The Weekend Wait
by Net Income on Sep 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
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PrintLeague offices don't open again again until Monday morning so officially, no trade can go down before then. Sorting through the details of Friday's happenings, here's what the situation looks like...and it's subject to change.
Adrian Wojnarowski reports that the Nets remain "confident" Anthony will agree, but four-team deals always carry a high degree of difficulty.
--Carmelo Anthony is either leaning toward or has already accepted the idea of playing for New Jersey and then Brooklyn. While some reports Friday night had him accepting the trade (and the three year $65 million extension beyond next season), others said the three time all-star had not. But no one said he had turned down the idea. William Wesley, aka World Wide Wes, is reportedly pushing Melo to accept the Nets' offer.
--The Nuggets have given 'Melo the weekend to accept while at the same time they're looking around for a better deal, specifically one from the Bulls that would include Joakim Noah. Chicago has thus far turned them down. The Knicks and perhaps others are looking for ways to still get in on the action. Both Nugget owner Josh Kroenke and GM Masai Ujiri were in New York on Friday meeting with Nets execs.
--The Bobcats' role in the trade remains unsettled. Either the 'Cats are reluctant to give up the 22-year-old D.J. Augustin or the Nets are reluctant to take him. If that doesn't work, a fifth team could be brought in.
--In addition to sending Devin Harris to the Bobcats, Derrick Favors to the Nuggets and Quinton Ross to the Jazz, the Nets would give up two draft picks, their own in next June's draft and the Warriors' protected (1-7) pick in 2012. Jarvis Hayes also joins the Bobcats in a sign-and-trade.
--Harris, Favors and Ross practiced with the Nets Saturday morning at the PNY Center.
--The trade would still leave the Nets with more than $15 million in expiring contracts: Troy Murphy's $11.98 million and Kris Humphries $3.2 million plus league minimum deals with Joe Smith, Stephen Graham, Brian Zoubek, Ben Uzoh and camp invites Eddie Gill and Andre Brown.
--With Harris gone and the Nets point guard corps limited to Jordan Farmar, Uzoh, Gill and maybe Augustin, the Nets are likely to make a big play for Chris Paul.
- Deal for Carmelo Anthony still 'at least' one day away from completion - Conor Orr - Star-Ledger
- Four-team trade involving Jazz in holding pattern, sources say - Brian T. Smith - Salt Lake Tribune
- Nets are near landing Anthony in 4-team trade - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Paul still could be in play for N.J. - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Dis deal foils best '11 plans - Marc Berman - New York Post
- Biggest risk in Nets' potential deal for Carmelo Anthony is trading away Derrick Favors - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Nets move closer to landing Anthony - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- Melo-to-Nets 'still developing' (UPDATE) - Ken Berger - CBS Sports
- More 'Melo-Drama in New Jersey - Al Iannazzone - The Nets Insider
- Possible 4-team trade for Carmelo Anthony - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Nets in serious talks to land Carmelo - Stefan Bondy - New York Daily News
- Knicks still eyeing 'Melo - Frank Isola - New York Daily News
- Source: Carmelo to Knicks a "moot point" - Alan Hahn - New York Newsday
- Possible four-team Carmelo Anthony trade has "legs" - Benjamin Hochman
- Bobcats waiting on Nuggets star - Rick Bonnell - Charlotte Observer
- NBA Saturday: Will Anthony Sign Off? - Alex Kennedy - HoopsWorld
- Carmelo Anthony: Be Careful What You Wish For - Brandon Ribak - CBS Sports
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Hope this is finalized this weekend
Otherwise this is my most anti-social time of the year.
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elone
I thought you didn’t want carmelo? Why the sudden change in heart.
by HabPSU on Sep 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My sarcasm meter is tingling.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Dont know the answer to this but i know the offices open only monday but can the nets and melo agree to a contract and then make it official on monday like in FA july1st-7th u agree to contract and on the 8th its official?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
*can they agree to a contract today and then make it official monday
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The trade can work as it is presently contructed
Except the Nuggets still have to get rid of one contract. Afflalo/Balkman/Lawson to Charlotte or Utah, or Andersen/JR Smith/Nene to Utah
Seriously, we have to get Augustin. What’s the big deal for the bobcats? Won’t he be playing behind Harris even if they keep him? They’re already getting a bargain. They’re trying to contend. Giving up your backup point guard to be a somewhat real contender should not be a big deal
Charlotte doesn't need Augustin, but MJ's ego is too big
They’ve got Livingston behind Harris anyway, so they don’t need Augustin, but Jordan likes to bluff, If the Bobcats part of the deal falls apart, maybe he figures he just torpedoed a division rival’s ability to land a star that could cost Charlotte a playoff berth. I say cut out NJ entirely and deal directly with Utah. Between Outlaw, Humphries & whatever else, we should have enough assets to help them dump Kirilenko and shed salary to get under the tax – that’s all they’re looking to get out of this.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope this trade break up !!!!!
At least give us one season to see how Favors and new Harris looks like.
If we can play well by our own, Melo can join us next season.
If Favors plays so well, then his trade value will go up, then we can trade him without dumping Harris.
by Jarkid Shen on Sep 25, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we get it jarkid
you hope this trade break up.
by Stromile Swift on Sep 25, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It's speculation but widely assumed
That Melo + CP3 had made some kind of agreement to play together in New York.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
Logistics would be awfully hard
Won’t really have money to sign him or the good pieces to trade or the size of cap room to be as flexible as before
$15M in expiring contracts going into next year
Murphy, Humpster, and our various min. sal guys add up to over $15M…… throwing in a valuable low salary guy (i.e. TWill) and picks might be enough to trade for CP3 this time next year.
Murphy and Hump won't be here next year
If they are, not at their current salaries and they wouldn’t be expiring contracts anymore. We have 15 million in expiring contracts going into THIS year
Murphy will be here.
His contract won’t count against the cap right? Considering you can’t get a very good pg and pf for 12-15 million, I bet he stays. With Melo, why should anyone else play defense?
His contract will count against the cap
Bird rights let you sign your own player even if you go OVER the cap, which we won’t be
Hornets awfully stupid to rid of Collison
I can’t imagine Hornets willing to let go of CP3 this year — out of pride.
I’m not sure even Kahn would be so stupid
If deal doesnt go through…
Harris and Favors are going to be pissed at us and it changes alot.
If deal does go through…
we are left with a very weak backcourt. DJ Augustine sucks and it would make no difference if we had him or not…IMO
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
oh and not to mention
2 first round picks!!!
We are giving our 3rd pick away and they want 2 first rounders? Just horrible
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yeah.. I agree we are giving up too much.
But I think it’s still worth it, since we’d get an unbelievable scorer and a decent young point guard who once played with Damion James.
Losing those 2 1st Rounders sorta hurt.. but we still have 8 left (2 1st Rounders and 6 2nd rounders), and can trade or buy a 1st rounder.
we can focus on building around this core instead of waiting for guys to pan out (Favors) or heal from injury (Harris).
@Andy
you are missing the big point team flexibility after and during the season and this is still going to be a developement process Williams, Agustine, Farmar abd Morrow all have something to prove the frontcout is pretty set with Anthony, Murphy, and Lopez with Outlaw, James and Petro being backups thats a hell of a team that can still improve and get one more piece to the puzzle.
It's a hell of an offensive team, definitely not defensive-minded.
I know King isn’t done, and I hope he realizes that we need to bring in better big men, and guys who could defend. Avery will not make anyone here a great defender. It’s possible for Terrence Williams, but I don’t see it happening to others.
Very thin in two spots
Murphy is serviceable, and complementary to the talent on the roster, but behind him they would be very thin at the 4. And without Augustin, now being held back by MJ it seems, they would be completely inadequate at the point. They’re getting very little value from Harris in this transaction.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i would be pissed if this trade won't go through by monday.
I’m starting to like this trade even though we have to give up a lot. Yup 2 first round picks , harris, favors plus some additional parts from the nets is a lot to me if we are only getting Carmelo in the deal. We need another player coming to us.
If this deal go through and we got 2 players coming back how many do we have in the roster?
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Sep 25, 2010 8:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
PG-Augustin,Farmar,Uzoh
SG-Morrow,Williams
SF-Melo,Outlaw,James,Graham
PF-Murphy,Smith,Humps
C-Lopez,Petro,Zoubek
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Zoubek could be the sweetener
If they threw Zoubek (Dukey) into the deal, maybe that might be enough for Jordan to include Augustin – an important piece for that roster. Come to think of it, Larry Brown has been a big Graham fan too, I think.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
As I was saying calm down
this thing will fall through. Yesterday reports were just to get the Bulls to blink. We will have Derrick and Devin on Monday
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 25, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions
I'd be fine with them here, but I'd also be fine with Melo and Augustin.
How come you won’t?
When you're 12-70
and everything about you is new, you wind up overpaying for free agents…and in trades. It’s a fact of life.
And this is about making Brooklyn viable. Nets will have Melo for four years, next year plus the extension. That means two years in New Jersey and two years in Brooklyn.
I’m not blaming Billy King for giving up too much. He was brought on to be aggressive and change the team’s culture. Thorn would never have done the Murphy trade. Nets insiders have told us that. Doubt he would have done this deal too.
It could in two years look like a disaster. In fact, I think it will. But in two years, the Nets will be in Brooklyn and who knows what their situation will be. This is about clearing the 12-70 rep.
Camelo Makes us better…
but now kings has to find a way to make the backcourt stronger
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Is that really the toughest thing to do?
The nba is overflowing with point guards right now. Almost every team has a good young point guard. Washington has 3 point guards in Wall, Hinrich, and Arenas. Golden state has 3 guys who can play point in Ellis, Curry, and Lin etc etc etc
We are NOT giving up too much
This is a star driven league and IMO Favors will never be a star
So any time you can trade a package of okay to good players and get back a super-star in his mid 20’s, you have to make that trade every time.
Delusions?
Yes these are our own opinions but although unlikely, what if we suck this season? What pick do we have to build with?
I’m sorry, though I would like king but just the fact that he’s giving up 2 picks and at least ours isn’t lottery protected tells you he lack imagination. This will most likely be King trend. What else do they want with Noah? Rose and 2 1st!? Cause that’s what it feels like we are giving up. Beyond stupid trade.
by Zartan on Sep 25, 2010 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well it's not like we're the Knicks
The next pick they can trade is in 2014. We’ll have 1 year of no significant rookie and that’s it. And that’s if we don’t trade for one or get one
Come on
Harris is overrated and Melo is top 10 player in L! You cant honestly compare favors to noah or harris to rose!???!! Or are you that big of homer?
by jrknight on Sep 25, 2010 9:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I will be Shocked if we suck this year is not going to happen
We are better then the Bucks we can be better then the Bobcats and Hawks, Are we better then the knicks Pistons Wiz Raptors Cavs?
this is going to be interesting i want to see how many people think we can get the 5-6 seed and get 45-48 wins
Jon Rothstein even said with this roster (melo and augustin) 47-49 wins we can get
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with NI,
Right now, if the trade is approved, the Nets looks like a disaster waiting to happen. The only hope this franchise has is that Twills plays like crazy and has a triple double every night and that the Nets can turn Murphy’s monster expiring contract for another disgruntled star at the trade deadline.
