Nets To Lose Less With No Season?
by Net Income on Nov 15, 2011 5:42 AM EST
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Forbes, which chronicles what the rich do with their money, thinks that a lost season could benefit the Nets financial picture, that they're one of five NBA teams that will lose less money this year than they would have if the team played games. The financial picture was laid out a few days back by Mike Ozanian.
According to Forest City Enterprises, Bruce Ratner's parent company, the bulk of the team's $35+ million in losses will have to be eaten by the Cleveland firm. Under the 2009 deal between Ratner and Mikhail Prokhorov, the Russian agreed to handle up to 80% of the Nets losses in New Jersey with a ceiling of $60 million. That ceiling was reached in June and FCE is now responsible for much of the team's losses, just as it was before Prokhorov bought in.
And Prudential Center isn't going to miss the Nets much either. Bob Sommer, who runs the Rock, says the venue will be able to fill its dates whether the Nets play this season or not. “We won’t be financially disabled, perhaps we’ll even be better off," said Sommer. It appears the only people who will be hurt will be those dependent on the games for revenue, from restaurant and bar owners outside the arena to people like ball boys and scorekeepers inside.
- Five NBA Teams Would Lose Less Money With No Season - Mike Ozanian - Forbes
- NBA lockout, N.J. Nets sales will not hurt venue
- Bob Holt - New Jersey Newsroom
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This is of course assuming the same attendance as last year, right?
Isn’t it safe to assume a full year of D-Will would have not only improved the product on the floor but the attendance as well?
Doubt much difference
Last year in NJ. At the margins maybe but Nets have big expenses in including buyout of Izod lease ($2M upfront)
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Nov 15, 2011 7:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We had a tough time getting a sellout
when Nets made the Finals twice and when Carter, Kidd, and RJ use to play together, you think people would come to see a good PG with some no names? Especially driving all the way to the Rock?
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
DWILL
If there is no season, then what will motivate DWILL to stay with us? Don’t kid yourselves, we have much to lose if there is no season. I’ve written that both the players and the owners are idiots. But now, it’s the player’s union/non-union that is screwed up. I think the season is now lost for good. I am really bummed out.
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
If there is a season?
Wishful thinking. We all need to understand that there are owners out there willing to miss season…
Players pulled this move to gain leverage they haven’t had throughout this whole negotiating process. This move pretty much guarantees there will be no season, unless one of the parties give in, which at this point, seems very unlikely.
Ric Bucher reported that he's heard that Deron Williams and Dwight Howard have discussed playing together in the future. - Kevin Baumer
I been saying that for weeks... no 2011-12 season is bad for Nets.
Brooklyn Nets (the basketball organization) has too many unknowns and zero track record. If I were Deron’s agent, I’d advise him elsewhere.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Having a season might be equally bad...
…if not worse. We could get suckered into overpaying for mediocre free agents, then have a mediocre season and thereby losing DWill AND getting stuck with players that we signed in an attempt to get better AND we might not even have a good draft pick to go along with it.
Unfortunately the franchise is just in the tough position at this point in time. Not enough tradeable assets, not much in the way of free agents to sign, the need to perform well to keep D-Will as well as to appeal to new fans in Brooklyn, etc.
So like many people have been saying, not having the season could actually be a blessing in disguise if luck is on our side (a big IF) due to having cap room and a huge free agent pool, the possibility of having a high draft pick, and the appeal of Brooklyn.
by Proballxx on Nov 15, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the way I look at it
not having a season: Nets risk Deron walking away, beyond your control
having a season: Nets risk screwing up, which is within their control
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
by 3ptChucker on Nov 15, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
deron could walk away either way dude
your point doesn’t make much sense…
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
it's a subtle difference
like, you have a blind date with a hot chick tonight
a) Your car breaks down on the way home from work, you’re stuck in the middle of nowhere. Situation is out of your control, and you have to cancel the date about 1hr before meeting. Doesn’t make a good impression on her and she may not give you 2nd chance.
b) you ditch your car, hitchhike, run, jog, walk, crawl, do whatever you must to make the date. But you show up a complete mess. But at least you have the opportunity to salvage the situation by charming her to the best of your ability.
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
There's not much that the Nets have in their control...
…if there is a season. Its either spend on the crappy free agent pool or not spend. They don’t have enough assets to make trades that can make this team into a contender, and anything short of that could mean that Deron leaves.
I kinda agree with him
they play the game because nothing is set in stone. Nets have alot of potential to have at least made the playoffs, missing out on Free Agency along with other potential trades that could possibly be done. If anything, Nets have the most to lose if contracts aren’t rolled back and Williams opts out. They traded for him and gave away some godo pieces for a player that played a dozen games?
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Devin Harris was garbage
and the Nets front office knew that.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
What potential trades could have made our team a contender?
The proposal that the players killed banned all extend-and-trades and trade-and-extend deals. That means that had that agreement been ratified, there would be almost no chance that the Nets get DHoward or any other big stars.
We couldn’t sign free-agents and trade them within a six month period. We couldn’t trade for DHoward without him becoming a free agent. With all the free agents we sign, our cap space was going to be nil which means that there would be no chance of signing DHoward as a free agent.
Who else could have turned the tides and convince DWill to stay?
exactly
the Nets would have been up the CREEK if they were forced to try and assemble a contender within three weeks
Deron would have screwed us. No way in hell should any Nets fan want to see a season this year.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I want to see a season
No player is bigger than the team or basketball in general. I still wanna see basketball regardless
How can you shake your head at that?
I’ve stated it ad nauseum, but we are all aware that this is just a form of entertainment, right?
To hope for the cancellation of a season because it might stand to benefit the sports team you just happen to root for is ludicrous.
by Dopeness on Nov 15, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you just want to see your Knicks play. I understand bro.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
really
and what happens if the Nets go out, overspend on Nene and Prince, and Deron still leaves?
I’d rather have no season, and a chance to not only keep deron in 2012 but add another mega FA.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention more free agent options in 2012
We will have cap space a high pick in what will be a great draft and swag and Brook on chill. Superstars want to win but also good to be on a team with good young talent capable of shouldering the load once they pass thier prime. And we will have youth. Who ever we draft will likely be 20 or younger add in swag brook and that’s a nice young core.
And the allure and intrigue of Brooklyn and a brand spanking new billion dollar arena will prove to be a very attractive space. Everyone will want the chance to be king of Brooklyn
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Nov 15, 2011 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Dwill was a smart man he would be recruiting very hard for BK right now. If there is no season he Dwight and another could form a nucleus in a new kingdom.
I know it may seem easier to run to another team but I would imagine there can be no feeling like winning on a team you created from the ground up.
With the money we have, the picks and assets the BK Nets could quickly be one of the top 4 teams in the east and 8 teams in the NBA.
If no season…
Lopez
Dwight
AK47? Prince? Granger? Grant Hill?
Brooks/Morrow/Vince
Deron Farmar
Resigned Hump Djames and a top 6 rookie from a beast of a draft class off the bench.
We immediately fall behind Mia in ranking.
woah, why stop there with the pipe dream...
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
a pipe dream
is thinking that blowing our cap room on Nene and some third tier SF will be enough to make the Nets into contenders.
Then we end up like cleveland, with big money tied into players that aren’t superstars. Screw that.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Amen to that Brother $$
I would rather have Anthony Davis/Jared Sullinger as my PF with money to throw at D12 Deron and other 2012 free Agents.
2012 free agency means we can get D12 and keep Brook. I love the idea of having the best 2 centers in the league together. With D-Will running point add in swag and a Harrison Barnes/Mike Gilchrist and some seasoned vets. Instant top 3 team in the east.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Nov 15, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it is d12 or bust
whatever peaple might think, d will will only resign over here if nets will get d12. it would be great to keep b lo over here, that will make nets instant contender for years to come but untill this cba get’s worked out it’s way to early to guess.
by Aidar Berlinbayev on Nov 15, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
and we have the best chance at signing D12 if there is no season
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
He can try his best to recruit, but I doubt he can actually bring any stars to Brooklyn without a good team
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
what the hell is yahoo
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Question...
