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Is It Too Early to Think Draft? Maybe, But What Else is New?

Draft picks, draft picks, draft picks.  The Nuggets reportedly want the Nets to use five first rounders in a 'Melo deal. That would be all but one of the first rounders the Nets have in the next three years.

Even with those reports, the Nets have dispatched scouts throughout the known world looking for talent.  Thursday night, a Nets scout was on hand in Buffalo to watch BYU's Jimmer Fredette, a likely second rounder, go for 34.

Of course, it's a long time between now and when David Stern calls the roll of teams on June 23 in Newark.  But assuming the Nets keep the picks, (at least some of them anyway), can fans expect a better outcome than in recent years when every first round pick between Nenad Krstic in 2002 and Brook Lopez in 2008 proved to be a bust?  Not one first rounder taken by the Nets in that period is still in the league and only second-round pick is still playing...but not with the Nets. And we're not mentioning Terrence Williams, taken in 2009.

We take a look at what can be expected if the Nuggets don't get their way..what's changed with scouting, with the personnel who will make the selections...and prospects for buying a pick or two.

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Scouting

Two former NBA general managers, Bob Ferry (Bullets) and Garry St. Jean (Warriors), have been hired as scouts along with a Billy King favorite from the 76ers, Danko Cvjeticanin. The Croatian Olympian,a long time teammate of Drazen Petrovic, is the Nets new international scout, filling a role that hasn't been quite full-time since the departure of Rob Meurs in 2008.  Maury Hanks, who pushed for Brook Lopez's selection in 2008, was recently promoted to director of scouting and scouts Khalid Green and Jordan Cohn were retained. Green handles East Coast scouting, Cohn the West.  The Nets director of player personnel Gregg Polinsky remains in place with overall responsibility for scouting. He scouts college games as well. Bobby Marks' assistant, Matt Ricciardi, acts as an administrator for the scouting staff. That's a first.

The Nets will also have expanded video capabilities in sorting out picks, using the resources of their East Rutherford tenant, Hoop1 Video.  Hoop1 has a vast archive of college and international videos.  Patrick Spurgin, the Nets' video coordinator, was formerly with San Antonio, where he also served as an assistant coach for the Spurs' summer league teams.  Scott McByrne, who was the Nets' video intern last season, has been hired as the Video Assistant. It's the first time the job has been full time.  The Nets also have acquired state-of-the-art editing equipment.

Selection

Every GM makes mistakes in the draft, of course, even Joe Dumars, but a review of King's time in Philly indicates he did well when picking in the lottery, found solid NBA players at the end of the first round and discovered value deep into the second. He also signed at least one undrafted player who became a top-notch defender.

As one of his former players in Philly, Eric Snow, told Al Iannazzone back in July, "He’s got a great feel for the unseen."

So, let's review…an incomplete but telling list:

—1999: drafted Todd MacCulloch with the 47th pick.

—2000: drafted Speedy Claxton with the 20th pick.

—2001: drafted Samuel Dalembert with the 26th pick.

—2002: traded Claxton to the Spurs for Mark Bryant and the draft rights to John Salmons, taken with the 26th pick.

—2003: bought the Nets' second round pick, the 51st pick, and used it on Kyle Korver. Cost: $140,000; Traded the draft rights to guard Paccelis Morlende to the Sonics in return for rights to Willie Green, taken at #41.

—2004: drafted Andre Iguodala with the 9th pick.

—2005: drafted Louis Williams with the 45th pick.

—2006: drafted guard Thabo Sefolosha (13th pick), then traded his draft rights to the Chicago Bulls for the draft rights to guard Rodney Carney.

—2007: drafted Thaddeus Young (12th overall pick), Daequan Cook (21st overall pick), then traded the draft rights to Cook, a 2009 second-round pick and cash to the Miami Heat for the draft rights to Jason Smith, taken with the 20th pick.

Beyond the draft, King gave Raja Bell his first opportunity. He first signed the undrafted 24-year-old to a 10-day contract, then a multi-year deal at the end of the 10-day, just as the 76ers started their 2001 run to the NBA Finals.

A GM who can find any value after #40 (MacColluch, Green, Korver and Williams...Green and Korver in the same draft); get solid NBA talents in the late first round (Claxton, Dalembert and Salmons); use lottery picks to get players like Iguodala and Young, and find an undrafted gem in Bell deserves respect.

