NetsDaily Off-Season Report #31
We try to make a little of our own news this week, combining some stuff we've picked up on the owners' proposal with some analysis to give fans a sense of how the owners' proposal, if approved by the players, would affect the Nets.
We deal in lesser detail on several Brooklyn issues, including team colors, Brooklynized water and a battle between the Nets and Knicks for big bucks from small businesses; follow Mikhail Prokhorov's latest (non-political, low key) moves in Moscow; try to get a read on Brandan Wright; chart when ex-teammates will next meet overseas; and offer a final note on the treatment of hard-core fans. We find it lacking.
This is the last Off-Season Report this off-season, no matter what happens between the players and owners. If the players accept the owner's offer, off-season is over. It will be pre-season! If the players reject the offer and head off in the decertification route, well, then, we're staring into the abyss and the likelihood of a lost season. What's the use?
Every Sunday, we update the Nets off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, and of course, enduring the lockout. We rely on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who slip interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...as well as our own reporting and analysis.
Waiting for the (Board of ) Governor's Pardon
In all the great prison movies, the condemned get a last meal...and hopes for a last minute pardon. We feel we're somewhere between that last meal (the pizzas Bobby Marks and Gary Sussman sent the media a week or so ago) and those hopes for a reprieve. It does seem like we're on Death Row, Basketball Division and the clock is ticking towards midnight. For two weeks, we've thought we've heard the phone ring in the warden's office more than once, only to realize it was just our imagination. It was merely the klinking of the jailman's keys.
We knew going in that things would get tight around now, as players realized they will soon miss their first paycheck (on Tuesday). Doesn't help that we knew it. Still sucks.
But if things work out, the basic parameters of the deal favor the Nets as much as any team (although the Heat will come out winners at least in the first two years of the deal, as described).
Here are some thoughts on how proposed new rules would affect the Nets, which we've updated from last week.
--With a proposed $58 million cap over the first two years, the Nets would currently have $16 million in space. Subtract Travis Outlaw 's $7 million with the new amnesty provision and you've got $22.5 - 23 million. There are some other factors at play as well. There are complicated cap rules for a team that has fewer than 12 players under contract. Because the Nets only have 10 players there would be two cap holds at $490,180 each. Then, there's the issue of Kris Humphries' cap hold at $6.4 million. So you would need to sign or renounce him before you get all that money to use.
Still, The Nets would be in the top four or five in cap space. Trade Johan Petro and a pick in a salary dump and you're at around $25 million and very close to having as much as anyone. And none of the other teams at the bottom of the payroll pile have the advantages the Nets do: a superstar already on the roster, two picks in the 2012 draft and a major market (with billion dollar arena). The other four teams are the Wizards, Pacers, Kings and Nuggets. Denver has other issues of course, like what to do with Nene Hilario (a Nets target), Arron Afflalo and Wilson Chandler before they can use their cap space. Collectively, this unique situation is the biggest Nets advantage...and the owners' proposal helps them retain it.
--Projected tax level ranges will rise from $70 million to $85 million over next six years. Although the Nets are no where near the luxury tax threshold, their great advantage is Mikhail Prokhorov's wallet. By keeping the threshold this high, it should help the Nets take advantage of Prokhorov's willingness to spend. The tax rule is $1 for $1 for 2011-12 and 2012-13. The heavy stuff comes into play for 2013-14, when those way over the threshold will have to pay $2.25 for every $1. That of course helps super teams in the short term. So Tyson Chandler could wind up with the Mavericks again.
--The retention of the MLE, Bird Rights and other exceptions would give the Nets greater flexibility once they've made their big signings.
--The "stretch exception", permitting teams to stretch out what's owed waived players. However, the "stretch" provision only applies to players signed under the new CBA just as the amnesty provision only applies to those players signed prior to the expiration of the old CBA. It's of no immediate help
--A prohibition on extend-and-trade deals, which would seem to limit Deron Williams and Dwight Howard's options. However, again, there is an out. A team can acquire a player and than sign him six months after the trade to an extension. By permitting teams over the threshold to continue making sign-and-trades, the owners' proposal would add more competition for such big name free agents.
--Looser trade rules. The 125 per cent + $100,000 exchange limit would rise to 150 per cent. That would permit a broader range of trades (and do recall who is the Nets' GM and why they call him "Trader Billy")
--Teams would only have three days to match offer sheets to restricted free agents. Previously teams had seven days. Assuming teams can still front load deals with signing bonuses, upfront payouts, etc., that would give an advantage to teams like the Nets, with a lot of cash and a willingness to spend it. There's no indication front-loading is going away.
