder to the Warriors in the Brandan Wright trade; their 2013 second rounder (plus cash) to the Timberwolves in the Bojan Bogdanovic trade and their 2014 second rounder to the Celtics in the MarShon Brooks trade.
Regarding protections:
--The Rockets' 2012 first rounder. The pick is lottery protected (1-14) through 2016. If the Rockets pick falls in the lottery in 2012, the pick rolls over each year, again through 2016. In 2017, it would become a second round pick.
Until the Deron Williams' trade, the Nets had not traded one of their own first round picks since 1999, preferring to keep their picks and trade those acquired from other teams. (The last two first round picks the Nets traded turned into Matt Harpring and Wally Szczerbiak.)
Trade exception:
--an estimated $1.3 million exception acquired in the Deron Williams trade...if such exceptions exist in the new CBA. It expires at the trade deadline in 2012. There are (were) restrictions on its use ...it can't be traded with a player for example... but they can be valuable. If the Nets wanted to trade a draft pick to, or swap picks with, a team in return for a player, they can use a trade exception to do so. Trade exceptions can also be used to grab a player off the waiver wire if he makes less than the value of the TE plus $100,000. The status of TE's after the new CBA remains murky.
Mid-level and Low-level exceptions:
Assuming the Nets go over the cap and assuming reports on the mid-level and low-level excaptions are accurate, they will have an MLE of $5 million over four years. The two year LLE remains a mystery.
Bottom line?
Nets are the only NBA team that has a superstar, $20 million in cap space and two first round picks in the 2012 Draft, which is expected to be among the best in a long time.
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DH12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAKE IT HAPPEN KING!!!
Welcome to Nets City
by Jay2fly on Nov 26, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
certainly not to the nets in any case
which is why I’m adamant we preserve cap space for him. I think Billy will.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
I'm expecting a whiplash of trades that improve the team short term but preserve cap space for Dwight
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
Shoutout to NetsDaily
for continually posting little news yet keeping us enthralled day after day… The Nets might not have the most fans… but they sure have some Loyal SOBs …
NETS BASKETBALL IS BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by blazin pp face on Nov 26, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions 17 recs
Rec'd
The product on this site has been amazing. The fans too!
by nynjlawyer on Nov 26, 2011 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
NETS BASKETBALL IS BACK
OH MY GOODNESS…. GOODNESS GRACIOUS!
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
by TWilliAM on Nov 26, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
ND
is probably my favorite site
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
by netsareboss on Nov 26, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Good Morning to ALL!
It’s overwhelming and it will only get wilder in the upcoming weeks. BYE OUTLAW!!!!!!! I’m so excited. Bring on the new season. Tears….of happiness.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
and the joy just piles on
good bye outlaw
Outlaw?
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
by TWilliAM on Nov 26, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
i forgot that i made these
aren’t outlaw memes banned on here?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
what?
Outlaw memes live here
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
by netsareboss on Nov 26, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Can't wait!!!!
King knows what he needs to do to keep Deron, bring some players in. Get Tayshaun Prince as our SF and lets see what happens.
Welcome to Nets City
not just King
Mikhail knows how hard it took to get a superstar, he will not go without a fight in keeping him!
I am in favor of the Tayshaun Prince!
Especially if the term is right. Not giving him five years.
Oh pissing blimey there's jam coming out of the walls!
i thought nuggets picked up his option.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
give it shot wont hurt
are we suppose to only get unrestricted FA? i mean RFA should be targets too like a Marc Gasol
Focus should really be the front court.
Our back court is pretty good, all we need is some vet presence there.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
The Free agents
Nets need SF. They can upgrade any other position but with Deron and Brook (even Humphries was solid last yeat at 4) we need a dynamic wing. Graham isn’t even to come off the bench and outlaw needs 2 go.
Welcome to Nets City
King knows what he needs to do to keep Deron, bring some players in. Get Tayshaun Prince as our SF and lets see what happens.
conflicting sentences imo
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
hmm
exactly
but you seem to believe that a competitive roster can be assembled while still maintaining space to get Dwight in FA.
Dwight will now more than likely be S&T’d to a team of his choosing.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
and Jordan Williams. I think he’s already better than Petro now, lol.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
JWill might be headed to DLeague for heavy minutes
playing 30 mins could be more helpful especially early
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 26, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Armor needs height and muscle; JWill could use heavy minutes
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
NI, can we get an update on all the players
ex. FARMAR: wats the deal with his hand?
DWILL: any clue on his plans for coming over?
marshon/jwill/: when do they head to jersey
humphries: any news on his free agent intentions:
outlaw: is he looking for a new team?
petro: wheres he at? france?
DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Told we’re at least 10 days away from the CBA being officially ratified, meaning locked out NBA players must continue playing. Very awkward.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
haha akward indeed
how do u thin besiktas fans will react?
some ideas
I dont know how soon the overseas guys move, but poor Jordan Williams flew to Poland LAST NIGHT.
I had been told that on ratification, their contracts are back in force. Under the FIBA ruling, players with NBA contracts in force must return to the US. That applies ONLY to D-Will, Farmar and Gaines. J-Will does not have a NBA contract. He does have an NBA out in his Polish League contract.
Vujacic and Mario West (who the Nets told they’d like in training camp) do not have NBA “outs”.
Ben Uzoh is back in this country after bad experiences in Italy and Russia.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Nov 26, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
so what does this mean for Jordan Williams?
Is he screwed by a loop hole?
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
We wouldn't want to sign JWill until after free agency anyway, because it would save on cap space.
And also, I would think Nets would be willing to take a risk that JWill could be injured, because he would be getting valuable experience in the interim.
they may not sign Brooks til last minute as well
if same rookie scale rules apply (and I dont even know if they have been resolved), teams can give first round picks up to 20% bonus on signing. Until then, rookies are carried at scale. Once they are signed, the bonus gets added to cap space.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Sheridan wrote that League agreed to use same Rookie scale as last year (rather than a 12% cut).
Would be nice if that frees up about $1 million more for free agents.
any news from team proky?
could Proky pay all free agents up front?
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 26, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
as far as I know, front-loading still possible
AND restricted free agents will be able to get bigger offers and their teams will have less time to match.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Mario West?
wow. That’s reassuring that the Nets would like to give him a roster spot.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
even better
he can play for Outlaw’s roster spot.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
you mean Outlaw's bench spot
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Why would Nets be eligible for MLE right now. The way I read the LLE explanation, it seemed to be what Nets would get.
Would love to have Both MLE AND LLE though.
Still waiting for important details about the Extend and Trade. Sheridan reports it isn’t in new CBA, but others said it would be modified.
There needs to be significant financial motivation for DWill to sign contract soon. If they allow Extend and Trade, DWill might not agree to re-sign anytime soon.
re-read what I wrote
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Assuming the Nets go over the cap and assuming reports on the mid-level and low-level excaptions are accurate, they will have an MLE of $5 million over four years. The two year LLE remains a mystery.
The LLE is not a mystery according to Sheridan. He didn’t say if it was only for 2 years, as in previous proposal. You didn’t specify when the Nets could use the MLE. I would assume not until after July 1 2012.
the Nets will not be over the tax
so they will be able to use the MLE.
Capece?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Obviously, like anything in life, it's a balance.
King has to preserve cap-space for the 2012 free agency period, while also making the Nets a relatively competitive team in 2011.
The potentially option to amnesty Travis Outlaw provides King with a little more flexibility. He can fill the cap-space that Outlaw took up with a quality player, while still having enough space to potentially add you know who.
I expect (or rather hope) that King will look toward adding short-term contracts through trades and/or free-agency. He surely knows that the worst place the Nets can be is Hawks territory; hopefully, he’s learned from his mistakes with the Sixers.
Not sure if Jordan Willaims cleared customs yet in Poland and the kid needs to head back.
"Success is peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming." - John R. Wooden
by D Will to Succeed on Nov 26, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions
who wouldnt want to play for this guy
around 20 billion in hard assets, no ponzi $
Heli skiing, Biathalon, pimp scandal, extreme jet skiing, politician, AK47 at the crib and actually plays the game the players love
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 26, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
this is awesome
he should put out a rap album so he can use this as the cover
by sheepareevil on Nov 26, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yawn...streeeeeeeccchhh...mmm....
I have awaken from my slumber….!
Jet Black Ninja
8 > 3
by NJNM on Nov 26, 2011 11:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sheridan appears to be offline (sleeping) but he put this out earlier:
http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/11/26/nba-lockout-agreement-settlement-details/
The prohibition on luxury tax-paying teams from executing sign-and-trade deals was loosened, although the freedom to execute those types of deals will still be limited.
Not sure if this means that Orlando S&T Howard to Lakers? Very crucial. If Howard can’t go to Lakers or Dallas, Nets chances are much improved.