A gamble you almost have to take
Prokhorov needs a move like this, and so does the brand of the Nets.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
King is taking an awful big risk
Having this be his second trade. For the record I think this is a really poor trade and I am praying it falls through. Melo is way overhyped. We should be keeping Favors. You are right Thorn never would have made this trade because he has a brain and would never get taken by a first time GM like this. Just pathetic.
by BrooklynNets on Sep 25, 2010 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow.... a DISASTER in two years?
Why? Carmelo and Avery will butt heads? Please elaborate.
On another note, between Mark Zuckerberg’s gift and the (proposed) Carmelo trade, Newark has had a very good week. How incredibly rare.
Melo the knuckle head
Avery is a dictator and Melo is a chucker that feels he’s the star and take the shots no matter what. Even with no play set up. There needs to be a medium and I will be watching for how it plays out if the stupid trade goes through.
Melo= super hot chick that’s bad in bed, can’t cook, clean or hold good conversation.
by Zartan on Sep 25, 2010 9:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm confused.
You think what will look like a disaster in 2 years?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Too difficult to judge the trade at this point
If this leads to another LRMR-quality star such as Deron/CP3, this is a great deal. If Favors turns out to be a bust, this is a great deal. If neither happens, this is a fool’s errand.
Having said that, I think the riskier move is to retain Harris and Favors. Favors is a complete question mark. Harris is 28 I believe and probably has two prime years left, before his prime asset — speed — diminishes. Meanwhile, Anthony is a known entity. It would be riskier not to got after the known rather than hold onto the unknown.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
And as I've been saying
We now have LRMR’s seal of approval. How many teams in the league are in the Secret Society known as LRMR? Two? Miami and us. They want their clients to be teammates if at all possible. This is just the beginning. Would be silly to judge an unfinished work.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
i would prefer that LRMR had nothing to do with this team going forward...
you wanna talk about a cancer? they’re the worst of the worst.
Do they represent Deron?
If they do, I wonder if they can deliver him too, down the road.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i can't see us being better in two years than we were last year...
favors… sure
devin harris… sure…
but both? we’re over-filling one cup while leaving others half-empty (note the pessimism)
NBA Office is Closed for the Weekend?????
WHAT A JOKE!!
What is this, a Mom & Pop Strore?
There should ALWAYS be a mechanism in place to approve trades.
I don’t care if David Stern himself has to take fax’s at his summer home on Martha’s Vinyard, there is a friggin professional league, how the hell do you say “we’re closed for the weekend, get back to us on monday”
WHAT A JOKE
Still pissed at the world?
You should be happier than anyone else since we might be getting rid of Favors, who according to you has bust written all over him
I AM THRILLED
I Just don’t want to see this trade blow up because the NBA is giving Denver the weekend to re-think it or find a better offer.
I’m scared to death this deal will self-destruct over the weekend.
Lopez
Many people have not been mentioning that brook is in the final years or year of his rookie contract. I understand he will be restricted but Melo coming here will basically guarantee that he will be happy.
Also JJ is right. this now gives us the flexibility to bring in a CP3 or Deron williams.
And finally @NI. Proky is a business man. he understands that this team needs to make money now, not in brooklyn. I think there is a big picture of winning championships but making money is his short term goal. aka this trade and maybe more to follow
I don't understand some of the fans on this site
first they say keep T-Will, Morrow and Lee at the SG and sign a Vet like Joe Smith for the Last PF spot so that would mean the Nets would’ve had Favors, Hump and Smith thats not weak? And wouldn’t they had a log jam a the 2? Some fans on this site aslo contidict themselves so when Carmelo is officially here and 2 weeks have passed all of them would be saying thank God about Melo. Remeber this is coming from a team that wanted to start a the season with the following
Lopez/Petro
Favors/Hump/VET
Outlaw/James/Williams
Lee/Morrow/Williams
Harris/Farmar/Williams
And when Murphy got here they all started riding on the trade even Mr.$$$ so shame shame shame.
On a positive note
carmelo has a wonderful resume
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Is it even possible to acquire Chris Paul ...
… without trading Brook Lopez?
I don’t think so
I think if we acquire CP3 it means Lopez is going the other way
But provided CP3 receives in extensive physical and passes, IMO that’s a trade you have to make
Would you have the cap space to do so?
We give brook an extension next year and it kicks in when Paul’s a free agent
what i was thinking is Sign Tony Parker for 1 Yr with team option, and i know he probably wont take it but then trade him for paul later on in the season
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
CP3 on his way to New York
Not that I would read anything into that…. :)
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
OBTW
I love Damion Jones
I wasn’t crazy about that pick when we made it, but after watching him in the summer league and watching more film of him in college, I think that pick was a steal and he is going to be a borderline all-star.
outlaw shifts to backup murphy
and james backs up melo
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Other way around
he grabbed 10rpg in college come on now he has Shawn Marion written all over him.
Oops
I meant James
I always make that mistake!
In other news, Scalabrine got a non-guaranteed deal with the Bulls.
They don’t need Melo anymore.
Time
Time might be the enemy in this proposed trade. Having to wait through the weekend will cause these teams to think, re-think, and think again about what they are doing, including Carmelo Anthony. I like the idea of Carmelo coming to the Nets and if he did approve the trade, he could change his mind as time goes on.
If I were Carmelo
I wouldn’t sign the extension unless Wes has shown him proof that he can deliver CP3 or Deron Williams to the Nets, soon (definitely before 2012).
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Dave D wrote article on this trade
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/09/dalessandro_biggest_risk_in_ne.html
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
He has a point.
Troy Murphy is not the answer long term.
But who cares about that pesky PF position? We’ve got 25M locked up into the SF position between Melo and Outlaw. YAY!
Ugh. I need another drink.
Preferably someone that can rebound and defend.
Oh, wait…
(takes another drink)
I just realized that we endured a 70-loss season for the privilege of paying Carmelo Anthony ridiculous money.
(pours another glass)
Hey, on the bright side
OK, I got nothin’
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I got it, I got it!
We have more draft picks than the Knicks. Can’t wait for next years draft lottery when Den. has ours and Hou has the Knicks pick. The goal is to make the Western Conference better.
Season Tickets
I am def a bit more excited to go to these games now. Last season I had to pay my friends to go with me. lol
Would we rather...
Farmar/Augustine/Uzoh/
Morrow/Williams
Melo/James
Horford/Outlaw
Lopez/Petro
OR…
Paul/Farmar
Morrow/Williams
Melo/James
Midlevel/Outlaw
Lopez/Petro
I like the idea of signing Horford and seeing if Atlanta will match. I hate giving up Favors, but how long will it take before he becomes better than Horford?
Although I’m still holding out hope for…
Rubio/Farmar
Morrow/Williams
Outlaw/James
Favors
Lopez/Petro
That was my dream team opening Brooklyn
So sick of him.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I know, when you have Magic Johnson waiting in the wings, who needs Rubio!
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Aren’t they both?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Wow What a Shock
4 or so posts in this thread.
2 of them with the sole purpose of mocking another poster’s or posters’ opinion of Terrance Williams.. based upon on an inaccurate exaggeration of what some people may actually think of him.
1 or 2 meant to disparage Anthony for his shooting and defense.
You truly are the definition of a troll… one who has a single agenda of baiting others. Again, I’ve been here regularly for months, haven’t seen you in ages, have engaged in plenty of civil discussion with other posters (never had an issue with anyone), and of course as I predicted.. after not seeing you in ages, here you come to spread negativity and bait other posters on something you never weighed in on specifically until now.
These specific rumors have been swirling for weeks.. why haven’t you said anything prior to yesterday? Hmmm… could it be because no matter what happened you were only going to come here and point of the negative and feign some sort of insight that you have seen for some time (yet never shared with us) and mock others?
Notice you never even make a general statement?
All your statements are always aimed at someone or their specific reply, with the intention of baiting them, mocking them, pointing out why there are wrong etc..
Scared to put your own unique thoughts out there, particularly ahead of time?
by Jack Handy Jr on Sep 25, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And Yes Don't Worry I Am Done
You are the most pathetic poster on here, so I will not waste anymore time on you. I think mine and everybody’s posting experience has been so nice the past month or so without you. Even though we don’t always agree with each other, or the Nets, and there is plenty of negativity and criticism to go around, we know how to treat each other with respect (for the most part) and engage in civil discussion.. Something that is completely lost on you.
by Jack Handy Jr on Sep 25, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I still don't understand what people see in Rubio.
by panet on Sep 25, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Vision
He might be fragile, and he might not be a good shooter, but he’s got the vision to see plays that you can’t really teach
then again
from Proky’s POV I’m already a Nets fan so I am willing to wait, he wants more Nets fans now.
Well, Uzoh has the right attitude..
hopefully, he is a little more mature than Chris “the world is against me” Douglas-Roberts
(and hopefully he can shoot better too..).
If CDR is cancer, Melo is ebola with a side of mad cow.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For english football fans
Chelsea vs Man City is on ESPN 2, tied 0 – 0 at the half.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
thats right eLonepb
its football not soccer
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
i juss dont know
i dont know about this deal….i dont know if i like it……i dont know if i hate it….. i just dont know… my head hurts…. and im sleepy
PREDICTION
Damion James will be our starting PF by mid-season and he will have a better year than Favors.
Don’t sleep on James at PF .. that’s where he played in college and his ridiculous 7’ 1" Wingspan (along with his toughness) will alllow him to play PF in the pros as well.
I also predict he will be a better player than Favors over the long haul.
He averaged only 1.5 less rebounds during summer league than Favors
In the games they played together, he only averaged 0.45 less rebounds than Favors
Eh, it's summer league, and the better big men out there don't exactly play in the summer league.
I’m not saying he isn’t the better rebounder, it just worries me that his height would the starting PF on this team.
And Favors was playing the PF Postion
If James was playing PF he would have had more boards than Favors for sure
Don’t just like at his height, people, this kid has a 7’ 1" wingspan, is very strong, very tough and a very good athlete to boot.
I’m telling you he will be an outstanding PF in the NBA, IMO better than Favors.
I don't see him there full time
His height is still not great. Maybe as a backup there or spending time there, but as your starting full time PF playing 30 mins a game, no.
Okay, we'll see
Just remember what I told you
I want you to remember it and I want you to hold me to it
He's not going to be a PF
Avery already said he is a SF but I can see him play PF at times but doesn’t have the build for it. Favors is 246 and 6’10
Eh. Favors will most likely be better long term
but people are underestimating this James kid. Very, very good player.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
BIGTIME Underestimated
People are sleeping on him at PF due to his height, not realizing he has the same wingspan as Favors, was a better scorer at PF in college, was a better rebounder at PF in college, is tougher, stronger and a better overall athlete.
IMO James will be our starting PF for a long time and he will be an outstanding player in the NBA
Yeah and Damion James has a bigger wingspan
… than approximately 90% of the starting PF’s in the NBA right now.
