NetsDaily Off-Season Report #26
Twenty-six weeks. That's a half a year since the Nets have played basketball as a team, 26 off-season reports. Ugh. With less than two days to go before David Stern's Monday deadline for canceling regular season games, we're hopeful that the two sides will do a deal and open the floodgates of free agency, amnesty, rookie signings, etc.
So that's where we're focused, on things like how to read Russian tea leaves about CSKA Moscow's signing of Andrei Kirilenko; who to look for when amnesty takes effect; why we think the Nets almost made two of the worst free agent signings last year, where to check out videos of European prospects, etc. We also take a look at Mikhail Prokhorov's continuing political ambitions, Bob MacKinnon's first experience with developing a Nets player and our new favorite basketball video.
Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, and of course, the lockout. We will rely on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who slip interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...plus our own reporting and analysis.
AK-47 and the Nets
You'd have to think Andrei Kirilenko is on the Nets' short list for that missing piece at (either) forward, with all his skills and Russian heritage. Billy King was reportedly talking to Kevin O'Connor about him last February when the conversation shifted to another member of the Jazz. Of course, we know little about how Deron Williams feels about his former teammate, other than a tweet from his friend and assistant Matt Mitnick that mentioned AK-47's lack of durability and noted that the question is always...how much?
Now, Kirilenko is back in Moscow, signed to a three-year "NBA out" contract with CSKA Moscow, Mikhail Prokhorov's old team. The other signature on the contract is that of Andrei Vatutin, CSKA's president and the man Prokhorov offered a Nets assistant GM position last year. Vatutin turned down the job but relations remain good. Also, Sergey Kushchenko, the Nets new director, was Euroleague executive of the year while running CSKA. (Kushchenko, it should be noted, pointedly told NetsDaily back in June, "Mikhail has said many times, and I fully agree with him, that we are not looking to bring Europeans, including Russians, into the Nets as a goal in itself. To build a winning franchise, you have to have only one goal in mind: to get the best possible people, no matter where they are.")
Does this mean AK-47 is likely or unlikely to join the Nets? Don't know, but as of late, we've heard the names Tayshaun Prince and Caron Butler a lot more frequently than Kirilenko's. Still, the CSKA connection will once again raise the speculation which began the minute Prokhorov's name was first associated with the Nets.
Stern disses D-Will
Lost in last week's press briefing by David Stern was this exchange, as reported by Ira Winderman in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel:
Asked about Los Angeles Lakers guard Kobe Bryant's since-aborted bid to play in Italy, Stern was coy and curt during last week's lockout media session. "A player who makes $16 million is going to make $3 million in Turkey, and a player who makes $5 million here is going to make $1 million in China," the commissioner said, alluding to Deron Williams and, perhaps, J.R. Smith. "We have no reaction other than, 'Be safe, come back when we settle.' "
There's been no response from Williams.
Brooklyn Nets - When?
The Nets won't officially become the Brooklyn Nets until next season, but what happens in the (unlikely) event the season is canceled in January and the team rolls out the new team logo, colors and uniforms in February, as currently planned? Does it make any sense to keep calling them the New Jersey Nets if they're never going to play another game in the state? Who's going to want to make that call?
It's not a possibility we're looking forward to. No farewell to New Jersey at the Rock. No weeks of over-hyped nostalgia (okay, we can probably live without that) and what if they make the playoffs and every crucial game won't be about just elimination but about the end of an era? In a sports sense, that's bittersweet and the stuff of drama.
You're starting to see subtle evidence of the shift in likely and unlikely places. Last week, of course, it was the naming event at the arena. This week, Gary Sussman tweeted an image of a new Brooklyn mural at the Nets headquarters in East Rutherford. The team will continue to train and maintain basketball operations offices in New Jersey through their first year in Brooklyn. By year two, however, the Nets are expected to be in a new training facility, probably in New York. Soon, you'll start to hear more about moving the team's business offices from that converted warehouse in East Rutherford to a high-rise space in Brooklyn. No doubt it will be a Bruce Ratner-owned space. The Nets have already looked at three locations, one across Atlantic Avenue from the arena.
Prokhorov back to business? Nope
Mikhail Prokhorov has been silent the last week or so, but that is expected to change on Monday. A political ally says he may lay out future plans then and they are likely to be more about Russia than ONEXIM or the Nets.
