Where Do We Go From Here? Revised, Updated and Post-'Melo
by Net Income on Jan 20, 2011 9:24 AM EST
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As the debate over Mikhail Prokhorov's move continues to resound throughout the basketball world, there is one truth that remains unchallenged: in spite of the Melo-Drama, in spite of the losing record and the club's vagabond journey across two states and three arenas, the Nets have a load of assets that can either be used in development, in trades...or both.
The Nets wanted extra first rounders for Terrence Williams and wound up with two along with Sasha Vujacic, who's putting up Sixth Man of the Year numbers since arriving in New Jersey. No team has as many draft picks, no team has as many first rounders; few if any teams have as much in expiring contracts (at least until Troy Murphy is traded); and no matter what you think about Prokhorov's Move on 'Melo, no team has as much cash available as the Nets.
We summarize.
Cap Space:
The Nets are $45,067 over the cap after trading Terrence Williams and Joe Smith for Sasha Vujacic. The team now has 14 players on the roster, one less than the maximum. With Ben Uzoh getting his guarantee on January 5, all the Nets contracts are guaranteed for the year. Before the season, they Nets gave out a reported $635,000 in partial guarantees, $450,000 for Stephen Graham, $35,000 for Uzoh, $100,000 for Sean May and $50,000 for Zoubek, the last two long departed. All still count on the cap. The Nets have renounced Jarvis Hayes' rights.
Being over the cap (and $12 million under the luxury tax) has a not well understood advantage: Teams over the cap can acquire up to 25 percent (with a $100,000 fudge factor) more than the salaries they send away in a trade.
Expiring contracts:
The Nets have five players on expiring contracts totaling $23 million. The expiring contracts, in descending order of size, are: Troy Murphy, $11.97 million; Vujacic, $5.475 million; Kris Humphries, $3.2 million; Quinton Ross, $1.14 million; Graham, $992,680 and Uzoh, $473,604. Graham also has a $100,000 guarantee on a second year.
The remainder of the team is either on rookie contracts--Brook Lopez ($2.41 million); Derrick Favors ($4.13 million) ; Damion James ($1.16 million); or multi-year deals--Devin Harris ($8.98 million); Travis Outlaw, ($7 million); Anthony Morrow ($4 million); Jordan Farmar ($3.75 million) and Johan Petro ($3.25 million) .
The Nets hope to retain more than $20 million in cap space next summer unless they make a deal for a star between now and the trade deadline. However, no one knows what the new collective bargaining agreement will look like...and there could be a lockout.
Draft picks:
The Nets have 12 picks over the next three years, six of their own and six acquired in trades, including the two in the Williams/Vujacic deal. That’s more than any NBA team. Three of the picks have protection, the Lakers' 2011 first rounder, protected 1-18; the Rockets' 2012 lottery-protected pick; and the Warriors’ 2012 first rounder protection which moderately light protection: 1 through 7 in 2012 and 2013 and 1 through 6 in 2014.
Here are the details:
In 2011, the Nets have their own first round pick; the Lakers' first round pick (protected 1-18), acquired in the Terrence Williams trade; plus their own second round pick.
In 2012, the Nets have their own first round pick; the Rockets' first round pick (lottery-protected), acquired in the Terrence Williams trade; the Warriors’ first round pick (protected 1 through 7), acquired in the Marcus Williams trade; plus their own second round pick and the Heat's second round pick (unprotected), acquired along with Chris Quinn. Considering the improvements made by the Heat in the off-season, that pick is likely to be among the least valuable.
In 2013 (and beyond), the Nets have their own first round pick and their own second round pick.
Regarding protections:
--The Warriors' 2012 first rounder. Should the Warriors get a top 7 pick in 2012, the Nets would have to wait until 2013 to exercise the pick, again with protections 1 through 7. Should the Warriors again get a top seven pick in 2013, the Nets would have to wait again, until 2014, when the pick would be protected 1 through 6. In the highly unlikely event that the Warriors pick is still in the top six in 2014, the Nets would be given two unprotected second round picks in 2014 and 2016. (Why highly unlikely? In the past 15 years, since the draft was last reconfigured, only one team has had three consecutive years picking in the top seven: the Nets in 1999-2001, when their picks were #6, #1, and #7. It is entirely possible and ironic that the Nets could wind up with a better pick from the Marcus Williams deal than either they received from the Kidd trade.)
--The Lakers' 2011 first rounder. The pick is protected 1-18 through 2016. Currently, the Lakers would pick at #27 so barring a monumental collapse--or a trade, the Nets are likely to use it this June. In the unlikely event the Lakers pick between #1 and #18, the pick rolls over each year through 2016. In 2017, it would be unprotected.
--The Rockets' 2012 first rounder. The pick is lottery protected (1-14) through 2016. If the Rockets pick falls in the lottery in 2012, the pick rolls over each year, again through 2016. In 2017, it would become a second round pick.
The Nets have not traded one of their own first round picks since 1999, preferring to keep their picks and trade those acquired from other teams. (The last two first round picks the Nets traded turned into Matt Harpring and Wally Szczerbiak.)
Trade exception:
Trade exceptions only come into play when a team goes over the cap. It appears they have a TE worth $2.91 million from the Yi Jianlian for Ross trade. It expires June 30. There are restrictions on their use...they can't be traded with a player for example...but they can be valuable. If the Nets wanted to trade a draft pick to, or swap picks with, a team in return for a player, they can use a trade exception to do so. Trade exceptions can also be used to grab a player off the waiver wire. Why appears? Because the Nets acquired the TE just before free agency last July and it's uncertain if they renounced it.
Mid-level and Low-level exceptions:
With the Nets go over the cap, they would normally be able to use their mid-level (MLE) and low-level (LLE) exceptions, worth $5.85 million and $2.0 million, to sign and trade players in a more complicated deal. However, the team renounced both last summer to get room for free agent signings. So they can't sign a player to an excepton and then deal him, as they did with Keith Van Horn in the Jason Kidd trade.
Cash considerations:
No owner in sports has as much money as Mikhail Prokhorov. Depending on who you believe, he is worth $13.4 billion (Forbes); $17.85 billion (Finans, the Russian finance magazine) or $25 billion (Marc Stein, based on what he heard from NBA types who saw his financial disclosure). No team can receive more than $3 million in any transaction, whether buying a draft pick or sweetening a deal. However, teams can give out up to $3 million in each of multiple transactions.
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I say we punt...
then play some good defense !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Ohhh easy question
But another easy answer….. We biuld a contending team let the profesionals do the work ( king)…
there are so many good players on the trading block we just have to pick coz we have assets that no team has :)
Carmelo Anthony
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 20, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
This will get 1000 posts!
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
Did you give your take on yesterday's events on this site?
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
Let’s face facts
we wont know how this works out for a while, maybe a long while.
But bottom line, the Nets didnt trust Melo.
by Net Income on Jan 20, 2011 8:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
You know...I never trusted that Carmelo fellow either !
Plus he’s a lousy dancer…
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
I can whip up 2,000 Trade Machine scenarios for you.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
prEcious...
"Nobody in the league can guard you one-on-one," Johnson bellowed from the sideline. "It's an insult to you if they try."
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Carmelo Anthony
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 20, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
If you can't get young/expiring talent
I say just find the best deal for Murphy, then just keep losing.
You don’t wanna go down the same road as the Bobcats and try to be a playoff team before your time. They went for Jason Richardson, they went for Larry Brown. They inflated their record, and got into the playoffs. But what they’re realizing right now is that the foundation wasn’t there.
You can’t get better until you have the foundation pieces to support it. Can’t think about the 2nd floor until you dig the foundation. Otherwise it’ll all come crashing down on your head.
by muwu on Jan 20, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
The foundation would be fine if they played Tyrus Thomas more, drafted Brook instead of D.J. Augustin, and paid Felton to stay. There’s nothing wrong with what they did regarding the Richardson and Brown moves – they were stupid after that.
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by yellow fever on Jan 20, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Augustine and Brown didn't miss
Two very different styles. Now under Silas, Augustine is being allowed to freelance more and be himself. His play is been very good as of late
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by Scoot21 on Jan 20, 2011 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
rec'd
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"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
That's the question
How do we rebuild? The most important parts are the most difficult to get, defensive bigs. The most common way is through the draft while you suck. I think Favors showed last night how its done.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
well
lets start with what we have
Lopez and Favors.
that’s a good start. A summer of strict training and work should have them much better next season as a tandem
Lets see what our 1st rd pick can net us this year, and see if we can flip Murphy for someone that will be worth our while
I want Monta Ellis here. But that’s a pipe dream
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
If it's defensive bigs
imo Lopez doesn’t qualify. Boy do I wish we could have Thorn in 2012. Jerry has to start tweeting Howard now.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
Carmelo Anthony
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 20, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
That prissy, sucker-punching, stop-snitching, no-defense attention whore? Why would you want HIM?
Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.--Woj
by calling all toasters on Jan 20, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think we have a very nice looking future
With Brook and Favors and the upcoming draft picks.
Outlaw = MVP
by NetsAreTheChamps on Jan 20, 2011 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
NO!
We have done that for the past 2 years. Lose, and think that will make you better in the future. Hasn’t worked.
