Nets Still Waiting to "Click"
by Net Income on Jan 3, 2011 8:30 AM EST
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PrintThe Nets do not think of themselves as a bad team, but rather a team that just needs to get everything in order.
"I just can't wait until we get it to click," says Brook Lopez. "We can play great defensively -- and then have nine points in a third quarter. That's a game right there. You've got to keep working to get it all together."
Avery Johnson thinks the same way...or says he does. "It's a dream right now. Hopefully, sometime we'll get four quality quarters. We're not there yet." How do they get there? Practice, practice, practice. "Show tape, try to learn repetition. We know it's insanity to keep doing the same thing over and over," says Devin Harris.
And Sasha Vujacic, who knows something about winning, is mystified about what happened Saturday in Minneapolis. "Why? We don't know. But definitely we've shown we can play." Maybe Kevin Love can help. He says Kurt Rambis lit into the Timberwolves at halftime. "If I had $100 for every four-letter word he said, I would be a rich man," Love said of Rambis.
- Reality rough concept for sputtering Nets - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- With Carmelo Anthony back in Denver's lineup, Nets continue to pursue trade options - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Kurt Rambis' halftime rant gets results as Timberwolves rally to beat Nets - Ray Richardson - St. Paul Pioneer-Press
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Click?
The only thing that has clicked is the idea in my mind that Lopez is just biding his time until he can get the hell out of here.
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he is a RA we will not let him go
At least based on current CBA I doubt if new CBA would allow him to leave either
by SunilP on Jan 3, 2011 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
doesn't matter
i just have a gut feeling that Mr. Lopez has checked out.
Three straight losing seasons in your first three years has to have a negative impact on the psyche.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
And meanwhile Cousins drops 28
If I had a kneejerk reaction right now, I sure wouldn’t mind looking into a crystal ball to see where we’d be if we had drafted Cousins, and then traded Lopez to Denver for Carmelo…
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I don't regret the Favors pick
I regret not realizing that maybe, just maybe, publicly turning this kid into trade bait from Day 1 of his NBA life may be counterproductive. His play as of late has fallen and the look on his face from the bench is one of a kid that is about two weeks away from saying “bleep this bleep, trade me the hell out of here I don’t care”, if you get my point. He is 19 years old, even the most mature 19 year old can become like that if you don’t watch it.
Here’s the difference between NJ and SAC: NJ has not committed to developing Favors, or even committed to making him apart of any future plans because they are hard pressed to find a superstar player that is already established. Sacto on the other hand is committed to Cousins even despite his immaturity because they can clearly see that he can yield results if they can get him to grow the hell up. Just the show of commitment to a person(because we forget that these kids are humans with emotions that go beyond millions of dollars) can change their whole attitude.
The Nets continue to invite a losing atmosphere upon themselves whether they realize it or not. We’re right back where we were last year, with guys not giving a crap because the front office is screwing everything up.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1 Sac is committed to developing Cousins while NJ dangles Favors
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
by 3ptChucker on Jan 3, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NJ management
thinks they can just offer money and FA will come, they have not figure out that FA will only come …. if there is something to come to.
And the something to come to, have to start with having good young players.
Wade recruited Bosh and Lebron
Rose and Noah recruited Boozer
Chandler and Gallinari recruited Amare
Favors need to be part of the future of NJ, the fact that management are just looking at a miracle cure and seem not to even have a back up plan is pathetic
The signing of Outlaw and Petro was also pathetic, the signing of those 2 ensure TWill and Favor get less minute …. and really the Nets was not completing for the playoff this year. the choice was between 30 wins or 20 wins + developed rookies and players to lure a superstar. The management went for 30 wins
what about harris and lopez
did they recruit morrow, outlaw, petro, and farmar
Just come right out and say you feel Cousins is better than Lopez
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Knicks = Local
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Lopez does not give a damn. He's become fine with losing.
and Cousins probably wouldn’t either under these circumstances
The Nets need to start operating like a 1st class organization and stop pretending to be one, or thinking that just because there’s a few bad broads in the audience to watch their boyfriends’ play will turn things around.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Love the fire of Cousins, if it can be tamed
That’s a big if.
Lopez has superior touch. Not even close. Cousins is much more beastly around the hoop though.
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I said this before the draft and I stand by statement: I have little doubt Cousins will be better than Lopez.
