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NetsDaily Off-Season Report #23

This is it, the last Off-Season Report of 2010.  By next weekend, the Nets will be doing two-a-days.  Next weekend  will be PRE-season, no longer OFF-season.  (It does appear, however, that off-season will never end, thanks to Carmelo Anthony.) We take a look at how things could go down if 'Melo Drama gets more interesting; analyze why we expect Devin Harris to have a better and healthier season; take a look at the Nets' plans for a Brooklyn practice facility and how it could help against the Knicks; investigate Moscow practice facilities; read a few basketball annuals and a few overseas reviews of "Just Wright", then offer our final Final Note.

Star-divide

Every Sunday, we’ll be updating the Nets’ off-season with bits and pieces of information, gossip, etc. to help take the edge off missing the playoffs, relying on the Nets’ beat reporters and others who have slipped interesting stuff into larger stories, blogs, tweets...plus our own reporting.

How a 'Melo deal could go down

When Rod Thorn was negotiating with Rob Babcock of the Raptors about Vince Carter in December 2004, Thorn first offered Babcock a choice of 10 players on the Nets roster: anyone but Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, Nenad Krstic and Jason Collins, plus any two of the three picks the Nets received in the Kenyon Martin deal five months earlier. To make the salaries work, Alonzo Mourning had to be included.  So Babcock selected Mourning, foolishly thinking he could get 'Zo to mentor Chris Bosh; Aaron Williams and Eric Williams as well as the Nugget pick and the 76er pick from the KMart deal, leaving the Clipper pick to the Nets.

Babcock wanted to include Jerome Moiso in the deal so he wouldn’t have to cut two players in a 3-for-1 deal.  Thorn declined and Babcock cut Roger Mason Jr. before the deal, then Jerome Moiso after. That whole sequence took 48 hours. After the deal was complete, Nets signed Moiso who they cut after a few games. Mourning refused to report to Toronto, claiming injury and he was eventually bought out. Babcock wasn't fired for trading Carter. Ownership wanted VC gone. He was fired for getting such a bad return...thinking that Mourning would leave Miami for Toronto--then having to buy him out; getting two other older players with non-expiring deals. None of the three were young. At the time, Mourning was nearly 35 with kidney disease; Eric Williams who was 33 and Aaron Williams who was 34.  It would have been better if Babock had taken Zoran Planinic, who was only 22.  Finally, he had cut Mason, who turned out to be a pretty good player.

To make matters worse, neither of the first round picks proved particularly valuable. Babcock used the 76er pick to take Joey Graham in 2005 (leaving Danny Granger for the Pacers). Babcock's successor included the Nuggets' 2006 pick in the Jalen Rose salary dump with the Knicks.  It yielded Renaldo Balkman (taken just before Rajon Rondo).  With the remaining pick from the KMart deal, the Nets eventually picked Marcus Williams in 2006.

I suspect that’s how this deal would work, if it’s two-team negotiation: here’s the menu. you can take two from column A, two from column B. The Nuggets will then counter. It's highly unlikely that the Nets would able to get as good a deal as they did with Carter.  We can dream.

Prokhorov Money Watch

The Nets spent some of Mikhail's money this week on jobs that the front office had deemed critical in meetings with him last spring.  In addition to Milton Lee, stats guy, hired at the end of last week, the Nets named Robby Hoenshel as a rehab specialist.  No more outsourcing rehabilitation to people like Leslie Wright.  The team also added its seventh assistant coach, Doug Overton.  Overton, who had been one of Lawrence Frank and Kiki Vandeweghe's assistants, was named Player Development Coach, a role he had filled without the title the last two years.  The team may also have to add another scout, with Roy Rogers perhaps headed to Boston to coach big men. We says perhaps because ESPN Boston says the deal is not done...at least yet.

For the record, the coaching staff consists of head coach Avery Johnson, lead assistant Sam Mitchell and assistants Larry Krystkowiak, Popeye Jones, Tom Barrise, John Loyer and Rich Dalatri (strength and conditioning) plus Overton (player development).  At the end of last season, the Nets had Vandeweghe, Loyer, Rogers and Dalatri.  Barrise had taken refuge in the front office and Overton was on the road as an advance scout.