Time to start winning is NOW. Trade Murphy for talent, even if the talent is older / has a longer contract.
The losing has to stop some time – I think it should stop now.
lol
Someone forgot how long it took us to get to the finals.
by head_hunter on Jan 21, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I think we’re in a much different situation than Charlotte. We have young players and flexibility. If we made the playoffs this year (highly unlikely), I wouldn’t be worried about our future. That would mean Lopez, Favors, etc. are developing very well. We’d still have a bunch of picks and plenty of cap to keep improving. Charlotte had everyone in their prime (or slightly past their prime) when they made the playoffs.
What are we going to do with all these assets
is the question. We have only one player we drafted so our drafting was disastrous. Nobody wants to come here so it would be difficult trade for a star. We’ll have to live with what we’ve and hope that somehow Favors become Dwight Howard and Brook becomes Tim Duncan and our next first round pick would become next CP3. Could it happen, yes it can but we are somewhat a cursed organization so there is a possibility that all of this would go to hell and we’ll end up with a bottom feeder……..
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Lopez, Favors, and Damion James...
.. .which two didn’t the Nets draft?
Carmelo Anthony?
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 20, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Favors and James were drafted in last draft.
We were about this ship them both. I talked about our draft history. Brook was the only one left EXCEPT PLAYERS FROM OUR LAST DRAFT.
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The remainder of the team is either on rookie contracts—Brook Lopez ($2.41 million); Derrick Favors ($4.13 million) ; Damion James ($1.16 million); or a multi-year deal—Devin Harris ($8.98 million). The Nets may be the only team in the NBA with only player on a multi-year, non-rookie deal.
Why are we implying that the Nets are the only team with only (no numbers here, so one?) player on a multi-year non-rookie deal…when we gave out such deals to Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow, and Johan Petro last offseason? I know we like to pretend they don’t exist, but come on.
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Oh, and Jordan Farmar too.
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by yellow fever on Jan 20, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks, NI. Just didn’t seem right as I was reading it.
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by yellow fever on Jan 20, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Carmelo
Anthony
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 20, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ha ha
you can still sleep with your Melo doll.
Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.--Woj
by calling all toasters on Jan 20, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Here is my proposed trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4a77cpv
Nets get: Andre Miller + Monta Ellis
Golden State gets: 2012 GS pick from Nets+ one second round pick from Nets + Damion James + Troy Murphy’s expiring
Portland gets: Devin Harris
What’s in it for Nets? They get Monta Ellis as their scorer plus Andre Miller to take over for losing Devin.
What’s in it for Portland? They replace Andre Miller with Devin Harris
What’s in it for GS? Uhhh, well, they get their 2012 draft pick back plus another pick, they get Murphy’s expiring contract plus Damion James. Don’t know if that’s enough. But it works under the cap.
Dear Mr. Prokhorov: While I blame you for letting the Melo trade process get to a point where it was ruining your current basketball team, I commend you for at least having enough sense to stop the bleeding. Now, hopefully you've learned from this experience and won't repeat the same mistake(s) in the future.
I don’t like Monta’s contract going forward, but if the Nets aren’t able to lure any prized free-agents in the near-future then the cap-space won’t be of much use. There’s no way for the Nets to find out if they’re going to be able to lure the big fish when they make the move.
As I stated last night, I still don’t think this Melo thing is over. I don’t have any logic or evidence to back up my claim, it’s just a hunch. A hunch from someone without an inside-track and no real information, so it should be given little-to-no merit.
The Token Black-Jew
if i'm GS
i’m not trading monta for that.
by shane gayle on Jan 20, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
—The Rockets’ 2012 first rounder. The pick is lottery protected (1-14) through 2016. If the Rockets pick falls in the lottery in 2012, the pick rolls over each year, again through 2016. In 2017, it would become a second round pick.
The Rockets are about to enter a rebuild. This pick is worthless.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I want Kevin MArtin
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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by Andy. on Jan 20, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Martin
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"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
made o' glass
"Nobody in the league can guard you one-on-one," Johnson bellowed from the sideline. "It's an insult to you if they try."
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touche
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
They'll be fine
They have quietly rebuild on the fly and have as much youth and assets as anyone.
We will see that pick in 2012 or 2013 if I had to guess.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
The Lakers pick could prove to be handy
if this year’s class isn’t as bad as some folks predict.
If the big names don’t come out this season, I’m quite sure that the Nets will land the 1st pick in the draft.
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What does this part mean?
The Nets may be the only team in the NBA with only player on a multi-year, non-rookie deal
What about Outlaw, Morrow, Petro and Farmar?.
thank you for your efforts
it is appreciated, despite our collective disappointment and frustration
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"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Anthony, Carmelo
"Go ahead, make a cake"
by CinnamonToastCrunch on Jan 20, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
So, so desperate.
Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.--Woj
by calling all toasters on Jan 20, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
it's funny because i watch the games closely
and i just don’t see Devin Harris playing as badly as some folks think. if you’re expectations are chris paul, or jason kidd in prime, maybe.
but he’s a top half NBA PG (in a league with a lot of very good to great PG’s) who you can go head to head with anyone without embarrassing you. he’s quick, can’t hit shots, get to the rim, finish, get fouled.
sure, he makes some bone headed plays but jeez, you’d think this guy was anthony johnson the way he’s talked about sometimes
imagine something extremely witty here
in other words, if i'm running the Nets
there are many more top priorities to deal with than getting rid of devin harris.
imagine something extremely witty here
and Harris is a guy who actually wants to be here.
they are few and far between.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
would
you guys be willing to trade Harris and 1st round pick for Monta Ellis, im not sure if slaries and what not match up but i think i would take it
by Pure baller15 on Jan 20, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Jron would rather see
Elliot Perry at the point than Devin. But the problem is if a team has a great point guard they generally want to keep him unless he is a relic
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by Scoot21 on Jan 20, 2011 8:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He needs to go
we will never be a championship caliber team with him unless hes a 4th option and we are so far away from that.
We need a pure PG who makes others better.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Great so find one that is on the block
And not past his prime because we aren’t an instant contender even when this player arrives.
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by Scoot21 on Jan 20, 2011 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree completely. I actually don't want harris gone. He's a more than capable solid fun to watch pg, and isn't on the back end of his career.
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
by njnets on Jan 20, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watch his game
Dude took every shot , trying to win the game. Rest of the team disappeared in that stretch, and we lost. He has everything going for him but the mind. He needs to be stripped of the leader role but guys may be leaders are to young and the others are not ready. So what we need more than anything right now, it’s a team leader.
by Zartan on Jan 20, 2011 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and yes, while there was a slight uptick in his D,
He erased two 10+pt leads, created by the 2nd team…. TWO.
Could it be possible
That the nets, Melo, and his agent after being granted permission to speak by the nuggets devised a plan to wait until the summer to make the trade? If Melo plays hardball with the Nuggets and finishes the season the Nets can offer up much less in a trade as Denver will fear losing him for nothing. I’m sure there is an agreement between Melo’s agents and the Nets that if they can move him to NY or the Bulls if he feels that they give him the best chance of winning. This will give the Nets more assets to offer in a trade for Chris Paul. I know its a pipe dream but def possible.
yeah that's not gonna happen bro
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Or imagine we get Melo in free agency for nothing?!
Harris / Farmar
Morrow /
Melo / D.James
Favors / Outlaw
Lopez / Petro
+
NJ #1 – top 5 pick
LAL #1
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you
I haven’t laughed like that in a long time.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
either way
It’s a smart business move by the Nets. I would rather them retain their flexibility because at this time they are not going to compete with anyone even if they got Melo. The Nets would have to wait 2 years to entice a hopefully healthy Chris Paul to sign because prior to that they wont have the assets to offer in a trade.
Even if it's an extension...
Those have been going for a Trade Exception and a future pick or two.. ala LBJ, Bosh, etc. I could live with that!
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I just feel as if the Nets have weakened the Nuggets stance on the matter with other teams. Now the Bulls and Knicks know that they dont have to offer the world to stay in competition with the Nets. So now the Nuggets can listen to offers and realize that they wanted too much and crawl back to the Nets prior to trading him for something they arent truly thrilled with.
that's what I tried to say.
Nobody can offer a better deal than the Nets. And Melo wants to be traded, because he won’t explore the FA with the new CBA
by Fabio Villani on Jan 20, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Looks good
Shows that we are just missing one good piece. To give up all types of assets to get it, is counter productive.
by Zartan on Jan 20, 2011 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NI, a question about Lopez's contract
Am i right in thinking that when it expires next season hey becomes a restricted free agent? Meaning we can sign him to a multi-year deal but on a larger contract? I’m only wondering because if not then I can’t see him sticking around much longer.
