NetsDaily Off-Season Report #29
They're playing with our emotions now, the gods of the NBA, a/k/a the players and owners. After two days of heightened optimism, we were let down...again...on Friday. Now, all we know is that the season will be a month shorter, but with no way of knowing how many games will eventually be played, when, where and with whom.
But we soldier on, hoping against hope, but fearing that the number of Off-Season Reports could stretch into the triple digits if these guys don't come to their senses.
This week, we think about what Jamal Crawford would bring to the Nets; overhear a rumor about an assistant coach; find Damion James in a Houston gym working out with some high-powered young players; note how it wasn't only fans who were ready for the season to begin on Friday...so was the front office; track the latest tacky turn in the Kris and Kim melodrama; praise Brook Lopez for his role in the NBA's anti-bullying campaign; take a long look at how Mikhail Prokhorov is going to keep his hand in politics; and change our mind on D-Will to Europe.
Every Sunday, we update the Nets off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, and of course, enduring the lockout. We rely on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who slip interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...as well as our own reporting and analysis.
Jamal Crawford?
Do the Nets need another scorer? Yup. A wing who can shoot the big shot? Yup. A reliable sixth man...and one with the hardware to prove it? Yup. Jamal Crawford's fun tweets with Deron Williams this week about playing together struck a chord. Frank Isola also hinted about Crawford's possible interest in the Nets a few weeks back.
Of course, the team already has two other wings who like Crawford are more shooting guards than small forwards: Anthony Morrow and MarShon Brooks. Would signing Crawford mean that the Nets plan to move Morrow and/or Brooks for someone else who plays a position of need? Or would the prospect of adding a second big man, like a Nene or Tyson Chandler to the mix this year (or Dwight Howard later in the season) make it easier to run two undersized wings at the same time? Just some food for thought.
We're Hearing a Rumor...
In addition to P.J. Carlesimo, we hear the Nets may be hiring a new assistant coach with championship credentials, someone with multiple rings. The indications we're getting is that the this would be the coach's first job on the NBA sidelines.
Now the easy guess, and we need to emphasize it's just a guess, is Scottie Pippen. Pippen has made a couple of trips to Russia for Mikhail Prokhorov (and just as importantly, is friendly with Sergei Kushchenko, the Nets new director). He has played in one of Prokhorov's charity games, flew deep into Siberia to give some star power to Prokhorov's Russian college basketball program, and took some friendly (rifle) shots with the Russian biathlon team in northern Maine last February, a team run by Prokhorov and Kushchenko. He's currently an "ambassador" in the Bulls organization.
Of course, a number of Avery Johnson's former teammates on the Spurs have multiple rings as well.
Last season, the Nets had six assistants, including Rich Dalatri, strength and conditioning, and Doug Overton, player development. (Dalatri also has an assistant, Mike Wenzel.) Two assistants are gone: John Loyer and Larry Krystkowiak and Johnson has said he plans to move Popeye Jones up a notch and give Overton more responsibilities. The three assistants who sit in front with the head coach are likely to be Sam Mitchell, Popeye Jones and, if he's hired, Carlesimo. The new assistant would presumably sit in back with Tom Barrise, who has a management role; and Overton.
James Spotting
Damion James is probably the Nets player who we've heard the least of this off-season...the anti-Kris Humphries, so to speak. There was a report he had hosted a concert in his hometown of Nacogdouches, TX. He played a little in one of his buddy Kevin Durant's benefit games. Now, we get a little more information out of an AP story on Seton Hall player Herb Pope's comeback. James, it's reported, has been working out in Houston.
During his seven weeks in Houston, Pope worked out with Derrick Williams of the Minnesota Timberwolves, the second pick overall in the NBA draft, Damion James of the New Jersey Nets, Jonny Flynn of the Minnesota Timberwolves and Tristan Thompson, the former Texas star who was the fourth overall in the draft by the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Not bad company...a group of young and athletic players. No idea how often he worked out, but from the sounds of the story, it's been regularly. The Nets have high hopes for James who they traded a couple of picks for at the 2010 draft. His season was cut short by a broken foot.
Dunk Champion Returns to Springfield
L.D. Williams, who won the D-League Showcase Slam Dunk championship last year, will return to Springfield, the Armor announced this week. Williams, a 6'4" Wake Forest product, averaged 10.8 points, 3.7 rebounds and 1.8 assists per game. Four of last year's Armor players have announced their intention to return to the Nets' minor league team this season. Scottie Reynolds has yet to announce his intentions. He has until Monday, as do all returning D-Leaguers.