The Last Hiring

Overton is likely to work closely with the yet unnamed Director of Player Programs, whose responsibility will be to work with young players on off-court issues.  What might that new job look like? Gary Bogdanski was the Nets' equipment manager a few years back. The Nets informally asked him to keep Sean Williams on the straight and narrow.  On the simplest level, Bogdanski encouraged Williams to do the right thing.  That job was close to what the Nets would like to see formalized in a director of player programs.  It's not an easy job.

"Sean is a person with a very good heart and he's a good person, but he's made some mistakes," Bogdanski told Matt McQueeny back in March 2009. "No question. However, the important thing is...to learn from them and make sure they don't happen again. When I was there with the Nets, I was constantly telling Sean 'make the right decisions, be ready, be prepared just in case.' Always whispering in his ear 'do the right thing.'"

Bogdanski, of course, did more than that and whoever gets the new job will as well but that's the idea.  Bogdanski, FYI, is now a player agent.

Living in the City

Henry Abbott of ESPN's True Hoop offered another opportunity for the Nets to steal the Knicks' advantage once the team moves to Brooklyn.   Commenting on a report that Amare Stoudemire won't be living in the city, but rather the suburbs, Abbott wrote:

"I think the Knicks made a huge mistake putting their practice facility in the exclusive suburbs (Greenburgh in suburban Westchester). It's easier to be the city's team if the heroes are people of the city, you know? They're practically forced to live out by the Clintons and all those Wall Street titans. The Nets, on the other hand, once they're in Brooklyn, will be practicing, I have heard, in Brooklyn. If some of them live in Brooklyn, locals are going to love that and make the Knicks look aloof in contrast."

Indeed the Nets will be practicing in Brooklyn, in a gym that will be, along with some team offices, located within Barclays Center.  Moreover, the practice facility will be visible from Atlantic Avenue.  Like the arena floor, the practice gym floor will be 25' below street level.  Fans and other passersby will be able to view the goings-on from the sidewalk...and yes, the vantage point will be close by the ticket booths.  It works on a number of levels although one does wonder what happens if the team is in the playoffs and wants to try out some new sets. 

One other point about Abbott's commentary...the Knicks need help in looking aloof?

Harris as "Muscle Devil"

It's that time of a year when players announce they have put on "15 to 20 pounds of muscle".  Remember Yi Jianlian, Muscle Devil?

Usually, like Yi and Devin Harris, the muscle is seen as a way of improving needed strength and/or avoiding injury. There's a lot of talk on boards about how injury prone Harris is.  We ask compared to who?  If you compare him with the cohort of guards who sacrifice their body by constantly driving to the hole, Harris is no more injury prone than most of the big names.

Here's a list of how many games some players who drive the lane to get to the line have lost over the past five years.

Jameer Nelson -- 95 games lost or 19 a season...with a high of 40 in 2008-09.

Dwyane Wade -- 75 games lost or 15 a season...with a high of 31 in both 2006-07 and 2007-08.

Chris Paul -- 65 games lost or 13 a season...with a high of 37 in 2009-2010.

Devin Harris -- 64 games lost or almost 13 a season...with a high of 18 in both 2009-10 and 2007-08.

Tony Parker -- 46 games lost or a little more than 9 a season...with a high of 28 in 2009-2010.

Harris' injuries have indeed been nagging, but not catastrophic. He's never missed more than 18 games in a season.  All of the others have missed at least 28.  And we suspect if we dug deeper into the stats, we'd find his longest absence pales compared to the others. Yes, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo have survived, so far...but most of the daredevils listed above avoided injury early in their careers too.  And statistical analysis shows if you constantly go to the hole, as measured by free throw attempts, you're going to miss games...period.

