Stein: Trade Speculation Is Nice, But Reality Is Nuggets Can Wait
by Net Income on Sep 2, 2010 7:39 AM EDT
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PrintESPN's Mark Stein reports Thursday that while everyone is putting together potential trade packages for Carmelo Anthony, the Nuggets aren't listening...yet.
Stein writes, "Sources tied to five potential Anthony suitors, reached in recent days by ESPN.com, all relayed the same story about the Nuggets’ response: They’re pretty much ending these conversations before they even start by saying that they don't want to engage in Melo talks."
How long before there's serious talks? Stein says the Nuggets want to make sure 'Melo really is dead-set on leaving. If he is, then they will pick up the phone, but don't expect anything for another couple of weeks...and the speculation could extend all the way to February trade deadline.
- Melo Sweepstakes (sorry) haven't started yet - Marc Stein - ESPN
- Hot topic: Nets' assets enough to attract Carmelo Anthony? - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Knicks and Nets still thinking future - Adam Spunberg - SNY
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It’s a shame we didn’t resign Hassell… Just look at the D in that picture.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 2, 2010 7:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
good
we can now focus on our team as it is and our players who actually are on the Nets
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 2, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
thank god all these rumors r finally dying.
now next thing ur going to hear from everyone is that they r going 2 want derron williams next. this is never going to end
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
These top tier players are only following suit.
This all started with LeBron and is having a domino effect in the NBA.
It want stop until Stern takes a stand and some sort of rules are implemented in the future to deter this type of action.
If this trend is allowed to continue, it will be a case of the haves and the have-nots. This cannot be good for the future of the NBA.
i agree
but Stern will only get up off of his rear end when the bottom line starts taking a hit.
Right now, having a team that could fill up arenas around the country and become hated like the Miami Heat is $$$$$$$$$. they should purposely play up the “bad guy” role, IMO, makes for good TV. Maybe set up a staged incident where a group of young fans try to get Lebron’s autograph, he looks at them smugly, and then ignores them totally.
Love today is Hate tomorrow, milk it for what it’s worth.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
they're not dying
story does not say they are dying. story says Nuggets want to give it one more shot before accepting offers.
the man has put his house up for sale
they must be drinking some serious moonshine over there in Colorado.
Oh well. We can sit back, relax, and watch our team grow, and hopefully Melo drives down the asking price.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I bet Denver trades Carmelo...
In the next three weeks…They are just trying to not look desperate after last weeks P.R. disaster, when talks with Anthony and his people turned ugly.
by M I K E on Sep 2, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if that meeting was as tense as the meeting between Mike Tannenbaum and Kellen Clemens that was shown last night on “Hard Knocks”.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
tannenbaum is a DB is those meetings
he doesnt even let people sit down before he tells them they’re cut. no class.
I also think that Tannenbaum is on cocaine
if you get a chance, watch him carefully if you catch a repeat of last night’s episode. Dude’s nose is constantly red and he seems very, very wired.
He definitely is a DB. The Jets organization embarassed themselves last night by even allowing HBO top air the footage of Tannenbaum strong arming Clemens like that. And then people wonder why Revis is sitting at home right now? I don’t blame him one bit.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
for real
tannenbaum is a bull in a china shop with most of that stuff. even the drive back from the Revis meeting (two weeks ago) seemed so forced and scripted. with him, then woody johnson stalking the sidelines at practice like he actually makes football decisions… i just don’t like it. i’m a giants man, but a NEW JERSEY sports fan, so i follow both.
yeah I'm a Giants fan too
but i still follow the Jets.
They are a trainwreck waiting to happen.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
not the right forum for this discussion...
but why haven’t we even seen Shonn Greene get any air time so far?? he’s by far their most exciting player (and from a fantasy standpoint) they’re biggest producer.
hahaha i know this is so OT, sorry mods
maybe Greene is too quiet?
The guys that most of the attention are Rex and anyone else who wants to make an ass out of themselves infront of a nationwide audience.
Although, I actuaLOL’d last night when Ryan said “You aren’t gonna tackle anybody!” Ryan said. “That’s why my brother got rid of your a—!” to DeAngelo Hall, and then Hall proceeded to pick off one of Sanchez’s god awful throws
I feel bad for Jets fans. I see something ugly coming.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
my favorite part
was watching braylon edwards getting fitted for suits, then broke down, practically starting crying cause he spotted a grey hair in that “kimbo slice” beard he’s rockin. so soft.
