Brook Lopez: Future Franchise Player?
by mayk on Aug 7, 2010 5:48 PM EDT
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I was just thinking about it because i felt like Brook is the only player in our current roster who seem to be untouchable.
Do you guys think that nets should make him as our own version of Tim Duncan?
If you guys agree, what else do we need to turn this team like the SPURS?
LOPEZ(DUNCAN), HARRIS(PARKER), LEE(BOWEN)
except we need a clutch players like GINOBLI. ( I don't see any player in our current roster as near as good as this guy)
And for those of you who disagree, who should be our franchise player? Should this team wait for couple of more years to sign an ALLSTAR player?
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He is the franchise player of this team
The only unmovable player.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
If you could move him for a real franchise player, do it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Like who? Chris Paul no thanks. Melo no thanks. Its rare to get a center with the type of skill and potential Brook Lopez has. I can gurantee you, with Paul coming off surgery and Melo being Melo, Brook Lopez will be a better playr and go down as one of the best centers to ever live. Thats right, in a class with the KG’s, Duncans, and Chamberlains.
That hyperbole is what get Brook supporters into trouble
Brook’s good, but it’s dumb to call him a hall of famer. He can be a multiple time allstar, but it takes something else to be one of the best. Right now, he’s probably only the 3rd best center in the East, trailing Dwight and Bogut.
Yeah
I agree with this
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 8, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Bogut is twice the defender Brook is
He’s around the top of the league in blocks AND charges drawn (unheard of), and his blocks are the most high value blocks in the league aka they mostly come off of layups and dunks as opposed to a guy like Brendan Haywood who has the lowest value blocks in the league where his blocks come on jump shots more often.
He’s also a better rebounder
ya. Bogut is clearly the better player at this point. But i think brook can surpass him. When bogut started out his defense wasnt so hot, but i believe a defensive minded coach, scott skiles, helped him fix that. Hopefully avery johnson can do the same with brook.
by Sparklespice on Aug 8, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
at same stage of development, Brook projects to be better
it is unfair to compare them any other way. Otherwise we should compare Favors to the other PFs in the league & get rid of him now.
Doesn't matter what stage of development they're in
We’re talking right now, not who was better in their 2nd year in the league. Bogut is better than Brook at this very moment.
Yes Bogut is a guy lopez has to climb over
but don’t forget the contrasts in systems between Bogut and Lopez. Brook had the unfortunate task of being the only line of defense for “swiss cheese D 101”. Takes it’s toll.
idk about lee being our bowen.
bowen was all about defense. lee isn’t all that committed into defense like that now that he is on the nets. he is trying 2 prove people he can score.
You made a good point, I guess we are missing a clutch player.
by mayk on Aug 7, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Because we NEEDED him to score, we were one of the lowest scoring teams in the NBA
Compare that to his time in Orlando where he didn’t have to do anything on offense except roam the three point line
I think
Twill can turn into our Ginobil. Even though twill will probably never be as good an Manu, he can have that same kind of effect on our team that manu had on the spurs
Sad to say no.
No Brook is not a franchise player. Future all star, yes. Great center yes. But he has quite a few holes in his game. 3rd best center in the east is quite good considering that the west really only has yao ming, chris kaman, nene (all i can really remember), and tim duncan if count him as was. and i think brook is better than both kaman and nene,.
Everyone thinks he is Tim Duncan....
I don’t think he is a “franchise player,” but I feel like your looking at it in tunnel vision.
I don’t think he is the franchise, that doesn’t mean we should trade him either. We need to build a team the best we can period, not just the best we can around someone who just happens to be the best player we have. Every team has a “best player,” the best player in their franchise…
Brook is nowhere near Duncan, not even close, and he never will be. Duncan is the best PF in the history of the NBA. We are not the Spurs, why should we try to be like them? We need to build based on what we have, build that to be the best they can be, not something else that they aren’t.
Well 50 wins for 11 straight years is certainly an impetus to copy what they've done
We already see how many spurs employees or former spurs are hired year after year. The new hornets gm came from the spurs, mike brown, sam presti, avery, etc
but we should be copying them in terms of their defensive philosophy and their emphasis on high character guys instead of individual players
by muwu on Aug 8, 2010 12:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but there are quite a few teams that are similar throughout history. I find it odd that we land directly on them. I mean, why not copy the 07 Celtics? Pistons? Bulls?
The Spurs are a very unique team as far as offensively speaking, a team that is not a cookie cutter team, but a team that works because of the players they were lucky enough to land. A Shoot first almost no assists, no D point guard, the best PF ever, and Ginobli, who really is one of a kind, and everyone seems to think, “oh yeah we have the next Duncan, we are the Spurs!”
to be honest i think you are kinda imagining the duncan comparisons. There were a good amount a while ago. But i haven’t really seen a whole lot recently, cause most brook fans recognize he is not duncan. Even the OP wasnt really comparing the talent levels. “and everyone seems to think, "oh yeah we have the next Duncan, we are the Spurs!"” is a huge hyperbole.
by Sparklespice on Aug 8, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think in this thread its pretty clear, there is a strong Lopez to Duncan connection/comparison being had.
This whole garbage about how Brook is the 3rd, 2nd, or whatever have you center in the East or League is bogus. It means nothing. Yes he may be better then some of the centers that don’t have the big names, but if a no name like Roy Hibbert can play lock down D every time he faces Brook, what does that mean? I am not going to say that Brook is not as good as Hibbert, but I mean, we are talking about centers here. Its soooo rare for a center to be your teams go to, best player, franchise type. The few times it does happen, those players are known world wide by everyone, including non basketball fans. The NBA is not a centers league, so just because Brook may be the “3rd best” doesn’t mean squat. If he were the 1st or 2nd best in the entire league, then maybe we can talk about building specifically around him, strategy wise. We aren’t even close to that.
