'Melo Drama - Now It's The Bulls
by Net Income on Sep 9, 2010 2:20 AM EDT
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PrintMarc J. Spears, quoting a "source with knowledge of Anthony’s wishes", says Carmelo Anthony hopes to persuade the Nuggets to trade him to the Bulls or Knicks.
The Yahoo! writer doesn't refer to previous stories that suggested 'Melo would accept a trade to the Nets or Rockets.
Denver is still trying to convince the five-time all-star that it's in his best interest to stay at home, but Spears' story, more than anything, seems to indicate that is a fool's errand.
Spears suggests the Bulls could trade Luol Deng, James Johnson and Taj Gibson to the Nuggets. Like others, he believes the Knicks don't have the same level of assets and would prefer waiting til next summer when they could offer Anthony a long-term deal. That seems increasingly unlikely.
- Anthony prefers move to Bulls, Knicks - Marc J. Spears - Yahoo! Sports
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Neither am I.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
key sentence in this article:
“New Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri has not had a face-to-face meeting with Anthony since he was hired on Aug. 31.”
In other words, “the negotiations we’re reporting on so breathlessly actually havent begun yet, btw.”
But my opinion on the trades described: Melo in Chicago is fine with me. At MSG, not so much.
honestly Melo to Bulls makes the most sense
Deng, Taj Gibson, and James Johnson is a pretty good deal for Nuggets especially if they throw in some draft picks with it. Melo in NY with Melo would be more exciting for the NBA but I just dont see how Knicks get it done. Bulls will have their own big 3 but the only thing is I remember reading somewhere that Rose didnt really want LeBron to come to Chicago because he wanted it to be his team. I would think he wouldnt want Melo on his team either because he would take alot of spotlight off Rose..Boozer, not so much. I dont think Melo will get traded til the trading deadline anyway. As for the Nets, Im fine with being the underdogs with the roster we have now..I like the depth and I dont wanna trade away all our young talent for Melo
Denver may want
to unload others in the deal…Chris Anderson, KMart, even Billups.
I still think it’s Houston, using primarily the assets the Nets traded them.
Would necessitate a three-way
Otherwise, you’re talking about a lot of salary going one way.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Definately Houston
Houston has expiring contracts which translate to MONEY (Battier + Jeffries = 17 MILLION in expiring contracts)
They also have YOUNG TALENT they are willing to trade (Jordan Hill and Chase Budinger)
AND DRAFT PICKS (if Melo doesnt go to NY the TWO DRAFT picks the Rockets have from NY are worth ALOT!! – Most likely both top 20 picks)
And if necessary, Im sure the Rockets would give up Kevin Martin.
It pretty much will com down to Denver telling Houston what they want and houston giving it to them.
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Ughhh
Letting go of Scola would be tough for the Rockets to do.. Melo is a good scorer but Scola is one of those extremely consistent tough hustle players that are hard to replace.. He averaged 17ppg and 9.8rpg last season and he is capable of going of for 40 andy given night. He just had 36 points (10 in the last 3 mins) to move Argentina to the semi finals in the FIBA tourney…
That would be a sweet deal for the nuggets if they could get Scola in the deal!
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
they are trying to REBUILD
Why would they take Scola’s contract???? At his age?
Stars are moved for prospects, picks, and expirings.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Point!
Yea you are right, any move of Scola would be to a contender, not to a rebuilding team. But he is a hell of a player, I was pretty much trying to make the point of I would not agree with giving up Melo for Scola and other players… the other players yea, but not Scola or Brooks, they are too important to the Rocketss franchise.
why
would carmelo anthony agree to an extension with the rockets knowing this may be yao’s last year, if yao even plays this year.
i agree the rockets have the assets to land carmelo though.
THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT...
Even if Yao does retire… The Rockets are still so good and deep that they could still contend… Im not saying win a title without Yao, because it will inevitably come down to beating the Lakers with all their size… but Melo would then be the best player on the rockets, and it would be more prideful to be THE MAN in Houston than to jump on the LeBrandWaggon and NEED to team up with other greats to win… He would have the respect of the entire NBA (past and and present fans and players) AND he would raise his status past LeBum after a mediocre season maybe averaging 20ppg and 7apg with the Heat. Jumping on a LOADED squad ruins your legacy, but being THE MAN empowers it! Now dont get me wrong.. the Rockets are loaded with talent… but they play TEAM ball and fill roles to be successful… but being on that team is more admirable than joining up with AMARE and CP# in NY, or with ROSE and BOOZER in Chi-town… Melo has alot to consider in this decision so when theGM of the Nugs tells Melo
“Ok, Melo, im sorry to see you go and i dont want you to but you obviously want out… We are willing to do a S&T with the Rockets… Would you be willing to sign? or do you want to wait til next summer to make a change as a FA”
How can he say NO???
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
How dumb of a response is that??
“Easily, NO”
are you going to back that up with anything at least? lmao..
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you're only backing everything you say up
with your own homer logic.
Your opinions aren’t facts.
“lmao..”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Deng has a long term deal with ridiculous money that he can’t live up. Not something you want to commit to if your trying to become a rebuilding team. Mediocrity for big money and several years is bad enough on a good team but a total waste on a rebuilding team. As for the other two Taj Gibson had a good rookie year Johnson didn’t show much. Either way the bulls don’t have the draft picks to get this deal done and they certainly didn’t help themselves by ridding themselves of some this year for cap space.
SMART MAN
You are absolutely right with all of that. Taj Gibson would be the only upside with that deal. Denver definately will want young talent, draft picks, and money to start rebuilding.
It will be impossible for the Bulls to make that deal work.
What these writers fail to realize when they report this garbage, is that its not UP TO MELO where he goes.. IT PRETTY MUCH COMES DOWN TO WHO CAN GIVE DENVER THE BEST DEAL. And then Melo can either say "OK, go ahead and do the sign and trade to that team, OR… he can disagree with the trade and just suck it up all season then sign as a FA next summer. He has no leverage. DENVER has all of the control.
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really
Deng has a long term deal with ridiculous money that he can’t live up. Not something you want to commit to if your trying to become a rebuilding team. Mediocrity for big money and several years is bad enough on a good team but a total waste on a rebuilding team. As for the other two Taj Gibson had a good rookie year Johnson didn’t show much. Either way the bulls don’t have the draft picks to get this deal done and they certainly didn’t help themselves by ridding themselves of some this year for cap space.
Good point, but.....
it depends on how Denver values Deng. He’s half the money of Melo (with new contract).
Too bad Melo isn’t the gm. He is going to go where the Nuggets want to send him and if that team is a winner like Houston, he would stay more than likely. The Bulls don’t have what it takes (the draft picks). Deng is nowhere near where he was projected to be when he signed that contract. Johnson and Gibson are serviceable but a long way from covering for Deng.
Actually no
If Anthony refuses to sign an extension, no team is going to trade away their talent to Denver.
He doesn’t want to play in Houston, so that eliminates them.
by eLonepb on Sep 9, 2010 5:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yea, stupid false!!
Houston has the most to offer DENVER as an organization, and the peices to still be SOLID after the deal… Melo knows that… The ONLY insignificant thing that is stopping that deal from being done is his stupid wife LALA who hasnt realized her career is over and thinks going to Jersy she can be on the damn REAL HOUSEWIVES OF NJ or whatever she thinks she is. LOL.
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
PER HIS AGENT
“He would be willing to sign LONG TERM deals with NJ or HOUSTON”
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
HIS agent never said that, or wasn't attributed
That was an unidentified source. Besides, today it’s neither the Nets or the Rockets, it’s the Bulls and the Knicks.
EVERY SOURCE IS AN UNIDENTIFIED SOURCE!!
People close to the organizations release this info anonymously so they can keep their jobs! DUH!! this damn article we are responding to also says the same thing the one about the Rockets did
source with knowledge of Anthony’s wishes
WORD-FOR-WORD the exact same thing. lol.
sounds like ur just a Rockets hater! so u will contradict yourself when it benefits the teams u like!, lol
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This list you speak of does not matter, lol
What everyone should remember about this MELO SITUATION… is that it doesnt matter where Melo WANTS TO GO… All that matters is WHAT DEAL THE NUGGETS GM WILL ACCEPT… So this whole wishlist of Melo’s is pointless…
When it comes down to it, The nuggets GM will tell Melo “Hey Melo, we are willing to take this deal with so and so… blah blah…. Do u want to Sign and trade? or do u want to stop ur b-i-t-c-h-i-n and finish this season off then leave as a FA??”
Melo is just a whiny little girl crying for what he wants and making a scene thinking he will get what he wants.
Until his daddy (GM of the Nuggets) puts a metaphorical whoopin on his a-s-s!
LOL @ calling a man’s wife “insignificant”
LOL @ you talking about Houston having the most to offer, and then coming up with deals like Scola, Battier, and Jordan Hill.
How about starting the conversation with Aaron Brooks?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Melo Boozer and Rose
Thats a tough team to get past in the future
Melo is overrated
Listen I would love him on our team because I think he does things for us outside of wins. But he is overrated. His defense is nonexistent. He is a volume scorer.
So Melo will not take you to the playoffs nor will he win a championship for this team. We need patience.
-_- Denver never missed the playoffs with Melo
But Chicago does make sense. But i wouldnt take deng if i was Denver
How is Melo overrated?
A majority of the posters here think he’s a scrub.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Because Outlaw is the answer
And Carmelo is a dud who doesn’t do anything but score points.
Who needs a point scorer?
All I know is the following
Harris, TWill, Humphries, 2 picks for Melo would be a big boost for our team. Yes, our backup backcourt would be atrocious. Let’s see: We have Murphy expiring and can either trade him mid-season for another dissatisfied borderline star or use his cap space next summer to solidify our backcourt.
Currently, we are middle of the pack. With Melo, we would further increase our opportunity to win a championship.
But ohhh, Melo is garbage. Yawn.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
WHY WOULD MELO DO THIS??
