Bucher: D-League Clause Another Non-Starter ...But Is It For Real?
by Net Income on Nov 11, 2011 4:30 PM EST
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The Nets are investing a quarter million dollars in their hybrid relationship with the Springfield Armor, and that investment will look even smarter than it does today if, as reported by ESPN, the owners have inserted a new D-League clause in their final offer. If true, it could also be a CBA deal-breaker, but AP reports it is not.
Ric Bucher tweets that "New proposal would allow teams to send players to NBDL first 5 years of career and reduce pay to pro-rated 75K. Talk about non-starters." Indeed. If that provision had been in place last season, the Nets could have sent half the team down, including Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar, Brook Lopez, Sundiata Gaines and Brandan Wright. All of them made at least 10 times the $75,000 pro-rated salary.
But in yet another indication of the murky nature of the negotiations, AP's Brian Mahoney tweets, "what you're seeing about the new D-League assignment rule isn't in the league's proposal". The NBA agreed, tweeting, "Incorrect; only preliminary discussions have been held on NBA/NBA D-League relationship; nothing in 11/11 proposal."
- Report: Owners put more use of D-League in proposal - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- NBA lockout -- Players unlikely to accept owners' proposal, sources say - Ric Bucher & Chris Broussard - ESPN
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haha wow, that's quite a dock in pay.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
Yeah this is ridiculous and there is no way players accept that. Anyway:
RicBucher Ric Bucher
League official says NBDL rule, along w/20-yr age limit + offseason drug testing are B-List and not take-it-or-leave-it. BRI/tax rules are.
all true, but if a mid=level player is wavering
the owners just lost his vote. Voter are always about constituencies.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
NBA Labor official twitter account confirms there would be a min-MLE for teams under the cap
NBA_Labor NBA Labor
NBA Proposal: More mid-levels than 2005 CBA: $5M for non-taxpayers, $3M for taxpayers, $2.5M for room teams
four years without raises, I believe, was final
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
It's good news for us
This could helps us get some depth. We could use it to get someone like VC or another cheap vet. Amnesty, stretch exception, 58M cap, now this. Please let this proposal get approved.
So does that mean that we would be a guaranteed a $2.5 M player for 3 years, even if we remain under the cap after free agency?
If we Do go over the cap after free agency, do we earn a MLE that we can use later? When?
from what I've read
teams that started the offseason under the cap would be allowed to use this exception once they use all of their cap space.
VC would be ideal for this, even if he retires after a couple of years.
Actually, someone (not Nets) might be willing to pay Outlaw that money, after he is Amnestied.
AP's Mahoney says it's not real.
http://twitter.com/#!/briancmahoney/status/135103930815361024
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
It primarily effects guys on their rookie deals
Basically owners are trying to say, “Sure we’ll give you your rookie bonus pool for overachievers, but we want to recoup that money from guys like Thabeet.” What’s likely to happen is that owners get the ability to send guys down beyond just their first 2 years in the league, but continue to pay full price on their contracts.
how so?
there are no more talks, says Stern. Take it or leave it.
Maybe that changes, and maybe the offer is being kept secret so deals can be cut, but maybe it’s just what it is, an ultimatum.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
The DLeague rule is some BS
I like raising the age for rookie to 20. Players will be more mature and skilled
NBA already denied it
NBA_Labor NBA Labor
.@RicBucher Incorrect; only preliminary discussions have been held on NBA/NBA D-League relationship; nothing in 11/11 proposal
gee, is it possible an agent slipped this to Bucher?
NO…that would be wrong.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Or a player loses two years of making millions of dollars
Or a player get injured in college. Example: Ralph Sampson.
Some coaches and GMs argue a rookie grows more just by being in the NBA, and would rather have players straight from high school.
If they make the D-League rule real
Then I think you lower the age limit. So if that 18 year old comes in immature and less skilled, you send his ass to the D-League until he matures but at least you still have his rights.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 11, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
its not
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I know it's not
I’m saying hypothetically if it were to happen then it would make more sense to lower the age limit.
by Anthony Perez on Nov 11, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
No way this deal gets done
Too many issues that haven’t been touched. This is what you get for taking so many days off between negotioations and not having intense negotiations during the summer or immediately following the finals. Either that or players should have decertified during summer and are now paying the price.
NFLPA and NFL I heard, met for a bunch of consecutive days and yet the NBPA and NBA can’t even meet for 3 consecutive.
by Barclays Center 2012 on Nov 11, 2011 5:25 PM EST reply actions
I know there are a lot of Dwight to Brooklyn groups.
But if you guys would be willing to follow another one, I have the link to the page and Twitter account in my signature.
New CBA leaves little need for player Agents. Therefore Agents best interest is to discourage new CBA.
Players might be misled if they listen to their Agents.
...and yet
Ray Allen, who uses a lawyer rather than an agent to negotiate his deal, is a hardliner.
Not that simple.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Agents are just specialized lawyers without the extensive training and certification (bar exam).
Someone has been spreading false reports about items that aren’t in the new CBA in order to discourage players.
Very fishy.
Owners will need to put in writing that those items won’t be forced onto players later on, without consent.
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