True, you did say that
So I respect you for going on record. +1 for not being scared :)
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i hate to say it
but that’s what i wanted to do on draft night. draft cousins trade lopez for star.
it was part of my ‘always take the best availbale player’ rant
imagine something extremely witty here
looks like you were right
but what if Anthony did not want to come here?
then we’d be stuck with Cousins, who would have been sent to the D League or traded by now.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
traded for heavily protected picks at that
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Good point. My guess is the way Avery would deal with Cousins is to discipline him
whereas Sac’s approach is to nurture an develop him in a more positive manner.
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
and Cousins' personality seems to be more combustible than Williams'
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Nets idea of development
1)Throw under bus in public
2)Trade for worthless picks
rinse, wash, repeat
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
YUP
Every year with this team horribly run organization then blame some players or just trade them away for nothing with no direct plan in place.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Last 10 games:
14.6 ppg (.480 FG), 9.7 rpg and 2.5 apg in just 28.6 mpg.
Last 3 games:
21.7 ppg (.565 FG), 10.7 rpg and 3.3 apg.
He is also a head case, and a detriment to the locker room.
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
Apparently Michael Beasley was as well.
But look now, everyone wants him.
also thats only sac town's 7th win
despite having the rookie of the year and a bunch of solid role players unlike the nets who have 12th men starting and role players being asked to be superstars.
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know I have checked out.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 3, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
THIS......
I can’t wait for him to go….That’s why we should trade him before he has that option….He is a turnover machine and makes numerous mistakes at both ends of the court……
I'm sure he can't wait either
it goes both ways here.
This franchise is a bumbling, stumbling mess. I don’t blame any player if they want out. As bad as Lopez has been, and I am not defending his play, it doesn’t help that the Nets can’t assemble a competent roster, or have no legit plans in place instead of whoring themselves out to whatever team has a disgruntled superstar.
Sitting on your hands and waiting for Denver…meanwhile, the current pieces that you do have become jaded, uninterested, and possibly pissed off because the team doesn’t commit to them
There is no development going on here. Just a continued dedication to putting a piss poor product on the floor.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
I said this earlier… trade every single player/coach/intern/graphic designer/popcorn seller even remotely connected to last season. Everyone.
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
who else is left besides humphries, lopez, and harris,
we just replaced our weak players with more weak players
thanks for the topics to discuss NI good morning all
"Expect a loss hope for a win" with the Nets
Travis Outlaw fan club member with Damion James gettin dirty in the rear view mirror.
They don't have a leader
They don’t have a go to scorer
They don’t have a voice that command respect
They don’t have a week without someone getting injured on a team that’s not very good to begin with
How you can expect that to “click” is mystifying to me. You need a Carmelo Anthony to become the go to scorer. We need some more good veterans to become vocal leaders and not allow the team to become such losers.
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by eLonepb on Jan 3, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
They don't have a DIRECTION
That is the core problem. It seems that an intelligent rebuilding process was not apart of the plans when Prokhy brought this team
again, not tossing Avery or King under the bus, but I think mistake #1 started when we hired a coach before a GM.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
When you know your team is not good enough to make the playoffs, where do you go? You just try to get better without any clear cut direction as to where your going, it would be different if we were a playoff calibur team and our goal was the playoffs, then that would mean we would have direction, but as of right now we are a franchise in limb, sad to say, hopefully things get cleared up sooner rather than later…
It was known that this team wasn't good enough to make the post season
I think the fans, myself included, overestimated how good Lopez and Harris are, and we did not expect T-Will to come in and take 5 huge steps back maturity wise and on the floor. We had a lot of hope going into the summer and one by one we’ve been met with epic fail.
Now the latest “plan” is to sit and wait for Denver.
That is not a plan in my book. Meanwhile, what’s going on with Favors? Why has Lopez regressed so much?
And I don’t want to hear the word “development” come out of anyone’s mouth that is employed by the Nets.
You do not develop players by putting them on the trading block from the moment that they are drafted. This is why I said back in October that the Nets should have walked away from the table in October once it became clear that Masai was messing around and started focusing on developing the players and going from there. I wouldn’t care about the losses if we had some direction or commitment to developing what we have and making vertical, not lateral, moves. But nope. It takes someone who has zero respect for you to approach you with an outrageous trade demand before you wake up and realize that this may lead to nowhere.
Now what?
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I understand your point
But Harris and Lopez are our only players, they get double teamed majority of the game and when they try to kick it out to someone for the open shot they miss it, what are you gonna do?? We need a consistently higher percentage shooting team to free them up…
I'm not tossing either player under the bus here. They are not the problem.