By trading Harris the team is weak at Staring PG and has a depleted bench… He would be better off staying in Denver with Chauncey, J.R., Nene, and a decent bench that will make the playoffs than make that deal… It just would not make sense. The only way a deal gets done with NJ is if Denver stupidly takes Troy Murphy and Derrick Favors in a trade for Melo (which would be the worst GM move of all time) Or if they give up D Harris or Brook Lopez.. which would be dumb cuz those two are the ONLY Reason Melo would even think twice about NJ… MELO WANTS TO WIN NOW by going to a CONTENDER
Im not a GM, but even I know that would be a horrible deal.
by Tha1nOnlyMac on Sep 9, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
and if the bulls are talking about offering that little
y should we include harris!??!!?!?!?!?
they are offering DENG, JOHNSON AND GIBSON and MAYBE NOAH
so i think we can get away with offering TWILL, HUMP, AND 2 PICKS AND MAYBE MURPHY
I agree Melo is underrated.
His team is always in the playoffs no matter how many of his big men are injured. I have always found the disdain that the internet has for scorers to be perplexing, especially efficient scorers like Melo. People talk about him like he is Antoine Walker.
Work is the scourge of the drinking classes.-Oscar Wilde
by Dash Williams on Sep 9, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
if this happens...
its another team in the east that we’ll have to miraculously hurdle to get into the playoffs, as so many have claimed we will. i’m not saying we can’t, but our chances are getting slimmer and slimmer as this mass exodus of talent out of the western conference continues to completely reshape the NBA landscape.
Not true at all... Bulls are already a playoff team
We wont have to hurdle them because the east is top heavy. we will have to hurdle them to get a championship
they lost in the first round the last two years...
i doubt with the additions of boozer (and possibly Melo) that this team is a one-and-done anymore.
besides, better teams in the east (who we play a lot more games against) means that our record will only suffer that much more. more wins in the East also means a more difficult time for outsiders (i.e. THE NETS) breaking into the playoffs.
You forget
We wont be the only team playing these guys. all of the teams we will compete with to get into the playoffs will play them. this doesnt effect how we get into the playoffs. Also Teams like the Raptors and cleveland took a step back.
two of many...
the other day i mentioned that every team in the east except boston, cleveland and toronto have gotten better. that doesn’t make us a lock for the playoffs… at all.
you don't think Boston got better??
they are deeper and more experience.
Don’t let that age and getting old fooled you. They ran through the East at the 4 seed. While everyone said they were too old.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Boston Will Be Better
Esp. with Perkins back
Shaq, JO, Delonte West, 2 rookies, NateRob back, etc….
They may not roll through the regular season, but come playoffs they will be as tough as anyone to beat.
by Jack Handy Jr on Sep 9, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
No one says we are a lock
your saying the bulls ( a projected 4th seed) wmay keep us out of the playoffs. I dont see it that way They swap places with Boston or Magics but doesnt effect us because if you assume we lose to them you have to assume every team that is fighting for that 7th or 8th spot will lose to them. If Detroit nabbed him thats a diff story. But hes going to a team thats already looked at as the 4th or 5th best they are not taking a new playoff spot their spot is already reserved IMO
age and health was an issue last season
and how did they do??? It seems health only becomes an issue when one of their big four is hurt.
Without Garnett they nearly beat Orlando.
As long as they are healthy in the playoffs I see no team in the East beating them.
They are deeper, veterans,play defense and have great chemistry.
As someone said last season Boston just showed the regular season meant nothing and will likely do the same thing this season as well.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
lol Wrong Reply
But at some point age has to catch up with them. They lost a D. Cord and the big 3 are all a year older. Healthy yes they are very good. But last year everything broke well for them, all injured players came back at the right time
The first six playoff spots in The East are locked up.
It would take a series of calamities to keep Miami, Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, Milwaukee, and Orlando out. The Cleveland and Charlotte spots are up for grabs, though I expect Charlotte to make it as well. It is crazy how all these Eastern conference teams attained 80s style depth this off-season. The Bucks will be a problem for everyone after they gel.
Work is the scourge of the drinking classes.-Oscar Wilde
by Dash Williams on Sep 9, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
On a way to a championship yes in the future
But right now even if the nets make the playoffs with the addition of Boozer they’ll be a higher seed then us.
WOW
First this is pure speculation and a writer suggesting players for a trade, so it has little merit. Second, and more importantly, if he does end up in Chicago, Boozer, Rose, Noah, and Melo make a great team. Wow, the east is suddenly loaded and has 4 title contenders. I might even put them ahead of Miami and Boston. If Chicago has what it takes, they would be fools not to do it. And while Deng is not a top 10 player or star, he is a real good player and certainly far better than anything we have at the small forward position. And since this is a new GM, who knows what he wants for Melo?
YES!!!!!!!!
Now we can move on with our team. I hope he goes to the bulls or Houston. This is great news to see at 7 in the morning
As long as he doesnt go to the knicks. If he wants his own team and not to be a sidekick like lebron and bosh he goes to Chi. He will have everything he needs to go deep in the playoffs. I doubt he does that though because he is not a leader. He is trying to follow the trend and take the easy way out.
I wonder how the Nets are going to do in the nba2k11 rankings?? I didnt even bother to play last year.
I Don't See Chicago As Having Much To Offer
Deng is a very expensive player to add to what would be a rebuilding team. … 4 years/$50m left on this deal.
Gibson is nice, but nothing special
James Johnson is nothing
And the picks would be very late, rather meaningless picks
T.Williams
D.James
T.Murphy
GS #1
NJ #!
2nd rounders
$3m Cash
is much better than the Chicago offer.
If he did
That would be a better offer
I also think Houston can offer better, if he was willing to go there
by Jack Handy Jr on Sep 9, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
that's a bad trade for the Nets
Sure, that would be a better offer than Chicago’s, but I hope the Nets wouldn’t be willing to offer something like that.
Are you kidding?
At this point I can’t tell if your serious or not. That trade would be fantastic for us.
how in the hell is that a bad trade for us
williams james and murphy and some picks is nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nothing?
Williams is our last year’s lottery pick and one of our most promising youngsters, certainly our 2nd or 3rd most valuable player for the future and certainly the 2nd or 3rd guy on our roster other teams are more interested in.
Avery loves James, you can certainly say he doesn’t consider him nothing.
And Murphy is not just an expiring contract, he’s a double double machine and shoots like he’s a guard.
I firmly believe we’re better off with their combined production than with Anthony. Forgive me for not looking at a shortsighted picture blinded by a flashy name. Depth and balance MATTER.
I actually
wouldn’t be all that upset with this trade. Of course I am looking forward to seeing D.James and Murphy play for us, but like others are saying, Melo is a proven commodity. Still, I am not investing a lot of hope in getting him. I’d like to see what Avery can do with this squad, and once we know what we have, then think about trading people for a star. Then again, the star is available now. Tough call.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
That's a reasonable offer....
I won’t say keep the cash, but not as important as getting cap relief.
Regarding Deng, it depends on how Denver sees him. Lot less money that Melo’s new contract.
Cap relief comes with Murphy
He’s an expiring contract this year. ($12 million). Also a double double machine at the PF spot, so he’d make good trade bait as well. Or a cheap resign for a productive player.
Not what I meant...
Denver has their own expiring contracts, but cap relief is not the the key, but a consideration. Murphy, necessary for cap purposes is a decent piece in any deal.
Maybe Melo has changed his mind
maybe melo changed his mind about the teams he wants to land.
Maybe the Nuggets are playing Poker and trying to make teams up their offer before training camp.
Maybe this is media hype. Trying to get an all star to a high market team and franchise.
Either way I don’t care as long as he is not here and we are not gutted.
Your continuous rabid hatred of him is appalling
You don’t even care if we are gutted, or if we give away small pieces. You just hate him so much that we could trade a few reversible jerseys for him and you’d say we gave up too much.
One I don't hate anyone.
No one is worth the energy it takes to hate. You presume too much and never read what I or others say.
I have said many times. I’m all for Melo coming here under the right conditions but as many others I like the direction we are headed and building.
The same people who are saying it’s not guaranteed that the Nets young players develop to anything worth while do not seem to look at that it’s not guaranteed that Nets with Melo means championships.
It hasn’t worked for Denver.
I have said many times I all for getting better overall and I fail to see how we become better by acquiring Melo through a trade. He wants to come in the off season as I said many times I’m all for it.
Stop assuming and actually read what I type.
What’s funny before the Melo hype you seem confident in the Nets direction now you are saying all is lost if we don’t acquire this player?
When did we become a bad team???
Before the Melo rumblings you were saying we were on the right track?
It seems you believe Melo will be the savior of this basketball team where he has been anything but that for the team he has been on for the last 8 years.
Again read what I type and stop with the assumptions.
I don’t hate Melo but at the same time I do not ignore the flaws of a player that is only a scorer and we are still waiting to mature and become a leader.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You fail to see how we become better
By acquiring one of the best players in the NBA? There isn’t a GM for a single team (except maybe the Heat) that hasn’t made an inquiry about Carmelo, you can be guaranteed of that.
Stop with the Nuggets example. He didn’t have the players, and players around you make ALL the difference. Every NBA championship team of recent years is a prime example of this.
To say we are headed in some direction is nonsense. We haven’t even played a game yet. We’re coming off the worst season in our history and this isn’t a team that’s trying to improve on 12 wins. Last season is out the window.
This is a BRAND new team. Which means if we can start that BRAND new team with one of the best scorers in the league, we are doing ourselves a huge favor in line with finding a championship.
If you can’t seem to ignore the flaws of a players like Carmelo, I’m baffled to see how you can have so much confidence in a team that hasn’t played a game together yet. Like Outlaw. Like Favors. Etc.
One
We are in the Eastern Conference.
Where even with Melo teams like the Bulls,Boston, Orlando and the Heat are infront of us.
Melo isn’t Pau Gasol to the Nets it doesn’t mean we instantly become title contenders.
We become playoff contenders.
No I will not stop bringing up The Nuggets. I look at what a man has done in the past and look at his body of work.