I can't imagine
Golden state is dying tO dump Ellis
imagine something extremely witty here
by Gminski on Jan 20, 2011 9:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah
this sucks
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
morning DB, i came let to the show here today
and i know it’s in the wrong thread. but i read your comments from the other thread and figured to throw my 2 cents in re: nets potential embarrassment.
any time you put yourself in a situation where you’re dealing with a) amateurs b) unscroupulous folks c) both it’s going to be very, very difficult to come out looking good. the old lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas thing.
i can see the argument that it went on too long, and proky should have ended it sooner, but reality is there is still over a month to go b4 the trade deadline. personally, i’m not embarrassed at all that we gave our best shot at melo, tried to find out as much as there was to find out, and then walked away. the public nature of the proceedings is a newish thing in the NBA. i think it has much less to do with the Nets FO leaking, but i believe that how Leon Rose, CAA, Worldwide Wes work. We saw it in the Lebron situation. All the leaking, false reports. that’s how these sleazeballs attempt to create leverage in the new twitter/blog/media atmosphere. everyone’s getting hip to them though.
basically, i’m more happy than embarrassed that we have a rational, intelligent, ballsy owner than anything.
imagine something extremely witty here
by Gminski on Jan 20, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also it should make us all feel good that billy king
is citing the right examples to follow – lakers, spurs, okc AND that proky realizes that if you overpay ONCE in the NBA your franchise could be set back 5 or 6 years.
they know what’s up. they’re aggressive, but not stupid. what else could we ask for?
imagine something extremely witty here
by Gminski on Jan 20, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+100
That’s all i ask for at the end of the day…an owner who is willing to deal but with a realistic mentality.
Who cares what other fans might think, or the media for that matter. I’m still a Net fan and I’m glad this team has all this assets. The future is still unwritten and I believe the Nets will be just fine in the long run.
Story is the over yet…
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
*Story is not over yet
If I can just hide, the sinner inside, and keep him denied.
How sweet life would be, if I could be free, from the sinner in me.
sorry guys
prohky didn’t end it earlier because his carrier pigeon got lost somewhere trying to deliver king’s message to him saying to pull out earlier. that’s why we allowed denver’s amateur fo to embarass us
by John Geneta on Jan 20, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
NI, How much cap space do we project to have next summer
Factoring in cap holds on draft picks
+
Assuming the cap is roughly the same as what it is now
?
NI is Billy King still going to trade for a scorer such as Oj Mayo?? or hes done dealing?
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Jan 20, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
If only
There was a trading block list available to the public like in NBA2K games. Then we’d know for sure if guys like Monta Ellis were available.
just wait
draft the homie Kyrie Irving and bring him home to run the point.
Don't tease
I think you can be banned for that.
by Zartan on Jan 20, 2011 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yea- seen this b4 kid is SICKNESS
unreal crossovers and his control in the lane is remarkable.
"Nobody in the league can guard you one-on-one," Johnson bellowed from the sideline. "It's an insult to you if they try."
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how about
we get terrence jones this year then austin rivers next year?
by John Geneta on Jan 20, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
U will have to have the #1 pick in 2012 for Austin Rivers
If they didnt have that HS rule, he would probably be the #1 pick in this years draft. Hes that good.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
i would be
happy with him or kyrie irving as our future pg if we can somehow get the no 1 pick either year
by John Geneta on Jan 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Doc Rivers son
Heard about him, not seen anything though.
by Zartan on Jan 20, 2011 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd try and get some of the younger SFs in the league
How about a trade with the Knicks? Hump for Randolph and Gallo or Chandler. Add in Farmar to the mix since they want a backup for Felton
Hate Gallo…especially his hair and dumb face.
Like Chandler’s game though
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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Isn't Chandler a fa?
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by Scoot21 on Jan 20, 2011 8:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder what they think they can get for Murphy
He is an expiring contract, but usually teams that are looking for expiring contracts want to send back a non-expiring contract. But do the Nets really want to pick up a non-expiring contract?
I think Murphy’s value is really only in being a rental for a team that needs a good shooting big man. But I don’t think such a team will be willing to pay much.
Murphy and a draft pick for Ben Gordon!
And then Morrow, Damion James, and 2 more draft picks for Danny Granger.
Gordan is undersized and old.
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Gordon doesn't help the defense
If you are going to trade morrow you need to get a complete player to justify it. Morrow is an outstanding shooter and the more playmakers we have, the better he is. Gordon is another possession killer, like an Outlaw. Dribbling away the shot clock and bogging down the offense. The championship teams move the ball.
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by Scoot21 on Jan 20, 2011 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not old, he's 27
But he hasn’t done anything even while getting 27 minutes a game in Detroit. Not gonna be what he was in Chicago
I'd say Gerald Wallace or Monte Ellis point blank!!!
But Wallace can be had at a great rate more than likely and would be a better fit for this team being a starter that can ignite energy into this team!!!
Wallace plays with no self control…he always gets hurt
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SMH that's because he plays hard and yeah goes all out!!! but I see ya point!
but due to the fact that he could be had for Murphy and maybe the lakers 1st rounder i’d do it in a heartbeat!!!!
Didn't the bobcats say they weren't interested in giving away Wallace/Jackson for a salary dump
They still want to compete, they want players
I’m interested in Gerald Wallace and Kevin Martin. Hope we can somehow still be left with cap room to sign AK and/ or VC in the summer.
I like Kevin Martin too...
and we REALLY need a 20+ ppg scorer. His injury history does scare me though.
Monte Ellis would be a better choice
Martin is too inijury prone…although his contracts ends 2013 and Ellis 2014.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Martin-Harris backcourt would be SICK
heck i would even do this.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6znflqj
lol
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For the first time in a while Andres, I disagree. I don’t think the Nets should pursue any veterans this year, I think they should just allow their young players to develop and keep the pick as high as possible.
I’m not a big Kevin Martin fan. I don’t think he can be the number-one option on a winning team.
The Token Black-Jew
What's the use of getting Gerald Wallace?
He’s not the difference between the playoffs and the lottery, he’s 28. His only effect would be to make our draft pick worse
....
Good point but they gotta get something for Murphy and compared to the price of Ellis and the others Wallace may be the best option due to the fact that MJ is looking to cut loose Wallace and Jackson plus Chicago has the Bobcats 1st rounder this year so it seems like a bulleye for us if we want him. Mind you I live in NC and that’s all the local radio people have been sayin….
agreed
I don’t know why everyone has a man-crush on Gerald Wallace. Try to get something decent in return for Murphy, but don’t do anything that will hurt our flexibility or our chances of getting a better draft pick.
Iggy
See if the 76ers will take Murph and laker pick. Next years team with our pick , would be sick.
by Zartan on Jan 20, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thorn running the show
Good luck with that one. Turner is starting to look more comfortable though
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by Scoot21 on Jan 20, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Completely agree Muwu. You said something earlier that’s spot-on, in my opinion:
If you can’t get young/expiring talent
I say just find the best deal for Murphy, then just keep losing.
You don’t wanna go down the same road as the Bobcats and try to be a playoff team before your time. They went for Jason Richardson, they went for Larry Brown. They inflated their record, and got into the playoffs. But what they’re realizing right now is that the foundation wasn’t there.
You can’t get better until you have the foundation pieces to support it. Can’t think about the 2nd floor until you dig the foundation. Otherwise it’ll all come crashing down on your head.
The Token Black-Jew
The use of getting Gerald Wallace
is that he is an outstanding player, and one of the best in the league at our weakest position. Of course he is the difference between the lottery and the playoffs.
Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.--Woj
by calling all toasters on Jan 20, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
He's going to raise our level of play enough on his own for us to be a playoff team?
And what about long term? Players reliant on athleticism don’t exactly love the wrong side of 30
GW is a good player
but not sure I would want to trade Murphys expiring for GW. I would rather inquire about Monta Ellis, see if hes available and what it would take to get him if he is.
I think we could get a good 3 in the draft this year.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
They wont give up Holiday straight up for Devin
They like him here in Philly (I live here). They think he may be a star.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Not a pure point
Watch him against the better teams
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by Scoot21 on Jan 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i'm on the Rubio bandwagon
is he available? If he is do what it takes Billy, the kid is gonna be sensational and he will be a global rock star
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 20, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Who said he didn’t want to be here? He wants to be in a bigger market. As I said, you can bring in a vet like Miller and get the contract to expire by the end of next season but they should take one of those picks & look into Rubio. From what I hear, he needs to work on his shot. As long as he can dish, I can work around that. He’s still young.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 20, 2011 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My Muprhy Idea
Trade him to Dallas for
Butler + ’11 #1 + ’12 #2
for
Murphy + ’11 #2
Nets move up 5-10 slots in the draft and buy out Butler so he can return to the Mavs for the playoffs. Mavs get a good player behind Dirk and Butler back, all for moving down 5-10 spots in the draft.
No point in wasting the cap space Murphy offers
Unless it’s a steal.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Nope my bad
I responded to myself since I wanted to clarify why we do a deal like that.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I’m hope we really do trade Murphy though, and not just give him a buy-out.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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Ellis would be a really good piece to go after
Can’t believe gs is trying to get rid of him…..but he’s awesome and would provide great scoring and could be our go to guy that we desperately need…as for our sf we could get that at the draft…..as well as a point guard cause as much as I’m pro devin Harris I still feel that the team needs a floor general to set the office currectly
by Cesani36 on Jan 20, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
why do you say gs is trying to get rid of monta?
i havent seen this, please provide a link.