Howard Beck reports there are still 30 or 40 unresolved issues not specified in the owners' proposals, things like a higher age limit and new rules for the D-League which might include higher salaries.
We assume the Nets wouldn't be in favor of the former since it would dilute the 2012 draft and degrade the value of having two picks in the 2012 draft. As for the latter, the Nets have invested in Springfield and better the deal for D-Leaguers, the better for the Nets' goal of using the Armor for development.
We'd also like to see the NBA increase the amount of money a team can pay to help international players get out of their overseas deals. It's now $500,000. If it goes to a million, it could help free Bojan Bogdanovic from his contract earlier.
That's not say every provision of the owners' proposal helps the Nets. Marc Stein reports that under the owners' proposal teams can only add total of $3 million per season in trades. Previously, a team could add $3 million per deal. Last season, the Nets paid out $7.5 million in three deals from June to June: $3 million to facilitate the Yi Jianlian salary dump; $3 million to facilitate the D-Will deal with Utah and $1.5 million to purchase the draft rights of Bogdanovic from the Timberwolves. That of course would weaken Prokhorov's options. (We don't like that.)
But those are "B" issues. The "A" issues on the system side are those dealing with the cap, the luxury tax, trade rules etc. And this could all be academic if things fall apart Monday and Tuesday.
When Ex-teammates Meet
This Tuesday, Deron Williams and Sundiata Gaines, teammates with the Jazz and Nets, will meet up in Istanbul for a EuroChallenge match. It will be the first meeting between these two but the second time in a week that two-time teammates will face off. Last week it was Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujacic. Farmar won the Euroleague contest.
Here's what Farmar, who will return to the Nets if there is an NBA season, said before the game about Vujacic, who will not:
We’ve spent a lot of time together, on and off the court, in the past five seasons. Sasha is a terrific player, a pure shooter; he was the shooting guard while I was the point guard. I remember during the 2007 – 2008 season, when we lost to the Celtics in the final, he broke the Lakers’ all-time record for three point shooting percentage in a season (with 43.7%).
"He played a big part in the Lakers’ success during those great years – 3 straight finals and 2 championship rings. I was really happy that he joined us last season at the Nets,
Jordan Williams Will Apparently Be Cloned!
That's our best guess after reading that J-Will will play next Friday in both the the "I-95 Pro Jam: Battle in Bridgeport." starting at 7:30 p.m. and the "Sports Athletic Enterprise Kidz into Action" benefit game at Nassau Coliseum, starting at 7:30 p.m.
Next Battle for Nets, Knicks: Loge Seats
The Nets' Barclays Center is a billion dollar construction project. The Knicks are spending $977 million on the renovation of the Garden. So the competition for dollars is real...and the next battle between the two will be over loge seats, two- and four- seat packages that appeal to small businesses. There are an estimated 40,000 small business in Brooklyn alone...law firms, accountants, financial firms, etc.
Sports Business Journal reports that Barclays will be offering the packages starting in February, with pricing yet to be determined. MSG is already pitching theirs. They will be sold at a cost of about $45,000 per seat per year, tied to three-year and five-year terms. The price includes tickets to all Knicks and Rangers games and about 30 college basketball games, food and drink but no alcohol.
The configuration of those packages, with NBA and NHL games, offers the Garden an advantage and is a good indicator of why the Nets would like the Islanders to join them in Brooklyn. Also expect heated competition between the two venues for the biggest college basketball games.
Also, Barclays is offering 10-seat "loft suites", priced between $215,000 and $267,000 annually, much smaller than the traditional "skyboxes". Of the 67 "lofts", Nets officials say only "15 to 20" remain.
Brooklyn Team Colors
The colors on the only Brooklyn logo trademarked by the Nets shows no change in colors...red, blue and grey. The official colors of Brooklyn are blue and gold. Jay-Z apparently has a role in the design and his favorite color, it's been reported, is black.
But a Canadian sports design expert (who works out of a Brooklyn studio) tells the Toronto Star that she thinks he knows what the dominant color will be in the Nets new logo: Dodger Blue.
"One reason this works is that the classical colors in sports are older colors," adds Susanna Heller. "The Chicago Blackhawks uniform is very cool this way. The Red Wings logo and red color are very bold, although there are too many red and white combinations in sports. When the new Brooklyn Nets unveil their new uniforms, I bet they’ll use the same blue as the old Brooklyn Dodgers."