Layoffs?
We've not heard of any Nets layoffs this off-season. One big reason why things are stable on the employment front is that the Nets are also preparing for the move to Brooklyn and in fact more than a handful have already moved into Forest City Ratner's executive offices at MetroTech, Ratner's billion dollar office complex.
Even without Brooklyn, the Nets have wanted to keep people at the ready, should the lockout end quickly, as was hope on Friday. Deadspin, the irreverent sports site, in fact reported that the Nets ticket staff was told to get ready for the lockout's possible end...
The New Jersey Nets ticket sales office, idle for most of the fall, is holding a series of hastily called meetings today under the theme "Be Ready." One staffer tells us that a department-wide email has been circulated, instructing employees that "it's time to get back to work."
That's encouraging and let's hope the next time isn't another false alarm.
Lopez as Leader
Brook Lopez along with Steve Nash, Grant Hill, Jared Dudley and Dwight Howard were among the players the NBA used as leaders in its anti-bullying campaign, Think Before You Speak, writes Kevin Arnovitz of ESPN. The group all participated in the program, with print and television ads as well as tweeting.
The campaign, in conjunction with the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, is designed to address the use of anti-gay language among teens. Lopez and Nash, on line early in the campaign, agreed to participate in print ads, Hill and Dudley in the television commercials and Howard in a series of tweets.
Along with features about Warrior president Rick Welts' decision to come out as a gay man, the ads were part of a coordinated effort by the NBA to address the issue, something else now on hold as a result of the lockout.
Kris and Kim...Kaput?
So apparently, the rumors are true. Last week we reported that TMZ had set everyone straight on the reports of Kris Humphries and Kim Kardashian's marriage, that it was strong! As we noted, tongue firmly planted in cheek, that if you you can't believe Harvey Levin's TMZ, who can you believe?
Well, this week, we are in the odd position of using TMZ to show just how wrong they were only last week. We know you're shocked. Levin is indeed the Walter Cronkhite of his times.
TMZ first posted this video of the two apparently having a tiff in her car.
BUT two days later, they got Kaela Humphries, Kris' sister, to deny it all.
Still, Kim admits to People there are issues.
It's not ideal because you're newlyweds and you want privacy," she recently told PEOPLE, explaining the challenges of living with her new husband and sister Kourtney, her boyfriend Scott Disick and their son Mason
Kim's mom (and Kris' manager) did seem to hint to People that the relationship could be bi-coastal soon. Hope he's making a lot of money from the Kardashians. He deserves it.
Prokhorov Plans (Including Keira Knightley!)
Don't expect Mikhail Prokhorov to go gently into that good night, politically speaking. While he has said he won't be rejoining the electoral fray anytime soon ("until conditions are ripe for change"), he has slowly begun to lay out plans for larger cultural initiatives...some with political overtones.
He's donated nearly $300,000 to sponsor a national tour by one of Russia's leading poets and satirists, one who regularly skewers the Kremlin, employing an actor to read his poems in theaters around Russia.
During performances, Mikhail Efremov, reads poetry on current issues written by the satirist Dmitri Bykov. This "Citizen Poet" program can be heard on "Moscow Echo", an independent radio station and seen on F5, an online channel of Prokhorov's In one of the issues Efremov read a poem about Mikhail Prokhorov, entitled " Uncle Stepan - a billionaire." Prokhorov reportedly liked it.
In addition to "Citizen Poet," Prokhorov, will cover the costs of the creation of drama schools in the regions. British actress Keira Knightley will have a role in the project. which is costing him a million dollars. At the same time, he is reportedly interested in buying the TV Channel, Rain, and a popular website. Prokhorov already owns RBC, a popular business website and television channel, which in turn owns a humor and satire site. Plenty of room to manuever.
A lot of his initiatives will be centered on his Made-in-Russia website, a patriotic website. Expect more to be announced soon.
However, Prokhorov has already felt the sting of the Kremlin on one business deal. His plans to list Polyus Gold, his biggest cash cow, on the London Stock Exchange was delayed, possibly on procedural grounds, possibly as warning to Prokhorov to watch what he's doing politically. The postponement was ordered by a committee chaired by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.
