Woj: Prokhorov, Nets In Danger of Becoming Jokes If He Doesn't Return to New Jersey with 'Melo in Tow
by Net Income on Jan 17, 2011 7:29 PM EST
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Mikhail Prokhorov is the richest owner in all of sports, $700 million richer than Paul Allen and multiple times richer than Mark Cuban. He's written hundreds of millions of dollars worth of checks for the Nets and been seen on massive billboards and "60 Minutes" and the cover of the New York Times Sunday Magazine.
But to Adrian Wojnarowski, Prokhorov is close to being seen as a joke. In a devastating essay, Woj calls the Nets owner "desperate" and says of the 'Melo Drama, "This has become pure folly, and the Nets have allowed themselves to become the punch line." Woj writes of the trade talks, "If the Nets truly need to sell Carmelo Anthony on accepting the trade and signing a contract extension, they’re a bigger lost cause than they’ve ever been".
Moreover, he says the Nets just keep giving in their trade talks. Now, they've agreed to add three first round picks (including two of their own) and Damion James to the list of Denver's settled demands, having already agreed to give up Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow, etc., etc. " "The Nets are behaving in a most desperate way and trying too hard to validate Prokhorov’s relevance in the sport. Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side"
Meanwhile, other writers in other precincts tell similar tales of desperation on all sides of the 'Melo Drama.
- Nets’ pitch to ’Melo: swing and miss? - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- Carmelo Anthony not into Nets meeting; will it even happen? - Chris Broussard - ESPN
- ‘Melo doesn’t want to talk to Nets - Art Garcia - NBA.com
- Do the Nuggets have a Plan B in Carmelo Anthony trade saga? - Benjamin Hochman - Denver Post
- Melo and The Meeting - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone
- Nets don't have meeting planned with Anthony: source - Fred Kerber - New York Post Nets Blog
- Anthony deal remains on hold - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Moves for 'Melo? Walsh says Knicks could get two first-round picks - Marc Berman - New York Post Knicks Blog
- Walsh: I can trade for first-round pick - Mark Herrmann - New York Newsday
- Johnson does not think Nets have permission to talk to Carmelo - Colin Stephenson - Star-Ledger
- Nets coach has no knowledge of 'Melo meeting - AP
- The Nets Reportedly Expect to Meet With Carmelo, But Does Carmelo Want to Meet With the Nets? - Joe DeLessio - New York Magazine
- Carmelo Anthony Needs to Make Up His Mind - Josh Alper - NBC New York
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And face it, every damn thing Woj said in there is TRUTH.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 7:27 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
In for a penny, in for a pound !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Bafunery on Prokys behalf
What’s said is, in it no matter what. Always wondered what it felt like, to be the ugly girl.
by Zartan on Jan 18, 2011 4:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm waiting for people to call Woj xenophobic as they did Dave D.
Goodness gracious, Dave said the same thing, what, nine months ago? That guy is the best sports writer in the biz. His colleagues in the sports editorial business are just catching up.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
by BigTom on Jan 17, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
or hyperbole...
It’s that swing and miss attitude that forces teams to overpay and make bad decisions. I think they will look bad but still have the ability to grow their image. It will hurt in the short run but its not quite so dire.
Somethings up with comments.
I made this one after the one I made at 7:30, for some reason this one comes up first.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
STOP THE INSANITY NOW
WALK AWAY NOW WITH A MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT. WE WILL NOT BE PAWNS.
The game must end and the Nets must regroup and demand inner dignity. Net fans have been held hostage now with another season completely stolen from them. Wearing egg on the face will serve the Nets better than handing over everything plus more to get a guy who doesn’t want to be here. And has anyone considered three years and out. Then what?
The high profile and barrage of reports is embarrassing. Whether its coming from the Nets camp or elsewhere the constant reports have nullified anything positive coming from these trades. There are alternatives.
As for now; Get Morrow back and healthy if possible, lets see what James has, if possible. Play Outlaw as a small or trade him. Find a backup center. Petro is a nice third center. Bring in some D Leaguers. Do not sign on for Rip Hamilton for another three seasons at 12 Mil per.
Worst case scenario?
Keep picks, wait out CBA fallout. Scout Europe. Regroup. Stand Tall. Get a backbone.
Denver. God Bless. Melo. Enjoy NY.
DO NOT GIVE UP THREE ONES (payback for the Martin sign and trade).
by Marine Park Crew on Jan 17, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't have said it better
Are you in my hood?( Marine Park) or just a name.
by Zartan on Jan 18, 2011 4:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
IT HAPPENED. IT REALLY HAPPENED
Yes MP in the hood. Surprised and happy that Proky stepped up last night. Wouldn’t have gone on this long w/o the miles of separation and “no computer”. Wojo on Yahoo shows clearly why Nets have it so tough. Net hating is a media given. On the home-front. AJ might have his ear now, but still has lots to prove on his two year contract. Good pic for your post Zartan
by Marine Park Crew on Jan 20, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
would love to see Ujiri's face if...
King called him and said “you know what, forget it” lol seriously where does Denver go from there? They get a low first round pick from Knicks, eddy curry, and wilson chandler lol
by Henry Sanchez on Jan 17, 2011 7:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Woj hit the nail on the head
couldnt agree more with everything in that story
by Henry Sanchez on Jan 17, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
This article makes me believe there is a very real possibility of Melo giving us a flat out NO
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
dsilke
Official Member of the "DO NOT TRADE DERRICK FAVORS" Movement
i like your dislike
Rejecting unfalsifiable theories since... for a while now.
by calling all toasters on Jan 17, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with Woj BUT
What does he expect?? Prokhorov knows even the simplest of businesses, and knows how important it is to have a superstar in BK.
I don’t fault him for making the Nets do what they can to get him. But Denver’s front office has been absolutely behaving like an indecisive child, which has only lead to constant rumors, stories, rebuffing of stories, and a flux of anonymous sources.
Woj is still feeling the frustration that we all are with no resolution in sight, but he’s being a little critical of Prokhorov’s business. The guy has the right to run a team as he sees fit, even if it’s a lesson learned in the future.
I love Woj. But it’s a FAR different perspective when you are spending half a billion dollars on a team to make them a winner, and writing behind the luxury of a laptop passing out judgment.
I’ve never liked the idea of having to sell Anthony on the franchise. And I never believed that was ever going to be necessary. We’ll see.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
i agree eLone
going into this it was clear that we weren’t going to be looking good dealing w/ the amateurs in denver.
but really what are we being critical of proky for? consistently making maximum effort to land top flight talent? i would be pissed if he didn’t.
yeah denver keeps asking for more but on one hand you’ve got fans around screaming about how terrible every player is, and on the other they yell ‘NO! we’re adding him to the deal too!‘. don’t get it.
imagine something extremely witty here
can't call them amateurs since this team is getting played by them
by netsball on Jan 17, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+ 1
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
if we're getting played by anyone
we’re getting supremely played by leon rose and ASSociates
imagine something extremely witty here
There might be amateurs in Denver
But there are also Amateurs at the Nets
To let Denver string us along … keep asking for more … keep telling them … we are so desperate … we would do anything … what did we expect they would do?
Denver’s front office has been absolutely behaving like an indecisive child
We have been just as indecisive on our end, giving into ante up after ante up. I called for the Nets to make a side trade to put an end to the incessant ante ups, and they still haven’t done so.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
Not only Proky, but Jay-z as well.
Jayz has done nothing for this team. He’s failed the nets more than once.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
Jay-z owns 1% of the nets, what exactly do you expect from him?
by Henry Sanchez on Jan 17, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
i know…but everyone always mentions jayz. He has done NOTHING.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
by Andy. on Jan 17, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Besides the fact he's the most successful rapper alive.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
no no no
you missed interpreted it. He’s a loser when he’s associated with the Nets.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
Yeah I was agreeing with him.
Nets + Jay = loser
Jay + Rap = winner
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I expect nothing from JayZ, but apparently Prokhorov does.
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
how can he associate himself with a team with no star....no wins
most net fans dont even want to associate themselves with this team
by blazin pp face on Jan 17, 2011 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
A star rapper
cannot associate himself without a star player or star franchise.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
OK. Where’s Usher and the other big celebrity owners? They don’t exactly make themselves the face of ownership either.
Official Member of the 'Devin Must Go!' Fan Club
Usher frequented games during the LeBron era if memory serves me correct. If the Bobcats ever played national games, I’d maybe be able to make the same case for Nelly…but even then, since we don’t get their games, it’s a tough question to answer
Ahhh yes.
Official Member of the 'Devin Must Go!' Fan Club
by CyberRambro on Jan 17, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Jay-Z is purely with the Nets to be a face of ownership
To be frank, it looks cool to have Jay-Z as a part owner. The average NBA fan does not recognize how little stake Jay-Z has in the franchise.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
he’s just a figurehead, and I"m sure if he could have gotten a piece of the Knicks pie instead he would have gone there, but as a big fan of his music it feels good to have him on our side.
by sheepareevil on Jan 17, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
yeah hes only a figurehead…and if this fails. The average fan will notice that in reality Jayz is nothing to this team.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
I think Ron Simmons put it best................
One word…………………….DAMN!
Official Member of the 'Devin Must Go!' Fan Club
Kudos to WOJ
KUDOS. His article is spot on. I’ve been saying all that for months.
It’s great to see that a respected writer has the guts to tell things like they are. I applaud you, Mr Wojnarowski.
from proky
“i respect your journalistic integrity adrian. please don’t bother calling the office again for inside information. thank you.’
imagine something extremely witty here
there's actually valuable inside info in Nets FO?
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
You took a lot of abuse and disrespect for your stance, Andres B...
But you stood strong. With these guys it’s either Carmelo or I’m now a Knicks fan !
Hang in there Andres, you are not alone !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
But, in addition, Dave said the same thing nine months ago!! Others in the biz are just now catching up to Dave. Amazing foresight, he has.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
by BigTom on Jan 17, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
D'Alessandro, I mean.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
by BigTom on Jan 17, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Finally he does !
Why didn’t he catch on earlier, like three months ago ?
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Netsdaily was hinting this in the morning…
NetsDaily NetsDaily.com
Whether this deal gets done or not, the process has been damaging for the Nets organization. Months of uncertainty on team and in fanbase.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
Funny but when I read that, it hadn't sunk in yet
IT HAS NOW!!! I just want to root for a competitive team. We don’t have to win the championship, it would just be nice to have fun watching games again. As of now the nets are 0 fun and the prospects are not looking too good.
Go out with the "ugly girl"
Don’t be shy she has a good personality.
by Nets 12-70 on Jan 17, 2011 7:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The day I became a Nets fan/NBA fan.
I became a fan the day I saw the Nets upset Toranto in the playoffs, my young elementary school days…..i hope there is no reason to remember the end.
There have been people saying the same thing on this blog...
for a long time. They have been shouted down.
They have been told that it’s Melo or the end of the Nets.
They are wrong !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
It will be the end of the Nets for certain. The Nets at this moment already have hit “the end.” Melo may be able to revive them, and save the franchise name which holds so much history. No Melo, then say hello to the BK Bridges, or whatever crazy idea.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
I could care less about the name change
If they put a winning product on the floor, then I’m a supporter.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
"It will end the Nets for certain"
With all due respect Tim, LMFAO !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
he may be right if the Nets change their name in 2012-13
by sheepareevil on Jan 17, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
You think they will be rushing to remind people of the last few nets season? Like the 12 wins? Or this years debacle? No. They are going to kill everything off. It will be all new in every way,.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Are you a Knicks fan ?
We have a lot of Knicks fans on this blog. just egging us on …
Having a good laugh at our expense !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Because I am strongly in favor of keeping the Nets name?
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Times are going to get rough for Nets fans...
If you want to quit now, quit !
But don’t go scaring everybody with your doom and gloom !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
I want them to remain the Nets, and if you are a Nets fan it is doom and gloom right now as we speak, they dont need any confirmation on that.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
We have a billionaire owner..
We have loads of draft picks and young players. Brook Lopez is 22 years old, We have a new arena in Brooklyn NYC.
But according to you and all the Knicks trolls on this site we are doomed !
I wish i could tell you what I really think !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
It's All New? why do I feel like we heard this before?
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
Screw the New!
“Thus says the LORD:”Stand by the roads, and look,
and ask for the ancient paths,
where the good way is; and walk in it,"
What happened to tradition and history? Maybe it’s time to take a look at the Nets storied past to realize what it takes to build a championship team.
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
+1
You can’t win a championship just with great teamwork and a lot of good but not great guys. It’s only a 5v5 sports, every person on the court is of critical importance.
After all, ’Melo isn’t Kobe Bryant(notes). He isn’t LeBron James(notes). Or Dwyane Wade(notes). He isn’t a transcendent talent who sells out the arena, elevates everyone and changes everything. Anthony is a prolific scorer, but he’ll never be your leader. There are stars worth a franchise selling out everything, but Anthony isn’t one of them.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
by Andy. on Jan 17, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've gone back and fourth on Melo myself
Is he a transcendent player? Or is he just a really good scorer like Alex English was? I think it’s more of the latter.
Defender of the Universe
That may be true, however...
Three straight 50 win seasons? Sounds like a franchise player to me. And a Western Conference Finals run.
Put the right players around Melo, they could go far.
I also disagree regarding selling out an arena. He’s not LeBron or Kobe in that respect, but he is still one of the top 10 most popular players in the league that attracts fans.
Listen, Kobe has Pau, Odom, Gasol, Artest and Bynum around him, as well as good complimentary pieces. And I love Kobe’s game; I think he is the best player in the league. However, you cannot deny what he has around him.
Carmelo has some good talent around him, but not on the level that Kobe does.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
At least last year we had hope (misplaced, but hope nevertheless).
Through all the dark days of last season we possessed hope. Hope that we would secure the #1 pick. Didn’t happen. Hope that one of the superstar free agents would come to our rescue. Didn’t happen. Hope that Proky’s money and charisma would change the image of our team in the NBA. Didn’t happen. Hope that we could use all of our valuable cap space to build a respectable team. Didn’t happen. Hope that we could con Coach K or Phil Jackson to lead us to the promise land. Didn’t happen. This year our only hope is that the team doesn’t embarrass us any more than it already has.
by nynjlawyer on Jan 17, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Analogy for Jets fans:
Earlier in the season the Pats beat the Green’s teeth in, 45-3. That was outrageously embarrassing for the team, but not really the fans because we believed the Jets were still a top class organization and could come back swinging. Had they lost again to the Patriots in a dominating fashion, the whole organization and its fans would have been embarrassed, for their coach, for their players. Instead, they went back and changed their game around and turned the tides.
This season for the Nets feels like taking that same 45-3 pounding again, despite all the time you’ve had to watch film and figure out what exactly went wrong. Add on to that all the embarrassment, the refusal by Melo to come out and say he doesn’t want to play here, the shameless media leaks, the dumb free agent signings, where do I go on.
I don’t think my heart can take it.
If Melo doesn’t sign the Nets are somehow is a significantly worse position that before Prokhorov came in.
plus the embarassment of how desperate we were
But there would be nothing better than building a good team without LeBron or Melo and winning a championship before them. Although it looks like it won’t happen
Anthony treats the Nets like the unattractive girl he refuses to tell his friends he’s seeing on the side
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
by GMJigga on Jan 17, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
The Nets are a grenade.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
by GMJigga on Jan 17, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Moving on......
So, let’s say this deal falls through, and Nets and Proky are laughing stocks….. what next? We still have our picks…. we wind up with at least one very high pick…. maybe even #1 this time. We get a little bit better next year, we shed ourselves of the Troy Murphy contract, we weather the same storm that every other team will next season if there is a lockout, we sukc just a little bit less next year, and then in 2012 we go to the newest, hippest arena in then entire NBA. Are you telling me that NOBODY is going to step up to the opportunity of being the face of the franchise when it moves to Brooklyn.
I beg to disagree.
Not if we're still terrible
The only guys we could have gotten this year were the guys that are going for the money. Amare wanted his full 5 years. Rudy Gay and Boozer wanted a ton of money. Heck, even Tyrus Thomas and Luis Scola turned us down.