Barkley was a mound of rebound with his width and elbwoing tactics. It was hard for anyone to get around him. And he was a freak athlete doing 2-handed tomahawks in games consistently off 1-leg , 2-legs , it didn’t matter. He was a hurricane.
by strange-brew on Sep 25, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
All I'm saying is that there is more than one mold for a PF in the NBA.
I’d like to see James in action at that position.
Heck, Jeff Green does well as a PF in the NBA
Why do we have keep sticking with traditional player roles?
Exactly
Barkley was built like a tank, Rodman was built like a worm
There’s more than one way to skin a cat
BTW, talk to anyone who played against McHale, including Barkley, and they will tell you it was his wingspan more than his height that made him hell to deal with for other PF’s
But people continue to overlook DJ’s wingspan … and his strength .. and his athleticism.
i can't believe some people are comparing james to barkley right now
did u guys all get a good night’s rest? i know the whole melo thing’s been keeping some of u guys form going to bed last night
People aren't comparing him to Barkley
People aren’t saying, he’s gonna be an allstar like Barkley. They’re saying small power forwards have done it before
Nobody is comparing him to Barkley
Just using Barkley (and others) as an example, that you don’t have to be the proto-type PF stright out of central casting to be effective.
Some people look only at height and overlook all other PF attributes James possesses.
James doesn't have the size/strength to play the position for long stretches of time.
Barkley was as strong as a bull and equally nimble.
Keep building him up
maybe we can get Duncan or KG. We can more first rounders to throw in. Wait, forget it. Those guys play D. We only go the elite scorers.
Can't type with my hangover.
We have more first rounders and we only go for the elite scorers.
Nice artictle by Knicks beat writer, no really
Alan Hahn on why the Knicks are out of it: http://bit.ly/byVaqM
But he gives a lot of credit to the Nets, and even says things like “we’re the next best option” and that we’ll be a globally recognized brand by Brooklyn.
Professional journalism, even as the beat writer for the enemy.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
There's no way any other team will give up as much as we are for Melo
A good starting PG, a top three draft pick, two first round picks, plus parts? No way is Noah or anything that any team can put together better than that. This deal is going through, for better or worse.
I don't think the backcourt will be an issue this year.
Morrow should be able to space the floor for both Mello and Brook.
Melo’s presence should add 5 percentage points to Brooks FG%.
Outlaw can play some PF. Damion James can do some spot work there as well. I don’t think the 4 will be a longterm issue. Finding a big man who can rotate on D, and drain an occasional jumper next to Brook shouldn’t be hard.
I am not really sold on Farmar starting, but if he has worked on feeding the post, and draining the corner three he should be fine.
Work is the scourge of the drinking classes.-Oscar Wilde
Trading Harris as well doesn't make that much sense
Until you think that trading him is the only way we’ll have cap space this summer. Unless you feel confident in Lopez-Melo-Harris as the core of your team for the forseeable future, you’re not gonna make any more significant additions. They’re probably hoping for the flexibility to add another star beside Melo, but actually getting it done would be pretty hard
I'm old enough to remember
when Favors Harris and picks was going to get us CP3 and Okafor. AND WE TURNED IT DOWN.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah....
Man, how times seem to have changed. I blame ESPN.
Fire Billy King! This trade just shows how short-sigthed he is. We won't win a championship if he's GM.
If our target then was to get Melo or any superstar in 2011 onwards, we would’ve been better off keeping the cap space we originally had and signing a serviceable PF for the year like Amundson. Cap space is very valuable and it would have made the Melo trade a simple Melo-Favors swap or a deal where we kept both Favors and Harris. Denver needed to save salary and absorbing Melo’s contract would save them millions of dollars in salary and in luxury tax.
Trading our valuable cap space and Courtney Lee for Murphy just because we wanted a ‘veteran’ presence and now Favors, Harris and draft picks because we want a famous player for the Nets brand shows how impatient King is and his lack of foresight.
Right now, we just helped the Pacers get their franchise PG in Collison and now we’ve helped the Bobcats get an all-star PG in who is locked in a bargain of a deal. BTW, we also gave the Nuggets one of the best big man prospects to come out in years and 2 of our first round draft picks.
by Air Force 1 on Sep 25, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
But they needed a star!
It’s impossible to develop those, so the Nets had no choice but to overpay to get one.
What did you want them to do? Miss the playoffs this year?
The Nets already have stars...
Devin Harris was an all-star and probably will be again this year, Lopez will surely be an all-star this year and we may have had another one in Favors. He wasn’t drafted #3 overall just because he’s raw and will take years to develop.
Lopez and Harris aren't stars.
They aren’t clutch or are unstoppable like Melo. MELO IS A TOP FIVE SCORER IN TEH LEAGUE. That’s a star.
They'd sooner get rid of Avery than Melo
10 times out of 10 they fire Avery first
by muwu on Sep 25, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wonderful. Is Melo going to be the GM, too?
Because he’d be an improvement.
by TWilliAM on Sep 25, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right now, I think...
Kobe, Lebron, Durant > Melo
Melo = Prime Tmac, VC, Iverson, Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King
Prime Tmac was way better. Ortherwise, right on.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The best one was Proky needed to make money in the short term.
Maybe he’s dropping on Forbes new list.
If we can retain Harris, then I will call this move a good trade.
But we can’t just let Harris go to the Cats. We hadn’t have a driving attack like Harris for many years. Even Kidd could only take jumpers as his weapons, but he already seldom drove to the rim.
Melo is a good low-post player with decent jumpers, we need another scorer to play with him. And everyone knows that Harris can be very efficient with another All-Star swing player.
Now we have a chance to team up Harris and Melo, we can see the dynamic duo again after Carter and Harris era.
Why not try to keep Harris, you will scream after watching Farmar starts every game for one or two years. Parker might be available, but it’s not a lock, even he is not better than Harris anymore.
CP3 has a bone-on-bone knee issue, and it’s also not a lock to get him….
so I say King better to negotiate with Nuggets again during the weekend. We must protect the young core, and try to give them hump or someone instead.
Harris can be efficient with another Allstar player, ok with(VC) and how many wins did we get out of that? how many Playoff App did we get off of that? dont get me wrong harris is talented but if we have a chance at melo now and parker or paul later.....
we wouldnt be saying all these good things about harris
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So AF1 if the nets get lets say Parker or paul and Favors is a average player and we are one of the best teams in the east what will you be saying by then?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
sheer dumb luck...
And I still think we don’t win a championship with those players. The Nets need a very capable 4 who’ll defend and rebound to cover for both Lopez and Anthony’s weaknesses.
by Air Force 1 on Sep 25, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They are overpaying big time. Getting a one dimensional player and giving up too much value. If you ignore the picks, it’s close to fair but with 2 picks added, it’s a poor trade. Seems to be driven by owner desire for a name player instead of the best long term value.
by mt57 on Sep 25, 2010 9:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dont like adding a second first rounder
favors
harris
2 first rounders
and our only cap room next year is the murphy relief
if we use that for Paul were back in power forward hell
Or we could go after Horford, and be in point guard hell.
Unless we find a diamond in the rough point guard with a mid-late first rounder.
Why point guard hell
you don’t need a superstar PG what they need is a leader and Jordan Farmar fit the bill he learned so much from Derreck Fisher why you think the Nets wanted to sign D-Fish. Allen Iverson super-star point hasn’t won $#!^ Billups , Tony Parker, and Rajon Rondo all leaders of the team where did those teams end up winning C.S.maybe.
Farmar is triple awesome
He learned so much from Fisher that the Lakers let him walk.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
what if we found a PF in the draft with the 2nd rounder or 1st rounder in 2012, to me lets judge the trade when the final roster is set for brookyln because we dont know whats up Proky,King,avery sleeve on anothr move to improve team down the road
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to the TWill is gonna be an allstar movement?
Shouldn’t we be alright with our three allstars Lopez-Melo-TWill? Iol
What do you mean IF???
I thought he was Magic Johnson incarnate?
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Oh, they should just trade TWill, too.
Maybe for another redundant piece that isn’t an upgrade over what we already have… and we could throw in another draft pick because the Nets won’t be picking in the lottery, so those picks are all worthless.
defense?
We will have horrible defense with Anthony and Murphy at the forwards. Between the Knicks and the Nets, millions of fans in our area will go a year without seeing any defense played. Look for scores to top 110 regularly.
by mt57 on Sep 25, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can't believe he is on board with this. Favors must suck
if this trade goes down or Avery is full of it.
why not just give them lopez twill and James too…. We are getting a """""""STAR""""""……………………………. Great move, Denver should have asked for more considering the moron we got running the show here in the FO
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
It's not a done deal yet and Denver thinks they can do better.
Too bad for Denver, Avery got King locked up in a closet.
If you had a choice between trading
Lopez for Melo
or
Favors, Harris, and 2 first rounders for Melo,
which would you choose?
Doubtful Nuggets do that deal ....
Is there any indication Nuggets would’ve done Lopez for Anthony? Doubtful, since they want picks and cap space. If they did, however, the question for Nets fans is whether they would hypothetically trade Brook for Devin, Favors and 2 first rounders.
by nynjlawyer on Sep 25, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good question. Very tough choice.
Probably the current deal, I really like Lopez and the pics won’t be top 10.
Give the nuggets the entire nets franchise as a dleague affiliate or something…. We obviously are just developing players for them anyway
I am going to turn this team around 360 Degrees- Jason Kidd
i want melo on this team
but only if we get DJ Augustin along too.
to those who are complaining about losing 2 first round picks, cmon, we got proky’s deep pockets now.
who knows, maybe we just buy our picks from the bobcats next season?
IF this trade does not happen, it will be disastrous from a marketing perspective because Lebron, Wade, and Melo all refused to come to our team… but then again I have faith in our team as constructed right now, at least from a long term perspective.
either case, we’re pretty good! we’re relevant! im happy.
GO NETS!
Keep in mind that
the 2011 pick may be worthless if there’sa lockout next year. I would think the top rookies won’t declare if there’s a lockout. So the 2012 draft may be the one to watch.
Underrated aspect of this
There was actually a recent article but it was insider about how the lockout could devastate the 2011 draft class
I'm thinking that
Billy “I make deals” King has this in the back of his head. If next spring rolls around and a new CBA hasn’t been reached, there’s no way that the top frosh will declare.
by Doesthishurt on Sep 25, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they might still declare, but overall it will be a weaker class.
Top guys on top won’t be the problem, it’ll be everyone that might think they could be picked higher next year or don’t want to sit through months without getting paid
Don't know
If you’re Harrison Barnes, maybe you wait til 2012 to see how the CBA negotiations go. If I’m him I’d hate to declare and then there’s a lockout. Then potentially you’ll have an entire season wasted.
by Doesthishurt on Sep 25, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if you have the top spot locked up, why risk injury? Your draft spot isn't gonna get any higher
I see what you're saying
I’m just thinking from my own vantage. I’d rather stay in school another year. Get busy with the coeds, etc. Would next year’s draft class even get paid if there’s no CBA and a lockout? If not I’m staying in school.
by Doesthishurt on Sep 25, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
If this trade goes down this weekend, after Dec 15th...