Brooklynized Water
And yes, indeed, there will be an official water at the Barclays Center, and it will be "Brooklynized!" It was announced this week that the Original Brooklyn Water will be offered as the exclusive bottled water at the Barclays Center. The Brooklynization process turns ordinary water into the equivalent of New York City tap water, which is, hold the jokes, viewed as the finest tap water in the world. This follows on the "Beers of Brooklyn" beer garden and the "Brooklyn Taste" theme for the arena's restaurants. Do you see a trend here?
Brandan Wright - No Regrets
We're still assuming Brandan Wright will be back with the Nets, or at the very least will be pursued by them. After all, he was the key player in the last minute Troy Murphy trade last February. The Nets gave up a second round pick as well as Murphy for him and Dan Gadzuric. No other reason to make that deal other than to bring in Wright for his potential. He's a free agent now,of course, since there was no way the Nets were going to give him a $5 qualifying offer.
He was heard from this week, when ESPN interviewed NBA players who decided to enter the draft after one-and-done college careers. Wright said he was happy to have the NBA change the rule prohibiting high school players from entering the draft and indicated he was happy he played one year at North Carolina...despite the subsequent disappointments he's had, including a missed season in 2009-10.
"The age rule was relief because it definitely took a lot of pressure off me being 18 years old and deciding whether to go to the NBA straight out of high school or to college. If a top prospect came to me and asked what he should do as far as the college situation, going to Europe or playing professionally, I think you should just follow your heart. It depends on what type of person you are. If you're not as mature as you need to be, I think you should go to school, learn that maturity, learn how to be on time, go to class and be held accountable. Because if you just jump straight in you'll probably get yourself in a lot of trouble by having a lot of money in your pocket and getting into the wrong situations."
As to whether the 24-year-old with the 6'10" frame and the 7'4" wingspan will be back, it's anyone's guess. Back in July he seemed to suggest that he wanted to be back. "Right now it’s looking like I’ll be back there," he said. "But you never know. It’s a business. You don’t know what’s going to happen." Then in September, he seemed less enthusiastic. "It’s hard to say right now," Wright said. "Obviously, we’re in a bad situation with the lockout. But we’ll see how it goes."
The big rap on Wright (and on Armor draftee Chris Taft as well) is that his passion for the game is lacking. Not that they're bad guys. They're the reverse, maybe too much the reverse.
Back to Normal for Prokhorov
If you "google" news for Mikhail Prokhorov in the Russian press, you won't find him pushing a political agenda lately, at least not one with a capital "P". He's seen talking up the Russian biathlon team, offering to sell part of his e-mobile car business to get financing, negotiating the purchase of media assets...pretty much his agenda before the political bug got to him.
He says he's not that interested in speaking with Vladimir Putin, the once and future President. That's not to say he won't face some level of mistreatment: a plan to sell Polyus Gold on the London Stock Exchange has been postponed...and the speculation is that it's punishment. Also, he needs better roads at his automobile factory, also a Kremlin decision.
As for the Nets, if there is a season, we wouldn't be surprised to see even less of him in 2011-12 than we did in 2010-11. The likelihood that the Nets-Magic games in London will be cancelled is one reason. Another is he's laying low, NBA-wise. He attended the NBA Board of Governors meeting but that was mainly to discuss revenue sharing and brief fellow owners on progress on the Barclays Center. Neither he nor his reps have attended any of the CBA bargaining sessions, we're told. That will no doubt change next September when Barclays finally opens. There's no indication he has less interest and there's no indication he is crimping on the financing of team operations.
Final Final Note
One thing we've noticed, and it's in stark relief during the lockout, is how little attention the Nets' powers-that-be focus on the hard core fans. The focus instead has been on the season ticket holder, particularly the guys who will buy a row of suites or a corporate box. The invites to big team events go almost exclusively to them, as do some of the privileges. And we know, it's all about Brooklyn. Problem is that we get a sense that the hard core fans, who are for the most part Jersey guys, don't fit into those categories and don't get what they deserve.
The hard core fan, whether they buy season tickets or just watch at home, are the missionaries (yes, even martyrs) who preach the gospel and take their hits while wearing faded Vince Carter or Kenyon Martin jerseys to school or work. They spend far too much time here commenting, arguing, posting. They generate the interest on which marketing strategies can be based. Some in the front office get the importance of such fans (and we've been told that some of those who get it the most have Russian accents.)