Who pays for the lawyers on the NBPA’s side??
that's something for the players to figure out in about 2 months
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Billy Hunter's salary too
Apparently, Billy Hunter is still going to get paid ($2.5 million) too, even though there is no union any more.
Haven't you heard...
Billy is now the head of the NBA Players Trade Association…
He is an experienced trial lawyer and will be one of three attorneys representing the players in court…He said this himself on NBA-TV last night…
hahahahahahahaha
The players have already hired two of the biggest, best-known, most EXPENSIVE law firms in the world to represent them in court, and they are going to turn to Billy Hunter to litigate. HAHAHAHAHA.
All I can tell you is that is what Billy Hunter said...
The lead attorneys will be him, Kessler and the guy who Al Gore hired during the recount mess in Florida in the 2000 Presidential election….
we are better off
Regardless of Williams walking away, I’d rather the Nets not cripple themselves by spending money on 2011 FAs when the 2012 market will be much better, on top of us possibly getting a top 5 pick in a loaded draft.
Williams can walk away EITHER way people, season or no season.
So instead of being left with the possibility of overpaying for non difference makers now, I’d rather wait for the 2012 class and have the chance at not only keeping Deron but possibly making a signing that makes us contenders.
Begging for a season just so that we can prove to deron how far away we are from being a contender is stupid
What I find really ironic about this last year...
is that the Nets finally get an owner with very deep pockets but if the hard-line owners get their way, it won’t really matter as much.
Who says the Nets aren’t a snake bitten franchise ? (LOL)
If he walks, and the Nets roster stays the same
we easily challenge that 76er record again.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see some of the free agents on the list for the 2012 season?
Why would the Nets’ roster stay the same? We’re going to have less than $16 million in salary committed to four players. If there’s still an amnesty clause, then that’ll take us to $9 million in payroll after Outlaw’s contract is deducted. At that point we will be so under the cap that we can assemble whatever superteam we want, with or without DWill.
Really?
Please oh pretty please, tell me the last time this team sign a star not named Outlaw or Jabari Smith
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
We'll see, but since many of you love mentioning that
I’ll gladly wait to laugh everyone who believe’s that will really change anything. You guys can believe what ever you want, but I’ll just wait to see who’s really the dumbest group of optimistic people here.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
Amare and Melo signed with the Knicks...
…didn’t they? The Knicks aka the crappy team with incompetent ownership and management that didn’t win a playoff game in ten years? the Knicks aka the team that sexually harasses? The Knicks who used Isiah Thomas and a guy on a wheelchair to recruit those guys? The Knicks???
Why is that? Duh Mecca? Then where is the Mecca located?
Figure it out for yourself.
I'll wait to see if the Infamous Toast actually coese true
which proves they had a plan all along. Another thing is Amare jumped on that $100 Million contract right away, insetad of staying with the Suns, which would have been a better team than the Knicks if he had stayed. It was also obvious that Melo was going to the Knicks when he refused to sign that extension, and was even willing to do the last thing he would want in this world and accept a trade to the Nets if that was his only way of getting that max deal. Those players cared more about money rather than winning, which can never be said for Howard or D-Willz because they’ve stated it. Melo and Amare wanted there money, and the Nets could have easily gotten them, but who would want to play for the Nets whether there in NJ or across the river? You can put a suite on a monkey, but its still a freaking monkey. Nets are still the same sorry franchise, only in a different building. But stay optimistic, because its people like you that make the realistic fans look like psychics :-)
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
what history will the nets have going into next year?
then compare that to the knicks history
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 15, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
This is all the history you need to know:
Nets = two championships
Knicks = two championships
Nets = four Finals appearances
Knicks = four Finals appearances
0 title buddy...ZERO
Dont BS and bring ABA into NBA.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why not?
Just because NBA decided to erase the ABA’s history when they took the teams in? The ABA was actually a more competitive league than the NBA back then… Interleague exhibition matchups were won by the ABA 75% of the time. The Nuggets (runnerups to the Nets in the 1976 ABA championship) was one of the best teams and won their division their first year in the NBA. The Nets would probably have a few more hardware were it not for the Knicks.
Meanwhile, the Knicks also won their only championships during the ABA years, so if you think the Nets’ titles shouldn’t count, then the Knicks’ shouldn’t either.
Also another year for D West knee to heal and him to get older so his price goes down
No season benefits the Nets in Soooo Many ways. 2012 we are the Brooklyn Nets. Just hope the players take thier court smacking well and get back Here in time for 2012. I would like to see a deal done in May. So that there is extra time for the Free Agent Frenzy and also plenty of time to focus on the draft.
RE-SIGN THE HUMP!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Nov 15, 2011 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just read
seems in line with Dave D’s usual garbage.
Neither side deserves sympathy, but from a fan perspective, I am all for eliminating the nonsense that CAA was orchestrating.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
why cant players play where they want and with who they want?
If I want to go work for BOA with my boys its fine. My current boss has no say in the matter. Its a job not a plantation
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
the players are free to play where they want
no one said that. Its just that these guys want to make their max salaries while playing with their other max salary buddies in major market and that kills the league in the long run when small market fans look at how the rich get richer and stop spending money on teams that are going NOWHERE.
Look at the bigger picture here.
If you want to play in the big market with your friends on a team that is already capped out, well you should be willing to take a massive paycut to do so. The players are not willing to do that.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
and I love
how people like to throw subtle slave or racist stuff in there when fans speak about limiting player movement
there was no such thing as multi million dollars slaves. Its intellectually dishonest and downright insulting.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
too true
I wish I could walk into any architectural firm in manhattan and say, “you’re paying me whatever I want to make, and no less than two of my good friends are coming along for the ride (and at the same price), but I can’t guarantee my results or a return on your investment.”
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 10:20 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
its ridiculous
to see honest, working americans sit here and defend these buffoons.
I would be grateful with just being able to make 5 million per season before taxes, I don’t care if I was stuck in Milwaukee or GASP New Jersey for a few months out of the year.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
The whole “plantation” comment is beyond absurd. We’re talking about some of the wealthiest people on the PLANET! Meanwhile 10% of the country can’t find work, despite how willing they are to concede salary/benefits in this economic climate, to make fractions of what an NBA player sees in one year
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 10:27 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
more like 17%
so for me to sit here and read stuff(and to be fair, DJ HD is not the first one to go down that route) about comparing these idiot players who make MILLIONS to plantation slaves picking cotton is beyond appalling.
The NBA players need a reality check and apparently so do the fans who think that these guys have it bad because the league wants to prevent it from being a 30 team league where only 4 or 5 teams are worth watching.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
its not absurd
What other sport is dominated by african american males? What other sport has a brown face on the TV every 5 seconds. Basketball is a star driven sport. More than any other. Do you fans will come out to see scabs play? Nope. In basketball 1 person can make more of a difference than in any other team sport. Not to say that players deserve to make millions but there is no other sport where a star is so important. These owners are billionaires and millions are nothing to them.
If some black billionaire offered to fund an alternative league we wouldn’t have a lockout. But there is only 1 and her cable channel is failing
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
nfl, MLB, Mls, golf
You’re seeing what you want to see, and I for one, want nothing to do with this “vision” of yours
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
A pitcher in MLB is more important when compared to players in any sports
and the dominated by African Americans is way off based. Hockey is dominated by Whites and Baseball is dominated by Latino’s, so they shouldn’t be considered a “plantation”. Way off base man, everyone in this world would love to work for this “plantation” some of you guys call the NBA.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
sign me up
I’ll gladly work for a ‘plantation’ that pays me an average of 8 million dollars and up per years to ‘toil away’ for 6 months a year plus playoffs.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't that he truth
if you want to see a plantation, go look up documentry’s about slavery, and see what a real plantation looks like for those of you bashing the NBA.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
DJ Heavyduty
needs to google “trans atlantic slave trade” and maybe then he’ll see the utter absurdity of his tasteless commentary.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I know plenty about the slave trade. 2 semesters of african american history and finished with an A. What I’m sayin is not absurd. You just think it is. Your opinion is not fact just like mine isnt
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
you cannot even compare the two
it’s utterly ridiculous
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
No you can't.