"I think that he will now be more into politics than into business," Evegeny Roizman told a Moscow paper. "He continues to insist that he is not into short-term projects. He's not going to stop. He has many supporters. There's a search for new forms of work: it will be either a party or a movement. No hurry, but the details could appear as early as Monday."
Prokhorov has been staying in Moscow awaiting a call to meet with President Dmitry Medvedev or Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, barely leaving his offices at ONEXIM so he can quickly head to Russian government offices just outside the Kremlin. After resigning from "Right Cause" and criticizing the Russian system of managed democracy, he asked for a meeting with either of the two men. Neither has responded...other than to dump him from the country's modernization commission.
Owners' mistakes...theirs, not ours
We find it interesting that Michael Jordan, owner, is opposed to big salaries for players, but as a union rep he went after owners who couldn't make a big enough profit, saying they should just sell their teams. Of course, he stands to become much richer if the CBA is restrictive. He paid so little for the Bobcats and could, with some help from a new CBA, sell high. At least, that's what Forbes is reporting.
Of course, that assumes he doesn't make any more mistakes...like he has over the past several summers...one of which we are happy he made since it saved the Nets from having two of the worst signings of 2010.
On July 9 of 2010, fearful that the Nets were going to swoop in and grab him, Jordan signed Tyrus Thomas to a five year, $40 million deal. That was $5 million more than Travis Outlaw (signed the day before). It didn't end there. Knowing the Nets were willing to give Thomas a front-loaded offer sheet, the Bobcats agreed to a 17.5 percent bonus up front, meaning Thomas earned $12 million last season. After tearing his meniscus, Thomas played half a season, 41 games (two starts), while averaging 10.2, 5.5 and 0.7 and shooting 47%.
Now Jordan must decide if he wants to amnesty Thomas who's owed $33 million on the books and has a history of underachieving and injuries. More likely, he'll try to dump some of his other mistakes: DeSagana Diop, who's owed $14 million and still can't shoot, or Corey Maggette, who's owed $21.1 million and is still a ball hog, or Matt Carroll, who's still one-dimensional and owed $7.4 million. If you're looking for bright spots in last summer's free agency for the Nets, not signing Thomas was one of them.
Amnesty rules
Speaking of amnesty, below is a list we put together of the players who've been mentioned as amnesty candidates if, as reported, teams are permitted to "amnesty" one of their own once the lockout ends. Several teams would have to choose between a number of candidates like the Bobcats and the Magic, but others like the Spurs, Wizards, Suns and Pacers have no-brainer choices. Oh yeah, the Nets do too.
So here's the possibilities, based on what we've been reading.
Outlaw, Maggette, Thomas, Carroll, Diop, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer, Baron Davis, Brendan Haywood, Al Harrington, Richard Hamilton, Charlie Bell, Andris Biedrins, Hasheem Thabeet, Jonny Flynn, Chris Kaman, James Posey, Luke Walton, Mike Miller, Darko Milicic, Drew Gooden, Beno Udrih, Brad Miller, Nikola Pekovic, Renaldo Balkman, Nate Robinson, Jason Richardson, Gilbert Arenas, Hedo Turkoglu, Elton Brand, Andres Nocioni, Josh Childress, Brandon Roy, John Salmons, Francisco Garcia, Richard Jefferson, Leandro Barbosa, Linas Kleiza, Mehmet Okur, Rashard Lewis.
This of course would dramatically expand the free agent pool if not improve it. All these players have flaws or they wouldn't be on the list. Who would win in an amnesty...at least as it's been reported? Rich teams and rich players. As Chris Bernucca of Sheridan Hoops reported, the Heat would be crazy not to pursue Lewis at a minimum salary or near to it. And since some, if not most, of these players will have more than one suitor, they may be able to parlay their buyout deal with a new, somewhat above minimum salary contract. Those are some reasons why we think the amnesty rule, when it's finally written, will not look like what's been reported.
Bob MacKinnon's first foray in Nets player development
The Nets hired Bob MacKinnon to be coach of the Springfield Armor because of his record as a coach, having won the D-League title with the Colorado 14ers in 2009 and because he has a remarkable record of developing players, based on his call-up record. But his job as Armor coach won't be the first time he's been called upon to help develop a Nets player.
It was MacKinnon who was asked to work with Sean Williams in Colorado back in 2008-09 and then dispatched him back to New Jersey with a "return to sender" stamp.