Exactly!!! Ellis is one of GS highly touted players by the fans and they would take a HUGE blow if they traded him away!!
especially since him and Curry started to get along on and off the court and they are somewhat winning more!! you all gotta get out of this dream world where you think GS is just gonna ally oop Ellis to us, he is gonna cost us alot more than Gerald Wallace will and no matter how injury prone Wallace may be at least it’s because he goes all out on the court!!! I would pay to see that nowadays!!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/571276-monta-ellis-and-stephen-curry-a-dynamic-backcourt-but-one-must-go
It’s a slightly old article they might just stay with the back-court they have and keep adding pieces to the team….but it’s not the first time I’ve herd or read something like this (this season)
by Cesani36 on Jan 20, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anything from Bleacher Report or Associated Content
is about as credible as the annoying sweaty guy in the next cubicle.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
It was mentioned this past offseason
Don’t know by who but I did hear of it.
by Zartan on Jan 20, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
happens to me all teh time
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Sorry on my phone :-/ keeps auto correcting
by Cesani36 on Jan 20, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
slightly off topic but...
what do people think of the Brooklyn Arsenal if we have to change our team name? I think it sounds pretty cool. I know its used by the english soccer team, but team names have been repeated across different sports and leagues before.
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
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Arsenal is a cool name but the Brooklyn franchise needs its own identity.
Arsena F.C.l has been around for 125 years, taking that name would hurt our global appeal. I wouldn’t mind a Naval name, considering Brooklyn’s history with the ship yard. My name of choice is the Atlantics or A’s for short. Brooklyn’s original baseball team, and American baseball’s first championship team.
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 20, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ohh, I think you're onto something here...
The Brooklyn Atlantic…. the ocean that connects Europe and North America…. Nets becoming the first “global” NBA team… hmmmm!
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by macgyver893 on Jan 20, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
OMG-- that's actually an OK name!
Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.--Woj
by calling all toasters on Jan 20, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Probably couldn't get a trademark for it
Since the soccer club already owns it.
I would take back a longer contract
For Murph if it was combined with a good young prospect.
by BrooklynNets on Jan 20, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I want talent in exchange for Murphy
Not more picks or another expiring deal. Use Murphy to get better now, not later. I am tired of losing, losing, losing… on the premise that losing now will help us get better later. Tried that last year and it failed.
The time to start getting better is NOW. Get Wallace.
by A.S. on Jan 20, 2011 10:32 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
There may be an error in the number of picks from other teams. I count only 4 picks, 3 1st round and 1 2nd round.
I thought we forfeited 2 2nd round picks to LAL in the Vujacic deal?
There is only 1 2nd round pick from another team. I think you must have forgotten to update the file after the Vujacic trade.
Then which 2nd round pick is missing in the list above?
I believe we got a 2012 Chicago 2nd round pick from the deal with Bucks?
Oh yeah...
I think we gave up both then, maybe.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
no..lol
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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Nick Young
is in the bottom 10 in terms of rebound rate of all SGs in the NBA
He has the 5th lowest assist per 40 minute numbers of any SG in the NBA
He has the 3rd lowest assist rate of all SGs in the NBA
Can you say one dimensional?
He’s not much of an improvement over someone like Morrow
I agree he's 1 dimensional from the standpoint that he's simply a scorer
But comparing him to Morrow, no way. 1 on 1, Nick Young can get off a shot on anyone. That’s not Morrow. He compares more favorably to Jamal Crawford.
Do Nets get a MLE and LLE this summer?
I thought that was previously mentioned.
They will be renounced for cap space
Otherwise their hold takes away cap space.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Nets may be wise to extend Hump and Vujacic so only Graham and Ross are expendable, which isn't much.
Everything depends on what happens with Murphy before the trade deadline.
I thought the Nets gave up their 2011 second round pick to the Lakers.
[I see Jerry just made the same observation]
Would you guys do this?
Do the Hamilton for Murphy deal
in addition send our GS protected 2012 for Detroit unportected 1st this year
41-41. Book it! 2011-12 that is.
more shots at #1
or added trade flexibiloity to combine picks to get inving, jones, barnes etc, if we r not top 3
41-41. Book it! 2011-12 that is.
by yankeesnets on Jan 20, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
why would we do that deal?
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
haha MDB
u say why would nets do that
Muwu says, detroit would never deal unportected lottery pick
I do it to give us 2 shots at legit talent in 2011 draft
detroit says, i get relief and a high GS pick next yr (plus potential other sweetners if needed)
41-41. Book it! 2011-12 that is.
by yankeesnets on Jan 20, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
GS pick is protected
At its very best, it’s pick number 8. The Pistons pick would be number 7 right now if the lottery were today. the Golden State pick would be 13th.
GS pick is not as good as you think it is
cash
additional Lakers pick
and big time salary cap relief
41-41. Book it! 2011-12 that is.
by yankeesnets on Jan 20, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Let's put it this way
Would you trade away our pick to get rid of Outlaw/Harris’ salary? If you were getting back the relief, 3 million, the Lakers and GS pick?
it may be in 2012
If there is a lockout thats when the underclassmen will declare.
Also its the year of the big FA….having 1st round draft picks in 2012 will be extremely valuable for sign and trades
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Not the top talent
The top talent aren’t all gonna decide to skip this years draft because of the lockout. Boohoo, you have to wait a year for your money. If they go back to college, they’ll have to wait a year for their money as well. Difference is, if they have a career threatening injury or have a bad season, they could lose it all.
Ask Willie Warren. Had he declared a year earlier, he would have been a top 5 pick. But he stayed and became a 2nd round pick. Joakim Noah stayed in school when he could have been a number 1 pick. He becomes the 9th pick
Im willing to bet most of them stay
if the CBA is not signed my guess is the feedback they will get from their ‘advisors’ is to wait it out. They dont want to sit and not play either.
And yes there is risk in staying in school. There will also be risk in coming out if theres a lockout. They will have to weigh those options.
But someone like Kylie Irving, my guess is he stays. Freshman, hurt, Duke. I think add all of that up and I would be surprised if he came out with a CBA issue.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
Of course their advisors will advise them to declare
That’s the story every draft, about how agents, family, and friends pressure guys to declare because they want to mooch on the money he’s gonna get.
I don’t see why Irving stays in school. He’s already likely the number 1 pick even when hurt, why stay in school?
The only asset to watch at this time, IMO, is the expiring contract of Troy Murphy.
I’m not sure why the Nets would keep him away from the gym. He has to at least stay in shape for another team to take him. Just not get hurt too badly. Even the Pistons were boasting that he would be good for the team (scoring/rebounds), besides as an expiring.
I’m sure Billy King will look for deals including Murphy. However, if it involves another key player (eg Harris) and the deal doesn’t get done quickly, there would be the same problem of affecting team chemistry.
My prediction is that no big deal happens (involving Murphy) until the last week of the trade deadline, unless Melo is dealt before then (unlikely).
And if Nets win a few more games before then, the value of certain players (including Outlaw) may rise.
We can't keep talking like the Nets are a team full of flexibility
Our flexibility and large cap space is gonna disappear in a year or two, once Brook’s extension kicks in. We can’t waste the flexibility we have now on short term deals only
muwu
what do you think of my play for an extra lottery pick this yr (see above)
41-41. Book it! 2011-12 that is.
by yankeesnets on Jan 20, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
No way the Pistons trade a lottery pick for a mere salary dump
and like i said, that would put Hamilton on our books for 2 more years. Can’t waste the flexibility we have for a deal that won’t help us in the future
Gs pick in 2012
plus salary relief
plus cash
plus additional protected pick of Lakers might do it
I would explore just to see how bad pistons want relief
I want 2 shots at jones, barnes, irving etc
41-41. Book it! 2011-12 that is.
by yankeesnets on Jan 20, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
We need starters
I think we need to get legit starters for the team….doesn’t have to be all star quality nor big contract…but just players that play theyre role…..the nets look like a giant bench with two starters….sometimes 1
by Cesani36 on Jan 20, 2011 10:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
At this point in the season
I think getting good young pieces makes more sense. It would take a complete team overhaul like the trade that was proposed to even sniff the playoffs. If you arent making the playoffs and we are in the same situation I think we should stay the course. Especially with a lockout near. Trades at the deadline would get us the best deals. The draft picks for next year may very well be worth little considering a lockout as top prospects return to college. Why pay lottery prices for second round talent ?
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was waiting for this topic.
Now that I may officially lose $200. I had a bet with some cocky Knick fans at work that the Nets would make the playoffs.
1) trade Murphy for a young PG, SG or SF
2) Trade Harris for a young PG, SG or SF
3) Hold on to picks so if we dont get a high lottery pick we can package some picks to move up.
I dont want any part of Ellis. He doesnt solve our problems. Harris is an undersized SG why do we want another. We need a Pass First PG. Yeah getting Nash doesnt work with the youth movement but he is the type of PG we need.
Granger would help us at SF but I would rather draft a SF then pay him or Wallace. SG is what I would really target now. Mayo has been inconsistent, but he is an option. Harden has shown me much. Eric Gordon would be great, but I doubt Clippers let him go.
Passing PG, Versatile SF, and Star Potential SG that is what we need.
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I'm not betting on this goddamn franchise
ever. You’d be wise to do the same.
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I got very depressed after reading this.
In 2011, the Nets have their own first round pick; the Lakers’ first round pick (protected 1-18), acquired in the Terrence Williams trade; plus their own second round pick.
Are you serious? That’s all we have!???!?!?!?
GREAT, we basically get one god player, MAYBE each year from this.