This isn’t even considering the actual talent pool of the 2012 FA class, and who can actually be a star
Tyrus Thomas was restricted; Scola wanted to stay in Houston, it's not like he went to another team
Get your facts straight there.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Rudy Gay also publicly said it was a mistake not to listen to the Nets
The Nets also had Boozer, but made the decision not to match the Bulls.
Boozer wanted to come to the Nets for the sake of his daughter’s health. Thorn balked here.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
boozer is a little too injury prone
i would have rather gambled on amare, although he might still have gone to the knicks
imagine something extremely witty here
Deron Williams will step up
He’ll come to play with Perry Jones , Brook Lopez , Derrick Favors , and Austin Rivers!
Founder of - The Official Keep Johan Petro in NJ Movement
by strange-brew on Jan 17, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Im really going to struggle with being a fan of a nameless franchise who just moved and no one cares about.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
I would love melo on the team
but if no Melo….. are you kidding me??
this garbage team has the ability to even be in discussions with ppl on the caliber of Lebron and Melo…..
and yall think that the franchise is over….
HOW ABOUT WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND CONTRACT….SOUND BETTER….
When Woj owns an NBA team
Then he can call other owners jokes.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
by eLonepb on Jan 17, 2011 7:40 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
When we play in the NBA
Then we can criticize the players.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
That's kind of a pointless argument
That’s like saying we can’t criticize the players because we’ve never played in the league.
Defender of the Universe
basically saying
dont rate a girl because you’ve never been one
LMAO
by blazin pp face on Jan 17, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Don't critcize a movie
If you’ve never made one yourself.
Timeless - The 2001-2003 NJ Nets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nima3dmLrcw
No, eLone is saying
A movie critic shouldn’t criticize a movie if he/she has never made a movie, because a critic gets paid to cover movies. Better analogy…still is a ridiculous one, imo.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
If you communicated to the masses as your job
And criticized women for all the things they do, then yes. You’d be completely off base.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
so then a movie critic who has never actually made a movie should not be employed as a movie critic in the first place?
Lots of unemployed critics, if so.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
this article is a joke
Woj is pms’ing big time here.
chill out dood, we’re just trying to trade a bunch of role players for an all-star. we won’t be the first team in the history of the league to have a deal fall through.
imagine something extremely witty here
Yup, defend the company line!
Look at how good it has worked out so far!
Opulence, I has it.
by J-Sal on Jan 17, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
of course i would the nets to be great this year
but that wasn’t realistic. my point is, i’m not sure what fans expected this year. i also don’t understand why fans would bash an owner (of arguably the worst team in the league) who is constantly trying to land a big kahuna player. personally, i like that approach. but no, i’m not only the nets payroll…haha
imagine something extremely witty here
bs
he’s an nba writer he can voice his opinion about nba owners
just like i can say donald sterling is a joke, and i’m not a fellow owner
You've got to be kidding me...
If Woj didn’t cover the NBA, he’d be getting payed to cover the NFL, or MLB. Why? Because he’s very, very good at what he does.
Of course he’s qualified to say write what he did. Certainly more qualified than any of us.
You just didn’t like what he had to say. Get over it.
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
Official Member of the "Do Not Trade Derrick Favors" Movement
Yes because Dolan has been nothing but successful! No negative articles have ever been written about him
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 17, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
the amount of Dolan article
in comparison to net jokes…..not even close….
the knicks are the knicks…..they can do no wrong….they have a faithful following…..they own the NY media…
by blazin pp face on Jan 17, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
right now....
2000-2009 Dolan and the Knicks have been the joke of the NBA.
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 17, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Damion James? C'mon
Denver just strip mining the Nets at this point.
by muwu on Jan 17, 2011 7:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's pathetic...from the Nets perspective. Denver is taking us for a ride. It's why I changed my signature.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
eh
if it doesn’t work just keep on moving on. at halfway we are 10-31. Not what I was expecting but we won’t end with only 12 wins..we have picks, we will have money, we can still turn it around without Melo.
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 17, 2011 7:43 PM EST reply actions
We're trying to go from one of worst teams ever to championship over night
We needed to sign people like Beasley, David Lee etc. Just upgrades that will keep you competative, and in a position where a star player would not shy away from being traded to us in the middle of the season.
And why the hell are we giving up so much for Melo. He only averages 23ppg, it’s not MJ. If he wants to come, we can cut our offer in half and we would still be offering nuggets more than any other damn team
Beasley? Lee? Are going to win you Championships?
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by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
NO
that is exactly my point, that they won’t. But it would makes us competative, making it easier for other stars to come, who would help bring championships
Is Carmelo?
Beasley could still be a younger, cheaper Melo…
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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by Iron_Fist on Jan 18, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes!
under the right circumstances
Is Artist, Farmer, Longley, Bonner going to win you a championship
THE PROBLEM IS...
PEOPLE HAVE PUT ALL THEIR EGGS IN ONE BASKET…….
THEY FORGET ABOUT DRAFT PICKS, EXPIRINGS, CASH, BROOKLYN, YOUTH
That got us
OutLOL, Farmer’s Market, PetROFL and Sorrow
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by BrooksBridges11 on Jan 17, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you say people
but it is really the nets organization that has done this
many fans have been saying we should stick it out.
or even try to improve thru trades, but not like this.
not in this public desperate team. now it is too late, we have to make this trade or else we are jokes.
So what or who is the answer if the Nets dont get Melo?
I’m warming up to the Jones kid from KU
Favors will look better next year
I hope we can draft Perry, but Terrence would be a nice pick. The kid has crazy handle for his size
by SovietBrooklyn on Jan 17, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wow..
Woj absolutely crushes the Nets in this article. This cant help in the pursuit of Melo. The front office cannot be happy…
I think we should tell Denver to go scratch...
We really only need a decent small forward who can score and Marrow back. We’d have 10 more wins if we had signed RJ. Too bad.
by NetRick on Jan 17, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow they added Damion James this franchise is a joke.
by 1milord on Jan 17, 2011 7:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
C'mon, it's Damion James
He’s proven nothing.
How can people be so attached to a guy who’s played 1/2 the season?
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is Prokhorov: Read it.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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I think i need a break (long extended)
break from netsdaily….. my heart and medical health cannot take this anymore…
NBA is a joke
It’s like a damn soap opera now. What ever happened to just playing basketball
Funny thing is, Denver wants what the Nets already have got
Just think about that for a couple of moments.
and just when you though they've had enough
they want more of it.
now that’s funny
imagine something extremely witty here
eventually they might want
Outlaw … then I suggest we say yes… even if Melo won’t sign extension
yeah flip it on them
ok we’ll give you these other guys you want, but we’d also ask that you take outlaw too
imagine something extremely witty here
Yeah. If I was a GM, I would not want my team to resemble this one whatsoever.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
another point..
If Nets never got into trade talks with Denver to aquire Melo, would fans and writers around the league be bashing Prok/Billy King for not being more aggressive to get Melo?
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 17, 2011 7:48 PM EST reply actions
no because no believes they have a chance
their team sucks
their in newark
no stars
who would blame them. They just accepted their fate
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
i understand its frustrating....
but we are trying to get carmelo anthony….. i know he’s not lebron….but he’s not like getting some scrub…….he IS the face of the DENVER NUGGETs
by blazin pp face on Jan 17, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
just gonna copy and paste what I said in the last one
the nets tried to hard to hit a home run.
The Clippers future is brighter because at least this season they can say they are building Blake Griffin confidence.
Question how many games you think the clippers will have on TV thanks to this kid???
How many televised games?
The Nets and Proky got to wrap up of getting Melo. Trying to stop him from going where he will likely end up. Where he should have been worried about the Nets.
Just like with Lebron. Proky and company sat on their tails because "no one told them they were out of it." What they should have done was accept the reality you are a bad team competing for the attention of a good player with better teams.
Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.
Come back after you get your weight up.
This will humble him. The NBA is not something you can throw cash at.
You can’t impress players with your billions and smooth talk.
No one was or has bought it.
Build the Nets up first then talk about attracting talent
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 7:49 PM EST reply actions
but why is everyone acting
like he’s not doing that…..
by blazin pp face on Jan 17, 2011 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
agree
but don’t get the Clippers/Griffin reference
I am VERY against Lebron, completely ignoring the stats. He ruins teams, despite what his great stats say. I dont care what anyone says, he ruins teams. - anonymous nets fan
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 17, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Stars want to join stars from there class or a class before them, Who would want to join Favors in 4yrs from now?
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
no one probably
we aren’t a free agent destination
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
so true im so sick of seeing the bums like graham and favors starting...lets trade troy and harris
Cuban called Prokrov a pussycat because hes afriad to make any deals..he is a joke…brooklyn opening night 13,000
We need the Monstars from Space Jam to drain the talent from Nets players and put in talent of legends.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
What talent?
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by BrooksBridges11 on Jan 17, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
now i look back and cant believe shawn bradley was a monstar
chris mullin, dan majerle, or chris dudley would have been way better “token” choices
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
absolutely not
bradley was chosen because of his cartoonish proportions, as was muggsy. obviously there were better players, but a goofy 7-6 white guy and a scrappy 5-3 black guy round out the squad, they are cartoon characters after all.
also as a side note, when I was a kid I first thought that Bill Murray was Dan Majerle. I dont know why, they look nothing alike, but not like I knew who Bill Murray was
by sheepareevil on Jan 18, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Forget Carnello Anthony
Jeez the guy isn’t any better than Vince Carter when he came here. Look what we got for him.
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got him for
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IM DONE!!!
THIS IS A COMPLETE JOKE and its making me sick
How are the Nets viewed any less than they've ever been viewed?
This team never has gotten respect, so what’s changing here, exactly? I know I personally don’t care if we can’t “convince” Melo. It doesn’t change anything for me, really.
Prolonged winning. Possible championship. That’s all I care about as a Nets fan. Respect of NBA writers or keeping players away from the Knicks or whatever else isn’t even in my mind when I root for this team.
by shane gayle on Jan 17, 2011 7:51 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Yup, agreed
Prokhorov is putting his money where his mouth is, that’s for sure.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
that's all you can really ask from an owner
to turn around and call him an embarrassment and all of this other garbage for doing so is an absolute joke.
real easy for Woj to sit behind his little lap-top and write this crap….love to see him run a club
imagine something extremely witty here
I hear what Woj is saying though
But it’s quite harsh to say an owner’s dreams of championships, big stars, and a bright future are ruining his reputation.
He’s still Prokhorov. He’s still a global icon on his own, without the Nets.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
what Woj is failing to mention
is that in the New Era NBA “journalism” with twitter, and blogs and updates every 10 seconds, the entire process becomes very public. even only a couple of years ago, this deal would have been done behind closed doors and if it went down, there would be some kind of shocking espn announcement day of trade.
so yeah, there have been a lot of warts exposed of the ‘process’ here. but that’s more of a function of the way information travels now. it’s a new reality that GM’s and teams are going to have to figure out and deal w/ properly.
imagine something extremely witty here
but as for what proky is attempting to do with the Nets
Woj is 180 degrees off
imagine something extremely witty here
Kill the messenger !
LOL
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Seriously.
It would also be nice if Gminski and eLone at least got the point of the article before attempting to discredit a guy like Woj.
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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Global Icon ?
Like Kim ?
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
That is a totally sane attitude.
From a Nets fan. What’s this world coming to?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jan 17, 2011 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Endy Days?
“and the lion shall lie down with the lamb…lol!
The Knick fan and the Net fan shall post on the same sports blog in perfect harmony!
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
i really can now say that i hope he does not accpet this extension
I really hope this deal doesnt go through, prokerhov just totally fu@#ed up the organization, his image, the players and The GM,
Starting to think that making other trades for harris and murphy while keeping picks and favors and james and morrow is alot better an option than Melo.
I'm curious to hear your opinion on this NetIncome
because although reports have surfaced that Melo isn’t interested in signing with the Nets…we seem to have forgotten all the signs that pointing the other way.
I’m still optimistic Prokhorov will return to NJ with a YES.
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I think Melo will want to talk to him
even if he is already amenable to signing.
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i would have to disagree the Media has said hes not interested, how do you know he isnt? wouldnt we be on that list with Cha,Wsh,Phi?
Nets fans are reading to much into it when people bash the nets about how melo doesnt want to be here. just answer this why arent we on the list?
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
You and me both
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
Sources said to Philly and Charlotte and Clippers, forget it. Sources never said forget it to Melo. Maybe to drive the Knicks crazy and make them offer something real. Still, the Nets already look stupid twice for being close but not landing Melo and have to look even worse if they fail now. Maybe Porky just needs to realize it ain’t happening and move on. I just hate that it was all so close to actually having a decent, competitive team, and we will now go back to this horribly flawed team with a much less bright future.
"Vatch me choke the life out of this franchise"!
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by shea23 on Jan 17, 2011 7:54 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
yes proky
please stop trying to bring top flight talent to the Nets!
we liked the Ratner era so much better!
imagine something extremely witty here
by Gminski on Jan 17, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS!!
How many billions has he spent? How dare he not turn a 12 win team into the Lakers over half a season. I love it that man is our owner.
Prokhy apparently hasn't learned that this isn't Major League Baseball.
Can’t buy a championship, here.
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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Money can help a bit you would think.
I don’t think it hurts to have coaches, scouts, additional staff, equipment, facilities, etc etc etc…
there is also the salary cap
which means money means less in NBA
haha rec
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
The ends justify the means !
No wonder his Soviet empire crumbled !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
27 icnidently which was also their average over 10 years i'd say
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at 40 yo maybe
Rip was never close to pierce or Allen
HOW ABOUT THIS
WE TELL PROKY….SRY ITS JUST NOT WORKING… I MEAN YOU’RE AMAZING… BUT ITS NOT YOU….ITS ME….. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES OR SHULD I SAY LACK OF THEM…
BUT HEY… I MEAN WE’VE ONLY BEEN DATING FOR A FEW MONTHS NOW…
WULD YOU ALL BE HAPPY THEN????
Who is borading the group:
“Melo dont sign with the Nets” ????
Iggy and Mayo
We get a scorer and a legit sf.
Even if Melo doesnt accept the offer. We still have to move Harris and Murphy. Harris is garbage and Murphy is just being wasted.
Go after Nash. A team of Nash, Mayo, Iggy Hump and Lopez makes the playoffs in the east. Morrow FAVORS Sasha Farmar and James off the bench.
might be what we get
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
If we get Iggy
this franchise will be doomed for the next 3 years.
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go after mayo and g. wallace and draft a point guard
WE ARE NOW ROLLING
You guys are forgetting the tax
Floridia and Texas have not state income tax. NJ & NY are the highest in the land. Lebron went to Maimi cause it saved him 10 million bucks or more. If Melo had a brain he’d want a trade to the Mavs.
by NetRick on Jan 17, 2011 7:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lol
good point
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 17, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is the biggest issue about Prokhorov. He’s a basketball idiot and we’re giving up so much. We don’t we grow some and walk away?
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WE'RE 10-31
What is giving up too much? A few draft picks and Derrick Favors? Please.
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we will never wina championship by aquiring melo
by Nets16 on Jan 17, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's better than watching this garbage.
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by BrooksBridges11 on Jan 17, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
imagine having a ton of terrible food in front of you
and someone wants some of your terrible food, should you be criticized for giving away a couple scoops too much?
imagine something extremely witty here
by Gminski on Jan 17, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
more like having two sandwiches the bigger one you dislike because it has nasty sauce on it
so you give him the bigger sandwich and he simply wipes the sauce off and you get stuck with the smaller one
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 17, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Terrible food?
If so than why is outlaw not on their demand list? Harris, morrow, favors are far from terrible. Morrow is among the best shooters in th league
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by Scoot21 on Jan 17, 2011 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
A few draft picks and Favors and hlaf of our team and draft picks that can be better than Melo and a former all star and all possibly just for three years of more Melo drama. im all for getting this deal done, but you must be kidding me by being in favor of literally trading 3/4 of the team for Carmelo Anthony. Thats just absurd and makes our championship chances in the long run even lower.