Slaves were regarded as garbage and NBA players make millions of dollars shooting a basketball.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
its not about money
Its about control and dictating terms of the labor agreement. If the NBA was being fair I wouldn’t make the comparision.
Its not literal slavery
It figuratively slavery when the owners make ultimatums on pay,and player movement
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
How is this fair?
The NBA is a bizz and owners are the BOSSES not the players. So the workers here make 57% of the profits which is more than the bosses themselves while about 25 of 30 teams are losing money… is that fair?
Even 50/50 is that fair? if you started your own bizz, have to pay salaries, have to pay for the arenas, player trips, etc and on top of everything the WORKERS are making MORE than you? WTF something is wrong here.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
dude
if they do not like the terms under which they are being paid MILLIONS, they are free to find another line of work. I’m sure that there are tons of employers lining up to hire a bunch of 6’8 college drop outs!!
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Control?
You guys can controll me all you want if your paying me millions, and that is just what it is. NBA players are employees, that make so much with lack of knowledge and education, that they feel they can holdout on the NBA. Send all fo them to Turkey or China then if they think were unfare. Guys like Fisher would have been a real fisherman in the real world in order to make money.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
i'm not totally on DJ's side
but you cant and thats where barrier goes up. You on an NBA roster is not going to make the bulls 50 million dollars in BRI like derrick rose essentially did. you arent going to get the lakers a massive tv deal because you had enough clout to force yourself from playing in new jersey or charlotte and then backed it up with 5 championships
Being an athlete requires elite skill and people do not go to NBA arenas to see even d-league talent so they arent going for rec league talent. Its entertainment, anybody can make music but CEO’s arent signing anyone to deals and people wont just buy anyone’s album.
i wouldnt say this is plantation but more of a Pimp strong-arming his streetwalkers with double backhands because he set himself up for failure with bad business decisions that reduced quantity of customers his streetwalkers could attract despite how hard they work and he takes it out on them even though they did their job and folllowed the system. He has the money, he screwed up.
Owners have billions. Why should i support greedy billionaires who recklessly spend on players with microfractured knees, cant draft worth a lick, dont know how to build a competitive roster, or refuse to build one because they need to maximize profit at the expense of the lacking quality on the court and then heckle the overweight player you paid for or cant run your casino business right but refuse to sell your franchise because you hope to dupe the fans into paying well more than what they need to for a new arena so you can flip that money into your pocket and hope your rookies win early before they are due a required pay raise
if the CEO’s of Ford and GM told Michigan workers to take paycuts or they are outsourcing jobs in attempt to dissolve their union and lose their benefits, you’d be all for the Union wouldnt you? Players need to give back but owners need a reality check, they have billions and are complaining about losing 30 million a year each despite them outbidding each other or just being bad at their jobs in general
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 15, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm…comparing NBA players and owners to streetwalkers and pimps….comparing NBA players and owners to Ford CEOs and union workers….hmm…yeah, apples, oranges.
no one is supporting greedy billionaires, btw.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
well you sure are taking it out on the players
like the owners are sacred. again its a lockout not a strike. owners are trying to blame the players for the system the owners created in 98 when the owners locked out back then too.
maybe this time the owners will get it right
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 15, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t forget the owners added teams thinning out profits for everyone
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
oh bull####
The owners are sacred? Please quote me and show me where I’m kissing the owners asses. I have said that both sides stink, but the players are not garnering sympathy from me with their garbage.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I love how
if you are critical of the players, you are in support of greedy owners. What a cop out
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Im for the owners
I think this whole CBA negotiation has just spun out of control because players want “power”, and owners will be pretty dumb to give it to them. Top that off with the 9 digit salaries there making, along with extra endorcements, there making more than alot of people in this WORLD. Players want power, let them buy the team ir take there talents else where, because thousand of basketball players on any level would kill to have the jobs they have.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
okay they make more than a lot of the people n the world but guess what
THE OWNERS MAKE MORE THAN THEM. the owners act like that in ten years lebron james will have made more profit than the Maloofs or Donald Sterling and if he does Lebron is either a brilliant man or the Maloofs need to be relieved of their NBA positions
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 15, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well doesn't Jordan own a team?
If owners didn’t have enough to own the team, players wouldn’t be making as much money as they do before. You can check up players lifetime salary just from the NBA, and see exactly how much these guys make.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
a pitcher that plays in 30 out of 162 games is no where near as important as Kobe or Lebron
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Really??? Try that argument with a detroit Tigers fan
That’s why that dude can possibly win the cy young and MVP in baseball. Bad argument. The team is .500 when he doesn’t pitch and was 24-5 when he did. He was the difference between winning that division and his team not making the playoffs.
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by MrBDown on Nov 15, 2011 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but he doesnt go out there every night to pitch
A basketball player factors into 100% of games.
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Basketball players also don't play efficient 100% of the time as well
45% fro mthe field for a SG is now the golden mark, which means they have to have alot of high % shooting games, along with alot of bad % shooting games.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
and pitchers arent throwing no-hitters
every 5-6 days they start. they cant even pitch a whole game 90% of the time
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 15, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
look bro
it is goddamn absurd for you to sit here and compare putting restrictions on NBA player movements to prevent a total collapse of the NBA’s small market venues to the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade. Period.
You are making a basketball parity and competitiveness issue out to be about race and you are wrong for that.
No one is saying that the players shouldn’t be paid their worth to their franchises. Preventing players from decimating small market clubs by forming superteams in major markets has nothing to do with any of that. You need to think hard about what you’re actually trying to do here because its poor form
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
if you say this lockout has no racial undertones you are wrong
Noone is holding the owners accountable, but the players are being blamed for the mess. Show me where David Stern and the NBA has shown the players ANY respect in these negotiations. Show me where the NBA has “compromised” in this “negotiation” they have made demands annd ultimatums.
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
what does that have to do with race????
I’m not saying that some folks aren’t looking at the players as a bunch of overpaid black thugs, but the players don’t have their ish together, that is clear. Had they decertified back in July, the NBA would have probably gotten their asses handed to them in court and they could have saved their season.
But trying to make a racial issue out of preventing players and AGENTS, WHITE AGENTS from dictating the landscape and competitive balance of the league is not only wrong it is dishonest, especially when you try to compare dudes that have grossed more than 100 million dollars in their careers to SLAVES.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
The respect was shown in the last few CBA deals that favored the players and put the system badly out of whack
Time for the players to take the L this time. Look at the deal the NFL players got. Thier sport is more violent makes way more money yet thier contracts aren’t gauranteed like the NBA.
The owners want control of thief league back. And if you pay 300 million for something you should have control of it. Players don’t deserve control. And players come and go. All these college kids and guys from overseas. They don’t have to be LeBron or Kobe. But new stars will rise and they always do.
I would pay to see Marshon with Harrison Barnes and some Euro league and D League guys play hard and play for blood and not act like divas. At the end of the day points come in 1’s, 2’s and 3’s. Anyone can score and the mass mega marketing machine can make anyone look great by shaping perspective.
Jeremy lamb, Austin Rivers, Kyrie Irving, Marshon Brooks, Harrison Barnes, Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, Jared Sullinger, Terrence Jones, Kemba Walker and so on are far from scabs. And I would pay to watch them play and grow. Let LeBron and Melo sit home unpaid and watch these kids play and get paid.
The NBA players even if they accepted the last offer would still have a better CBA than any other major sport in this country. But it’s still not enough.
The MLB is pretty close but they play ball almost year round. A full pre season and post season has the player seeing 200 games as opposed to the nba’s 100 games.
But the Nba’s system and model is broken 85% of the NBA players are overpaid and don’t live up to thier contracts it’s impossible to field a team with 15% of the quality for every team.
Be awesome if NBA deals were not guaranteed. Oh happy day. And if you didn’t preform up to your contract your team could simply cut you and then you could go play where ever you wanted. But if course after you have been cut your price would drop dramatically. Oh the quality of games we would have then. Guys wouldnt be so friendly with one another. Not much time to make friends when you are busy working on your game.
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by MrBDown on Nov 15, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
REC'D
instead of a job, these guys(like Lebron) treat these games like pick up runs with their BOYS.