I had thought that S&T was allowed for next 2 years only, in previous proposal.
this makes teams
that are more appealing to players presently(REMEMBER, we are still the small market Nets until November 2012) back in play.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Just when I thought I was out...
THE PULLED ME BACK IN
Were they saying "Boo" or "Boo-urns?"
@SlayerSantana on Twitter
the BIG question, Net Income:
does this mean the return of the off-season reports!? :D
by soul driver on Nov 26, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
It's not the offseason.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
it is now PRESEASON!!!!!
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
66 Game Season:
Let’s see some preliminary record predictions. It’s never too early!
I’ll start with 40-26. (Totally random, not thought out number, just want to start the conversation)
well as of now this roster is good for about 28-30 wins not considering FAs or trades.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Let me explain my position:
My eyebrow raising has less to do with the return of basketball, and more to do with this:
Owners dropped their insistence on what would have been known as the Carmelo Anthony rule, preventing teams from executing extend-and-trade deals similar to the one that sent Anthony from the Denver Nuggets to the New York Knicks last season. This means that if Dwight Howard, Deron Williams and Chris Paul want to leverage their way out of Orlando, New Jersey and New Orleans, they will still be eligible to sign four-year extensions with their current teams before being immediately traded elsewhere.
We are still very susceptible to being held hostage by Deron Williams.
Even moreso now that we have pretty much one week to assemble a roster that can be not only a playoff team, but also have enough in the tank to land Dwight, and that is if someone doesn’t beat us to the punch and Dwight gets S&T’d elsewhere. The Lakers are still very much in play here.
I think that he’s not above doing the same thing that Melo did, especially since he has no real attachment to this franchise. Utah got rid of him for trinkets and baubles imo because they knew he’d play the game that his peers would play.
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
If your Miami Heat or Laker fan, teams that benefit from this garbage system, then yeah I see the joy. A Nets fan? I’d be concerned about getting bent over the rail by this guy.
Unless King does something incredible, and I hope he does because I think the dude has done an awesome job so far, we are about to commit salary and long term deals to FAs in a putrid class one year before the real players become available.
Also, Deron’s lack of committal to the team will hinder us. Can we really sign a Nene? Chandler? without our franchise player playing the fence…in public, at that?
If I were an NBA free agent, I would ask Williams directly why he is recruiting me to a team that he might bolt from in the summer.
If he isn’t going to sign an extension now, and he won’t, we have to seriously consider the fact that we may have to cut bait. And if we do, Brooklyn will be off to a slow start because we already know how hard it is to get one star without something already being in place.
If Billy has any trade scenarios that he’s been cooking up for the last few months, I hope he gets to use them because this ship doesn’t sail without trades.
Good luck King. GO NETS
I totally understand and respect your view on the dwill matter...
I would hate to see the nets being held hostage by him. I would also hate to see them make deals that could POSSIBLY help in the next couple of years, but cripple us in the future.
well
if he commits ahead of time, we can avoid this scenario.
he won’t, which means he plans on using us. Oh, can’t trade for Dwight? Signed Nene and other players and capped us out? TRADE ME WHERE I WANT TO GO, NOW.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Extend-and-trade is good for us...
…it means we can still get back good assets for him, as opposed to him just walking away after the season ends or having to trade him during the season for peanuts because teams don’t want to give good assets for a player who can’t sign. On the flipside, it also means trading for Dwight Howard during the season is actually a possible move as opposed to a stupid move.
yeah but looking at the bigger picture I’m not sure that we have the assets necessary to compete in a dwight trade scramble, and if we have to trade deron we will not get equal value back so I don’t get excited about that prospect.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but looking at the bigger picture I’m not sure that we have the assets necessary to compete in a dwight trade scramble, and if we have to trade deron we will not get equal value back so I don’t get excited about that prospect.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Except there's no reason to grant him that wish.
Such as if he says, “Trade me to Orlando!”, we say, “F UUUUUUUU!”
That simple.
He would have to compromise somewhere like OKC with top assets or walk on his own and lose a year and raise percentages.
He has no leverage to get to a team like Orlando or NYC.
He does have some leverage to make it somewhere like OKC or LAC though.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
No franchise
wants to be left looking like fools after what happened to the magic back in 1996. We will be forced to trade just like Denver was, and in hindsight now that trade did not yield them much of anything aside from a temporary playoff bump pre trade.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
But not to a place like Orlando that has hot trash to trade and negative absolute zero leverage.
Like Zero Kelvin level leverage.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
i dunno i never really think about orlando.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
better than being held hostage by any other player
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Proky already has an idea as to how hostage negotiations work, I am sure.
We will be fine.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
really? that sounds stupid. You’re just saying that because you like the guy. I like him too, but I don’t put it past him to play the Melo game with us.
I won’t take kindly to any player holding this team hostage, and I’m sure if that situation comes to pass, your opinion will not be “oh, its okay since its deron”
smh
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Here's the thing. You keep talking like it's a foregone conclusion D Will will D Bag it up.
Give him the benefit of the doubt and also see what moves are made in the next month before freaking out.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think it all comes down to having faith in Billy, Bobby, and Proky
They know what they got themselves into trading for a player like Deron Williams. They probably know Deron wants to play with Dwight, and they know that in order to win in this league, you need at least two top 10 superstars in your starting 5. I trust that they know what they have to do in order to make him happy.
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 26, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
that the Killers Bs and Prokhy know what they need to do
but can they do it is what I’m worried about. The deck is stacked against us.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
HYSTERICAL
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Hump's cap hold would be $6.08 million, not $6.4 million, if it hasn't changes from the last proposal.
190% x $3.2 million = $6.08 million.
If Nets were prepared to pay Hump more than $6.08 million, it would make little sense to renounce his rights.
Nets could go over the cap by signing Hump, then sign another player using their new LLE of $2.5 million.
Would Indiana or Milwaukee take a chance on Hump, after his recent ordeal...
Not to mention Hump may just be a better player because he is next to the weak rebounding Lopez, who plays away from the basket?
Hump should be the last person that we're thinking about, imo
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
foolish.
there are many players on our team worth less attention than hump. He is valuable. If we can keep him at a reasonable price he becomes a very valuable asset whether he stays a net or ends up elsewhere. He is a top rebounder in the league and a bruiser. This is valuable. It really is. Not sure its worth 6 million or whatever, but he has value.
by Nets! on Nov 26, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If the nets get hump for 5 mil, then it would be cool. Anything more, and it's a bad deal for the nets...
Hump had one decent year on a bad team…
I would give hump the same deal as outlaw.
Hump deserves it…Outlaw never did.
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
Hump deserves 7 mil a year? are you serious?
At least outlaw had a few decent years on a playoff team. What has hump done to desrve 7 mil a year?
I beg to differ
Over the last ten years name the guys who averaged double doubles for a season and then look at thier salaries and see how your argument looks. Hump gets boards and is a blue collar guy. He has value and it’s more than 4 mil a year. The fact that he produces even off the bench only adds to his value. Any contending team would love to have a guy like him on thier team.
He played well here. Not his fault he played with horrible wing players. And defensively I don’t really remember any PF in this league totally abusing him in the way that our wings got abused. Hump is an asset. And during the lockout he was one of the few NBA players who at least reminded us there was an NBA Made me proud he was a NET and that should remain the case for the next Three to four years.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Nov 26, 2011 3:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You want to look at history?
Check the players who were uber scrubs their whole career and suddenly broke out during the most important contract year of their career and life.
Tell me what you find in the years following.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
and look at how many of them averaged just 10 minutes a game for their career, then finally got PT and see what you find…
Let's see, why was it he never got playing time?
Especially when super scrubs who are out of the league were getting the minutes in front of him?
I don’t even want to get into this again.
It’s broken record verbose.
You have your opinion, I have mind.
I don’t even hate Hump, I am just very skeptical.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's not that simple and it should be obvious.
That is how guys like Jerome James and Josh Childress got the deals they did.
I’m not trying to infer he’s even close to as awful as those guys, I think Hump is pretty good, but I don’t see how you can’t be skeptical?
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
What if?
He doesn’t hustle as hard?
He loses focus?
He doesn’t care as much?
He stops being the dirty work guy and goes back to his MJ wannabee chucking ways?
He stops playing defense?
He stops working to improve?
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
How does Hump deserve it?
Right now he’s a totally unproved standard issue contract year phenom.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Easy solution to getting Hump on the cheap
Yormark offers Kim’s pimp Mom $3 million for Kim to take back Hump on the condition they live in Brooklyn. Nets low-balls Hump with $15m over 4 yrs. Kim dumps Hump on New Years Eve.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Hump should not be our first priority is what I’m saying. Why you feel the need to call someone foolish because they have that opinion is a bit weird.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
bigman rotation of
Lopez-Nene-Hump would be sick
@ HowardBeckNYT
Deal done, source says. NBA is back.
-November 26th, 3:17 am.
I like this
and would be fine with that rotation.