I would like to see Travis Outlaw get traded to Cleveland for Anderson Varejao, though someone else may have to be included in the deal. He would be the perfect addition to our 3 man big rotation.
Also, I think by that point either Farmar or T-Will will have stepped up and become a starting caliber PG. My guess is Farmar. He is pretty legit. I think we’ll be surprised by him.
Twill's value will be greatly
enhanced by this trade. He becomes the only true slasher. Agree on Farmar. He’ll get it done.
by Doesthishurt on Sep 25, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Murphy is better.
His outside range opens up the floor for Melo and Twill and Brook. Floppy just runs around causing mayhem but can’t hit a 10 footer.
by Doesthishurt on Sep 25, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Outlaw for Varejao?
Wouldn’t we have to throw in Lopez?
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, but if we give them TWill, we’ll have to include more picks.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
If it wasn't for that we wouldn't need to trade Harris
If Outlaw could go to Utah, instead of Diaw, we wouldn’t need Charlotte, the fourth team in the deal. Utah’s just looking to shed salary and Outlaw’s contract would be even better for that than Diaw’s. But since he can’t be traded until December, we end up getting virtually no value for Harris. I’m hoping Carmelo won’t sign the extension, which might still be possible unless Wes has him convinced he can deliver somebody else to the Nets by 2012.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be so against this trade
If we were some how able to keep harris. But I guess it’s a good trade overall because we are practically guaranteed to make the playoffs and Melo can attract Free Agents
I wasn't in Favor or trading Favors
But either Harris or Murphy had to go to make it work salary wise.
by Doesthishurt on Sep 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Because with Paul/Melo/Brook
The team would be a championship contender.
LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are where? On the same team? Gasol and Bynum are still in the league? Kobe hasn’t retired yet?
Eastern Conference Finals, here we come!
You mean Chris Paul can’t be a free agent for another two years and we don’t have the assets to trade for him anymore?
Really, typing while drunk isn't the best idea in the world
Guess we can add another candidate to the Isaac memorial hall of fame
Hey, not everyone feels compelled to support this suckass trade. Even sober people.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't mean you have to lace everything with melodrama (lol), sarcasm, and absolutes
Not an excuse to be an be all holier than thou
Maybe it’s not directed at you personally.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't care if it's about me or not
Don’t have to be basically a troll on your own blog, you can make your points without being an ass
The wannabe Kevin Pelton judgemental know-it-all says what?
My father died years ago. I don’t need another. Thanks.
1) That’s not what trolling is.
2)
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
2) You’re not the boss of anyone here.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Have a good rest— see you soon. It’s college football day today, anyway.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm Too hungover to type...
No to this trade. We’ll be worse off with Melo.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 25, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
lilke i said before
if melo was coming to the nets as a FA and we can have
devin
morrow
melo
favors
brook
that’d be amazing…but not this way though…this is just a bad deal for a player that’ll take nobody to the finals
Cap space to trade for a player or sign him
please stop asking the same question Harris contract doesn ’t expire after the season Murphys deos Nets would have 12 Million in Cap space to sign who ever they please or trade for another superstar.
They don't need a ALL-STAR PG
they don’t need that, did the last three Champion have All-star PG? think about it before you answer they needed a leader or multiple leaders/Team work Harris is not that no need to sign a PG unless its Billups OR D-Will they have a leader in Farmar and a really good play maker in T-Will.
yeah..and they also need players like kobe or lebron
superstars that actually play defense and care about all aspects of their game…
with Melo your gonna need the biggest super star PG to get anywhere in the playoffs
yeah if u have somebody named kobe or jordan on your team you can get away with a few things
and i dont’ know where your getting this “a team dont’ need an all star PG to win championships”
spurs
detroit
its almost like you go to game stop and trade in halo 3 and nba 2K10
and chip in $50 to get fable 2 and a new copy of Halo 3
But that's the point, you don't need to sign a 20 million dollar point guard
Teams have won championships with ones that make 5 million
Chauncey was making 5 million when they won that title
Rockets won the title with rookie Sam Cassell
can u get a player like pippen for $12mil? or gasol? or shaq?
i dont’ think so..not in their prime
the nets will need another superstar to get anywhere and $12 mil isn’t gonna get you a superstar
Its a luxury
no need when you have a 30ppg scorer on your team Billups and Parker didn’t have a 30ppg scoring wing or did they stop with the reckless comments man you making your self look bad and Melo didn’t even have a defensive minded coach Lebron had one and Kobe had one he has all the tools he needs to be a 30 8 5 guy.
Im going to compare a possible 2011-2012 Net team with the lakers that won it all this year
Bynum vs. Lopez
Gausol vs. Nene, Hordford, West
Artest vs. Anthony
Kobe vs. Williams
Fisher vs. Agustine
Mbenga vs. Petro
Odom vs. James
Vujacic vs. Outlaw
Brown vs. Morrow
Farmar vs. Farmar
Now I will ask you a question are the possible 2011-2012 a long shot away from being as good as the 2010 LAKERS. If yes why?
To compare a possible Nets team to that Lakers team is overrating the Nets.
The Lakers have better size and defense, and a better player in Kobe, and a better coach.
Yeah, pretty much. lol.
But we have a better Farmar, cuz of the different systems.
Anthony isn't better than Atest are you kidding me
Farmar isn’t better than Farmar? Morrow isn’t better tha Brown? Outlaw isn’t better than Vujacic? and James has all the tools and track record in college to be a Shawn Marion. Fisher is washed up DJ could be better if he takes charge of a team (leadership) Kobe is better than Williams, but T-Will is capable of 15 5 5 they point diff is made up with Artest and Melo Brook could be as good as Gausol and as important and Nene or Hord could be as good as Bynum I didn’t overarte them are you kidding me?
Eh, sorry, I was comparing Melo with Kobe and Williams with Artest.
I said Farmar is better than Farmar. Morrow’s a better shooter than Brown; that’s it. Outlaw, I guess he’s better, both are overpaid though lol. James, he’ll be good but not that close to being an all-star. Fisher is clutch, and pretty much plays as good a defense as Augustin. Brook is better than Bynum.
But the thing is, it’s not about one vs. one comparisons. It’s the teams as a whole. This team would have major problems defending the Lakers or any other team for taht matter.
Ok you're its not one-one comparisons
but did Denver have a defensive minded coach that didn’t mind getting into heated arguments with his star players Howard, Nowitzski and Terry this is probably going to be the best team Avery has coached none of the guys that Avery has had were known for defense especillay his star player Notwitzski but they played like a team day in day out he doesn’t have 75 win % as a coach for nothing George Karl may be a great offensive coach, but even with Billups he had seasons of 100ppg game(thats horrible and it can;t be all blmaed on Anthony, if his coach doesn’t require his players to play defense they won’t do it) never has had a season below that number in recent years Avery has had years of 93ppg game Avery is a great coach, but isn’t being recognized becuase he hasn’t won anything, but you can’t say Paul Pierce is better than Lebron becuase he has a Champ ring. Again you can’t Anthony for not wining anything and when Karl had the best scoring combo in the league Allen Iverson and Carmelo did he win anything? no becuase he let<key word his team give up 110ppg every night (who is going to win a championship giving up that many points) George Karl = Overrated Avery Johnson=Under Rated and when Billups came over in the trade Melo was more active on D becuase he played with someone who cared about D.
Hey man, I'm actually supportive of this trade, but depending on who we get after Melo, this team won't be beating teams like the Lakers.
Chris Paul and someone like Al Horford could make it happen, but that’s such a long time from now.
This is still Year 1 of the 5 Year Plan.
no are you kidding?
odom would be a starter on the nets and gasol is the best PF in the game
kobe will piss all over anthony
this has to be a joke
does everybody realive that Melo scored 28 ppg Last year
Look I dont want to sound like I’m the GM of the team, but come on. Harris is very injury prone and some reports in the past have said that he and avery havent gotten along. Favors is such a boom or bust prospect. i honestly think Avery said all those thinngs to raise trade value. With the cap space we have left we can get another free agent live a cp3. Plus realize that getting Melo means that soon you’ll probably get a cp3. Plus you have to understand that getting Melo legitimizes the franchise, and say what you want about Melo the guy is a winner. Personally I think Favors is so boom or bust that it be smart before he turns bust to trade him for a top6 player in the league.
denver had a great team the psat 2 years with so many good players coming off the bench
but they STILL couldnt’ get anywhere..
a top PG…good bigs and a great bench…
the nets are gonna need to sign D Wade after trading for Melo to be a contender…
its a bad deal
yeah..my point being after the melo trade your still gonna need to get another superstar
cause the nets as is after the melo trade are not even close to the current denver team
Well Lopez is already arguably better than Nene
Denver team had their issues with injuries and frontcourt depth as well.
speakin of Nene... he has a player option after this year.
Maybe if he declines that, we could try to sign him? His natural position is really the 4.
Wait
Melo scores a lot of points? I’ll have to reconsider my position.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Consider this
If the nuggets really are going back to the Bulls to try to ger a better deal, it could mean that Melo doesn’t want to sign with the Nets and Denver is willing to settle for a Noah-less deal. In which case there’s no Nets-Nuggets swap and the Nets start training camp with the same team, draft picks and cap situation that they have today.
with the team the nets have right now
the nets have an INCREDIBLE foundation to build on for the next 3-5 years….i mean..this team is a superstar away from being real good right now..
To get a superstar, you'd have to give away some talent.
We’re not getting anybody through the draft.
This is how i look at this trade, We not Trading for a Talented Danny Granger for Favors Harris and Picks, Were trading For Melo for those pieces, Melo is a top Player in the Nba and to get you got to give
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
True
We are the biggest suckers.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I need yet another reason to drink...
I don’t care what that stupid Ginger thinks. It’s probably something like, “OMG! MELO. THE NETS ARE AWESOME NOW! I’M A GIANT TOOL.”
Something like that.
Not to mention “IF YOU DON’T LIKE TEH TRAID YOU ARE LOST!”
I really gotta stop listening to that station.
Is the sun going to come up tomorrow?
My head tells me this is a good trade
It makes us relevant. Not just a good media buzz, but tangible evidence that we can attract stars as we head into Brooklyn.
We will not just be the last line of a column or sportscenter; “and the lowly NETS won again to improve to 22 and 25”, We will be the headline; “Melo leads the NETS to another win taking the surprising NETS to an amazing 22 and 25 keeping them in the playoff hunt as they and their Russian billionaire owner prepare to move to the spectacular new Barclay’s center in Brooklyn”.
And while we are absolutely giving up to much (Devin, Favors and two number ones is crazy crazy crazy) you have to be bold if you want to jump into the top tier of teams. This is not a kids games. We want to move off the kiddy table and eat with the big boys (on the court, in free agency battles, in the media awareness war) you have to get aggressive. You have to have faith that we will be in the game for players like CP3 and DWill going forward. That we will become what the Knicks have failed to be the past decades – a great NYC team that players want to play for because we consistently win and win big.
This type of deal is almost a given if we want to become Proky’s global brand. And I know that the global brand only works with a consistent championship contending team – so its all good.
My head tells me this is a good trade.
It makes us relevant. Not just a good media buzz, but tangible evidence that we can attract stars as we head into Brooklyn.