Look at how Lebron played in the NBA Finals.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly and Did he give back any of that Max Money after that performance?
nope….lol
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The thing thats most mind boggling
is that players make there salaries no matter what happens to them. They have the Allan Houstons, the Travis Outlaws, 10 players on our team basically lol. The limited players movement is a touchy topic because if our team had Lebron and lost him, we would want his head for sure. The problem with todays NBA is that players forming there own teams, to contract themselves from the badder teams, which takes away the competitive fire we loved to see in decades ago.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
Lebron and friends took a pay cut to go 2 Mia
They knew they would have a limited team but didn’t complain about it. The Melo deal was the worst. He wanted his max. Period. I’m not sayin players are slaves but for Stern to make threats and ultimatums is disrespectful.
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
pay cut?!?
You mean from $17 million to $15.5 million? What ever are they to do, making such scraps? Someone help these guys out an point them towards the nearest soup kitchen!
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
you are the one who used the plantation rhetoric
so yes, you were comparing NBA players who make more than most 3rd world countries to slaves…you are off base.
and the idea that they took a paycut is laughable.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm
is that a paycut to you??
a paycut to me on this level would be Lebron and Bosh playing for the veteran’s minimum. Making 19 mil, 20 mil, 22 mil as the seasons go on? Oh yeah, those dudes had to make a sacrifice man
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Its not about the dollar amount. Its the mentality. I own you. How dare you leave!
Dan Gilbert
This is your pay like it or leave it
Stern
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
what?
NO one has said that Lebron was not free to leave. He was a free agent. What you’re talking about and what I’m talking about(restricting player movement for the sake of the overall product) are two different things and you are making it into a racial issue when it isn’t.
if the system was designed where players would have to take significantly less to play in big markets with their friends, this would not be an issue. Then it would be something I could respect because to go for 19 mil to 700,000 just to win a title means the guy just wants to win. If Melo was unable to be paid his max salary via sign and extend do you think he’d be on the knicks right now???
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
dan gilbert went nuts when lebron left
Look at MLB. No salary cap, player movement, and small markets in the world series and playoffs. Melo and Lebrons situations were different. Denver got compensation Cleveland didn’t.
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Gilbert's response was emotional
he bent over backwards for James. A lesson well learned, which is now why he is a hardliner.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
just because he bent over backwards didnt mean he was good
oh lebron chill with your homies, here’s a basketball court, etc, etc.
But i’m going to expect you to win with Larry Hughes, Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, Szczerbiak, Boobie Gibson, Mo Williams, etc.
Who signed those checks. The one person Lebron has still personally endorsed is Mike Brown and i dont blame the Lebron-Iso playbook he ran, the rest of the roster was terrible. best player he played with was carlos boozer and that was his rookie year
guess Paul Allen is right too. Yeah I gave brandon roy 80 million with two bad knees and consistently hurried him back from knee surgeries
Michael Jordan too. Oh let me trade away all my assets for a bunch of expensive veterans and hope they go deep in the playoffs. Let me draft Kwame Brown among other bad draft choices
The Wizards: Oh gilbert arenas averaged 18 and 6 on 14 shots a game on a bad team his second year. lets give him 85 million then after he has one serious knee surgery lets give him a 100 million dollar extension because he slightly bounced back for 15 games and wont have any further complications
and they wonder why they lose money. and lets not even start with sterling
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 15, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
no one said that the owners
were not responsible for stupid decisions. That is a straw man argument my friend
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Owners are not psychics
They have every right to create a system that prevents them from bad deals. Hey how about no more guaranteed deals? How would that work out? You don’t perform to your contract, you get hurt badly you get cut. Like the rest of the world. Maybe when you get cut you get 10% of the money from the next season as severance pay. That would be awesome and would stimulate great player movement. Of course when you get cut your value is deminished and your next contract is but a fraction of your old one.
The model presented seemed very fair.
1 max superstar per team
2 All star level
2 starter level
And filler
So no 3 Max guy teams. And they guys who have them now should pay for that luxury and not be allowed to improve on an already stacked deck.
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by MrBDown on Nov 15, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because this isn't a regular job
players make millions and there seen as an investment into the team. When Lebron left Cleavland, he crippled the Cav’s franchise.
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"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
along with the city's economy
If not the entire state. Poor little ohio
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 10:24 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
have u ever been to cleveland?
There’s nothing to do outside of the Flats. It snows everyday in the winter. I lived there before Lebron came
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I'm from Ohio
I lived outside of Cleveland. yes, I know how there isn’t anything to do
what does this have to do with the price of tea in china though?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Would you rather live in NJ or OH. Ill take Jerz all day
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
hmm…I liked my time in Ohio, I was younger but the people were more pleasant and life was slower imo.
I love NJ though since we’re near NY, we have Atlantic City(where I took a beating on the craps table about two weeks ago), and there’s generally more to do.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
For $50,000 a year, I'd live there
but apparently players that make 50 times that would leave just because of the location? Lets them go try finding a job with there HS diploma’s and lets see how far they make it.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
but again, Lebron was a free agent and was free to do that. That’s not the issue here, it is about the future viability of a league where the small market teams will be decimated every couple of years when the superstars all want to play in big markets.
If you support this kind of stuff(superteams), then you should be advocating for league wide contraction of about 6 small market franchises(and putting other players out of work), that way the problem will be lessened.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
there were other factors contributing to the demise of the NBA not just player salaries
HS and 1 and done players watering down the league
Expansion to small cities. Memphis, charlotte, NO
The Detroit incident
Recession
All this happened after the 98 CBA was signed
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not blaming player salaries
and I agree, expansion also added to this problem. In a sport where one guy makes the difference between a contender and a good team, it is idiocy to have 30 teams
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
So why is player salaries such a big issue when none of these other points are being talked about?
4 teams in cali? Really? I work in foreclosures in FL CA AZ NV CO the economy ain’t gettin any better any time soon
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
player salaries aren't an issue
its about preventing agents from controlling the NBA landscape, as well as ensuring that the small market teams actually have a chance to compete.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
what?
Salary is a big issue in this “negotiation”
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
no one cares
that travis outlaw level bums would have to make 2.5 mil instead of 5
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
they care that outlaw is makin 7 mill but only worth 3mil
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well you can look at it that 30 teams is a bit much
but if we had lesser teams, than what would be the point of watchign basketball? Even though a ima die hard Yankee’s fan, I would love to seee a underdog team win the world series such as the Royals or Rays or Nationals. Also, there are many good players that come off of a bad team because when giving the playing time, they can show off there game. Each team is allowed 15 players, yet 5-8 of them see major minutes while the others rot, only play due to injuries, or see garbage time. If the NFL and MLB can work with 30+ teams, I don’t see why the NBA can’t. The major problem is that last season was the first season, where I’ve seen 3 Top 10 players in there positions, all Free Agents, decide to join 1 team. And to have a player like Lebron, is just as good as having those Elite players such as Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Magic, etc.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
would you work in Tampa for 40k?
I was makin 60k workin in NY and moved Tampa not being able to find the same job and wages. Its not about money. Its about bein happy
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Would you be happy living on the streets if you weren't making enough? lol
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
i would find a job that pays me better
That’s what I did. I left the A/V field and went to foreclosures. Just like some players went to europe or china
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
So far I only see 1 "star" over there
its by far not a similiar situation at all, but a good sample size. These guys make great money for the few months they play, but location does play a factor, even if its in another country. But star players would never have gone oversea’s for what they might consider chump change, like $100,000 a year or so. Williams couldn’t turn dow nthe $5 Million deal he got, so he left, if he’s as happy over there as he is over here is unknown, but money rules this world. We kill for it, and if we don’t have it, or worthless and basically dead.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
Not his fault
Gilbert could have traded Lebron and got something but chose not to
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
why does a complete loss of season equate to deron leaving automatically?
If he’s in any way jaded towards Nets ownership due to the lockout, wouldn’t he be equally as jaded towards nba ownership in general?
Why are some people assuming the nets will bear the brunt of his anger while the other 29 teams could potentially benefit from that same anger?
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 9:49 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
The way I see it... Deron will either stay with the Nets or leave...
Nothing to confusing about that…in fact I’m pretty comfortable with it.