But will Deron?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
That would be a lot of money going into a decent-good big man rotation...
Lets not forget, lopez is a free agent after this season, and he is going to look to get paid.
he is going to be paid
don’t listen to the lopez bashers on here or in media circles: Lopez will receive top dollar.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think Indy would
pay him whatever he desired, same with Jamal Crawford.
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 26, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
it's $6.4 million, I am told
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Aaaaaaaaaand
Cue the anxiety of Dwill bolting us begin!!!!
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Nov 26, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions
Trade him the moment it looks like he would bolt...
…to another crappy team & try to recover some young talent and lottery picks for this year’s draft. Retain our own lottery pick and possible Houston pick for this deep draft. And with a little bit of lottery luck, we’re not really that screwed.
Another crappy team is not going to look to inherit our headache if it comes to that...
Our options will be limited but so will Detonate’s.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
that won't work
No one is taking Deron without the promise of an extension being signed.
we will be forced to trade him where ever he wants to play.
As of today, we are now in a hostage situation. Lets see who wins.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
yeah we are
but i have faith in our Front Office and Ownership. If he leaves he leaves, but i know they will do their best.
Mikhail saw how difficult it was to get a superstar in this league, he isnt going to let him go easily.
yeah
check my comments, I am not bashing the Nets front office at all, I am very supportive of King when others on here threw him under the bus before he was even a week into the job.
the situation we are in, being forced to appease a spoiled brat superstar within one week’s time is not ideal and I am not going to sit here and pretend that the odor in the air smells sweet
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
why are you calling him a spoiled brat?
What has he done to us? He didn’t force a trade, he got traded. He is very open about his position that he wants to win and that’s what Billy, Bobby and Proky intend to do. I don’t get your pessimism Mr $ bills
Its too early to think he will leave. Let the front office and ownership do their thing and lets worry about this next summer.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Let us just enjoy this season
worry about him leaving later on, maybe if we miss the playoffs or sign another Outlaw
why are we talking about trading Dwill again?
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
I understand too but I feel like it's too early to feel that way
Let ownership and the killing bees do their thing before jumping off a bridge.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Killing bees.
Lol.
Sorry, couldn’t help myself, I know it’s just a typo.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure
I doubt D-Will leaves, I think he understands we gave up a huge part of our future for him and I think he’ll take the option and play one year in Brooklyn and then see where the Nets are….
I understand that when he tweets things like “unless I get traded” in reply to playing for the Nets on opening night, are stupid and makes me question his loyalty but I just think it’s his attitude and not really his belief….plus his options to go somewhere else are rather limited (LAC, DAL?, OKC I just don’t see where he goes if he leaves…
He owes us nothing.
That is the reality of the situation.
Right now he’s a mercenary with no loyalty or reason for it.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
wilson chandler
Exactly what this team needs. Tough, athletic 3 that can play D at multiple positions. Give him an offer for when chinese league us finished. Denver likely wont match and we have a good building block for future. Misses 3 mos of season
by Sukka on Nov 26, 2011 12:02 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
LOL.
Anyone follow Wilson Chandler on Twitter?
One of the dumbest human beings I have the displeasure of listening to.
Every time I read one of his Tweets I get a little stupider.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Prince and Nene is the route to go
or maybe a jeff green, i dont know he seemed lost in boston maybe a bad system
Jeff Green stinks
i would be livid if we give him a long term deal.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
For real.
Same with Crawford.
I’ll throw up on myself and cry, then look for a Staind album, a bottle of vodka and a sharp razor.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'll just watch boxing dude
at least if i want to see my intelligence insulted by someone, at least I can see someone’s face getting bashed in while doing so.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, I can't wait for the Cotto/Margarito rematch!
It should be a great fight, but I think Cotto is going to destroy him in the late rounds. Just mangle him.
Hopefully his eye holds up and they don’t have to stop the fight early.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's like I'm eternally intrigued by his low IQ.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I want a contract
this big.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
RicBucher Ric Bucher
No official word on amnesty clause, but with BRI coming down so drastically, it’s almost a foregone conclusion that there will be one.
Bucher has broken no news
lame attempt now.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Agreed.
He’s a clown shoe.
Hopefully that means his Dwight definite to Brooklyn remarks don’t screw us, it seems every claim he’s made like that has gone in reverse.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
We are all super excited for amnesty BUT
We cant forget that every other team has the option to amnesty a high priced player from their roster, thus making them bigger players in free agency or sign and trades
Section15 Row 12 Seats 1&2
by Angelo Mihalitsianos on Nov 26, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
130 free agents plus whoever is amnestied
meaning one third of all NBA players will be free agents.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
free agents will not be enticed by jerseys, the will be enticed by deron williams signing an extension before he tries to recruit them
this is so ass backwards
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Absotruthly
No.
He’s one of our few decent trade chips, he could be gone almost immediately.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
I’d have to say that Brook and Marshon would be the first to go if we’d even imagine stealing dwight away from orlando
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
The nets are in a great position with cap space and draft picks, but the fact that they are trying to please dwill puts them in a bad position...
Think about it… Let’s say the nets sign nene to 13 mill a year, Prince to 7 mil a year, and for the sake of some fans on this site Hump for 6 mil a year. How good would this make the nets in the east? MAYBE the 4 or 5 seed. That’s a lot of money to be paying out to battle for a 4-5 seed.
thats a lot of speculation, too.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Ok... if i'm wrong, please give me a viable scenario...
Let’s say Orlando trades howard to L.A. (where Howard truly wants to be). Then what? tell me what do the nets do to compete with Miami, Chicago, Boston, and on the west, LA, OKC, Dallas, etc.?
and you know where Howard truly wants to be?
are you in his head? My bet would be that Howard truly wants to be in Orlando with a contender.
How would trading Williams make it easier to compete with those teams?
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Trading williams would not be for now... It would be for 3 years from now...
If we didn;t get howard, and king could finagle 2012 draft picks for deron williams (with the idea of building for the future), that would be much better than keeping williams and settling for mediocrity…
lol
so you would just give up on trying to be competitive for the next 3 years and pray for luck in the lottery? What a terrible strategy. The team has already missed the playoffs for 4 straight years and had a season in which they seriously challenged for the worst record in NBA history, and you want 3 more years of that?
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
You would rather we make the playoffs get to the first (maybe second round)
for the next 4 years. Dwill starts to slow down, and we have nothing else to build upon for the future- so we end up starting from scratch anyway…
I don't see why you think we would be locked into mediocrity
it’s much easier to build a contender with the best point guard in the NBA than it is without him. There’s nothing set in stone. Things happen. Times change. There will be other opportunities to improve the team.
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
But when there are not a lot of good pieces to build with in order to win right now,
what good is it to have one of the best pg’s in the league (who is 27 years old, in his prime and ready to win now)?
You have valid points, but we are just going to have to disagree on this one…
No, without a second legitimate star or Brook Lopez becoming that we would certainly be locked into mediocrity or at best a Chicago Bulls like faux contender.
Other teams are just too strong to go to war with Deron and a bunch of B listers for the long term.
Then again, you can’t predict future trades, stars become available every single season.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
A team with the best record..
The MVP, a great coach, defense, etc. that is really young is not a faux contender. They are for real and a threat for some time.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
when
will those opportunities happen? because we are pressed for time.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
really?
everything that we’ve read or heard says that we have to please Deron asap or he will not make it to Brooklyn next year.
So you can sit here and spin NI but the reality is that the Nets have a serious uphill climb if they want to make it to where we all want them to be.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
why would Dwill leave if we are trying hard to win?
where would he go? Dallas by himself? Who can offer him what we can?
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
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who knows what these players are thinking
he may just want to play for his hometown team. Dirk will still be in Dallas, as well as Cuban who after years of trying and spending got his team a title.
they are the defending champions, no matter how you spin it, they are more appealing to deron than we are.
and Cleveland tried hard to appease lebron, and he left them barefoot and pregnant. You keep thinking that Deron is a sweetheart that’ll give us a chance, hell he has already made it public that we’d better assemble something worth a damn this season or he’s gone
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
that was understood
he came from a playoff team and a sold out arena almost every game at energy solutions to newark and nets fan being depressed, and missing the playoffs.
Who are we hearing this from, the likes of Broutard, Suckidan Buchersyndrome?
IIRC, King and D Will talked about competing now, but remaining flexible for the future a number of times in interviews last year.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
really?
can you link me? not that his word means much but I’d be impressed reading an NBA player actually thinking about flexibility and what not instead of stomping his feet until he is traded to where he wants to go
sorry, i am not keen on this hostage garbage these superstar guys want to orchestrate.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
and sheridan
said that the Knicks were going to get Melo, and they did. He’s an ass, but pfft.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
thats the risk of having a superstar
Outlaw isnt going to hold us hostage. It is better to be in this situation than not. Who would you rather have who would be a FA this summer. It happens with all superstars, and you have this issue cause they are wanted.
i'd prefer to be in this situation
with a better crop of FAs to pursue.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would to remind people
of 2001-02 when after adding Kidd and a few other minor pieces (and getting Kittles back with no guarantee he’d be anything), the Nets went from 26 wins to 52 mainly because of Kidd.