It a way it is about Branding. Not something to be denied.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
Good points, but when we hit BK we’ll be in cap hell with a team that doesn’t have any defense. It’s a strategy that will look good for 2-3 years, then it will become a problem. See “Knickerbockers, New York” for examples.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, it’s not going to make Melo’s little helpers (Brook, TWill, Murphy) very happy when every single game we win over 12 is awarded to Top5Melo. We’ll probably improve by 25 wins this year, and all 25 will be credited to Top5.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
My heart tells me this is a horrible trade
I love what we have created with our owner, our arena being build, our short term move to Newark, our great deep staff, our upgraded front office (not sure about King mind you), our core of talent (Lopez, Harris, TWIll), our very interesting set of complementary players (Farmar, Outlaw and Morrow), the returning local boy Murphy and our future flexibility with cap space and a rich owner. I would love to go to war with this team. Roll the ball out and lets watch the kids go after it.
My favorite player/person is Devin. As a fan you want to cheer for your team but you also want to cheer for your guy. My guy is getting sent out of town. He could see myself attaching to Favors…..but he is on another bus. I can not see jumping on the Melo reality show driven look at me ,look at me, now look at my wife, now back to me bandwagon. As a fan I need someone to love – not someone who give me stats to compute and debate.
I am a fan. Not a front office manager. Not a marketing manager. Not a financial manager. As a fan I have my heart invested in the NETS, my team, my guys. My heart tells me this is a horrible trade.
Yeah, that’s the real pisser. Now we’re supposed to root for a sucker-punching stop-snitching jerk. Normally I don’t care about players’ personal lives, but you can’t avoid it with Top5Melo.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I Like Melo, but...
Not crazy about giving up Favors. Favors is supposed to be the long-term answer at PF. I prefer James or Twill going in a trade. A frontcourt of Lopez, Favors, and Melo, all young would be very solid for many years. Why can’t King get the deal done without Favors? He’s being way too aggressive pushing this trade and if Favors becomes the next Garnett, it will be a big black mark for King. King is proving to be the disaster GM I feared he would be.
everyone is making a big deal about it but this is better than the harris and favors trade for granger
God
That would be worse. Was that a real possibility? Because it sounds like an Indiana bluff.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is awesome.
Think he’ll wear number 15?
he better
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Get a clue, people.
I’m sorry, but you’d have to be an idiot to think that this is a bad deal.
Yes, a dominant frontcourt is the most important thing to have, but the likelihood of Derrick Favors becoming one of the top 10 players in the NBA or a player as good or better than Carmelo Anthony is slim to none. Favors certainly has a high ceiling, but wasn’t this guy also seen as the guy with the highest bust potential of anyone in the lottery? You guys make it seem like he’s guaranteed to be the next Kevin Garnett. He isn’t. I don’t think he will, but he’s more likely to bust than he is to be the next great big man.
And who gives a GO NETS!!! about losing Devin Harris? Devin Harris is a below average starting point guard. He is not an All-Star! If I hear that phrase one more time my head is going to explode. Do you consider Jameer Nelson an All-Star? What about Jamaal Magloire? Kenyon Martin? Harris was a fringe All-Star that really didn’t even deserve to be there in the first place. He can never “get back to that level” because he was never at that level. He doesn’t defend, he can’t shoot, and he can’t make plays. He is a highly replaceable player. There are at least a dozen point guards in the NBA that are better than him right now and there are a dozen more that I’d rather have than him. I’m perfectly fine with going to war with Jordan Farmar for now. By including Harris instead of Murphy, the Nets still retain the flexibility to make other moves.
As far as the draft picks..who cares? They probably won’t be worth much. The Nets are likely to be a playoff team with Anthony and the Warriors pick is heavily protected. Losing those picks is really not a big deal. The Nets still have a bunch of other picks to work with as well.
And we’re not talking about Corey Maggette here. This guy is not just a scorer. We’re talking about Carmelo Anthony, one of the three or four most dominant offensive forces in the NBA. This guy is a threat to go off for 50 on any given night. You always have a chance to win with him. Last I checked, you needed to score more points than the other team to win.
The most important thing to have is a superstar. Put the superstar in place and work from there. In the Nets’ case, they would have the superstar and the big man in place. That’s a pretty damn good foundation. Players want to play with superstars. Other superstars want to play with superstars.
Yes, this is probably only a 45 win team at best right now, but you need to look at the big picture. This is not a finished roster. The Nets are full of solid NBA players with reasonable contracts that are all young and tradeable. They’ve got Murphy’s expiring contract and some other draft picks to work with. They’ve still got a ton of flexibility to make other moves.
Maybe disgruntled stars have been traded for less, but name the last superstar on Carmelo Anthony’s level in the prime of his career that was traded. Chances are you can’t.
And in shots taken.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
JASON KIDD was traded in the prime of his career.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
That wasnt part of the question. He just said Superstar and i provided an example.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
not a fair comparison. Kidd was an actual superstar, not a high-scoring celebrity.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re in the wrong discussion.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
How can you say he was a real superstar, and fault melo for not bringing his team far into the playoffs
when the same was true for Kidd? The same was true for Garnett
Kidd went to the Finals back to back. Has Melo been to even 1??
Jason Kidd is instant HOF. One of the 10 best pg’s of all time.
Will Melo be one of the all time greatest SF??? i doubt it.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah and boston also had a superstar in pierce and ran all star in ray allen
the nets don’t have that right now…
It never would have happened in the West
You can’t compare Kidd’s taking the Nets to the Finals to ’Melo’s failures with Denver because the East was so weak those two years.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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VC was not anywhere close to Anthony’s level.
by GrandKenyon6 on Sep 25, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
he was exactly at Melo’s level.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Vince Carter before he was traded to NJ
22.5 ppg 4.8 rpg 4.8 apg 41.7 FG%
And people complain already about Anthony’s 45.8 FG%, how about VC’s?
Vince Carter ages 22-25
produced 36.7 wins. Top5Melo ages 22-25 produced 28.5 wins.
(b-b-b-but he shot .417, how is this possible?)
I stand corrected. At the same age, Vince was MUCH better.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe this trade is karmic payback for that trade
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He was dogging it in Toronto from 2003 on
That’s well-documented (and quoted from VC himself). Taking his stats that year in Toronto as reflective of his ability is a fool’s errand.
His stats once he got to NJ in 2004-05:
27.5 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 4.7 APG, 46.2 FG%, 42.5% 3P%
Although raw field goal percentage is stupid to use.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Sep 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the nets are still gonna need a superstar PF or PG to go anywhere after this trade
and $12 mil isn’t gonna get you anywhere in that…
this whole trade..if it goes down..its gonna be in hopes that Chris Paul signs here…
and that’s it…
grandkenyon nice points
I agree 110%
lets grown up here we have a chance at a SUperstar and Top 10 NBA player and were crying because were giving up harris who months ago was getting ripped for always being injuried and not playing defense but now everyone who didnt like him are kissing Go Nets!!! and are crying because that injury prone guy is getting traded, and aplayer in favors who can be the next KG or the next Swift,
To me the funny thing is if we end up with our own big 3 going into brooklyn and were fighting with the Heat and Magic for the ECF app. all the guys who were against the trade are going to kiss GO nets!!! and say i was dead wrong
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not crazy about it
but it has its values, one of which is that Melo can recruit other players. It will help the Nets in the transition from 12-70 with a horrible owner in a horrible venue to a contending team with a great owner in a great venue.
Nuggets aint getting a better deal than this. They walk away with AK-47 who will work MUCH better in Karl’s system than Sloan’s, a kid with a lot of potential, two first round picks and a ton of cap space in the off season.
do you think it won't happen NI?
too any holdups, no?
by soul driver on Sep 25, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Defensively this trade sucks
Offensively its great. We will have to tweak the roster again during the season though. Hopefully we get a 4 or a starting pg.
I am still holding out hope the trade falls thru but i think everyone has gone to far to turn back now. Pray the knicks can get a draft pick b4 Mon!!
I also dont see Melo and Avery getting along at all. Melo is going to be a terrible influence on Twill also. Lets hope Avery can curb the spirit of selfishness Melo has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GidLEPzlRwE
Anyone remember this guy melo with the ultimate FLOP?? Dude was on the floor for 10 min!!! What a fraud.
This isnt gonna fly with Avery. I am telling yall either he buys in or sparks are gonna fly.
Just a thought. Iannazzone said this on 1050 last night. He says the Nets front office has certainly thought about it.
Brook Lopez, Carmelo Anthony, and Chris Paul opening the Barclays Center in 2012.
Consequences will never be the same.
Looking at this objectively, in hindsight
I proposed in mid-August the following:
Harris + TWill + Humphries + 2 picks
From the sounds of it, it’s actually:
Harris + Favors + 2 picks
So, that boils down to, am I ok substituting Favors for TWill + Humphries?
I am terrible at evaluating rookies based on college performance. I don’t know how good Favors will be.
Humphries is an expiring contract and can be moved at the deadline for somebody else. So can Murphy. So Humphries is a cipher to me. He’s not part of the big plan anyway.
So, when all is said and done, it comes down to TWill or Favors? I would prefer to trade TWill, but who knows if Favors will ultimately be better than TWill or not. If I knew the answer, I could made a definitive pronouncement on whether I approve this trade as a fan.
But basically, they substituted Favors for TWill in my original trade proposal, and it comes down to whether you are ok with that or not.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
depending on final roster
the Nets will have between $15 and $20 million in expiring contracts.
Murphy – $11.968 million.
Humphries – $3.2 million
Smith – $1.35 million
Graham – $992,000
Zoubek – $473,000
Uzoh – $473,000
No doubt that Bobby Marks has informed everybody of this
Our next target is CP3/Deron/Tony Parker.
We’re basically doing a more protracted Boston Celtics approach to roster management. It should be of no surprise to anybody that the Russians are in win-now mode rather than wait-for-the-kids to develop mode. Prokhorov NEVER said he was ok with the latter.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
After all the buzz and media exposure the Nets had with this trade proposal,
maybe its time to call it off and say that was the best media day the Nets had in franchise history.
We're currently the best trading partner in the NBA.
Everytime a “star” would be available this site would explode. The only difference is if we make this trade then the results come into play to sustain the interest. To sustain the interest we must win. No defense, no winner. We spent years of losing for this? Good luck to you and the Nets.
Better than July 8th?
No lie, that surprises me.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Sep 25, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont understand
why people think D.J. Augustin would automatically be the starting PG.
Farmar and he had almost identical stats and Farmar played for the LAKERS.
some here think that its a problem
if the Nets dont get Augustin. Hope they do, but I dont see him as a major improvement over Farmar or TWill if he keeps his head on straight.