This is going to be a longggggg rebuilding process.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
That's the 2011 draft
Which isn’t supposed to be very good because of a lockout.
We have 3 1st rounders in 2012.
Meanwhile do this:
LAL #1
NJ #2
$3m Cash
for
Pick in late teens.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Great, next season should be the 3rd straight crappy season then. So happy we will be better, maybe 5 years from now.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
you better be prepared for 3 more seasons at least of being in the crapper
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
2012 Baby
Lopez
Favors
D.James
Harris (expirer)
Farmar (expirer)
Morrow (expirer)
Petro (expirer)
Outlaw (only 3 years)
’11 #1 (top 5)
’11 LAL #1
’12 #1 (top 10)
’12 GS #1
’12 HOU #1
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Oh gee I am so excited as a fan of the Nets who actually likes to watch basketball games on a daily basis. Cant wait for 3 years from now.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
1.5 years
But it’s simple… don’t watch.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Its much more then 1.5 years.
And its not simple, I want to be a Nets fan, I want to watch. I want them to give me something to watch. Proky sure did try. He tried everything he could think of.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
there is something to watch
you can watch development, it’s not like there’s literally nothing to watch. I really don’t understand what you’re so upset about, we don’t know what’s going to happen next year or in the next few months. Maybe some players really start to develop and make games more interesting. Watching young players learn and grow in themselves is entertainment.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
When you lose all but 12 games, apparently it becomes a disease that you cant break from. It clouds all basketball logic and know how. These players should be better by now, but they are not. We are developing players, but none of note, that will actually carry us to the playoffs. Without that player, we are just going to get better and not much at all. The bad habits will continue, new players will be set back or down right ruined, and until we get a basketball mind on the court that will stand up against that, we are doomed.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
or maybe part of the reason they're not better is the distractions
and injuries? What players should really be better that aren’t? Favors is about it and he’s been surrounded by trade rumors. Farmar is better, Morrow was showing big flashes before his injury, James injury obviously derailed him, eventually they’re going to come back. And maybe we’ll get that type of player in the draft, considering that’s where pretty much every team that has a player like that got it from. We’ve only had 3 years picking in the lottery and two of those years we were incredibly low, it’s not like we’ve had 3 top 5 picks and have just missed., We’ve made a few missteps and have had some mitigating circumstances but we’re probably on the right track if we can actually let out players play without them thinking they’re going to be shipped cross country any day. Like Mr. DB said, relax, it’s not like we’ve been a lottery team for ten years, most teams, especially small market teams, are going to have ups and downs, we were up the first half of the decade and then we’ve been trending down, it’s just a normal cycle, and should be expected, especially for a team that was operating on a small market(or virtually nonexistant) budget. 3-4, or even 5, years in the lottery is nothing in the grand scheme of sports. It’s the kind of thing that happens to every team except the ultra elites.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
by Gina on Jan 20, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
The last 2 years we went from d-league talent to bench talent and added two rookies. One is a project and the other is injured. What do people expect? Basketball is great in that you could improve quickly. After watching Favors last night if he could play at that level consistantly next year we are a 40 win team with many assets and young talent. A couple of good decisions and we could be competitive by next year.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
by msm2 on Jan 20, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's the beauty of Favors
you still get to surround him with young talent, you just have to make the right pick. The longest this rebuilding process will take is until 2012, but then we will have an exciting team on the court, even if it is not championship ready. I ’de rather be a Clippers fan than a Mavericks fan
this
Tim, you need to relax.
It’d be a shame to think that you’re thinking about jumping ship
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think I can keep up my super fan status. I tell you what, no chance that I re-up my League pass next year that’s for sure.
Im moving to LA, new job, tons of work… cant come into work depressed from all the losing.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
How many young guys are we watching develop?
other than Favors?
Graham? Outlaw? Harris? They are in the rotation….we know what they are already.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
who said anything about outlaw, harris or graham
theres morrow, farmar, favors, d-james, uzoh, in some ways humphries, he is only 25 though I think he’s probably fairly developed. Then there’s guys from draft picks, possible guys we could acquire in trades. Hell even Vujacic is only 26 and has never gotten consistent playing time, and he’s shown so far he can be a decent rotation player when he does get it.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
All of those guys other than Favors
are role players. You dont need to develop role players- they are available all of the time. You need to develop stars or key components to a championship team.
Favors is definitely worth watching, so is James if hes healthy. Obviously Lopez as well hes very young.
Farmar is a backup PG, Uzoh- LOL, Hump playing for a contract. Vujacic hard nosed but as you saw for the Lakers a 10th or 11th man on a championship team.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
really what role players are available all the time?
what exactly do you need to develop? Where guys like Gallo, Fields, Chandler and Felton available all the time? If so why don’t we have them? And just having decent role players can make you a 40 win team, our problem is we haven’t had any talent. And why is Uzoh an LOL, because he’s not a big name, he’s played well and showed significant upside. Do you only think players matter if someone else tells you they do or if you hear their name on ESPN? It sounds like you just want to be negative no matter what happens.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
also this comes back to the whole people
wanting everything overnight, it takes time to build, developing role players is just one step, maybe if we develop some we can trade some of them for players without having to send everything and the kitchen sink.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
totally forgot about Lopez though he's been heading in the wrong direction
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
he may benefit from a lockout...
he needs to size up still
and work on his game.
but i think he has some improving to do
Brook shouldn't size up much more...
That doesn’t seem like his game anyways. He’s too good of a shooter for a 7-footer to let that aspect of his game go to waste.
He should probably work on defense, rebounding, and speed/agility. Those will help him a lot more than bulk and mass at this point.
Go into a Coma
Or watch the Knicks, they will be good.
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I erased last season for memory
And this is just year 1 of the Proky era.
Either way we are going to double last year’s win total.
And hopefully double again next year.
Meanwhile, you are just realizing what picks we have now?
by Jack Handy Jr on Jan 20, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I am not sure that we are 100% out of the Melo chase
Until we hear a serious trade scenario involving both Devin and Murphy does anyone believe that if Denver cams back and said ok same deal but you can keep favors (which if we add DJames and the 3rd pick is still better than anything else they can get) that the nets would say no?
I am also hoping for that scenario
Official Member of the "DO NOT ABUSE BROOK LOPEZ" Movement
There will be no "Melo Chase"
Only a “Billy King Chase”, with Ujiri chasing Billy King.
Billy King is no longer authorized to make a Melo deal.
Nuggets would have to put their request in writing this time, for Billy to take to Proky.
I don’t expect any begging for another 2 weeks, after Nugget work up their best offers.
Still, it is Favors who Nuggets want.
PS: What happened to the .tinypic from yesterday, showing a Young Ujiri crying like a baby? It seems to have been changed?
Dude, the Melo deal is finished
Not happening. You’ll see when Murphy is traded that we are officially done. He’s not coming and never was.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
i hope you're right
but i can’t shake the feeling that its not over…
did anyone catch the Billy King interview just now on 660AM WFAN?
Start tweeting Howard. You'll beat the rush and plant seeds.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
Wondering if I should sell my Nets/Heat tickets
I’ve been against the trade from day 1, but I’ll admit it would’ve been nice to see Melo out there with LeBron & Co.
Just me
or does Proky always look like he just finished chainsawing some poor guy to pieces before wiping the splatter off his face & taking the podium?
that guy had it coming
haha, no i agree. he’s got that stone cold, emotionless expression. even during the game, he would show his excitement for 2 seconds, and return right back to a blank stare. its almost scary. imagine negotiating a deal with THAT starring back at you
Still not the scariest-looking owner in sports...
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
He wants to hire you as the next head coach of the Raiders.
But regardless of how you do, he’ll still fire you at the end of the season.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Although
Proky may be the scariest-looking owner alive, since Al Davis is clearly a reanimated corpse.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
he's got lifeless eyes
black eyes. like a doll’s eyes.
by shane gayle on Jan 20, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
excellent!
Sometimes that shark he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. And, you know, the thing about a shark… he’s got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll’s eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn’t seem to be living… until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then… ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin’. The ocean turns red, and despite all the poundin’ and the hollerin’, they all come in and they… rip you to pieces.
He just came from a 9.5 hrs flight
probably never had a shower since leaving Moscow.
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
Chooo Chooo ... all aboard!
Can this really be possible or just a typo ?
Colin Stephenson:
“Devin Harris said he didn’t find out owner Mikhail Prokhorov had called off the Nets’ pursuit of a trade for Carmelo Anthony until seconds before he was to go on television for the postgame interview on Wednesday night.”
How can this be true? Favors said he knew before the game yesterday, but Devin didn’t know unti after the game (postgame interview) ?
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Hard to believe
There would have been talk about it all over the locker room. Favors did comment on it before the game
by Rodney Buford on Jan 20, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I saw his postgame courtside interview
and I find it hard to believe that he wouldn’t have said something about it right there. Especially since he was asked about it.
all of these people
are full of hot air
Official Member of the "Travis OutLOL Society". 5 years, 35 Million Dollars worth of lulz.
"Proky puffing out his chest after 3 months of groveling does little to make us not look stupid. Both teams look ridiculous."- JohnfromLongIsland, speaking on the embarrassing actions of the Nets Front Office.
by MrDollarBills on Jan 20, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
There's no way
So we’re supposed to believe that right after the buzzer sounded someone ran up to Harris and said, “By the way, we’re not trading for Melo!”