At one time The Nuggets were one of the top defensive team in the league.
So now all of sudden you think we are not headed in a direction?
You were singing a different tune couple months back why all the change??
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/7/24/1586153/game-thread-usa-basketball#
here you are saying Favors will be Dwight Howard but wait didn’t you say a week ago Favors could be a bust???
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/7/12/1566075/nets-use-sign-and-trade-to-get#41925921
another where you say Favors is two years away from becoming a great player.
So what all of sudden change??? Oh it was the Melo rumblings.
Wait let me be fair you also said you would let Favors go for Chris Paul.
Now you say Favors will be Dwight Howard (the most dominate big man in the league)
yet when you hear all stars are available you throw what you said out the window and willing to trade anyone from Brook and so on to acquire these all stars with baggage??
So either you are wishy washy or you don’t believe what you type yourself.
Ask yourself this. Would Orlando trade Dwight Howard for Chris Paul or Melo??
My point you are so hype up over the chance to get a “star” you either contradict what you say.
It’s funny you say we have no direction. Because in July you were saying the “Blueprint for Greatness.”
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll make it as clear as I can for you
Favors could be Dwight Howard. He could be a bust.
Carmelo IS one of the best players in the league. That’s not going to change.
We are headed in the right direction with new ownership, cap space, and room to move.
THAT RIGHT DIRECTION COULD BE CARMELO!
Don’t be so naive.
where did you type could
I’m saying Favors is a “Dwight Howard”
And we’ll be looking back on this draft and laughing at the fact we were hoping for a player like Evan Turner.
by eLonepb on Jul 24, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That looks like is and not could.
Either way I’m not being naive. You are the one saying Favors will be( not could. as you are saying now back peddling????)
The point is you are contradicting yourself. When fans of Cousins were talking bout how the Nets should have drafted Cousins you were saying Favors will be Dwight Howard and in two years be a great player in this league.
Now when people are saying Melo isn’t worth the risk of gutting this team. You are saying he could be a bust.
Sorry but that is wishy washy.
The Rockets traded for a proven all star in Charles Barkley how did that work for them???
The Nuggets traded for a scoring machine like Iverson how did that work for them?
The Rockets traded for T-mac how did that work for them?
The Lakers got Karl Malone and Gary Payton. How did that work out.
How many trophies did those teams end up with??
but then again
The Lakers turn down a trade that even Kobe said he wanted to go down. Jason Kidd for Bynum.
Wasn’t kidd at the time one of the best at his position at the time? An all star but yet the lakers turn them down?
How did that work out for the Lakers?
What was Bynum average in the first three months of the 2007-08 season??
My point is you are the one being naive if you think a star will automatic mean championships and greener pastures.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
that was
your rebuttal??? Why not just wave a white flag? hahahahaha.
Why cause I can list situations where teams traded for “stars” and the situation did not lead them to a championship and some to even improve?
I can list a situation similar to ours. Where the Lakers decided to keep a young big full of potential instead of getting a proven all star who even their best player wanted jason kidd???
Yet come next season he saw how important that big man was to his team he ate his words?
Yet that is your rebuttal??
Again just wave the white flag.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Pick and choose all you want
Arguing with you is pointless. It’s not a white flag. It’s laughing and walking away shaking my head.
defeat does ususally leaves one shaking his head.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
elonepb you just got handled.
Your love for melo has made you irrational.
by power_njerz on Sep 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how about the celtics acquiring KG and Jesus?
or the fact that the heat will probably win no less than 3 of the next 5 titles after acquiring big-name players.
Sounds like B.S. to me
The mere mention of Luol Deng gives it away.
Another day, another rumor. Yawn.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
All too familiar with the Lebron rumors
He wants to go to the Knicks, no wait it’s the Nets or Rockets, no now it’s the Warriors, except wait now it’s Bulls… and the Knicks again.
Fact is, this isn’t free agency. The team that offers the most enticing trade possibility for the Nuggets and is a destination that Melo wants to go to and Melo actually agreeing to sign a contract extension, will get him.
I’ve seen nothing so far that says the Nets are off the list. Unlike what I have seen with the Rockets, although none of this can ever be verified except from Carmelo and his agent.
Just would like this resolved already.
I’ve seen nothing so far that says the Nets are off the list. Unlike what I have seen with the Rockets
That’s because you read what you want to.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AuJTAOMNcKewlle1IUn2Eaq8vLYF?slug=aw-anthonykroenke082410
Privately, Anthony has expressed more enthusiasm over joining the Houston Rockets than the Knicks, sources said.
blank">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/08/18/carmelo.trade.interest/index.html
There you go
That alone is a ridiculous statement. The Rockets over the Knicks in his preference?
Never.
Oh, cut the crap
Nobody called Anthony A scrub, garbage or a dud, dont try that crap.
Just because some of us here don’t believe he’s the superstar you are convinced he is doesn’t mean we think he’s a bad player.
Melo underrated? Hahahahahahahahahahaha
PS.: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Melooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Meloooooooooooooo is our saviooooooooooooooooooor
Go get him, we’re dooooooooooooooomed without him
MELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAABY
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah!
Lets make fun of Elone for wanting one of the best players in the league on our team! What a craZzZzZzZy thought!!!
It’s kind of pathetic that people believve we’re doomed if we don’t trade for Melo ro that getting him is our only hope to become competitive. This “star” obssession/fever/hysteria is what I find funny.
Let me ask you this
Why are we stockpiling picks, young players, expiring contracts? We do it because it puts us in a position to acquire a top level player when/if they become available. The carmelo situation is exactly the kind of situation where we could come out on top. For you to be against trading guys like James/Twill and a few draft picks for Carmelo is truely a headscratcher.
Who are you addressing?
If you are addressing either eLone or myself, then respond to us directly. Please do not create a disassociated comment so as to shield yourself. That kind of bait and switch is not ok. I am asking this respectfully and politely, much more than your labelling of our analysis as “crap,” which you have done on more than one occassion in response to one of my comments, let me add. Of course, now you can hind behind your disassociated comment and say you weren’t responding to me when it’s clear your were. That’s what I don’t like — a bait and switch. Please do not do this again.
Thank you.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
I was respoding
to everyone who tried to make it seem as if those of us who are against trading for Anthony said he’s a dud, garbage or a bum. And yes, that’s CRAP. So don’t try that. The other time I refer as a comment made by you as CRAP was a condescending one by your part and I just said I don’t have to deal with that crap, because that is what it was.
Big Tom said:
A majority of the posters here think he’s a scrub.
But ohhh, Melo is garbage. Yawn.
Elone said:
And Carmelo is a dud who doesn’t do anything but score points.
That is CRAP and it’s DISHONEST. Nobody said that. NOBODY. Just because we don’t think he’s the great superstar you believe he is it doesn’t mean we called him those things.
If you want to respond to someone, respond to their comment. Do not perform a bait and switch.
And, yes, reading all the posts here the past three/four weeks, I’ve gotten the impression that Melo is a scrub. Now, I never said you personally said he’s a scrub. If you associate that label to your own evaluation of Melo, then that’s your own baggage and it’s an indication that perhaps you do feel that way about Melo. Otherwise, you would not have created that mental association with my comment.
The fact remains I asked you would you accept Melo for Humphries, Ross, and Murphy…and you dodged the question.
So, let me ask again — would you trade Melo for Humphries, Ross, and Murphy?
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Nobody called Carmelo a scrub here. NOBODY. I’m not talking about just me, I’m talking about all of us who are against trading for him. If you have any evidence that proves it, please show it to me. Now.
As for that trade proposal, I’m sorry, but I’m not biting. I know what the purpose of that question is and I won’t go there.
Nothing has changed. Let's just politely leave it at this.
I’ve gotten the impression from reading all the comments here the past 3 or 4 weeks that Carmelo Anthony is a scrub who isn’t worth trading even Humphries, Ross, and Murphy for. Pretty incredible.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
You lose all credibility in my mind
You said a trade that would leave us with a starting core, for a brand new team of:
Brook Lopez
Carmelo Anthony
Devin Harris
Derrick Favors
Travis Oulaw
Anthony Morrow
Is too much.
Laughable. Highly.
there you go again
being condescending and trying to belitlle the opinion of those who disagree with you. .
So now not having a short sighted opinion, and looking at the bigger picture and not being carried away by a flashy name is laughable. Who cares about team balance, depth, assets to improve over the years (picks, young players, flexibility) or if we’re stuck with a contract that would eat 1/3 of our cap space while not being good enough to even compete against the true championship contenders.
But hey it’s Melo. MELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OUR SAVIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!
We obviously disagree
I’d love to have a high powered team with a superstar that can carry our team for the next 6 years, and make the Nets an incredibly relevant team that battles out the big stars deep into the playoffs. We can resign our own players, even if we go over the cap.
You’d rather be a team that has young players, with little ability to score or win games, and be stuck at the bottom of the league for a couple years in hopes of someday somehow getting better?
How on earth do you propose we “stay the course” and actually get better at some point?
Someone please tell me how fans of a 12 win team could complain about getting Melo? How could a team that is not ready to make the playoffs not want Melo?
He would make us instantly relevant (something we have lacked since Kidd left and took VC’s soul with him) and instantly competitive (again, something we have lacked since Kidd in his best days). This is a star league. He is a star. What is not to like?
by oman8 on Sep 9, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That 12 win team
Is not taking the court next season
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
by jrtallent on Sep 9, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, this team has 0 wins
It’s a brand new team. What is the issue with wanting that brand new team to have one of the best scorers in the NBA?
how did the lakers
do when Kobe was the best scorers?
the Magic with T-mac.
Iverson with philly?
Gilbert with Wizards??
again an average team with a helluva scorer is not impressive.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol
this is a horrible argument, not to mention Iverson brought philly to the NBA finals.
by NetsKiNG on Sep 9, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm talking about
as the team is
how did Iverson do when Sixers got Keith Van Horn and became average.
The sixers at the finals not only had iverson but had coach of the year, sixth man of the year Aaron Mckie and Defensive player of the year when they made that finals run.