Creating a fan base in Brooklyn won't be easy. Turning Knick fans into Nets fans is only part of it. Turning casual fans into rabid fans may be just as hard. It takes a while and needs a strategy. And for those inside and outside the organization who may make fun of those hard core fans, note this: among SB Nation's NBA fan sites, the one devoted to the Nets is among the most popular. And if you check the fan confidence numbers of the nine pro teams within SB Nation New York, you'll find that Nets fans are among the most confident. That's loyalty...(or perhaps something clinical, but we'll leave that to the shrinks).
It hasn't been easy being a Nets fan the last five years. Those who've shown loyalty --and they are all around us-- deserve some recognition.
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The hard core fan, whether they buy season tickets or just watch at home, are the missionaries (yes, even martyrs) who preach the gospel and take their hits while wearing faded Vince Carter or Kenyon Martin jerseys to school or work.
I still have my VC red jersey and a KMart navy blue one and wear them as much as I can, lol. 8-)
Fantastic job as usual NI
While I understand why this will be your final off season report, I’ll definitely miss the Saturday read. That said, let’s hope that a miracle happens and the players vote in favor of this latest proposal making the issue moot.
by nynjlawyer on Nov 12, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"while wearing faded...Kenyon Martin jerseys"
We are legion (for what it’s worth mine is still pristine).
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
I have a Marcus Williams #1 red jersey
which morphed into a Terrence Williams jersey..
but now it is retired.
About the name change.
According to jayz the colors WILL be changed. (interview with good morning america before the Brooklyn Nets announcement)
not the most important issue discussed in the report
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
If I could rec that last paragraph 1,000 times I would
well said.
by NetsKiNG on Nov 12, 2011 9:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
i follow a few other SB team blogs.
and i can honestly say that i enjoy reading NETSDAILY the most.
good stuff!
by pope of lofe on Nov 13, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
where's our recognition?
can we please get us a championship? that would be the greatest gift evar
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Wow!
I love how you ended this NI. Its been rough taking all the heat for being a Nets fan but we’ll get through this.
by djeterfan on Nov 12, 2011 9:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't mind the draft age minimum increasing to two years removed from high school
I just think two years of college or overseas ball is the optimal amount of time to groom one mentally for the NBA. As for it diluting the 2012 draft, couldn’t the new CBA institute the age minimum for individuals currently in high school and not for those who are already removed from high school? How did it work when they increased the age minimum to one year removed from high school? Besides, even if it did affect current college players (i.e. if the rule were effective immediately), I suspect some 2012 draft prospects might not declare for the 2012 draft due to it being so crammed with talent to begin with. I don’t see why some guys might not opt to stick it out and aim instead to be the #1 draft pick in 2013 rather than simply, say, a 8, 9 or 10 pick in 2012. Thus, in effect, if the rule were effective immediately, it would have an effect, but not that much.
2010-2011 = acquire an All-Star via cap space as Thorn himself said
2011-2012 = make the playoffs without hindering future flexibility
2012 off-season = sign the second All-Star
2012-2013 = make a run for the championship
Mission accomplished thus far.
It would be fantastic for both the NBA and NCAA
and even the players (although not for their wallets). The only problem is that no more one-and-done’s means Cal will finally get that championship.
You may be right to say that they would implement it for those in high school and give this year’s Freshman class a reprieve. Although, as a UCONN Huskies fan watching Andre Drummond the other night, it’s hard to believe he will be declaring for next year’s draft given how raw he looks.
by BrooklynNets on Nov 13, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
based off twitter TL
It looks like Ammo had a good game tonight
by djeterfan on Nov 12, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
where was he playing?
I know James is playing.
Hard to keep track
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
What do you think?
I think it works pretty well.
by BrooklynNets on Nov 13, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
if players go overseas out of high school they loose eligibility for college right?
This rule would help the NCAA financially no more one and dones.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Marshon tweeted something bout rookie only gettin 75k first two year whats that about
by Pure baller15 on Nov 12, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
only if he gets sent to the d league
but me? i’d be happy with 75k personally.
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 12, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
that is wrong
Bucher tweeted it yesterday and it was quickly denied by everyone.
He would get $1 million from the Nets.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I think the 6 month S+T thing might be a bit misleading
Take CP3 for example. If he extends with New Orleans, he’ll get more money than anywhere else. But let’s say the Hornets trade him to the Knicks at the deadline in February… The Knicks now have to wait 6 months to extend him, but his contract would already be up right? Can you extend him after his contract has run out, or would it have to be a new contract, and less money since it’s not getting the extension bonus? And would they now need the cap room to sign him outright?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
maybe this is part of the 30-40 system issues they havent ironed out
good point though, i hadnt thought of that
deron williams is better than kyrie irving
by William_H_HOLLA on Nov 12, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
does he have an option?
like D-WIll or is he an unrestricted free agent like Howard
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I thought all 3 contracts were essentially the same.