KVH, KMart, Harris had all sucked the year before.
And Deron Williams is better today than he was when the Nets traded him. That wrist has bothered him for two years: it was misdiagnosed by Jazz doctors, corrected by Nets doctors.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
we have players with no balls
Kmart Kiddles and Kidd were bulls… we have no Kmart now.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Yeah... But...
The east was a joke back then. Our biggest nemesis was boston led by paul pierce and antoine walker. During those years, everyone knew the NBA champions were coming out of the west. The east was super weak…
by aug93 on Nov 26, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the East was weak, but that's not really true
the Nets could have easily beaten the Kings in a 7 game series in 2002. The only Western teams that the Nets had absolutely no shot of competing with were the Lakers and Mavs (because they couldn’t keep pace with them offensively).
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way we would have beat that kings team... The lakers barely beat them...
by aug93 on Nov 26, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's about matchups
It’s irrelevant how the Kings did against the Lakers. The Nets matched up very well with the Kings. I still remember that game where they blew the Kings out by 40. They matched up terribly with the Lakers.
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
We will never know what would have happened if the kings were in the finals...
What we do know is the nets played 2 different teams in the finals (lakers, spurs). And we (nor any other eastern conference team) did not stand a chance against either one of them…
that's also incorrect
the Nets had a very good chance to beat the Spurs. And if Byron Scott wasn’t one of the absolute worst coaches in the NBA, that series would have gone to a game 7.
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
LOL... we had NO CHANCE of beating the spurs...
I think it was a moral victory that we got 2 games on them…
Word.
We had no chance at beating either how we were built.
Should have traded KMart for Sheed when we had the chance, but Thorn turned it down.
We would have had a much more legitimate shot with him and Detroit would have never become who they were.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
we could have competed with them
but saying we’d beast them EASILY is a load of hot air.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
East is very top heavy
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
East was wack back then for the most part, like epically awful
Now the East looks like it’s going to be the top conference again.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
it is
and if we don’t build a team within one week that can compete with the dogs of the east, we will be forced to trade our best player since Kidd for pennies on the d
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
this isn't 2001
stop it. We did not play in the same conference with the Bulls or Heat of today at that time.
you are trying to spin to divert attention from the fact that this franchise can be screwed hard within 8 months time.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
nice
that gaff feels like a millennium ago at this point lol
by sheepareevil on Nov 26, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Wait we have to wait till dec 9th
To sign people or trade? I can’t wait any longerrrr
by xxxnets5xxx on Nov 26, 2011 12:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
with amnesty, 58m cap and mini mle for teams under the cap this could be possible
one of Nene, West or Chandler
one of AK, Prince or Battier
re-sign the Hump
VC for the 2.5M mini mle
Perfect
That team might just be better than Chicago.
Bulls:
Rose/Watson
Mcgrady (according to Stephen A)/Brewer/Korver
Deng/Brewer/Butler
Boozer/Taj
Noah/Asik
Nets:
Deron/Farmar/Gaines
Carter/Morrow/Brooks
AK or Battier/James
Nene or Chandler/Hump/JWill
Lopez/Petro
That’s a DEEP lineup surrounding a superstar (Deron Williams). We would be better then most would expect. Also, notice how much the defense would improve. Deron, Ak or Battier, James, Nene or Chandler are all very tough defenders and would vastly improve our team D.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
And we could still make a package out of our assets of Lopez/Brooks/Farmar/Morrow/picks/cash/Bogdanovic/Nene/Hump
I’m sure if Dwight saw us winning, he’d probably do his best to force his way here (like Melo) and we could still make a respectable offer.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
UGH
It should be Nene/Chandler/AK/Prince/Hump. NO Crawford please.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Okay now Kerber said it also
Nets and D-Will both must want him then.
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 26, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah D-Will wants him
kinda like how Lebron wanted the Cavs to lock down Anderson Varejao long term.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Dear god please no Crawful!
I will literally throw up in my mouth.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Crawful is an awful player who puts up middling low impact ball stopping numbers that fool casual fans and people that don't watch him play regularly into thinking he's good.
He’s had literally one good season his entire career, the rest he’s been a Rocketdyne toxic chemical fire.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Don’t want him. I would rather just pick up Vince Carter with the new LLE provision.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's like Hedo.
When you jack up that many disgusting shots eventually some go in.
He is trash.
Type of player that will shoot you out of a game twice as many times as he’ll help shoot you into it.
And he didn’t have nearly as many great playoff moments as people exaggerate, there are a small handful.
It’s easy to hit game winners on a 30 win Knix or GSW team when you’re jacking up 25 shots on low efficiency ensuring games you should be crushing are close and then undeservedly being gifted so many hero opportunities cause there’s no one else to do it.
Don’t remember some of the insanely awful last minute attempts by him when he was on the Knix?
Youtube it.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
This just shows your train of thought is off track and you're thinking emotionally cause you're excited, which I understand.
KG, Gasol and Ray Allen put up monster numbers while perennially leading barren squads to the playoffs as “the guy”.
They were out and out franchise cornerstone players and superstars.
They have as much in common with Crawford as Anthony Morrow does with Reggie Miller or Manu Ginobili.
That’s being to generous cause Morrow is a good and desirable player.
They have as much in common with Crawford as Corey Maggette does with Vince Carter and Kobe Bryant.
That is a perfect analogy.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Jamal
can run the 2nd unit with farmar ^^ not to shabby, depends on the price and if Deron wants him.
we need to upgrade the 3/4/5 instead of worrying about J Crawford methinks.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
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Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
how many times last year
did we struggle in offense when Deron was out of the game? We need pop in our 2nd unit as well.
thank you danxcr
Jamal Crawford is a hell of a player, last season against minnesota we scored 7 points in a qrt. Crawford has no problem with providing offense..thats what we need!!!
i am just stating what i saw last year
the nets 2nd unit when Deron was out was unwatchable. We had like 5-7min droughts of no FGs… Because no one could create a shot for themselves. One thing Jamal can do is score in the NBA, but does Deron want him, Our front office comprises now of Killer Bs and Deron
Sure Crawford can score, on crap efficiency most of his years.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Advanced stats please!
Crawford is a naturally talented player with great abilities that he misuses because of his putrid BBIQ and style of play.
He is not a great player.
He’s a chucker whose been passed around the league for peanuts like a fat butter face groupie.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
always? he's only been in three total playoff series
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 27, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
not interested
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
DWest guarding Lebron/Melo/Durant/Pierce?
(Shudders)
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
deandre jordan
he’s restricted but it can’t hurt to make him an offer. don’t assume you can’t get him – the clippers do some strange things
a fan asked deron on twitter if hed be playing for the nets on opening day
and he said unless i get traded again. i wonder whwn the trade deadline will be on a shortened season?
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 26, 2011 12:47 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Tongue in cheek or Yikes?
Let the paranoia begin!
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
would be tight
they had four days rest either side last year.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I would imagine they'd keep it the same
I live in Orlando and I know the community would be furious if it was canceled.
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dont see a reason as to why it would be cancelled.
All I know is that ASG voting will start immediately. Nets fans gonna have to vote to get two of our guys there.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I always forget that NOH is in the Western Conference.
But yeah, it will be Rose starting and hopefully D-Will behind him.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
the likely scenario
Wade and Rose. James and one of the Knicks forwards. Howard. It will be interesting to see whether Melo or Amare gets the vote.
by GrandKenyon6 on Nov 26, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
And we'll have MarShon in the Rookie Challenge
and PLEASE get Morrow to the 3pt Contest!
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he better get in last year
I think he would have last year but I thought he didn’t shoot the minimum amount of threes last year. Maybe Deron gets in the skills challenge, too.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
The luckiest we get
is Brook in the all star game. Would be amazing to see him have a season with something like 22 ppg, 9 rpg, 2bpg
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
We'd have to win some games
Part of the allstar voting is how many wins you get your team as well, unless you’re having a totally crazy Blake Griffin season
brook was the 2nd best C in the east during his sophmore year
but we only won 12 games so yeah we need to have a decent record and brook need to put up 20 + a respectable rebouding number(8) and some blocks.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
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Brook has never been the 2nd best center.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Pierce over Johnson or Granger/Iggy
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 26, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
They both will make it.
I think it's fine.
by NetsMets4Life on Nov 26, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
When are they going to announce our new PA announcer??
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions
fine i dont hate them.....i just dont like their style of commentating...
Dwight or bust....
Superbowl or bust...
That's not what a PA announcer is
A PA announcer is the arena public address announcer that Gary Sussman used to do.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Christmas came early!