Final Note
Sometime in the future, there will be a final final note in this series, but for now, let's just talk about Deron Williams. When he decided to go off to Turkey, we thought it was a bad idea and said so. The risks were too great, we felt. Now, we're not so sure. Besiktas has won six straight and he looked terrific the last couple of games (athough we think we've seem him protect that wrist). To the question, what's better, to play in a regularly scheduled series of games overseas or in a bunch of catch-and-catch-can benefit games here and there, we answer: playing overseas. He has a physical and mental regimen. He plays competitively, not against buddies. He plays defense. He gets feedback on a daily basis. Yes, he could get hurt, but so could Chris Paul, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony or any other star playing in state college gyms.
We've always thought D-Will is different from most NBA superstars. He is personally stable but also willing to take risks. He is loyal but also unsentimental. He may seem aloof but he's fully engaged. He has a wife and four kids. He met his wife in elementary school, his best friend in nursery school. He has no entourage or posse.
Moreover we agree with Brandon Jennings who this week ranked the best PG's in the league this way: "Deron Williams first. Derrick Rose, two. Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, and Steve Nash."
So, in closing, we say: Go Besiktas Black Eagles!
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Marshon Brooks: I’m really hurting from that workout earlier…
"NBA players are good, but even they’re not supermen. Thirty minutes in the game and there won’t be an NBA team to whom I won’t put in twenty points." -Drazen Petrovic
by D Will to Succeed on Oct 29, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions
i'm sure he's fine.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
VC > Crawford
For all the hate he gets, VC still put up better numbers than Crawford last year, despite some pretending he’s done and that JC is the best free agent SG or something. Sign VC, forget Crawford.
but at the end of a three year deal
who will be more valuable?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
well, Jamal is what 30?
he isn’t a long term answer either. Not that I’m against signing veterans, quite the contrary, but I’d rather spend on VC if we are signing a veteran SG, he’d be cheaper and would come for less years.
By the way, Crawford was saying playing next to Melo & Amare sounds good too and that he would consider signing with Chicago.
No idea how the FO feels about VC, Crawford, Boki or Yi.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Yi? Please let's not go down that road again
He was a marketing gimmick good for selling a few seats from chinatown.
by nynjlawyer on Oct 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
again, its not about Chinatown.
It’s about CHINA.
He is it now in the NBA. Might be a couple of years and I dont understand the resistance to giving anyone, short of a guy who’s a disruption, a small contract. Nets can afford it on every level.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
The Nets should worry about building a roster to win, not appease the Chinese market. They need a big to come off the bench that can be tough, play D, clean up on the boards. Yi does none of those things.
by nynjlawyer on Oct 29, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so you wouldnt give a guy who averaged 12 and 7.5
and had a 19 rebound game a small contract to help the team (and his teammates) get good deals in China????
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
It would have to be small. Real small.
Those numbers are hollow when you actually see him play. He is borderline awful at times.
by nynjlawyer on Oct 29, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a lot of players are borderline awful
but what else do they bring?
Boki Nachbar cannot pass a lick, averaged fewer than 1 assist game at a wing position. He’s 31. Yet people want to see him back.
Small risk, high reward.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
this is a team that signed Gheorge Muresan
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
how many playoff teams was Yi a part of?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 29, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
...and that matters how?
when we’re talking about a small contract for someone who is only on his fourth year and would require a minimal deal?
An apprropriate question re; Troy Murphy, perhaps.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Yi just
Is not that sharp. He makes bad decisions offensively. He’s bad defensively…and he has those butter fingers i hate. Rather the nets spend small money on someone who can at least play a role well. Id love J collins back.
Yi...
Is not that sharp. He makes bad decisions offensively. He’s bad defensively…and he has those butter fingers i hate. Rather the nets spend small money on someone who can at least play a role well. Id love J collins back.
gheorge mureshan actually had promise, unfortunately injuries finally took its toll on a frame that big
too bad the nets signed him too late. adding him to the display case of New Jersey purgatory from 95 to 2001 sans the 97-98 season
muresan actually won the MIP, and put his height to use leading the league in FG% twice. Yi, however old he is, does not belong in the NBA. Hate to sound a bigot but just because he is chinese doesnt qualify him for a roster spot. Chinese fans follow in herds but they are full of bliss. Its their fault,(thankfully in an ironic fashion) that the fan votes counts for even less in all-star games.