Yeah
I can say more about edwards and him being “soft”, but this is a family site.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Its never going to end
Proky promised one thing and he can’t keep his promise without a superstar T-Will will never score 25+ ppg nor will James and Murphyis a free agent after this year.
we'll know in the first two weeks of the season...
what Melo’s intentions are. if a player of lebron’s abilities (and previously-assumed ‘good character’) can give up on his team in the playoffs knowing that he was departing from that team, i wonder how all of the trade talks and rumors are going to affect Melo’s on-the-court personality.
if the nets are truly going after this guy, they should pay attention to the cues he’s giving early in the year. someone who is going to mail it in, at any point during the year or their career, we should stay away from.
I still doubt he will be a Nugget on opening night
every day he is on the roster after opening night, the Nuggets will have less and less leeway. I don’t care if he is averaging 30 ppg.
that's what i've been saying
actually…everyday starting from today would have the same effect…
this story is now a little more than a month old…
Melo has already dissed Stan Kroenke @ wedding and Josh Kroenke in Baltimore last week.
What makes anyone think Masai Ujiri can convince Melo to stay.
if he already turned down a 3 year $65 mil deal i doubt money
can make him stay
delusional people
do delusional things
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Kobe Bryant also mailed it in on the Lakers as well and then demanded a trade.
Vince also mailed it in on the Raptors. I don’t have the info in front of me now but his PPG on the Raps prior to being traded to us and what he did as a Net that season were like night and day. So we can’t assume he’ll dog it once he gets here. I don’t think he will.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think he'll dog it once he moves...
(notice i didn’t say “if” he moves)
the point is that it reveals more about the man than the basketball player when these guys try to pull this stuff. we all know melo can put the ball in the basket. its a mental toughness issue. it’s giving 100% when there is no reason except personal pride and being a contributing member to a team.
THATs why i am worried about acquiring him. i don’t care if the nuggets lose every game until he is traded. i DO care that we are moving potentially great players to pick up a guy that could just as easily mail it it (wearing a NETs jersey) and demand a trade.
I agree with you
yesterday I wrote that Melo could also be one of those guys that really could care less about winning a title.
Not everyone is born with the desire to win championships. Some guys just want the money and comfort.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
yup.
i believe i had responded to that very post with the ‘rhetorical question of the year.’
i think to a certain extent everyone wants a championship. the determination and hard work that is required of professional athletes just to get themselves into a position to PLAY professionally would scare off any athlete that only “kinda wants to win it someday… maybe.”
melo’s in a rare situation where maybe he thinks he peeked in college (maybe he did…). he already got his “ring” and that was truly his own at the time. HE won that. maybe he’s content knowing that he personally took that team to the top.
just to reiterate the point from yesterday, there is NO PLACE on this roster for an individual that does not seek the ring. complacency went out the door with ratner, yi, frank and anyone else that has since departed. we want wins. we want wins. if melo’s head isn’t in the same spot, then its up to our front office to recognize this and move on.
Agreed
I’m all for bringing Melo here if the price is right, but I’d want a Melo that’s focused on winning the big one
I can’t say what’s really going on his head, but whatever for now. If the Nuggets want to sit on their hands, that’s fine, I want to see what we have first before we trade off players. I think that our group is going to stun a few folks.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
with all the rebuilding that has gone on, i really want to see this team surprise the league BEFORE we concede to the idea that we NEED a superstar to turn this team around.
People seem to think that Lopez, Favors, Williams, and James are not going to get better. This in itself is of the more laughable things about this blog
A 3rd year center who averaged 19 and 9, enduring one of the worst run campaigns in NBA history, while facing double and triple teams, won’t improve huh?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
A REAL COACH, a coach who has a solid track record of getting the BEST out of his guys, and a coach with IMO, a solid approach to the game of basketball.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the way you guys are approaching this
I feel the same way. I’m not sure what is the best direction for the Nets. I’m not convinced that giving up some of our young talent (and depth and balance) who we have no real gauge on in terms of upside (it seems like the upside with most of them is quite enormous) for Melo is going to create the better TEAM in the long run.
by adronaline on Sep 3, 2010 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the delay works in our favor
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
So just like all ESPN "analysts"
He knows nothing!!!!!