Here's how we reported it back then.
Dave D’Alessandro writes Saturday about Sean Williams’ tour of duty in Colorado and the reason why he came home so soon.
It wasn’t because he was ready.
According to D'Alessandro:"Lawrence Frank spoke with Colorado coach Bob MacKinnon about Sean Williams before he was returned to sender.
"'Coach said he had some good moments and some, uh, other moments,' Frank said. Asked what his player got out of the eight-game stint with the 14ers, Frank replied, 'It was, uh, an experience for him ... but at least he got to play.'
"According to Nets officials, Williams was miserable -- late for a practice and a disruptive influence, is the common refrain -- leading MacKinnon to strongly endorse his return to Jersey for more individual attention".
No one is holding that against MacKinnon considering Sean Williams' downward spiral after that...and of course, we hope "Bob Mack" has a chance to work with Nets players and not just those who Milton Lee drafts next month.
Our favorite new video
There is in China group of Pacers fans (hey, it's a big country, there are groups of everything!) who decided to re-enact the biggest moments in Reggie Miller's career, including Game 1 of the 1995 Eastern Conference finals, Game 4 of the Eastern Conference finals, and Game 5 of 2002's first round, that titanic struggle that decided the Nets' fate as a franchise (Remember, later reviews showed that there was no way he could have gotten that shot off in time.)
We cannot believe a Pacer fan blog trashed the effort! Get a life, bloggisist.
And our favorite new YouTube Channel
TheDrizzleIsLocal is a British basketball fan who set up his YouTube channel back in August, just before the FIBA Eurobasket. His channel is filled with video highlights of European players, mostly NBA prospects, including Bojan Bogdanovic, as they play in all manner of leagues and tournaments. He edits the highlights from European TV and posts them, often within hours.
Other than the Bogdanovic highlights, take look at Jonas Valanciunas highlights vs Germany in the Eurobasket and tell us that the Jazz did the smart thing by taking Enes Kanter over Valanciunas with the Nets' pick back in June. The Lithuanian seven footer played well against both Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Kaman. He even has a skyhook!
Final Note
By Monday, we will know the fate of the season's first two weeks and unfortunately maybe more. Sides will harden once the prospects of lost games and lost revenues set in. Divisions within the union and ownership could get worse. Free-lancing among both sides is likely and will confuse the issue. Grandstanding will be the order of he day.
On the other hand, if the first two weeks are canceled, it's still not a given that all 82 games will be lost. Schedule makers know who to call in arenas around the NBA to see where games can be fit. It won't be easy. We continue to hope for the best and know that if the Nets need to get D-Will back t the US, there's a Gulfstream V at Vnukovo Airport in Moscow that can hold a family of six and serves only the best champagne.
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Nice job as always NI...
Very interesting that Prokhorov won’t back down…
Sterns take on D-Will and other players playing overseas is very telling on how Stern and the owners might view this lockout..
I hope the lockout gets resolved, but instead of getting bitter if it doesn’t, I will look forward to when it does. We take too many things for granted in life and maybe we need those things to be taken away for a short time, to makes us truly appreciate them…
Thanks for all your fine work in these tough times NI…
Better days will be coming soon…Right around the corner in fact..
i am
so desparate for basketball that i watched the WNBA finals last night. This needs to end soon.
by shane gayle on Oct 8, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
id watch if they lowered the rim to 9 feet. I want to see dunks!
the womens game is pure basketball IMO
not as many ISOs, ball movement, TEAM
(Remember, later reviews showed that there was no way he could have gotten that shot off in time.)
I recall that during that year’s playoffs, there were several buzzer beater shots that shouldn’t have counted but did.
- Reggie’s three against the Nets.
- Samaki Walker three at the buzzer at the end of the first half in G4 of the Lakers-King series… Lakers won by won (Horry’s shot at the buzzer) that shot by Walker could have completely changed the outcome of that game and series (Kings were 1-2 up, had they won that game they would have been 1-3 up with 2 of the remaining 3 games at home).
I also remember that year Baron Davis (when he was playing with the Charlotte Hornets) hit a three at the end of regulation of game 3 or 4 at Orlando, but the officials waived the basket off, when it should have counted…
not to mention Bavetta’s mistakes in G6 of th 1998 finals (Hornacek hit a three that should have counted but Bavetta waived it off, Ron Harper hit a basket after the shot clock buzzer but they counted it)… Bulls won by one, the result of the game and the series could have been completely different (if Utah had won that game they had g7 at home).