Winning builds popularity by respect. those kids re-enacted all of reggie millers great shots, not Yi’s 12 and 7 lowlights. Yi will never contribute positively to a winning team. Yi’s best season was as good as muresans rookie year.
glad basketball reference added the similar career arc because brook lopez falls under muresans projected career arc while Yi is comparable to Josh Powell and Julian Wright. a seven footer julian wright? thats what bring popularity? lakers and celtics did not use foreign players to get popular. and as i said before the chinese are over there re-enacting old Pacers highlights. a team with one of the lowest cumulative attendance records the last 5 years
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 29, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a joke when the Nets got him
Again what is the problem with signing Yi to a small deal?
It’s a bonus for the franchise.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Yi will be even a bigger joke
sign a guy to sit on the inactive list just cause he’s chinese
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 30, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Few things...
A) Crawful will be 32 this season, he’s no spring chicken.
B) Yi is borderline nothing, he’s full blown bucket of suck.
C) Boki was blek as well, no thanks.
Let’s bring in some real NBA players and worry about marketable gimmicky junk next year.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 29, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
There are 15 roster spots
You think teams sign players purely on the basis of talent. There are often extraneous reasons at the end of the roster — somebody’s pal; owners whacky preference, business decisions.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I'd prefer vets or young guys who are good practice players and lockerroom presences.
Not guys with agendas whose only goals are to get as many minutes as possible and stat stuff once there to try and keep those minutes.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yi worked hard
good practice player. Never heard anything to the contrary.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
He was a good player
but many feel he wasn’t worth what we traded him for. I thought he played fairly well.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
against chair Yi was a legend.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
by universal on Oct 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This kid is sharp as a tack!
As a tack I tell ya!

What was that sunny? I can’t hear you! Speak into my good ear!
Damn whippersnappers… Stay off my lawn!
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In some sense, Carter has an advantage
but he’s 34 and Crawford is just a dam chuck.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
Many might disagree but
I think every season should be a month shorter!!! (baseball/hockey too)
(PS: NI, you got the best sig here!)
Opulence, I has it.
the Nets should borrow it.
Its from the NBA documentary on the last night of the ABA. What I didnt realize is that the Nets were down by 22 in the third quarter of Game 7 and came back!
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
close enough ;-)
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I saw that doc!
Good stuff on Wendall Ladner too. The only prob was that they talked about how Doc led them back. Truth is Doc didn’t score a single point during the comeback. He was more a decoy as Super John Williamson scored like crazy down the stretch.
Opulence, I has it.
YouTube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOCE5VntNo&feature=related
Opulence, I has it.
by J-Sal on Oct 29, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I suspect both will
but the Blazers might wait on Roy if the amnesty is, as reported, a two year deal, where a team doesnt have to decide immediately on who to dump.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
that must be used before this season
that 2 year period to use as Stein reported is just a free-for-all measure, that’s not fair.
Peter Holt idea, as I recall.
makes sense for him. RJ could be valuable. Same with Roy.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
Idk if I want either though.
Roy isnt worth any contract as of now, and I think Rip is done. I would very much rather get Prince or Crawford.
Crawful is just a pail of worthless, why in god's name do people want this scrub?
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 29, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He was the best Sixth Man in NBA over last two years?
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
He was voted it once and it was certainly questionable solely based on competition for the award.
But that season he was pretty good.
Quite literally his only meaningful and impactful season ever.
This year, not so much.
I cringe watching this guy play, he’s not a positive impact player and he kills the flow of the offense completely while playing some of the worst D in the league.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
thats just wrong
he had slight dropoffs last year, but still averaged 14.2 ppg without a single start. Over the last two years, he was the best sixth man in the game.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
You don't believe in advanced stats or even raw FG% for that matter?
Or team success?
Or the fact teams couldn’t wait to get rid of him for other bad contracts?
Or you like his ball stopping, low BBIQ, playground style?
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he was Sixth Man of the Year
coaches want sixth men to do one thing well: shoot and he does.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
That's why he CAN'T start
he doesn’t play any Defense what so ever. His job is to come in and see how many shots he can put up a game lol. He averaged 30 minutes per game, which is a crap ton of minutes for a team with a good SG. 30MPG, shooting 34% from the 3 and 42% overall, what a freaking steal.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
I don't want either, although I wouldn't cry a river if we wound up with Prince.
Here’s the thing, even if you want to spend up all the cap, then do some of the damage through trade, besides a handful of players that everyone will be after this offseason, the class is very blah.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are we gonna trade for?
Realistically speaking please.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
by Shameer1016 on Oct 30, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head?