NADA
NO No NO
LOL
Knowing BSPN, they’re only finally reporting something on Melo because it gives more time for certain teams… Cough, cough, Knicks… To get a trade offer together… Such a joke of a network.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 2, 2010 8:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wrong
he actually talked to people from five teams who said the Nuggets have said they’re not willing yet to talk trade. That is far more important than someone suggesting trade scenarios that never develop.
like this?
Watch out you might get what you’re after
Cool baby strange but not a stranger
I’m an ordinary guy
Burning down the house
Your dating yourself aunt-B, but I'll let you know how I feel about all this Melo-drama...
“I can’t seem to face up to the facts.
I’m tense and nervous and I… can’t relax.
can’t sleep, cause my bed’s on fire.
Don’t touch me I’m a real live wire”.
you don't want to mess with this guy...
alright? he’s crazy. he’s a real psycho killer… qu’est-ce que se?!?
No Mike, this is really dating myself...
OH LISTEN HERE BABY
AND STOP ACTING SO CRAZY
YOU SAY YOUR MOM AIN’T HOME
AND IT AINT MY CONCERN
JUST PLAY WITH ME AND YOU WON’T GET BURNED
I HAVE ONLY ONE ITCHING DESIRE
LET ME STAND NEXT TO YOUR FIRE
Off Topic
I heard Evan Roberts mention on the FAN yesterday that Brook Lopez was shown at the Yankee game Tuesday wearing a “Simpsons” T-shirt. Did anybody get a pic of this? I was wondering if he appeared to get any of his weight back…
most people were confused by this.
brook was wearing a shirt with his brother’s face printed on it, therefore most on-lookers thought that brook was expressing his support for the character of Sideshow Bob.
hilarious
I wish that we had Robin on this team as well
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
NETSDAILY... A blog even an average fan can enjoy.
Came here to snoop around, stir up a little chatter.
While I knew of the Nets/new ownership etc. – it was from a “distant” perspective. Good crowd here and learning all about the Nets been fun. I like your future. Isn’t it nice to have a class organization now.
Maybe in time the Nets and Nuggets will do another big trade. Nets do have some ways – several, of making a deal that both teams could like.
Until the topic heats up again, I’m signing off. Good luck with this years new faces.
In case the opportunity arises to pursue Melo, just be sure to step up and offer BOTH Lopez and Favors. Thanks in advance…. tsk, tsk.
Wow.. Seems like a very nice Nuggets fan...
and all he wants is both Lopez and Favors. Maybe we should introduce him to Andres.
Gotta respect a man
who thinks big.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
AHAHAHAHA
FYI Nets wouldn’t do Lopez for Melo straight up! LMAO, dreamer!
by Belarus4life on Sep 2, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
that's quite a bit for a small forward
u gotta go by the old rule on this one…u don’t give up a big for a wing player…especially 2 beasts
and from left field......
" The former young forward of the New Jersey Nets and human highlight real, Sean Williams signed today with Hapoel Migdal Jerusalem, Israel. Williams who played in China and Puerto Rico will arrive is Israel within the next few days and begin training with his new teammates." Part of his deal to play in Israel, is that Sean will become a Jew, the world’s tallest one. He already has learned to daven Mincha and put on Tiffilin every morning. A team of MOHELS is preparing for his Bris, as it will be a BIG JOB. Shalom Alechem Sean! AND SHANNA TOVA!
Paul from Delray Beach
Sean has been traveling all over the world. By now, he can probably write an article for High Times about all of the foreign pot that he’s smoked
what a waste
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
My mind has not changed. This is what I still think is happening. To quote myself from two nights ago:
It’s becoming increasingly clear that no offers have been made, or at least serious negotiations have not begun, because the Nuggets are still trying to get Melo to stay. Serious negotiations won’t begin until AFTER the Nuggets give up on trying to sway Melo. Therefore, it debunks the Lopez-as-prerequisite rumors.
My hunch is, if anything has occurred at all, it’s that the Nuggets have gotten word through back channels that what they’re being offered or at least what has been put on the table by other teams such as the Nets is not "good enough" in their eyes to warrant a talent like Melo, so they’re going back to the drawing board trying to woo Melo. Once they realize that Melo is an unrequited love, they’ll be stuck having to settle for what the Nets and other teams actually DO offer them, which is unlikely to include Lopez and (hopefully) Favors.