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I have heard the expression 'being out of the loop'
but this takes the cake.
Our captain and PG did not know that the trade, which would of involved him directly, did not know about it being called off, until after the game !
I don’t think Devin will be with us much longer. In fact I think he has already checked out…LOL
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
funny enough, i got the same impression
from his interview.
it was the first time i thought, ‘this dude checked out’
imagine something extremely witty here
Net Income..
Your whole story was great but you have one mistake. He’s not the richest owner in all sports let alone the NBA. Paul Allen (Portland) is worth around $25 billion compared to $14 billion of Prokhorov.
i think there are several reports on their wealth...
and the numbers aren’t the same (at least in prokhorov’s case). i thought Allen was worth $10 bil… mere chump change!
yeah I thought Allen's networth took a major hit the last 2-3 years
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
like someone else said he's playing through plantar fasciitis
not that it matters because he’s obviously untouchable but that’s going to have a major effect on anyone’s game.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
Yup, that's a major concern in Sac town
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
Chooo Chooo ... all aboard!
Yes....I will take Tyreke Evans in a heartbeat
but hes not on the block.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
obviously yes
I am VERY against Lebron, completely ignoring the stats. He ruins teams, despite what his great stats say. I dont care what anyone says, he ruins teams. - anonymous nets fan
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 20, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
There's only one way to go...
And that’s up…
We’re rebuilding, and now that this Melo-mess is hopefully behind us. Maybe the team can finally focus on basketball. We’ve essentially lost half season because of Melo-drama. If last night’s game was a sign of things to come, then I say wait. Let see how team plays in the second half. Hopefully Marrow and D james can get healthy soon
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t make moves (Troy Murphy obviously) but I’ve felt that Avery hasn’t had real chance to really to coach the team the way he wanted and Billy King hasn’t been able evaluate the team as he’s wanted, because it was always assumed that roster was going to be different by now and they would have to start over.
Section 2 @ the Rock
yes
METS JETS NETS LAKERS
Adam Morrison got his team multiple championships barely trying, if that's not a great player...I don't know who is.
by YoungMoney24 on Jan 20, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
I just caught Avery's post game press conference on YES website...
and he said something that sounded odd (LOL) .
He said that he and management stand 100% behind the owner.
Isn’t it supposed to be the other way around ? No wonder they call Avery the “Little General”.
Avery > Proky ?
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
all houston has to do is make the eight seed(3 games back right now)
and thats a top 5 pick, a 17/18 pick, and the late 20’s laker pick. wooh perry jones, brandin knight, lacedarius dunn and in the 2nd round kieth benson or jajuan johnson to go with favors/lopez/hump/morrow/harris/sasha/farmar. i can dig that
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 20, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions
Good article by Stein here
Proky definitely screwed the Nuggets before Melo could screw him
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Nuggets-110120
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
we'll know whether or not to trust Prokhorov's word
But it’s an undeniable blow for them, too, to get hit with this now … if New Jersey really does have the discipline and pride to suddenly bow out of the Melo Sweepstakes with 30-odd days to go before the trade deadline — and stay out.
i hope we stay out.
I don't believe Prokohoro... Especially b/c I saw him holding up this sign at the game last night
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 20, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions
who is this mysterious girl?
she’s going places in life.
by shane gayle on Jan 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
While it may not be popular – I don’t see the point of dealing for Wallace or Ellis and taking on big contract dollars when we are a lottery team regardless.
I think the smart trade would be to help facilitate the Knicks getting Carmelo and look to pick up Fields as our starting 2 guard with Morrow as our shooter off the bench. Frees up cap space, dumps Petro, turns Murphy into something of value and doesn’t kill our future flexibility and lets us add a piece to our young nucleus. I posted the details in a fan post this morning. Love or hate the idea of helping the Knicks get Melo – it is probably the most beneficial trade that we are going to see for the Nets.
Did you really just suggest
helping the KNICKS get Melo so we can get Feilds as our starting SG?
That has to be the worst suggestion i’ve ever read on this site.
Why don’t we just drop a nuke on the barclays center?
yeah this I don't get
I like Fields, but he’s no where near good enough for that to make any sense.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
Knicks are going to get Carmelo one way or another. Getting Fields and more cap relief for Murphy and dumping Petro is about the best the Nets are going to get for Murphy.
You know how much trouble Knicks have had dealing Curry expiring contract??? Not really sure why anyone thinks Murphy is such a valuable piece. He is a end of the bench player at this point. Horrible hands. Condtioning not there. And his shot didn’t fall all year. No GM is going to believe he is a missing piece and worth taking that contract on to help team win. His value is as an expiring deal and nothing more. You would rather take back Rip Hamilton than a young, cheap SG like FIelds? That makes no sense for the way this team is composed.
our cap space will allow us to sign someone
as well as 12 draft picks over the next three years. would this team really “help” the knicks get melo? do they need help? denver lost a ton of leverage. if melo gets to free agency, he’s a knick. even with a 4 month rental to houston, dallas, orlando, he’s still a knick
the knicks don't need help
Melo and the Nuggets did all of that.
Plus Proky help too.
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know how proky helped...
it was going to happen. it happened. proky wanted him, but that didnt help the inevitable
Billy King
was just on with Evan & Joe—he summarily put the kibosh on a deal with the Knicks. Rightly so.
After a day of this
I agree with many various people but Dollar Bill in particular.
I like the move by Proky but as Woj and many people said before it should not had come to a press conference and all honesty Billy King was thrown under the bus.
The deal should have been cut the moment Melo had a preferred team.
No way was he coming to Jersey when the Knicks were his top option.
Plus if the only way you get Melo to become a Nets is by using money then you don’t really have him.
It’s like a husband’s wife who dreams about screwing the pool boy but the husband uses his money and what he can give to her as a means to keep her. So even though she is with you she is still fantasizing about the pool boy.
The deal is dead though.
Denver will be forced to deal with the Knicks. I said it back in August and will play out this way. You in a way can thank Proky for that as well.
Denver has no choice but to make Melo the bad guy.
1. No matter what they get it will not be the same as the what the Nets were offering.
2. They will do the same thing Dan Gilbert did make it seem like Melo wouldn’t sign with the Nets that he was keeping them hostage. So in the end when reporters ask, when fans ask “was this the best deal out there.”
The Nuggets will say it’s the only deal. Melo would only sign off with the Knicks.
This way the fans angers are now shifted from the ammatures in Denver’s FO to the "spoiled, selfish, and controlling " super star that abandon them for another team.
We will soon hear how Melo quited on his team and etc etc.
I figure he would be a Knick but did not predict it would happen in this fashion.
As for the Nets. I don’t know if there is a perfect player you trade for.
Cap Space means nothing to this team. No one wants to come here.
Our draft history is awful with two exceptions. You can mention the Spurs all you want but unless you have the same people they have making the choices it’s useless.
The Nets are in a bad situation at the moment and maybe a while before they get out of but we won’t be as worst off as Denver. Which was never an attraction for big time free agents even while Melo was there.
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST reply actions
I still don't understand how Billy was "thrown under the bus"?
Billy was informed ahead of time, as was Avery (thus the reason he said “speak to Prokhorov tonight for answers about that situation”).
Billy said today on WFAN that he was told that day, not finding out “shocked” during the press conference, and that it was something they had talked about before.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
Proky was
basically saying he is not happy with how negotiations have gone.
To be honest I said this many times. The Nets had no business talking to Melo.
Melo situation resemble that of KG the only difference was KG was looking for the right situation.
Melo on the other hand was looking at a particular team.
KG admitted he looked at various teams Nets included because VC was a free agent at the time. The point KG would have went to clippers had they had the right ensemble of players. While Melo wanted the Knicks
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he wasn't happy with the negotiations, but that had nothing to do with King
King did what he could, under direction from Prokhorov! He basically said the Nuggets are idiots for dragging this out, and now we’re gone.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
agreed
Billy wasn’t thrown under the bus, and he made Denver look bad during his portion of the press conference if you saw the whole thing.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 20, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know anything anymore but i just love the
screwing the pool boy reference
imagine something extremely witty here
also, i'd like to clarify your "nets are in a bad situation" comment
there only in a bad situation if they/we are expecting them to be contenders this year or next year.
they are in a very good situation from every standpoint you can name, if you are looking for steady year to year improvement with the opportunity/assets to make a big splash. remember, just because there are more popular destinations to play at the moment, doesn’t mean anything unless those players have the cap room/assets to land people.
imagine something extremely witty here
What is everyone's feeling?
Would you like a trade that significantly improves the team (like getting an Ellis, Wallace, Mayo, Miller) or just stick with what we have and take a nose dive for yet another lottery pick?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
we SHOULD win the lottery this year
but it always take luck to rebuild with the draft. there’s skill involved, but we do need to get lucky.
i don’t think we should sign any $8-10 million/year guys until we see what the draft(s) get us
thats why this year seems more likely
if we won the lottery last year, i think we’d be a completely different team right now.
like, john wall and lebron james different
how many
people think that prohky has real carrier pigeons? lol i believe he has one somewhere
by John Geneta on Jan 20, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
trade for young talent…someone under 25 that would have a bigger role with the nets.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
this is we don't know for sure
If Ellis can be had and etc etc.