Iggy
Kevin Martin
Granger
Jarred Dudley
Josh Smith
Wes Johnson
Batum
IDK all these guys will be available, but good players will ALWAYS become available for less then what you would at first imagine.
This is one of the things I kept preaching through the Melo Drama.
I kept drilling it in over and over, player become available, some obvious, some when least expected.
Everyone kept telling me, “But it’s Melo, players like him only become available once in a blue, almost never!”
And I kept telling them, that is the opposite of truth and reality, players like him become available maybe once a season.
Then I was told over and over about player like Gerald Wallace, how we had to make a move for him because he was so good and how players like him aren’t traded often.
Again, far from true. Especially with tier 3 and 4 guys like Crash, these players are available at least 5 times a season, at least.
These players don’t cost a lot in the form of assets, never do.
If we are going to spend the cap, so much that 2012 is thrown out the window, you land a wing through trade then, there are too many that either are available or will become for peanuts.
I don’t even love or hell even like a lot of the players on my short list above, but I like all of them a helluva lot better then 32 year old Tayshaun Prince at 7 mill a year for 3 or 4 years.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 31, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I posted this in another thread
Maybe I got it wrong since I haven’t seen it reported in any article covering the lockout, BUT during Stern’s last press conference on NBA TV I heard he said the owners had agreed to several minor petitions the players had made, including eliminating cap holds counting against the teams’ caps so they could have more room to sign free agents.
Anyone else heard this?
that aint minor to me
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
like I said I may have gotten it wrong
as I haven’t seen, read or heard anything about it reported in the media.
But I remember Stern said something about conceding on a number of “esoteric” things the players have requested and among them he talked about eliminating certain cap holds.
what this says to me
is that they got into the real nitty gritty.
Sheridan had a very good piece the other day what was agreed to. And in each and every case, the change seemed to benefit rich owners.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
the rich markets(and dan gilbert and paul allen) are running this
did you hear about cubans alleged “deal-breaker” where they scrap the salary-cap but just make luxury-tax penalties much harsher? yeah pretty easy if money flows like water to you and you’re a guy that can blow millions of dollars on fines every other season
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 29, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Cuban also suggested no cap. It works in MLB
by DJ HeavyDuty on Oct 29, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah? so what
Prokhorov is worth 2.5x what Cuban is worth.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
i guess you havent seen the mess the red sox and yankees are getting into
while the rays, rangers, brewers, cardinals, d’backs, giants, etc build from within with reasonable payrolls
there will be teams like the nationals who just give a Jayson Werth 100 mil because he put up some stats on a great team even though they arent close to contending and likely will struggle to make profit of that contract. The magic can become the nationals and just dole out money to a bunch of FA’s and convince dwight to stay. All it takes is one fluke playoff run
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 29, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees make huge profit
Who says their payroll isn’t “reasonabl”?
It’s not happening. nBA and MLB very different cultures.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
where was that profit in the 80's and early 90's
we’ll see how much profit they make when CC leaves and they are stuck with the corpses of the players formally known as jeter and a-rod and jorge among others
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
unreal analysis
HUGE profits will continue. The Yankees are an INSTITUTION.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
There was so much hope and optimism Thursdays night
and now we’re back to square 1
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
Crawford is exactly what we need.
A guy who could score everywhere on the floor, and can give a good 15-20 points a night. Also he takes big shots. He has some serious scoring abilities. If he comes for under 10 mil, do it! BTW, great write up as always, NI.
He's going to be 32, plays defense like Ali and is a chucking low BBIQ ball dominator.
What is there to like?
He can put up 20ppg on mediocre efficiency while having nearly zero impact on the game?
Worthless.
I’ll quite literally hurl if we sign him.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 29, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
1st Smart post you ever made lol
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
by Shameer1016 on Oct 30, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn, I'm getting flamed tonight!
LOL.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You'll get use to it......I did lol
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
by Shameer1016 on Oct 30, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha damn man, there isn't much to say in Crawful's favor besides he can score when he chucks mindless is there?
Dude, literally like 50% + of the NBA’s wings could put up a ton of points and a solid amount if assists on bad to middling efficiency if they’re allowed to ball dominate with a high usage rate with the green light to fire away like Hans Gruber in front of a room of plate glass windows.
It’s not even like he has the redeeming quality of defense, he’s putrid in that facet.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree the team could use that at small forward imo.
Crawford is exactly what we need.
When you have to shoot, shoot don't talk.