And it comes two more times… On the 9th and on the 25th.
Go Nets!
As NI alluded to Im excited to see what king has up his sleeve. All these free agents have major red flags, so maybe trade is the way to go.
Really the only big name free agents I like right now are…
AK or Prince for less than $6m
Hump for less than $6m
Nene for under $13m
Chandler for under $10m
Green for under $7m
Otherwise we need to target players in trade…
Granger, iggy, s.jax, r.gay
Milsap, j.smith, scola
And of course any star that becomes available like Howard.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i dont think Green
will sign for 7M. Nene will be ok with 12 / year but long term.
You did put Prince as one of the FA, and he has no red flags, and was also a teammate of Deron in the USA redeem team.
greens value is low
And Boston is well over the cap for just six players. Hes also young with upside (trade value to others once he boosts his value) and can play the 3 or 4.
I like prince but he’s slowed down some and has a ton of miles on him. He also can only play SF. At least AK can play SF or pf.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah but Green
was lost, i think he can be better especially in the correct system. But he will still command more than 7M
I don't think Green should fetch too high of a paycheck
He’s a complementary piece ala Trevor Ariza or Shannon Brown on the Lakers. He’s not a guy you’re ever gonna turn to as a main piece, but he can complement you with a lot of different skills on offense.
Well how much does Boston actually like him after his showing last season
I’d be wary if I were Boston, I don’t wanna have the next Marvin Williams on me. Yeah, not that bad, but not that good either
I would give Green Outlaw money. He is very talented but did not fit in Boston and OKC has durant and Westbrook
He would be a very good 3rd option next to brook and Dwill.
Dwill/Farmar/Gaines
MorrowBrooks
Green/James
Nene/Hump
Lopez/Jwill
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Green reminds me of Danny Granger idk why
I feel like Green will have a breakout season soon
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Green is nothing like Danny Granger.
Green reminds me of Lamond Murray…
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Granger can get his shot no matter what
Green needs to be fed the ball and on occasion and put the ball on the floor and create for himself.
They played him at the 4 in OKC which is not his position
But OKC had durant so its understandable. Id give him a shot
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He has no position.
He’s a classic tweener.
Could make a so so medium minute bench rotation player.
Has been overused out of necessity and will now get overpaid drastically for nearly no reason other then he’s a big name and is restricted and young.
We’re not at that point in the cycle to blow money on a guy like him.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
greens value is low
That’s because he’s awful on whole wheat with a side of weaksauce.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
No.
I wish you guys would come to the darkside of advanced stats.
They are being used by most successful teams and ignored by mediocre bucket of teh suck operations.
Raw stats are simplistic measures that provide little context on how they were achieved.
Plus, just watching Green, what is there to really like?
He’s the certified preowned Hyundai version of Outlaw.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
that dude is ass
i love your take on things danxcr but we disagree on this subject lmao
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
hardly
He was good in Okc and never found a niche in Boston. Pair him with Deron Williams and he’s a great third option.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He is still young and was a top 5 pick for a reason
I’d give him a shot instead of washed up players like AK47 and Prince
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This argument is irrelevant.
Top 5 picks bust more often then a bunch of balloons floating into wires.
We’ve seen a 4 year sample size, he’s crap. Big name, shiny turd crap.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
He was so mediocre it hurts in OKC.
He was a highly overrated player with little to no impact playing sort of out of position cause he really doesn’t have one.
Thad Young is a lot better and Young is fool’s gold himself for sure.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I love the other guys, especially Harden.
Harden is going to be a monster in a couple years.
Second coming of Ginobiliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Two teams to look at is ATL and Portland
ATL has a lot of money committed to Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, and Al Horford. They could be looking to move people, as they are not going to use the clause on any of them.
Portland you know their situation with Roy and their whole roster, not championship caliber but over the tax.
I like Wallace and LMA
But I only see them amnestying Roy. I don’t get vc4p’s inkling lma could be made available. If Allen sells the team, I think the new owner wants talent there and lma is arguably a top 15 player signed to a nice deal. Wallace they just dealt for, so I don’t see him leaving either.
I also like Matthews but with Roy maybe gone they need to keep him.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is it outlandish?
Yes.
But if you can amnesty players you trade for…
Portland sends:
LMA
Roy
New Jersey/Brooklyn sends:
Brook Lopez
MarShon Brooks
Outlaw
Draft picks
Allen would save an absolute yacht load of cash.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
i think u can only amnesty
Those already on the roster… Not those you trade for. Also we are left with d.will and lma and no one else in that scenario.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aldridge is the best value out of all then Lopez
Roy is too injury prone. I would do this deal for sure.
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correct
and i have not heard lately about the stretch exception, which only would have applied to those signed AFTER the CBA
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If Needed LMA could play center.
If not trade for a guy like Okur or Kaman, or ask for Camby included, use him as a stopgap.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I would not trade Brook for LMA, that seems like a lateral move instead of vertical
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how you can say that.
LMA was a monster last year once it became his team and lead a group of decent players to a high seed and gave Dallas the most trouble out of any team they ran into.
He’s likely still not hit his ceiling and has a deadly pick and roll game but yet as never played with a point guard like Deron.
He’s young, athletic, long high BBIQ, high drive and passion yet cool and level headed and on a bargain of a contract.
What’s not to like?
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
LMA is a good player
and so is Brook.
LMA is a 20 and 7 guy, Brook was a 20 and 6 guy last year who really should be at 20 and 8 usually.
Lateral move imo.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Actually he was a 22 and 9 guy last year.
And look up his splits.
Was absurd after November when Roy went down.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
his defense was excellent too
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his defense is very underrated, he's one of the most fit big men and has great lateral quickness and knows how to use his length on D
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 26, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
BATUM BATUM BATUM
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I know but out of ATL and POR
my top 3 players that I want would be Batum. Aldridge and Smith in no order.
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still holding out some hope
that the nets can somehow get josh smith. Not trying to start an overwhelming “we have no assets to trade for him”. I wish King could pull it off, I really do.
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 26, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
As @uuords explains, Nets are required to use 85 percent of their cap under new CBA so they can’t just hold the space for next year
Dwight or bust....
Superbowl or bust...
That means nothing.
We can trade for expirings to make up the difference.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I certainly hope so!
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Important detail
Chris Mannix: Extend and trades (the Melo Rule) stay in, but are limited to three years 1 minute ago
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1eq27ehuX
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:40 PM EST reply actions
how does that change?
Wasn’t melo all about his 3 year 65m extension
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, yeah, you may be right about that.
Maybe Deron would still have leverage then…
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
maybe it is less dollar value
i know that was one of the things owners were fightin for, being controlled by players
this guy has a ton of leverage right now
he has us by the balls
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
no
I would prefer to be in this situation with King having at least more than a weeks time to build a roster that can be suitable enough for deron to want to stay, and a better crop of FAs to make offers to instead of the crap we see out there now
Nene? cool. But what if deron decides thats not enough?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Look...
I hear you and I agree with a lot of what you say MrDollarBills, however, the Nets cannot control what he does as you know, and even if he leaves, I would much rather be in a position where the Nets have a 4 (Nene) and a 5 (Lopez) locked down, the possibility of Brooks becoming a real player at the 2, and two # 1’s next year in a deep draft, as well as DWill coming off the books and giving us additional cap room (or getting solid players in return, which will no doubt be additional # 1’s) moving into the biggest and best arena in the game, in a city that has been salivating for a professional team for 50 years… It could be a whole lot worse… That said, who knows if Nene would even sign with us without a guarantee from DWill…. All the organization can do is its best to bring the best players in…
should be..
D.Will l farmar l gaines
Morrow l graham
D.James
Lopez l petro
Brooks hasn’t signed his rookie contract nor has Jordan Williams.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yep
dwill/farmar/gaines
morrow/brroks
d James/Graham
Jwlll
Lopez/Petro
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technically Outlaw is still on the roster
not for long though
I'm looking for Ray Finkle.....and a clean pair of shorts.
I already count him out
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I thought I heard that Gaines is a restricted FA
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
He's signed for aroun 900K for this season.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Gaines is GUARANTEED this year
no question.
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One thing to watch out for this season
How does Brook’s stamina hold up with the team playing more games per week than usual? Deron’s bound to have a gigantic year because of conditioning and possible free agent status (not so sleeper pick)
I am penciling Brook in as an allstar this year
anything else is a fail from him.
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If Chicago is on a 50 win track
I think It’s gonna be hard for Brook unless he puts up a double double with wins
everyone knows noah is a role player
No way would they put him over Lopez if the Nets are on track for a playoffs berth with Lopez going close to 20/9/2 while Noah with his usual 10/10/
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Well he gets the "Detroit clause" going for him
Remember that one year where Detroit was raising 70 win talks? They got like 4 allstars. When you have a team that is winning a supreme amount of games like Boston, they’re gonna give you multiple allstars
having a season is a good thing for the Nets
and if extend and trades aren’t prohibited, isn’t that a good thing for the Nets as well? Doesn’t that mean that they can piece together a nice roster this year and still be a player for Dwight?