I am tossing the front office under the bus. And I exclude King from that as well since King isn’t even being allowed to work to point this ship in the right direction, he’s being forced by the russians to sit on the phones with a jackass who has the audacity to ask for 5 1st rd picks and that the Nets absorb an ungodly amt of salary.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not singling you out, but I notice that
“the Russians” is frequently used when posters here criticize Nets’ top echelon, whereas Prokhorov is used when praising. I understand Prokhorov is “our savior” but let’s show some consistency here.
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
the plan seems to be
A. Do whatever to land a superstar
B. Neglect any other logical professional moves until plan A. is complete
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
well said
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
The Valley of De-Nile...
That is where we’re dwelling in thinking that Melo is coming here!
“Travis Outlaw is our leader” 
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
God I love RJ... I miss him, bring him back
The New York Knicks’ return to the playoff chase after a decade of irrelevance has made for feel-good fodder for much of the national NBA media.
Spurs forward Richard Jefferson, whose team embarks today for a game Tuesday at venerable Madison Square Garden, doesn’t see what all the fuss is about.
"Even though they had a bunch of great teams for a bunch of years, they haven’t won a championship since the 1970s," Jefferson, who spent the first seven seasons of his career playing across the Hudson in New Jersey, said Sunday. "This is not a Boston Celtics team or like the Lakers franchise. What year was the last time they won a championship? 1973?
"So to say basketball is back in New York, what does that even mean?"
Boosted by the offseason arrival of All-Star center Amare Stoudemire in free agency, the Knicks have opened the season 19-14, good for sixth in the Eastern Conference. They aren’t exactly threatening the 29-4 Spurs for the best record in the NBA, but for a team that hasn’t made the postseason since 2000-01, it’s a start.
Though several in the Spurs’ camp, including coach Gregg Popovich, agreed it is good for the NBA to have a winning team in New York, Jefferson deemed the topic "completely pointless."
He isn’t buying the prevailing notion of New York as a basketball mecca.
"There are too many good players and teams," Jefferson said. "You look at how great it was for Cleveland having LeBron (James) and what it did to that community and how important it was for them. You look at what is going on now in Miami or in Oklahoma City.
"It’s great for whatever city gets the benefit, but I don’t think one city is more important than another."
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
because he lived in NYC
had he been traded to the Knicks, I doubt he would’ve pouted nearly as much as when he found out he had to move to Milwaulkee.
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Knicks = Local
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The Knicks had nothing to offer that we were interested in at that point, and do you REALLY think Thorn would have EVER done a deal with a direct division rival even if they DID have something we were interested in?
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 3, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
well said RJ
it’s a shame. He was making way too much money so I don’t regret trading him but he looks damn good right now. That would have been money well spent instead of OutLOL, who is an absolute clown
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
it's scaring me
to think that maybe, just maybe, Isaac was right.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but comparing him to outlaw isn't really telling
the list of players who would were more worth the money is never ending
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
is it possible
that thorn really wanted to to turn the screw on us on the way out with the outlaw stocking stuffer?
imagine something extremely witty here
possibly
Thorn has done a lot to screw us over. Not being able to draft players worth a damn was #1. How many blown draft picks does he have under his resume, now with T-Will and CDR being added to that list?
and god forbid Terrence flourish in Houston, it will be chaos on here.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
you were dead on about Dorrel Wright, who would have been a far more effective player.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
16 pts, 6 rebs, and 3 asts
Dorrel Wright…
by Anthony Perez on Jan 3, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Dorrel Wright or Morrow?
As I understand it, the Nets were able to pry Morrow from the Warriors because they were committed to Wright. Instead of going after Wright, Avery Johnson went after Morrow (bigger name player).