Now we make a trade for Melo does Melo have a cast like that???
Come on now.
Kobe when losing in the playoffs prove he could score but lost in the first round.
Same thing Denver did till Billups got there.
Now an average team with just Melo is suppose to compete against Boston, Orlando, the Bulls and The Heat for the next couple years.
Yea you are right the argument is horrible for those who don’t know what they are talking about.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The point you don't seem to get is
We aren’t winning a championship right away, yes that’s true. Neither did Kobe.
But his team was great. And eventually they put the right players around him and BOOM championship team.
Big high powered Dwight Howard isn’t winning anything in Orlando without a scoring guard like a Melo.
You are right we are not winning a championship right away
with or without melo.
Question how many rings do the Lakers win if they traded Bynum for Jason Kidd.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Based on many of your posts
please don’t ever say I don’t know what I’m talking about. Your argument stinks, plain and simple. The Nets don’t instantly become an “average” team where your Keith Van Horn references are relevant, because a Nets team with Carmelo along with Lopez/Harris/Favors/Morrow/etc. is much more talented than a sixers team where you just mentioned Aaron McKie as the primary complimentary player.
Your basically trying to say that a primary scorer surrounded by bums will put you in medioctiry, which is true. The Nets aren’t even close to that situation..which is why your argument is weak.
But I guess “I don’t know what i’m talking about.”
wait wait wait
let me get this straight
my keith van horn reference is relevant
One we will either have to give up Murphy or Devin to get Melo.
Likely Devin.
As many have speculated the Nets package centers around Devin and Favors.
So you can subtract him from being on the same roster with Melo.
Unless like I said Melo comes to us during the off season.
No I did not list Aaron Mckie as the primary complinentary player.
Eric Snow was running point and the sixers had a deep bench as well.
I’m saying a team where
Lopez
Morrow
Melo
Murphy
Farmer
is average. That’s not even better than the Nuggets roster.
How far you think they will go in this eastern conference.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
We wouldn't give up Favors and Harris
Denver has no need for Harris unless they plan on moving Billups as well. You’re REALLY reaching w/ the sixers reference. Aaron Mcckie? Eric Snow? This really has nothing to do with us acquiring Carmelo and the sixers had NOTHING close to a Brook Lopez. You even included Kobe in your post, a guy who has 5 rings once he got some pieces around him. Are we incapable of adding pieces after we acquire melo? What if we held onto Twill? The Nets have tons of talent, the Wizards, Sixers, and other teams who were “average” don’t have nearly the amount of assets we have.
And a team w/ Harris/Lopez/Morrow/Melo/Twill would be top 5 in the East without question.
I included
Kobe Bryant to prove a point.
Kobe is one of the best scorers of all time but even him on an average team lead to his team losing in the first round.
Kobe has five rings yes but how many rings did he acquire during the 2005-07 season??
Again having a great scorer on an average team means nothing.
This has been proven in the NBA.
We would have to give up Devin or Murphy due to match contracts.
As the Nuggets have shown if they are trading Melo they will likely not pick up the team option on Billups so Devin Harris becomes valuable then.
So Devin and Favors are likely in play.
If we can get Melo while keeping favors and Brook.
I’m all for it but if we have to gut our team and become average with a helluva scorer count me out.
The sixers had Deke dawg. One of the best centers of all time.
All time blocks. Come on you remember that as well??
My point it takes way more than a helluva scorer to win championships in this league.
You saw how much talent Iverson had to have just to get to the finals.
Same with Kobe.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Deke was still not close
to what Lopez is and will become. Lopez is 23. Your point is soley based on us “gutting” our team for Melo. I never said i’m for doing that.
Bottom line: We get Melo w/out giving up Favors or Lopez, is a huge win. If we get Melo by giving up Favors but holding onto Harris, it’s still a win. We don’t become average, we become relevant and a contender..maybe not for a title immedietly, but we have that primary go-to scorer that EVERY NBA champion has had.
Lakers- kobe
Heat- wade
Celtics- Pierce
You need a go-to scorer, we don’t have that and if we can get it WHILE keeping 2 of 3 (Favors, Lopez, Harris) it’s a good deal.
but we have that primary go-to scorer that EVERY NBA champion has had.
Lakers- kobe
Heat- wade
Celtics- Pierce
problem is Anthony is just not a player of the caliber of those guys you listed.
You need a go-to scorer
But you simply don’t need Carmelo Anthony in order to contend for an NBA title.
LMAO
Carmelo Anthony is comparable with the players he listed. melo is better than pierce….. its not even close.
Find where I said
Carmelo is just as good as Kobe/Wade. Quote it.
All I said was he was a go-to scorer that NBA champions always have.
LOL
You referred to Anthony as, I quote, “hat primary go-to scorer that EVERY NBA champion has had”, and then name those guys.
Yikes
Talk about missing the point.
Anthony is a top level scorer in the NBA. FACT
Anthony is a guy you give the ball to at the end of games who makes big shots. FACT
Every NBA championship team has a go-to scorer. FACT
No team has needed Carmelo Anthony to win a chmapionship so far. FACT.
Melo’s offensive efficiency goes down come playoff time. FACT.
Great argument.
No team has needed LeBron to win a title either.
Wouldn’t take him either I presume..
In before “OMG you compared Carmelo to LeBron!!!”
At least James made the Cavs championship contenders, not a multiple 1st rd exit team.
Ypou don’t need Carmelo Anthony to even contend for an NBA title, let alone to win one.
Look at the teams Melo has lost to in the first round… Lakers Lakers Spurs Spurs, etc.
I dont think he is Lebron, or Kobe, or Wade, or KD, etc, but he is still damn good. His team was not as good as those teams he lost to every year in the 1st round…. He lost to 2 dynasties on multiple occasions, Lebron faced who?
4 out of the 6 years he has been to the playoffs he lost to the Lakers and Spurs. Oh, and then Lebron eventually lost to the Spurs also.
You forgot to mention
the Clippers and the Jazz 8without Memo and AK).
Btw, when the Clips beat the Nuggets, it was the only time they won a playoff series in the last 34 years. Hmmm…
And yes, his team was good enough to have done better in the psotseason.
Billups/Miller/Iverson
JR Smith
Camby/Andersen
Martin/Nene
George Karl
While a Nugget, Iverson, not Anthony, was Denver’s best player.
And eyah Billups, an NBA champion and an NBA Finals MVP is a problem. Melo wishes he had Chauncey’s accolades. And he should thank him for leting him know how it is to get out of the 11st rd
he's done
I don’t argue that.
But when he was a Nugget he was as good a player as Melo, if not better.
False!....Let me help you out
2008-2009 PPG 27.2 RPG 6 APG 4
FG% 45% 3FG% 36.8
2009-2010 PPG 30 RPG 9 APG 3.3
FG%46 3fg% 316
Carmelo says he doesnt like your “facts”
Anthony’s career shooting pct in the psotseason is .424. SO saying his offensive efficiency comes down come playoff time is a fact is absolutely CORRECT.
lmfao what a weak argument
Career stats mean nothing i want to know about Carmelo of now not 19yr old carmelo
weak argument
says someone who uses C-H-E-R-R-Y P-I-C-K-E-D stats. hahahahaha
But OK go ahead, you know how Carmelo will do now, get his butt kicked out of the playoffs in the first round despite putting up gaudy numbers.
Yes weak argument
If we want to talk about career stats then lets take a look at billups stats. im sure his numbers wouldnt look to good since his early days as a journey man are counted what matters is what melo did recently and the past 2 he been great in the post season.. not seasons apart but 2 seasons in a row that is not cherry picking you sound like a fool using career stats… laugh that away “hahahahah” “ohhhhhh yeaaaaaaaaa” “saviorrrrrrrrrr”… give me a break
the difference is
you’re comparing their stats as their team go-to guys, right? If Melo had been a role player over the first years of his career then it’d be a fair point not to bring those year’s stats to the discussion. but that’s not the case.
and anyways you don’t really know how Melo will do over the next few years just because he improved his playoff stats over the last 2 seasons, I can come here and post stats of players who had good stats 2 seasons in a row then they want down once again.
and what did those numbers get Denver anyways? a couple of years ago yes, but last year, they got knocked out of the 1st rd anyways, so what?
Finally, as most of those Melo fans, all you have left is to insult me and call me a fool, gotta love those Melo groupies. I’ts kind of sad, really.Sorry if I hurt your feelings for not thinking your boy is a true superstar or that he will win you a title as facts have proved so far.
Oh, great.
That’s the one thing I had yet to hear. Those Melo lovers are now the self proclaimed voice of logic and reality and whoever disagrees with their idealized vision of a guy who has never accomplished what their groupies pretend to think he has have to be insulted the way some of us have been here. Great.
Funny thing is im not even a Melo lover
i never came here and said he was a superstar. the most i compared him to was paul pierce. I just think this guy is a flat out hater. He says Melo cant win a champioinship and i think Melo with the right Pieces can DEF. win a championship. He can call people groupies all he wants. I bet T-Will call him the same if they knew eachother
aww im sorry did i hurt your feelings?
difference is Melo was 23 years old and younger with the stats your are trying to refer to.How old is D.James? ok No one called you a fool i said you sound like a fool. Which you do because you are talking about a 25 year old guy like he is a finished product, and compared him to a 32 year old paul pierceand say hes not as polished lol ok 8 years apart hmm
don't worry
Not those who want offend, but only those who can.
I’m just getting tired of the way some here react when they run out of argument and the insults is the only resource they have left. This post is a perfect example. Those Melo LOVERS trying to belittle the opinion of those who aren’t carried away by a flashy name, with a high handed and condescending attitude.
Come on, that’s the best you’ve got,.We are grown people.
So i say
U sound like a fool and u call me a groupie… and im the wrong one? save the lecture for someone who cares. Next subject-…….T-Will
So you insulted me and have the nerve to feel insulted because I answered back talking about groupies (“an enthusiastic supporter or follower”)? Spare me, dude.