He's not Tim Duncan
He’s Brook Lopez, and it’s a dumb comparison, and everytime I have to disagree I feel like i’m putting down Brook’s game, but the fact of the matter is that TD is a all time great. It’s more of a complement to him.
right now, I think Bogut is the superior player. He has a igher BB IQ and is a much better defender, and he’s game is more established, which is no surprise since he’s been in the league for more years than Brook. If you take into account age, contract and injuries, then yes, I’d take Lopez, but right now I think Bogut is ahead of Brook- let’s hope for not too long, that would mean Brook has made great strides this year. He already is one of the best Cs in the game, which isn’t easy for a 2nd year player.
Keep the star C, wings are replaceable
Finding a star quality starting C is very difficult in the NBA where as finding dynamic wings is much easier. Al Harrington can put up 20 PPG a night if he feels like it, but it took forever for him to find a team. Lopez, on the other hand, is one of the few true Cs in the NBA who is surprisingly athletic, has a great shooting touch and is a ferocious competitor. Lopez in no way should be moved.
Well who would you say is more valuable, to find an answer to this debate
Shaq in his prime: 29.7 ppg 13.6 rpg 3.8 apg 3 bpg
or
kobe in his prime: 35.4 ppg 5.3 rpg 4.5 apg 1.8 spg
by muwu on Aug 8, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That’s exactly my point. Shaq is the last great Center, and he hasn’t won in quite some time… and the last time he did, he had the best wing in the game in my opinion, Wade. We don’t have a center like that, that’s the problem. I dont even think the Magic have a center like that. If they did, they would have won by now, seeing as how the argument against me will probably be, the Center would be the one you chose because there are so few good centers out there, so domination would be assumed.
I think the more accurate comparison would be someone like Brook Lopez, to Brandon Roy maybe. Maybe Iguodala… In which case, I would still take the wing. There is not much for a center to do compared to a wing, so you can use the wings in so many ways to help you win, with so many diff team combination. What we need to do is keep Brook, and find a decent wing, since we cant(aren’t lucky enough) have a star wing or center.
I would disagree, big men have a lot of things to do
It’s not like they just stand in the paint like zombies. They’re your last line of defense. The magic are a good defensive team because they have howard as a safety blanket.
Big men handle your rebounding, giving you second chance points and preventing the other team from gaining another possession or scoring again. Any team will find it very hard to win any game when they’re losing the rebounding battle.
Big men provide post offense, which is often much higher percentage shots than the jump shots perimeter guys take.
by muwu on Aug 8, 2010 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rebounding/second chance points are something anyone can do with playing time, I mean at that, Kevin Love would be the best big in the game.
Post offense yes, that is a good point, but I feel like unless you have the perfect team makeup, a low post scorer will slow the game down and turn you into a half court team… whereas a wing player can do either.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the guys in the league can't grab 10 rebs a game in 30 minutes
Rebounds are not something that fall into your lap. There’s positioning, there’s timing, there’s athletic ability, there’s basketball iq. Rebounding is a skill, not something anyone can just go out and do
and not every big man can defend the paint. How good are you going to be if the other team is layups galore against you?
by muwu on Aug 8, 2010 4:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well Brook doesn’t even go for rebounds….that’s one.
Two – Brook doesn’t box out, because he runs away. This is the key, not everyone can rebound, but some guys can box out like nobodies business, so far boxed out that a teammate can just come in and board. Brook has such long limbs, this is what I think he should be doing best. Great coaching staff coming in, lets see what we can get.
And lastly, I dont know, I think its more important to just have an athletic big that can defend and rebound. I would rather above average in those categories then someone who seems to be more of a jack of all trades, but not great in anything.
At the end of the day, no one can say that one position is more vital than the other
You can have the best perimeter guy in the league, but he’s not winning a title without another really good big man beside him. You can have the best big man in the league, but without perimeter guys you will be eliminated all the same
by muwu on Aug 8, 2010 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well Said
Thus, the original question was is Lopez a franchise player?
He’s a #2 on a title contender in my opinion. Jordan’s Pippen. Give Lopez a star PG/SG with good players around the two of them, the Nets would be very good.
Which is why I think adding Chris Paul, if possible would make the Nets that good. Look at what Kidd did to the careers of K-Mart, Kittles etc. I would give up a lot for him, starting with Harris and Terrence Williams and minimum 2 first rounders. That leaves the Nets with Paul/Lee/Outlaw/Favors/Lopez. That is a very dynamic team.
by ZR on Aug 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's All About Brook and Favors.
These are our two guys for the future. Brook is already the third or fourth best center in the east. Favors is “hopefully” the highest draft choice we are going to get, because we should never be as bad as last year again, ever. Three years from now, Favors could be a force. No more trades and roster tinkering, unless someone starter quality comes really cheap to start for a few years at the 4. I like our guards, I like Outlaw, James and TWILL. Our biggest question is what are we going to get from Favors this year. But yes, Brook is our guy. He could be an all star this year, if we win a few games and he puts up what he put up last year.
Paul from Delray Beach
Us getting an allstar will be about our record
We’re not getting voted in, so it’ll be about the coach. They didn’t give an allstar spot to anyone not on a winning team this last year.
And Brook will be facing stiff competition, with the addition of Amare to the East and the emergence of Bogut. Dwight is a lock to be voted in, and most likely the coaches will add in just 1 more center. It’s like Deron Williams. He’s been allstar caliber before, but this was the first year he actually made it because the west is so crowded at the guard spots
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