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
I like Morrow
but Wright looks to be a better overall player.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
@ DollahBillz... and those who had a similar perspective coming into the year
You might have realized I haven’t posted in quite a few months since everything I predicted has just about come true with this pathetic team/organization… I actually was coaxed into predicting 28 to 32 wins for this Nets team though, so I even I, as a complete “self-hating Nets fan” (of course only to those bizarre cyber die-hard Nets fans here) gave the Nets too much credit coming in to this year—
But anyway, my point is it is now great to see how your attitude along with all the way too pumped up Nets fans this summer have 100% changed their attitude to sound exactly like I did after signing the likes of Petro, Outlaw and refusing to bring in any of the “WAY OVERPAID” free-agents during this disastorous summer… I know a bunch of you (MRDB included) were not totally out of whack predicting the playoffs and a miraculous turnaround, but I heard plenty of how we were “all new” and would play a better brand of well-executed, inspired ball and would see instant improvements even if it didnt result in W’s - well we look IDENTICAL to last year… maybe even worse/more lethargic/less-exciting if you could believe it - here is just a reminder that i was adamant about bringing in RJ and Amar’e this summer since it seems to be coming up to my delight – i also never stopped raving at what an embarrassment it was to bring in Outlaw and Petro (over and over again) after their ridiculousssss signings:
“Why the Nets Should Still Target Richard Jefferson:”
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/7/16/1573587/why-the-nets-should-still-target
(This was written July 16, after they already threw $35 million at hot-garbage Outlaw)
and
“I’m Sorry, But The Nets Should Have Signed Amare!”
Written Oct 13, way before the season got underway - I really thought anyone with a knowledge of the NBA realized he would be an absolute monster and all the making fun of the Knicks for "over-paying: him was just laughable.
by BrooklynBridge on Jan 3, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Yesterday I said at least 5 regulars on NetsDaily could make better GMs than Avery
and I got shouted down.
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
wesley matthews was also available
I believe he got a similar contract as outlaw and was an rfa
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
2010-2011 New Jersey Nets motto: Try Again. Fail Again. Fail Better.
maybe Avery can build Graham's career like Jerry Sloan did Matthews.
sarcasm meter: beep … beep … beep … beep
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
Sloan is in the Hall of Fame for a reason.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 3, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but he's in san antonio
just the polar opposite of new jersey. jefferson would have still put up stats in new jersey but he would have demanded more money since he would be the de facto leader of the nets and the main cause of success.
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
RJ always played those Knick games with an extra something
That competitiveness is sorely missed with this team especially because all everybody knows is losing
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Everything here is 100% correct.
But everything counts 2x in New York due to the PRESSURE.
What's that about?
how freaking long..
Are Everybody in the nets organization gonna make excuses? Its already been 33 games and the coach and players are still talkin like its pre-season, if this continues avery NEEDS to go, at thesame time tho we need to get rid of a couple of our softies (lopez most notably, favors,harris,outlaw,basically everybody on the roster besides sasha and hump honestly)
by cdr4prez on Jan 3, 2011 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is how I feel.
Tired of hearing them waiting for a miracle to happen. MAKE IT HAPPEN. You haven’t clicked yet? Then fricking click. Run through scenarios together as a team, make sure everyone in each rotation understands what they’re supposed to do in given situations, and MOVE when you don’t have the ball.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 3, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
Lopez is a good player so is haris n favors the nets have a good team everyone has something to contribute to the team we have great 3 point shooters good defensive players just no star if the nets just came together as a team like Lopez is saying and Johnson let’s these kids go out and play on offense maybe we can win some games it seems like the nets are totally lost when honestly they just need to use there heads and play as a team oh yehh sometimes we play soft like in the 3rd quarter witch is right after halftime who u think talks during halftime Avery Johnson he isn’t a bad coach he just needs to lightin up like Tom coughlin did wit the giants when they beat the patriots
by xxxnets5xxx on Jan 3, 2011 10:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I need the Nets to make a move this week or I’m going to just cry.
Make a trade…sign someone to a 10-day contract…ANYTHING!
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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Yeh let’s get Eddie gill that’ll work no one we can get wit a 10 day contract will do anything r yu crazy we need to face it nets r bad this year again… All we can hope is these players can get there … Together and win some games n attract free agents
Yes, I am crazy. Aren’t we all, for being Nets fans?
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
has eddie gill gotten better each year
we should retire his number
So apparently Melo told Nuggets again last week, he's not resigning there
No. 4 — ’Melo-drama in the Mile High
Carmelo Anthony’s army of leakers and whisperers put out the word that the Nuggets’ franchise player and three-time All Star wants out of Denver, looking for a combo of superstars like Miami put together to play alongside for the next few years. Of course, when asked, ‘Melo says he’s just playing and isn’t thinking about the future, which is absurd on its face, as he’s left a $65 million extension on the table for months (and just, again, told the Nuggets last week that he had no intention of re-signing in Denver, according to a source.)