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Who in the draft is going to be better than Anthony? The only player who even comes close to what he does in the scoring department is Durant.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
I WANT to trade for Anthony,
don’t get me wrong. But trading Harris, Favors, Morrow, Uzoh, Petro, Graham, Murphy 3 first rounders, and Damion James for 3-5 players is just absurd. My issue is not in geting Melo, its showing the league how desperate we are that we keep adding more and more and more. Its insane on our part cuz no one can make an offer that comes even close.
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we are not giving up all those players just for anthony
we’d be getting back chauncey and rip as well. which btw, would make us better.
for what 3 years
and then chauncey and rip will have mentally checked out because the best they can do is a 1st round exit and the nets will have no abundancy of picks, just two, maybe three late first rounders instead of a possiblity of getting 3 top 5 picks in a row
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
they are 32 and 34
retirement ago… if they were 27 and 29 yes
We don't even know what Derrick will be yet...
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this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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I think the Nets will
be the grizzles of the East a okay team but not a playoff team
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 7:56 PM EST reply actions
And thats why we need Melo to become good and to attract other stars
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by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Carmelo instantly,INSTANTLY, guarantees CP3 in 2012. Paul goes where Melo goes, IMO
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Absolutely not.
That may help you sleep at night, but its still patently false.
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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because you know new orleans isn't going to try and build around paul for three years
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
because when NO tries to trade Paul next year
the NJ can offer …. young talent … draft picks ?
And in FA Paul would not sign with a better contender
Wait a second here.
Woj intimates that we should have gotten a commitment from Melo months ago. How does he suggest we would have done that. Isn’t it illegal for teams to talked to players under contract. Woj is bashing the Nets for not tampering with melo. I think frustration is wearing on poor old Woj.
Didn't the Nets do that though?
By talking to Leon Rose who said Melo would sign?
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that's the craziest, most under-reported aspect of this thing
how could leon rose let all of this happen AND then actively push another of his clients (rip hamilton) into the deal, without knowing 100% that melo would be down w/ the nets.
that’s bananasville
imagine something extremely witty here
He did the same thing
with Lebron-Chicago
Partially functional, half of me is comfortable, the other half is close to the Cliff, like Mrs. Huxtable
by King Henry the 2nd on Jan 17, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don'e think pushing Hamiton
was in the interest of Anthony … it was in the interest of Rose
I can think of about 40 SG I would prefer than Hamilton … Rose is doing it to keep Hamilton happy
On the bright side
The Mets signed Chris Young. Lets Go Mets
It's Time...
To draft a petition from Nets fans to Nets management that we don’t want to give up the farm for such a publicly diffident player. Prokhorov is right to want to make a splash and to attempt to find a bankable star for the team. However, like that ugly girl who is kept out of sight, if he won’t hold your hand in public, don’t hold his in private. No fan can be upset with the effort made to get a high profile player. However, we should be upset if the cupboard is left bare. We can take another year or two of adding talent and growing the team organically. What we can’t take is an ambivalent center piece, aging roster and overpriced players. Please, Mr. Prokhorov, give Mr. King permission to pull the plug on this farce. Fellow fans, please express yourselves to Nets management, also.
Good luck getting signatures on that
I for one won’t be signing it.
We’ve come too far to simply “pull the plug” now.
We’re 10-31 and have destroyed this team mentally. You cannot walk away now until you get a definitive NO from Carmelo.
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To me If melo is that dumb to think this 10-31 means something for the future, then hes smoking something. Lets be real here, i hope he doesnt expect the nets to go far this yr. He needs to be patient for th next 2 yrs until the puzzle is put together and when we put rea talent around him around 2012.
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At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah.
On my 20th birthday, no less.
That’ll be fun.
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by BrooksBridges11 on Jan 17, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Once again i will revert to a good plan b
Trade for monte ellis and sign chandler in off season
Avg age would be 24
Line up
Lopez/petro/rookie
Favors/hump/
Chandler/outlol/rookie/james
Ellis/morrow/
Irving/farmar
Solid young team
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by Mike Viola on Jan 17, 2011 7:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Who do you suppose we trade for Monta?
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
Murphy james gs pick back
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by Mike Viola on Jan 17, 2011 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not happening.
"why would you want to do that
this years draft sucks and thats without the threat of a lockout." - The benevolent Net Income, prognosticating on the quality of the 2011 draft class... In December.
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What are those picks details anyway? Does anyone even know? Besides ours, how good are the rest? If we go back in time and take the last 6 first round picks for example, how good do they look now?
Not all that great, and we had a lot of losses. I cant imagine the picks we have now being that much better or worse then looking back at our recent history.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Oh please, as if there are certain magical GM’s with crystal balls who can somehow see that a guy like Boozer, or Ginobli will actually be top talent. Its all a crap shoot and sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don’t. For the most part, they are all generally on the same page.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
check kings draft record, 80% of his players are common names amongst the dedicated basketball fans
names like salmons, sefolosha, meeks, thad young, etc and he also signed raja bell as an undrafted free agent. thorn however was a terrible talent evaluator drafting guys like tamar slay, miles illic, zoran planinic, antoine wright, and marcus williams. look at the spurs they have missed the playoffs once in like 20 years and the guy they drafted that year tim duncan, all those other non-lottery years they still find guys manu, parker, blair and sign guys like gary neal and some of the guys they let go like scola, dragic, and udrih
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 17, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
100% of those names can just be traded for with bums or cash considerations. I want movers and shakers. You cant build in reverse, you need a guy that will be you’re franchise, and when it comes to those picks, its all a gamble.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
so if this team had the spurs front office you wouldnt want them to draft?
how do you think talent gets discovered? everyone just trades stars away after theyget established. we arent talking a low 20’s pick. a top 5 pick is something you covet because unless its a completely trash draft like 2000 you will get some impactful talent. and melo will never be a franchise, he cant even hold his own in denver getting pwned by kobe, kg’s t’wolves, the clippers, roy before the surgeries, and now durant. stop getting wrapped up in his 25 ppg
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 17, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Spurs had a GREAT team before Duncan, they got lucky and lost a lot, like we did, except instead of ending up with Favors, they got the best PF of all time. I mean yeah if you could guarantee me a guy like that sure, but its not going to happen.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
I really couldn’t care less what is going on with Melo, or this organization from a standpoint of trading this or that. I care about wins on the court. I have had little to no interest in watching games lately. I didn’t even finish watching today’s game after halftime. I watched every game last year, and most all of them up to this point this year, and I have finally come to the end of the road. I have better things to do.
I don’t know how you guys can sit here and be content with waiting 3 years or so to go with youth, especially when there are other young teams out there with much better talent, like the Clippers for example. Yeah going youth is great and all, but if we cant win a dang thing if our lifes depended on it, how could y’all want that? Basketball if far to enjoyable to have it ruined by so many losses.
It would be great if we got young and then people started watching again later down the road, but for the people who will watch even when bad…its too much time.
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
ok
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
So we are jokes for Going All OUT
I guess we were less of a joke when we were selling assetts like the old 42nd streets.
If we lose out on Melo then we lose some pride. But with 5 first round picks and a New Arena we will be just fine.
Relax people.
"Nets will be first globally embarssing team!"
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by shea23 on Jan 17, 2011 8:05 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
did you mispell embarrassing intentionally? heheh
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
why yes yes i did
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Depends if someone eats the potatoes
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by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
worse. unless it was a remote controlled sack of potatoes
otherwise a normal sack of potatoes would just not help very much at all IMHO
"I don't care if you gotta FLY... You bettah have my doughNUTS!"
Bondy article
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/nets/2011/01/halfway-through-disappointing-season-nets-still-have-no-identity?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:nydnrss/blogs/nets(Blogs/The+InterNets)
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
King needs to end this distraction...
Perhaps Avery is right? I think Melo is balking at NJ and we need to show the Nuggets that we won’t get rid of Favors. This has been enough.
well the nugs know that favors is on the table but
i agree in one respect.
one more week, and then time to move on. carmelo have fun taking less money and screwing up the knicks chemistry and then being booed by knicks fans. denver have fun in doing whatever it is that you do.
imagine something extremely witty here
"GOTCHA SUCKAS!"
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i'm pretty sure after 12-70 this team is the biggest joke besides donald sterling(not the clippers just him)
scrap melo and send harris on his way:
dallas wants him so find a way to send him and outlaw for beaubois, butler(expiring), stevenson, and jones
portland wants harris so dump send him for batum, rudy, and oden(expiring but also a cheap deal would be worth it if he stays healthy)
or send him and someone for gerald wallace and augustin
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 17, 2011 8:11 PM EST reply actions
So no Melo...
…and all team morale is lost?
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2011 8:12 PM EST reply actions
you're right
if we only had that morale, we’d be a play-off team
imagine something extremely witty here
We'd better than a bottom 4 team.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jan 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
What's the point of not being a bottom 4 team with our current group?
It would only serve to hurt our draft pick.
"I don’t think we want to be like the Knicks. I think we’d more like to resemble the Lakers." - Mikhail Prokhorov
i thought we'd stand a chance
at maybe just maybe making the playoffs again…
Strike the Shepherd and the Sheep will Scatter
by JerseyFinest on Jan 17, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Thank the Russians for that. Putting all eggs in one basket.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
I don't think we have a choice
At this point, with everything that has been said about how badly Prokhorov wants Melo, we have to do it now, no matter what. Prokhorov backed himself into a corner with all of his statements and sentiments about how badly he wants Melo. If he doesn’t get this done, no one will ever want to come here. Too many people that are or can be associated with Prokhorov have come too far to have it fall apart now. I just hope his presentation to Melo is as good as the one to Bron was.
Winning cures all woes
if the Nets get Melo, Billups and Rip alongside Lopez, Humphries, Vujacic and Farmar, they will start winning again. I guarantee it.
That will make Melo and Co. a much happier group.
At the same time, if the Nets get Melo at the deadline and he signs, they may get a better draft pick. Could work out well for the Nets in the end.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Assuming the pick will become protected
If the Nets give Denver three firsts
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Avery will be fired b4 BK.
He wont be making the trip. He will be blamed for some of this losing and they dont want to bring a losing coach into that building.
Avery better start demanding changes or he is going to be back as an analyst.
I'm sorry but lmao what?
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Has Melo rejected us yet?
Because based on all the comments in this thread it would appear that he has.
Despite reports that his AGENT is the one brokering this deal and his interview on ESPN where he speaks glowingly about Brooklyn it would appear that we have no shot because biased beat writers like to twist and spin lip service from Melo.
I still believe Melo will be a Net.
Official Member of the "MAKE CARMELO A NET" Movement
I would have to agree. Everyone is going around stating how the media and all this info out there is false, and cant be trusted… yet everyone knows because so and so said something?
Avery on if he dreams about getting Melo: "No. What I dream about, honest to God truth, I dream about our center getting 10 rebounds.'
Will I think the anger comes from no confirmation and denver wanting EVEN MORE.
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Netsking right on
Nets fans are reading to much into it, So what proky is going tomeet him, why not? hes a new owner wouldnt you want to know what his plan is for the future
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Imo it's not about the result (even thou I don't see Melo coming)
it’s about the effort and direction. That’s the joke. If you don’t see our desperation for a player who I believe is not our answer then you’re missing the point. Our tactic is simply amateurish.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
WE HAVE NO CHOICE
We are an organization desperate for a star and EVERYONE knows it.
We’re also 10-31 it’s not like we’re winning games.
Is it embarrassing how we’ve gone about this? Sure. But we really have no choice.
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I still believe Melo will be a Net.
Me too. But that doesn’t contradict what Woj (and Dave D. before him) have written.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
watching something on NBA TV about when Chris Weber got traded to Sacramento
he was so upset about going to Sac that he wasn’t going to report. he missed the first day of practice.
his father told him not many people have a job that they love to do. he took it to heart, went to Sacramento and had a great run, and looks back on it as the best thing that ever happened to him. he grew to love Sacramento so much that when he had the choice to leave, he didn’t.
Point is, sometime players don’t love the team they get traded to (Weber was at the point of quitting basketball). but, these guys are pro’s and winning cures everything. we saw it with jason kidd (pre-ratner)
imagine something extremely witty here
Broussard: Melo Trade Talks 'Becoming a Circus'
and he feels that Melo isnt interested in playing for the Nets.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
...Is it my turn to say "I told you so" yet?
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Back to this.
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by shea23 on Jan 17, 2011 8:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
and yorkman was pissed that people were upset with a product that they pay for
29 (28) Nets 10-30 The Brook Lopez whom the Nets can excitedly sell to Melo: 35 points and 32 points in his past two games. The Brook Lopez whom the Nets hope Melo hasn’t heard about: Only two double-digit rebound games all season.
Humphries is averaging nearly a double-double
Do you not think that that is impacting him?
I do not expect Lopez to every average 20-10 as long as Hump is around.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
still 5.9 boards is sad
8.1
8.7
5.9
no no no he should be at least above 7 boards this year
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
Go for broke.
this is an absolutely a horrible 2 weeks as being a Net fan. The Nuggets is absolutely smart because the are using the desperation of the Nets against them. I was saying that if I was in their shoes I would do the same thing.Now they have done everything I would have done… just that Harrington is not thrown in there as well. King must be following orders because there is no way I can see this happening… I am just astonished, if this story is accurate, that this is a very bad trade. Even if they get Melo… This is too much. If I was a Nuggets Fan I would want that GM to have his contract extended for playing the Nets as tools and fools.
If the deal falls through
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Harris – Barea
Kidd – Terry
Marion – Outlaw
Dirk –
Chandler – Haywood
We get Hot Roddy and expirings.
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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4bu7j8h
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by strange-brew on Jan 17, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what I don't understand
Everyone is acting like this trade is completely over. I don’t think it is. At all. I think this may just be the beginning. Unfortunately.
In order for the Nets to meet with Melo, there must already be a deal in place. Otherwise, it’s considered tampering by NBA standards. Regardless of permission granted.
Many many reports have now said that the Nets do not have a deal in place yet, and that there is no meeting scheduled. It has been reported that there is an issue over picks. If that is the case, then there is no meeting scheduled. Prokhorov was going to be in the US anyway for Russian Culture Night.
Furthermore, what has changed besides Woj’s opinion column where Melo has said he was not willing to speak with the Nets?
A couple hours earlier, most recognized how ESPN and other major outlets were attempting to misconstrue Melo’s statements to make it look like he was rejecting the Nets, when he clearly said he was not going to speak with any franchise other than the Nuggets.
So now that we read Woj’s “opinion,” that is more ripping the Nets front office than reporting on any actual trade activity, why do we think that something has changed from Melo?
I still think that this trade can go through. Nothing has changed since the post-game comments and the Nets FO is still obviously working on finalizing the deal first.
This whole thing is just becoming a mess, where people are starting to overlook what has been said, taking this saga to a whole different level.
Sure, Melo does most likely want to go to the Knicks. But i would not consider the Nets completely out of contention.
The trade deadline is February 24th. We’ve got a long ride ahead of us.
this could be true
i think a major problem that has happened recently is David Aldridge’s report that the Nugs, in fact, granted the nets permission to talk to melo.
if he was wrong, he caused quite a turd storm
imagine something extremely witty here
It looks like he was wrong
Considering what many have stated after his report.
I know he stands by his statements, but they are looking more false each day.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
bad piece of reporting if so
and seemingly damaging to the whole situation
imagine something extremely witty here
The problem is not the result
it’s how we’re getting to the result. Imo we’re giving up way too much to get someone who won’t help as much as the FO thinks because Denver sees our desperation. It’s to the point of even if we get Melo we’ve been played. How can you talk trade with a team in this day and age when you have to have a meeting with the player after. If Denver wouldn’t let us talk to Melo first we never should have started negotiating. How does a 19 kid feel about being on the trading block since day 1? You’re right this Melo deal is a mess and there’s nobody to blame but ourselves.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
by msm2 on Jan 17, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
+ 1 The problem isn't wanting Melo; problem is Prokhorov going about it like a fool
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
If Ive learned anything, its that we will keep on waiting.