In addition, this would also explain why they’re trying to wrestle back control of the narrative, attempting to debunk Woj’s report and others that Melo wants out. They still want the frame to be that Melo will consider staying, because that is the goal they have gone back to setting for themselves — get Melo to stay.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
They are fools.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
i seriously doubt these guys want to keep Melo after the mess thats been going on the past month
i mean, what else are they gonna say publicly? that they want their superstar player out?
Nuggets Can Wait
Please, Nuggets, wait and wait and wait. The more you wait the more chances I will see my team the way it is now, which is exactly what i want. Keep Melo and continue winning those championships :)
Man, I really hope..
that the NETS don’t trade a quiet hardworking kid like Favors for a whiny Prima donna like ’Melo..
Is that nice to say about our future starting SF...
I’m starting to think that Nets will land Anthony very soon. I just hope the price is not too steep.
I know I want to see Favors play for at least 2 seasons for the Nets
i mean..the kid is 6-10 powerful
simple transference
everyone seems to be targeting their aggression back from the lebron ordeal onto carmelo. these are two VERY different players and individuals. its like people want to save themselves the trouble of hoping by just trashing the guy.
expect different results from melo than we saw from the miami beach boys. we sound like whining primadonna’s with some of the comments about melo.
Right on
He’s actually letting these guys know in advance. Cleveland thought their boy was coming back
yeah
actually, Melo is handling himself with some class as far as this goes.
He could have acted like Lebron
or Chris Paul, who is currently in the process of destroying the New Orleans Hornets.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
i like the guy. i love his game. i think the nets should work at acquiring him, but there are warning signs (as stated above) and other factors (COST) that should inform the decision.
i just don’t like reading pointless, misguided and ill-informed insults directed towards him just because he’s another player possibly changing teams in the summer of lebron. seriously, lebron ruined free agency FOREVER. we’ll never look at a soon-to-be free agent and have a positive outlook on the situation. from now on, its all “what has he done wrong/ what will he do wrong”
We're all primadonnas
We’re Nets fans, after all
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
so wrong
nets fans are the complete opposite of primas. primas fall apart if any little thing go wrong. nets fans don’t even know when to fall apart.
Nets fans are masochists
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
This is pretty good news to me. I am satisfied with our team, and anything to keep it in tact, meaning waiting longer for Melo so we wouldn’t have to give up as much(because other untradables like Outlaw would now be available) is fantastic.
yeah i wouldn't want to give up anything for Melo
we need all these players and than Melo to be real good.
I’d be willing to wait it out for a bit and see if we can get him for nothing during the summer.
But, if the CBA (collective bargaining Agreement) issue pops up..i wouldn’t be surprised he resigns..
whatever….Melo is great but he’s no Durant
herro RaRa
if/when carmelo arrives, let’s all pay a tribute to dave chapelle by chanting this at EVERY home game… thoughts?
Im starting to feel you… I was really excited about the prospect of getting him via free agency, not giving up our whole team for him.
Don't worry guys...
By the time Denver management gets through screwing things up further, we might be able to get Carmelo for Murphy, James or T-Will, and a # 1 draft pick. Not a bad deal!
i'm on the steal him
or move on boat
imagine something extremely witty here
by Gminski on Sep 2, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I REALLY HOPE
that all this Melo talk goes away.
I really want to see THIS NETS team before we start trading pieces. I really want to see Favors play. I want to see Twill’s new role. I want to see the old Harris. I want Outlaw to produce so if we have to trade him his stock is high.
Melo would be nice but waiting would be better.
Again the failed logic here
Is that if the Nets players look really bad, and Favors looks like a busy early on, and we are 2 – 15 on the season – suddenly our “assets” don’t look that attractive in a trade for Melo.
Failed Logic!!!
REALLY!!!
What if we trade Favors and he becomes a STAR. What if Melo is disgruntle and asks to be traded to again. What if Melo breaks a leg and misses two months.
What if…What if…. What if….
Before you start calling people out re-read your F’en post.
The FACTS are THE NETS have Harris, Twill, Outlaw, Favors, and Lopez.
The RUMORS are Denver wants to TRADE MELO.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!
Got enough exclamation marks?
I can only assume you were typing very angry into your keyboard. Poor keyboard.
But no, your logic is still flawed. We have a poor team right now, but better than last year. But still a poor team with not a single go-to scorer.
We lack a go to scorer, agreed
but calling this a “poor team” is pushing it.
Look at the roster, compared to last year’s sack of garbage. This team can go 10 deep and remain competitive. The question is, who will step up in crunchtime and break their man down off of the dribble?