To suggest that Iguodala and Young were no-brainers ignores what other teams around King's pick wound up with.  Iguodala was taken between Rafael Araujo and Luke Jackson; Young was taken between Acie Law and Julian Wright. Same with his second round gem, Louis Williams.  Williams was taken after Roko-Leni Uric, Chris Taft, Mile Ilic (by the Nets) and Martynas Andriuskevicius. Of all those players only Julian Wright is currently under contract in the NBA, but just barely.

He may have made some mistakes in the draft and certainly in other areas--like doling out mega contracts to mediocre players, but in the critical area of getting value for lower picks and not blowing lottery picks, few have a better record...and that includes the guy who hired him and the guy who replaced him, Rod Thorn and Ed Stefanski.

Buying a Pick

Okay, suppose the Nets do trade some or all of their picks.  Does that mean no picks in the first round?  Not necessarily.  Teams with rich owners can buy picks, maybe not lottery picks, but mid first round picks and certainly second rounders.

Straight cash deals often happen on Draft Night…and a lot of time they’re a Euro-stash deal: cash for a pick that's used to take an international player. The player is expected to stay overseas until the NBA team is ready for him and/or he’s ready for the NBA. It’s a money-saving deal long term, but costly upfront. First round picks can cost up to $3 million, the maximum allowed in any NBA transaction.

Over the last few years, cash deals have become more common. Many cash-starved teams are looking to pick up spare cash by selling their picks.

The Blazers, owned by billionaire Paul Allen, have bought first round picks on five occasions in the past eight drafts, once from the Nets. In at least four of those deals, the price tag was that $3 million max.

--On Draft Night 2004, the Blazers sent $3 million and the expiring contract of Eddie Gill to the Nets and got a Nets’ first round pick (#23 – Viktor Khryapa of Russia). The Nets then cut Gill.

–On Draft Night 2006, the Blazers sent $3 million to the Suns and got a Suns’ first round pick (#27 – Sergio Rodriguez of Spain)

–On Draft Night, 2007, the Blazers sent $3 million to the Suns and got a Suns’ first round pick. (#24 – Rudy Fernandez of Spain).

--On Draft Night 2007, the Blazers sent an undetermined amount of cash and the rights to second round pick, Derrick Byars to the 76ers and got a 76ers first round pick (#30 pick Petteri Koponen of Finland). Byars was later cut by the 76ers.

–On Draft Night, 2008, the Blazers sent $3 million in cash to the Hornets and got their first round pick (#27 – Darrell Arthur of Kansas). Arthur was immediately sent to the Rockets, with a smaller amount of cash, in return for draft rights to Nicolas Batum of France, taken at #25.

So at least $12 million--and probably closer to $15 million--of Allen's cash hoard was used to pick up Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, Sergio Rodriguez (later traded) and a good European point guard, Petteri Koponen. He's still stashed overseas. Khryapa was later used as filler in the Tyrus Thomas - LaMarcus Aldridge trade. (He then left the NBA and ironically went back to CSKA Moscow, Prokhorov’s team).

Allen isn’t the only billionaire owner who feels this way about the value of cash on Draft Night.  Here’s what Mark Cuban wrote back in 2008 defending his decision to trade first round picks in 2008 and 2010 to the Nets in the Jason Kidd trade: "There are almost always teams willing to sell a pick in the 20s for 3mm dollars." Translation: I got the money. Don't worry. In fact, Cuban spent a reported $3 million to buy the Grizzlies' first round pick, at #25, in 2010. The Mavs used the pick to take Dominique Jones of South Florida.

Chuck Dolan shelled out more than a million dollars to the Lakers on Draft Night 2009 to sweeten the deal with the Lakers that brought the Knicks Toney Douglas. In 2010, New York bought the rights to Jerome Jordan, a second round pick, from the Bucks.

Beyond a straight purchase, cash can have another benefit on Draft Night. The Nets have two first round picks in 2011 and three in 2012. If they wanted to move up in the lottery on either of those nights, and a cash-starved team has a pick they covet, the Nets could offer not just their picks, but also a cash sweetener to the deal. 

