Is this the most embarrassed you've been as a Nets fan?
by NJ4Life on Jan 17, 2011 10:53 PM EST
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PrintWe sold Dr. J to yield to territorial demands of the Knicks. Larry Brown left us to go coach Kansas mid-season. We selected Dennis Hopson in '87 over the likes of Pippen, Reggie, and KJ. "All Alone 33". Jayson Williams. Bruce Ratner. Every player Rod Thorn drafted between '02 and '09 sans Krstic and Lopez. The Mourning fiasco. The Migraine. 12 wins.
Somehow, I cannot think of a time I was more frustrated with and embarrassed by this franchise than right now. The 'Melo Drama has blatantly revealed the identity of our team, organization, ownership, and fanbase. Everything that is wrong with us has culminated in the past week or so. We're a team on the move, with an unfinished arena, and we're not even guaranteed a legitimate fanbase once the move is completed. We don't have the names to fill seats or sell jerseys. Everyone knows you can get Nets tickets for cents on the dollar.
Our ownership group has thus far failed to improve the team in anyway noticeable in the standings.As we're all aware, management is desperate get this deal done. We've submitted to every whim that Denver has had. We're willing to give it all up, because everyone from the coach to management to the marketing team to ownership knows this franchise will continue to struggle without a star. Our team has been playing like they are waiting for something to happen. I don't blame them, but the very product that is trying to be salvaged is being destroyed by this trade.
The team I fell in love with early this decade is long gone. I've accepted that. No longer are we a tough, defensive-minded squad. No longer are we a dominant franchise where players are committed to winning championships. No longer are we "the little engine that could" from the "other" side of the river. Heck, in two years we might not even be the Nets any more. It's been a long, hard fall, a downward spiral which is now getting out of control. Frankly, I'm embarrassed.
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dude…ur not alone. This is ridiculous. My name is Blueprint for Greatness – but our team is the Blueprint for Disaster…literally. Very embarrassing. The Nets organization is a joke. We still gotta stand by them tho as difficult as they make it. KEEP THE FAITH man haha
by BLUEPRINT.FOR.GREATNESS on Jan 17, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions
Don't forget Micheal Ray getting banned...
“Whoop De Damn Doo” and getting faked out on drafting Kobe. But, yeah, this is the first time that I’ve seen the team intentionally humiliate itself. It really looks like the bottom.
Rejecting unfalsifiable theories since... for a while now.
by calling all toasters on Jan 17, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions
forfeiting a playoff game because Commack Arena was a disaster
I forgot about that… before my time. But even that has a sort of early-ABA charm. This has all the charmlessness of the current NBA.
Rejecting unfalsifiable theories since... for a while now.
by calling all toasters on Jan 18, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
i agree in that I am embarrassed for our team right now. The front office has not handled this situation the right way. Yet, I will always love this team. They could go 2-80, and I would still be sitting in front of my TV watching every game. We SUCKED until we pulled off the Jason Kidd trade. We then went to the playoffs for what, 7 or 8 straight years? All I can say to you is stay tough, you’re not alone, and we WILL get through this whole ordeal, whether it takes one more week, one more month, or another 2 years.
things will get better once this ends, we can focus on developing players and through draft if it falls through
also there are some good players out there in draft and in free agency or trades if we dont get melo plus morrow and james is coming back
Yup.
I cannot wait for this to all be over, one way or the other. I obviously want Melo on the Nets, but at this point, it doesn’t seem likely. Let’s just all move on.
The only bad thing is, no matter what happens, we’re going to have to trade Harris before the deadline. He does not want to be on this team anymore.
I'm just FRUSTRATED!!
I know I may have said some things that I didn’t meant, but this franchise has really let me down where I’ve come to the point that I don’t know what to do about them. I’ll still support them because that’s what a TRUE fan does. At the same time, I’m going to let reality sink in and reality says that the Nets STINK!! WHEN the Melo trade falls through (and I believe it will), the Nets need to move to Plan B and look to acquire other talent that may be available such as Gerald Wallace, OJ Mayo, Andre Iguodala, etc. I just want some MUCH NEEDED upgrades at Small Forward and Shooting Guard because Outlaw and Graham/Morrow are NOT the answers at those spots. If we have to suffer Favors’ growing pains, we shouldn’t have to suffer with 2 more terrible options in the starting lineup either.
We are missing the Bigger Picture.......who cares if we are embarrassed now!
While I respect your opinion and can understand it to an extent………most here are missing the bigger picture. Sure we look like laughingstocks now, yet if you don’t continue the pursuit no matter what the current cost you will be reminded of how much a laughingstock we are for years to come when Melo is heping the Knicks make it to the FInals with Stoudemire and company……..then you will rue that we did not do everything we could and then some to bring Melo to Brooklyn. Melo is not the guy who will bring us a championship alone and it will still require bringing in additional pieces, yet he can be the guy we pursued and got which kept the Knicks from bring a Championship to NY.
Pure mindless speculation.
We are not winning a Championship with Melo, Lopez, Rip, Chauncey, and Renaldo Balkman. This deal needs to die, and fast, so the Nets can get back to making basketball decisions. The overtly self-conscious 24/7 marketing mode that the front office is in is pathetic. Proky clearly has no idea what he is doing. We care that we are embarrassed as real Nets fans who take pride in our organization. This is the worst it has ever been and it is 100% because of Prokhorov (and if NI posts about how much money he has shelled out for this team I am going to scream! Who cares? He is still seen as a league-wide joke, all flash and zero substance). This man needs to check his brazen arrogance and actually read a paper. Learn to use the internet dude, that thing to your right may be called a mouse but don’t worry, it won’t bite you!
by BrooklynNets on Jan 18, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please explain to me what owner in the history of professional sports ever took a team he just acquired about a calendar year ago, and turned them into a championship team overnight??? It doesn’t happen that way bro.