Harris? Williams?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Not angry at all!!!
I just like to put exclamation points!!!
Anyway How is my logic still flawed? Have you seen that new stories? The Melo talks are disappearing like the CP3 rumors. Now Denver is saying that they dont want to trade him yet. Next you will see a story where Management had a meeting and Melo isnt going to talk about being traded.
Of course, as we get closer to the trade deadline CP3 and Melo trade rumors will resurface.
So why was my logic flawed again?
What is this Carmelo Anthony trade rumor? This is the first I'm hearing of it.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 2, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
John, the Nets are trying to pry Melo from Denver...
and the Nets are willing to give Denver Lopez, Favors, Harris and T-Will + (2) #1’s for an unsigned Anthony…
LOL
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
can i just say...
that i am so happy with the progress this team has made. whether the world likes it or not, the NJ Nets are major players in the NBA, despite the 12-70.
BSPN can only deny us for so long. knicks homers and denver faithfuls can only deny us for so long. the nets are here and ready to make a splash with or without Melo. in all honesty, i did not expect to be this confident in the team less than a year ago, or even 3 months ago.
Agree 100%...
That a “Superstar” would actually consider playing for us, and the team that has him, looks at our assets as the most enticing. Plus all the so called “experts” point to the Nets as the team with the “goods” to get the deal done. All this after a 12-70 season, not landing John Wall, and striking out in free agency. Pretty good position to be in after all that turmoil.
Lets go Nets…
Dec 15
Beginning at December 15, Nets can include newly signed free agents. That means, for example, that Travis Outlaw can be included in the trade also. My hope is that things drag out until at least then, giving Billy King more options in trading. In particular, I think that Outlaw may be an important chip, given that he plays the SF position (and Denver would need a SF to replace Melo). In addition, simply to make the numbers work in a trade, Nets need to include at least one high salary guy – Harris, Murphy or Outlaw.
really though?
do you think denver wants Travis Outlaw, or that contract? we don’t even want him for that, and we’re the ones that signed him two months ago!
Wait till Outlaw comes out smoking...
Nets fans will be asking…“Carmelo who”?
Followed by… “what a bargain, only 7 million a year”!
we can only hope...
but how many people were on here losing their minds when that contract was first announced? to me it seemed like we were panicking because we still needed a starting SF. now we are overwhelmed with our options. gotta love these Nets
or...
“we” meaning everyone who wants to trade the guy before he’s played a single minute in a Nets uniform
i find it silly, really
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm fine with the signing
I don’t like the two extra years, but he’s not a bad player to have at all.
When he opens up the floor for Lopez, Williams, and Harris, the crying will cease.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that Denver likely doesn't want Outlaw's contract
I understand that completely. It was a terrible contract, one that I would prefer the Nets get rid of, and one Denver probably doesn’t want. But Outlaw does fill the hole at SF for them if Melo is traded (who else do they got – Renaldo Balkman???). And he helps make the salaries match. So it might be an at least somewhat valuable piece to fill in the blanks around the centrpiece from the Nets side (say Lopez, or Favors).
Agreed. Delaying until Dec. 15 and requiring Denver take Outlaw, if they want Favors badly, is the best outcome for Nets.
Although it may appear that a trade should come within the next few weeks, there are 3 sides that would need to agree, yet most of the writers and not considering all 3 sides. That makes things much more difficult.
Waiting 6 weeks into the season is a reasonable compromise, rather than wait until mid-February.
As long as Outlaw gets starter minutes with Nets, he will impress Denver enough that they would accept a deal with Outlaw+Favors. Then you only need to add Hump or preferably Jarvis Hayes. That would be simple.
you have no clue
if this is a terrible contract or not.
Why not let the guy earn his pay before you string him up in the middle of the town square?
The Outlaw hate on here is so unwarranted, but I guess now with CDR gone, Yi gone, and with people slowly realizing that Williams can actually be a good player, someone has to be the whipping boy around here and I guess it’s Outlaw.
I thought that Outlaw was making 7 per, not 15 per season.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw that Clint Eastwood movie "Outlaw Josey Wales"...last night, scouts honor...
I don’t know if Travis is related by any chance, but if plays B-Ball like Clint played those bad guys, we will be in excellent shape.
HE GIVES GOOD FOR FRUSTRATED NETS FANS:
“Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you’re not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. ‘Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That’s just the way it is”.