Would be interesting now to see if we can turn TWill into a point guard
Since we have a lot of wing players if the trade goes through
That would be best case
if T-will plays defense like hes a mad man and can be great at the pointguard position. We can stick with morrow at the 2 then try to spend big money at the PF position idk but hat may be a championship team. But i doubt T-will will be a Great PG in this league sighs* wishful thinkning
I don't care about Augustin
Just get the deal done so i can get on with my life.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
Augustin may be perfect for the Nets
If TWill is the starting 2 guard, because of his defense and passing ability, he might pair very well with Augustin – a good shooter, but a little deficient as a distributer – which is why Larry Brown wants to trade him. Avery has stated that he doesn’t see TWill as a point guard – and as a former point guard himself, I trust his judgment there.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Nets actually got younger in this trade
three guys who left…average age of 25. two new guys…average age of 24.
Too much hype for it not to go through
unless something terribly, terribly wrong happens.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea
but it would be a real achievement for a GM to launch and succeed at TWO four-team trades in SIX weeks. That gives me pause.
if your throwing your all star PG and top prospects with a bunch of first roundres around people's face
i can’t imagine it being too difficult
by netsball on Sep 25, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this trade got you too net income?
the popular answers to all questions seem like…oh avery will take care of it (D) Proky has deep pockets (getting much needed help for this roster if this trade goes)
this is a bad trade.
How many teams sell draft picks every draft?
Not even trade, outright sell, for cash. It happens all the time
We used cash to get the Hawks pick this year. With that pick, we got Damion James.
Other first rounders were on sale as well.
The Heat were giving away their first rounder
The Suns sold draft picks that could have become Iguodala or Rondo
I dont know
but I will wait and see. This isn’t RJ for Yi and Simmons or VC for Lee, Alston and Battie.
I think its about even in terms of value. Would prefer it being lopsided but it aint, either way.
If he's trying to make money in the short term
maybe he will try to cut costs. Seriously, it’s not what you have, it’s what you do with it.
Story on Bobcats site, Rufus on Fire, is titled
The latest on the Carmelo trade — I can haz Devin Harris?
Consequences will never be the same.
MELO IS ADRIAN DANTLEY, english and wilkins level.
For the hell of it i looked up the top 10 sf of all time:
9. Alex English
English was one of the greatest scorers of all time, as he is 12th all time in total points with 25,613 career points. He had career averages of 21.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 0.9 steals, and 0.7 blocks per game. He also shot a tremendous 50.7 percent from the field and 83.2 percent from the free-throw line.
He was selected to eight All Star teams and was also selected to the All NBA team three times, with all of the selections on the second team. He won one scoring title in the 1982-1983 season and led the league in total points twice.
8. Adrian Dantley
Dantley was also one of the greatest offensive players of all time, as he ranks 18th all time with 23,177 total points. His career averages were 24.3 points, 5.7 rebounds, and three assists per game, along with one steal. He also shot an unheard of 54 percent from the field and a great 81.8 percent from the free throw line.
He was selected to six All Star teams in his career, along with winning the 1977 Rookie of the Year Award. He was also selected to the All NBA team twice, with both selections as a member of the second team. Finally, he won two scoring titles and averaged over 30 points per game in three different seasons.
7. Dominique Wilkins “The Human Highlight Film”
Wilkins was one of the most exciting and entertaining players in the history of the league. In his career, he averaged a superb 24.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game. He also averaged 1.3 steals and shot 46.1 percent from the field and 81.1 percent from the free-throw line. He ranks seventh all time in total points with 26,668 in his career.
He was selected to nine All Star teams and was selected to seven All NBA teams, with one of them on the first team and four of them on the second team. Finally, he won one scoring title in the 1985-1986 season and averaged over 30 points per game in two seasons.
Numbers very similar to melo. All 3 have no rings. But look at the difference in FG%!!! Melo shoots too much and poor shots! Avery this kid needs help!
Wow the NBA has watered down its product……
Melo couldn't carry Dantley's jock
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I concur. Melo is around James worthy level. Needs a great team around him to succeed. Not the one to carry a team. He is no Kobe or Wade.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Melo is around James worthy level.
Except that Worthy was an EXCELLENT and very willing defender who could defend off the dribble and in the post. A big difference.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
HERE IT IS
After the Nets trade Brook Lopez to N.O. for CP3
PG Chris Paul -- (Jordan Farmer)
SG Terrence Williams -- (Anthony Morrow)
SF Carmelo Anthony -- (Morrow/Outlaw)
PF Damion James -- (Travis Outlaw)
C Troy Murphy -- (Johan Petro)
That's not happening.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
How about we keep Brook?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
It's literally
a waste. Why have a big 3 when you can have a big 2? It’s stupid and ridiculous to trade Lopez for Paul
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Log off for a while and then come back when your head is clear.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe the Nets dont trade for paul i believe they go after Parker for 2 yrs and then go after paul in 2012, but if its trade i think its Twill,James,DJ(if we end up withhim) and picks
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
With the way Larry Brown goes through point guards
He’ll fall out of love with Devin by mid-season and we could possibly get him back anyway {joking}
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
I can't believe how GMs give Brown PG after PG.
"Sometimes it's the people. Any player can play defense, but not every player will play defense. Sometimes it's a lack of perseverance." - A. Johnson
All you guys downgrading Melo
but did Denver have a defensive minded coach that didn’t mind getting into heated arguments with his star players Howard, Nowitzski and Terry this is probably going to be the best team Avery has coached none of the guys that Avery has had were known for defense especillay his star player Notwitzski but they played like a team day in day out he doesn’t have 75 win % as a coach for nothing George Karl may be a great offensive coach, but even with Billups he had seasons of 100ppg game(thats horrible and it can;t be all blmaed on Anthony, if his coach doesn’t require his players to play defense they won’t do it) never has had a season below that number in recent years Avery has had years of 93ppg game Avery is a great coach, but isn’t being recognized becuase he hasn’t won anything, but you can’t say Paul Pierce is better than Lebron becuase he has a Champ ring. Again you can’t Anthony for not wining anything and when Karl had the best scoring combo in the league Allen Iverson and Carmelo did he win anything? no becuase he let<key word his team give up 110ppg every night (who is going to win a championship giving up that many points) George Karl = Overrated Avery Johnson=Under Rated and when Billups came over in the trade Melo was more active on D becuase he played with someone who cared about D.
one other point
they’re not finished. I dont think they are ever finished with King as GM.
if he pulls this off, he will wound up making two four-team trades in six weeks. the guy is an action addict.
Spiffy
Wake me when I know what players to root for.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
2 years ago it would have been root for Devin, and see how that worked out?
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Root for Anthony Randolph
Dude has HOF skills…
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
The team today is more of an unfinished product than the team of yesterday. We’re incredibly unbalanced. Outlaw is going to be the next casualty come December 15. King is undoing the works of Thorn, btw.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
RE: Outlaw's contract
I know people are going to say, “How can we move Outlaw with his contract?” It’s not THAT bad, and bad contracts are moved more often than common perception acknowledges. The only bad contract that I recall a team being literally unable to move in recent memory is Eddy Curry. Everybody else was ultimately moved.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Yeah Outlaw + 1st round pick for a bag of peanuts should move him out.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
we might have to throw into candy-coated popcorn and a prize.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to know when a move is King's and when he's simply following orders
Proky wants a ticket-selling face for the franchise, has basically told King to make the playoffs this year and has announced to the world that the Nets have plenty of “tradeable assets.” What would any GM do in that situation? Also, weren’t Thorn’s parting words as he skipped out the door that the Nets should grab a superstar when one became available?
So I think the FO’s thinking is, Let’s seize the day and worry about tomorrow tomorrow. But I’m still not sold on the fact that Melo wants to come here and I won’t be surprised if he starts the season in a Bulls uniform.
Well, the next priority for King
is to the find a taker for Outlaw come December 15 onward.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
At this point i dont want a sixth man of the year
that 7 mil could really be used for a Defensive PF. I would rather James be our 6th man
James, Farmar & Twill are the big winners
I agree that Outlaw is in the way. James, Farmar & TWill look like they’ll have a real chance to shine this year.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wondering
Will ESPN and all of those other sites who do season previews change things around now that Melo is likely a Net? Also, this would be before SI’s NBA preview issue, so there might be a tiny chance he ends up on the cover. “Carmelo Anthony Lifts The Nets Without Touching The Basketball”
Consequences will never be the same.
On Sportscenter this morning
ESPN ran 1,000 computer simulations and gave us 38 wins IIRC.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Damn
I had them at 37. Am I now a Nets-hater?
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
With Melo?
Well poo.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Without Melo is was probably 36 or 37.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we win 43 with Melo
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
how about the baskteball annuals
that Yahoo, Sporting News and Athlon sell for $7 each.
they didnt even have the Murphy trade!!
Only if the Melo trade falls through.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I probably would, but team context comes into play
If we had another good big man, then that’s a yes. But it’s kinda difficult if you don’t have one. Ultimately would be a no.
Straight up ?
Paul – Farmar
T.Will – Morrow
Melo – Outlaw – James
Murphy – Hump – Smith
Petro – Zoubeck
Maybe!
Any centers coming up in free agency
by strange-brew on Sep 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
NO
but we are focusing on Melo, not CP3 now. One at a time…
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Woj new tweet
says Melo still hasn’t agreed to extension..Why are there so many conflicting reports on this??
Section 129 2010-2011 @ the ROCK
I love you Isiah!
Thanks for killing the Knicks all these years, too.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The Indecision
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
by BigTom on Sep 25, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If this trade comes through...
It’s gonna create two holes that would be tough to complete… PG and PF…
PG would be a lot easier to fill with the amount of decent PG’s in the league…
PF is another story… How many times have we tried to acquire a decent PF the last couple of years?
How many times have we failed in that matter? Ever since K-Mart left, Nets went downhill…
Now we get a projected “stud” from the draft and people just give up on him because he’s raw and unproven? give him a chance people… Every rookie who got drafted(including LBJ, DWade) start off as “raw” and “unproven”… Now we all know that goes both sides(Morrison, Milicic) but just wait for it to pan out…
And just a little input: IMHO, Melo is just a VC waiting to happen… See all those top scoring VC years in Toronto? It’s just a matter of time before Melo gets injured*knocks on wood* and loses his drive for playing in a Nets uniform… The first chance he gets, he’d bolt of to another team and we’d be chanting “Melo SUCKS!” like Raptor fans… But that’s just me… That’s how I feel this would end up in.. ;)
Ugh all the conflicting reports
Too much uncertainty.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
by eLonepb on Sep 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Denver Post reports
The complicated four-team trade involving Carmelo Anthony has “legs” according to the Denver Post, though Melo still must agree to sign a contract extension.
The Nets and Carmelo both want to get a deal done before training camp starts on Monday, so the next 48 hours are critical. This deal as proposed would give the Nets Melo (and possibly D.J. Augustin), the Nuggets would get Andrei Kirilenko, Derrick Favors and draft picks, the Jazz would get Quinton Ross and Boris Diaw, while the Bobcats get former All-Star point guard Devin Harris. Denver could still jump at a better offer, but that seems pretty unlikely.