While I will agree Melo,Rip, Chauncey may not be a chip team, you have to see the bigger goal of what having Melo does. In this day and age, star power lures other star talent. Melo in a Nets uni almost positively assures Cp3 in a Nets uni for the start of Brooklyn, and dare I even say a Lopez for Dwight swap. Notice how the scenarios can continue to BUILD UP with Melo, than hoping that any of those draft picks we have is the next LeBron or Durant. Because lets face it, the Nets haven’t had a solid draft in quite some time. Last good panned out pick was Lopez himself, everyone else…very suspect for the most part.
Again pure mindless speculation.
Name one instance beyond Miami were free agents flocked together to make a super-team? You can’t. The Miami model has not yet proven to be a trend, nor is it a strategy that I am psyched for the Nets to follow.
I am not opposed to the Melo trade, I am opposed to Prokhorov’s desperation undermining our negotiating stance. You want Favors and two high draft picks when nobody has nearly as good a package? Sure, here you go! What, you want Devin Harris, a former All-Star pg as well? OK! Oh, now you need Morrow and James? Well, in for a penny… Now you need us to take on an awful contract? Yeah, guess we have to do that too… RI-FREAKIN-DICULOUS.
Anyone who thinks that gutting the team for Melo is putting us in a better BASKETBALL position than Favors, Harris, Picks, and whatever we can salvage from Murph’s expiring contract is batty. Yes, it would be a better marketing decision but it would not improve the long-term prospects of this franchise. In fact, it would mean we would have to cater to Anthony and his team of agents whenever they got impatient. Good franchises don’t do these things, but we have an owner that doesn’t know squat about the business he is investing in and won’t do any reading to relieve his ignorance!
by BrooklynNets on Jan 18, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
and it’s mindless speculation to think Favors/Morrow/James +those picks get us anywhere either. Im not ok with trading Devin, cuz I think he gets a terrible rap from Nets fans…but there hasn’t been a game, and I mean this, where I sat there and thought, “Hmm, Favors is going to be dirty.” The guy picks up the quickest four fouls I’ve ever seen on a regular basis. And minus the headcase issues with Cousins, Cousins definitely would’ve been starting on the Nets right now.
I just don’t think relying on drafted potential COMPLETELY, which minus Melo and this supposed “Plan B” King has, is the way to go…because it’s exactly as you said “pure mindless speculation” that those picks amount to anything.
And you seem knowledgeable, so you see that its more a marketing move than a “10yr long term solution” (assuming he doesn’t extend).
And you’re right, i cannot name other super-teams, but that doesn’t mean they don’t talk about it already happening. “The Biggest Free Agency in Sports History” was planned 3years ago, and kept under wraps the entire time. It may be “mindless speculation” to think others are forming, but it works both ways to think other players aren’t thinking it. If Miami somehow wins it all this year, you better believe others are going to do the same.
and it definitely be argued that the HOF Trio in Boston, is a “super-team.” KG got out of Minny, and everyone knows Ray was just itching to get out of Seattle, and waited to see KG make the move to Boston first, then got the trade he wanted.
Yeah
but Boston was able to build that team organically through some smart trades. You could argue that the combined value of both those trades (i.e. Jefferson, the rights to draft Green, Delonte West, Szczerbiak, and spare parts) is less than what the Nets will give up for Melo. That is not a smart move. The Nets would have NOTHING for future trades.
I am not saying that holding on to the young players and draft picks is a sure thing. A key distinction, however, is that the Nets will be beholden to Anthony should this deal go through. If they retain their current track, they will have the ability (and most likely more desirable assets) to make other moves. And they will also be in a less desperate position to make those moves once the hysteria over Melo has died down.
But Boston ain’t no super-team, it was a different strategy entirely, and it is not a model that will be replicated any time soon.
by BrooklynNets on Jan 18, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
They may not be 3 of the top 15 players in the league like Miami…but they are 3 LOCKS for the HOF. Right now, Bron and Wade are headed in that direction, Bosh not even close. So i meant it in terms of their career. Even at their “old” ages, those guys proved you can put stars on one team, and with the right exterior piece around them, and a defensive mindset, a chip can be had
Woj summed it up great
Now it’s official…this embarrassment we’ve all been feeling is legitimate…even the great woj is talking about how we’re looking so desparate and pathetic…“like the unattractive girl that (Melo) is embarrased of telling his friends he’s seeing on the side”…OUCH…
But that’s what I’ve been saying all along.
And bending over backwards for Denver…“please sir…lemme have another”
Disguisting.
Official Member of the "Do Not Trade Derrick Favors" Movement
Stop it people. Snap back to reality. There are so many other teams who have been terrible and been through more heartache than the Nets have. The “Kidd-Era” wasn’t that long ago folks. Please stop making it seem like there is not light at the end of the tunnel. If there is no Melo coming, there are always be a Plan B. It could be sooo much worse. It’d be one thing if management was sitting back and doing absolutely nothing to make the team better, but they are. So relax, a lot of season left.
by JimmyLips on Jan 18, 2011 12:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How many other teams push themselves on a star that has to be convinced to go there?
This is like Minnesota with Rubio.
Recruiting 101. Maybe not on a professional level, but on a collegiate level and any company that goes after future talent. You have to persuade someone/sell them on what you are bringing to the table both long term and short term.
Wade pushed the HEAT on LeBron and Bosh, cuz either of those guys could have easily taken less money and did the Cleveland thing or lost more money after taxes in Toronto
it will never end
Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side. She walks past in the lunch room, tosses him a smile and ’Melo tells his friends he hasn’t an idea why she keeps doing that.--Woj
by calling all toasters on Jan 19, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
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