February 24 is what it will likely take.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
if it takes that long
we’re in a lot of trouble.
means melo will likely reject, and we’ll have made no moves (a la Lebron) while waiting.
got to set a deadline on our teams right now
imagine something extremely witty here
one day melo wants to go to NY
another day melo’s agents are pushing him and rip to the nets so they can play with CP3 in the near future.
next day Denver is only doing the trade if it can unload AL Harrington, day after that melo trade is @ the finish line and a meeting with Proky and Melo si gonna happen soon…
i’ve been looking at this board everyday….STOP being SUCKAS overreacting to everything
Nobody knows what the hell is going on…melo never said he won’t sign with nets, stop speculating and just focus on your own life….forget about these idiot writers and franchises who can’t get a deal together…
this whole thing is not only bad for the nets but also the nuggets…..and proky’s image isnt’ gonna take a hit with this..this shows u how far proky will go to win…
theres a story on all angles with this deal….its a writer’s feast we dont’ need to be part of the chaos
Watch Prokhorov's 60 Minutes Interview
Do you think he cares about his image?
The guy was arrested and held in a French prison for three days concerning prostitution and said it was a “good learning experience.”
Do you think he will stop if he does not get Carmelo? Please. Every NBA player is a small fish in a big pond compared to Prokhorov on an international level. The guy could buy half the talent in the league by himself.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Great, so the guy doesn't care.
Do you think he will care when his decisions make us a joke? Right now that’s all he’s accomplished.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
Nets Fans, Tomorrow could be the Day. Does 1.Trade go down 2.Melo say yay or nay?
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
i’m starting to warm up to the idea of building thru the draft
if melo doesn’t want to be here, well, it’s okay, we suck for a longer time then.
so am i
If they get ’Melo – truly get him – he won’t be choosing the Nets. ’Melo will be choosing the market and money.
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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by Andy. on Jan 17, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Who honestly cares?
Did Kidd want to be here? Did KG want to be a Celtic? Did Webber want to be a King?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If he’s a Net, he’s a Net. For whatever reason.
If they start to win, it won’t matter why he came.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
It will matter
if we’re average and Favors and the picks we give up pan out for Denver.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
OMG
What is your definition of average?
A full season of Melo, Lopez, Rip and Billups makes the Nets top 5 in the East with a legit conference title shot.
All signs point to Favors needing a TON of work before he makes a significant impact. He does not have the killer instinct that Garnett, Stoudemire and Duncan have.
Regarding picks, the Nets could easily buy them for $3-4M. Can happen during any draft to fill out a roster.
Furthermore, those Net picks are heavily protected, they could be nothing better than 2nd round picks in some circumstances.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Don't write what he has at 19 years old.
“A full season of Melo, Lopez, Rip and Billups makes the Nets top 5 in the East with a legit conference title shot.”
Don’t write like your opinion is fact.
Imo it’s barley a playoff team.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
by msm2 on Jan 17, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Barely a playoff team?
That team is better than Atlanta, New York, Philadelphia and Indiana.
Philadelphia and Indiana are under .500 and New York is close to .500.
A team with Carmelo Anthony, a guy who has led his team to three consecutive 50 win seasons, with Lopez AND Billups AND Hamilton, is barely a playoff team?
How much weed do you smoke?
When we have a good defesive front court, I'll let you know about being top five in the east.
If you think Lopez, Melo and whoever you think of at PF based on whats left after getting Melo trade gives us what we need to be top 5 anywhere let me know the drugs your on.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
are you crazy that team is likely equal to indiana and philadelphia, barely a playoff team
lets see billups and melo are currently 7th in the west, rip hasnt been efficient since billups got traded, and lopez still doesnt board. and on top of that none of them can hold their own on defense and chauncey and rip are old(and they are nothin close to pierce and allen and kg). the offense would improve but the defense would become drastically worse. a 5th seed? thats 50 wins. no way that shallow roster could claw to 50 wins
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
it works with teams like memphis, okc, clippers
memphis- rudy gay
okc- durant, westbrook
clippers- gordon, griffin
nets= not ready favors, lopez, twill its not working for us
Clippers will be the next Thunder
These are the teams will be good and young
Clippers : Griffin, Gordon
Thunder: Durant, Westbrook
Wolves: Love, Beasley, Johnson
Jazz: Deron, Jefferson, Millsaps
Grizzlies: Gay, Randolph
Blazers: Roy, Oden
Nets: Harris, Favors, Lopez
Kings: Evans, Cousins
I think his game is more similar to Barkley than Malone
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
wall and mcgee are the only bright spots
blatche and young have too many bad habits to be the focal point of rebuilding
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
Biggest losers if melo deal doesn't go down
1. nuggets – at best will get inferior deal from knicks
2. rip hamilton – riding pine in detroit
3. billups – hasn’t figured out yes that denver isn’t going to pick up his $14mill option for next yr like the nets would
4. knicks – have to keep up some proven young talent and risk possibility of over-tinkering (if they get CP3 strike this)
5. nets – a little temporary embarrassment from a media circus
imagine something extremely witty here
i think the nets should still do the hamilton deal
by pinkppantherjr on Jan 17, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think you should rethink that one.
Look at his contract , worth , and age
And Morrow is coming back and Sasha is playing well
What is Rip going to do for this team other than kill it’s cap ?
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by strange-brew on Jan 17, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
rip would be better in chicago, dallas, or (chuckle) denver
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Jan 18, 2011 3:24 AM EST up reply actions
The Nets will be the biggest losers
Our owner is the one promising a championship in 5 years.
Here he would have failed twice.
Not only that but who will want to be apart of this organization after how they see we treat our players.
We already had a hard time convincing players to come jersey imagine how hard it will be after this.
Also we know that Lopez can’t be a center piece so it’s back to draft hoping that we get a jewel.
Favors right now could be damage beyond repair. He is already a project and one thing we know Avery has no patience for him right now. If he is not producing he will go to the bench. So when will this kid develop??
Cousins and others are learning through trial and error while Favors is a miss assignment from going to the bench.
Second I think Avery was hired because the Nets felt they would get better talent than they received.
Avery can coach a veteran team that was put together. I doubt he has the patience to coach a rebuilding team and from what I seen so far he might not be the man for this job.
The Biggest losers are the Nets. We are the ones without an identity that committed to trash Outlaw and Petro.
That has to find pieces through a trade and hope it works.
We have to offer Lopez money because he is the best player we have. he is not a center piece. He will be similar to Chris Kaman/
No there is no little embarrassment from this.
This is a huge embarrassment.
From the Nets handling a this situation and causing another lost season in what was suppose to be a season in the right direction turns out that the Nets have no map.
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
to be fair
i think you’d have to give proky 5 yrs before you can fail him on a 5 yr plan
imagine something extremely witty here
His five year plan
was built around the development of Lopez was it not?
The five year plan was Lopez as the center piece?
Is Lopez a franchise player? A player that you build your team around.
The pieces they added during the summer were to compliment Lopez and Harris.
Again how has that work so far??
Has he not tried to go from Lopez to someone else as the center piece??
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
i don't know if that's his 5 yr plan but
what some people are viewing as no plan, i see a plan
accumulate young players, keep cap flexibility, accumulate draft picks. if a big opportunity arises, go all in. if not, build through the draft and constantly work to upgrade your role players.
have to operate on many fronts at once and be ready for changes in the situation that come up.
imagine something extremely witty here
like i said, if we don't get melo and the team can re-focus
it’s not crazy to think we could win 12-15 games in the second half
that’s a +10-13 win total from last year, and we head into the lottery again. keep it moving forward
imagine something extremely witty here
If Prokhorov's plan is to go all in whenever a star MIGHT be available, then that;s a stupid plan
Prokhorov shows no loyalty or respect to his current players, destroys team morale. You think NBA players don’t see that? This pursuit of Melo with reckless abandon also makes a mockery of the franchise and upsets franchise’s core fanbase.
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
by 3ptChucker on Jan 17, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
the way we are going after
melo is not embarassing, theres nothing embarassing about try to upgrade the roster.
losing 101 of our last 123 games is the only thing to e ashamed about….
by watchoutBLo on Jan 17, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What the???
How can you fail on a 5 year plan (twice) in half a season?? That is crazy talk Killa…
does anybody else think melo and avery and everybody else is denying everything because thats what the nuggets said to do?
by armenianNetsfan on Jan 17, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions
Im honestly tired of all the shenanigans.
I find myself yawning every time something about Melo comes up.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
This if true is stupid
no matter what, a player is susceptible to injury even if the player loves us and wants to play with us still one injury will set us back some centuries. So it is not worth when things are bright forget this stupidity.
None of the players we lose are significant that is not what I am worried about, its just the flexibility to do other stuff that worries me. Thats why this is a bad trade. As it is I plan to see only when I have the final team in front of me this is definitely a big headache
From Ianazzone
“You can’t blame the Nuggets for holding out for the best deal – whether it’s getting additional draft picks from the Nets or taking back Renaldo Balkman and perhaps sending them Damion James.
If that’s what it takes for the Nets to get an agreement from the Nuggets they should do it. This may upset fans, who believe the Nets are giving up too much. Please look at their record. The Nets need this deal to happen. If not, they’ll make trades, but they won’t bring back a player of Anthony’s caliber.
The Nets will continue to come to an agreement with the Nuggets. That’s just one part of this whole thing. The Nets need that first. But they still will need an agreement from Anthony. As hard as this deal has been, you wonder if that will be harder."
EXACTLY. IT’S DAMION JAMES PEOPLE! WHO CARES!
Such a minor detail when so many more important pieces are coming back. I would actually rather trade Damion James and keep the first. It’s a more attractive piece to work with.
It's not that Damion James is being included....
It’s that first it was Murphy, Favors, and a pick or two for Melo…. And it’s snowballed into us getting jerked around for MONTHS while the rest of the league laughs and throws their bad contracts into the mix, all while there’s no end in sight. Damion James is just another roll of the snowball.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They should ask for Brook Lopez until the trade deadline
Are the Nets really going to choose Lopez over Melo?
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
The rest of the league?
It’s one contract. And a guy who has won a title with Billups. Could be so much worse people.
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
If this deal goes through and the Nets start winning, everyone needs to issue a public retraction.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
One contract?
Rip, Billups, Balkman, and Harrington…. At least.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Balkman could easily be bought out
His salary is not very high at all at $1.6M
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention....
Melo at 20+ mil a year, Outlaw at 7 a year, and Brook about to get a fat paycheck. All before the big lockout. There will be no money and no tradeable assets for the PG we will need once Billups is gone or for the gaping hole at PF once somebody else wins “The Decision: Kris Humphries Edition”.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Billups has a buyout option
He may be overpaid, but he’s a contributor.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would be happy if Damion James being included....
Was the one addition to the original deal. I think he’s gonna go the way of Outlaw and Bobby Simmons post-foot surgery. He didn’t look THAT athletic to begin with, foot surgery is just going to slow him down.
If they wanted him thrown in from the start, that’s one thing. It’s taking on the bad contracts and getting strung along to boost Melo’s price to the Knicks that’s the problem.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The Nets are not being taken advantage of in this regard.
The only players of substance are Harris, who everyone has deemed replaceable, Favors, a very very raw rookie that no one can project with any insurance and Morrow, a 7th/8th man at best on a championship team.
The rest are all spare parts. Including the picks. Petro, Uzoh, Graham, Ross, James? Who cares?
A mid-first round pick can be purchased during any draft according to Cuban. With Proky’s deep pockets, we could get what we need back like that.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't in our plans!
Nobody knows what “the plans” are, but Ryan Anderson wasn’t in them! That’s all that matters for some reason….
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Do you guys think the Leon Rose thing was bs?
Like him pushing for this deal to happen was real or not? If that is true i still dont understand why Melo wouldnt want to sign then. It makes no sense.
Speculation on Melo's wants
All speculation nonstop. Half the facts claimed by reporters are just assumptions and opinions repeated so many times that they require no facts to support them.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
maybe we will find out by the end of this week
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
The team was rebuilding... they were gambling... and they lose.
They cleaned the house for LeBron and get nothing back … oh wait.. OUTLOL and PETRO…graham
They cleaned house again …and lose again
forget melo
he isnt the type of player that can lead us to a chip….
we should move on to plan B which should look like this:
Vujacic the rockets and lakers picks for oj mayo….
draft Terrence Jones or Kyrie Irving
if we get jones then we sign Z-Bo
lopez
Z-bo
jones
mayo
harris
if we get irving trade harris for josh smith
lopez
favors
josh smith
oj mayo
irving…
Pull the plug and let's move on to Plan B
Let’s end this once and for all….the best way to signal that this Melo Drama is a wrap is to go out and do other deals. The assets we should use to do these deals are:
1. Murphy
2. D. Harris
3. 5 First Round Draft Picks
We should make it known to all other teams that Favors is OFF LIMITS. We need a Small Forward a Shooting Guard and a Point Guard. We should fill those needs as follows:
Option A – Trade Murphy and the Lakers No. 1 to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace
Option B – Trade D. Harris straight up for Monte Ellis (maybe throw in a couple of No 2’s and $3 million in cash)
Option C – If we can’t get Wallace and the Knick end up with Judas aka Carmelo Anthony, we should sign Wilson Chandler as a free agent (since the Knicks obviously won’t need him)
Option D – Draft a point guard amongst the following: Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker or Josh Selby
Possible Lineup:
Lopez
Favors
Wallace
Ellis
Irving
Not a championship team, but (by the time we get to Brooklyn) should be a playoff team
I agree
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
For future reference, NBA 2K11 is NOT a realistic game.
You can’t force the other team to make trades in real life.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In no way shap or form should we EVER sign Wilson Chandler
Has no value outside of D’Antoni’s system. Period.
We woulda traded him for 2 1st rounders anyway...
Don’t feel so down! Denver would want 1st round picks.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Cause the draft lottery is bull.
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
If we lose out on Melo
It may look bad now, but in the long run this may be the best thing that ever happened for the franchise. Whether he comes or not, the future is still bright for the Nets.
One hand: Melo, Billups, Rip etc, proven winners instilling a winning culture.
on the other hand: lots of draft picks and cap space to wheel and deal for better pieces.
This sounds eerily similar to what I’ve been saying for the past two weeks. Right on target Woj.
John what you think?
The Token Black-Jew
I've been waiting....
For aunt-B to come in with some lyrics that include “I told you so” for us… No such luck yet!
Don’t worry… there’ll be a miracle and Melo will sign his contract with gold ink and we’ll all live happily ever after soon enough…. Allegedly.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Is it bad if I made a promise to myself that if the Nets trade for Melo without an extension (even if he eventually signs it because he’s backed into a corner) I would convert to Knickism?
I mean, I’m born AND raised in Manhattan. There’s no reason for me to be a Nets fan, right? Right? Please.
The Token Black-Jew
Dont do it NB
We need all the fans we can get!
Fools Gold?
“Okay, so your heart is broken
You sit around mopin’
Cryin’ and cryin’
You say you`re even thinkin’ about dyin’
Well, before you do anything rash, dig this
“Everybody plays the fool sometime
There’s no exception to the rule
Listen, baby, it may be factual, may be cruel
I ain’t lyin’, everybody plays the fool”
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
by aunt-B on Jan 17, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Favors, Morrow, Harris, James, Uzoh, Grahm & 3 1st round draft picks for Melo, Billups & another Williams lol
by Lenin-Gil Phillips on Jan 17, 2011 9:05 PM EST reply actions
Two trades I worked out on trade machine don’t know if they would help but Harris straight up for Granger and Troy Murphy Anthony Morrow and some expiring contracts for Josh Smith and Mike Bibby
Bibby
Granger
Outlaw
Josh Smith
Lopez
At least it changes this sorry excuse for a team up
and have favors and hump on the bench??
if that trade would work we should switch hump or favors to center OR trade favors for some more players
collison had a 30 and 8 game today
he’s a second year point guard averaging 13/5/3. why would indy want harris when they have collison locked up for the next 3 years at just about $2million per year?
1. Pacers have Collison. They really don’t need Harris now. They’d be worse off and would likely kill their chances at the playoffs
2. Makes no sense for them. They wouldn’t mind a PG upgrade + a center if they were losing those guys. And they already have 2 good SG’s as it is.
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by strange-brew on Jan 17, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why the hell would Atlanta do that??