If Deron stays great and if he leaves we pick up the pieces and move forward…
exactly
Austin Rivers looks like a stud pg in the making
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with what you're saying
I just don’t understand the doom-and-gloom stance being taken towards the one potentially bright spot in this teams future. Nor do I understand the people devoting time to guessing deron’s thoughts.
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 10:06 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nets fans have had a pretty rough time ever since Kidd left...
They have rooted for a second class franchise playing in the giant shadow of the hated NY Knicks and sensing that no superstar free agent would ever really want to choose NJ as his destination…
That is why moving to Brooklyn might be the most important thing this franchise could do in order to make the Nets a first class NBA franchise going into the future…
Because
we traded 2 #3 picks and a average PG for a couple game rental? and future? This team is going to be screwed if they open up Brooklyn with Farmar, Outlaw, and Petro as there starters……Nets can go 0-82, and I look at you like its all gravy
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
by Shameer1016 on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Nets management knew the gamble they were taking...
when they traded for Deron and they still went thru with it…
I believe they felt what they gave up could be replaced (Harris, Favors, #6 pick in weak draft, etc) but Deron was a once in a lifetime opportunity to get better real quickly.
But they also knew he could walk, so if they are fine with the move so am I…
P.S. (I didn’t like the trade at the time but that’s don’t matter now)
King probably even put this lockout in consideration
Favors and #3 pick wouldnt be able to play this year and have no NBA guidance too.
At least Marshon and WIlliams have different attitudes and are more confident then Favors was. They will bounce back. I dont know about Favors and Kantor. Where Marshon plays a position where the ball is in his hands more, Favors and Kantor need some type of chemistry with the guards to be effective.
I am not really worried. This years draft will provide us with another VERY GOOD young piece.
Another thing is if the Season is cancelled, Dwill has to recoup all the money he lost. Where else is he going to go to help recover that lost $$$$. Dallas? Really!
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
No state income tax in Texas
That would help recoup some. Not to mention his family currently lives there, so that will cut back on personal travel expenses, and needing a second residence.
Deron is supposably making...
10 million dollars over in Turkey. No taxes plus fringe benefits makes his 5 million closer to 10.
I'm no tax attorney, but US citizen must file income tax regardless where he earned it
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
Zing
We’re all attorneys, GM’s, coaches, analysis, and payroll coordinators here
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
you really think
trading enes kanter and favors are that big of a gamble im not even sure either will be anymore than serviceable big men
by mightymosdefinition on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
we gave up next to nothing
I don’t know what the big deal is. Harris is a bum, Favors doesn’t look like he’ll be a superstar, and the drop in value between the 2nd and 3rd pick was astronomical
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Dont forget
if there is no season, Favors and Kantor cant develop. Favor already needed more PT to be even effective. Kantor is a bigger question mark.
Harris wasnt even a PG.
I agree losing Dwill will be hard, but are we really losing that much?
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if he doesn't want to be here
then no, we aren’t losing anything.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
You guys cant be serious
We gave up a young big man, #3 pick, and a average PG for a dozen games? We’re busting on Favors now because we don’t have him, but I pray he come’s back in some seasons and puts up 20-10 just to throw it in our face.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
i hope not
but what can we about that if it happens?
well, at least we’d have cap space
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think that trade was a pretty big gamble...
Two # 3 picks, GS pick and Deron Harris for a guy that might only have played 15 games for your franchise….
Is Favors even 20 years old yet ?
Hopefully Deron stays and the gamble pays off big time and if it doesn’t, we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and jump off the Brooklyn Bridge together…
by M I K E on Nov 15, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I Rec'd
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
Nets wouldn't have drafted Kanter
But Favors, 2011 #3 & 2012 GSW pick all had very good value. Most likely, the Nets would have slid up to #1 or #2 to draft Irving or Derrick Williams, plus retained assets.
I said it then & it looks like reality now. We took a huge risk. I said it then & it is scarier now: the DWill trade has the potential to be one of the worst trades in NBA history if the 2011-2012 season doesn’t happen, and DWill walks. That’s the perfect storm of misery for the Nets, but the first part of that is looking like it’s almost certain to come true.
If we played the 2011-2012 season & he walked, you could say it was worth a shot. If all we got out of Harris + 3 valuable draft picks was a few games of an injured DWill in an already hopeless season, then it goes down as an all-time bad trade.
by TheNetsFan on Nov 15, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that GS pick is heavily protected
we needed to pawn that pick off on a sucker one way or another
we gave up nothing imo, nothing that we can’t recover from
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
No it's not
In what world is top 7 protection heavily protected? It’s top 7 protected in 2012 & 2013, and top 6 protected in 2016. Very few teams, especially ones with legit talent (Ellis, Lee, Curry), finish with a top 7 pick 3 consecutive years.
the pick becomes a 2nd rd pick
after a certain number of years.
that pick is on par with the Houston pick that we got from the t-will deal
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close
The Houston pick top 14 protected. GSW pick is top 7 protected. That’s a huge difference (almost 25% of the league). For reference purposes, GSW had the 11th pick last year. You’re expecting them to do significantly worse for the next 3 years? That won’t happen. That pick will never become a 2nd rounder.
by TheNetsFan on Nov 15, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It can be a perfect storm of misery...
…or a perform storm of good luck resulting in multiple superstars in the team. That’s what taking a risk is about.
Even with the #1 pick in the draft we could still draft a bust or a Greg Oden, you never know. The couldas, shouldas and wouldas are a bit premature as there’s no certainty about anything at this point.
What would make it a perfect storm of good luck?
The only way we derive benefit now is if DWill only signs with us because of the extra Bird Rights money. Otherwise, we could have dumped Harris for Miller as was being reported & had the cap room to sign two max FAs in 2012.
I think someone already posted it...
but …
1) we luck out and get a top three pick
2) because of that and BROOKLYN we manage to convince both DWill and DHoward to sign, and through salary maneuvering manage to keep Lopez
3) $$$PROFIT$$$
GS pick is top 7 protected.
We gave up a #3 pick in a weak draft and protected pick that might not even go to Utah in next year’s deep draft.
you gotta love how Nets fans diss the value of a top 3 pick because we sent it to Utah and say oh it was a weaj draft
yet we should be convinced that a kid we took late in the first round in that same weak draft is gonna be a star.
by Andres B on Nov 15, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I understand what you are trying to say
but
your statement has holes too.
Arenas, Elis, Redd, Parker, and Batum says that there is potential for the kid pick late whether the draft was weak or not.
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On a weak draft...
…a top draft pick have as much chance at success as a low draft pick
Look at the 2000 draft – one of the worst draft classes of all time. The three picks that yielded All-Stars were #1 (Kenyon Martin), #19 (Jamaal Magloire), and #43 (Michael Redd).
Overrated, Overrated, and Over injured lol
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"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
The draft had some good players for a while
Swfit was good with the Grizzlies, Martin was a star with the Nets, Magloire with the Hornets, and Redd with the Bucks.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
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It's not like he was here for long.
No hard feelings if he goes. Just more damn bad luck.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Nov 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
it doesn't equate to him leaving
just like a full season wouldn’t be a guarantee that the guy would stay…AFTER THE NETS SIGN PLAYERS IN A WEAK FREE AGENT POOL at the risk of overpaying and killing our flexibility in the event that he DOES leave.
I’m not one of these folks that believe that the Nets should play this game that Williams wants to play. I like the guy, I want him here as the leader of the Nets, but he thinks he’s slick.
“Go out, spend money to improve the team by overpaying for guys like Nene and AK/Prince/Butler…and I’ll think about staying.”
You clearly understand now why Utah cut ties. I don’t blame them, or the Nets for making that trade. We had nothing to lose in dumping that bum Harris, a #3 pick in a garbage draft, and a prospect like Favors.
I’d rather we lose the season and put everything on the table in 2012 instead of playing children’s games with Deron Williams, you either are in it or you’re not. Oh, you want to go play for an aging Dallas team? Fine. We’ll draft our top 5 player and make offers towards people in a better FA pool.
