Random Trade Ideas VII
by mcmets33 on Jan 4, 2011 4:31 PM EST
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Since Melo doesn't want to be the lone superstar on a team, would it be possible for us to trade Devin, a #1, a #2, and $3 million cash to the Suns for Nash?
If we do that, and then do the trade on the table of Favors, Murphy, two #1s for Melo, our starting lineup would be
Nash
Morrow
Melo
Hump
Lopez
This lineup sounds a lot better than the lineup we currently have. With Nash, we would instantly be more attractive to Melo. We can then go after a PF such as David West or Carl Landry (or even Glen Davis) this off-season. I realize this is a lot of wishful thinking, but after reading that Melo wants to be on a team with fellow all stars, I realized just how badly we NEED to trade for someone so Melo will be willing to come play for us. Nash seems like a realistic option. If this did happen, and then we did trade away Favors, we would be after a young PF (Hump's numbers are good, but he clogs up the paint too much), so guys like West or Landry would be perfect to match up with Brook.
I've been a Nets fan my whole life, and I guess the Kidd era spoiled me. I go into every season expecting the Nets to make the playoffs. I realize this is no longer the case, but we have the chance to re-enter ourselves in conversations about the best teams in the East by adding Melo and another all-star. If you have other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
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keep dreaming...
melo will not come to the nets, nobody wants to come here, we are the ugliest team in the nba, period.
I like where your going with this
But i havent heard anything about the suns wanting to ship off Nash. If he were on the trade block i could possibly see us entertaining that trade although we do have to realize that Nash is pretty old for an NBA player. If we want Melo we will need to make a big trade pre-melo trade in order to get him to want to sign an extention with us. Will that happen? Possibly. But not likely. I havent heard many rumors of other big stars on the trade block so im not sure who else we could bring in to create an All star tandem like Melo wants.
I've posted something similar
I think the Suns would hold out for Lopez, which, if you play around with some other players financially, could work. I got killed on this Board for suggesting the trade with Lopez.. There seems to be some chatter on ESPN about Nash being available.
You’re not the only one who got killed for suggesting a Nash trade. I’m not dealing Lopez for him though.
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Harris as a centerpiece of a deal is enough. The price on Nash will be cheaper than CP3 and he comes off the books after next year also. I think you stand a better chance of making a play for him and then making a Melo deal involving Harrington.
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That’s what’s probably taking so long but they may also be trying to bring in his ‘help’ in the same trade on a 3 or 4 team trade. I think if he KNOWS there’s help coming, this would’ve been done a LONG time ago.
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Is that the Thorn with an extension and control of the player moves?
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It’s too early to tell. Right now, I like what King’s done. I didn’t think Thorn did a bad job. I was hoping that he would’ve stayed. I can see why. Avery wanted his say. I can’t blame Avery for lobbying for it though.
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i thought it was time for a change
thorns draft picks are mostly out of the league and was living off the vince carter trade
plus he put all his eggs in 1 basket and didnt take beasley for dooling and helped avery sign outlaw
i like what king has done, all his moves have been solid especially getting sasha
plus he got murphys expiring contract
yes it has, he was signed as a 12th man
the fact that he has given u 16 points and 14 points is gravy plus solid defense
he keep ringing Oklahoma
Outlaw + 2 first for Durant … if he tries hard enough thay have to say yes and Melo would come
LOLOL
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
he Suns have lost eight of their last 11 games and opposing teams aren’t convinced that they won’t trade former MVP Steve Nash before the Feb. 24 trade deadline.
According to a source, skepticism around the league may be warranted.
Phoenix is “on the fence” about which direction to go, even though they claimed their six-player trade with Orlando last month wasn’t a precursor to a Nash deal.
The team’s play over the next month will decide the direction they take.
The Suns are 14-18 entering Tuesday’s action and sit three games back of Portland for the final playoff spot in the Western Conference.
Nash have about 2 years left ....
If he is move, it would be to a playoff bound team needing a PG
I agree
that Melo won’t come to a 9-25 team. I agree completely. No one in their right mind would want to play for the Nets right now.