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I have absolutely no problem giving away 3 draft picks
as long as this year’s pick is lottery protected.
Fat chance !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Does anyone else agree with this statement?
I could handle the loosing provided we had a legitimate star that was on our team. Just one guy who you could get excited about and want to go to games to see. I’m sorry I know the potential is there but Derrick Favors doesn’t play like the 3rd pick in the draft. He moves very slowly and doesn’t have the wow factor I thought he would. We just need someone who will make you want to watch these games regardless of the outcome.
Favors does not have that star quality
And that’s why the Nets need Melo.
They do not have that closer that real contending teams have.
Prokhorov is correct that the NBA is a star driven league. He’s spot on regarding that.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
A star driven league it is....
But Melo and a bunch of scrubs does not equal a real contending team. JKidd, VC, and RJ plus a bunch of scrubs barely equaled a second round exit. We’ll be spinning tires with Melo and a bunch of junk.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're responding to a poster
who’s making a determination on a player who is 19 years old and a foreign owner of a team for 6 months who thinks he knows the league. Need I say more.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
By insinuating that I am making a determination on Favors means that you are implying the opposite as well
How do you know that Favors is going to be a bonafide star? It is 50/50 whether he may be star, or whether he will be the next Kwame Brown. You have ZERO idea. So don’t sound like you are such a genius, msm.
I think Favors has raw tools. No doubt. But does he have the head to be a dominant PF? I do no think so. What has he done to prove otherwise?
KG, Stoudemire and Duncan all have had that killer instinct since Day 1. Favors seems more content to pass off the ball, and I do not like that attitude from someone who is supposed to be a “star.”
“Stars” want the ball in their hands at all times. Period. Unless he is a PG with the god-given abilities of Magic Johnson and Jason Kidd, then he should command the ball more rather than stand around.
Regarding Prokhorov, what do you want in an owner? A Ratner-type or a Proky-type? I take the determined, shoot for the stars owner who resembles Cuban than one who is only here to move the team and rip it apart. Proky is trying to build a winner and I commend him for that.
Is it starting to get out of control? Yes. But how is it really his fault? The media has spiraled this out of control to the point where one hour fans are excited to the next minute fans wanting to kill each other.
Sure, the Nets missed out on LeBron, but so did the Knicks. And Chicago. And the Clippers. LeBron, Wade and Bosh dissed three major markets for a smaller market. I can’t blame Prokhorov for that, considering it was later leaked that all this has been arranged for the three of them since the Olympics.
They gave it a shot and it did not work. So what? The Nets had a plan in place:
A) Go after the franchise changing player – i.e. – LeBron, Melo etc. This team sucks. Period. And they need to start winning fast and gain some momentum for the move to Brooklyn. They NEED to be winning when they move there. They NEED a fan base.
B) Stay young, maintain flexibility and build through the draft.
Worst case scenario, the Nets stay the course. And the only people “embarrassed” are fans like you who blush over spilt milk and the media who have perpetuated this story every single day.
by ZR on Jan 17, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Imo Favors might have that star quality
because of his size and atheticsm. You have to agree at that Melo will never be a dominate defensive player, Favors might. It’s that kind talent that makes a winner which in turn will make him a star. The chances are long but it’s the best we got. It’s always about defense my friend not scoring stars.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
Might is the key word here
It is all a risk. With Carmelo, you get much more of a sure thing.
Players who had size and athleticism – off the top of my head – Kwame Brown, Michael Olowakandi, Greg Oden, Sam Bowie, Yinka Dare
What happened to them?
Talent may on occassion trump will and determination. Jordan may have had all the athletic gifts in the world, but if he was not a killer, he would never have been the player he is remembered to be.
If it's always about defense...
Are you content with Stephen Graham continuing to start?
Or like Trenton Hassell from last season?
That worked out well for the Nets…
Did you ever see me post that they were good defenders let alone good players?
BTW Oden is a player I would take a chance on. As far as the rest I’ve posted over the years what makes a good player and other than Oden none of the players you mentioned above despite their size and athleticism (Kandi, Bowie and Dare I don’t think were athletic) were good defensive players. Defense is the ability to influence shots. The hight of the jump, awarness and timing. Thats what I look for.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
We have to give more looks to Favors down low and in the post. He has to get comfortable taking some offensive pressure off the team. Look what Griffin is doing! Now I know Favors has a long way to go, but, he never gets the ball on the offensive end. All of his points come from put backs and alley oops.
LETS GO NETS!
no
who do you want?
JCrawford?
ZRandolf?
JGreen?
There is noon left
like Avery said
“nothing else unless LA wants to trade Kobe”
by DJ HeavyDuty on Jan 17, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wow factor ?
They wanted to get rid of Favors from day one !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
He looked like he could of been an explosive player coming out of college. Its just sad we didn’t wind up with Wall.
Wall is treated like the Golden Child...
Favors like crap !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
by aunt-B on Jan 17, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm embarrassed to admit that I am a Nets Fan.....
Anthony is making a fool of us…..He can Kiss my Touchas……Keep the Picks ,Please…..Keep Favors and James….Get Mark Jackson in here….Avery Sucks……
You really think Carmelo wants to play with the Knicks !
No way, he wants the Nets…
He loves the Nets , and will do anything in his power to get it done !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Alright
I am starting to get a bit worried about you aunt-B, just like I was worried about Mr Dollar Bills the other night. Don’t tell me that being a Nets fan has finally broken you??
Just the opposite!
Being a Nets fan has made me!
It’s made me realize that this team is worth fighting for no matter what! Life ain’t easy baby
and the quick fix soultions aren’t always the right solutions.
I came to this team via T-Will in the midst of turmoil and losing. It would have been easy to of jumped ship when Terrence got traded. I didn’t!… I love this team!!! I love the history of this team! I’m not going anywhere! There are better days ahead.
The Nets are worht fighting for! Who’s with me?
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
Lock Out
There is a chance that no basketball is played next season. This has to be factoring into a lot of players decisions as far as free agency and the melo situation. A true restart for this franchise if there is no basketball next season. Nothing like the lure of a brand new arena ( and team) to bring out the basketball-starved fans of Brooklyn. If hope this deal doesn’t go through just for the oportunity to see what team they put on that shiny new court after a year of rebuilding
by Chakroot on Jan 17, 2011 9:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
#fail
It’s only fitting as we approach the last couple seasons of the Nets being in NJ (or being named the Nets, for that matter) that we have one last embarrassment to remember the team by before they are renamed the "Ballers"’ or some other horrific name.
Safe to say, this is what we deserve for deliberately tanking a season and having guys like Yormark around.
We’ll always have Kidd to remember…
by JackTr1pper on Jan 17, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
just when you think denver is asking for too much
they ask for more! unbelievable…
denver’s FO is thinking hmm… we’ve been pushing them around this whole time so why stop now, have them send us
another first rounder… oh and damion james too while we’re at it.
this whole melo saga has us looking like complete fools…its time we take a stand and tell denver enough! we need melo just as bad as you need to trade him…the only difference is if we don’t get him we still have assets…if you don’t trade him, come next season you have nothing!
put things into perspective and stop being pushovers…
if at the end of the day they don’t want to trade melo to us or melo doesn’t want to come here then its better we know now because all this uncertainty is damaging to an already mentally defeated team.
Strike the Shepherd and the Sheep will Scatter
We can rebuild this team without Anthony....
First , we need to get rid of the crap…..Lopez , Harris , Outlaw , etc…And get the most we can for them…Keep our picks and draft smart……Get a New Coach or coaches….Avery’s motivational speeches are not cutting it…..
Where does it say that King has agreed to give up Damian James (for Balkman). And which extra pick has King agreed to?
I predicted all along that King was prepared to give up the LA pick in the end (it wouldn’t be useful for getting CP3 next year anyway). However, we weren’t told if it was the LA pick or the Houston 2012 pick (more valuable).
The Woj article says that Ujiri is asking for DJames, but doesn’t say that King has agreed.
The thing is, if we were keeping score, Ujiri would be ahead 10-1 on Billy King. King would be in a head-lock.
However, Ujiri will become a loser too, if by his delaying and asking for too much, that Melo rejects Nets.
Then Ujiri would be back to square #1 himself. Both King and Ujiri would be losers.
Which makes we wonder why Ujiri would be taking such a gamble to keep blackmailing the Nets, if the deal isn’t going to be completed this week. If Proky leaves without a contract, Ujiri becomes a loser too.
And finally, even though King is being held in a headlock, what is to prevent the Pistons from withdrawing RIP Hamilton??
Then everything would fall apart for Ujiri.
The truth is that both Ujiri and King/Proky are in danger of becoming a JOKE.
Except that Ujiri can end this mess himself by drawing up a contract that meets Nets satisfaction.
I didn't realize that it's a bad thing to have an owner dream and think big
The day Prokhorov officially became owner and stated that the Nets would win a championship in 5 years, who here was pissed about that, like a lot of you are now?
When Ratner was here and not willing to spend money and not go after players, who here was happy about that and knowing that Ratner didn’t care about this team?
Amazing how everyone is up in arms about Prokhorov “failing” to get LeBron/Bosh/Wade etc… last year when they had no intention of coming here…
I guess it’s Prokhorov’s fault that the Nets are not in Brooklyn yet, which would be a huge selling point to other players…
I guess it’s Prokhorov’s fault (and that he’ll be the joke of the league) for taking over a team with the stench of 12 wins last year, hasn’t been an owner for even a year, trying to do whatever he can to improve a team that has won 22 games over the last 123 games…
Gee, I didn’t know it was such a bad thing to do whatever you can to try to improve the team…but yet so many people are up in arms over it…why? Because this team sucks and as of right now players don’t want to come to a team that stinks and still a year away from Brooklyn, which ISN’T Prokhorov’s fault…
If you’re mad at him for “failing”, then start making signs asking for Ratner back. Me, I’d rather have an owner that will do whatever it takes to start winning (which isn’t happening right now, because I don’t think 10 wins is a successful season right now)…If you like having a cheap owner and all they want to do is cut costs, that’s fine, that’s your thing…
Get me a guy that wants to win and will put their best foot forward and will do whatever it takes to change the culture of this terrible team by trying to add a star player with the hopes of attracting other star players…which will hopefully lead to the utlimate goal…a Championship….
Because I’m sorry to inform you all of this…THIS TEAM STINKS…but it’s all Prokhorov’s fault …
by mills16 on Jan 17, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the offer is a complete joke
we could have gotten Bill Russell in his prime for what we are selling.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
which players that are included in the deal are bringing us a championship?
seriously…who?
all I see are trading away players that have won us a total of 22 games over the last year and a half….
But hey, if you think this group will eventually do it, or at the very least, get to a playoff and out of the lottery, then that’s your opinion and I respect it…
But for me, to watch every game and watch how bad this team is, that’s not happening any time and no other star player will want to be a part of that…
He shouldn't make basketball decisions at this time
He doesn’t know the NBA and the way we are persuing Melo is a joke imo. I could live with the bold statements, the way Ryan says with the Jets. The difference is Ryan knows what a winner is and he has a winner. Proky is not that knowledgeable about basketball now and bought a 12 win team. He loses his credibility when he says we will makes the playoffs this year and we have 10 wins in January.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
He owned a championship Russian team in CSKA Moscow
Which is very respected throughout the international community. He knows the game. He just has to get adjusted to the NBA.
So, by your standards, the Nets should not make any moves? Because he does not know the league yet…so we should be stagnant for two-three years? Good call…that will get us closer.
My god what else do we have to hear from “fans?” You know, for how bad the Nets have been, you would think that Net fans would be grateful for management that finally cares more about putting a winner on the floor than cutting costs and expenses.
But I guess too many people are picky to realize how lucky we are to have him.
It's called patience
Keep the picks, grow your players and aquire the talent it takes to win. Proky’s money is only good based on how he spends it on the talent he puts on the court.
The Russian team had no cap restriction if I am correct. He could afford to make mistakes. I read he had another team and thought he had the best players and when he didn’t win he blamed it on chemistry. Imo it’s NEVER about chemistry, it’s always about talent.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
I cannot believe I just heard someone say it's never about chemistry
WOW.
That’s the line of the night.
Tell that to the Spurs. Or the championship Pistons in the mid-2000s. Or LeBron and Wade during the beginning of the season.
It’s ALWAYS about chemistry.
Look at the Nightmare Team at the Olympics in 2004. All the talent in the world but no glory. Why is that? No chemistry.
You stick with chemistry, I'll stick with the right talent.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
European basketball and the NBA are 2 completely different worlds. There is no cap room nor draft in European basketball. In Europe, anyone who has the money can get all the stars they want. I think Proky must think he can do the same here. He may be the richest owner in all of professional sport, but Dave D was right. He’s NBA dumb.
also
in European basketball, when you trade for a player you don’t have to give up other players, just pay the amount of money that his team asks for. You don’t hurt your team or lose talent when making a trade.
It’s completely different than the NBA. And it’s easier to win just with the money.
trade some players is one thing
trading every player is another. none of them are bringing us a championship individually. hate to break it to you but neither is Melo.
Morrow and James are 2 guys that would be key components on a competitive ball club. To already have one in the mix is understandable. But to call Denver’s bluff and add James is just pure desperation and completely embarrassing.
Please explain to me why Carmelo would want to be apart of a team that doesn’t have the brass to say “enough is enough.” We are a pathetic franchise and we look worse and worse with each passing day.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
Next up on Idiots Weekly, a new drama series
“Chris Paul Palooza”, immediately following hit series “Melo Drama”
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
With each new Nets offer for Melo...
I die a little on the inside.
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
Melo Trade
If Melo does not want to come, we need to move on immediately. There are opportunities. What about going after Mayo if Memphis wants to deal him? We’d get to keep a lot of the assets and still get a guy who can play.
At this point, Denver is bending us over to see how much more they can get. Let’s get this over one way or another.
Scott Hastings, the TV voice of the Nuggets claimed
Teams don’t trade a player to a team they will soon play.
They wait until after to make the deal
Just a thought.
2 more weeks? doubt it
the game is in Jersey too, not Denver.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 17, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
They do that it's Feb
you really think Melo want start to excerise his leverage knowing he just has a two weeks and some days till the trade deadline??
No way….
That is crazy
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just wondering all the fans out there
who are loving Melo. If he goes to the Knicks do you change everything positive you said about him and erase all the good things you said about him?
Just curious
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 9:27 PM EST reply actions
Ill still be a fan of Melo
Not a knicks fan but I do like Amare and Melo. Plus im a UNC fan so i like Felton too
Similar I like Amare since his rookie year
plus him being a huge Makaveli fan is a plus
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Youth is great
when you draft a great player….. when looking at the model…OKC….. drafting a superstar (KDurant) and stud (RWestbrook) help….. if OKC didnt have those two…. its irrelevant
but not everyone can draft a stud , let alone a superstar
exactly....and they got lucky that they drafted Durant...
If they had the #1 pick, would they had drafted Oden?
Lucky also that Portland drafted Oden and Durant was there for him…
Lots of luck when it comes to the draft…
Melo has already proven himself…I like sure things…
My feelings have always been neutral about Melo......
But the way he has been treating the Nets lately…….I hate him with a passion…….
I'm hoping this Melo ish...
gets resolved this week. Would like to have him but if he says no, atleast the Nets can move on and concentrate on some other moves.
If we wait for him to say NO ,that's really gonna Mop the Floor with this Franchise.....
I say enough with the BS…..DROP OUT NOW……
Before the deadline
Somethings gotta happen. People are basically asking for our entire team to be exchanged for another. Its not possible but I wish it could happen.
“So Melo are signing the extension with the Nets?” Nets Management
“I keeping my options open.” Melo
“Ok we`ll get more picks & offer them Sasha too then next weekend” Nets
“I don`t want to talk to anybody, I didn`t get a call from Josh or Masai yet,” Melo
by Lenin-Gil Phillips on Jan 17, 2011 9:30 PM EST reply actions
We will be saying where is DA
one thing for sure the longer nothing happens the more I told you so articles we get from Chris Sheridan
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 9:35 PM EST reply actions
DA needs to check his sources.
There is a big difference between Nets requesting a meeting with Melo and Nuggets formally agreeing to a meeting.