In the past, the Nets have discussed buying picks, but none of them turned into anything.  In 2005, they discussed buying a pick early in the second round when Monta Ellis unexpectedly dropped.  They couldn't get a deal done and Ellis went to the Warriors at #40.  They claimed they were willing to move in 2008 to take Chris Douglas-Roberts in the late first round but decided to wait til the second round.  Later in the second round, they thought about buying a pick to take Jaycee Carroll and similarly in 2010, they thought about buying a late pick in the second to grab Brian Zoubek or Ben Uzoh.

Bottom Line

The Nets seem better prepared for the 2011 draft, no matter how many picks they have.

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i believe we will retain some

Our recent play has left us in a poor shape to accquire melo it would be a miracle if king can pull it. We could pull something like aldrige + roy from portland and jason richardson from orlando. For a lot less. Right now and then after some good wins check for melo at the deadline. If that deal doesn’t happen then we will retain some picks.

But we really need to shake things up

by SunilP on Jan 3, 2011 8:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

note above mentioned names were all discussed

At some point so they are out there for a price. The price for these definitely doesn’t invovle 5 picks

by SunilP on Jan 3, 2011 8:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

5 1st rd picks for any player is utterly stupid

that said, I dunno if I want to take a chance on Roy.

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

did i mention roy ?

I thought I said miller + aldridge. Agree roy is now risky

by SunilP on Jan 3, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

duh i did say roy

Sry meant miller instead. That is something we should be able to do while retaining flexibility. We are being humiliated as an organization

by SunilP on Jan 3, 2011 8:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It isn't too early

this team is finished. A blind man could see that the losing has finally gotten to everyone and they’ve let go of the rope. Hell, Lopez let go of the rope back in November. Losing has definitely gotten to Lopez because the dude doesn’t even care after losses. He’s just like whatever. That isn’t good.

But what direction is this team headed in? Are they even interested in drafting and developing players? They seem more content with being humiliated in public by the Denver Nuggets, getting on their knees and begging Carmelo to come here instead of looking at other avenues or..GASP…possibly building through the draft?

Anyone who is watching the Nets right now can’t be convinced that this season is about developing talent, but where do the Nets go from here if they cannot get Carmelo? What is Plan B?

Their plan B in the summer, after they sat on their hands waiting for Lebron James like a pack of fools, was to overpay Travis Outlaw. I do not have confidence that these people have a plan B that is suitable enough to take this team in the right direction.

The Nets are visably desperate, and they are pressed for time. IMO, that’s not good. To recover from what the Nets had to go through last season was going to take time, patience, and careful planning. What I see, instead of a cool and confident franchise that reflects the demeanor of its owner, is an organization that is running around like a chicken with its head cut off. Looking at his track record, I think if given time Billy King could build a solid roster with talent through the draft and FA, but with 2012 looming and with King being paraded around in public as a lap dog for Johnson and Prokhorov, he won’t be able too.

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

With the new scouts and Billy King's track record

I’d like to see him bring in talent through the draft, of course I want a trade too.

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see a mixture of both

and a well thought out plan. King will not be allowed to work because in less than two years he has to have an already established star here. That is not an easy task, especially when your franchise has made no secret about their desperation and what lengths that they are willing to go through to get one.

Brooklyn is a blessing for the Nets as they get a new lease on life, but the deadline that they’ve imposed on themselves may prove to be counterproductive. we’ll see.

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He sounds like a good talent evaluator too bad they have him wishing on a star

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

unless we get a leader in draft

Kids will be affected by losing. Trade is needed to change culture we need a little bit of both

by SunilP on Jan 3, 2011 8:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

agreed

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

you're right

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

We have a star in Favors

19 year old kid who is a nice guy. You’ve seen his talent! he just needs to be coached up. Tell him that he has the best skills and no one can handle him, he doesnt have to respect the other player(not disrespect). This is about him being a super force but is afraid to use it. Show me a 19 year old that you can’t push over, being a vet at a job. Unless its a 19yr old that does’nt listen to anyone.

by Zartan on Jan 3, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

he's a good bench player for now I'd like too add to that depth in the draft

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

its not about talent

Its talent and attitude. We would have been a different team if we had wall because his mindset is to carry the team.

by SunilP on Jan 3, 2011 8:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Eh Favors was the right pick

Like muwu said Wall makes a lot of turnovers.