I always thought the less time Deron spent around the team, the easier it would be for him to leave. He would have no connection with the team at all if the season was canceled and he became a free agent in 2012. True, the Nets possibly could have had a top 5 pick, and both Howard and Williams, but that would have been the absolute best case scenario. What about the flip side? Williams could have left and there was no guarantee we would have even had a top 5 pick. Who knows how the lottery would have been done. Despite Brooklyn and Prokhorov, the Nets still would have had to persuade Dwight to join a team coming off a 24 win season. The Nets could have been SOL. It’s illogical to assume the best would have happened with no season and it’s pretty difficult to become a contender overnight.
The better approach is to improve the team as much as possible now rather than waiting for 2012 before making any moves. Good players want to play on good teams and if the Nets become a winner, Howard (and other players) will notice. There will still be ways to acquire him. If he ends up somewhere else, at the least the Nets will still have some good players and a starting point rather than the nothing they would have had if they put all their eggs in the Howard basket and failed.
Sign Nene. He should be priority number 1. He is a good defender and good pick and roll player. He’d be a nice fit with Deron. The only worry I have with him is that he’s a poor rebounder and pairing him with Lopez might be a huge problem.
I don’t have a problem with Jamal Crawford. I wouldn’t break the bank for him, but he is a good player in the right role, and Morrow is definitely not a full time player. No one knows how Brooks will turn out and I think some of you are getting your hopes up a little too high for him. He was a late pick in a weak draft.
I like Kirilenko more than Prince and he might be cheaper.
Nene's rebounding was affected by the fact that denver has had excellent rebounders on those teams
But sign the Hump, Nene or D Jordan (2of3) and we should be good.
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No, Crawford is not a good player.
Stop fooling yourselves.
God forbid he winds up here, you guys will be pulling your hair out in clumps(well those who still have hair) after you watch him for a couple months night in, night out.
He’s horrendous
Not even just bad, but horrible.
Kills all flow of the offense, freezes everyone out, plays just turnstile matador defense, like flame thrower torched defense, dominates the ball and chucks up some of the most ridiculous throw the remote against the wall and have to run down to Comcast for a new one twice a week shots about 4 times per game.
You guys are going to have buyer’s remorse like you cannot grasp what so ever right now.
Like you will HATE this guy after 3 or 4 weeks. HATE him. Not just dislike him.
He’ll be like a talented Outlaw and will become the new meme here.
Dumpster fire.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Players are not a very objective judge of talent
I’m sure many players love Iverson and Shaq. Shawn Marion and Amare chose to leave Steve Nash’s side
Yeah, often players are strraight fools outside of recognizing other flat out stars.
Athletes are not the brightest crayons and fall for the ESPN moments harder then most fans.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
And that is why it's important to let GM's do their jobs if they are good GM's.
And not let the inmates run the asylum.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
well
we can’t say that we’re above this behavior now can we
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
No we can't.
I get that.
It’s going to be an interesting few months that’s for sure.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Agree... kinda
Especially since Crawford will probably want 8-10m per year. I could live with the guy for $5m assuming we trade morrow for a SF or pf upgrade, but I still wouldn’t be thrilled. One good season in Atlanta, followed by 1 mediocre season doesn’t make up for 10 years of chucking with no defense on losing teams.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I always thought the less time Deron spent around the team, the easier it would be for him to leave. He would have no connection with the team at all if the season was canceled and he became a free agent in 2012.
well, he can also spend 66 games with this team and decide that he isn’t pleased with what the Nets were able to accomplish
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone always says (and it's true) that you HAVE to have three good bigs to go somewhere in this league
Lopez, Nene or Chandler, and Hump or Landry would be a fantastic trio.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions
Chandler would be awesome in pick and rolls with Deron
and plays with intensity maybe rubbing off Lopez :(
His intensity would rub off on this whole team
We all saw what he did to Dallas’ defense. He could potentially have the same effect here.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if they resign him
Wouldn’t Dallas be out of the Deron speepstakes?
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
not certain what their contract situation is
but Mark will always bust his butt trying to build a contender.
I don't think they were ever planning on being in it
They’re all about doing what they can now, with Dirk, and that’s it.
Nene is only 29.
and healthy except his bout with testicular cancer. Would be a tough player, who always goes at it with Kendrick Perkins
We definitely have to get another big
We can’t have Petro logging any more minutes, JWill is a rookie so we don’t know what we’re getting out of him. We definitely need someone who can defend the rim. Hump is great at guarding his own man, but not always so great with team defense. Brook is a good shotblocker but he can’t move around too quickly. We need another guy to shore up that interior defense, Chandler would be worth the money for me. It might be seen as a dumb move later on, but I think it’s a decent risk, he’s the best defender out there. Chuck Hayes would be a nice addition but would Houston really let him go when he seems to be the perfect guy for Morey? Well they did let Battier go
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I don't think he would want to leave
He has a chance to be playing beside Blake Griffin and riding his coattails to success, I wouldn’t give that up
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yeah but im not organizing it this year
muwu is.
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AK47 or bust!
Prince put up deplorable #s last season.
by power_njerz on Nov 26, 2011 2:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
AK is wack as well.
This whole FA class is junk outside of Nene, Chandler and Afflalo and even they are questionable signs do to underlying circumstances.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
didn't he just get injured recently?
rather have Prince or Battier, AK47 has an extensive injury history
by JerseysFinest. on Nov 26, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
We need a scoring wing that can run the floor rebound and pass the ball. There is no better fit than AK47. Prince is on the fast decline. Battier is a good defender and thats about it at this point.
Jeff Green flat out sucks.
Thad Young is going to be overpaid by someone and he has no jumper and is not a good passer.
Ak47 just destroyed the Euroleague. We would be foolish not to take the chance on him especially since he will be cheaper than anyone else!
AK is a scoring wing all of a sudden?
Good to know.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Lets look at the #’s why dont we:
Tayshun:
Best ppg 14.7
Best rb 5.8
Best fg% .487
Best asts 3.3
Thats the best #’s in his career!
AK47:
Best ppg 16.5
Best asts 4.3
best rb 8.1
Best fg% .506
AK47 has proven that he can do it all. Tayshaun is the lesser player.
I've never said I was keen on Prince or that he was a scorer.
But AK is not a scorer, plain and simple.
There’s no argument to be made on the matter.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
He can give us an easy 15 ppg and thats all we need from there. Main thing is his ability to run, finish, pass and play defense.
I used scoring not in the sense of him dropping 30ppg. Just hitting his shots and finishing at the rim.
He's a highly overrated shooter and he's constantly injured.
Ironically almost seems like every time he gets aggressive and drives the paint too much it winds up in him breaking, spraining, tearing or straining something.
The answer to small forward for this team is not even available at all in this free agent class.
The answer to small forward for this team is either already on the roster or must be filled through trade.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Broken nose and concusion, was supposed to be out for nex 10 games.
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by D Will to Succeed on Nov 26, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Waving Lewis doesn't make much sense...don't expect us to
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, I heard the Wizards aren't going to amnesty Lewis because of the minimum salary rule
by dwill8brooklynbound on Nov 26, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Also, his contract is almost over anyway, why prolong it? Getting more high draft picks can only be good for a rebuilding team
Wizards gotta trade Andray Blatche though, he’s like the new Eddy Curry (in some ways)
I'm holding off on AB
for one more year…he’s making leadership noises, we’ve heard it before, but he has one more season before the faithful start to come down, I think
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Declined his QO (no surprise there)
And I doubt it…with our lineups at PF and C:
- Andray Blatche PF/C
- Trevor Booker PF
- Javale McGee PG/C
- Kevin Seraphin PF/C
- Hamady N’Diaye C And also amid rumors that:
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why, but when I play create a legend in 2K12, the Nets are obsessed with trading for Trevor Booker
They always trade away Vujacic or Farmar or someone for Booker
We would hang ourselves if we SIGNED Vujacic or Farmar...
Book is a fan favorite, tweener SF/PF who plays hard and nasty and never backs down…plus highlight reel quality dunks and fast as hell
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I think he just blew his knee out yesterday.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
oh god
that looks terrible. Good luck Yi
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
out a few weeks
sprain of ACL is initial diagnosis. Going to Hong Kong this week for additional testing.
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That pretty much guarantees it...
but even without it, with no electrifying FA targets, AND having to pay the man anway, little reason not to keep him around
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, I don't see the Wiz waiving him.
I said it months ago when I made a probably amnesty list.
Most disagree with me.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well good on you
For critical analysis :)
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Nov 26, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
On a different note, I think the Heat win the title this time though
They’re the right combination of youth and experience to handle the rigors of the tightened schedule, plus free agents will come running to them for sure
People are overrating the depth and size angle for them.