That’s what I’m talking about. Some of us here have argued Melo is not the kind of player some of you believe he is, both sides bring some valid points, but some of those who defend Anthony take offense at it, that’s how groupies react.
Look, Im not asking you to agree with me. Just enough trying to discredit those who don’t think Anthony is a true superstar or a guy who will bring you a championship. Those of us who challenge that thought have used enough arguments to not to have to deal with condescending and flat out insulting answers to them. It’s that simple.
It’s not like I’m saying Melo is a useless bum or something along those lines, if anyone said that then you could call them blatant haters, but that’s not the case, just because I (and others) don’t think Melo is a player of the caliber of someone who will lead you to a title doesn’t mean we’re hating on the guy and being irrational, in fact, so far the facts back up that line of thinking whether you like it or not.
It's whether YOU like it not
Most NBA experts, GM’s, players, and fans all consider Carmelo to be one of the super elite players in the league.
And one of the most dominant and clutch when it counts, including in the playoffs.
Just because you don’t doesn’t make you smarter than them. It just means you are in the very small minority.
The problem is
U Dnt see the difference in calling someone a fool and saying someone’s statement makes them sound like a fool.
by nwkiddnj on Sep 9, 2010 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's the PLAYOFFS
When you are going up against the best teams and best defenders in the world.
The fact he’s one of the best scorers in playoff time shows you all you need to see.
Cant friggin believe it, but I agree with Gallo
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 9, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Carmelo finished atop the playoff scoring list! Carmelo is a dominant scorer who has proven he can finish games..
I never compared him to Kobe and Wade as overall players..just go-to scorers.
LMAO at those who didn’t get that reference.
Difference being Bryant and Wade are LEGIT go-to scorers on LEGIT championship contender, not guys who score a lot in the RS and then their offensive efficieny goes down come playoff time.
Last 2 years Melo been great playoff time
30 points 9 boards this year in the playoffs sounds good to me
THe Nuggets are nothing compared to a championship contender. Billups is overrated, and who else do they have from there? I doubt anyone he would seriously consider taking Kmart.
Billups overrated????????????
if it weren’t for him, Anthony wouldn’t know what getting out of the 1st round is.
Billups>Harris
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
yes
obviousally. billups even at his age is better than devin harris, nothing against harris.
i agree with u gallo
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Billups is terrible, and he does absolutely NOTHING to get his teammates involved. Watching him on this FIBA team is torture.
whatever
Unlike Melo, Billups is a champion. And he’s the reason Anthony can say he finally got out of the 1st rd once.
I watched when BILLUPS led the Nuggets to the CF, something Anthony was unable to do prior to Chauncey’s arrival. The same way Chauncey led the Pistons to an NBA title, which is something I can’t even imagine Anthony doing.
What’s your point? that Melo is a better player for FIBA tournamente bc he won the gold medal and Billups is not playing well with team USA (in your opinion)?
Billups lost to the Nets
Two years in a row.
So I suppose by your logic, he wasn’t a good enough player to lead a team at that point.
Who did Billups lose to with the Nuggets, see above.
I know Melo is better because I watch the way he plays, not because of anything else. He went out to get the dirty boards, and garbage points and led the team in most all years except for 08 when Wade went crazy.
Whoops, have to comment.
Good observation. Yeh, he can score. But one of the things that makes him special, is his grittiness. He wills his way to the finish. Very under appreciated part of his game.
I get it. We need someone like that, its that simple. To win it all without someone like that is much more difficult then NOT.
explain yourself dude
pierce won it all as the go to scorer and Melo is better than pierce. how are you so confident melo isnt that player. Againn with the right pieces Melo can win just like pierce did
how are you so confident melo isnt that player
Pierce is a far more complete player than Anthony, plain and simple, he could score in the low post using his strengths as Melo does, and besides that he’s the better shooter and the better overall player, he can pass the bal and help his teammates, somethings Anthony is absolutely incapable of doing.
Not to mention Pierce is and have always been a much more better TEAM player than Anthony.
Wow. You hear all the time that Melo is that player. He is the most complete scorer in the game. He has the size to back down the bigger players, and the speed to make athletic drives… to boot he can shoot with range, and has a soft touch. He is like PP but younger, and athletic.
No
He cannot shoot with range.
He is not like PP when he was young.
Can he pass the ball the way Pierce used to do?
Can he shoot it from downtown the way Pierce does?
Does he possess the team 1st mentality Pierce displayed when the C’s won the championship?
Melo would demolish Pierce in lowpost scoring,
Melo gets to the basket easier and draws more fouls. Pierce averages about the same assist Melo averages. Just because its not Melos place to be an assit man on the team doesnt mean he cant do it. look in the playoofs Melo had 4 a game. And again Melo is 25 this is no the finished product so yeah
Then there is no talking to you then. You dont watch him apparently. You dont watch him on the olympic team when he takes over, you dont watch his intensity on the NBA…
that's the best you've got
Just because I don’t agree with your idealized vision of Anthony doesn’t mean i don’t watch games, if that’s the only resource you’re left with, then it’s you who is not worth discussing with.
I’m flat out SICK of this Melo fans who take offense at anyone’s comments stating they don’t believe he’s the superstar those Mleo fans believe he is.
see the thing
is you keep thinking as the Nets keeping either Favors or Harris.
Where the reality of the situation and as many have pointed out.
Discussions about Melo begin with Favors and Harris.
I would like to keep one of Favors.
As Shea pointed out.
Trading Favors and Harris leaves us with a starting point guard and a future big man.
Trading Favors or Murphy leaves us without any PF
That is what the problem is.
Wait are you saying Deke was not as close to where Lopez is right now.
You are aware I’m talking about Dikembe Mutombo.
4 time NBA defensive player of the year. 8 time all star. 3 time all nba. 6 time all nba defensive.
2nd all time blocks. Actually led the NBA in rebounding.
ONE OF THE BEST BIG MAN OF ALL TIME.
YET YOU ARE SAYING HE WAS NO WHERE AS CLOSE TO WHERE BROOK LOPEZ IS RIGHT F%(%()ING NOW!!!!!!?
Are you high? If so pass me some because I need some of that shhhhhhh right there.
I love Brook Lopez but dude hasn’t even average 10 rebounds a game yet.
It’s too soon to say Deke was not close to him.
I understand your other point though. Melo can be building piece but I see him more as cog not a central piece.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
This year? Maybe not too far
But you’ve certainly built a pretty solid team to build from.
That is the point you keep missing.
we are forgetting
Melo’s age.1st round exits at age 21,22,23 is not badas far as im concerned he could of beena 24 year old Finals MVP if it wasnt for Kobe the other year. Melo is young and can grow and still hasnt hit his prime. But my ideal trad would involve outlaw, idk if that can happen. But melo and a fully developed Favors and Brook may be a championship team. Not to mention that may attract another BIG name
What?
Did you really use Kobe Bryant as an example?
I seem to recall a few rings once he got some players around him via trades.
How many rings does he get
if they traded that player they refused to traded when the Nets offer Jason Kidd??
How did the Lakers do when that same player was hurt but they had Gasol??
How many rings have they won with him being in the line up???
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saying
The “12 win team” thing doesn’t really apply, unless we were coming back next season with Yi and Lee and Kiki coaching again, and no bench. Adding Melo to THAT 12-win team would be a no-brainer.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
We can't deal Favors
No people have said this but if we dealt Favors are team would be gutted. Not just because we lose hopefully our PF of the future. But I just started thinking of it like this. To make the salaries work we’d have to give up Murphy or Harris too. So Harris and Favors is obviously way too much and guts us. But Murphy and Favors leaves us nothing at PF which also guts us.
Not true. Favors+Outlaw gets you 11.15 million. Just need one other player or even Jarvis Hayes. Nuggets would wait until December to get Favors.
And if you don’t want to deal Favors, you might as well give up. Only hope is for the value of DJames + TWill to go way up.
And if that happens, Nets fans might have 2nd thoughts about giving up 2 new stars with a long future.
Outlaw can't be dealt for a few months
I’m going by the assumption this deal happens before then. I also don’t see them wanting to take back his contract or years at this point.
My thought is this
I’m not sure how high the Nugs are on Favors. They just picked up Sheldon Williams for nothing. Williams looked a lot lie Favors – when drafted. In 2006, Williams was the fourth PF picked out of the FIRST FIVE PICKS. None of them are worth a hoot, though Portland could still be the winner here.
What I would say, is that from your top three, you have to give up one, from Favors, Lopez or Harris. You pick…. I’m assuming Murphy in included for cap purposes (unless we wait for Outlaw). The reason why Harris could work is that it would give the Nugs the option to play Chauncey at two, he could play alongside Harris or Ty Lawson – which they did last year.
Outlaw can't be traded for months
I’m assuming this trades goes down before. Also don’t see them wanting Outlaw money and more to the point years at this point.
Anyone
who thinks we SHOULDN’T trade for Melo without giving up Favors or Lopez is smoking some serious cheeba.
That's ok with me
If someone’s going to trade all their good players just so they can be an average team featuring Carmelo, better them than us.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
I take that back
Bulls wouldn’t be losing all their good players in that trade.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Hopefully not
I’m a little scared about putting too many eggs in the Carmelo basket, but we seem to have enough to land him and still have a nice squad to put on the floor. It’s just kind of scary to actually make that move and decide for the foreseeable future that the Nets will be the “Carmelo Anthony team.” I’m sure Avery and Billy King have a much better idea than me, so if they make the move I’ll trust it’s the right one.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Put is this way
Any trade to get him w/out giving up Favors/Lopez gives us a trio of Melo/Favors/Lopez for a lonnnng time. That is something I sure as hell am not afraid of.
Oh well
Is this just baseless speculation or does this rumor have legs?
I think that we have more to offer Denver as far as their rebuilding efforts go, but whatever. I just notice how in every rumor, every team is reportedly giving up next to nothing and the Nets have to gut their team.
I don’t care what happens. If he goes there, we’ll have to keep building from the bottom up. Nothing wrong with that.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I know!