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

As do many young PGs in the league

by Scooby803 on Jan 3, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He turns it over more than Devin Harris

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t really consider Harris a young PG

by Scooby803 on Jan 4, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. have almost identical Assist/Turnover ratios to John Wall. It’s not as if he plays like Steve Francis or Stephon Marbury. He’s really trying to be the facilitator but his team is terrible. And if we’re gonna talk about Favors’ youth, the same has to go for Wall. He’s only 20.

The injuries scare me more than any turnover numbers. On the court Wall gotta be above anyone else taken in that draft.

by shane gayle on Jan 3, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

He has talent

He also has flaws that need a lot of work. He’s still got a long learning curve before he comes anywhere near a star

by muwu on Jan 3, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

The Nets have a star in LOPEZ

Favors has yet to prove anything except that he has potential.

by Net Income on Jan 3, 2011 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

and Lopez is proving he cannot handle being a star

Outlaw: outplay no one, outwit no one, outlast everyone

by 3ptChucker on Jan 3, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

How?

He’s not one yet, so he hasn’t had to handle it.

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by eLonepb on Jan 3, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

and he's only had one season playing alongside a legit star talent

in Vince Carter.

It is amazing how things have fallen apart since that trade.

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I certainly don't consider Lopez at this time remotely near a star

Lopez can’t even handle the leadership responsibilities of being a team captain.

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by 3ptChucker on Jan 3, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Lopez is not a star. He is a solid player; a third banana.

He is too limited athletically to be a star. If he was a star, our team would not be as a bad as it is. I am not advocating necessarily trading Lopez because he is a serviceable 7’ center with some skills but let’s not make him to be more than what he is. And he is not a star. He does not have the ability to be dominant but he can be effective playing off a star like Melo or as he did with Carter.
Favors, in my opinion is very, very raw and has a long way to go before he becomes an effective player. The Nets are not going to accelerate the rebuild waiting for Favors to develop as he is a long term project.

by StevieG. on Jan 3, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

he can be effective playing off a star like Melo or as he did with Carter.

exactly

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

We can ask Shareef Abdur-Rahim if 20-10 on bad teams makes one a “star.” Hell, Lopez isn’t even getting those numbers. I’m sure there are tons of guys in this league who could average 19 and 6 on a 12 to 20-win team.

by shane gayle on Jan 3, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

lopez is not a star

he reminds me of bill cartwright. all we need is 2 hall of famers to play with him and he’ll be OK

by drmagoo on Jan 3, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought he is more like Brad Daugherty of the Cavs but

a comparsion to Cartwright might be a better comparison. Both are slow; not great rebounders; 7’; and solid offensively. Good job. I could live with Cartwright on my team. Bulls certainly won 3 championships with him.

by StevieG. on Jan 4, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Brook is not a star.

by Andres B on Jan 3, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s a young “stud” perhaps in that he’s only 22 and averaging 19 pts, but he’s not efficient, can’t rebound, and does not impact the defense on anything notable.

He’s got plenty of room to grow, but I can’t ever see him being a “beast”

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by eLonepb on Jan 3, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody on this roster is a star or future stud

So if a big man prospect is available in the draft take him.

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

What does that have to do with anything I was discussing? Comments like this from you are truly, truly sad.

Brook Lopez is not a star, not even close.

by Andres B on Jan 4, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Give King a chance to draft some players. Getting melo with what they want, Leaves us dry.
Some ppl would trade the whole Spurs team for Michael Jordan, on a team with bums and no cap space.
Please trade Murphy & one of the picks we recieved, for Iggy. He would help , along with who ever we draft and/or bring in.

by Zartan on Jan 3, 2011 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Nets need to start looking at the basketball I.Qs

 Rather than looking at how athletic a guy is. The Lakers have the smartest team in the laegue , and continue to draft smart players.

Wish Kyrie Irving was coming out :,(

by Zartan on Jan 3, 2011 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

Look at King's track record in the draft

the man has an eye for talent. Someone else posted a list of players that he drafted while he was in Philly and that is an impressive list. He knows what he’s doing, whether he will be allowed to do his job is another story.