Will Netsdaily be offering
psychotherapy sessions ??
because all of us need it after all this nonsense……sighh
I think Ujiri will make a deal with King in next 24 hrs. He has no choice either (I explained above).
The question is whether it would be worth it, if Nets end up having to lose DJames and the Houston pick, and take back Balkman’s 5 million contract, on top of everything else?
And if Melo ends up signing extension, it would probably be just to satisfy Lala (IMO).
Melo would hold his nose and sign.
Kansas at Baylor tonight on ESPN
Perry Jones !
Founder of - The Official Keep Johan Petro in NJ Movement
We need to rely on melo to say NO
Because this decimated team won’t help him of his proclaimed goals of a title and money… Wait no just the title… And playing for his hometown… But maybe not his real hometown… Oh and the money too. And whatever else my representation decides is necessary
by Chakroot on Jan 17, 2011 9:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
For people who want Carmelo is has !
For the rest of us it’s paradise !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
I'm sure you have your reasons
but watching them lose at this rate is tough. paradise isn’t the word that comes to mind.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 17, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
You can't get to heaven ...
till you gone through hell !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
If this goes down
All will be forgiven…watch
If it doesnt it will be a disaster.
Every player being offered has major drawbacks.
the writing is on the wall
nets orginazation and fans need to realize melo has all but flat out said he doesn’t want to sign on the dotted line for the nets
"I don't know where all this Nets stuff came from, man. What am I going to meet with (Prokhorov) for?'' - Carmelo Anthony
KEEP FAVORS IN NJ
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 17, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Where the heck did youget that info from?
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
“I don’t know where all this Nets stuff came from, man. What am I going to meet with (Prokhorov) for?’’ – Carmelo Anthony
"I don't know where all this Nets stuff came from, man. What am I going to meet with (Prokhorov) for?'' - Carmelo Anthony
KEEP FAVORS IN NJ
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 17, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
He also mentioned the Knicks, and 3-4 other teams
He’s dealing with false rumors and saying it’s not up to him,
it’s up to his agents and the teams to work things out
Bro are you serious right now what did youexpect him to say
“Man i cant wait to meet Proky on tuesday or wednesday, He looks like a amazing guy, Cant wait to go to Jersey and play for a real owner you guys know what i mean(reporters laughing)”
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently you missed the interview with ESPN
Everything else is based on “sources” which are meaningless
A captain should go down with the ship...
But when is enough, enough? Do you honestly think we are benefitting from this trade? You don’t think there’s a chance we’re being taken for a ride?
by Chakroot on Jan 17, 2011 9:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I realize i'm in the minority here
But I think it was dumb to dump VC thinking we needed space for 2 max contracts. Guy can still play and we’d still be mildly competitive with him. It would make selling the team to other players easier. VInce was a natural leader and had devin and brookie ballin. Remember the game where he told Brook he’s the biggest guy on the court and to start playing like it? Could you imagine Devin or Outlol doing that?
"I don't know where all this Nets stuff came from, man. What am I going to meet with (Prokhorov) for?'' - Carmelo Anthony
KEEP FAVORS IN NJ
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 17, 2011 9:43 PM EST reply actions
if i were proky
i’d just buy the nuggets…trade melo to the nets for a 2nd rounder and murphy…
then sell the team
by netsball on Jan 17, 2011 9:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Prokhorov should buy the Nuggets, Hornets, and Pistons. Then have King rope in another 3 teams to make historical 6 team trade
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
Wait a sec .... Wasn't this "95% done"?
Or “in the red zone” or " Nets have permission to speak to Melo" or " imminent"? The only one’s looking worse than the Nets and Nuggets are the media. They have made fools of themselves with their sources. You wonder if some of these scathing articles are a way for them to save face and hide their own failings throughout this process.
by nynjlawyer on Jan 17, 2011 9:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
very, very good point
i never looked at it like that
"I don't know where all this Nets stuff came from, man. What am I going to meet with (Prokhorov) for?'' - Carmelo Anthony
KEEP FAVORS IN NJ
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 17, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I he does sign
a lot of these journalists will be exposed. In the very least there sources will be questionable.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 17, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
which makes the last few days even more ridiculous. ESPN has surprised me the most, in the way they are trying to spin perception.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 17, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Deal is 95% done
The media is bored, so there bringing up all the negative stuff to makepeople like us fall for it and think melo doesnt want to come. Since the trade talks have gotten private they dont have sources telling them what other players are involved
Deal will go down tomorrow Night
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Got a prediction?
do you think it will be done before friday?
by Rodney Buford on Jan 17, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
As a nugget fan
Do you feel Melo’s comments/tone in his quotes last night was due more to having no interest in the nets or just frustration at a bad game for himself and the team AND impatience with having to answer the same questions over and over again??
I might be to cocky but its happening tomorrow, remember we couldnt done from friday to today because we were on road, so watch your going to be watching sportscenter and then you see breaking news Melo traded to the nets, you going tobe suprised
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have been saying all along recently, that the final details of the trade are what is holding things up.
Everyone has been focusing on Melo, when all along it was clear to me that it was Ujiri/Kroenke delaying and asking for more.
I have also been saying that the only think that could stop them is for Melo (his agent) to threaten not to sign extension if the demands get too excessive.
It looks like King has already giving into the 3rd pick (I expected him to give into the LA pick, but not the Houston pick).
And I have high hopes for DJames, so I would be very upset if he was traded too.
Nevertheless, I predict a contract within 24 hours, but the question is whether it will be worth it (as far as making the team better than it would have been, had Melo just stayed in Denver).
I going to take a wild guess and say they have the deal in place but are waiting for tomorrow;’s meeting
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't call it a deal if King gave up the Houston pick as well as DJames for Balkman.
I call it highway robbery.
And maybe Nuggets are holding out for a Harrington for Vujacic separate deal?
YES - regarding the focus of this situation
Another one sees the truth here. There is no deal yet! So there is no meeting! Everything is pure spec! Woj’s article is an opinion piece!
Jesus, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading some of what has been stated tonight.
Save Face Move
Ok, none of us know the truth of this…but assume the truth is, we have acted without knowledge that Melo is signed on and now we face the reality that he wont….after being told he would be Rose and being strung along by the Nuggets for God knows what reason…
Ok assume all this is true….
Then what I would do…I would go to my plan B trade, even if it wasnt a “home run” and make it now, before Melo turning us down becomes public. The trade could be for any number of players at the level of Iggy, Mayo, etc..(not that I really want these two at all) and this trade would include a chip or two needed for the Melo trade.
Then I am quoted in the paper the next day saying “We made a great offer to the Nuggets, they couldnt get their act together…we waited long enough for them”
The question I have, is why would Ujiri/Kroenke be delaying/blackmailing Nets unless they expect Melo to sign extension?
Otherwise Ujiri/Kroenke would be bigger idiots than Billy King. At least we know why King is acting the way he is! What is Nuggets excuse?
Ujiri/Kroenke are the ones who are gambling, with the possibility of losing out on a great offer, if Melo wouldn’t sign extension.
That is the most optimistic reasoning I can think of.
Logic therefore says that there will be a contract drawn up within 24 hours.
It is call protecting backside
when they accept Eddy Curry and the Knicks 1st in 2038 and 2040 they want to say we really tried, we did a great job, we were getting 13 1st from the Nets … but Melo would not agree to the trade
Brook: And, and then… Mickey came out and took pictures with us and he gave us all Mickey ears and mine had my name on it!!!! Then Coach took it away and put it up on top of the rim and said I won’t be allowed to wear them until I can jump up and grab them."
Official member of the *NetsDaily Has Too Many Movements* Movement.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Please God; Make Carmelo a Net, or my life will be over !
God: Grow up ! LOL
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
This will go all the way to the trade deadline.
-Denver doesn’t want to give Melo to the knocks
-But they don’t like what we are giving
Stalling will almost guarantee them a draft pick from us and if Melo won’t sign then most likely he’ll be going to the Knicks as a free agent.
Something that you guys are missing is Morrow, James, and Murphy. Lets imagine all of them are back and can play some minutes. This basically would remove ross and graham from the rotation and Murphy could start instead of Favors.
I know this sounds like a bad idea, but as far as things are going Favors is best get 5 minutes from the bench no more no less. I also know that Humphries has been solid but have we ever seen Murphy start? Ever, not even once did he start. If he starts, gets reasonable amount of minutes he can probably give us 10 pts and less rebounds than Humphries which will give Lopez some room as well.
Plus if Morrow was back I bet we would’ve won 2 of these games rather than 0. He instantly adds 10-15 points and despite his defense its better than Graham getting scored on by Ellis and only providing 4 points. James coming off the bench so we can develop him, and we shouldn’t be to bad next year when we draft good players and if we remain healthy.
There is no coming back for Murphy. He is done, will never wear a Net uniform again.
by power_njerz on Jan 17, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I got a feeling
and its just a feeling this trade is going to come out ofnowhere and were all going tobe suprised because everyone expected it done in feb. thats whyi say it happens tomorrow
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be surprised if there isn't a contract on the table tomorrow.
But getting it signed is another matter. Maybe they will all get it done in secret, because after all the assets that Nets would be giving up, I could just see all the reports and tweets, saying how Melo shouldn’t sign, because he wouldn’t win a championship.
Yeah this trade will hit us by surprise
Like most trade usually does, words leak the day the trade is announce ,,, so Denver trading Melo to Spurs/Knicks/Yankees/Suns should hit us when we least expects it
Nba was better before the internet.
Us fans were not involved in the intricacies of Nba trades. We just rooted for our teams and didnt know who was unhappy or who wanted to be traded. One day you would just wake up to the news in the paper. Knowing every little quote and phone call is making me crazy and I dont seem to have the self control to stop paying attention!!
I NEED HELP!!!!!
by power_njerz on Jan 17, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions 13 recs
not to mention
Everyone trying to break every leaked detail first through twitter.
by Rodney Buford on Jan 17, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
+3
I used to read Dave D. (in a hard copy newspaper, remember those?). That’s how I would keep up with the Nets. And I would find out about league-wide NBA rumors via his Sunday article. I still remember being disappointed the first time I bought the Sunday paper only to find out that feature of Dave’s had been discontinued. It was a more peaceful, innocent time, or so it seemed. In a sense, ignorance is bliss.
The Russians' and Yormark's handling of trade rumors have destroyed the 2010-2011 Nets. Even if we win a gazillion championships in Brooklyn, their destruction of the 10-11 Nets will always be on their resume.
Avery took away Brook's comic books: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqyS2SEPjIc&feature=player_embedded
I'm working on a 32 team/84 player mega deal on ESPN's trade machine right now
I’ll post when finished. Net Income forward to Billy King/Proky plz…
wtf? lol
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
Official Member of the "MELO, PLEASE MAKE YOUR DECISION" Movement
Just tweet Melo.
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by JohnFromLongIsland on Jan 17, 2011 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The thing is, even if we read about a contract being drawn up, I don't think we would believe it at this point.
Reporters have been wrong so many times.
As usual, Woj is over the top
with some truth underlying the rhetoric…
To suggest “If the Nets truly need to sell Carmelo Anthony on accepting the trade and signing a contract extension, they’re a bigger lost cause than they’ve ever been” is silly. The team was 12-70 less than a year ago, after assistant coaches were given a choice of taking a pay cut or have one of their number get fired; after the scouting staff was decimated; after one quarter of the staff was laid off and the rest put on Friday furloughs, after the FO was told it could not take an extra dollar in salary commitments in any trade?
Oh for the good old days under Ratner. The Nets have been a joke for all but a very few years of their existence. Spare me. Horrible arena, filled with other teams fans, great and less great players complaining about the fanbase.
Prokhorov wants to make a splash. Why shouldn’t he? The team is a disaster, the franchise is a disaster…and he has spent a HALF BILLION DOLLARS so far to try to fix it. . He can do whatever he wants to do.
The addition of three players with great records of winning at the college, NBA and international level should change the culture as much as the addition of Kidd did.
Some here (and Woj) would prefer an owner who takes less risks. It was risky to push the Blueprint for Greatness. It was risky to go after the best players after going 12-70. It was risky to buy the damn team.
As for trade, yeah, the Nets have given in, but at the end of the day if it works, it changes the franchise. It gives the team a certain credibility. It would also cost Prokhorov a net of $82 million over the course of the contracts involved.
I’d like for it to go down yesterday or be terminated yesterday but I am not going to complain about a guy who gone along with every request, from upgrading hotels on the road and new video editing equipment to spending adding new assistant coaches, new scouts, buying into a D-League team, providing $650,000 in partial guarantees, etc., etc.
WOW. He’s been owner for EIGHT months…and we don’t have a superstar. I hope some of you guys never want to play poker. Because if you do, you would lose your shirt, your car, your house in about 20 minutes.
by Net Income on Jan 17, 2011 10:24 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
BEST POST OF THE NIGHT
Thank you, for reiterating what I had said earlier to posters like msm, who seem to be ignoring some fundamental issues here.
the fundamental issue
is that teams that spend money have a tendency to win.
Knicks were an exception because they had the worst managers in the history of sports. The Spurs are the opposite, but for the most part, teams run by billionaires do well.
And you cant compare Prokhorov with Cuban. Mark Cuban is unique. He is an investor. He doesnt have a corporate empire to run. He has all the time in the world to run the Mavs..which lose an enormous amount of money.. Prokhorov has a huge corporate empire and he is a Russian so he spends time in Russia. What did people expect? He would take up residence in Brooklyn?
by Net Income on Jan 17, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Thats the point
The worst managers simply made bad decisions. It didn’t make a difference how much money they had. It’s like Opie when he knew the game as well as anyone and a couple of bad decisions regarding putting players in a position to succeed offset alot of what he knew.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
When owners are making basketball decisions whats the difference?
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
the guy has owned the team for eight months
I guess you are of the opinion that hanging on to the players who have given us 22 wins out of 123 games is the right choice.
I am not. The Nuggets with Melo haven’t lost more than four games in a row since the 2006-07 season. Billups, player of the week out West two weeks ago, has more wins that any other player in the NBA over the last seven years. Hamilton, in spite of lower minutes is averaging what he has averaged for his career on a 36 minute basis.
And other than their own picks, the Nets other first round picks were acquired in trades for those all time greats: Marcus WIlliams (the Warrior pick) Joe Smith (the Laker pick) and Terrence Williams (the Rocket pick).
Good man.........
NOW THAT’S TELLING THEM! Couldn’t have put that ANY better myself!
Official Member of the 'Devin Must Go!' Fan Club
by CyberRambro on Jan 17, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
You guessed wrong.
The issue is not what I would hold onto, it’s what you’re going after, how, why and what you’re giving up.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
The Knicks were one of the teams that spent most over the past decade. For what? It really doesn’t matter if you don’t know how to use your resources.
Maybe Woj is upset b/c he's been one of the few that have been "in front" of a lot of these stories
and he feels like this is the quickest way to regain credibility?
I agree Proky is the kind of owner you want.
However what is plan B???
Who do you think they go after if Melo doesnt accept. Any names floating? I doubt we still do the Murphy/Hamilton deal.
by power_njerz on Jan 17, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
there is no "Murphy Hamilton deal"
its just a sideshow.
Harris and Murphy would likely be traded quickly. Harris and JOhnson are now at loggerheads. You will read about that tomorrow.
Oh for god sake. I hope my internet gets shut off soon. I can take much more.
by power_njerz on Jan 17, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we hear about a Melo contract on the table, before we hear about Harris and Avery being at odds.
The thing about Harris is, that even if he is traded to Denver, they would be looking to trade him again, even if Coach Karl prefers Harris to Lawson.
What is this Harris/Avery beef?
You can tell by Harris’ body language he has a lot going on upstairs
Harris and Murphy would likely be traded quickly. Harris and JOhnson are now at loggerheads. You will read about that tomorrow.
shocking
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by MrDollarBills on Jan 18, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Plan B
Develop the young players, utilize picks and ride the storm.