I also remember that year Baron Davis (when he was playing with the Charlotte Hornets) hit a three at the end of regulation of game 3 or 4 at Orlando, but the officials waived the basket off, when it should have counted…
Yeah dude this was the first thing that came to mind.
So awful.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 9, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Lockout hopefully ends soon
next two days are going to be very interesting. Prepare for the worst, but keep praying for the best.
congrats to a former member of the organization
AlexKennedyNBA: Ed Stefanski is expected be hired as the next general manager of the Toronto Raptors, according to league sources.
Hopefully
He will draft like he did for the Nets.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
by Net Income on Oct 8, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think
Doug Collins has more say over personnel than Thorn, which means Iguodala should be off the market.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Oct 8, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe Thorn is fully taking over?
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 9, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
his job is up for review as well
little known fact. I am told by STH that Josh Harris, new owner of the Sixers, is former Nets season ticket holder!
Transfer has yet to be approved.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Can he give us Iggy for nothing?
i was gonna say Outlaw but thats worse than nothing
Nets Mets Giants ALL DAY
Outlaw is worse
than worse than nothing.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Oct 8, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Neta, Sixers, now Raptors
Ed is sure making his way around the atlantic
by djeterfan on Oct 8, 2011 6:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Get paid
to go to teams that can only do so much……the American dream.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
...
but what happens in the (unlikely) event the season is canceled in January
So now it is unlikely?
I think it's fine.
Ira Winderman: Caron Butler with an athletic steal in transition. Just a nice thing to see for someone who has worked so hard to make it back
ZING!
by D Will to Succeed on Oct 8, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
Meh.
I’ll take him on a fat one year deal as a stopgap, with that I would be thrilled, but he’s been pretty average the last 2 or 3 seasons and was always incredibly overrated even in his really good 3 or 4 season run.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 9, 2011 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions
isola: both Carmelo and Chris Paul got injured in the exhibition game
maybe nothing serious, but still
melo cramps = out of shape
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I prefer Caron at SF
It would help us tremendously to have a wing who could create his own shot and give us 15 ppg next to Deron and Brook. I think we should give him a 1 year, 8-10 million offer (only if there is an amnesty though). He would probably accept because it gives him the ability to reestablish his value in FA for 2012. Plus, it would be a pretty lucrative deal for him considering he’s 30 and coming off injury. However, this would give us cap flexibility in 2012, while gaining a solid player for 2011.
by dwill8brooklynbound on Oct 8, 2011 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually, he turns 32 this season.
But yeah, that’s how I’ll take him, a one year stopgap.
Any other way, some other team could have him.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 9, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Its been reported
That the players meeting was cancelled tomorrow. No confirmation but this could be final hail mary attempt for union and nba to get a deal done before Monday.
by djeterfan on Oct 9, 2011 12:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
False alarm as noted below by soul driver
by djeterfan on Oct 9, 2011 12:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Owners don't want an agreement before the players start losing pay checks.
So why is the media teasing people about a possible 11th hr. agreement?
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
So yes, union talked with players in Miami on Saturday; will meet with more in LA on Monday. And NBA will cancel first two weeks of season.
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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Via union source: Meeting was scheduled for Sunday but players in Miami for FIU game requested it be held on Saturday night. So they had it.
Love the video
that blogger was quite a --
JJ for 3!
I see Bear Grylls on the side of NetsDaily
Better drink my own piss…
by nets14 on Oct 9, 2011 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Not mentioned regarding AK47 is that he said he would be giving his salary from CSKA to Charity.
This tells me that he is loyal to the Mother Country, and hopefully to his friend Proky also.
Any idea what that salary will be?
The fact that he signed for 3 years, with a NBA out, tells me that if the Nets won’t take him, he is prepared to stay in Russia.
And maybe he will try to offer his services for much less that the other names mentioned at SF?
Cap space will be crucial (especially if Nets go after Nene), and AK has the advantage of being able to play PF also.
Avery Johnson, though, likes BIG SFs.
Perhaps the "amnesty" list can be a separate topic, with current contracts and team listed too.
Does anyone know if teams would be able to re-sign players that they just “amnestied”?