Look at Cleveland and how their roster was after Lebron took a dump on them…loaded with guys making ridiculous money and not providing output. You overspend when you are on the cusp of a championship, not BEFORE.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
As a Nets fan Im still not worried
I wouldn’t mind missing the season. The positives out weigh the negatives. IMO DWill or any player would be foolish not to want to play for the Nets going forward
Brand new arena in Brooklyn
Opportunity to be an international star
Be the face of a franchise
Create your own history
An owner that wants to win big at all cost
Yes the Nets have a history of being bad but there is a history of greatness very few franchises can boast
2 recent finals appearances and 43 playoff wins in the last 10 years.
exactly
but we cannot assume that Deron or any other NBA players have the sense enough to weigh that out.
Deron is in a great position imo with this franchise going forward, but his public wavering has done us a huge disservice. Can you imagine this guy trying to lobby guys to come here if the season were to happen?
“Yeah, come play with us man we have a bright future”
“Really? So how come you won’t commit to the team publicly or sign an extension?”
“…………………………”
total and utter idiocy.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
you cant expect him to say he wants to stay day 1
He can still recruit and say “Dwight is in the pocket who’s comin too”
Every salesman needs a rebuttal or 5
Recruiting for BK will be easier than Utah
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
but if I was a player being recruited, I would immediately ask “why don’t you sign an extension?”
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you,
but IMO he is playing the LOCKOUT card.
1) F’ the establishment type of mentality.
2) Go to Europe.
3) Say that the UNION should have decertified since July.
4) Why should act like I want to be with my current NBA team? They Locked Me Out. IMO if he was still with UTAH, he would probably do and say the same things.
He may not be Kobe, James or Wade, but Dwill is trying to show that he is what a true Locked Out NBA Player should be or have been. IMO.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
I'm sure this sounds like a homer..
But I think no season all but guarantees that Dwight joins Deron in NJ. If we think about there, there isn’t another player out there Deron would want to play with more. FA2012 is going to consist of them two trying to figure out how to team up… and like we saw with Wade’s GM skills, NJ will be the most logical choice.
In addition, because we still have Lopez.. he can be traded for a STUD wing (provided the CBA isn’t that different with sign and trades), plus probably a high pick in a deep draft, and over 10 million in expiring contracts to bring in even more talent.
Call me a homer but, it seems real clear to me.
Deron and Dwight in Brooklyn is the most logical destination
major money, flexibility, major market, a possible top 5 pick in a lockout draft…
imo they could easily bring enough to counteract the Heat, Bulls, Thunder, and Lakers with having superstars at the two most important positions, but my opinion on the collective intelligence of NBA players has soured greatly.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with you on the intelligence..
But I just think it’s obvious that Deron wants to play with Dwight, and Dwight wants to play with CP3 or Deron. There aren’t many teams that can sign them both, and of the few that can.. it makes sense to try it in Jersey first. No sense taking less money and making enemies to play in a smaller market (not too many markets are the size of Brooklyn).
by KingofDenial on Nov 15, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
there isnt another team that can offer the market and a chance to play with another elite player and still have flexibilty to add key role player and you still get every penny
by mightymosdefinition on Nov 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
if Dwill or Dwight want to create their own Heat or Boston super team, it has to start with a team that has one of them ala Wade/Heat and Pierce/Boston.
1) Team A has to have a Star signed already. Magic have Dwight. Nets have Dwill
2) Team has to have cap space to sign STAR player. Magic are strapped. Dallas might have enough to sign one(Dwight or Dwill) but can they sign both and keep Dirk. Nets will have $$$$
3) Team has to be able to add solid role players to the roster. Magic will be strapped. Dallas have some role players but wont be able to keep them. Nets will have some extra $$ to get one or two solid vets.
So Dwill will have options but the reality is Brooklyn is the best choice if he pulls his best WADE impersonation.
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Why ...
Why does it have to start with a team that already has a superstar?
Unless you have
enough money to sign 2 MAX salaries, it is easier to have a star on your team first.
First, I dont think there will be any significant teams in the 2012-2013 season that will have enough money to sign two MAX contracts unless they can gut their teams like the Heat.
Second, Having one star already on the team helps to lure other stars ie. Wade/Heat, Pierce/Boston, and Amare/New York.
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and the Heat's gutting process
was not done in one offseason.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
To name a few
Nets (Amnesty Outlaw)
Nuggets
Celtics (If they amnesty Pierce)
Thunder
Suns (Amnesty Childress)
Cavs (Amnesty Davis)
Pacers
Clippers
Kings
Wizards
Timberwolves
Rockets (Amnesty Martin or Scola)
Spurs (Amnesty Ginobli or Jefferson)
Hornets (Amnesty Okafor)
That’s almost half the league that could have room for two max contracts if they’re willing to amnesty somebody. There could even be more teams than that. If everyone thought 2010 free agency was nuts, just wait to see what 2 years of expiring contracts, no 2011 free agency & an amnesty clause creates. Also, before you say there’s no way the Celtics amnesty Pierce, they won’t let him stand in the way of reloading their roster on the fly (Howard, West & Wallace joining Rondo is scary).
Very good...
…now cross out all those teams that players actually want to sign with and we’ll have the finalists to the DWill/DHoward sweepstakes
by Proballxx on Nov 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn
How many jobs are on hold during the lockout.
by Zartan on Nov 15, 2011 10:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
tons
poor players….who cares about the security guards, the arena workers, etc etc
small potatoes compared to Chris Paul being able to make max money playing for the Knicks, eh?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
poor owners......they'll be able to "make profit" with a lost season
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I was in Baghdad before these little B.G.'s was in they daddy-bags.
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 15, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
they work other events besides basketball
so whats your point
by mightymosdefinition on Nov 15, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
My personal hope for Brooklyn (combined with my expectations of this lock-out):
The whole thing is settled by Christmas or sometime after. The season is lost but the Nets get a high pick in the draft by virtue of a “past 3 years” lottery. They take Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes, or Andre Drummond. Deron Williams and Dwight Howard are both enticed by the ability to play on the same team with a future star.
If they end a lockout in the next three months
I might be dragged back into being an NBA fan again… and in that case, id really hope the Nets dont blow that potential 2012 pick on Barnes (Barnes will be the next Loul Deng) or Drummond (will be lucky to be Amare-he will more likely be a less skilled more athletic and equally troubling Demarcus Cousins). Drummond could be a beast but Davis is more of a sure thing. He is like Kevin Garnett. I’d take Garnett over Cousins…
But the real prize of the 2012 draft is someone most people are not talking about—Jeremy Lamb. This kid is the prototypical NBA two guard. He can do EVERYTHING, and he does it well. He is athletic as anyone in his class. He is smart. He has focus and heart. He reminds me of a more efficient, more focussed, and more athletic Kerry Kittles (the college version—not the Nets crappy version).
Jeremy Lamb everybody. Besides Anthony Davis, THIS kid is the gem of the 2012 draft. I hope he stays in school though cause I want my Huskies to win another couple championships.
Jeremy Lamb could be very good
However, crappy Kerry Kittles? Kittles was a starting SG on two Finals teams. He wasn’t a star by any imagination, but dude played defense, ran the floor and was the perfect compliment to J-Kidd.
D-Will > Carmela
true.. I just meant that Kittles
in college was something else. His potential was scary. He definitely underachieved. But true, Kittles was very serviceable and still very valuable to the Nets with Kidd.
What about loss for Barclay's Center?
You can’t overlook how a loss season (or two) will impact Barclay’s Center. IMO, it will take awhile for many paying NBA fans to become interested in buying tix to see NBA games again when the lockout ends. The Nets fan base is already weak and they still haven’t sold out the suites. The Knicks fans will come back before the Nets fans. Imagine having Barclay’s finished with no NBA!
a couple of points
One of the big things about Barclays Center, that the Nets have never had before, is that the same people who own the team own the arena (in different percentages, at least for how…Prokhorov can increase his percentage of the arena).
So the Nets won’t be paying a real lease. Money will move from one pocket to another, but it won’t be paid to an arena owner.
The Nets owners, for example, will get all the revenue from the 104 suites (there were 26 at IZOD), the naming rights, sponsorships, etc., etc. This is money that in the past, either in whole or in part, went to the arena owners: the NJSEA or the Devils.