It’s certainly important but their star power is just insane.
They made it to the Finals last year without ever truly gelling.
They probably aren’t going to be the dynasty others envisioned, but they’ll win multiple titles and I don’t see anyone stopping them this year unless a team like us makes a huge move, or the Knix get CP3, or OKC, etc.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
they made the finals because they finally did gel
and bosh stepped up, and Boozer and Noah were useless in that series.
Because they rendered them useless.
Let’s give them some credit.
I hate the cHeat as much as the next man, but they are built to beast.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Miller is getting amnesty
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Really?
He would be a solid signing for cheap… maybe.
I mean has he really fallen off this hard already?
Or was it the situations he’s found himself in lately combined with injuries?
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
well he brought next to nothing due to his injuries
heat thought they could play small-ball with him in the backcourt and win. they found out not only they dont need him for how much money they gave him but they wont win many titles without a starting quality center and that its kind of hard to play uptempo when your system is predicated on half court defense and rebounding
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 27, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
But there will still be 66 games
More back to backs that will be torture for Kidd. But good thing for them is that their team is still mostly intact so no chemistry problems like what we’re gonna have to face yet again. Not only will we have a brand new team AGAIN, but they’ll only have a week or two of training camp to get to know each other. It’s been years since we’ve had a cohesive team, not since Vince left
They made a Cindarella run with Dirk having the most dominating playoff run since Jordan.
I’ve explained it over and over, they are not the model to follow.
They are not a sustainable contender.
No chance at another title or even Finals built the way they are.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
There's always a little glimmer of hope for me if you have a superstar like Dirk on board
But they were just a testament to team chemistry and the necessity of having a guy on your team who thinks he’s the ballsiest player on earth (maybe that could be Marshon)
Nah, they'll have problems in the long run trying to score without him
Outside of Z-Bo, they don’t have a truly threatening offensive player to help him out. They got by with their defense and physicality, but they still need Gay
Grizzlies should actually be a lesson to us
A step to being a great defensive team like we should be is getting the right guys for the job. They had Tony Allen and got Shane Battier. We used to be amazing defensively with Kidd, Kittles, young RJ, and KMart. Yeah coaching has to do with it too, but the guys themselves should want to do it and know how to do it. We’ve got some okay guys but no defensive specialists
He was actually interviewd on ESPN about 3 weeks ago and said himself he heard he might be on the block.
Interesting.
His salary is crazy though and it would almost definitely take Brook to get him in a 3 team deal.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
if we were able to get Nene or Tyson to play the 5
and trade lopez for Rudy, would that work? Off course we would have to amnesty Outlaw. What is Rudy’s contract?
15M / year
but he is solid scorer and he can also create his own shot. Plus his mid range is silky smooth :)
But we do not have the assets to get him
also Grizzles have a lot of money tied
to Zach Randolph (new extension)
Rudy Gay (max contract)
Marc Gasol will want money
That's the only reason they will trade him.
It’s probably just too much money for them to dole out for years upon years depending on what they have to match for Gasol.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
its amazing how the owners lock the players out, and will turn right around and run the same type of business(doling out max contracts to non superstars) as soon as things open again
the NBA is a joke.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 26, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much.
I wouldn’t doubt you see him get max from say Indiana and if Memphis doesn’t match Indiana does something along the lines of Hibbert and Hansbrough for Josh Smith.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well they must have known this was coming
I think they’re ready to pay for success. It’ll be OJ Mayo that gets the boot, and probably for cheap. Maybe Conley too in the right deal
Yes, I think Mayo is gone too, but he's low man on the totem pole and has little to do with Gay.
They signed Gay cause they pretty much had to and because they knew teams like Minnesota and us would give up huge value for him this year or next.
I used to dislike Gay a lot, but he looked like a completely different player from the summer games on last year, just transformed himself.
I always said you were signing Gay for what he could become, not what he was and so it was a bad idea, but he looks like the ultra rare case of a longer tenured young guy doing a 180 after he was rewarded with a fat contract.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well on the bright side, if Deron decides to leave
They’re supposedly gonna make it so that you need 2 years of college before going into the draft. That means stronger draft classes so maybe easier rebuilding
Deron should get back ASAP
And start organizing workouts again and stuff, it’s important everyone gets in shape (well the few who didn’t leave) and they get a feel for what it’s like to play together, especially the rookies
unrealistic
but the nets should offer nene a deal that averages 12 million per year. However, they should pay him 20-25 million this upoming season.
I wish we could do stuff like that.
Pay him like 60 over 4 years with 25 up front as a signing bonus and then like 9 mill flat a year.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
he will be able to get more than 12 per
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
CAron Butler!
How come he gets a pass in the injury prone talk and dude hasnt played a full season in god knows how long.
Dude is a beast when healthy but he is never healthy.
Butler's never been a beast.
It comes down to out of all the players in the NBA, you’re talking like 100 to 120 max who are really good helpful players, then there are a huge amount of scrubs and middling decent guys who get way overrated due to a couple seasons of really good play when they were in the perfect situation that they’ll never be able to duplicate.
I want nothing to do with this guy, his age and his injury and already declining skills et and athleticism that he so relied on, along with his waning desire to play any defense or pass the ball anymore.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
As for role players:
Guys I like that will be cheap:
Jonas Jerbko: Only 24, plays super hard, 6’10. Averaged 9 and 6 as a rookie. Missed last year with a hurt achilles.
Mbah a Moute: Young defensive stopper.
Kristic, Redd, Earl Clark!,
I like the idea of taking a shot on Earl Clark if he comes cheap.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
dumb, no personality
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I like jerebko too… And a host of others under the radar like….
D. Cunningham
G.Davis
Shawne Williams
LRMM
Josh mcroberts
Jason smith
All SF or PF. I really think we are set at the guard positions.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cunningham is going to be the new Petro or Najera.
Glen Davis is a sloth.
Shawne Williams I like a lot, but can he keep his head on straight?
LRMM is a liability on offense.
McRoberts could be a solid addition.
Jason Smith is perpetually injured.
Plus, I just think you have to avoid these type of players at all costs.
Mini-albatross contracts that clog the NEEDED 2012 cap.
What is the advantage to signing a guy like this instead of trading for a guy like Miles, Pietrus, Nocioni, Jamison, Camby, Kaman, Okur, Barbosa, etc., etc.?
None of those guys above are so good they become core members, they are not must gets.
Have to avoid these dime a dozen who cares guys.
They are available 24/7, 365, don’t stress that now.
Get stopgaps and replace them for the long term later.
NBA rosters are turned over CONSTANTLY.
Don’t lock yourself into the mind set and fallacy that these guys are lifers, they are so far from it.
All they become are more small contracts you have to worry about dumping in a whirlwind FA period in 2012.
Must keep near max open in 2012 excluding Brook’s cap hold. MUST. NOT AN OPTION, A NECESSITY.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
We are not going to have 2012 cap space
That’s why I like those guys…. To fill out a win now roster.
The only way we are getting dwight is through trade… Or if there was no season.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
this is clear IMO
We have to worry about keeping Deron before we worry about dwight. Meanwhile I don’t think NI, who knows are front office better than you or me, could be any more clear about this.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If we spend all the 2012 cap it is a recipe for disaster.
We’ll see though, but I would almost guarantee we keep open at least $12 million in 2012 cap not including Brook’s cap hold.
So with Brook’s cap hold about $3 million if Brook is still on the roster.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
not sure what you mean
About lopez. Right now he costs about 3m, his cap hold is about $9m next year. Do you think we trade him or renounce him?
Also, Are you thinking we don’t spend our all our money, or invest it in one year players?
I just think from the signs we’ve read here its all about keeping Deron and winning now. I think keeping cap space open for dwight is too risky. He might not make it to free agency, we might suck this season and may lose Deron.
D.Williams / farmar
Morrow / brooks
D.James /
J.Williams
Lopez / petro
+
One year players
Is all we can afford if we want to keep money open for Dwight. Yeah maybe we can dump farmar and petro, but we would still be a team that misses the playoffs, misses a top 5 pick and then has to hope Deron wants to stay and dwight wants and is still around to sign with us.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm saying that his cap hold is 9 and change and you keep open the option to renounce him or S&T him for something solid.
Or we trade him for a stud on rookie contract at the 11th hour of this year’s deadline.
And you guys aren’t getting it.
It’s better to put together a competitive stopgap team for this year with one big salary signing or trade and NOT ONE SINGLE OTHER CONTRACT TAKEN ON PAST 2012, then it is to fill the roster up with the likes of Jamal Freakin’ Bucket of Bloody Chum Crawful and Tayshaun About to be a Dinosaur Prince, Perpetually Injured AK, etc., wind up winning 47(82 game season projection #) games, getting beat badly in 6 games by the Heat in the 2nd round and Deron realizing this is a capped out topped out perennial 2nd round out with few trade assets left to get better.