IMO i believe Anthony is coming i think there just talking contract and thats why on monday morning it can become official
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Sep 25, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions
King may be a King or a Pawn
What I liked most about Thorn deals is that you didn’t hear about them until they were complete. King has this deal leaked all over the world and now for the next 48 hours (until the league can approve the deal) every GM knows what it will take to get Melo. This is not a good situation. Yes, it gives us time to find a better deal with Charlotte and maybe some team will want Harris and be willing to give more, but now every team knows what they have to beat. Favors and Kirilinko and two mediocre draft picks is not that high a hurdle for a team to beat. Yes, I understand the market is limited by Anthony’s wish list, but still can the Knicks beat that? Could Chicago? Could the Clippers. Maybe the Lakers offer Artest and Bynum. That’s better than Favors and Kirilinko. King should have closed this baby before 5 on Friday. He may regret exposing his deal to the whole league. And why are the Bobcats making out like bandits???
Pehaps someone has answered this, but there are 2 concerns that need to be addressed.
1. Why would Nets have sent the contract of Jarvis Hayes, without receiving DJ Augustine in return?
Harris and Diaw’s salaries match. What is the purpose of Hayes? Would he make the Bobcat’s roster?
My guess is that Hayes is a remnant of the earlier deal that included Augustine – before Michael Jordan probably changed his mind – once again.
2. How can this deal be allowed if Utah is not matching salaries. Someone brought this up last night without a response.
Utah is trading away $17.8 million to Denver and receiving only $9 million + 1.1 million in salary from Charlott/Nets.
If Charlotte moves Hayes’s contract to Utah then we have about 12.8 million to Utah but 17.8 million leaving.
The Deal IS STILL REJECTED because of UTAH.
Please Explain?
Hopefully Nets plan to unload Graham before this is done.
Well…just saw all this news…Not crazy about giving up Favors but hey what are ya gonna do. My question is can any of Melo/outlaw/James jump in the 2 spot at times? Play some misnatches and go big at the 2-3-4 with something like melo/outlaw/murphy with Williams at the point. Thats a mismatch nightmare.
Outside of that, you have to give up players to get something in return…..i just hate giving up Favors. I can live with giving up Harris.
James can easily guard big 2s like Kobe. I expect Avery to use him in that role. And DJames was hitting 3s in Summer League.
Uzoh can also be a combo guard and guard some smaller 2s.
Outlaw would be playing 4 with Murphy. Of course Melo played PF in the Olympics. He has the ability to play PF, just not the desire to guard 4s. Avery may have something to say about that.
Graham is a backup and could be traded before weekend is over.
If Augustine is in deal (why not give Charlotte a 2nd round pick) I would be satisfied. Definite #6 or #7 seed with current team (with Augustine).
Just Curious, can anyone speculate who would be the leader/Captain of the new Nets??
Seems to be a problem. Harris wasn’t ideal, but with some work with Avery could have directed the offense.
Still Harris was never a Leader-type.
Can’t see Melo as leader, yet Melo wants to be respected as the “Franchise” player.
My guess is No leader to begin season. Maybe Farmar directs offense.
I sure hope Farmar can make all those alley-oop passes to Brook, that we take for granted.
I know, Lets make TWill our Leader!!
After sleeping on it, I'm beginning to change my mind
I liked the deal, but now that I’m hearing about a second #1 and that Augustin may not be included, I’m beginning to wonder if the price isn’t too high. ‘Melo is demanding to be moved, the Nuggets, counting Favors, are getting three #1’s and shedding big salary next year by taking Kirilenko’s contract. This is the best anybody has ever done for trading a disgruntled superstar – which historically command much less in the NBA trade market. I agree that if it doesn’t ultimately result in getting someone like Chris Paul for next season, it may be a step backward. Favors may well be a very complimentary piece for Lopez’ game – the reason he was drafted ahead of Cousins (who I believe will be the better pro, maybe a Hall of Famer (!) – but, who knows how good the players that may be obtained with those draft picks might be?
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
I expected that King was prepared to give Two 1st round picks, but that was without giving up Harris with no PG in return.
We need to let King know that we must have a PG back. Can someone start a poll?
There was a report that DJ Augustine wasn't a deal breaker.
I think it should be (unless Nets can get another PG back).
King needs to withdraw Harris without a PG in deal. That would put pressure on Charlotte.
Charlotte is the clear winner in this deal as of now. Jordan needs some pressure put on him
Still no one has responded to my question as to how this trade is legal from the UTAH side?
Not without Augustin
With Augustin, I guess I still like the deal, because DJ may complement TWill at the 2 very well.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Charlotte Involvement
Do they really think they can be involved in the deal with just a Diaw for Harris straight up deal? My guess is that they’re including a first rounder that’s also getting routed to Denver. That’s the only reason why I can imagine that they’re worried about giving up Augustin too.
yeah, Cats shouldn’t be able to get Harris for Diaw, that’s a joke, they need to include Augustin, and it would stilll be a pretty good trade for them.
The trade, with Augustin, is very popular in Charlotte
The comments on the Bobcats’ blog are hugely in favor of the deal. But King seems determined to get ‘Melo, no matter what the price. Unless he’s got another deal cooking for a point guard now, which I find hard to believe, they may not make the playoffs this year even with ’Melo.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Charlotte wins, Denver wins, we lose.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember this you all.
This trade is an example of the old NBA model at work. (Superstar First)
Instead of being one of the few and first teams employing the new model. (Team First)
We had begun a wonderful journey towards the new model. We were more than 1/2 way there.
Then something shiny(that has a balky back and plays no defense) popped up in the window and like an impetuous, short-sighted child in need of (false)immediate gratification, we started screaming: “Mommy, I want that! I have to have that! I need that! I must have that! Gimme that!” (And essentially traded 4 lottery picks to get it.)
When the league and it’s fans look back in as many as 3 years and as few as 1 year from now, y’all will say: “How dumb were the Nets to be so out of touch as to have used the old model, and the last team to have used it, will be the team longest to recover from it.”
Sorry, this might be worse than the LeBonBon fiasco.
ESPN is behind the Superstar first approach.
And most of the country has already bought into that concept.
ANYONE KNOW AN NBA CHAMPION THAT WAS A PURE SCORER????
Dont say Bird or Jordan. They both played defense and had intangibles to their game. I cant think of any Nba player that just scored his way to a title.
I’ll wait…………
Matter of fact i cant think of any starter on an Nba championship team who’s purpose it was just to score, meaning they slacked on defense and hustle. I was thinking Ray Allen but even he played some damn good D on kobe.
I think thats where Dirk ran into his problem, he thought he was just going to score his way to a ring.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And I’ve only read about him. I’m not that old.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Woj will be on WFAN at noon
Interested to hear what he has to say, but I’ll be on a train with poor wifi. Someone listen and provide some updates please!
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
ill do my best
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
They are talking about baseball right now
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing basketball related right now...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Woj says he thinks this will get done…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
but he thinks melo will drag it out…because he likes the attention and the drama
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
they’re talking about how the integrity of the nba is at stake….cp3 committing to a decision that wont take place until 2 yrs from now….small markets are in danger…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
woj thinks nets are giving up ALOT.
he doesnt think denver will get a better offer
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
yeah he says
the Nets are giving up a lot
Denver must take this deal.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it hurts too much to get rid of a 19 yr old…who has the potential to be great next too lopez
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
WOJ saying New Jersey has to overpay
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
World Wide Wes a big advocate of this trade.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
King or Avery might talk to him
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We dont get Dj, back this trade sucks!!! WTF!
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see how good King is on this
If he doesn’t get DJ, maybe he can make a different deal with Utah that would still put Kirilenko in Denver. Travis Outlaw?
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
NBA 2K11 released their starting 5 player rankings
Harris-78
Morrow-65
Outlaw-69
Murphy-72
Lopez-81
a few other names
Anthony-93
L. James- 97
Wade-97
Paul-95
Bosh-87
Bryant-97
Horford-78
Gasol-89
Howard-88
Wall-81
Consequences will never be the same.
Some of them are head scratching
If you want another name I’ll tell you.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Old news. xP
But don’t take these overall ratings seriously.
lol its a video game, i dont take it seriously
but its always interesting to see what they do…
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't this make the Outlaw signing moot and overpaid?
I personally prefer watching our young players grow together than to trade all those assets for one player. If this trade does happen, than Outlaw will be coming off the bench, which makes him one of the highest pay bench player in the league.
It's the MLE.
A bunch of guys are payed that much and come off the bench.
He should be moved
If King can’t get DJ from MJ, he should trade Outlaw to Utah – they just want a player at that price tag, to shed Kirilenko’s salary and get under the luxury tax.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Then I guess we'll have to trade Zoubek for Kobe Bryant.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
What will?
What combination of players will it take years from now?
by strange-brew on Sep 25, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
http://player.radio.com/player/RadioPlayer.php?version=1.1.9951&station=62
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by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy has an INJURY
hahahaahahhaha…..
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
????
huh?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
holy crap
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing we don't have to worry about is Chicago making a deal for Melo.
The media isn’t properly reporting the Noah situation.
It isn’t only Chicago who isn’t agreeing to trade Noah for Melo.
It is Noah who is refusing to sign an extension with Bulls until after Melo gets traded elsewhere.
Noah has said he wants to stay in Chicago and no deal with Denver gets done without Noah signing an extension.
So BOTH Chicago and Noah make a deal impossible. And since Denver would have to pick up the huge contracts of both Deng (to make salaries work) and Noah, then even Denver would probably prefer the current deal in place.
The sticking point is not Denver and Melo but Michael Jordan and returning a PG to Nets.
Woj saying Chicago WILL NOT include Noah at all.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If King has any guts, he'll cut MJ out and keep Harris
Maybe he can trade Outlaw to Utah instead?
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike may overplay his hand
The people in Charlotte would be really pissed if he blows this deal. They absolutely love the trade of Harris for Diaw.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Paul quietly somehow tied onto this...
Woj says now the NBA is headed towards teams packed with superstars…CP3 and Melo really want to play together…
Consequences will never be the same.
Lol
Fans on the knicks blog blame isiah for trading all their draft picks and believed they coudve drafted a stud LOL
by mlee88 on Sep 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If we get Melo what is going to happen with Outlaw and James….one moved to PF for a bit? or is someone else getting traded….there would have to be an odd man out.
Trading Melo for a very good PG and a promising PF/C would solve all our roster problems.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
Maybe add 2 more first round picks and I’d definitely do that deal.
by Air Force 1 on Sep 25, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
But what kind of sucker would fall for THAT?
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The type of sucker who already ruined one franchise (now ruining franchise #2) who has an owner who was embarrassed in the draft lotto and in free-agency and now wants to get back to everyone by betting the farm on an overrated volume shooter that doesn’t play defense.
by Air Force 1 on Sep 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Melo's options are the Nets or Denver.
The Bulls are impossible because Noah does not want to go to denver, and deng’s contract is awful. The Knicks have some good young players but they lack good picks, plus Favors>> any young player they can offer so Denver would rather deal with us.
It really is ours to lose, I’d be surprised if Melo isn’t a Net by monday.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
Denver possibly doesnt want to trade Melo to NYK because that where he wants to go...
Consequences will never be the same.
Yes I am listening. He failed to say that Noah is a deal breaker for Chicago, because he won't sign an extension yet.
He is saying that Nets don’t have any leverage to get DJ Augustine.
I disagree. King must withdraw Harris without DJ.
Maybe Nuggets will find another way to get deal done without Utah if King plays hardball.
