How Jimmer Almost Became a Net
by Net Income on Jan 28, 2011 2:13 PM EST
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PrintHe is, as Adrian Wojnarowski writes, a "one name basketball phenomenon", helped by his odd nickname. Jimmer Fredette (not Jim or Jimmy) has become this season's rising college star, the subject of debates over whether he can make it in the pro's. He also could have been a Net last June if Rod Thorn had agreed to give him a guarantee.
Fredette, who's averaging close to 30 ppg for Brigham Young, is a little heavier, a little stronger this year, but the Nets liked what they saw when he came in for a tryout last May 6, unsure he should stay in the Draft. "The New Jersey Nets were inclined to take him in the late 20s," a source told Woj, "but Fredette sought a guarantee and the Nets’ past president, Rod Thorn, couldn’t bring himself to make the promise" (mainly because he last guaranteed Zoran Planinic). The Nets had the #27 and #31 picks and traded them for Damion James.
- Jimmer's magical ride should slow in NBA - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
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Of course wouldn't have expected anything else
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Jimmer's Good
But not worth a lottery pick. If we could get him with the Laker’s pick (late 20s) it would be a steal….although, I don’t see that he would bring anything to the table that we don’t already have in Morrow.
scoring in the mountain west
and scoring in the NBA are usually a bit different.
Damion James, who we essentially used that pick on, put up 18 and 10 in the big 12. So it’s not exactly like we got a huge downgrade, we might not have gotten any downgrade.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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I'm not disapointed in getting James
and honestly I don’t watch college ball. But was James dropping 30 and 40 pts in a game? James is probably the more complete player though.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 28, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
no but he was also playing in a much tougher conference
and has a body and style of game more likely to translate to the NBA and a more complete game. Jimmer is an extremely undersized two guard he could be the next Stephen Curry, or he could be the next infinite list of players playing in less rigorous conferences who put up big numbers in NCAA and end up playing in Europe. I’d much rather take the chance with James.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Worst case scenario for Jimmer I’d say is Eddie House, but he definitely could be more than that. James is the safer pick, and probably has more upside
yeah right jj reddicks college career trumps jimmers by a mile
won player of the year, acc player of the year twice. duke all-time leading scorer and 3 pt shooter
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
i look at jimmer as a
less athletic jj reddick.
don’t know where that fits into the NBA
imagine something extremely witty here
JJ is also 6'5"
and has turned into a pesky defender. jimmer is maybe 6’2’’?
The Mountain West is very underrated
I disagree about the level of competition. Guys like Joel Anthony and Lou Amundson are solid NBA players that never even made the all mountain west team.
"We all have to decide for ourself how much sin we can live with"
Joel Anthony is a solid player?
every time i watch a heats game he misses atleast one wide open dunk or layup from right under the rim
Murs is acting up again, somebody tell this dude to chill
yeah I'm not really sure how those are the best names to bring up
in defense of the Mountain West’s ability to produce NBA players.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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The point is
even unheralded MW players end up making it in the NBA. These guys were just average players in that league and now they are enjoying long NBA careers. Anthony didnt even start at UNL and he starts for the Heat.
"We all have to decide for ourself how much sin we can live with"
but what heralded players have translated at a high level to the NBA?
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Shawn Marion for one
plus Jimmer has had a ton more success than the guys we are talking about. Mountain West Basketball should not be looked at like its the Big West. It has produced 3 NCAA tourney teams multiple years in a row and has had teams in the sweet 16 2 of the last three years. It also has 2 top 10 terams this year plus solid teams like New Mexico and UNLV.
"We all have to decide for ourself how much sin we can live with"
Jimmer has a ton more success
he also has a body type and awkward tweener role that has historically not translated from any conference to the NBA.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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shawn marion was also a lock down defender
fredette is throwin up funky 30 footers every other night. can he dunk? is he explosive like marion? could he be a ball handler in the pros?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
He starts for the Heat due to injuries and due to the Heat's need to fill the roster
with minimum salary guys at the position.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 28, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
He started the last several years for the heat
and several folks on this site were upset when we didnt sign Lou.
"We all have to decide for ourself how much sin we can live with"
great defender
but the dude has no offensive game at all. there’ a reason the heat have 4 centers on the roster becase they dont have one complete one
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
mountain west is always weak....level of top high school talent doesnt compare to power conferences
power conferences have the all-stars off all the high school powerhouses. mwc, wac, c-usa get stars of decent high schools. every year power conferences produce nba talent. mwc, etc have those once-every-ten year studs like marion and bogut
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
The article says he doesn't commit any fouls on defense. That certainly wouldn't fit in with the Avery style.
Just wait until DJames is back, and people won’t be thinking about Jimmer.
DJames is a strong 6’8" and can guard the 2, 3 or 4 and was showing that he can score in many ways.
6'2" senior SG .... cannot make it in the NBA
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
I won't say he absolutely can't
just that history isn’t in his favor.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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OK, I'll say it for you: He absolutely can't
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
Just because you've said that
you have now guaranteed his ticket to the HOF. And throughout his career he’s going to point to the nets not guaranteeing they’d take him as his motivation for his success. He’ll probably single handily destroy our franchise.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Hey, Rod Thorn said it before I did, and Rod is a great evalu.... uh oh.