For now, at least. And as it has been since the beginning of the season.
denver must be salivating at the thought of acquiring him
"I don't know where all this Nets stuff came from, man. What am I going to meet with (Prokhorov) for?'' - Carmelo Anthony
KEEP FAVORS IN NJ
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 17, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
If there is a time to trade him, it's now then isn't it
If his offensive game does not develop, looks like we’ve got Stromile Swift 2.0. FANTASTIC.
+10000
Nets fans make me sick to my stomach at times
Lets Rebuild, Keep Favors, Trade is to much etc etc
What Nets fans need to do is put your self in prokys shoes
1.Your going to brookyln NY why continue adding young players? nobody in ny has time for rebuilding look at the mets the met fans dont like it but they have no choice, but thats why that stadium will be empty all year
2.How do you not want Melo on this team? Hes going to attract FA’s and make the nets a top team in the east once the puzzle is put together, Is favors going to attract FA"s in 5 yrs from now NO
Lets stop the crying, We have a owner who actually cares, hes not be desperate like some people like to say hes trying to put a winning product on the court, the thing that will be funny is in 4-6 yrs fromnow when the nets are probably a top team in the east and competing with the heat peopleare going to forget about favors and harris and morrow and thank proky forthe hard work he has done simple as that
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
...and if he winds up in a Knicks uniform
Brooklyn gets set back years. He is playing defense as well as offense.
You underestimate Brooklyn.
Brooklyn will sell out that arena as long as the team that plays there (BTW it won’t be called the Nets) gets press, which by all means Prok and company are EXCELLENT at getting. Yes, playoffs will give the franchise and arena longevity, but until Brooklyn gets this team, Prok doesn’t have to truly worry about that.
Remember, Brooklyn is the reset button
So areyou saying
Current Team +More Lottery pick guys and No Melo= Sell outs in brooklyn?
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
initally yes
but if you want to attract the big bucks, teh CORPORATE SUITE money, you had better have marquee players. It isnt about packing the stands, it’s about season tickets and corporate suites.
by Net Income on Jan 17, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Poker?!? You think Prokhorov played a strong poker game against Kroenke?
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
by 3ptChucker on Jan 17, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Woj: "Even so, no one bought into the myth of Mikhail Prokhorov the way they did within that forlorn franchise. ". So, Woj is not familiar with Mr Income?
by ispartan on Jan 17, 2011 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can You Please post this as a fanpost
Everyone needs to read this comment…. EVERYONE
by blazin pp face on Jan 18, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
I have been told
1) expect nothing this week.
2) Nets are less optimistic
3) the draft picks would be 2011 Nets pick, the 2013 Nets pick and one of the other acquired in trades, 2011 Laker pick, the 2012 Warrior pick or the 2012 Rocket pick.
great news all around, then?
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’d rather give them the GS pick and get the damn thing over with. The longer we wait, the worse THIS year’s pick will be.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 17, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
"Nets are less optimistic"
is clearly a horrible sign since they were pretty “optimistic” after their meeting with LeBron.
by KeithVanBread on Jan 17, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
people like to talk to me.
I am a very charming guy…and the draft stuff can be extrapolated from Kerber’s blog post.
people like...
In Soviet Russia, Nets Cheer For You!
by NetsMets4Life on Jan 17, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Woow so no trade by tomorrow? This really sucks
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't there a deadline?
I say we start pulling out pieces. This has gone too far now, and Uriji is gong to lose everything the longer he waits.
I say for each week, he loses one more draft pick.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
This is all Fred Kerber fault
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
King doesn't have the balls
Denver would know we are bluffing. It’s already obvious throughout the league that we are ultra desperate, that’s why they are playing us.
by NYCfanman on Jan 17, 2011 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Words to live by ...
Don Corleone: [to Michael] So, Barzini will move against you first. He’ll set up a meeting with someone that you absolutely trust, guaranteeing your safety. And at that meeting, you’ll be assassinated.
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
THIS is the business we've chosen!
Words for Nets fans to live by.
So this still isnt done...
but for all of you guys that think Mikhail is a bad thing, shame on YOU! Ratner should be blamed, Mikhail is stuck trying to recreate a winning mentallity. He is here cleaning up the crap Ratner left.
What ever pitch yormark and ratner gave...
I bet Proky is having second thoughts
Section 2 @ the Rock
Interesting
NBA rules prohibit you from not having a pick for 2 consecutive years right? So if the knicks were to move someone from a 2012 pick that means they can trade their 2011 and 2013 pick. Just something to watch for.
If we don’t get Melo, what moves could you see the front office making?
by NYCfanman on Jan 17, 2011 10:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Larry coon, capologist from ESPN
LarryCoon Correct. RT @original_ARI: if they trade for 2012 pick,all of a sudden they have 2011(or HOU) & 2013 pick to trade
about 1 hour ago
by NYCfanman on Jan 17, 2011 10:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Capologist for ESPN.
LarryCoon Correct. RT @original_ARI: if they trade for 2012 pick,all of a sudden they have 2011(or HOU) & 2013 pick to trade
about 1 hour ago
by NYCfanman on Jan 17, 2011 10:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i believe the rockets have their 2011 pick
"I don't know where all this Nets stuff came from, man. What am I going to meet with (Prokhorov) for?'' - Carmelo Anthony
KEEP FAVORS IN NJ
by William_H_HOLLA on Jan 17, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
The Rockets can swap picks in 2011
but it now appears that the Knicks pick will be outside the lottery and the Rockets pick will be inside it, so Rockets wont be doing that swap.
The Knicks 2012 pick is in the hands of the Rockets, protected top pick only.
wow how people
opinion on Woj changes in a day
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:42 PM EST reply actions
how so?
not doubting but I want to know what has lead to him being a credible journalist to the opinion many nets fans have about him tonight
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
sorry that you dont understand
you can like a writer and respect him but that doesnt mean you have to like EVERYTHING he writes.
I dont like Lupica but I agree with some of what he writes. I like Woj but I disagree with what he writes and moreover, I would suggest you got back a week and you will see he has changed his mind.
wrong I totally understand I was going on
that.
the thing is two days ago I seen certain net fans saying he is very credible don’t believe nothing until he or Al reports it.
This piece comes out and the same fans are saying he knows nothing about what’s going on.
I would point that out but that would be immature.
I totally understand liking someone and don’t agree with everything they say. I feel the same way about Obama, Tavis Smiley and even Huey P Newton.
I agree with many points Woj said and some things I did not.
My point is with some Net fans their is no middle ground.
If you don’t believe Melo will be a Net you are either a Knick fan or on their pay roll.
Just found that revelation interesting.
Is all
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
again, you dont understand
the difference between an opinion piece, or a commentary which this clearly is, and news.
@NetIncome
Are they less optimistic due to Melo’s willingness to extend or less optimistic that a trade will go down in the short term?
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any chance...
…King gets axed after just one season so Proky and organization can save face?
by Versifiervt on Jan 17, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
not saying that anyone should be fired...
…but if the organization gets embarrassed after all this mess, maybe someone takes the fall?
by Versifiervt on Jan 17, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not really King's fault
More on Prokhorov for pushing King to do it. But I can’t really be upset with Prokhorov for trying to put a winner on the floor.
Also, major negative points to the Nuggets FO and CAA. They have little to no respect from me if this deal falls apart entirely.
That bull.
If anyone should be fired it should be Ujiri because he kept piling on when they could have agreed to a deal. If Melo is not gone by the deadline he should be axed.
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by NetsMets4Life on Jan 18, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Good Night Boys !
I learned one thing tonight, if you confront Knick Trolls they run !
Down South, men protect their women folk…
But I guess up North it’s different !
Well, tomorrow is another day…
Good night and sweet dreams !
"That's life...I tell ya, I can't deny it
I thought of quitting baby...But my heart just ain't gonna buy it"
"protect women folk" is fancy talk for keeping them under lock & key
just look at the Taliban
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
This just in:
Nets agree to trade:
Brook
Humphries
Devin
Favors
Outlaw
Sasha
Farmar
Petro
Morrow
Murphy
Ross
James
along with five first round picks
AND 5 million in cash
for
Anthony
Billups
Shelden Williams
we also get Hamilton from Detroit
and get to keep Graham and Uzoh
Hey, but, atleast we are the winners of this deal!
LETS GO NETS!
Sources say we keep Outlaw also.
by NYCfanman on Jan 17, 2011 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
@ Netincome - How did you aquire the job you have?
And do you talk to players, or reporters directly?
That's a more optimistic % than I expected you to give.
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Net Income
so nothing is going to happen this week? and if not when is the timetable for it getting done if it does?
you're good in my book too nets 131
it was more a comment on the randomness of your names being right in a row, then followed up by a bad joke
I agree and this as many others have said will be a deadline trade
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I mean I live in Houston
before the social media. I would have to go on the Internet just to get insider info from a Netsinsider.
Now all I need is my phone
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
no I think times have just changed
with twitter especially. We are updated every second. before people had to read newspapers. Now all you have to do is pick up your phone.
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
yep
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
schadenfreude...
…maybe Mello gets his wish to be with Knicks. Then there’s lockout next season. Then when NBA returns the following season, Steve Kerr’s 3 year prediction of Amare’s knees comes to fruition. And because of the lockout, Mello gains weight…Shawn Kemp style and is never the same again…schadenfreude.
I don’t normally hope for bad things to anyone, but right now, I’m just a frustrated nets fan and I really don’t mean it.
If we don't get Melo
we have to just hope he extends with Denver.
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I think that has shipped as well
what will be will be. We can only focus on what we do from here on.
I wonder what players are on the nets radar.
who is on the block
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
this sucks
i REALLY want melo to come to the nets, i will be really disappointed if he doesnt after all of this
NI is reporting it no expected to happen this week
Then why have a meeting Proky/Melo now if the trade only happens in feb?
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 11:00 PM EST reply actions
Melo is probably bidding time
if a meeting goes down how much you want to bet he asks to give him time to think it over.
for melo it’s getting to Feb
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
That would make no sensefor melo
This isnt no Free Agency, where you have days to think about it. Proky needs a answer right when he leaves and if im melo Why not give a answer now so the trade goes down now so he has a chance to make the playoffs this year? there is still time to make a run, making a decision in feb hurts his chances at making the playoffs and it helps the nuggets why give nuggets a high lottey pick?
To All the Haters: We Told Ya So!!!
At Small Foward Number 15 Carmelo Anthony
by Wall2KingJames on Jan 17, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Because he wants to play for the Knicks.
He is in no rush to get here.
by NYCfanman on Jan 17, 2011 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
because there is a chance that
Melo has a motive that is not in the Nets or Nuggets best interest but his best interest.
Melo has is giving the Nuggets hope they convince him to stay.
“I never said I want to leave” " I bled on this court"
Melo has given the Nets hope: you can take any quote from the interview Friday
I know one thing in the end Melo will do what’s best for himself as did Lebron and other players.
The longer this drags on the closer they get to the deadline where Denver will no longer be worried about getting the best deal for Melo but just getting something.
then Melo can play his hand. and give them an ultimatum.
I said this last sunday.
When Melo said he didn’t see the trade happen last week he said he had his reason why but did not want to elaborate
Melo has his own plan right now.
The trade has to go down this week. If not this week he will not be moved till the deadline
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 17, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
ok, but what reason in the world
could melo have for stringing the nets along. just say from the start, nets are not an option, and we would’ve been spared this mess. he told other teams that, and he gains absolutely nothing from keeping the nets hopes alive if he has no intention to even consider them.
imagine something extremely witty here
here's my problem that i need you to answer for me killa
why, if carmelo anthony knew the entire time he absolutely would not sign an extension with the nets, wouldn’t he just tell denver that from the gate?
he has nothing to gain by stringing the nets along. he didn’t want his image hurt like LBJ, so why do it?
imagine something extremely witty here
he could be somewhat interested
if the Knicks weren’t playing well/weren’t somewhat interested
Of if Lopez was playing better and Harris looks more like a PG… he would be interested
I'm flying into Denver on Feb 23rd for a wedding actually
I’m almost positive Melo is waiting for me to come so he can hi-five me at the airport on his way to EWR…
Heard the latest Denver Demand
Proky’s Jet and 5 prostitutes
some posters here.. never cease to amaze me
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
Maybe Brook and Robin secretly switch teams every week
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I'm not trying to politicize this debate at all, BUT
These new supposed “super teams” really are the next step in the evolution of the NBA. They actually mirror current events in today’s global economy. Look at it this way, due to technology, and the rapid pace and volume in which information is disseminated the pressure to win is now greater than it ever has been. Players are beginning to realize, due to fierce competition, the only true way to ensure winning is to collude and plan together. Unfortunately this will leave about 90% of the teams in the dust.
Normally I’m a left leaning pro-labor kinda guy, but in this unique situation I am pro-ownership. For teams like the Nets to stay relevant we do need a new cba. Its crazy I’m actually on the owner’s side here. Even though for complete different reasons. They want more money and I just want my team to have a chance….
Prokhorov strongly believes in teh super team
remember, he predicted the week before, before Broussard, that the threee of them would play together then wrote the letter to the editor of USA Today, defending them, saying:
“The players are signed, the “Decision” is made, but the passions around this year’s extraordinary class of NBA free agents refuses to die down. What surprises me is the amount of negative commentary directed at the three top free agents (especially LeBron James) who decided to play on the same team and to create a great franchise together. Of course, any club owner dreams of having those players, including me, but all questions of how the announcements were made aside, I respect their choice, and no one has the right to judge them."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/letters/2010-07-29-letters29_ST2_N.htm
I'm not denying that it could help us in the future
Afterall proky is the wealthiest owner on the board of govenors.
However, maybe proky is now beginning to realize that things in the nba are not always the way they seem, and also not to friendly to newcomers (especially when they take over the reigns of one of the lest successful franchises) I think there’s no way that he thought chasing melo would be nearly as tough and stressful as it has been. I also would bet he didn’t think that he would start alienating his fan base 7 or months on the job.
Personally I think Proky is the best thing to ever happen to this franchise. I also believe 5 years to a ‘ship is going to have to be revised. I’m still keeping my fingers crossed for melo, and if it happens all will be forgotten just like that, but I have certainly grown much more pessimistic since Al broke everything 2 wknds ago…
Also props to you on spotting that proky was the 1st to say Bron Wade n Bosh were going to be in Miami together, cuz I remember it the same exact way too.
there was a very interesting 2nd aspect to proky's prediction
which i believe also came true.
while he thought lebron would join wade and bosh in miami, he believed that by doing so lebron would degrade his ‘brand’.
imagine something extremely witty here
I believe in super teams as long as they have good defensive front courts.
Stars on teams without it imo are frauds.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
Wow... And we have been described "Clippers of the East"
Guess what? Clippers are playing extremely well now. How I wish Favors/Brook can have the mean streak Griffin has…
Not too long every losing team in the West will be called “Nets of the EAST”
"Mozgov is a phenomenal talent" - duhmecca
Washington Generals of the NBA is more like what the Nets are today
But with or without Melo they don’t have to stay that way, although it’s going to take years of good luck and smart moves to make them respectable again.
the NBC article by alper
is the best piece written on the current status of the melodrama.
it’s at the point where melo is doing the main thing he didn’t want to do to begin with – handling this like lebron james.
imagine something extremely witty here
That’s the MAIN REASON WHY this should end this week. The longer this goes on, Melo’s going to be in AS MUCH $h!t than LeBron is. He can’t keep ducking these questions. I think he’s as tired of it as we are. Ujiri doesn’t care how long it drags on.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
he might already be at LBJ levels
if he rejects the nets any sane person has to ask him why in the world he didn’t tell denver brass the exclude the nets from the start.
just so he could be wooed like lebron?
imagine something extremely witty here
I still believe he’ll come here whether we were his first choice or not. If he gets help and the Nets have a plan in place, I think he’ll come.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
OKC is a great young team
as much as i’d love to have jeff green, i hope they can find a way to keep all these guys:
durant, westbrook, green, ibaka, harden etc
imagine something extremely witty here
I would love to have Green
mainly b/c he kills the Nets.
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they also need good vets on that team
that is what they need to take it to another level
by blazin pp face on Jan 17, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
They could also use some size.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Melo or no Melo
Devin Harris and Troy Murphy will 100% not be Nets by the trade deadline..and I don’t have a problem with that at all.