They’re like hopefully the Nets won’t have to part with Lopez to make the deal, meanwhile the Bulls are giving Luol Deng and and old lamp.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
exactly
and why would they want to take on that extra salary for Dung er Deng, who is owed like what, 53 million dollars and his deal doesn’t expire until the end of 2013-2014?
But we’re supposed to trade Lopez, Harris, Favors, and several #1’s to Denver?
This is why this is all a bunch of bull excrement.
No one knows what’s going on.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
because its all speculation
its all BS…people expect us to believe everything….we have no idea what rele going on….its all BS
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
no1 said
harris, lopez, favors, and 1’s…..
where is the article?
yeah it would take favors or brook lopez in any deal. if you think the nuggets are going to give up their superstar without lopez or favors, you are sadly mistaken.
Not really the point
the point is Star players in these situations NEVER get close to equal value. The notion that the Nets would deal Lopez is hysterical, and if Favors was in the deal that would be the extent of what the Nets would be sending to Denver.
Just a question
Can you remove the “!” at the end of GALLO?… just a question, because it annoys me for some reason
and while you're at it, stop trolling over here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
it was meant to be tongue in cheek
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
deng
is 25 years old and a damn good player. the money is an issue though, i agree. overpaid, but dont act like deng isnt good.
He’s no Anthony Randolph, I’ll tell you that much brah brah
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no
no he’s not, but he is better than outlaw, williams.
in your own, delusional world.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, you meant Luol Deng?
Yeah, I guess he is.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You're too good a blogger to keep talking...
about the Nuggets “rebuilding.” It’s Reload and Rebuild. Picky maybe, but huge difference.
hahahahhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
“Reload and Rebuild”
pffffffffffthahahahHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. LOL. ROFL. LMAO.
No offense, but we were told that we were “reloading”, or as the dishonest folks in the nets brass at the time put it, “retooling” a few years ago, and the next thing we knew, we were licking our own stool off of the floor that is the bottom of the NBA. Good luck man.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Nets arent going to trade for Melo
We need twill, harris, murphy and favors…
we dont have useless expiring contracts to include in a deal…we have all the draft picks in the world but that alone wont get it done. I think nets arent in the race at all….
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
And Nets will want to extend him a few years for much less than he is currently getting.
Murphy isn’t a key player for Nuggets. He would be included mostly to get salaries to match.
Favors is the player Nets have, who Denver would wait for.
Not according to quote from King
King said he didn’t get Murphy to be an expiring. He said we will sit down at the end of the season and talk about a new contract.
Yeah he didn't get him to be an expiring
And then Melo came up, and now he is a possible trade piece.
@Andy
we dont have useless expiring contracts to include in a deal
Exactly. It’s not an Eddy Curry or Bobby Simmons type of expiring contbract we’re talking about. Murphy may not hold more value to the Nuggets than that of an expiring contract, but it’d be a significant loss for the Nets.
Would be giving up Murphy for nothing.
Murphy, DJames and TWill could very well be 3 very important pieces to the future of Nets. We will know better by early December. That doesn’t include those draft picks, which could possibly be used to secure someone else, if a Melo deal isn’t in the works.
I don't understand you
Giving up Murphy for “nothing”. Nothing? Carmelo Anthony dude. What are you talking about?
And waiting until December is the gamble that our players aren’t playing well and we are a very bad team, and now Denver doesn’t want a thing to do with us.
I'm not desperate like you. Desperate people make bad trades.
by jerry25 on Sep 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not gonna call elone desperate...
…because I see his side of this argument as well, but I do agree that we shouldn’t be rash out of desperation.
Rash, meaning trading Favors.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Outlaw is the contract Nets fans would like to get rid of if Melo came.
However, that will only happen if Nets can start season intact and play together until Dec. 15.
By then it would be possible for all sides to have a better idea of what is involved.
There are several reasons why Nets would have advantage over Bulls.
1. What 1st round draft picks do Bulls have? With Melo, Bulls should be a top 5 team for years to come.
At least Nets have 2012 Warriors pick and Basketball people would expect the Nets to finish as high as Chicago in 2011 or 2012, if their own picks were included.
2. Luol Deng has not lived up to expectations. As long as Denver values Favors over Deng (which is very, very likely), then Nets would be preferred destination by Nuggets and Nets are acceptable to Melo.
3. What does LaLa want? New York area or Chicago?
Once again, if Nuggets want Favors, then Nets can delay well into season. They will find out Outlaw is already comparable to Deng. Nets might not even be willing to trade Outlaw+Favors+Hump+picks for Melo, by December.
outlaw
is comparable to deng…. smh rolls eyes. deng is a much better player.
why in the world would they want deng or outlaw?
they just signed al harrington. unless they are drooling over the chance to take on dengs 50 million or outlaws 5 YEARS 35 million contract i doubt it.
Are you back today
because some clown on Yahoo quoted one “source” that the Knicks are still a primary destination that Carmelo hopes to land at?
Tell us more about Anthony Randolph’s HOF speech..
Anthony Randolph a hall of famer? really?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
This thread. Read it.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/8/18/1629190/nets-not-talking-about-melo
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 9, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
cant
wait for the season to start! anthony randolphs gonna tear it up
knicks biggest pickup in the offseason
IMO
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
the march to the hall of fame begins in October
rolls eyes
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a back up center
meanwhile, your hopes and dreams lie with a dude, whose attitude is questionable, being paid 100 million uninsured and an overrated headcase with an abnormally long neck.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for nothing
But I’ve never doubted that the Knicks are the place Carmelo wants to play. I’ve always hoped we would be the “other NY” option for him given Brooklyn coming and our assets for trade.
But if the Knicks had the pieces, I don’t think there is any doubt he wants to play there more than anywhere.
by eLonepb on Sep 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
And people say that Outlaw is overpaid.
Deng is the definition of overpaid.
That two extra years for Travis is pocket change for Prokhorov. Our owner isn’t broke like some of these fools.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the problem I see, doomed if we do, doomed if we dont.
If we do get Melo I fear we will be giving up more then we can afford to give up as a team. Will that bring a title?
If we dont get him, well, we have no superstar, and we are banking on Favors… and he wont even be starting this year! Another total gamble.
No doubt Carmelo Anthony is superb.
He is as good of a scorer as anyone in the league…He literally can score in anyway.
But i dont see how a trade for carmelo would help the nets…I can see how it would hurt the nets though
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Huh?
You don’t see how a “superb”, “good of a scorer as anyone in the league”, that can “score in any way” could help the Nets?
not if it means getting rid of harris, favors, twill, etc. etc.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Well obviously if we don't trade the team
But some people here would be mad if we gave up assets that would leave us with a team that included: Lopez, Harris, Favors, Carmelo, Morrow, Outlaw, Farmar
that's crazy
no way that is bad line up.
That is scary team.
But I know that will not happen.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the trade mentioned above
Is better than the Bulls offer:
T.Williams
D.James
T.Murphy
GS #1
NJ #1
2nd rounders
$3m Cash
It’s a lot, but when you end up with the lineup I mentioned above, you have a lot of time and room to grow, and you are starting with an incredible foundation.
As much as love T-will
I can not complain from that offer.
We lose Twill but gain a scorer like Melo/
Yet we keep two great young bigs.
A team with melo Favors can focus more on the defense and rebound and not worry about offense.
That is scary but I doubt that would happen.
The Nets pull that off they basically 
denver.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 9, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Eh I dunno
They are getting quite a lot in that deal. I don’t see other teams even offering that much. I’m liable to believe we could even keep James and maybe one of the first round picks.
Doubtful
Who is offering up players of that caliber on other teams?
There’s no reason the Nets need to give up their best players just because they have them. Mainly because other players aren’t either.
You don’t see Chicago saying they would trade Derrick Rose. Why would we trade Devin Harris? Or Lopez? Or Favors?
Personally, I would do a trade involving Favors just because he’s an unknown. Most here wouldn’t and I can understand that. Only prob with that is you have to include either Harris (not happening) or Murphy which would leave us with no PF.
Why would we trade Devin Harris? Or Lopez? Or Favors?
agree. in fact, Melo+these 3 is ok with me, we can get another murphy and a bunch of hot prospects.
Huh,
None of the three is dominant.
Not even one of the three?? You’re not very interested, then, which is fine.
why should we give up any of those players?
Every other deal you guys are being offered allegedly is paltry compared to what you want the Nets to give up.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless we count Noah
And in that case, the Nets would have to step up and offer Favors.
Which may or may not be worth it to upper management.
Thats a deal iv'e been posting for a long time
but I noticed the Nets were giving up two pieces who haven’t proven themselves and a guy that really wants to be here in Troy Murphy my trade propsal is this trade is going to allow Nets to keep T-Will and Derrick Favors still be active next year in free agency and have a balanced team.
Harris, James, Hump and Ross can get packaged Harris could get sent to a third team like Portland
Portland Gets:
Harris
Humpries
Denver Gets:
Rudy
James
Portland could aslo give up pieces like Williams or Mills or Pendegraph or Cunningham or Johnson
Pryzbilla
Ross
Picks 4(NJ) 2(PL)
Nets Get:
Melo
Bayless or Johnson or Mills
Only reason Denver won’t do it is because they think they can get more for him Favors and T-Will as well but its not happening. If Melo doesn’t sign the extension they have to get something even if it means Gallo/Curry.
Lineup: Billups/Lawson Fernandez/Affalo James/Smith Martin/Harrington Nene/Prysbilla
Only reasons Nets won’t do it is because Harris and James are young talented players (who Avery is in love with), but so is Melo and Bayless, they get better and still have a chance to spend 10 Million in Free Agency . This trade allows T-Will to play the point more often and get more minutes from everyone instead of Harris taking up 36mpg and keep their future and get younger, but Melo could reject the trade because Harris is involved.
Lineup: Bayless/Farmar T-Will/Morrow Melo/Outlaw Murphy/Favors Lopez/Petro
Only reason Portland won’t do it is becuase well there s no reason why Portland will not do it Bayless has wanted out, Fernandez as wanted out a Pryzbilla is always hurt.