There's also hope that Harris beyond the weight gain will repeat his career season.  Harris will once again be surrounded by players who can shoot.  Granted, there will be no Vince Carter clone (unless the Nets arrange to acquire Carmelo Anthony without giving up Harris). But when he averaged 21.3 points a game in 2008-09, he had four players who shot better than 37.5% of their three point attempts...Bobby Simmons, Keyon Dooling, Jarvis Hayes and Carter.  Only one Net, Dooling, shot that well from three last season....and the team dropped from 6th to 29th in deep shooting.  If the off-season acquisitions repeat last year's shooting percentages, the Nets will again have shooters that will unclog the lane for Harris' drives (and Brook Lopez moves).  Four of the new Nets--Anthony Morrow, Troy Murphy, Travis Outlaw and Jordan Farmar--all shot better than 37.6% from deep last season, and Damion James shot that well in the NCAA.

Let's not forget: Two years ago, Harris scored 47 in a head-to-head with Steve Nash; 42 in a head-to-head with Derrick Rose; 41 in a head-to-head with Jason Kidd; 39 in a head-to-head with Andre Miller; 38 in a head-to-head with Allen Iverson; and  34 in a head-to-head with Deron Williams…and they won every one of those games.

Mr. Marks and Mr. Anonymous Speak

The basketball annuals are starting to hit the stands, you know the glossy preseason magazines with the hefty price tags.  We'll be taking a longer look at what they're saying about the Nets, but don't be surprised that you're not surprised.  It's pretty much what you read all summer.  Athlon, the glossiest, has a nice profile of Mikhail Prokhorov, but there's nothing you haven't read in the seminal work on the subject, "The Most Interesting Man in the World"  (Shameless Plug).

A couple of things in the Sporting News annual did strike us.  Bobby Marks is the primary source for the Nets'  preview. Marks didn't get a lot (any?) face time under Rod Thorn, but now he can speak more freely. He admits, for example, that the Nets may have had to overpay for talent this summer after coming off such a difficult season.

Here's his thumbnails on some of the Nets' off-season acquisitions:

On the team: "Last year, we had a lot of older guys.  There was a big discrepancy when you got past Devin, Brook, Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams.  When you look at our team now, from 1 through 12, anybody can contribute for you."

On Terrence Williams: "He can play three different positions, the one, two or three. He gave us glimpses of good things towards the end of last season and he has the size and can defend multiple positions."

On Travis Outlaw: "He can make open shots. You think of him being young, but this is his eighth year in the league."

On Derrick Favors: "He has a tremendous upside, is 245 pounds and can probably add another 15 pounds of muscle. For a kid coming into the league, he's as good as it gets and we saw glimpses of him possibly being really good in the summer league...but there will be a learning curve."

On Jordan Farmar: "I see him playing significant minutes and I think he could start for a lot of teams."

Marks isn't the only one quoted in the Sporting News annual.  So is an anonymous "opponent", not further described.  He's less positive of the off-season acquisitions.

"I was a little confused by some of their signings. I don't dislike any of those players, but it was the length of the contracts and the money.  Travis Outlaw is a good player, but he isn't a starting small forward in the NBA. (Johan) Petro got $10 million for three years? Jordan Farmar is a good addition. He's a back-up and maybe now that he's out of the triangle, he might benefit.  I was perplexed with (Anthony) Morrow. He's a capable player because he can really shoot, but $12 million for three years... (Derrick) Favors is very raw and has a ways to go, and I don't know if he will ever be a really good offensive player.  He is athletic and long and I think it was a good pick, but we don't know how good any 19-year-old is going to be..."

"Just Wright" Out on DVD, on Demand, Overseas

If you missed "Just Wright" at the movies, it will be available for home use in the next few days both on DVD and on Demand. The movie is going global as well.  Problem is the reviews haven't gotten that much better.  The Irish Times, among others, was unimpressed.  Here's an excerpt of its review: "nobody here is going to pay good money to see a romcom concerning the discontents of the New Jersey Nets. (It’s a basketball team, apparently.)"  Sounds like Mikhail Prokhorov and his globalization team have their work cut out for them.