There will of course be a novelty factor. The first new arena in NYC since the Garden opened in 1967. It will be the first billion dollar arena. It will be in Brooklyn.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
All excellent points NI
But if there’s a hard cap, none of this will matter as much. Of course wouldn’t it be ironic, Nets get a hard cap when they finally have an owner with deep pockets after Ratner gave us a wooden nickel toward the end of the Kidd years.
D-Will > Carmela
Actually
Correct me if I am wrong.
Brooklyn Nets wants NEW fans more then they are worried about the old ones.
Sorry but that is the reality. The old ones didnt really help them in NJ. Me included.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
I don't believe that for one second...
NJ Nets fans did help, maybe there wasn’t enough of them but the ones that rooted for the Nets in NJ are still valued and will be full fledged Brooklyn Nets fans with all the honor and glory and voting priveleges due them….
Yeah...
…they still need all the fans they can get since there’s no guarantee that Brooklyn would readily embrace them.
Like the Jets did with their LI fans after they moved to NJ, I think the Nets will try to keep connected with their NJ fans. Could be a few preseason games or events, and keep in mind that their practice facility is still in NJ for now.
what would give you any impression that they care about the current fan base
they are practically embarrassed to say they play in new jersey
by mightymosdefinition on Nov 15, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn't mean that won't change once they move to Brooklyn.
…they’re currently downplaying the NJ name right now in order to attract NYers to their games.
Once they move to Brooklyn I think they will do the reverse and try to push their Jersey-roots more so they can attract NJers to their games in Brooklyn.
Its all basic marketing.
by Proballxx on Nov 15, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did someone compare NBA players to slave plantation workers?
Epic FAIL.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
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Agreed. When people you would think are educated,
make statements like that, it is mind boggling.
SMH!!!! REALLY!!!! Slaves didnt get paid. Slaves didnt choose what type of job they wanted to do. Slaves didnt get a chance to renegotiate what they wanted from the slave owners.
REALLY!!!! SMH!!!!
Think before you speak Gumbel and anyone else that has the urge to bring in the race card.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
a better comparison would be indentured servants or share croppers
by mightymosdefinition on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
maybe but the point is
The NBA and the owners are making the rules not negotiating
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
it is THEIR league
at the end of the day, they are the reason why these guys have the lives that the have, if basketball wasn’t a multi million dollar sport half of these dudes would either have to play footballs, box, or flip burgers since most of them wouldn’t even qualify to get into community college
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
without players its noones league
Its THEIR league not OUR (players and owners) league. You are proving my point. That is the owners stance. “This is our league and you will take what we give you, shut up”
Owners make the rule
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
dude
if the NBA wasn’t running, or any other comparable organization, what would these players be doing? They wouldn’t be coming together to form their own league.
This is not a “screw the players” thing because no one comes out to watch the owners play, but the owners are the ones who pay the salaries and provide the opportunity for these kids to become millionaires. It just can’t be cater to every whim of the players at the expense of the sport. You better believe that a few more years of Melogates and the only people spending money on NBA games will be people in the major markets.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
and the behavior
of Melo, Lebron, CP3, etc has done the players as a collective a major disservice because it made them look like a holes. You think that fans find Lebron’s ‘decision’, Melo destroying the Nuggets to be cute, or CP3 announcing publicly that he wants to play for the Knicks with Amare and Melo to be cute?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently, being able to make max but NOT able to choose where you play = slavery
hmmmm…..
Avery Johnson can go Outlaw himself.
Hey Avery: 我觉得你做得不是很好
NETS BASKETBALL…. JUST DEAL WITH IT!
and if you dont think race colors the perception in the fans minds
then you are lying to yourself
by mightymosdefinition on Nov 15, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
of course there are racist fans, but bringing race into this is absolutely bogus
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
the NBA has legitimate systemic issues
that have nothing to do with the color of anyone’s skin. Lets not even sink this topic to that level of ignorance.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, but that is in everything in life.
In this situation, it has nothing to do with racism. This has to do with business.
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im not the only one
Many in the media have made the same comparision
by DJ HeavyDuty on Nov 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
like who?
I want to know who is being intellectually dishonest
Please don’t tell me Stephen A
I’m sorry…even bringing up slavery in a discussion about something as trivial as basketball is shameful
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Also, the best thing for the Nets is to NOT have a season.
Worst case scenario Dwill leaves and best case scenario we keep Dwill, Get Howard, Get a top 5 pick, keep Lopez, amnesty Outlol, etc.
The pros outweight the cons for the Nets here.
Why waste money on 3rd tier players that will only make us a 2nd round team max(ATL HAWKS) when we can go for it all? And why would Dwill leave the Nets? it’s not like our situation changes right? the brand new billion dollar arena in Brooklyn will still be there and Prokhorov’s deep pockets will still be there.
Dwill/Farmar/Yatta
Brooks/Morrow
Top 5 pick or trade/James
Lopez/ Draft Pick or FA
Howard/ FA
if you can add some savvy vets and athletic defenders to that team we would be championship contenders overnight and who would challenge us? Not the Lakers, Celtics or Spurs.
The Bulls, Heat and OKC are the ones we have to worry about in the future.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
Its a huge gamble that if works pays off handsomely.
If Dwill leaves and we dont get Dwight…..this franchise will be the same old nets only in BK.
We would have to pray we got a stud in the draft and that Marshon could be a Nick Young type at minimum. Just to be respectable.
You would go into BK with a team of:
Farmar (he may be a FA by then not sure)
Brooks
Rookie sf
Nene
Lopez
Maybe a 30-35 win team at best.
2012 free agency...
…still plenty of options out there…
Heck even if D-Will leaves, its still possible to sign CP3 to replace him, even though the chances for that are probably basically zero.
I would rather have Hump playing with Lopez...
I believe he better compliments Lopez and he should come much cheaper.
Maybe we draft a PG in 2012 and bring in AK-47 or Prince be respectable and add veteran leadership.
If we lose Deron we better rebuild the right way this time around. No huge contracts unless the player is legit top 10-15 talent….
There's zero chances of that I think...
…the Nets aren’t going into Brooklyn the way the Mets went into CitiField. They want to compete right away. If DWill leaves they might just have to sign some players even if they aren’t top 10.
But at the very least we have more to choose from than just Nene, David West and those guys.
Your probably right...
Nets will probably do what the Mets usually do. Sign second tier free agents to huge contracts, when they can’t get the top talent, and then wonder why their team stinks…(LOL)
I would hate paying huge money to Nene or West just because they are the best talent available at the moment. I would rather wait for something better even if it means going into Brooklyn with a medicore team….
No there is a very large chance of it if Deron leaves. Dwight is not going to come here by himself, neither is any other star player in the league. The Nets had max salary money last season and ended up with Outlaw because they were desperate. They need Deron or another star to become legitimate landing spot for great players. You don’t want BK to turn into LAC, TOR or Ind.
The Nets better have a hell of a plan B.
by power_njerz on Nov 15, 2011 3:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure what you're replying to...
…but I agree with what you’re saying. I’m just saying that the Nets ARE going to be desperate, and they WILL have a Plan B, a Plan C, and a Plan D, because its going to be their first year in Brooklyn and there’s no chance that they move to their new arena with a rebuilding team when there are so many free agents available in 2012, and possibly amnestied players also.
You guys rely on location and not important crap waaay to much
Star will make similiar money else where that has an establish team and not just hoping and dreaming for success.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
"_________ has a face of a Star, and that Star is Lassie"-Jeff Ross
I'm talking from the viewpoint of the Nets...
…not the players. The NETS will do anything possible to field a competitive in Brooklyn. Doesn’t matter if the players don’t care. If one FA won’t sign, there will be others who will, because its a huge FA class, especially if there will be an amnesty clause. And if there’s a hard cap – forget about it, teams over the cap will be making superstars available for trade in order to get under the cap.
I don't believe in the Brooklyn move being unproven tho
Brooklyn isn’t a new city, Avery Johnson is a proven commodity, we have the richest owner, and plethora of picks. I think we need to change our mindset, everybody is excited about the move and there is a reason why people think Brooklyn is a destination for D-howard. If we don’t have a season why would free agents jump over themselves to play in sacramento than Brooklyn? lol. The point is we will have one of the greatest structures management wise in basketball and players and agents know that. They will all want to be in Nike commercials with Brooklyn in the background and be apart of that mystique.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
From your lips to Dwight's ears....(LOL)
Your right…Gotta think positive.