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Blatche is a terrible PF
You watch him play and you swear he’s a tall shooting guard.
He has HORRIBLE defense too.
I would show you a video, but it’s been made private. Probably to spare the eyes of the world from having to see it
he's not bad at all....and i dont think he's hated
its just… we can probably get something decent in return for him back….
there’s no way we can keep him…. frm a mental and physical standpoint
by blazin pp face on Jan 18, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Who do you want to take back?
Harris for Hinrich?
Murphy for Rip?
Not a big difference or even worse
Great suggestions
too bad those options that don’t make any sense whatsoever.
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There are tons of options
neither of which are Hinrich or Rip Hamilton.
I don’t feel like going down the list, and Farmar could be moved to starting PG which would mean we wouldn’t have to receive a starting PG in return.
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Why would we ever do that?
and where did Hinrich’s name even come from?
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The ONLY upside to that is that his contract comes off the books next year in time for CP3. The money is almost identical.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
If they don’t land Melo, you have to go back to the next tier (Iggy, G Wallace). We didn’t pull the trigger on Granger last time. We get that type of guy and try to lure a big fish after that. Try to sell them on having legit second and third options (with Lopez). All they need to do is step in. The help’s already here.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
In our next rookie retrospective we take a look at the progress of one of the most highly touted players in last year’s draft, New Jersey Nets power forward Derrick Favors. The centerpiece of one of the most awaited deals in recent NBA memory, is Derrick Favors worthy of being traded for Carmelo Anthony?
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Rookie-Retrospective-Derrick-Favors-3617/#ixzz1BMP9gaTR
http://www.draftexpress.com
"On tools alone, Favors has star potential...The issue for him is that he’s still figuring out the game...But the team that drafts him may have to be patient."
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good post
i do think favors skill set is really well suited to a fast paced team.
i wonder if we start acquiring the right players who can handle & score in transition , if avery would be open to letting them get out and run. or, is avery one of those coaches who impose a certain offensive system no matter who he has on the team?
imagine something extremely witty here
Really doesn't help Favors that we're the slowest team in the NBA
Surprising with all of Avery’s talk in the offseason about how we were going to run. Favors is pretty much unstoppable on the break
Ashton: Mikhail, like whoaaa, you shoulda seen the look on your face when you thought you were getting Melo. Ohh snap you been punked dawgggg..
Mikhail: Chto za huy (wtf in russian)
someone punk'd the nets for sure
either melo, leon rose, or the nugs
we’ll know the answer soon
imagine something extremely witty here
Please pull the plug
As a lifelong NETS fan I didn’t think anything can sicken me ore than Piscattaway, Drazen’s Death, Rollie Massamino, All the pathetic Williams’s (Jayson, Sean, Marcus, Terrance) , Chris Morris’s sneakers, Derrick Coleman’s check writing, need I go on?
This is rock bottom. The clincher is when we throw in Lopez, and Denver will ask for that tomorrow. So let’s recap. We’re going to send 5 first round picks, our starting lineup, 1,000 pounds of Russian Caviar, my soul, your soul, and Prokhys miliions for the next overrated prima donna. How does an idiot like Prokhy make billions? I hate this World!!!
Bite your tongue. We are supposed to worship Prokhorov because ... just because he has the right intentions.
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
i always like bayless
The nets should probably look to their pg or sf.
I think the nets will get iggy.
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 18, 2011 12:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
tough analysis
he’s better than almost anyone on our team
his contract kinda stinks
what to do…
imagine something extremely witty here
The point is not to win games,
but to win championships. Iguodola is a good player don’t get me wrong, but his contract coupled with Brook’s in a couple years will make the chances of getting a real star almost impossible. Which would leave us with some more wins, but no cap space.
The worst place to be in the NBA is in the middle. If we don’t get Melo, let’s tank and make some serious trades in the off-season.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
That's my point.
Then trade Favors and Harris for a star.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
And that’s MY point, if Favors weren’t going for a Melo type player, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. This isn’t for Iggy or even G Wallace. This is Melo we’re talking about.
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Right but it's not like it's Favors for Melo straight up.
We’re giving up tons of other assets.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
@gminiski
You asked why would melo dragged the nets along to give them false hope.
Melo pretends to be interested in the nets this leads to denver and them working out a deal but look how long it takes for a deal to get done.
Also ever notice that when ever a so call deal was near approval it was a weekend.
Knowing that nba offices open on Monday. Giving melo a weekend to reject the offer or the knicks to make a better offer.
I could be wrong but again when melo said he had his reason why a deal wouldn’t go down something was up
"Do you remember when Martin had a dream and Bobby had a regiment"
by killa kadafi191 on Jan 18, 2011 12:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
but how does this help melo?
i can’t figure it out.
melo knows the knicks are interested and would make some offer. why would melo want to jack up the knicks offer and make them give up more if he’s going there?
imagine something extremely witty here
i'm asking you because
you’ve been saying from the gate that melo only wants to go the knicks- period.
and i think you may be right, so i’ve been looking at how all of this is playing out from that point of view. and still, i can’t understand why melo (if he didn’t want to be lebron part 2) wouldn’t just tell denver ‘no nets’.
imagine something extremely witty here
ive been saying
trade for melo before the deadline, so we can ship him to toronto for putting us all through this
Of course you know he’ll want some sort of no-trade clause in his contract. That’ll probably be a part of the process.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
We hope. This is like being out in the middle of the Atlantic on a small boat. The sharks (the reporters) are surrounding us. We’re being rocked back and forth between deal and no deal. We can see that we’re getting closer to land. We just don’t know if the natives are friendly ( a deal) or not (no deal). We have no control over it. All we can do is wait.
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't possibly have said it any better.
The reporter and shark metaphor is extremely appropriate at the moment too, haha…
Just as long as we don’t have any damn tsunamis, we SHOULD make it!
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by CyberRambro on Jan 18, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Woj is right about some things here
This trade is horrible. 3 1st rders, Favors, Harris, Morrow, Murphy, James? What the hell??
So essentially, we are giving these guy 5 first rd picks. This is an embarrassment
and Woj is correct. After all of this mess, if we walk away empty handed, we will be up the creek
The guy didn’t say anything different from what I’ve been saying.
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We will stay up the creek.
We are already there…
I does appear that we're willingly accepting the shaft a little bit here..
we also, apparently, haven’t said no to them yet either. So, who knows how many more players could be bilked. None I hope, and I say either Morrow or DJ, but not both now..
I think theres a better chance of us winning a championship with us not doing the trade but there will be a few more ugly seasons ahead of us.. If we make this awful trade we will be in the playoffs for the next few years but wont compete with the heat celtics bulls or magic for the conference championship.. I dont think these should be the only two options though we could use those excess of draft picks to make better trades than this
lets look at melos options?
going back to denver- dragging his team through this , having an owner who cant get him a winning team and is more concerend about cutting salary than winning title, being hated but will get paid
going to new jersey- having an aging back court but veteran, looking odd for going to win 10 team and in shadow of knicks, hated by knicks fans but will get paid
going to knicks, – forcing his way to a team that has good chemistry yet doesnt have asets to get him, willing to give up millions to play here and play second fiddle to amare
I'm pretty sure we can EXCLUDE melo returning to Denver
seems pointless to do something that’ll hurt the team (drag them through weeks of rumors), if you’re stated no. 1 priority is to win..
Again, I think the Knicks are crazy if they do it. It could destroy the chemistry they have and gut that team completely. They get themselves a big man, they’d be MUCH better served. Then again, that’s their mentality also. Sell out MSG and fill the luxury suites. Forget about the championships.
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Chemistry doesn't matter when the team as currently constructed has no chance
of winning a championship.
They can trade Gallo/Chandler, Fields, Curry (expiring), and 2 firsts for Melo. I would take that if I was the Nuggets. Knicks can always find guy to fill in the gaps later. F chemistry when you can put Melo, Amare, and Felton together.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions
IF they can scrape up 2 first rounders. I think either Camby or Okafor is a PERFECT fit for them. If they don’t get a big man to help Amare out, they’ll be back to square one when he breaks down. Both of those guys make about the same as Curry. If they get the pick, they can package that with Curry’s expiring for Camby and keep the team in tact. Camby’s contract expires next year so they’re not on the hook like they would be for Okafor.
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They can trade their 2014 first rounder and can apparently trade AR for a first.
Just sayin.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t do it if I were them. Plus if you’re Denver, why would you take the Knicks pick in 2014? That’s about as good as the Laker pick next year. They’re hanging themselves.
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Could be the best offer the Nugs receive, especially if they're
sitting there at the deadline. Don’t want to lose him for nothing.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions
And they have Turiaf who's fine for a defensive big.
And can still develop Mozgov.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
And there is no way
we can keep Harris or Murphy after this. And who knows what will happen with Favors?
This is one slip up away from being a complete disaster.
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This is already a disaster. But you're right,
might turn out even worse.
If no Melo, might as well just let Murphy expire and tank. Trade Harris and Favors for a star and draft a stud.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
lol, if no Melo, then what other stud can Nets trade for?
If no Melo, might as well … Trade Harris and Favors for a star
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
Lopez and Harris
They are not the problems with this team. Stephen Graham and Travis Outlaw starting at the 2 and the 3 are definitely whats holding us back. We will definitely be better when Morrow comes back but we need a scoring SF. Then again we don’t really know what we need since our team is on the verge of being completely turned over
The only slasher/scorer on the team is
our 180 pound pg. Recipe for disaster.
Need a Jamal Crawford type on this team.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
He's an UFA at the end of the season,
makes sense.
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's funny that even with a healthy roster, we have no scorers on this team. No one who can
create their own shot. How did this happen?
by Clayton Balch on Jan 18, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
And by Jamal Crawford type you mean someone who does nothing but score, and if his shot isn’t on, is basically ineffective?
I’d rather take my chances with him than with Harris. Harris doesn’t do anything spectacular.
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Another wknd in the books
Twas the night before the eve of Russian culture night
and yes tomorrow Proky will board that flight
The weeks have been crazy with conflicting reports
Hopefully Proky will not fall victim to this great sport
Will rings and championships go to this fine fellow
Alas we do not know, for this decision lies with a nugget named Melo.
Tomorrow is a new day gentlemen. Proky will be here. Our questions will have answers soon. G’night y’all…
TRAVIS OUTLAW
You know Avery's a really good coach because he only knows how to coach really good teams. And the Russians love Avery, so Avery must be really good.
I have to say...
As a Life long Nets fan, and that probably means longer than most of the guys who post on this board as I am in my 40’s, I am surprised that more of us are not completely offended and up in arms about Woj’s article.
I don’t care how much truth may lie within his article, the one overriding truth is that this franchise has never had an owner who is willing to spend whatever it takes and do whatever it needs to do to try and improve the team, never…
Also, it’s laughable that everyone is so up and arms about what the FO is willing to trade away to get a scorer like ‘Melo. As if the FO is giving away the second coming… I mean please people! We have no idea whatsoever what Favors will ever be, period, same goes for Damion James… Some of you act as if he’s someone we are crazy to give up, and I ask why? What has he done? The answer to that is NOTHING! Maybe he goes on to have a solid career, but most likely he’ll have an avg career at best…
You want to make a case for Harris? And again, I have to ask why? In your heart of hearts, do you really believe this franchise is going to win anything with Harris as point? He’s not a good shooter, he’s not a good passer, he’s poor from behind the 3, he’s injury prone, so why does anyone care?
I don’t care whether you agree with parts or all of what is being written, the truth is, as true fans we should be the only ones to criticize what the FO does… Like when you pick on your brother or sister, but when someones else does, you get in their face…and we should stick up for our team the same way, no matter what!
I have been hammering Woj, and he and I have been going back and forth for an hour on direct tweets, and to my surprise he keeps responding to my perspective of how his article although may have some truth, the alternative is probably worse, because although ’Melo may not be LBJ, Wade or Kobe, he is still more than anything we are giving up, and one of the most prolific scorer in our league, period!!
Anyway, this whole thing is a mess, I agree, but remember, the Nets thought they had a deal in place no less than two times, only for Denver to change their position,, we cannot blame our FO for this, yet we are the franchise getting slammed here… I wonder why that is?
I agree..............
From MY standpoint though, I’m up in arms because they have an agreement and then Denver changes its mind. Is that King’s fault? No. He’s just following orders. The problem is that Denver KNOWS we’re not talking to anyone else here. This is the SOLE mission. What some of us want them to say is ‘OK. We’ve agreed to everything here and you keep changing this. This is our FINAL offer!’ If they think you’re bluffing, go talk to Charlotte about their guys. Go talk to Charlotte and see if they’re ready to deal CP3. Talk to GS about Ellis. Start offering around some of those assets that they’ve been wanting. See how fast they stop playing this game. It’s not going to happen. King has orders to get this done ‘by any means necessary’. The Nets are getting killed because they won’t say enough is enough. They’re giving in to ALL of Denver’s demands. When they agree to everything, then they want us to take Harrington. Then it’s a problem with the picks. Weren’t the picks agreed to before they asked us to take Harrington? They HAVE TO put their foot down at some point.
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I have no problem with replacing Harris for a legit point guard. Harris makes NO one better. That is why the most wins we have with him as the floor general is 34. He had loads of talent around him in Dallas. BUT, he is not the only problem and probably could be successful here if we had better players. Starting Graham and Outlaw? We also have to give more looks to Favors down low and in the post. He has to get comfortable taking some offensive pressure off the team. Look what Griffin is doing! Now I know Favors has a long way to go, but, he never gets the ball on the offensive end. All of his points come from put backs and alley oops.
LETS GO NETS!
Can you really not say the "sh" word here?
I understand wanting to keep things in check, but really, that seems a little drastic. I thought I’d let you guys know that Woj is a moron, and not to worry about his article but instead got warned because I used the “sh” word and my comment got deleted. So much for commenting over here.
Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince
There may be kids on here so that’s why I used the symbols and even that was pushing it. You let out some steam. Now you know. Just keep it in mind.
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And yet you're avatar is that of Jay-Z
Who makes a living of of curse words. Way to really stand for something.
Hyperboles kill.
Never underestimate the power of infatuation towards athletes.
There's no such thing as a debate, unless there is a judge present; everything else is just an argument.
Move over Melo, there's a new #15 in town.
Wherever you are, think of your dreams, remember that dreams become the life you lead. - Prince
by GoldenNugget on Jan 18, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Net Income has said that word several times....
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what I find funny is
many of the most educated people I know swear, while some of the most uneducated people I know don’t swear because it is deemed bad just like the word Humbug was deemed bad back in the days. Not my blog though, not my rules.
"We'll move the Earth for A Title"
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
Nuggets fan here
I have a theory, The Nuggets know that Melo won’t sign the extension with them (sold his house last year and now it is on the market) and they are using the Nets as bait. The Knicks who are sort of struggling but are still doing OK, are looking over and seeing this are thinking "hm, well Melo MIGHT sign with them, we were hoping he would just come over here in free agency but now that I see they are negotiating, I think we might be a bit more generous and instead of just giving up Gallo as compensation, we should trade Chandler, Gallo and include a third team such as Memphis and give Denver Marc Gasol or OJ Mayo and a 1st rounder. Simply put, the Nets are puppets from the Nuggets front office.
"We'll move the Earth for A Title"
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
by CloudBurst on Jan 18, 2011 4:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Here's the part I like.
When the nets are forced out this week Denver won’t be getting anything like that. Eddy Curry and Chandler and I hoe the lousy from office enjoys. I’d even rather Melo left in FA, that would be unreal.
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When Knicks have all the power
Eddy Chandler + Mazgov + 1 2032 1st for Anthony … take it or leave it
If there's one thing that is going be great to see
it’s Denver getting screwed in the end.
Lopez is a major building block if you dont understand that, you dont understand the NBA…period.
by Net Income on Jan 5, 2011 12:48 PM EST
on Saturday, I thought: "it might actually happen Tuesday..wow..but if it doesn't... "
now, I KNOW it’s not happening today..might not at all…and the plan B won’t help too much at all.
Billy King should dress like this when he meets Melo
And totally mind muff him Matrix style
Make that red pill sounds really, really enticing…
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