Deal will be done
By weekend.-NI
Not sure if this is important or not, but I found it to be interesting
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2011/10/28/dwight-howard-to-hold-all-star-charity.html
Looking forward to it.
"Most people on this board are like a broken clock, Only right two times a day"
have a bad feeling about hump with this much spotlight
it takes its toll. his trying to make the jump from a double double guy to all-star level player and reality tv is not know to help anyone’s game, let alone anyone’s marriage.
might have to preemptively dump the hump
imagine something extremely witty here
its not good
all the publicity about the marriage going south because of HIM and now it turns out he was ripped off. If he was married to some Minnesota girl, this would be a footnote to the scam story, not the lead.
Feel bad for the guy.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
He married Kim Kardashian, is a millionaire, and a pro athlete in his prime
I could I possibly feel bad for this guy? It sucks what he is going through, but no one’s life is perfect. He came real damn close to perfection.
by nynjlawyer on Oct 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His integrity and intelligence are questioned daily
In an arena that encompasses the world.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
I don’t want JCrawford personally. I like the Nets backcourt as is. I don’t want to see MarShon traded either. Whenever the season starts BK has some tough decisions to make if Otis doesn’t want to trade D12, he’s already said he won’t. Will Nene Prince Crawford be enough to keep Deron? Will the Nets be able to afford all 3? Or even 2?
no, BEFORE the season starts.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
No one will be more prepared than Billy the King.
I’d love to see his Plan A, B & C …. And how he’ll execute his agenda in such a minimal period of time.
by nynjlawyer on Oct 29, 2011 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah me too man
I really liked that article on how well King played his role as a leader and the #1 defender at duke. So far he has really done a great job in the front office. He has been very well prepared. He seems like he knows how to keep his relationships in check and his network strong. He struck that deal with the Jazz out of nowhere. No one in the league saw it coming. A big reason he got that done so covertly was because of the good relationship he has with the Jazz GM. Im very comfortable with King in the front office and im so happy Thorn isnt there.
I'm happy with every deal he made
Wasn’t crazy about what happened with Murphy but Courtney Lee for Brandan Wright isn’t awful if Wright works out.
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
You think Wright will be brought back?
Will he sign for minimum or a one year deal on the semi-cheap?
I mean I don’t see a lot of teams having a lot of interest, but why should we?
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I really hope so.
I think Wright still has the potential to be a decent minor rotation piece. The kid was very, VERY highly regarded in HS and after his one year in college, but has just been in a series of bad situations since and has had some serious injuries. His high school and college careers, and his size, compare pretty well to Favors. If Favors gets hurt and doesn’t develop over the next two years, would you want him back on the cheap, or would you write him off as a bust? You’d think he was worth a chance. Same with Wright.
Who knows. Remember how Kidd turned ordinary players into threats simply because they ran hard? Maybe the same will happen between DWill and Wright.
I'm not so against it. I think his real problem has been staying healthy.
But will that continue?
I’d take him on the super cheap though.
Didn’t seem like Avery was this guy’s # 1 fan though.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He's Hump insurance
remember this: the Nets wanted him. They were out of the playoffs and gave up a second round pick to get him (as well as pushing Murphy out the door, who was then cut by the Warriors.)
"It's as sweet as it ever was, I'll tell you. Now, hopefully, we started something and we can win some more championships, but we're going to enjoy this one right now. Have a little champagne." --Julius Erving, May 12, 1976, ABA champion Nets locker room.
That's why I'd be furious if they didn't bring him back
If they gave away a second-round pick for nothing it would show that the FO is disorganized and has no coherent plan. The only reason to acquire this kid in the middle of the season, when he was about to become a free agent, is because they intended to retain him. Sure, at this point it’s a sunk cost, but I see him as no different than a mid-first round pick . . . he’s young, inexperienced, but let’s see what he has. And he’ll end up costing about the same as a late first-round pick if they resign him.
I'll definitley take him if they can get him for maybe 2 years at 3 mill total.
He’s still got some potential as a 15mpg quality rotations player, you never know, maybe a lot more.
by vincecarter4pres on Oct 30, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding Kim and Kris ...
Did TMZ mention that Kim could be scolding Kris on his giving big $ to an old friend, who he even invited to their wedding.
Or could she be saying “you better make sure you return to New Jersey. No way I’m going to live in Indiana or Milwaukee”.
didnt heat them mention that but
Hump may have to take 5 mil and make “everyone” happy
by DJ HeavyDuty on Oct 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions

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