Moscow Nights

The Nets have yet to release details on their trip to Moscow, including where the open practice will be held.  One possibility: the CSKA Moscow practice facility off Leningradskiy Prospect and within "walking distance of the Dinamo Metro Station", if you're making plans. Avery Johnson checked it out in early August as part of his family's trip to Russia.  It's a small facility but with good amenities. Mikhail Prokhorov owned the team, after all. Another possibility, depending on ambitions, is the 13,000-seat MegaSport Arena next door.

Here's a Russian TV ("TV Rain") report on Johnson's visit.  He ran a practice for CSKA Moscow front office types, some players and the media at the facility. Video of the facility starts two minutes in.

 

Some Housekeeping

With Al Iannazzone and Stefan Bondy setting up Twitter pages, we've decided to link to them under our Social Networking category.  We've also linked to the Twitter pages of reporters Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! and Chad Ford of ESPN.  Why them?  Because virtually all of the Nets' off-season moves, free agent signings and off-season trades were first reported by those three reporters, mostly via Twitter.

Final Note

There was no shortage of news this off-season, not with Mikhail Prokhorov getting approved as owner,"Just Wright premiere; the the unsuccessful Draft Lottery, the successful Draft, the hiring of Avery Johnson, Billy King and Bobby Marks; the departures of Rod Thorn and Kiki Vandeweghe; "The Decision"'; Summer League success; Plan 'B" free agent signings; front office upgrades; and moves to acquire Troy Murphy, Joe Smith and Stephen Graham late in the summer...just when you thought off-season was over. Not to mention the round-the-world preseason tour. Did we forget something?  Oh yeah, 'Melo...and the yet to be announced Big Surprise promised by Prokhorov. 

As for predictions, we're going to wait until we see the team in preseason before playing prognosticator.  It's been a long, strange trip...and fun, too.

It's all yours, Avery.

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Thanks for all of the Off-Season Reports…….

by NetFan48 on Sep 18, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Nice wrap-up as always

and wise not to make any forecasts until we get some idea of what this group of players—not really a team yet—actually can do.

by jsg on Sep 18, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

14 days!

Till we finally see our Nets in action!

by Belarus4life on Sep 18, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Net Income

Any word on Training Camp invites maybe Rashad McCants or Adam Morrison? Or when will you be able to get this info?

by JJ25 on Sep 18, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

not me

told one or two…no names.

The way things have gone this off-season, the remaining “name” players want at least some money guaranteed. I dont know how much Graham got, but I suspect it’s on the order or $250,000. If that is so, then the Nets have already committed to more than $400,000, to Graham, May, Zoubek and Uzoh. Interesting to see how much else, if any, they will commit.

by Net Income on Sep 18, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why hasn't Larry Hughes signed with anyone

he is a solid backup, does take bad shots at times but Larry Brown controlled him and shot like 50% in the playoffs. I would take Larry Hughes former Defensive all nba and all star.

by JJ25 on Sep 18, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's 32

and despite what you note, the Bobcats don’t want him back.

In the last three years, he’s missed 14, 27 and 37 games, mostly from injuries.

by Net Income on Sep 18, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't wait for the season

Great job with all of the off-season updates and other news. Regardless of any other roster changes that could be made in the near future, I can’t remember when I have been more excited for a Nets season to start.

by calvinbw on Sep 18, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought the Big Surprise was the London games

Could it be something else?

I love that the Nets represent the common, working man while the Knicks represent the Wall Street elite. Their practice facilities symbolize this. Beautiful. We are the team for the everyman; the Knicks are the team for guys in suits.

Anyway, thank you, Net Income, for 23 installments. Now, “let’s get ready to rumblllllllle.”