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt that he would stay in

Even with the injury, he’d still get taken in the top 3 for sure, if not number 1. No sense risking a guaranteed top 3 pick going away because of a career threatening injury. Willie Warren would have been a top 10 pick if he had declared a year earlier, instead he’s a second round pick not getting any playing time

by muwu on Jan 3, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Jared Sullinger, this is one guy I like
The most productive freshman in the NCAA statistically, Jared Sullinger hasn’t had any issues making the transition from high school standout to college star.

Averaging 24.4 points per-40 minutes pace-adjusted, shooting 62% from 2-point range, getting to the free throw at an outstanding rate, and coming off a 40-point outing last week, Sullinger has been everything he was billed as coming into college and then some thus far.

We’ve been writing about Sullinger for the better part of three years now, and much of what we said about him back then continues to ring true today.

The biggest change we’ve seen from Sullinger over the years revolves around his body, as he’s slimmed down considerably from when we first saw him. He still hasn’t reached his maximum physical potential, but the strides he’s made are very encouraging and show that he’s willing to put the time in and make the sacrifices needed.

While Sullinger continued to show more and more perimeter skills every time we saw him in high school, he’s been primarily an inside threat for Ohio State this season. This makes sense from both an individual and team standpoint, as he’s flashing a highly coveted skill from an NBA perspective—a polished back to the basket game—and has proven to be downright unstoppable for college defenders. This is a big reason why his team hasn’t missed a beat from last season despite the loss of last year’s 2nd overall pick, Evan Turner.

40% of Sullinger’s offense comes in post-up situations according to Synergy Sports Technology, and he ranks amongst the most efficient back to the basket players in the NCAA, scoring on over 50% of his field goal attempts when creating his own shot inside and getting fouled on nearly a quarter of his possessions.

The biggest key to Sullinger’s dominance has been the opposition’s inability to keep him outside of the paint. While he’s lost a good deal of weight, he’s still retained all of the strength in his lower body that makes him so difficult to handle one on one. With his terrific base and low center of gravity, Sullinger is constantly working to establish better post-position down low. Tough and extremely aggressive, he’s not afraid to simply put his ass into a defender and go to work until he gets to where he wants to on the floor.

Once there, he has incredibly soft hands to catch pretty much anything thrown his way and an unbelievable awareness for where he is on the court relative to his teammates and opponents. Patient and confident, he has extremely polished footwork and excellent body control, showing a wide array of spins and counter-moves that help him create even higher percentage shots. With his feathery touch and ability to shoot with either hand, he doesn’t miss very often despite the fact that he’s rarely getting his shot off over the top of the defense. When the double-team inevitably comes, he’s extremely quick to recognize rotations and does a very good job of finding open teammates spotting up on the wing.

With his excellent motor and insatiable hunger to score, Sullinger doesn’t relent for even a minute when he’s on the court, putting a tremendous amount of pressure on the opposition to alter their game-plan to stop him, fouling out entire frontcourts, and getting his team into the bonus early and often.

Sullinger’s hands are never more impressive than when watching him operate on the offensive glass. With his wide frame, solid length (7-1 ½ wingspan), excellent fundamentals boxing out and terrific timing anticipating where loose balls will end up, Sullinger already has a major advantage over opponents. The fact that he has magnets for hands make him a Kevin Love-like force of a rebounder at the college level, though, ranking him #1 by a wide margin amongst freshmen in this category, and 7th overall on a per-minute basis. Even though he gets his shot blocked a decent amount, he’s got such great instincts that he’s often able to follow up and get himself a good look after quickly snagging the loose ball.

Sullinger is very effective diving to the rim and finishing for many of the same exact reasons, giving him great potential as an off the ball threat as well. While we rarely see Ohio State run much pick and roll action due to their lack of personnel (their guards aren’t great shot-creators), Sullinger could be very effective in this area, as he not only has great hands, but is also a fairly quick leaper if able to catch the ball in the stride. From stand-still situations Sullinger is very much a below the rim guy, but we’ve seen him be extremely effective running the floor in transition and finishing drive and dish plays this year, giving us reason to believe that he could be an excellent weapon in the NBA half-court alongside a dynamic point guard.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jared-Sullinger-5029/

by muwu on Jan 3, 2011 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

I think Elton Brand is a good comparison here.