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
I couldn't help but note that myself
Gives me just enough hope to set myself up for a massive dissapointment . . . .
keep the hopes down
because charlotte is in a worse market than new jersey. less popular. and they are just as cheap and if they go into rebuilding mode its like they are at the expansion draft all over again
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
We have 3 head coaches on this team lol 2 coach of the years and about 10 wins devin haris a all-star brook potential all star morrow can shoot the 3 favors can b good humphres good role player this outlaw clown was good at 1 point in his life James is good I’m tellin u if this team comes together I’m telling u we could b decent
The Nets (9-25) have had just six games in 34 in which they scored at least 20 in each quarter.
wow, that is a very sobering stat
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Yes, NBA players still care about MSG
Heading soon to New York City. Big Game in the mythical Madison Square Garden !
-Tony Parker
Even if Barclay’s is a state of the art facility, that’s one thing it won’t have. A history, a past.
Doesn't mythical essentially mean fake, made up?
Perhaps he meant “mystical”?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
Parker grew up in Europe and never went to college, Cut him some slack
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
LeBron grew up in Akron and never went to college, cut him some slack.
Oh wait, that excuse doesn’t work for LeBron.
The Token Black-Jew
I was talking about Tony Parker misuse of the work "mythical"
but I can just as easily see Lebron fumble the English language.
Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone
Parker said today
Or yesterday New York was his #1 destination if he didn’t re-sign with the Spurs.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Looks like trading Lopez might have to be done at some point
If we can get some god pieces back, just feels like its not going to work out, we can get a lot for a young 22 year old big man.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
no quick fixes this time…just remember that.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
Don't mean a quick fix but Lopez is not going to be a young Tim Duncun or Dream
His attitude is turning me off every time I see him, just feels like a divorce might be the best for the Nets and Lopez.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
There are professional NBA scouts
Who judge players so far beyond their stats.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
They get a lot of things wrong
Professional NBA scouts thought Darko and Kwame Brown were going to be great, not comparing Lopez to them obviously but lets say Portland would give us Aldrige and Batum would you do that?
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
They haven't watched him game in and out
All I’m saying is his value is relatively high why not get what we can from him he is not rebounding he looks out of it not playing defense its like having a two guard just get 19 a game no interior presence at all.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
We can last year but not right now.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
This team is to lethargic and there main players Harris and Lopez are not leaders
Lopez especially just gives off this I don’y care, loathing, out of it attitude, there is no fire or direction the coach can’t be the only one to give that. I like Lopez but I feel this team is not in as great a position as people think. We might have a card in Lopez that can help get the ball moving in the other direction, if management would have managed the situation better when Lopez was drafted I wouldn’t even be writing this but like MR. DB said Lopez along with other young players were mismanaged seemed to have corrupted him, that along with his attitude that needs fixing.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Lopez is making 2.4 million this year, less than Johan Petro
I’m just as frustrated with Lopez’s regression this year, but his value is incredibly is very high considering his salary.
Unless we were going to get an awesome big man in return who is making more and the team wants to dump his salary, it just doesn’t make sense to trade Lopez right now.
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well you're gonna be committed to an 8 figure salary by the start of next season
Unless you wanna let him test RFA, which is pretty dumb, since some team is bound to give him way more than he’s worth.
It makes PERFECT sense. First off who says we need an “awesome” big man in return? Lopez is literally one of the best centers in the league, but who cares, what has that gotten us in a league with no centers. Who is the best center in the west for example? Who even knows. Teams are going to have to win without a great piece at every position, so why not trade him to some team that thinks that he is the missing piece? He is not a star, just another piece, but we can pawn him off to a team who thinks he IS a star, and we can get lots in return.
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
Like who?
Give me some teams and players who you think would trade solid young pieces in return for Lopez who becomes a RFA very soon?
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I don’t have names. I don’t want to think very hard with the Nets any more until they make some changes and start winning. YOU think of players.
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
lol yeah going out of our way as Nets fans should stop
Until they fix this mess I through out there Aldrige and Batum or something like that
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
*Thru
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I have been 100%… utterly, and completely drained.
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
I've seen OKC fans willing to do
Lopez
Outlaw
for
Harden
J.Green
Aldrich
I’d do that.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Chill out on the bashing of Lopez
Lopez is not a star, hes not even the Nets best player. Right now Harris is our best player. Lopez is a very nice piece and more valuable because he is a true center that has a nice outside touch. Lopez’ game will develop and progress more when he has another dominant player on his team. For instance, Melo, if Melo is on the Nets, opponents wont focus on doubling Lopez (which is where Lopez causes turnovers and takes bad shots), they will be more focused on Melo and his attack to the basket. Lopez is very good but he is a #2 guy, not a #1.