MY FAVORITE LINE IN THE MOVIE:
“Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes”
Next favorite line kind of reminds me of Net Income...
NI: When I get to likin’ someone, they ain’t around long.
M I K E: I notice when you get to DISlikin’ someone they ain’t around for long neither.
who
offered outlaw 6 million or 3 years?
who offered johan petro 3 years??
morrow fair deal, actually i think it is a steal
farmar…. fair deal.
the outlaw deal, although he is a nice role player… good bench guy is way too many years and he is worth 5 million or 6 imo, not 7, but no biggie.
petro is a horrendous deal. he stinks.
think about it this way
would you rather have
petro outlaw and farmar or carlos boozer…… Carlos boozer without any hesitation. petro sucks, the nets dont need outlaw to space the floor as much with morrow, and backup pg’s are a dime a dozen.
I'd prefer Anthony Randolph
and his hall of fame neck skills, leading the charge into battle.
In all seriousness…why would we want to sign Boozer to an 80 million dollar deal over 5 years? What would that do for us? The Bulls will be pissed off in about 3 seasons when Boozer is eating their capspace and in a suit for 65% of the season.
Petro is a back up center, he’s not killing our cap. None of the players that we signed are killing our cap, in fact, they all addressed needs, and before we traded for Murphy’s expiring deal(and his services), we were BELOW the league required minimum for total salary…so all of that stuff about overpaying, it’s a bunch of uninformed garbage.
And yes, the Nets do need Outlaw to help space the floor, and provide some clutch shooting in the 4th. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re killing yourself on here when you come up with this stuff
And it’s laughable that a Knicks fan would call out the Nets for signing someone to a “horrendous deal”, when you guys bid against yourselves to sign Amare to a 100 mil contract that your team’s insurers won’t touch with a 10 foot pole. Good luck.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
if
the nets would have spent that money on a star, boozer….
they could have used favors, gsw pick, their pick, humphries, and hayes (correct me if im wrong but they could sign him for one year 4 million as an expiring deal), and say williams for carmelo anthony. your essentially giving 2 first rounders, favors, and terrence for carmelo which is a fair deal.
lopez
boozer
carmelo
morrow
harris
that starting five could win an nba championship. obviousally the bench would need to be worked out, but its not like you cant find a johan petro in the d league…. heck id rather have earl the pearl barron.
that front court is top 5 in the game obviousally and with an all star pg and great shooter to spread the floor for lopez that would be absolutely devastating.
travis
outlaw is a role player. 5 years for a role player is absurd. he should have got 3.
It's not that absurd if you think about it
But I agree that signing a player with knee problems for $100 million dollar contract for 5 years is really dumb…smh
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Sep 2, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
a bunch of idiots
yet, this guy is trying to sit here and tell us that our team is behaving in an absurd manner.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i thought gallo was done with this site?
Amare’s albatross of a contract is redic, and you guys cant even get it insured.
For example
Being able to use Outlaw’s salary allows trades like the following:
Melo, Lawson, Anderson for Harris, Lopez, Outlaw, Ross
Melo for Favors, Outlaw, Hump
Not saying I would do either of those trades. But they are the types of things that would be available under the CBA after December 15.
If we Give up FAVORS or BROOK
We are basically banking on grabbing another star in freeagency. I wouldnt like that one bit
Lopez' name for a trade involving Melo, should be banned from NetsDaily.
Sports writers are the only ones desperately trying to bring up his name for more attention.
There is also a notion among writers that Nets would do anything to get Melo. That is false.
Don’t forget that Melo would be getting paid 22.7 million for the subsequent 3 years. Favors is in the 4 million+ range. With an unknown CBA, there is no telling what the negative consequences could be.
as we saw last night on HBO...
….sports writers are now becoming blatant liars. Leave it up to these shills and hacks, and you’d think that Lopez and Favors are getting traded at the same time, along with 3 1st rd picks.
Sports Journalism is dead.
All you have to do is sit in front of your lap top, open up word, and start quoting sources that you hear from the inside of your head or that you pull from your rear end.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's kind of funny
because if you don’t have a degree your seen as a hack. But, you have these writers with all these credentials yet they seem to fabricate stories and seemingly get away with it
Callishaw....
…or whatever his name is….I don’t understand how he is somehow getting a pass for making up a bunch of garbage like that. His career should have been over as of last night because he got exposed horribly, yet, I’m sure he’ll be on Around the Horn running his mouth or still writing for whatever rag that pays him to lie.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets get a grip... Time to face reality...