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by TWilliAM on Jan 3, 2011 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Seems interesting

However, I don’t see this pick coming to us if Melo is here obviously. Not only that but Favors should be gone by then. If there is no deal do you think that there would be 2 straight PF taking in the draft? Unless they move Lopez out of here where do you put Favors? He may be good as a bruiser but that what Favors should be. Sullinger is better offensively but Favors is better defensively. It could be even on the rebounding front. I may give a slight edge to Sullinger seeing that he can get in great position. All in all I think that we need to hope for a SF. But not a bad idea.

by Chuck D. on Jan 3, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Sullinger is some allstar type guy that you can't have as a sixth man

Favors could be a well that type of guy, so I don’t see a problem with having both of them around. Sullinger is still undersized after all. Even if they both turn out good, you can just stick to a strong three man rotation up front. I think Sullinger would be able to complement both our big men if we keep them. Lopez with his rebounding, and Favors with his scoring. He’s like if you combined the two of the together, but shorter and with less defensive ability

by muwu on Jan 3, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone with that high of a draft pic should be ppl who are star type players

In my opinion, if we lose Hump then fine, draft him and you have a young 4 and 5 position players. Yes he did compliment but really I rather go for T. Jones or Barnes… P. Jones is still scary even though he is also a raw… but not like Favors.

by Chuck D. on Jan 3, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I like him too

but how he measures out will be key, Brand was short but had a huge wingspan. Sullinger already had trouble with some bigger opponents.

by gsloots on Jan 3, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Well 6'7" DeJuan Blair could put up 17 and 15 against the Lakers

and 6’8" Paul Millsap is averaging 18 and 8, was averaging 11 rebounds a game early in the season.

I don’t think height is that big of an issue if you have the bulk and the strength and know how to use it, as well as a nose for the ball as all these guys do. Rebounding translates well from college to the pros.

by muwu on Jan 3, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Blair’s “scare” was his knees. He would easily have been top 10 if he didn’t have knee history.

by ________key on Jan 3, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

We know who he is

Being a Net fan, i’m sure most of us have been at the draft xpress a few times already.

by Zartan on Jan 3, 2011 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

I haven't bothered. There isn't much point or motivation for me.

Last year, we pretty much knew the Nets would keep the pick. This year, i’ll be shocked if they do.

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by TWilliAM on Jan 3, 2011 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

And I can't see them not getting Melo

therefore…

If the trade deadline passes and the Nets still have the pick, i’ll still have time to do my research.

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by TWilliAM on Jan 3, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

we'll still have the pick

Melo is not going to want to come to this mess.

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

reading this- we need to let king use these 5 picks

if he is a great drafter.. why trade high picks that King can get the most out of? We are horrible. the only way out is with elite talent. While melo fits that bill, Melo + 3 scrubs= not good

by orangeeater on Jan 3, 2011 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

If we don't get Melo, then we might question whether we really want to make any trades

Why not just continue to suck and build through the draft?

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by eLonepb on Jan 3, 2011 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

That pretty much should be the gameplan if we don't get Melo

Unless we can get a piece for cheap, who’s young and can be part of the future

by muwu on Jan 3, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

gotta use Murphy's contract

there will be other players available.

by Net Income on Jan 3, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Guys like Varejao

5 year deals on teams that now have to rebuild…

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Jan 3, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

ah

you have a plan.

The Nets on the other hand, have to have a marquee name by 2012 and they don’t give a damn about building or developing players.

When or if the Melo trade falls through and the Nets are standing there looking like Eli Manning on the sidelines after he throws an INT, all hell will break loose.

What now, brown cow?

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone still miss Thorn?
Can fans expect a better outcome than in recent years when every first round pick between Nenad Krstic in 2002 and Brook Lopez in 2008 proved to be a bust? Not one first rounder taken by the Nets in that period is still in the league and only second-round pick is still playing…but not with the Nets.

by Anthony Perez on Jan 3, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

We've already thrown Thorn under the bus for setting the Nets back for years

with his god awful drafting.

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by MrDollarBills on Jan 3, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Kiki did a great job in the draft for us.

by Andres B on Jan 3, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

we miss thorn's slick trades

but other than that he was useless. drafted so many unproven euros or college sidekicks with little upside. if they keep the picks and king’s drafting prowess comes to light the nets may be a playoff lock via drafting in 4-5 years.