Agreed
I would like to see how he does when he isn’t the focal point, because he’s proven himself incapable of handling it, or being able to be productive in those situations.
Turnovers are a result of his inability to handle a double team. Plenty of other big men are able to handle it.
Rebounds are not just Hump. Lopez just doesn’t care to go after them. He has no fire.
He’s a role player, so I agree we need to recognize him as such.
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Just imagine...
Drafted Cousins, traded Lopez to Denver for Melo. Signed Amar’e as well as our other drafts and FA guys.
Be a hell of a team right now, and still have some draft picks.
Harris / Farmar
Melo / Outlaw
Morrow / TWill / James
Amar’e / Hump
Cousins / Petro
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Then our locker room would be in a daily rumble, and he would be making choke gestures to his own team, not other teams?
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
With Amare on the team
I’m sure Cousins would be in line. Thats what we are missing in all this. Harris can say “its my bad” to the reporters to get the fodder, but do you really think he believes that it was “his bad”?
And we still wouldn't be able to defend
or succeed on the defensive glass. And why is Outlaw there?
What's that about?
That team lacks alot of defense
would be fun to watch no doubt. Switch cousins or amare with a defensive minded guy and we got something trade Harris and amare for a Real PG… Hmm the possibilities
Yeah I hear you
But I’d give anything to have a “fun to watch” team as opposed to the “cry myself to sleep at night” team we watch now.
It’s as unbearable as last year without question.
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But I’d give anything to have a "fun to watch" team as opposed to the "cry myself to sleep at night" team we watch now.
If only.
"No, we have to start getting wins. At the end of the day there isn't any asterisk that said they played hard in this game, it was close here. It's an L or a W. We put ourselves in a position to win and it's time to win those games." - Kris Humphries
Even some guy that comes of the bench and dunks or something lol anything
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
you want james white or gerald green then
white was on the spurs 07 squad and played in houston the year after but has been in russia since and green i believe went from the c’s to the wolves to the mavs and back on the c’s inactive list. If the nets arent going to win winnable games then I’d rather have some high-flyers or a lineup strictly full of 3-pt shooters out there.
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
courtesy of yahoo sports
Carmelo Anthony(notes) can pull up for quite a lot, but because the Denver Nuggets are asking to be turned into the 1992-1998 Dallas Cowboys, don’t expect the Mavs to pull a deal for the disgruntled Nuggets forward. And though an injury exception could help, if Butler indeed does miss the rest of the season, there isn’t much to trade for even at $5.3 million.
That made me laugh because dallas fans know how much the cowboys ripped off the vikings for herschel walker. Walker, a stud a UGA, made the pro bowl his first two years in dallas but the team was on serious decline and was traded to Minnesota for 5 players and six picks(two of them being emmitt smith and darren woodson) while walker floundered in minnesota for two years before heading to philadelphia as the cowboys racked up 3 titles in a four year span. Now this is what i’m scared of the nets doing if they trade for melo.
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We so need Melo
VC was man enough to get Harris, Lopez (a rookie no less), and a less talented team to 34 wins, even though he was past his prime and not the player Melo is now.
Harris / Dooling
Carter / CDR
Simmons / Hayes
Yi / Najera
Lopez / Boone
= 34 wins
Harris / Farmar / Uzoh
Morrow / Vujacic / Graham
Melo / JR Smith / D.James
Humphries / Harrington
Lopez / Petro
= ???
I’d say closer to 45 wins if they had a full season.
Add to that team draft picks, an MLE and we’re back in business.
The key is.. don’t overspend.
Denver is getting antsy and I doubt there are any decent offers out there, or none better than:
Favors
Murphy
Outlaw
Q.Ross
HOU #1
LAL #1
MIA #2
$3m Cash
$5.5m Trade Exception
for
Melo
Harrington
JR Smith
And I don’t care if people don’t like JR. He’s talented, a proven scorer and the team needs to take risks. If he doesn’t work out, buy him out or let him expire. But he saves Denver more money and is worth the risk IMO.
I also realize Denver may balk at Outlaw, but.. Harrington has basically the same deal, is 4 years older and they would a glut of PFs with no SFs to speak of. If Denver wants to deal with us (and they do), this is our one request. If needed add in the GS #1 or our 2012 #1….maybe.