There is always the option to trade Harris to Denver and take Lawson back.
From adrian woj twitter:
All that said, let’s remember: Melo still hasn’t committed to this deal with Jersey. Still, wheels are in motion for bigger things.
less than 10 seconds ago via ÜberTwitter
Nets know they won’t have enough assets after a Melo trade now to work a trade for CP3 in 2011. Would have to wait for free agency in ’12.
2 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
This is part of reason CP3 joined with Worldwide Wes and CAA: to be packaged with fellow stars. Once, they wanted Knicks. Now? May be Nets.
16 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter
We are not getting Dj augustine back. He says charlotte has no reason to include him in the trade.
YOOOOO Dont do this!!!!! We are getting raped!!
Jerry he is saying that Jordan doesnt have to send Dj back. The Nets want Melo so bad that it wont stop them from letting the deal go thru.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes sense.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
yes way
DJ is probably a better asset in the market than James is. No player is safe from the ultimate goal ….. building a contender!
by strange-brew on Sep 25, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That just proves our point that James is underrated.
Augustin wouldn’t even be our starting point guard. Farmar would.
Hard to say who would be (unless promises or favortism is in play). If another team had those two , it could either way. But I do know that DJ has some impressive skills.
by strange-brew on Sep 25, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lol whaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt???
Give up Damion James for a guy who’s not even better than a guy in Uzoh we already have.
Hell no! Cancel the deal b4 you do that. You should never be desperate when negotiating.
by power_njerz on Sep 25, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
But desperate is how Billy King rolls.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Our DJ> The other DJ
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
by Claud on Sep 25, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO SIR
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
After thinking about it, I think this deal is going to fall apart.
If im Melo i wouldnt come to the Nets…
people are trying to convince melo that cp3 will join him…but thats 2 yrs away!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
If Nets got DJ there would be a better chance of CP3 coming through in 1 more year via trade.
Farmar could be part of trade if he looks really good. Maybe a DJames would have high value in another year.
Point is King needs to play hardball with Michael Jordan.
He's going to have to wait two years either way he goes
this deal happens
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Knicks are laughable. Even if they traded Randolph for a 1st round pick,
Then there would be Only 1 first round pick and Gallo isn’t better than Favors by a longshot.
Much, Much better deal via Nets than what Knicks could possibly do, even if Knicks could throw in Felton.
And cap space wouldn’t work for Knicks unless they Nuggets accepted Curry (who they don’t want vs. Kirilenko).
Besides, Nuggets don’t want to do Melo any favors.
Only way Melo goes to Knicks is if he rejects other teams. In that case, Nuggets wait it out for a later time.
Sorry, Knicks fans. Zero chance at this time of Melo to Knicks.
Just recalling things. Everyone is saying a bit of different stuff, but last night
Stefan Bondy wrote this:
Reliable Source: Carmelo has approved deal to Nets.
Consequences will never be the same.
Woj's sources are usually better
But Bondy has been pretty good so far.
Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!
other than that
he has reported the same thing everyone else.
NO beat writer has been the first to report ANY of the Nets moves this summer.
It’s all been Yahoo and ESPN, with Sam Amick breaking Morrow.
Woj
Melo still hasn’t reached decision on Nets extension, source says, but big part of case being made to star is Chris Paul joining him in 2012
This is part of reason CP3 joined with Worldwide Wes and CAA: to be packaged with fellow stars. Once, they wanted Knicks. Now? May be Nets.
Nets know they won’t have enough assets after a Melo trade now to work a trade for CP3 in 2011. Would have to wait for free agency in ’12.
If we’re going for CP3, we’re gonna have to wait till 2012.
Waiting is part of it all.
Remember, it is a 5 year plan.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL at still thinking this team has anything close to a “plan”. We’re the new Knicks.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do we really have to go there?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Only Nets fans.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Sep 25, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant the team is already there.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally think this trade will be a complete disaster for the future of the franchise. I think we actually take a step back in terms of potential win total over a two year span – I think Favors will struggle this season but his second year he would provide a defensive precence that we will be lacking from now on. King was known as one of the worst GM’s in the league when he was with the 76ers and he shows that he has not improved since then with the deal. If the Bulls do not include Noah, and apparently they will not, Denver’s best trade option is Favors. I would not do a Favors for Melo deal straight up. But to offer Favors and Harris and two first round draft picks is crazy for a player Denver has to trade and is only a season away from becoming a free agent. The two draft picks – I expect both to be lottery picks, and no, no matter how much money Prokhy has, you cannot buy those. Those likely will turn into two valuable rotation players, maybe one being a good starter in the league.
I think for this deal to become a positive thing, the Nets need to get another star like Chris Paul. Which I find to be a longshot still, because we do not have the necessary assets to trade for him anymore. You have to wonder if Melo will not do the same to us as he did to Denver, particularly if there are delays to Brooklyn arena, or the team is not a championship contender in a couple years time.
The scary thing is that one of the draft picks we're giving is our own 2011 draft pick.
If we end up in the lottery and win it for Denver, it’s just the Isiah Knicks all over again.
by Air Force 1 on Sep 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Melo is the perfect Isiah player: high ppg and not much else. We ARE the Knicks.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't there also some type of ceiling on the amount you can spend / amount of picks you can acquire?
i don’t think prokohorov can just walk in and say, “hmmm i like this 2010 draft class… i think i’ll take it.”
z
Devin Harris has a contract of 3 yrs …less than $27 million
Derrick Favors 19 yrs old…potentially great next too lopez
2011 first rounder and Golden States (Potentially a Lottery Pick)
forget ’Melo…im against this trade 100% now.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Split about this Decision....
Yes, the Nets do give up Favors, Harris, and two first round picks in exchange for Anthony. Yes, that would automatically remove our best PF prospect in seven years as well as a very good point guard in Harris. And yes, those two first round picks could be mighty nifty in securing a long term young core that we all were inclined to see playing together throughout the progression of the next several years. That’s a LOT to give up.
But what does Carmelo bring to the table? He brings scoring (28.2 points last year), solid rebounding (6.6 rebounds), and star power to a team that has lacked this since moving Jason Kidd. Star players attract other star players; bringing Melo in may pay dividends later in the season. Melo is a franchise player that will make any teammate better, just like Jason Kidd was. I think the importance of this deal will be contingent upon who else Melo can attract to coming into New Jersey. Because that is the direction the NBA is going in now – bringing multiple talented players to form certain “super teams”.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle
No one is going to come to a 38 win “super team.” Melo is like Wade about as much as I am like George Clooney.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are underestimating how good Carmelo actually is. He’s a franchise player who will make any team better. Lots of players would have killed to play with Kidd because he made them better; Melo does the same.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle
No i’m not, at all. His overall production is equal to that of the 3rd best player on a championship team (Tony Parker, Odom). He averages 7 win shares a season, which is Joe Johnson/Danny Granger/Iggy territory. LeBron OTOH gets about 25.
He is the most overrated player in the game, and it isn’t even close.
by calling all toasters on Sep 25, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Who has Melo made better?
With what leadership skills, on and off the court?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 25, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not liking very much of what we give up and get in return, but....
with Anthony and the cap space we are gonna have next year, it will be more easy to atract a big name like per example Horford, and we with thw addition of 1 or 2 more chip valuable guys we can have assets to trade for a good Point Guard, wich the league is pretty loaded right now….
The problem is that Horford/ M. Gasol are Restricted Free-agents.
They are 95% likely to stay with their current team.
by Air Force 1 on Sep 25, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, Horford, can refuse to extend....but one thing is certain....
with cap sapce, Anthony and Lopez there will be plenty of good players wanting to sign with us…
Yeah, I have that idea of Horford to, but...
….like I said with cap space and Lopez and Melo we will certainly attract, good players to sign via free agent, without giving up nothing…
But DJ won't even be starting and is not a starter in this league
To me Uzoh is better and is the better prospect, DJ he is a 5’10 guard who is not that athletic can’t really create his own shot,or create for others he’s ok but not worth stopping the deal over.
This Deal is Arugably Worth Stopping with Augustin
Having an out, may be a good thing
by Jack Handy Jr on Sep 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They're undervaluing Harris in this deal
That’s what makes the trade so popular with Bobcats’ fans. They should cut MJ out of the deal and find something to make Utah happy to part with Kirilenko. If only they could make a deal involving Outlaw & maybe Humphries & whatever else to help Utah shed salary to get under the luxury tax – that’s all they’re looking to do here.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
silly
you think anything said on this forum is going to deter the Nets from making decisions involving tens of millions of dollars? Are you that naive?
Outlaw now very expendable
The reason they’ve been collecting all these cheap power forwards is they really don’t like Outlaw at the 4. At his salary, he’s become very expendable, playing behind ‘Melo. I wonder if he could fit into Utah’s plans as a replacement for Diaw, if MJ plays too hard about Augustin. It would be nice if they could keep Harris – even if just to move him for Paul or Parker down the road.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
via cbs sports
A team executive involved in the trade talks surrounding Carmelo Anthony told Ken Berger of CBS Sports that he was “not optimistic” a deal would be finalized Saturday. Another participant said the trade was “still developing.”
The Bobcats are so far unwilling to include D.J. Augustin, whom the Nets want to bolster their backcourt.
“There’s a lot of moving parts in there that could cause it to fall apart,” said another executive who is not involved in the talks. “There’s no deal breakers in there, though. If that’s what Denver wants for Carmelo — I don’t think it’s much — but if that’s what they want, they can get it done.”
“I’m not sure Melo’s sold on Jersey. I think he’s worried about going there by himself,” the executive said.
Anthony could be determining whether he wants to make a move to the Nets now with the hope that Chris Paul will join him as a free agent in 2012
“That could very well be the sticking point,” the executive said.
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
i love how he's "going to new jersey by himself"
as if we don’t have a team in place with a top 3 rated center, a once-coach of the year and 14billion in the bank…
just because two of his friends aren’t here for the fun and games, he acts like he is going it alone in newark.
if he really is this hesitant to come here, our FO fell short on acquiring the necessary pieces to make melo more confident in this move.
he’s probably sitting somewhere, looking at outlaw’s contract going,
“now why on earth did they do that? do i really want to go to a team, and spend the remaining years of my PRIME in a system that would acquire travis outlaw for $7mill a year, give up a a 3rd overall pick AND their starting PG (also considered the second “face” of this franchise, also known as the core)??
if melo’s a thinking man, or at least the people he’s put around him to make decisions, we look like the same dog and pony show that earned 12 wins last season.
bring back rod thorn, beacuse as NI put it, he wouldn’t have made that Troy Murphy deal, and probably not this one either. and RIGHTLY SO
I like the Murphy deal, but other than that...
Murphy plugged an important hole and he can be a very complimentary piece for the short term – he gave them the ability to trade for a star, but you’re right about Outlaw & the way they’re getting no real value for Harris.
by Steven Lee Katz on Sep 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
RIGHTLY SO???
Over the last four years of Thorn’s time as Net GM, while he made about $18 to $20 million, the Nets won 42, 34, 34 and 12 games.
That’s not a record of success, one that should be emulated.
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