Lets just 68 and say I owe you one

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting Melo would be great

but I would not give up that many draft picks especially this years. Favors, Murphy, and Golden State or our number 1 pick next year would be enough. If not, good luck Denver. But my thinking is similar to Mr.DollarBills, Anthony would not come to a bad team as the Nets. Might as well resign with the Nuggets or wait for free agency and join the Knicks. He will be on a much more competitive team.
As for the Nets, the only problem with building through the draft is the uncertainity of the ping pong balls. Losing out on a player like Wall, sets a team back. How much more manuverability would the Nets have if they had gotten Wall in the draft? That’s why if you can get Anthony for a reasonable trade value that will not gut the team of just about all its draft picks, you make the trade.

by StevieG. on Jan 3, 2011 10:43 AM EST reply actions  

We're projected to get Kyrie Irving?

Don’t know the other kid they picked for us, but he seems good.

Damn, I’d kill to get Irving.

by Anthony Perez on Jan 3, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Hes not even the best PG at Duke

Incoming freshman Austin Rivers is.

Although Irving is pretty good. Question as to whether or not he will come out. Not many Dukies leave after freshman year……

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by O Dog on Jan 3, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivers is more of a scorer who can pass but not a pg, more of a sg

by Benl1 on Jan 3, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed not many Dukies leave after 1 year, but Irving would be taking a huge gamble by staying

I’ll bet Irving will declare this year.

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by 3ptChucker on Jan 3, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah the last duke player that left after one year wasssssssssssssss:

Corey Maggette riding the succes he and brand had that year left after his freshman year with brand(junior year) even though they were getting guys like shane battier and jay williams within the next year or two. But by now we know this is status quo for corey: always looking out for himself.

Lets just 68 and say I owe you one

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 3, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Nolan Smith?

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by universal on Jan 3, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Terrence Jones, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Andres B on Jan 3, 2011 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

King’s record looks solid, but I think it is Avery calling the shots. I think if King is left alone he will do fine, but I doubt Avery’s judgment and I wonder how much he will just push for power. Case in point: Did Murhpy just turn into a scrub, or is Avery not playing him to make a point? I feel as if King got us what we needed: a PF to fill the gap until Favors is ready and an expiring contract, and Avery just put the guy in the dog house. He can shoot. We need shooters. No, he is not Sasha, but he should be able to break this lineup.

by oman8 on Jan 3, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

I'd argue that Hump has gotten the most out of the Hump

what has Avery taught Hump that he didn’t already do himself before? Hump is playing hard with energy because
A) this is his contract year,
B) he’s dating Kim,
C) this is his contract year
D) he’s dating Kim

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by 3ptChucker on Jan 3, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, Avery has a lousy track record

getting decent big men to get to the next level….

Didnt help Brandon Bass, a second round pick who the Hornets gave up on.

Didnt help Desagana Diop, a complete bust who the Cavs gave up on.

Oh yeah, Humphries has credited Johnson.

by Net Income on Jan 3, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Barnes, Jones, Irving

Good news. There’s plenty of potential at the top of the draft board. Bad news. The Nets will wind up with a top draft pick through sheer suckage this season – again.

by Doesthishurt on Jan 3, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think we should take Perry Jones

We already have one athletic raw big man who is a bit of a question mark. Do you really wanna push your luck with two?

by muwu on Jan 3, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

I was against him, but he is not only a raw athlete like Favors, he is extremely skilled

He is risky, but he absolutely stands out on the court. The only person I would take ahead of him is Irving.

by gsloots on Jan 3, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked him all last season

I was hoping he would come out and drop to us.

Irving, Sullinger, Morris and MAYBE Barnes (if he could pick up his play, though I doubt he comes out) are the only four guys I’ve seen this year that I’m really liking for us so it’s cool to see 2 of those guys projected to us in a mock. Valanciunas is the only Euroloeage guy I’ve seen and liked. I’m not sold on Vesely and Motiejunas looks like a scrawnier version of Brook.

by shane gayle on Jan 3, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

he worked out with Nets last May

they told him to go back to BYU.

He is on their radar.

by Net Income on Jan 3, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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