That being said, I think things change completely if we can pull of a trade before acquiring Melo. What everyone seems to forget is that we won 12 games last season. 12. We already have won 9 games this season, and we are only 4 games out of the playoffs. This is WITHOUT a real scorer. If you add Melo alone to this team, we are 100% a playoff team. Yes, we’d still only be a 7 or 8 seed, but that’s better than a 12 win season. Add Melo, along with a PG (I’d take Billups from the Nuggets), and a young PF like Landry, West, or Davis (meaning we lose Harris and Favors), and this is a team fighting with the Heat, Celtics, and Magic.
We would have a lineup of
Billups (or Nash or Andre Miller) / Farmar
Marrow / Vujacic (assuming we resign Vujacic)
Melo/ Outlaw
West (or Landry or Davis) / Hump (assuming we resign Hump, which may not happen if we sign one of these young PFs)
Brook/ Petro
I’m not saying this is realistic. I really don’t know if it is at all. I am not a GM. If I were, I wouldn’t be writing here. But acquiring a PG on the level of Nash or Billups, Melo, and then signing one of the young PFs in free agency doesn’t seem that unrealistic to me, and it would turn us into a contender.
you're right
He isn’t going to get traded. However, he can (and most likely will) opt out of his contract this summer, which is why I listed him with Landry and Davis as possible PF signings this off-season…
as do I
but, he will cost a lot more money than the other two, and IF we do somehow get Melo and a new PG like Nash or Billups, I don’t know if we will be able to afford West. However, money aside, West is by far the best PF available this summer.
I think that if CP3 becomes available, they’d deal West also because he’s close with him and they know he can opt out. If you land those two first and pair them up with Lopez, I think Melo has to reconsider. Can it be done? Probably not now but if King waits for NO to tank like Denver’s waiting for us to tank, it could happen.
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i agree we can't get 3 stud players
and as much as I wish we could get CP3, West, and Melo, there is no way we can get all 3. Both teams would want Favors and Murphy’s contract. It would cost wayyy too much.
What’s more realistic is getting Melo and Billups together from Denver, while giving up Favors, Murphy, some first rounders, and Devin (to a 3rd team), and signing a solid PF in free agency.
Possible PF Signings:
West (would cost too much)
Landry (also may be out of our price range, but more realistic than West)
Davis (realistic option)
Zach Randolph (probably out of our price range as well)
Kenyon Martin (first we’d have to see how much the latest injury has affected him, but would be a very interesting option at PF).
Or we can just resign Hump and have him be our starting PF for the future, but I’d prefer Landy or Davis.
I am all for
1) Trading harris for nash
2) Getting Melo w/o including Favors (Nuggets lost their shot at Favors for taking too long)
Nash/Farmar
Morrow/Vuja
Melo/Outlaw/James
Favors/Hump
Lopez/Petro
I am ok with that.
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+1
oh yeah and best believe Favors will be apart of that move so stop dreaming but it would be interesting to see if the Suns would give up Josh Childress for Outlaw if we would add another pick… hmmmmm
A man can wish, but
Imagine that King finds a way to keep Favors.
Nash, Melo, and Favors would sure look like an East Coast Version of Nash, Marion, and Amare. Of Course Melo is a better scorer then Marion. Amare had a few years under his belt then.
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+2
We have to remember that Nash is a 2 time MVP & he will make the game more fluid for Melo, Lopez, Morrow, & Favors (assuming he isn’t traded). And as boo said, his contract comes off the books in 2012, the year CP3 becomes a FA. BK pls. trade for Nash then Melo!
I would love Nash. Not sure how good he would be in a slowed down offense, and playing under a coach who needs to see defense.
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
I called for it. I’m glad we got more support for it. If you bring Nash, I still say outside of CP3, that’s the best PG you can give Melo. If you land him, that’s a hell of an upgrade. It’s short term but it can make an immediate impact. AT WORST, you can extend Nash another year into the first year in Brooklyn. Let’s make it happen.