Lineup: Harris/Miller Roy/Matthews Butum/Babbitt Alridge/Humpries Oden/Camby
i'm fine with that line up
I just balk at the idea of trading Lopez and Favors.
as you all know.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bulls not in the running
Many have said it above—the Bulls don’t have enough to get a two team deal done. Deng has a boat anchor contract. While reasonably talented, his fragility and mediocre play give him at best negligible worth. Deng, Gibson, Johnson, and bad draft picks still doesn’t balance, and I can’t see the Bulls giving up Noah or Rose. So even if Melo wants to go to Chicago, Denver won’t make a deal with them.
So what’s left? We are still contenders for this guy, but we can’t overpay. Translation: no Favors, no Brook, no Harris. If Murphy, TWill, D. James, Hump, the GS pick, two 2nd rounders and $3 million for a signed Melo and Balkman doesn’t get it done, let’s move on.
Let the Nuggets take Kevin Martin, Knicks picks, and stiffs like Jeffries and Hill from the Rockets. Or let’s see if Sterling can sweet talk Melo into signing that extension with the Clips (they have some nice pieces like Kaman and Gordon that they can move, and a Clips draft pick is always a possible #1 with their luck). NO could offer Melo Paul as a teammate and Denver a package like West, an expiring Peja, Thornton, and picks for Melo and JR Smith (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2egmzv7). Lots of GM are calling but few can offer what we can. I like Melo, but if our bid isn’t enough, I’m OK with that.
by jabez on Sep 9, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
a rockets fan came on here yesterday
talking about that the only thing HOU is giving up is Scola, Battier, Hill, and picks.
This is getting absolutely stupid.
You have idiots in this thread running around saying that we have to give up Lopez or Favors, yet no other team is even giving up anything even coming close to that
basically…this carmelo talk is has fallen into the abyss of stupidity.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
because
the rocket fan knows exactly what morey is going to offer? this dude knows as much as you……
of course you would have to give up favors thats not even a question.
the
Knicks have the best shot. carmelo controls his destination and he wants to be a Knick.
the circus is in town
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
How messed up are the Knicks
When their fans honestly believe that the right thing to do is to nortgage the future for a mediocre present.? There are so many past examples, but the one that springs to mind is the Knicks sending Nene and Camby to the Nuggets for Antonio McDyess. Yeeouch! And it’s not just in the past. The Knicks just dumped their past two seasons and their draft picks for the near past and future for the right to max out Stat. And their fans are generally pretty happy about it. Getting trade advice from a Knicks fan is like getting health tips from Dr. Kervorkian.
Knicks fans don't care about the future
which is why they’re cool with their idiot GMs trading all of their 1st rd picks away
which is why they are also doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. But let them talk. They have 100 million on torn up knees and with one good eye.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you giving up Randolph?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy for you to say
A big man would be obviously attractive, so either Noah or Scola works.
What makes Houston attractive, is Scola, Battier (expiring, but good), a bag a bones and those intriguing draft picks.
if that's what you're going to take...
….a 30 yr old PF on a 5 year deal, if i’m not mistaken, then why should we offer you anything of value aside from young prospects other than Favors/Lopez, expirings, and picks?
It’s baffling. That deal is garbage for a team that is trying to rebuild. You want to pay Scola out the ass while bottom feeding in the West for the next 5 years after Melo is gone?
I give up.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume you been 'round the block....
Nuggets just picked up Sheldon Williams for a song. Who knows, maybe he’ll have found his home. The bigger point is that he was picked 5th, in a year (2006) when 4 of the top 5 picks were PF’s. So far, none are worth much, though LeMarcus may still work out.
So would I rather have Favors, who could be really good, or not so much….. or a proven Big at a very reasonable value.
It’s about the value. A good team needs many pieces. Scola a nice piece.
Who wants to rebuild from the bottom, with free agency…. which is why Scola’s price is attractive.
Melo is Mr. Clutch
If you were going to choose one player to challenge Bryant for his title of Mr. Clutch, it would have to be Anthony. Not only do his 13 winning/tying shots put him tied for fifth for the most clutch shots made in the past 10 seasons but he was not in the NBA yet for three of those 10 seasons. Furthermore, he has a superb 13-for-28 shooting mark in those situations (46.4 percent) and has proved he could do it in the playoffs, as well, nailing a 3-pointer with 1.0 seconds left in Game 3 of the Western Conference semifinals against Dallas last season.
Some of you really need to stop hating.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=4983889
by eLonepb on Sep 9, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Annoying
He’s not even remotely close to being traded yet, considering the GM is opposed to it and they haven’t met yet. This is all speculation. Let’s relax. At the end of the day, the Nets have top assets whereas the Knicks (as you all know) don’t.
by corky_romano4life on Sep 9, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
Two Cents from a Nugs fan.....
I like the nucleus that the Nets have started to put together. Still lots to do. But since the team won’t be moving till (when ?) the organization may prefer to let this group have time to grow. Lots to be said for that.
Melo could be a huge addition and you would seem to have as much appeal as anybody. The big question is what is the new owner’s (real) short term strategy (aside from any proclamations).
2 seasons, starting in October
after that, we’re in NY.
And please, let someone say something stupid about playing in Newark.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for joining the conversation
All we really have at this point is that he wants to make the playoffs this year. The five year championship statement is fine, but far enough away to not get too concerned with right now. One point to note is that the owner probably figured we’d land at least one bigger star during free agency.
As a man who likes the best things in the world, I would have a hard time not imagining they go hard for Carmelo, even to the point I mentioned before about possibly giving up Lopez. I’m glad to see they aren’t going down that road.
We have 2 seasons in Newark, and then we’re in Brooklyn. Just as a point to note, Newark is the newest basketball stadium in the NBA outside of the one they are opening this year in Orlando.
I think a lot of people here would be fine to let this group grow and see what we have, but a good majority would be willing to give up some of these young unproven talents (and future talents in the form of draft picks) for a player of Anthony’s caliber. Anybody else no way.
I think the real question is whether the Nets are actually on Melo’s list of teams he’d play for.
by eLonepb on Sep 9, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
are we really on his list? It would be nice to know right now.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would you not be on the list....
Look, the only way the Knicks have a chance is if they would decide they prefer Melo to Amar’e. Add in Wilson Chandler, that’s an easy deal to make. Not sure the Nugs are big on the risk of a healthy Amar’e, though.
I said above, of your top three, Lopez, Favors, and Harris, you should have the ??? to give up one. Moving to Brooklyn, what’s not to like by the Melo LaLa clan..
With Harris, the Nugs could run Chauncey as a combo. His skills still exist at the two… On Favors…In 2006, four of the first five picks were PF’s. Only LeMarcus still has a chance to live up to potential, but hasn’t meant much yet.
It's not Denver's list
It’s Carmelo’s. We’ve heard speculation that is just rampant all over the place. Today it’s the Bulls, a few weeks ago it was the Nets, a few weeks before that it was the Knicks.
All I’m saying is that we don’t know whether we are actually on his list of teams. One NBA agent said there was no way at all he would ever play for Houston. Another report says Houston is on his list.
It’s Lebron James all over again.
They will need to work together....
It’s true that neither can dictate to the other, so they’ll have to each compromise/work together. Not LeBron because Melo not the super dooper that LBJ was, but he’s next in the quality line.
I gotta believe both Houston and the Nets are the two most obvious choices, though Chicago might work, if they are willing to give up Noah. Nuggets might like Deng at half Melo’s price (new contract).
Understand, I’d prefer Melo stay, but not my choice.
We'll gladly give you Harris.
snicker….
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
SO nuggs fan..
who you trade with? cuz if im any of these teams, my offers are dropping by the day.Nuggets management is being stupid. He does not want to be a nugget and they are delaying it and lowering their offers. Now the MOST i am offering is… Twill, 3 first rounders, Hump,a second rounder and cash. Thats right. im so aggravated with the Nuggets, this is all i would offer, either take this or go get mole face and a pick from the Knicks.
What? Aggravated with the Nuggets?
They apparently haven’t even picked up the phone to talk trades, as they are waiting to talk to Melo.
Why would you be mad at them trying to keep their superstar player?
Being a little absurd here. This is a process that everyone said would take weeks. And he could end up just staying right there in Denver.
Thats what im saying
When we had Kidd, and it was evident he wanted out, we didn’t wait it out for months. We traded him for max value and ended up winning that trade. The nuggets are not necessarily aggravating me, but potential trade partners
If you were the GM, of lets say the Nets, wouldn’t you be mad that you dont know whats going with Carmelo? I know it sounds crazy, and i understand where you are coming from, but i truly believe that Melos value has decreased because of the Nuggets inability to immediately trade Mr. Anthony
Not at all
If I were the GM of the Nets, I would’ve talked to his agent to verify he would indeed sign an extension with the Nets. If he said he’s unsure, I would’ve convinced him of why it would be a great idea.
Once Melo says he’s open to it, I’m calling the Nuggets daily until they hear me out on our offer. You put a mid-level offer, and then you call around the league and get from your sources what other teams are offering and you see if you can up it.
In the end, Melo has to tell the Nuggets he’s gone officially, then the team that Melo would sign an extension with has to give the best offer for the Nuggets.
i hope to do that too
I start mid level: maybe the most enticing piece i dangle are Murphy/James. Then i start doing some packaging, but make sure not give up Harris, Twill, Lopez or Favors. If it works great, if not i want to keep what we have and maybe try him in free agency.
Yeah but
I’d give up Favors if it came down to the Nets losing the trade – just depends on who else we’re giving up.
dont wanna give up TWill and thats it for me
im not a huge Favors talent fan, i personally am a favors potential fan. For Terrence, i love his potential, but also his talent. At the end, i would give up Favors first. And again, i think Melo will not be traded till the deadline and we might be able to get him with the main [portion of the trde being picks. 3 firsts, 1 second, Murphy, James(assuming he doesnt show THAT much
Only Andres B would cosign that one
Between Twill and Favors, I’d give up Twill in an instant before Favors.