There are some players on that list, who would look nice in a Nets uniform, but what are the chances that a Richard Jefferson, Okur, Brad Miller or a Salmons would be willing to sign with Nets for around 2 million per year?
More likely is that the top teams would benefit, thus hurting the Nets and chances to re-sign DWill.
I’m not convinced that Amnesty for the NBA is a good thing for Nets. Everything is relative.
There's no way they let teams resign with players they just amnestied
Do you want Outlaw back?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Avery would take back Outlaw for Vets. Min. Certainly Spurs would take RJ for Vets Min.
They have to have a rule that player can’t return to same team for the rest of the season.
And they would have to deal with weakening the MLE, so that players just Amnestied couldn’t make a nice profit, which joining contenting teams as a free agent.
I'm imagining this is how it will go down....
Amnestied player will not be allowed to sign with the team that amnestied them for the life of the contract they were amnestied from and not allowed to be traded back to the team they came from for a one season minimum.
Players will have to be paid 20% of the first year of their amnestied contract for a minimum of 2 seasons guaranteed.
75% of the value they were amnestied from will be reimbursed to the team that amnestied them for the life of the contract at minimum to discourage amnestied players from signing for vet min and discourage exuberant double pay days.
As example, Outlaw is amnestied, he must be signed to at least a 2 season deal with first year salary of a minimum of 1.4 million dollars.
If it is flat rate, at least 2.1 million is reimbursed to the Nets by his new team equaling 75%.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Ronnie Brewer
Was one of Derons Close friends in Utah along with Korver. I’d take them both for cheap. Brewer strictly for defense and hustle.
Elton Brand would be the move I made even b4 Nene. He puts up better #’s and is cheaper. Brand would prob want to go to a contender at this point in his career though. I can see him going to Mia or back to Chi.
I’d also give Roy a shot to play SF behind a Prince or AK47. I think he can give a valuable 20 min a nite. He is going to play on that knee until it just gives out, dude has heart.
Garcia, Richardson, Lewis are all interesting amnesty options at the 3. None of them make Deron swoon but they add to bench depth after a legit signing.
I think the amnesty will bring a rush of players trying to skate their way to a ring. Teams like LA, Mia, Chi, Dal, SA, NYK will get 1st dibs at these players. NJ/BK will have to sign at least 2 legit starters b4 they look in the amnesty bucket. That may attract more players to the fold.
Also add Antawn Jamison to that list.
This may be the most interesting season ever in NBA when the season eventually starts. Free agency is going to be like a bridal sale in soho.
If Stern is set on leveling the playing field, he can't let contending teams swoop up all the Amnestied players for cheap.
Being under the cap needs to be rewarded and being over the cap shouldn’t be rewarded with more goodies.
A fair point
Miami shouldn’t get to sign Roy for pennies
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Of all the players on the list
the one i want most is Korver. Then Morrow becomes expendable
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Oct 9, 2011 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I have very little interest is giving up someone in Dwight's top 5
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
"Your 2010-2011 New Jersey Nets - It Is What It Is"
Who is better? That should be what's more important
Were trying to build a Championship team
When can i get my Dwight Howard Brooklyn Nets Jersey?
by AmbassadorAmeer on Oct 9, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BTW, that Indy blogger is a real bunt cake.
I thoroughly enjoyed that reenactment.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 9, 2011 3:49 AM EDT reply actions
Breaking News:
Blake Griffin poses in thong for ESPN the Magazine
There’s no panic in Blake Griffin, whether it’s holding out with his fellow NBA players for a better labor deal or posing nearly nude in a national magazine.
Griffin doesn’t think the players will flinch even as the league’s lockout threatens the start of the season next month. He didn’t blink when given his choice of a white, black or leopard thong to don for the photo shoot.
I think these players need to get back to work and soon…
pissed off!
When Monday rolls around and David Stern cancels the first two weeks of the season, the players and owners are going to finally get serious and sit down and make a damn deal.
I think we don’t see games until Christmas. What a bunch of idiots!
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
no they arent
sides will then harden and we will await a while for next meeting
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Have some faith guys, there is still time left on the clock...
Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then David Stern arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
I read somewhere that the deadline is midnight Monday night, don’t know if that’s correct or not…
Who cares.
I can save everyone the suspense.
Basketball on Christmas Day, in a NBA where things are more level, just like the owners want.

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