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
yeah seriously
its not easy to succeed at that height and position, but it can be done, and lots of guys have done it. even if just as a sparkplug off the bench. i mean come on, look at earl boykins (5’5").
monta way better than jimmer
and he still gets smoked on defense
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Monta
My man
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 28, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
and ben gordon is as 1-dimensional as they come
he cant play point because he lacks court vision and an average ball-handler/passer, he is not explosive. all he does is score and he was way better than jimmer at uconn. also you dont think havin charlie v, okafor, hilton, boone, marcus in that 03 year didnt inflate his numbers just a bit?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
before we build this moron
excuse me mormon a statue lets wait to see what he does when hes playing against rajon rondo and not some scrubs who are going to end up working for Initech after their college basketball days
Murs is acting up again, somebody tell this dude to chill
he is not a Mormon
it’s like Keith Van Horn. Just because you play for utah or byu, doesnt mean youre a mormon.
sorry but Jim is a mormon
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tim_layden/03/18/byu/index.html
about 12 paragraphs down starting with “At the age of 18…”
Murs is acting up again, somebody tell this dude to chill
Wikipedia states he is Mormon
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
His mother is Catholic
His parents let them choose whatever religion they wanted to and I think all his siblings chose Mormonism.
true life
Haters gunna hate.
D-Fav = My fave
by OneCGuy on Jan 28, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yormark could use him for Mormon Culture Night
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
by 3ptChucker on Jan 28, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
regardless of whether or not he's Mormon
its pretty irrelevant to even bring up in a discussion about his basketball abilities and kind of offensive in the way you used it, referring to him as a moron for no apparent reason.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Well I wouldn't count him out
Avery Johnson wasn’t a super athletic pg either. But much like Avery this kid will compete. You have to honor his shot. Quick release nice form and range that goes on. He looks like he already has. Better jumper than Rondo, Rose, Westbrook and he has a high motor. This dude will hustle. And he has already bulked up this year and I can see him bulking up even more. Seems like a smart kid. And already a STAR. I just hope he falls to us. He would be fun to watch.
All that said, Terrance Jones is OUR guy. Inside outside handle strong athletic energy guy. Can Rebound handle create and play Above the rim. That’s our SF!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 28, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jimmer isn't a pg
that’s kind of the problem. He’s not a pg, i.e doesn’t have the passing skills, and doesn’t have the athleticism of the players you mentioned. He’s an undersized two guard, which is COMPLETELY different from being a 6-2 somewhat less athletic pg.
Plus Johnson wasn’t super athletic, but he also played in a somewhat different era, since handchecking rules were removed there’s been a major movement towards the bigger more athletic guards since they’re virtually unguardable now.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Reports says he has good court vision
Which to me means he may not make the flashy sexy pass but most likely will make the right pass. Which is all that matters. Hatred and detractors usually make kids like Jimmer great.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 28, 2011 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You would have to watch the games
And his current position is shooting guard not point guard. And with his team at 18-1 there is no reason to change what they are doing.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 28, 2011 3:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah he tends to force shots instead of passing
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
i've seen him play a bunch of times
and have yet to witness any of that vaunted court vision. he’s a pure scorer without NBA scorer tools.
Well we will all know more come march
We will know what we need to know about this kid as we as my favorite Terrence jones. But with that second pick we can land an offensive point. Brandon Knight(the latest Calipari pg product) Kemba Walker (the other scoring machine) as well as the others. Will Kyrie dominate when he returns? Will Nolan Smith step up even more? What will Josh Shelby bring?
We could get alot of quality with that laker pick.
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by MrBDown on Jan 28, 2011 2:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wait what second pick are you talking about?
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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yeah thats the only second pick I know of
and there’s little to no chance of the names he mentioned lasting anywhere near that pick. So I was wondering if he was thinking we had GS’s pick this year, since I’m not seeing Brandon Knight dropping to the late 20s.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
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Well most mocks have many of those PGS falling
Unless there is a run on PGs. And right now I like our chances.
And hey if Dolan keeps yacking about buying first rounders for 3 mil, why isn’t Billy King using the PROKY bucks to buy those picks before Dolan can? It would help us in many ways if we didn’t get Melo we would have the flexibility to get the players we wanted.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 28, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
like a young steve nash without the court vision
by Rodney Buford on Jan 28, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Nash isn't really a scorer
He can light it up, but he’s a pass first PG and not built nearly as densely as Jimmer is. I think he compares more to a guy like Jameer Nelson.
what nash is the best offensive pg in the game
he has two perfect games(fg, ft, 3pt) and him and bird are the only people to avg 50% fg 40% 3pt and 90% ft for a season. he only passes because he doesnt like to force shots without his teammates unless its that trademark pull-up 3.