Nets = Global
Knicks = Local

by BigTom on Sep 18, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

the big surprise already happened

hello johan petro, jordan farmar, and stephen graham

by GALLO! on Sep 18, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

someone from posting

and toasting posted this and i could not agree more…..

it’s like they are trying to conjure a rivalry out of thin air and shove it in our faces. I dont give a damn about the Nets, and ive never seen such a confident group coming off a 12 win season.

by GALLO! on Sep 18, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Smart people can see two things

1. Most members of the 12-win team are gone.
2. They had no coach.

by Jarkid Shen on Sep 18, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

most are gone

welcome petro, outlaw, favors, murphy, and farmar!

lmao.

by GALLO! on Sep 18, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Farmar has two rings

Favors can dunk in your face all day long.

Murphy can shoot you like you are on fire.

by Jarkid Shen on Sep 18, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're all good player

Except maybe Petro, he’s still better than Boone!

by shea23 on Sep 19, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, GALLO, please explain why

your team is now putting player names in braille on the back of player jerseys.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/545774/scaled_php.jpg

Nets = Global
Knicks = Local

by BigTom on Sep 18, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i never seen such a confident group (knicks) coming off a decade of losing seasons

by nets14 on Sep 18, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They look confident?

I don’t think so.

Section 18, Row 7 at The Rock!

by eLonepb on Sep 19, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont give a damn about the Nets

that’s why you spend sop many time here and especifically created an account to post on a Nets site, right?

by Andres B on Sep 19, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watching Just Wright

Tim Walsh is the best actor in the movie…including Common and Queen Latifah.

by Net Income on Sep 18, 2010 8:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Thorn wasnt bad either!!!! You notice they cut Franks parts out? I payed money to see that garbage but Paula Patton was smoking hot!!!

by power_njerz on Sep 18, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was reallllly bad

there was a half second shot of Frank, three two second shots of Jimmy Sann with Queen Latifah, a couple of seconds of Rajon Rondo at the Common birthday party, and a few seconds of former Seton Hall guard Andre Barrett on the Nets bench.

by Net Income on Sep 18, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Elton Brand representing the sixers when latifah went to philly for the job offer……..talk about not having a franchise player.

by power_njerz on Sep 19, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reality TV show Lala’s Full Court Wedding premieres this Sunday, Sept. 19 on VH1.

by ispartan on Sep 18, 2010 10:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

hey gallo, ur team has been destroyed worse than any franchise ever in the past ten years, they were a great franchise, then fell into mediocrity, they are a JOKE, u think amare stoudimire is your savior, he hasnt even proven he can play away from steve nash, the nets may not be that good, but neither will the knicks, they had a much more dissapointing offseason than the nets

by nets14 on Sep 18, 2010 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

to Net Income for producing high quality reports that were rather informative / entertaining. Certainly was nice getting a weekly report, but I am most definitely excited we are rapidly approaching the real season. I have a feeling it will be a fun one.

by corky_romano4life on Sep 19, 2010 2:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Can't Wait For Off Season To End!

I am looking forward to camp and pre-season, considering the deal that Petro got, I am hoping that Billy King calls me to play some backup 5, and pays me half of what Petro got. I’ve got the bulk, just not the height!!!!!!!!! Seriously….I am ready for some real news, as opposed to what we have all been manufacturing lately. I just hope that we don’t get the baloney about the best player in camp again. That always spells doom for the player singled out. Jordan Farmar and I and Omri Caspi and Amare’ all prayed to be forgiven for our sins all day yesterday. I hope Jordan got a clean slate to start over. My sins are way to vast for anything but “destination Hell”, I guess that means enduring our Nets 2009 season again and again and again, sort of like the Groundhog’s Day Movie. Shanna Tova to all and GO NETS!

Paul from Delray Beach

by PaulErstein on Sep 19, 2010 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

For the record I'm irish

Leave in Ireland and definitely know who the nets ate, thank you very much Irish Times.

by shea23 on Sep 19, 2010 7:51 AM EDT reply actions  

25% irish from queens

Leave in Ireland and definitely know who the nets ate – words to live by. better as a typo.

by PigDaddy3 on Sep 19, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

Ate was an easy one, but how did I type leave instead of living. LMAO

by shea23 on Sep 19, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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