Honestly I think our hopes are way too up.
No one expected Lebron Wade or Bosh to be a Net but did anyone really suspect a year ago.
Travis Outlaw would be our biggest signing.
I think what ever we get for Murphy will be well below everyone expectations. Especially now people know the Nets are desperate.
The Nets have to show their fans something.
You just crapped out of Melo situation and all you have to show is another lost season and more promises.
I’m not expecting much
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree, the Nets are not desperate
They WERE for Melo, but they don’t need to “show something” at all. They can rebuild the way they’ve talked about.
I think you are looking at this as a disappointed fan.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
Not disappointed at all.
In order to be disappointed you had to have expectations. Many times my post have spoken against the Nets will not land Melo and will not draw big free agents.
I look at it from the outside.
I see a team that desperately wanted/needs a big name for their new arena.
I see a team that was taken for a ride by Melo and Nuggets since September.
I see a team that is very concern that they could fall even more in the shadows of the Knicks before their arena even opens.
I see a team that said they had a plan but abandon those plans when a player of high value was available and because of their situation I see it happening again.
Netincome has said it’s all about Brooklyn. I believe him. I believe him that proky needs something that can put butts in the seat and etc because if he doesn’t he has nothing.
I live in Houston. When the Oliers left for Tennessee it was because many Texas football fans are Dallas Cowboys fans.
Houston Texans come sure they draw attention and some fans are hype but they still fell under the shadow of the Cowboys.
Maybe that changes if Houston ever gets in the playoffs but one thing for sure. Things got worse once the cowboys start winning and making the playoffs again
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
my man
keep those expectations low, like me. i’m giddy that we’re on a 1 game winning streak.
by shane gayle on Jan 20, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
not low but realistic
I don’t expect to get blood from a turnip.
I don’t expect the Nets to turn to a playoff team for another 2 or 3 years
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe we will win the Lottery this year and finally get a Franchise Stud.....
And to think………..We were willing to give that up for Baby anthony……I mean with all the picks that we have and a real scouting team now , we can possibly get a Durant and a Westbrook in just “2011”…….
I would sign up for Ellis in a second.
Mayo for the right price.
iffy on Wallace and HELL NO to Iguodala if that comes up.
Why not both?
I dont think we have to give up our lottery pick this year to acquire an Ellis.
Mayo- a big no thanks. Wallace doesnt do anything for me based on where we are today- if we were closer I would be in. Miller- is that Andre Miller- he doesnt fit in with a rebuilding franchise.
We have 5 1st rounders in the next 2 years- unless a star is coming back no way we need to get rid of them. See you in the lottery again in 2011.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
I sort of want a combination of the two. I want to trade players like Harris and Morrow for younger, still developing talent. People like Jrue Holiday, Gordon Hayward, Nico Batum, Al Farouq Aminu, Xavier Henry, Paul George.
With a young team still in development, we would still have room for and a big need to build through the draft.
Morrow is only 23
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
I'd be happy with
some guys who actually want to be on the team and give their best every night. But that’s probably naive.
by Dr. Goodtimes on Jan 20, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Just tweeted this to Woj
Who was far too harsh on the Nets. Check this out:
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Column: Bailing on ’Melo, Prokhorov takes place in long illustrious history of Nets grandstanders and goofballs. http://tinyurl.com/4qgydt7
So I said:
@WojYahooNBA What history of grandstanders/goofballs? Why so much venom toward Nets & not Nugs/Melo for their role in this tragic comedy?
Search woj tweets for mine
@chrissteeples in response to that article. Can’t copy and paste from phone
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just read a ton of them. Mostly everyone agrees w/ us about that crap article
It was ridiculously slanted and he has some serious issues with Proky.
Wasn’t he just calling Proky an idiot if he took the deal? Now that Proky has backed out, he’s an idiot grandstander???
by Anthony Perez on Jan 20, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
He does have one piece of credibility with that article
He knows a thing or two about grandstanding. Amidst all of his solid reporting, he usually spouts off a verbose and hyperbolic rant every month slamming someone.
by Anthony Perez on Jan 20, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
When news is slow
Slander is the way to go
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought money was melo's top choice.
In fact, I never saw a quote with him saying the Knicks were number 1.
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
THIS....
Let it go….Anthony is a spoiled jerk………With his attitude he will never win a ring……We will rebuild with young talent…The End…..
Chill?
Lmao the forbidden word around here.
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
proky speaks!
http://twitter.com/#!/TheProkhorov/status/28129039575158785
Feels like an Arbys day #da!
I'm just relieved its all over
now the knicks and their players get to deal with constant trade speculation. The media will talk about this deal more than the teams will. They could lose their 5th straight in San Antonio tomorrow. And now I can allow myself to get attached to Favors as a fan.
I don't think he is going anywhere
Melo was a special deal. Favors is a keeper.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 20, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
He was mentioned in deals for granger
And cp3 during preseason
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't give him up for granger
but I don’t really care anymore honestly. As long as he is a Net I’m happy to have him. This kid is just scratching the surface.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 20, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
for granger would be awful
and when was he mentioned?
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
Mentioned with harris
Prior to Indiana trading for collison
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ESPN will nou doubt keep pushing the Knicks
but they are still no closer to getting melo then they were 2 days ago
They actually may be further away then
2 days ago.
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
actually now the Knicks sit back and say
your move.
You trade Melo to a rental.
We get him for cheaper and don’t lose pieces.
You trade with us you will get crap back. You try any of that crap you tried with the Nets we walk away knowing Melo will come to us in the summer.
It’s a pimp move. One way or another we get what we want.
In the end the Nuggets lost and maybe melo if he doesn’t get his extension.
If I was Melo I would really look at the Knicks side ways.
They are willing to let you lose money and do what’s best for them. At least the Nets wanted to make sure you got paid.
The Knicks on the other hand makes no difference to them.
They are actually hoping Denver just trades you to be a rental
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
unless it is to the lakers
I really doubt Melo leaving LA for the Knicks
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt he would chose Ny over the lakers as a FA also. Lakers would need to get rid of artest though
by Rodney Buford on Jan 20, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
You know if I'm the Lakers I do this deal
In all honesty. Kobe has said he hardly practices and his knee is nearly bone on bone.
Melo comes in and sooner or later. You are the new face of the franchise that will still have Pau Gasol.
Also this. If a championship is important.
The lakers signed shaq in 96 and it took 4 years for them to produce a championship built around Shaq.
The Lakers trade Shaq and res sign Kobe in the summer of 04 and it takes them 4 years to get back to finals and 5 to win a championship.
Who else has that type of resume.
also this. Lakers has always attracted free agents. Unlike Denver and NY (well until Amare got their.)
5 years from now Gasol will be better and more productive than Amare.
Plus if the market is a huge selling point. It’s Hollywood.
As for the Lakers. You add Carmelo and you have someone who can be the face when Kobe hangs them up.
One problem when ever Kobe hangs them up Melo you will be in his shadow
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 20, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Careful. You will get flamed for
Mentioning he who shall not be named
by sour grapes on Jan 20, 2011 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4576yct
hump would move to back up center
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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why would hump move to back up center?
play landry at the 3.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
hump and favors were playing together yesterday
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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but i mean why couldnt he still back up the four?
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
especially if lopez is in at center
a front ourt of landry and lopez would struggle to break double digit rebounds combined.
I feel bad for my little brother. He walked in and saw that the score of the Nugs-Magic game was 88-89 and thought it was high scoring.
All he knows is the Nets.
by Maxyboy on Dec 14 2010
Rex Ryan lobby for championship toe ring.
Its probably safe to say
we won’t hear about a Murphy deal until it’s done. Another reason I like what Proky had to say yesterday. I bet teams won’t leak details when dealing with the Nets going forward.
whats going to happen with RIP
didnt he say he thinks hes played his last game with detroit? are they going to work him back into the rotation now?
I'd like to see Rip and Prince go to the Clippers...
for Kaman, Butler and Gomes.
I think it would make the Clippers an interesting team out West.
Can we pull a guard from Toronto
Calderon, Bayless and/or DeRozan from Toronto.
I would be willing to send Harris for Calderon. check out his last few games.
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January 20, 2011 12:30 PM
Billy King: Sounding exhausting, King reiterates, “That’s it. We’re done.”
Stefan Bondy
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
Thanks
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by strange-brew on Jan 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
If Stefan is a professional writer, he should fix his grammar before publication
Dear Mr. Prokhorov: While I blame you for letting the Melo trade process get to a point where it was ruining your current basketball team, I commend you for at least having enough sense to stop the bleeding. Now, hopefully you've learned from this experience and won't repeat the same mistake(s) in the future.
Stay the course
Lopez and Favors are a great pair. Trade Murphy + Harris + a pick or two in a three way for a good player, preferably a scorer on the wing. High lottery pick this year. We have draft lottery karma saved up — time to use it on Kyrie Irving.
I’m bullish about our future.
Dear Mr. Prokhorov: While I blame you for letting the Melo trade process get to a point where it was ruining your current basketball team, I commend you for at least having enough sense to stop the bleeding. Now, hopefully you've learned from this experience and won't repeat the same mistake(s) in the future.