If a one to one team deal was possible
That would’ve been done. Apparently Denver doesn’t want Murphy either.
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I don't see how it's possible that they only receive Favors' salary
The only way they get under the cap is if they get rid of Billups or KMart as well, but how do you get rid of them and still have salaries match with everyone else? Even Cleveland’s trade exception is a mere 14 million dollars, and they’re not under the cap
Favors is younger (19). In three years he could be a stud whereas Fields and Chandler are 22 and 23 respectively.
by NYCfanman on Jan 3, 2011 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention
Chandler will need a new contract. Fields, while a good role player, has ZERO potential to be a star.
Favors at least has that potential.
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That's only because Denver is not being realistic
They can work out a 1-1 deal with NJ, they just don’t want to because they want:
-5 1st round picks
-All their bad contracts gone
-To be out of the luxury tax
-For us to promise to lose every game the rest of the year to maximize their lotto pick
-A day in Proky’s shoes
Not gonna happen.
And you know what their biggest mistake is?
The longer they wait, the more NJ loses and the less likely Melo would agree to extend here.
Why would Melo want to come to a team:
-out of the playoff race
-depleted of talents and assets
-saddled by bad contracts
-not his 1st choice to begin with
If Melo is lukewarm in the idea of NJ now, just wait a couple weeks when we are 10-40.
Good luck Denver. The longer they wait, the less likely they will be able to trade with NJ. Either NJ starts pulling back on their offer, or Melo won’t extend here anyway so it won’t matter.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think the one to one deal is worse for the Nets
I am pretty confident Melo hasn’t said no because we’ve been told to make this team better via trades in order for Melo to accept.
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We could still do that on our own
If they did the above trade NJ still has:
Lopez
Harris
Morrow
D.James
Humphries
GS #1
2011 #1
2012 #1
with which to improve.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
But then Melo says no
“We promise we’ll improve” isn’t the same as “Look, we have a deal that sends us you, Harrington, [good player], [great role player], and XYZ”. We’ll still have [ABC] plus Prokhorov is willing to pay whatever it takes to make you the star.
That’s how they have to convince him.
If he can see a deal that Denver likes, he likes, and the Nets like… then that’s how we get Melo.
My opinion at least.
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True, though...
That’s not to say we can’t do that deal first or simultaneously and still separately.
Denver’s getting a king’s ransom either way.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
If we could do that
Then I think we’d probably do that anyway, provided we had the assets left over.
Based on the report we read last week, the Nets have a scenario in place that significantly improves the team. That’s probably what we’re waiting for, but Denver isn’t playing along, or continues to “overplay their hand”.
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JR Smith is not a risk
You KNOW he’s trouble. He’s not even that great of a scorer, 40% FG? For every game where his offense helped you, there were two that he shot you out of
And yet he's consistently played on winning teams his career.
And what exactly could he do to the team?
Avery is here. Melo and Al would be here.
Worse comes to worse he’s told to stay away until the end of the season, or he’s bought out. It’s not like we add extra assets to get him, it’s so Denver can save more money. Morrow, Vujacic, James and Graham would simply split the time next to Melo.
Best case scenario he’s the 18ppg player at SG that takes us to the next level along side Melo.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
That's the exact problem, Avery is here
If he clashes with George Karl and Byron Scott, what more with Avery?
And that FG% isn’t like some anomaly, he’s shot 41% or lower in 4 out of 7 seasons. If he ever reaches 18 ppg, it’s because he takes more shots than any other 18 ppg scorer in the league
He's a gunner, simple as that. If his shot is falling, he's a good player. But if not... things like this happen
Karl seemed preturbed by Smith’s 3-pointer with 25.7 seconds left in Game 4 on Monday night with Denver trailing 93-89.
“I have no idea what planet that came from,” Karl told The Associated Press. Karl said he had drawn up a play to get the ball to Iverson or Anthony.
“And then, of course the one with eight seconds to go, from 50 feet,” Karl said. “I just love the dignity of the game being insulted right in front of me.”
I'm not claiming he's perfect or our saviour
I’m saying:
-his inclusion in the deal save Denver money
-we don’t give up extra assets for him
-he’s a proven scorer and talent
-he’s an expirer anyway
-he can be bought out or sat if need be
-we would still have plenty of other options on the wing
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
JR is a headcase
His attitude got him out of new orleans and chicago, when they acquired him, didnt even welcome him to the team because they were already working on a trade to get him out(eventually to denver). I can’t see JR being positive at all with avery, just imagine all the broken plays that would occur.