OH NOOO
me and Andres B share a lot of opinions, but honestly, i think that Terrence will be a SOLID all around player, if not better (read post.. how good can Twill become? and youll be convinced) but Favors you cant tell on. i dont want to trade either of them. I no longer care about Melo, unless the asking price doesnt include Wlliams, Favors, or Brook
Can't make up their mind... or
bloggers just get so impatient. LOL
There has yet to be a determination for a trade. What have you heard Melo say…..
Just like the GM, if it were me, I’d want him to stay. But as a 30 year old new owner (in behalf of my Dad), we don’t intend to have a nasty divorce. Not worth it.
When the time comes, if it does, to trade him, we’ll just take the best deal.
Some mistakenly assume we will want to rebuild. It’s more like reload and rebuild.
how does this have to do with my comment
my comment was about lowering his value, yours is about why Denvers GM should want to keep their star
USA coasts to win by 10 over Russia.
Mozgov – no offensive moves outside of 5 feet, per announcer.
All that matters is that Proky laugh at the Knicks.
If he has any potential, you can be sure D’Antoni will trade him, if he doesn’t fit in with his scheme.
If Petro does well, then Nets win.
Petro’s problem hopefully can be solved by Avery’s motivation.
petros
problem is he is a horrible basketball player. avery aint helping petro, petro is horrendous.
Then I can't find an adjective to describe Mozgov.
Clearly Petro is more talented that Mozgov and is about the same size.
And he has lots of NBA experience, so Petro doesn’t have to learn anything other than to listen Avery if he doesn’t give it 100%,
did
you not watch the game today? Mosgoz looked fantastic.
No he didn't. Just a large Body. He is good within 5 feet of basket as announcer said.
Mosgov reminds me of Diop, without the Girth and without the experience.
Nobody thought Bass or Diop could beb useful rotation players until Avery helped them. If Avery wanted us to sign him, he must believe he can do something similar with that guy. I’m not a big fan of this signing, but I’d rather trust Avery than you. And i find it downright comical that a Knicks fan, whose team gave that Russian dude a 3 year $9M contract, comes here to laugh at the Petro signing.
LOL @ all of that Mozgov garbage
hopefully that’s the last time we discuss that dude
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate these freaking reporters. Melo ok with Nets and Rockets. Nets likely to land Anthony. Melo only wants the Knicks. Nuggets confident Melo will stay a nugget. Carmelo Anthony only wants the Bulls and Knicks.
I dont believe any of them. These so called “sources” are stupid and are never true. Im tired of this garbage
Noah
has higher value than he is actually worth, so its very smart the Bulls will include him, but in all likelihood they will need a third team
i think noahs a top 10 center in this league…
taj+noah is a nice package
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I'd be surprised
If it happened but Deng, Gibson and Noah for Carmelo works:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dg8pdy
Interestingly, the snap Hollinger analysis is that this trade is a lose-lose (Bulls -9 wins, Nuggets -2 wins). That could be because Hollinger hasn’t seen enough of Omer Asik. Seriously, to make this trade, the Bulls would have to think that they could make a deep playoff run with him and Kurt Thomas manning the post. Not too realistic.
But I’d jump at the deal if I were the Nuggets. Noah may be a flake, but he has one of the best motors in the game. Oh, and he was drafted by the Bulls using the pick the Knicks gave them in the Curry deal.
let them do it
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chicago is ELIMINATED because if Denver won't take Deng, there isn't enough salary with Deng and Boozer off limits.
Why wasn’t the ESPN writer smart enough to figure that out???
NBATV is already citing the Melo to Knicks or Bulls story from Yahoo. However the Yahoo story says Bulls or Knicks and NBATV took the liberty to reverse the order.
You can imagine now that the Nets aren’t involved, that ESPN will be running with this NON-STORY. Chicago is eliminated without Deng. They don’t have available salary with Noah, Gibson + Johnson – only totals 5.96 million. They would be 6.9 million short.
Once again, Nets have advantage if they are willing to dangle Favors at Denver. Nets also have advantage because they have better draft picks, the possibility of using Murphy’s salary.
ESPN will never report the truth.
They said they won't take Deng, because of his contract.
And I don’t think it would be a good move for Bulls anyway, if they gave up all 4 players. Who would be the Bull’s Center?
Besides, Derrick Rose might ask to be traded if they bring in Melo to be the Superstar.
I’m sure as long as Nets dangle Favors, Bulls will hold off on any move elsewhere. Bulls don’t have good draft picks anyway.
I'll bet that noone at ESPN will tell the truth on this issue.
ESPN has been part of the problem and someone BIG should call them out.
ESPN has been silent when Nets were team in the center.
ESPN only comes out with a story when it switches to Bulls and Knicks. Then they run with it.
Its not coincidence.
ESPN has been promoting Superstar or Perish and Championship or Perish philosophy for years.
They have succeeded in changing our sports culture.
And they favor New York, LA and Chicago markets for monetary and personal reasons.
I would love to see more examples of Superstars who fail. What about Chris Bosh in Toronto?
The same Chris Bosh who followed behind DWade for 2 weeks while saying he enjoys playing mind games with the public.
LeBron and Bosh will be like the Evil Wrestlers of the NBA.
And don’t forget that DWade was probably playing a game by having people believe he was going to sign with the Bulls because he had to do what was best for his family (he actually got some sympathy).
And of course ESPN is running with the Melo story.
But they fail to say that Noah would be a restricted FA after the season and that without Deng, there wouldn’t be enough salary.
Only on ESPN insider and minimal TV coverage.
Last evening PTI had the Bulls story and of course they both weren’t aware of the salary issues.
The only thing discussed was Rose+Melo+Boozer being competition for Miami (how they get there was irrelevant).
It is the same promotion of Superstars by ESPN.
BULLS are foolish if they trade noah and gibson for melo. I think if a team was really desperate for MELO he would have been traded by now. Teams are taking their time and balking at making a move, Melo is more hype than substance.
I am with Jerry25 lets hope nothing happens till dec.
I only do the move if we can get murphy back though.
by power_njerz on Sep 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
By December, shouldn't have to give up Murphy if can include Outlaw (maybe Farmar).
Would be nice if Jarvis Hayes is still available too.
Outlaw’s value will rise by December, as will other Nets.
You hope
And if his value is way down, among other people on our team, then we’ve lost all footing in a trade negotiation.
Melo wants to be gone before the start of the season anyway.
No, Denver said they won't talk trades before they talk to Melo
And that hasn’t happened yet, as confirmed today by Denver media.
It’s been said many times that this would take WEEKS.
Good read from an ESPN reporter who actually thought this through
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/1583/dont-count-on-seeing-carmelo-as-a-bull
Deng has four years and almost $52 million left on his contract. Not to mention the fact that he has had a hard time staying healthy the past few years. Gibson is a solid player who is only going to get better, but he isn’t ever going to turn into a superstar. Johnson is a project, and it’s debatable whether he will ever earn any meaningful minutes for any team.
You’re telling me the Nuggets can’t find a better deal than that somewhere?
If you were Denver, would you prefer to take Noah or Favors?
I think Noah is overrated. Obviously, Favors is a big unknown. As objectively as I can be, if I were Denver, I’d take Favors over Noah.
Another way to think about it: If you were Avery/King, would you trade Favors for Noah straight up?
I don’t think so.
Favors of course
Noah has a year left on his contract and then he’ll want big money. Favors gives you the #3 pick in the draft with huge upside and a rookie.
From a rebuilding perspective, Favors offers more potential value.
Good point about Noah for Favors trade.
That is why eLonepb is worrying too much.
If Nets are willing to dangle Favors, they can determine the timing too.
And Bulls fans already expect to be one of top 5 teams in NBA, so they should be very hesitant about trading away Noah+Deng+Gibson+picks.
Regarding Noah, I’m still waiting for an “I was wrong” when Net Income said about 1 1/2 years ago that Noah had a limited game and that Bulls would trade Noah for Yi in a heartbeat.
Noah for Yi lolwut
Noah is a near All-Star, with potential to be All-Star… well, not if Brook improves this year, Then it’ll be Howard/Lopez the next 8 or even 10 years.
Favors is a huge unknown. He could be the next prototypical NBA PF, but he could just as well be a mere starter on a .500 team.
You are one of the few people who think this drags on to December
If you are right, I’ll be happy to say so. I think that if Melo tells the Nuggets he doesn’t want to play for them, they are going to trade before the season starts.
But my main objective to “waiting” is that if our team doesn’t play well, and our players look bad, then their trade value falls drastically.
if we start off badly, then I'm all for a Lottery pick!
Look at it this way, if we are around .500 come Dec 15, then we’re attractive destination for Melo, and we get him for cheap. If we are a .350 team, and Melo doesn’t want us, then we don’t overpay for him and we shoot for Harrison Barnes!
Ugh
I can’t live through another last year. And I can’t imagine Prokhorov has any plans to do that either.
don't get me wrong, I wish we could be .500 and get Melo for Outlaw & picks
but, in the even we aren’t anywhere near .500 come Dec 15, what are your options?
Good story. NI should post this on Move Up the Melo story for more comments (again).
I doubt ESPN would run this negative story nationwide. They cover most of the points I already made, included that Noah would have to first be extended and they would have to include Deng, which would mean that Nuggets would have about $100 million in liabilities for 2 players, for a rebuilding team.
The only points not mentioned are that
1. Rose may object to taking on an arrogant Superstar,
2. Who would replace Noah as Center and
3. What does LaLa have to say about living in COLD Chicago without the same MTV career?
deng, james johnson and or tai gibson
i feel no matter they go about this trade u just cant lose noah in the process. he is a great young center with more time to become even better. ur second option is to trade him hope he opt out next season and seek to resign him
who cares?
the article linked above is mainly about the Bulls, not the Nets, anyways. I understand the confusion. This is looking like a Nuggets/Bulls/Knicks fan site with all those news that have more to do with other teams than with the Nets.
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