Can’t all 3 be S&T to another team for 4 years, and then 6 months later extend for another year?
If they sign extension with current team they could get extension year + 5 years?
There would be immediate job security if they re-signed with current team soon.
dont all three have those same max deal RFA extensions
so they get a player option after this year
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I got nothin but love for you baby cause it aint no fuuuuun if the homies cant haaave none
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 13, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks you NI
and the Nets Daily fans. I don’t comment super often but I come every day and often agree, shake my head, roll my eyes and sometimes laugh at the comments. Thanks all.
Brook and Robin today at Stanford game
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"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
big upset.
Anyone see the Boise game? How did he miss that field goal? Now my Broncos are going to drop out of the top 10….
Robin looks really skinny
Brook looks like he’s beefing up a bit.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 13, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
thought the same thing.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
We saw Brook in the charity game not too long ago. He looked like a rail to be honest.
"This isn’t fantasy or rotisserie basketball. Why would Denver want Outlaw? Would you?" - Al Iannazzone
by strange-brew on Nov 13, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
mariners?
no A’s or Giants? hmmmmm. Ok State will crush LSU in the title game btw, everyone else is too weak
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
I got nothin but love for you baby cause it aint no fuuuuun if the homies cant haaave none
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Nov 13, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the cap hold would be less with new CBA?
Then, there’s the issue of Kris Humphries’ cap hold at $6.4 million. So you would need to sign or renounce him before you get all that money to use.
Or you could just hold $xx.xx space for him and possibly go over the cap after signing him last (by not renouncing his Bird rights).
I also have no clue how there could be so many unresolved issues, yet Stern expects players to agree to an incomplete CBA? Something doesn’t compute. Is Stern trying to trick the players?
Perhaps the issue of $3 million max cash per season is a “B” issue to, and can be modified later?
There can’t be the start of free agency until ALL issues are in writing and approved.
Nets would have payroll of $40.86 million including Gaines and Marshon, but not Graham.
I believe then that JWill would be the 10th player, but 2nd round picks could be signed after free agency and thus not count against the cap initially.
If Nets want to bring back Hump (likely), he would be the 11th player, but would be signed last, since doing so would allow Nets to go over the Cap and obtain a mini-MLE player for 2 years (hopefully Vince Carter).
Once however the Nets sign 1-2 free agents, the two $490K cap holds would go away, so effectively there is still 58-40.86 = $17.14 million cap space + 7 for Outlaw = $24.14 million to work with. Hump’s cap hold would be the big question.
Its still not clear if Nets could both go well over the cap by signing Hump and also get the mini-MLE?
Stern would like to counter the misleading Twitter campaign by the self-serving agents to their players.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7228134/david-stern-says-greedy-agents-hurting-chances-nba-deal
“By some combination of mendacity and greed, the agents who are looking out for themselves rather than their clients are trying to scuttle the deal,” Stern said in a phone interview. “They’re engaged in what appears to be an orchestrated Twitter campaign and a series of interviews that are designed to deny the economic realities of the proposal.”
NBA fans have about 1 1/2 days to join forces with their own Twitter campaign to correct the deceptions of the Agents.
great article NI
especially the last part about hardcore fans
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/steve_aschburner/11/12/fact-box/index.html
• A new “room” exception for all teams below the salary cap starting at $2.5 million for up to two years.
Vince Carter is a top 5 net of all time.
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Nov 13, 2011 8:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
can anyone explain to me what Stern means by the NBA "being up and running" by Wednesday if the deal is accepted?
wouldn’t it take a few weeks?
players back in gyms, new schedule being finalized
although training camps cant begin till things are finalized, players could presumably do what they noirmally do before start of camp: work out without coaches at team practice facilities.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Nice job NI, as always.
Can’t give enough credit to NI and Nets fans to make this website the best SB Nation site. Period.
Thank you NI!!!!
I don’t post much but I read netsdaily at least twice a day. So many ups and downs as a Nets fan but they should try and and be loyal to us diehard fans. Kind of make me want to pull out my DC jersey but then again hopefully ownership doesn’t say Whoop De Damn Do to us jersey fans. They need us to suceed.
Wow great read....
And I have my Kenyon Martin jersey autographed, framed, and hanging on my wall… is that obsessive? :)

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