We don't have a guarantee that we'll pick high enough to get Irving though
Wouldn’t it be better to wait and see on that first and then trade Harris if we do get Irving ? Why take on a different PG’s salary when it might be harder to move them than Harris if we get lucky enough to get Irving? Or what if we don’t get Irving and we’re stuck with Miller , Calderon , or Mo. Williams?
I don’t see the big rush on shipping him out at the moment. The rest of this season should be about the young players getting accustomed to the NBA , the system and coaching staff , and each other.
I don’t exactly know what to do with Murphy. If a team is looking to dump a well known player for Murphy and a pick , we had better be sure he’s our guy that can make a difference. – especially if he’s around a 10-13 million dollar contract with multiple years.
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by strange-brew on Jan 20, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm
STEIN_LINE_HQ Just filed to ESPN.com: Raptors close to buyout of sharpshooter Peja Stojakovic. Buyout scheduled to be completed later today. Link to come
Would you sign him as a bench player?
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
he’ll go to a contender
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
remember when Avery was asked...
…what his overall feeling was about his squad when the season started? He said to wait til after 20+ games or so. The outcome of the first 20 was to be expected since the team was pretty new and trying to gel.
So what about the last 20 games? How do you judge it when there was that dark cloud hanging over the team for so long?
so will billy trade wit some other team or wont at all and just wait till draft and free agency??
really would’ve loved to get Oj MAyo!
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Jan 20, 2011 1:12 PM EST reply actions
i dont know, we still need someone who can score in bunches and in crunchtime whoever we get can produce
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Jan 20, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
and OJ MAYO WOULD BE PERFECT
??
Mayo
T Jones
Favors
Lopez
Bench: Ammo, Farmer, Outlaw, Sasha, etc
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Jan 20, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
OJ Mayo is overrated
He thinks hes better than what he is.
Nets 2011- looking forward to the lottery- again
NI is Billy King still going to trade for a scorer such as Oj Mayo?? or hes done dealing?
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Jan 20, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions
no way they are done dealing
but what do they get for Murphy? A long term contract that interferes with their pursuit of Chris Paul or Dwight Howard? A troubled player with an expiring like his?
will we get a scorer or a good player before the deadline, can u name some possible trades that might happen?? NI
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Jan 20, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Gerald Wallace? Danny Granger? Andrei Kirilenko?
but in the first two cases, they have long and onerous contracts and in the third, I cant see Utah giving him up for Murphy and someone else.
Then, there’s Luke Ridnour if youre planning on dumping Harris.
I’d say Iguodala, but no way the 76ers trade with the Nets…not on that scale.
im a mayo fan but im a true nets fan though also lol. So no way we can get Mayo??
Never give up on something, you can't go on a day without thinking bout it....
by Kingsley King Lin on Jan 20, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
agree...
I don’t think Nets will rush into a multi-year deal for Murphy. The cap space with the upcoming CBA is somewhat important if we’re going the young-draft-rebuilding route. It’s also important if they hope to land a “star” before 2012.
Maybe a two-year contract player that would be an expiring contract for next season. A deal involving 1 expiring with 1 reasonable young contract may also be possible. If I recall, we received Humphries, Nachbar, type players this way.
by BKNfastbreak on Jan 20, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nets-Knicks
we trade Murphy, Lakers pick
Get Eddy Curry :) and Knicks pick..
move up 10 spots in the draft or so…
Been lurking these last few days...
Wow, it’s been a ride. Couldn’t stop myself from checking in on this Melo deal every few hours.
Just my thoughts:
Avery – I think he’s doing a C+ job so far. His rotation lacks creativity (but on the other hand, at least he’s consistent with his sets) and they only run a few basic plays that I can discern. Avery isn’t the problem here, in my opinion. I feel that the real problem is the lack of vocal veteran leadership on the player side; no one to steady the ship on the court for them and no one to bring the fire and energy when needed. I think he’d be a B+/A- coach with one or two veteran leaders on the court (Devin is not a veteran leader).
Brook – The problem with Brook is his 1) inconsistency, 2) lack of effort on the boards, and 3) a total lack of maturity. Brook has all of the physical tools, but lacks the mental fortitude to get it done. This is something that will develop with time (and it develops faster with winning, I think) but one has to consider that he hasn’t had a steady, veteran leader here guiding him and acting as a role model this whole time. Brook simply can’t develop any further without a strong veteran presence on this team to show him how to be a leader and a man.
Devin – Devin gets too much heat from many of you folks. His game is what it is; he’ll never be a Jason Kidd or a Steve Nash. He’s not an elite point guard in either his scoring, defense, or his court leadership. That said, he’s not a terrible PG either. He’s shown flashes and what needs to be able to do is to pull his game together and string some solid outings together and get that confidence back. Remember when he was first traded to the Nets from Dallas? He was aggressive as hell. It’s hard to imagine a situation where we trade him and get back equal or better value at the PG position.
Outlaw – The man’s offensive game is in the gutter. Flat out terrible. THAT SAID, what I like about Outlaw so far: 1) he hasn’t been a bad influence in the locker room it seems and he hasn’t been a distraction publicly – in other words, no whining from him, 2) it’s not that he hasn’t been giving effort on the court – he’s been working on his rebounding and his numbers have been positive so I give him that. He was definitely overpaid, but that’s in the past now. The question is how we can extract the most value from him now. As bad a deal as he’s been, I think he’s been a professional during this long rut he’s been in. There’s a lot to be said for that.
Hump – Dude is playing out of his mind. I think he’s the reason that Troy Murphy has been relegated to the pine (Troy’s injury didn’t help him either). Hump has been fantastic and just the type of gritty rebounder that a winning team needs (if we get there). I’d keep him around next year if he wants to stay, but I’d caution against overpaying him. One problem I see in the games — pretty consistently — is that the guards on this team are terrible at running screen and rolls. Hump (and Favors for that matter) is open going to the basket more often than not and the guards are terrible at making the delivery. It’s been getting better lately, but even in last nights game there were some terrible, overthrown passes or flat out missed opportunities for easy dunks or layups. Avery needs to put some more screen/roll or baseline screens into their repertoire and get these guys more easy dunks.
Favors – This kid has been excellent. By all accounts, despite the turmoil around him, we’ve hardly heard a peep out of him. When given minutes, he’s mostly worked hard and earned the respect of coaches and fans defensively and offensively. Definitely needs to clean up his defense and avoid fouling so much, but it’s expected of a rook. He needs an attitude adjustment a la Blake Griffin; he seems too relaxed out there (as do most of the Nets, actually) – where’s the spark? The fire? Time will tell and I hope we keep him around. His body could use a bit of work this off season and more practice and experience could yield a superb big man in a few years.
Graham – As I commented earlier, I don’t think Avery is creative enough with his personnel. Why is Graham getting any minutes at all? Why not start Sasha instead and bring Farmar off the bench?
Favors+Hump – While we’re on that topic, I was wondering last night why we don’t see more Favors+Hump lineup. With either of them at the 5. Undersized on defense, but they both seem to be better rebounders than Brook and they both run the court well. This combo would be great for some fast paced spurts to change up the tempo. Would love to see this combo more when Brook is on the bench.
Picks – I say we keep them. No point in trading for pieces that don’t fit just for the sake of making changes now. Who knows? They may be valuable in trading up in future drafts or perhaps a better player comes on the market that’s a better fit for this team. No point in trying to trade for assets that don’t fit into the bigger picture.
Morrow is injured and so is James. How can you be creative with your rotations? He had Harris , Farmar , and Sasha out there last night together , what more can one do? Favors and Hump were together as well.
How about this for creativity?
Hump – C
Outlaw – PF
Graham – SF
Uzoh – SG
Sasha – PG
or
Lopez – C
Petro – PF
Hump – SF
Outlaw – SG
Farmar – PG
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by strange-brew on Jan 20, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking smaller, more athletic
That’s why I mention Hump+Favors in a second unit rotation. Change the tempo and focus more on defense → rebound → fast break.
agree
want to see more Favors + Hump on the court at the same time. Brook’s production goes down when he plays too many minutes, and defensively I think these two can handle the job.
by BKNfastbreak on Jan 20, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
this is a good trade
check it out:
in order for the rockets and pacers to except we would need to send a couple 1st rounders out
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4nuuxer
Knicks
We’ve got plenty of the picks that the Knicks need to turn over to Denver. Let’s package players and picks to NY for Gallo, who they won’t need, when they get Melo. Gallo is very young, and we still don’t know how good he can be, and right now, he’s much better than Outlaw or Graham. Our biggest hole is at SF, with Morrow returning. With a stable offensive scheme, and Sasha off the bench, Morrow has upside, that we started to see, before he got injured. But I’d still like to grab either Prince or Hamilton from Detroit, if we can’t get Gallo from NY. I admire Proky for saying “enough already”. Proky rules! GO NETS!
Paul from Sunny Delray Beach, Florida
Even though I should have learned a lesson from
the NO trade of Beasley for Dooling, I REFUSE to help the Knicks.
if there was a slightest remote chance I would a trade with Knicks, I wouldnt want Gallo. I would take chandler for a low pick.
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Keep the picks
Build through the draft and sign role players with the extra cash.
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