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smh
true indeed but I can’t help but to think that Avery would give in alil more for Nash considering what he would bring to the team especially when a play breaks down. Just think who would’ve thought Kidd would be cool playing for a coach like the on currently in Dallas.
For all those harris fans, Here is a question for you.
Yeah Harris is my Whipping Boy. I dont like him as this teams PG. Good Player but I am just tired of his game.
Question:
After the first 3 years of playing with the Nets after being traded from another team, who would you rather
Stephon Marbury(26-56) or Devin Harris(12-70)?
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Lopez for Love?
You guys keep wanting to run him out of town and for some reason the coach can’t stand Kevin in Minny.
They're too in love with Darko.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
yeah Nash is the best option in alot of ways if we traded Harris
good post but I still think it would be an even better trade if we are able to get Phoenix to take Outlaw for Childress because as inevitable as the Carmelo trade seems I’m hard pressed to think Denver would take Outlaw in favor of Harrington…. but we might have hit it on the nail with this trade to the Suns because it seems to be the most likely scenario especially if the Suns continue to lose. Best believe Nash wouldn’t come to the Nets unless Carmelo comes and vice versa….
I think you’d have an easier time trying to convince Nash to come here. Once Nash is here, I think Melo would follow. Unless you swing both as part of a multi-team trade. I think you can get Nash for Harris + picks and still keep some of your assets to make the Melo trade. Harris looked good tonight but can he keep it up? Shows you what a PG can do for this team. Let’s get it done.
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This is why Phoenix would deal Nash
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/1/4/1913431/steve-nash-trade-rumor-suns-knicks
As far as why he’d want to come here, other than the Knicks playing well right now, why go to the Knicks? What can the Knicks move for him that they can afford to lose outside of Curry’s contract? Would they play him and Felton together? Phoenix wants to get younger. How many teams can offer a young PG that they’ll take back and can start for them right now? He and Avery were teammates. If you can convince him that he’s the first of many moves that this team will undergo, he may be open to it. Nash wouldn’t complain this year. He’d see where the team is headed and maybe approach them about being after the season is over. Do you see how well this team plays when their PG steps up? They have to go after it. Check it out and see if they can make it happen. He can provide the same jump that Kidd provided for this franchise. A stable vet to guide a young team.
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Let me guess. You must have a Harris jersey. I have a Kidd, VC and RJ jersey. I’ve finally gotten over it. You will too.
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Hmmmm
Because their signing of Childress hasn’t quite worked out thus far and him and outlaw are making about the same but Childress would be a better potential fit especially considering the outlaw experiment has been a failure… It seem more likely that we may be able to pull this off than an outlaw for harrington because I don’t believe Denver is gonna do us any favors
by boogeewon on Jan 6, 2011 4:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s an idea because the salaries are almost a match. It’s worth proposing but I don’t know if they’d bite. Denver won’t take Outlaw’s contract. They don’t want all that guaranteed money. They may take someone like Morrow back before they take him back and from what you read, they just want the Nets to eat several contracts without taking anything back. Another reason why there will probably be a third and possibly a fourth team involved.
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His point was that it’s a bad contract for a bad contract. It’s trying the addition by subtraction thing. As it’s been pointed out, Outlaw’s contract is a little more ‘cap friendly’ because it remains at $7 million per. Childress’ contract goes from $6.5 million down to $ 6 million and then goes up every year unil the last year ($7.3 million). Again, that’s the ONLY way I see this guy getting moved.
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Something to also think about
Even though Nash has always shown a flair for courtvision up until his 8th year he didn’t average over 9 assist at all and was primarily a scoring guard. The reason why I’m bringing this up is the fact that even though I still think there is more playmaking potential for Devin Harris the main draw to a potential Steve Nash trade is the fact that his salary is done in 2012(compared to Harris who’s isn’t done till 2013) and like mentioned earlier he would provide a short term upgrade for us. I guess we will have to see what happens moving forward.
by boogeewon on Jan 6, 2011 4:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
NETS get: Monta Ellis & Vladimir Radmanovic.