Thinking negative is too easy to do and also leads to depression.
exactly what Im saying Atronic
The fact that we will have a brand new arena in BROOKLYN and an owner with deep pockets doesn’t change at all. The only down side is that Dwill could leave making us less appealing to other stars, but he could leave regardless if there’s a season or not.
In Prokhorov & Billy King WE TRUST.
8 > 3
DH12 OR BUST!
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
I still think there will be a season
Just sayin.
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"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
we'd better hope not
I like King, but this is our Nets we’re talking about here.
What can go wrong, usually will.
I can definitely see us jumping out of the window, signing Nene to big bucks, and Deron hauling ass on us right afterwards.
I’d be done with the NBA completely if I ever witnessed some garbage like that.
Hell, I don’t even miss it now. The product stinks with the lack of competitive balance and crooked officiating.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I miss the excitement of the live games
I’m hesitant to admit this but I’ve been to hockey games to fill the void.
The product is as good as ever, but I think fans are beginning to evaluate more strictly the costs of their entertainment. When cities live or die through their sports teams, today’s recession-oppressed Americans begin to question what it all means, and how WE foot the bill for these guya to argue over who gets what percent of our money
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
very well put
I often say the same thing, just about the devils. “this was a hell of a game, until the devils had to ruin it by taking the ice”
by Chakroot on Nov 15, 2011 2:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
dude
I’d rather spend money watching MMA or NFL Football than I would on a damn Nets game. At least those two sports give me bang for my buck. The NBA’s overall product is damn near unwatchable unless it isn’t Miami, LA, Chicago, or OKC.
I’m sure there are Bucks fans, Bobcats fans, etc around the country that have been feeling the same way…why should we pay for this when this team will never, ever have a chance to compete? Hell, i couldn’t imagine being a fan of the Cavs or Nuggets right now. i wouldn’t spend a damn dime!!!
The players do not care about that, so why should I care if they are allowed to move freely?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Funny thing about many such fans, myself included
I could care less about getting out to the arena to watch the Nets host the Heat. Sure they’re the star-studded team, but I’d rather watch a competitive game. I’d rather watch the Nets play a comparably crappy team to see a competitive, exciting, albeit potentially sloppy game. That’s what players don’t get. Most die-hard fans root for the laundry and/or local pride, not the individual players. It’s why college basketball, especially in March, is so popular. Many fans may not be able to name more than a handful of college games, but they still cheer their alma-mater, local team or favorite Cinderella story.
Lebron, Wade, Amare, Melo, CP3, DWill, etc. could all go overseas & start their own league, but new hungry young players will wear NBA jerseys & fans will slowly gravitate back towards the NBA marketing machine.
agreed
we root for a piece of fabric at the end of the day
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why players & half the reporters are wrong
Players are not the product. The game & game experience is the product. The connection to the laundry, the hope that “we win a championship,” the excitement of a game winning shot (regardless if it’s made by Lebron James or Joe Schmo) is the product.
I’ll happily root for the Nets in a league full of scabs. It will take some time to get to know the players & reestablish that connection, but I’d still root for the laundry.
this is a different economic climate
the disposable income of fans has become very limited over the last few years. The NBA has to adjust and they realize that the only way to do so and keep everyone functioning is to level the playing field. The elite players don’t want that because they are spoiled brats who have been coddled and had their asses patted since they were playing AAU ball. Enough is enough.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Dolla
I would rather take my chances for with NO season then a 60 game season with a Free Agency process.
The pressure of trying to keep Dwill would be worse then hearing Dwill say — I am Opting Out.
Dwill leaving would be a bad move on Dwill’s part more then on King’s part for trading for Dwill.
Official Member of the "DIDN'T WANT TO TRADE DERRICK FAVORS, BUT HAPPY WE GOT D. WILLIAMS" Movement
Maybe the best way with dealing with Deron is using reverse psychology ?
Don’t kiss his butt and don’t make moves just to make him happy…
Deron is a big boy and should understand the Nets situation and either he helps out or just gets the hell out of the way….
I don't give a damn what he does
we cannot fall into the same trap that Cleveland, Denver, and Toronto fell into
thankfully, a season ending lockout will prevent that :-D
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
This is how I feel too.
This reminds me of when Kidd’s contract was up.
He could have gone to join Duncan in San Antonio.
Of Course I wanted Kidd to stay, but if he left it was going to be a GREAT loss. the Bottom line is him leaving wasnt going to change the fact that I am a NETS fan.
I now feel the same way with Dwill.
If he leaves, I dont care what the BSPN NBA analyst will say – THE NETS ARE LOSERS in this all. I know better.
WHAT the NETS gave up was WELL worth the risk for trying to get a PLAYER like DWILL.
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I have to quote MrBD
because he hit the nail on the head
The NBA players even if they accepted the last offer would still have a better CBA than any other major sport in this country. But it’s still not enough.
exactly. These clowns are lucky that their contracts are guarunteed because I don’t think that they should be afforded that luxury, especially after that dullard Travis Outlaw had the nerve come into training camp out of shape(granted, we should have never paid him that much, so don’t think that I absolve the owners from blame) and basically made us look like even more of a joke for giving him an opportunity. Outlaw played poorly and did not care. He should be cut, not afforded another 4 years to waste our goddamn time.
Its not about supporting the owners, and its not about blindly supporting NBA players who frankly do not deserve a lick of sympathy. If you are a fan, you want to see the best product possible and if the players had their way you’d still continue to see unwatchable basketball from all but 5 NBA teams and a bunch of overgrown girly men running and decimating franchises so that they can be on the same team as their boyfriends.
If I am going to spend money on David Stern’s overall product, he damn well better make sure that everyone has their stuff together. That means killing the superteam nonsense and getting the league to a level where you’re excited to watch a full night of match ups, and not just the same 5 teams every sunday.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
and by superteam nonsense
i mean the CAA nonsense. Those guys needed to be slapped down because they care nothing about the league or fans.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yep...I saw this coming when those agents...
publicly stated that they would and could have their players play on the same team…
They in effect were saying to the NBA who needs G.M.’s when we can do their job ourselves…We can pick and choose what teams we want to succeed..
I think that might of gotten many owners in the league a little bit upset and that is why you seem them sticking it to the players so harshly now…
that's the players problem
life is hard when your salary is 7 figures and you’re being told that you have to spend 6 months out of the year playing in Milwaukee, eh?
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
owners
got fed up with the Leon Rose’s of the agent world telling their players where they should go and team up with another of their clients. I understand it, they take all the risk, try to please their stud only to get brown end of the stick. :p
If there is no season, the players will wish they took the 50/50 BRI split
It's interesting because you contradict yourself.
You hope for a lockout because — among other reasons (that you’ve expressed very emotionally) — it will fix the NBA’s issue of superstars teaming up together on big-market teams, yet a large part (from my interpretation of what you’ve said) of why the Nets stand to benefit from the lockout is the potential of Dwight Howard and Deron Williams teaming up in Brooklyn.
It seems as if you’re against it when it applies to others, but not against it when it applies to you. And this is, in my opinion, the height of hypocrisy.
we would the have cap space to do so
I am not mad at teams acquiring talent if they have the means to do so, but you should not have an unfair advantage while doing it. Eliminating sign and trades? Okay, makes sense if you want to kill collusion so the player will have to make a sacrifice to go to another team that’s over the cap. It shouldn’t be easy, or aided by players and agents strong arming the teams.
Of course I want us to get Dwight. Hypocrisy? Not if we get him on a level playing field it isn’t.
by MrDollarBills on Nov 15, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
shame on the nba owners for attempting to create parity and stop this superteam nonsense.
by sheepareevil on Nov 15, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
check out this video of Alan Blake -- Brooklyn Nets New Music Director
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgOHgWYr3I
check it out !!!!!!!!
i take it back... this guy isnt the Nets Music director
just like an audition tape or something….. thanks NI for clearing that up…
by blazin pp face on Nov 15, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
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