Weather you like him or not, Carmelo is considered a young superstar with "charisma". Selling seats and higher T.V. ratings are a big part of the equation. Remember that Proky memo pertaining to the "casual fan" that the Nets want so badly to court and win over. Well Melo will be the Romeo to the casual fans Juliet… I knew reading Shakespeare would come in handy one day…
Sorry S/B "Whether"...
I guess I got hurricane Earl on my mind…But then again maybe “weather” is appropriate.
Like in…“You don’t have to a weather man to know which way this Carmelo wind is blowing”
Speaking of the weather... This is what Nuggets fans will be singing very soon...
“Stormy Weather” – Billie Holiday (No… she is not Jrue’s mother)
“Don’t know why, there’s no sun up in the sky
Stormy weather, since my man and I ain’t together
Keeps raining all the time
Life is bare, gloom and misery everywhere
Stormy weather, just can’t get my poor old self together
I’m weary all the time, the time, so weary all of the time"
Let me make some calls
M I K E would have to do the halftime show to our first playoff game at the Rock
Any chance Beyonce would sing backup vocals for us?...
If she’s in.. I’m in… at least I wish I was in…
I see what you did there
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good aunt-B...You must be really old... LOL
Horne’s version of the song was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 2000.
But I prefer Holidays version.
How's that cute pup holding up...
joking aside
I do own a pit bull and yes she does look like Nipper the Victrola dog or Pete, the dog on the Little Rascals.
Little Rascals?
Don’t get me started. I’m logging off now before I really lose it.. Have a great evening!
There is much for nets fans to look forward to…new location, new coach, practically a new team.
The constant melo talk is ruining it all. I can wait for the season to start.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Sep 2, 2010 12:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Its the way of life.
Upgrade from the Honda to the Lexus. Not long after you are going to want the Benz
We haven’t even tried the team we have now…lol
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
....I said to my friend, as we stood outside of the girls' locker room"
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr money… U’re really bored.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Sep 2, 2010 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
very
I can’t wait for the season to start
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok putting aside the Carmelo Rumors
What do you guys think about this Team after all is said and done?
My biggest concern is defense, but avery is a defenseive minded coach.
I think the scoring can be off the charts with this group. If Lopez makes the jump like we expect and T-will plays D, No kidding i believe by the second half of the season we can be on a Level that the Bucks were last year
ah! actual basketball discussion, a novel idea
My biggest worry is basically interior defense, and the time it will take for Favors to become a nightly contributor. I figure our starting line up will be Lopez/Murph/Outlaw/Harris, and it’s up to Avery to decide between Morrow or Williams at the 2. I’m worried that we might be a bit weak on the inside defensively with the starting unit with Lopez and Murphy in the frontcourt but I’ll live with it until Derrick is ready, and I’m sure Avery will have us playing better team defense anyway so hopefully that can disguise our flaws inside.
Other than that, I think we look pretty good for a team coming off of a 12 win season.
Offensively, I think we’re going to give teams fits. Doubling off of Morrow, Murph, or Outlaw to attack Brook will be a fool’s errand. Morrow’s threes won’t even touch the rim, all you’ll hear is “SWOCK!”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope Derrick Favors has a Keyon Martin like Rookie season
in my opinion he could he just needs to be aggresive and look to tear down the Rim every time and look to make his man remember him each time on defense and offense as of now he doesn’t look to have toughness he is more laid back but who knows. Keyon Martin was never a dominant scorer on the low post he just knew how to get by his man with his quickness and athletisism and dunked it everytime with authority something Favors can do Martin didn’t have a pure jumpshot neither does Favors but he has the ability to knock it down from 10-18ft.
Favors worst case Keyon Martin
Favors best case better Defensive and Rebounder version of Amare Stoudemire (he said it himself).
if the guards can do a better job of keeping guys out of the paint
then I can see lopez not getting burned as much, especially on switches even though i know he’s slow laterally. Brook had to do too much last season, and it definitely showed at times
great post
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
As the team is tight now
I honestly feel we are 8 to 7 seed playoff team and anyone who has seen me post before know I thought before the trade we were only winning 20,
I like how this team is built currently and the direction we are heading.
We don;t have to rush favors.
After training camp players will likely know their role on this team.
Also should know what the coaching staff expects from them.
Good times are ahead as long as we don’t make any foolish moves.