Lets just 68 and say I owe you one
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Half his shots are 3 pointers
Which he shoots at 38%.
That is a major reason why his FG% is that low.
Take his 3’s out and he shoots 48% for his career from 2 point range.
Not too shabby.
And the last 2 season he was at 15 ppg, off the bench at 28mpg.
18ppg is doable.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
avery would gain his respect
imagine Melo getting doubled and feeding to JR and Morrow
denver wants high first round picks not our garbage first round picks
denver would never take outlaw
Watching the Portland/ Houston game the other night I saw something
Jaydee you were right Andre Miller is too old.
"Expect a loss hope for a win" with the Nets
Travis Outlaw fan club member with Damion James gettin dirty in the rear view mirror.
guess there's no fixing this team as is.
"Expect a loss hope for a win" with the Nets
Travis Outlaw fan club member with Damion James gettin dirty in the rear view mirror.
I don't think they're getting Melo
"Expect a loss hope for a win" with the Nets
Travis Outlaw fan club member with Damion James gettin dirty in the rear view mirror.
Fresh out of ideas for now Billy King's turn!
"Expect a loss hope for a win" with the Nets
Travis Outlaw fan club member with Damion James gettin dirty in the rear view mirror.
from denver stiffs, denver fan sounds like they dont want favors
Ride Season Out or Knicks I believe our best option is to ride the season out with Melo. You can see Dallas is vulnerable without Butler and the Spurs are getting older. Fully healthy, this may be Denver’s best team in the Kroenke Era, so why blow it up for a Shelden Williams-esque player in Favors? If Melo has been promised a trade by the deadline (which I suspect is the case) then getting Chandler, Fields and 1 st Rounder from the Knicks is the way to go.
Chandler and fields...
Both have outplayed Favors by a lot and look like established role players, but their contracts are undesirable for a rebuilding team.
by NYCfanman on Jan 3, 2011 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As they should have
Considering they are older, have more experience, and Favors is nothing (and always has been nothing) but rawness.
Lest we not forget, Favors was ALWAYS considered someone who is 2 – 3 years away from being a real player.
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We have 23 games until the trade deadline
Let’s say we go 5-18 (which is generous)
We would be 14-43. Way out of the playoffs. Even if we bring an OJ Mayo in, do you guys think Melo would sign off on missing the playoffs and trying again next year?
Btw we play Melo on Jan 31, if we lose by 10+ our chances are done with him. If we win we have a chance.
by NYCfanman on Jan 3, 2011 3:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wish I could be a fly on the wall
of the locker room during halftime. Does Avery rant the way Rambis does? He should be going nuts, so should all the coaches. Hell, even Tim Walsh. It’s as if they’re drugged or something. No energy, no killer instinct. Amazed Avery lets it go on game after game – it’s a serious problem IMO.
Avery
“I’m proud of our guys” “You know thats second quarter we defended well” “Its a work in progress”
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
People must really feel a certain way about us lol
Rambis was not going to let his team loose to the “NETS”
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Nets are the worst team in the league again. Losing to us is a slap in the face. Plus we have no real talent to speak of.
Harris has been exposed and Lopez also. They both are very limited. Lopez doesnt love basketball. He is just a tall kid that can play it. He doesnt have that drive to be the best player at his position every nite. He is a coaster.
Favors is the same type of kid. Big and athletic but doesnt love the game or strive to be the best every nite. Alot of Taller players are like that. They can coast thru highschool and college because of their height and make it to the league only to be exposed by the players who have that extra edge.
Guards cant coast they will be exposed at an early age.
Lopez doesnt love basketball. He is just a tall kid that can play it. He doesnt have that drive to be the best player at his position every nite. He is a coaster.
Favors is the same type of kid. Big and athletic but doesnt love the game or strive to be the best every nite.
Frighteningly, there seems something to this. If you combine guys that don’t breathe basketball with some other guys with low BBIQ (Morrow, Outlaw, maybe even Harris a bit), there may be some serious ceiling on this team.
Simple enough
Hire Tony Robbins!
or Matt Foley…
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 3, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I STOPPED AT THE RJ THING … MAN GIVE UP VC OK .. KIDD ,THAT WAS REALLY BAD
, BUT RJ MAN THAT HURT .. WHAT A NET !!
by newjerseydrive31 on Jan 3, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions
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