WARRIORS get: Troy Murphy and OJ Mayo
GRIZZLIES get: Anthony Morrow, a 1st round draft pick.
Hmmm
Just came to mind the thing that really puts monkey wrench in the whole wait for 2012 thing is the fact that the Hornets or Jazz are not going to let Paul or Williams walk for nothing in return and just like the Carmelo situation they too will be in it most likely…. Smh as sad as it is to say it we are more pressed to keep Harris and hope he becomes more of a playmaker just like Nash did when he was about 28 in his 8 year and hope that Harris and Carmelo jell…. Doing this will keep us in play for Paul and Williams by using Harris as a trade chip if need be.
by boogeewon on Jan 6, 2011 2:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That’s a good point. The other side of the coin is that maybe if their downward spiral continues, maybe you can convince them to make a deal now (or perhaps in the off-season). One reason why I think CP3 is going to push for this to get done is because if the impending CBA talks. He could be one of the first players affected by it. If he goes to management and pushes for the trade quietly rather than going to the media, I think they grant it to him and they get it done. If he does become available, I’d rather deal for him and West. Harrington is not the rebounder that Lopez needs starting next to him. He’d be a nice scorer off the bench though and he DOES want to come home to play for the Nets.
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Nets/Cavs/Warriors/Grizzlies Pre-Melo Trade...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25cau9r
Take that for starters and throw in draft picks where you see fit.
At that point we could make two separate trades to Denver:
a) Sasha Vujacic for Al Harrington
b) Melo and Chauncey for Favors, Murphy and Draft picks
Billups/Farmar/Uzoh
Monta Ellis/Stephen Graham
Carmelo/Al Harrington
Humphries/Varajao
Lopez/Petro
I've heard all the concerns and I've been working on this...................
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=38bnjjc
Denver gets the GS pick, our pick this year and the Laker pick. NO will get the Houston pick and 2 second rounders.
NO can start Harris/Morrow/Ariza/Hump/Okafor. They get 3 young players plus three picks. They get this deal done LONG before it festers like Melo and LeBron.
Denver gets Favors, Murphy’s expiring and 3 picks.
The Nets get Melo, CP3 and West in the same deal so Melo KNOWS help is on the way. They still have their pick next year. Sasha stays and becomes starting SG. Outlaw backs up West (I know if he gets hurt, we’re SCREWED). James backs up Melo.
Paul/Sasha/Melo/West/Lopez
Farmar/Graham/James/Outlaw/Petro/Uzoh/Ross on the bench
CP3 gets his extension before the new CBA goes into effect.
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no way we end up with cp3, melo, and david west
be real man
Your bench will be thin and if anyone goes down, we’re screwed. That’s the down side to something like that. If Melo knows something like that is in the works, you don’t think he’d push for that?
So what’s YOUR plan then?
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there is no way we can get david west, melo, and cp3
get melo and then see if cp3 will come here,
I think if it were THAT easy, we’d be sleeping a lot better by now because this would’ve been done!
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I just gave it to you. Your next problem would be Lopez’s contract. There’s a team option of a little over $3 million for next year and they have to make him a qualifying offer of about $4.2 million for 2012. I’m sure the ‘cap man’ Billy Marks would structure those contracts as best he can so they wouldn’t conflict. Once you have these guys here, remember you can go over the cap to resign them. I would go for them BEFORE the CBA changes. Who knows what’s going to happen after that?
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the reason the superteam was able to happen cause people took less money
i would be happy with just getting melo, not worried about other stuff
Again, aren’t you the same person that agrees with everyone else that he’s NOT coming here unless he gets help? He’s NOT coming here by himself. It’s NOT going to happen. If the help doesn’t come from Denver, it’s coming from somewhere else. I’d rather look at NO and get that part of the deal done than taking Harrington and or Billups back. If I have to take back their contracts if I can’t get something else done, then I do it. If I’m King, I’m leaving NO stone unturned. From the looks of it, I think he’s talked to just about EVERY team in the NBA to get this deal done.
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