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just want to see Favors play 5 minutes in a real NBA game for the Nets...
5 minutes… Is that asking for too much??? After 5 minutes then we can trade him…
Good point about foolish moves.
Confucius says… A fool and his rookie PF are soon parted…
another good point killa
Actual ROLES will be established for our players. Not just “everyone move out of the way and watch so and so shoot”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I am with you on everything stated
NO need to GUT our team for a dynamic scorer. We can score as a platoon of guys. Like Outlaw on some nights, Morrow on others, with Harris, Lopez, and Murphy as consistent 15-20 ppg.
Hey.. Where are all the "Baby Nets" posters?
Back to school? I’m tired of all these “old” guys, goofing off at work and posting on NetsDaily… LOL
Bet they all play hooky the day Carmelo gets traded…
I was born in 1993 so I guess I’m a Baby Net.
I can’t wait to see the look on everyone’s faces on my school if the Nets get Carmelo.
It’ll be all the much sweeter after I got so much flak for watching every Nets game last year. I constantly got looks of befuddlement.
With or without Carmelo, this is a team i can be proud of.
We’re looking at hiring the Red Army choir to perform at half-time along with Russia’s top dancing bear collective
young man
I applaud you. Stay the course.
In the year that you were born, I was being made fun of by a bunch of Knicks and Bulls fans in my 8th grade class for rooting for the Nets.
One day it will all be worth it.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
strange. Now I don't know any Bulls fans in the present
Laker fans on the other hand….
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 3, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
There's nothing new in Stein's story
other than the fact that Denver is not yet entertaining offers for Anthony, and that’s just another rumor, of course.
Did you just get out of school by any chance?
Where you been? Just read most of the comments on the board, and you will of known that it was a sloooooooooow news day. LOL
yeah
It has been slow as hell around here.
I guess a lot of our fellow posters are back in school now, leaving those of us who are “working” to hold down the fort.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
training camp is a few weeks away
There will be plenty to talk about then. It will be interesting to see how the players relate to one another. Who will assert themselves as leaders and such.
Devin could be a possibility....
…since he knows Avery and the system. He will also be held accountable to lead by Avery, whether he likes it or not. It will be good for him.
I think Murph will emerge as a leader as well. Brook needs to take some of that surly behavior we saw from him last year and put it towards being a leader as well
Farmar could possibly provide some as well, since he has been apart of a winning team.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
if that happens
It will be a far cry from last year where no one stepped up to lead. But in all fairness to the team, leadership should start from the top down.
amen
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 2, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, you guys must have been boooored today!
Since my job doesn’t allow us Internet access, I’m forced to read and post from my iPhone… But the joke’s on them, Netflix now streams movies to the phone, so I’ve been watching movies instead of working all day, but I had to ignore netsdaily for the afternoon. Glad to see we won’t be able to screw up a trade for Melo til Denver is good and ready and his stock is lower than it is now.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 2, 2010 4:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Our guys value has no where to go but up. past december and we can send off murphy, outlaw, or others who are near their potential. Besides us getting out of iraq, this is the best news ive heard in awhile. no way id trade brook or favors and only one of either twill or djames. Id rather keep rebuilding the right way otherwise.
For that same reason
if there is a trade that involves him there should be a buy out mandated by the Nets. Nets give them 3 Million they pay only around 6 Million in buy out they get there two Pieces plus picks and the Nets have a guy that wants to play for them and loves the team and area since he was a little kid.
Lopez/Petro
Murphy/Favors/Hump
Anthony/Outlaw
Afflalo/Morrow/Ross
Harris/Farmar
Not bad at all Top 4 team in East no question and would be very dangerous in the playoffs.
Avery Johnson getting these guys to play D like in he did with those guys in Dallas Top 2 in east he has authority in his word you see it in Harris alone how he went from a very good defender to almost non existing in 2008-2010. Diop not the same defender, even Dampier Notwitzki wasn’t a good defender with Avery, but was decent and now he allows guys to score in bunches.
i just dreamt of melo playing with us..
and hump,ross,uzou, and 2 1st rnd pick was traded…
hmm..its just a dream anyway…
hehe nice dream...
But i really deal id do is Harris, Twill and picks. Throw in James if we have too. But no way in GO NETS! id give up Favors and Lopez. You build around those guys not give em up.
that's still a baaaaaaaaaad trade for the Nets
we’d be left with the absolute most terrible backcourt in the game.
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