Go big or go home.
Not go medium and strive to be the wack ass Atlanta Hawks and pray Deron sees something no one else can…
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
100 Drtg is top 10?
Or some other stat?
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 27, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, Drtg is points given up per 100 possessions. He’s #10.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_leaders.html
I knew what the stat was, I was just surprised a 100 rating was top 10.
Plus I looked it up with season finder and he was tied at 14th, but that didn’t break it down to the .’s
No stat is perfect, there’s always an anomaly here and there.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 28, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Billy King
Not many people have talked about trades, anyone who thinks our GM wasn’t trying to construct deals during the lockout must be crazy.
I’d hazard a guess that they have lined up different options and are ready to go upon free agency starting because all they were waiting on was to see the parameters of the new CBA to what extent trades etc would be made.
Billy King will know who he wants and what players are on the block, don’t be surprised by some big trades instead of just spending our cap. I just hope and prey we dont waste our assets on dungaverage players ala Crawford, aim for the sky Mr King.
Cant wait for the new season and im going to go out on a limb and call it……….massive trade for D12 at some point before the trade deadline to the Nets!!!
by N.Ireland Nets Fan on Nov 26, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions
I agree re trades
it;s Kings preference. He made six of them since being named GM.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Expect three-way trades to boot
I’m expecting a whiplash effect.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
It's about TIME....
back to basketball
Niners,Nets,Reds & USC!!!
The Most Interesting Man In The World---->Mikhail Prokhorov!!!
If the Nets have to use 85% of their cap space, they better use most of it on Nene and a small forward!
The only way the Nets are acquiring Dwight Howard is through a trade for Lopez, Nene, picks and prospects, and even then I doubt the Magic go for that- in fact, I doubt they trade him, period.
by mytoemytoe on Nov 26, 2011 6:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Theyd be foolish not to trade him
He’s been more blatant than most that he wants out. Denver learned from Cleveland and Toronto. I think Orlando and New Orleans will as well.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But if we spend the cap why the hell should they even trade him?
He loses all leverage.
We lose all leverage.
He’ll say, “Hey Otis I’m walking, trade me to Brooklyn.”
And Otis will say, “Yeah I’m good. You walk. You go sign there for MLE and have a grand ole time. Or you can go get max with a year less from Sacramento or maybe Indiana. You have fun their youngin’!”
I don’t think you guys get it.
Lebron, Bosh, Amar’e, Boozer, Melo, all these guys had leverage because the teams they had mutual interest in had the cap space to sign them outright.
If those teams didn’t have that cap space, those trades would have NEVER happened.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
It isnt all about us
There will be plenty of teams with 2012 cap space..
Indiana
LAC
NYK
Boston
Etc…
Maybe not all his top choices but his options.
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and he dont want to play for niether one!!!
LAL, MAVS and Brooklyn on his list last time i cheked. i dont get this BS with NENE? he aint woth 12+mills no sirr let me give you some examples_Boozer, brand Okafor etc all those over paid taram taram bust will not help at all. Teams havent even cut players yet, plus trades will defintly can put Nets in right position to make playoffs and keep cap space open for D12. Since we all know that our perimeter player aint worht shoot( Gramvp,outlow, james, farmar etc) we need some vet presence out there, i’ll give you couple D Stevenson plays good D, RJ will probebly going to be cut, AK, Prince and hump all this players will get 7 mills at best with short contracts.
D WILL-Gaines
D Stevenson-Swag-Morrow
RJ-AK-maybe Piutres
Hump-free agent
B LO-Petro both good trade players plus i expect Haywood will be cut by mavs(Chandler)
This lineup will put Nets in playoofs and we still have a cap space for D12
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Nov 26, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
ohh yes that lineup will make playoffs
Last year D Will worst line up than that and Jazz still where in playoofs while haveing all the drama with sloan. right after they traded d will jazz crashed down
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Nov 26, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
not as much as the Nets.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
BTW... if we do have cap for him
And he threatens to walk here, isn’t that more incentive for Orlando to trade him whereever they get the best deal based upon where he would extend or what teams would risk it? If Orlando is forced to either trade dwight here or lose him for nothing to walk here, I think Orlando resents us from the start and holds out on negotiaions as long they can to play chicken.
This is another reason why if we are going to use all our cap space we at least keep in mind getting young players with upside Orlando may want (green, thadeus young, nick young, affallo, Thornton, gasol, d.Jordan etc.)
by Jack Handy Jr on Nov 26, 2011 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
teams that you mantioned have no chance of keeping D12
OK lets say they trade him where they want him. that’s will put Nets even in Better position to sign him outright without loosing B LO. Last time i cheked Silver said he’s going to make panalties a lot higher than they’ve been before that’s ok because we have deepest pockets, therefore i bet B King will find some ways to make a cap room and give D12 max contract and it wont be 20 mills that’s for sure. with the lineup i posted up there belive me Nets can move any of those player in a sec
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Nov 26, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty obvious now Howard won't come via free agency
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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wow really?
i understand he might get traded but say he wont play out this year for magic is something that everyone should consider.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Nov 26, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
i understand peaple here trying to guess what line up is going to look like
but it’s to early to start thinkingabout it for now. since we dont know what players are going tobe released let B King and NI do the job and give us some to talk about. Plus we haven’t heard from D12 yet, i expect him to be traded right after all star game just like melo. but i wont be suprised if smith will take his chance and see what D12 is going to do why? after last years trade with that gm anything is posible
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Nov 26, 2011 7:32 PM EST reply actions
Here it is....
From Billy Hunter to players…
“e. Max Salary: A player finishing his rookie scale contract will be eligible to receive a maximum salary equal to 30% of the Cap (up from 25%) if he signs with his prior team and is either: 1st, 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA 2 times; an All-Star starter 2 times; or 1-time MVP.”
D-Will has twice been named to All-NBA team.
Also, from letter…
“h. Extend-and-Trade: The owners dropped their demand to eliminate extend-and-trades. As with sign-and-trades, players moving pursuant to an extend-and-trade may not receive Bird annual increases or one year longer maximum contract length.”
That means in an S&T or an E&T, no fifth year, and raises will be limited to 4.5%, not 7.5%. Bottom line: with these revised provisions, the Nets have $30+ million advantage, not $25 million.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Wow. That's a ton of money to pass up.
Does that include his option next year? I just can’t see him walking from that much $$, especially with Brooklyn next year. I cam only imagine the endorsement money he’ll pull in as the face of Brooklyn.
by nynjlawyer on Nov 26, 2011 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the CBA is aimed at giving owners and players stability incentives
Players get extra cash, owners get players to stay.
It’s much more lucrative in this CBA than it was under old one. You go, but you’re not getting as much money under any scenario, not sign and trade, not extend and trade.
This of course only applies to superstars. I’ll bet the number of players this applies to is less than 25…all three big free agents last year, Nash this year, all three big free agents next year plus players like Anthony, Stoudemire, Bryant, Kidd, Nowitzki and a handful of the others. Maybe Billups, Ben Wallace.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Some others
Duncan of course, Durant, Ginobili, Pierce, McGrady,
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
CORRECTION
told 30% is a way for those on rookie salary scale to get additional money when rookie contracts end.
However, the sign and trade restrictions and extend and trade restriction apply to D-Will and yes, $30 million is the Nets advantage.
FULL agreement
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/11/26/tentative.deal/index.html
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Then what is even the point of a S&T or E&T what so ever?
I don’t like that.
No way we get Dwight through free agency then.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 26, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
unless he is willing to give up BIG payday.
he is younger than the others, although not much younger than D-WIll, so he might do it.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Amnesty Waiver Procedure
A modified waiver process will be utilized for players waived pursuant to the Amnesty rule, under which teams with Room under the Cap can submit competing offers to assume some but not all of the player’s remaining contract. If a player’s contract is claimed in this manner, the remaining portion of the player’s salary will continue to be paid by the team that waived him.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
so its like restricted free agency plus the NFL waiver system?
you submit an offer of money/years you want to pay? do the years have to match the old contract or are we talking new contracts that (obviously) dont exceed the old contracts but can be significantly less than the old one if the bidders dont bid high.
like lets say baron davis is waived. he still has 29 million over 2 years left. So can teams only bid with 2 year offers or could say the Lakers offer a 3 year 16 million deal and the Heat offer a 4 year 22 million deal. Would Heat get baron and then the Cavs only have to pay the 7 million left over.
Rashard Lewis would be another great example to help explain this procedure because every team is waiting to see if washington waives him and his remaining 2 years/40 million
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 27, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
Interesting.
This CBA is going to be super complicated.
Larry Coon has his work cut out for him.
I can’t wait to dive in this thing, just not tonight. Probably not tomorrow either, but Monday for sure.
by vincecarter4pres on Nov 27, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
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