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 28, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Same could have been said of JJ Reddick
He struggled a bit early on, but he’s a solid contributor now. Jimmer reminds me of Jameer Nelson in his build and and also in that he’d be a score first PG in the NBA. I think he would have been a good fit with Brook in the post kicking out for threes.
if brook cant pass out of the low post right now to morrow for 3's
i doubt hed be any more willing to pass out to jimmer
Murs is acting up again, somebody tell this dude to chill
Brook is looking better at passing out lately
He is getting better in that area. And with shooters like Morrow , Sasha and maybe a Jimmer the double teams wouldn’t be as fast. The doubles have slowed since Morrow came back.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Jan 28, 2011 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brook hasn't done much passing out in the past
because he hasn’t had anyone worth passing out to. Now with Morrow back and Vujacic hitting threes, I have hopes he will send more their way.
D-Fav = My fave
yeah but it's not just a question of could he translate
but do you believe enough in his ability to guarantee you’d take him without knowing who else would fall? I really still don’t think there’s anyway I would rather take the chance on him than on someone like Damion James.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
if we had taken jimmer over damion james
we be forced to start outlaw the entire season.
Murs is acting up again, somebody tell this dude to chill
JJ is 6'5 and strong
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
He's giving up too many inches to play SG.
If this kid can’t play PG, he’s a tweener. I’m not fond of tweeners.
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TWill is not 6'2" and is a gifted athlete
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
Actually
49. Not that it matters, but at least get your facts straight.
And that’s a lot more than what Sasha would have played if he was on the Rockets.
As I've said in this thread...
He reminds me more of a Jameer Nelson who’s only listed as 6’0".
A shoot first, pass second PG who can create his own shots off the dribble.
I am a huge fan of fredette
But Thorn did the right thing in not guaranteeing him anything.. I hope he doesnt turn into an adam morrison
who did we take over granger?
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 28, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
don't ask
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I bet Outlaw drops 40 tonight.. Book it. - Mikee21
lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Draft
15 – NJN – Antoine Wright
16 – TOR – Joey Graham
17 – IND – Danny Granger
Why are you so upset about that? He hasn’t really done anything in the NBA except keep bouncing from team to team.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 28, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Joey Graham isn't that bad actually
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Worse than who Antoine Wright?
Actually think Joey Graham is better.
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
Knowing Avery Graham and Outlaw will probably be starting in plave of James and Morrow
untill weeks after the allstar game
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 28, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions
Guy is on fire, only hope he doesnt turn into Adam Morrison.
"You can spend minutes, hours, days weeks or even months overanalyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what would’ve, could’ve happened – or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the **** on."
-Tupac Amaru Shakur
the fact that Thorn didn't want to take a risk on him
…must mean he’s probably good. Yup, that’s Rod Thorn
Are we going to re-sign Sasha Vujacic
If we dont, I think with the lakers pick if we can get Fredette, he would be great off the bench. Just think about it, if he doesnt work out, he doesnt hurt us because we are not putting alot of stock into him and if he does then we have a dynmaci scorer of the bench.
He'd be a lot cheaper than Sasha too.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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no way JCrawford makes 10 mil now. Sasha wont make that $
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 28, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
No Jimmer would be cheaper. Lol.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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The most amazing thing from that article that i took is
that there are GM’s who would promise to take a kid at a certain spot and then turn around and pick someone else.
that’s slimy, real slimy
we should find out their names and publicly stone them
imagine something extremely witty here
FYI
Cuban is about to be on Pardon the Interruption on ESPN to talk about meeting Proky.
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He has good hops and is very explosive.
He has some pretty strong post moves, but doesn’t have that much in the way of ball-handling. He also hasn’t shown a strong ability to create offense for himself. He is a monster on the boards.
However, he profiels much more as a PF than and SF and so would not be that good of a fit for the Nets.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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He also has a nice jump shot. He's shooting 70% from 3 lol.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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I think a tweener is what the Nets need
Wiilliams would probably beat an NBA 4 off the dribble and has extended range
Him and Outlaw are both tweeners so it could work.
Would you take him over a true SF like Terrence Jones though?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
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The kid is crazy good.
I’ve just been trying to figure out if he can play SF. Though he doesn’t shoot it too often he seems to have a pretty good stroke from three. I could see him panning out at small forward like an even more athletic Jeff Green playing the 3.
Maybe on a last second attempt to deal expring contracts
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4luprx5
Or maybe Andy Rautins who’s for fit more a halfcort/Slow motion offense (coming off screens and knocking down J’s and slashing to the basket/dishing out).
Yeah thought it was 5
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
he will be an NBA scrub anyway
not really a big deal
Do me a favors and take a walk Ujiri
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 28, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions
Same probably but taller and longer
"We're not there yet, but we're going somewhere," Johnson said. "And we're going to Brooklyn. We're not going to contract. We're going to Brooklyn."
I'm happy we traded our 2 picks for James
He showed good flashes and actually had his first NBA start and gets a broken foot.. tough break for the young fella.
Can’t wait till he is back on the court.
Anyway I like Jimmer but I don’t feel like his game would translate well into the NBA. Plus we really don’t need him so I don’t really care about him. We need to talk about SFs and SGs.. Lol
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