Please Trade for Brandon Bass
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 1:07 AM EDT
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There were assurances that Bass would receive more playing time, but those indeed are not really guaranteed. Just two days ago Van Gundy was saying how Bass's playing time depends on him, apparently to a large degree how much he fits into their team defense scheme. The Magic are stacked at PF:
"I don’t know," Van Gundy said. "It’s as simple as that. It will depend on Brandon, number one, if he’s able to improve in some of the areas that we think he has to improve in. Then he’s got a chance of playing more. There are other factors in terms of how lineups work and things like that that may be out of his control. But the biggest thing will be if he plays better in some areas. That’s to be seen.
"Same thing with Ryan [Anderson]. I think that our hope is and our expectation is that they’re both fairly young guys. Particularly on the defensive end, I think our expectations in terms of what they have to know are fairly high and that a second year will help them. Our expectation is that they both will be able to play better on that end of the floor. I hope we’ll see improvement. But I don’t know. We have very good players at the position. We’ll have to see how it all unfolds." here.
As the article suggests, Bass's lack of 3-pt range makes him a less than perfect fit in the Magic scheme. His pluses simply can be gotten elsewhere, including from Ryan Anderson.
His PER has always been in the middle of the league (Milsap type), he knows how to handle riding the bench if Favors unexpectedly blossoms, he's active, a rebounder, runs the floor well, a good one-on-one defender (+4.7 PER last year), and still young.Bass’ playing time diminished last season once starting power forward Rashard Lewis returned from his 10-game league suspension to start the year.
Bass did not transition smoothly to Orlando’s defensive scheme. Though he’s a capable one-on-one defender, Bass at times faltered in his team defense.
In addition, while he has an accurate and feathery midrange jumper, he is not a 3-point shooter. His lack of a long-range shot makes him a less ideal fit for the Magic’s four-out, one-in offense than Lewis or Anderson.
It seems quite likely a mistake to go into the season without someone who can productively eat 25-30 minutes a game if needed, just to give Favors the real cushion to develop. He'll be turning 27 in September and makes 4 mill each of the next two years guaranteed, and a player option for the same in the third year. A perfect length and salary commitment (exactly the same as Morrow) given Favors' age.
It doesn't mean that there can't be other trade, or even other trades for Power Forwards. It just means that you take care of one great need, cheaply, just in case the other options aren't there later on.
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Over my dead body.
Brandon bASS makes Kris Humphries’ shot selection look good. Plus BB is a straight up black hole he monopolizes the ball and kills the flow of your offense…
The difference between Hump’s shot selection and Bass’s is that 43% of Hump’s shots go in, and 50% of Bass’s go in.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions
More comparison of Humphries and Bass on Offense:
Hump:
per 36 minutes: 12 shot attempts
58% of his shots are jump shots: eFG% = 36%
27% of his shots are “close”: eFG% =42%
Bass:
per 36 minutes: 12.9 shot attempts
62% of his shots are jump shots: eFG% = 43%
21% of his shots are “close”: eFG% = 56%
From last year the same rate of shot attempts, but Bass shoots BETTER than Hump from the jump shot range than Hump does at “close” range. And at close range it isn’t even a comparison, which Bass nearing the golden 60%. If Bass is taking worse shots than Hump, he is making them at a much higher clip.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Please Trade for Brandon Bass
Pigdaddy3 endorses this trade.
screw Bass. we already got this May guy. But i wouldve liked for a trade that wouldve gotten us a defensive minded pf ala M. Camby
Bass has never averaged more than 19 mpg a season. There’s a reason why he hasn’t. I’m not so sure he can play 25-30 minutes a night. He’s not starter, that’s for sure. And NO, he doest NOT know how to handle riding the bench. He told the Magic to play him or trade him.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that
Some guys are not meant to be playing big minutes, some guys are better playing only 15-20 minutes a game than they would be playing 30. Like Eddie House, if you’re playing him 30 minutes a game, you’re gonna be screwed, but he’s pretty darn good playing 15 a night
hey, I agree with you
I’m just saying he’s not a guy you should bring in as a starter and give him 30 minutes a night. He’s not that type of player. He’s a banger. An energy big who gets 15-20 minutes a night, but that’s it.
Well if we bring in another PF, that's 3 at that spot that needs minutes already, so none of them would really get a lion's share of minutes
Unless we play Favors at C and cut out Petro
Hopefully Favors is getting 10 minutes or less to start the season. He is a baby.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
He need to start
Favor should start because he will develop faster surrounded by starters who also have some familiarity with each other. Coming off the bench with the second team will slow his development.
I think +/-25 minutes a game assuming he is going to gets into foul trouble early and likely more often then Avery would like.
As for Bass….he is better than Hump but not enough of an upgrade to trade unless Hump goes the other way in my opinion. And as far as opinions go I would trust Avery to know what Bass can and can not do having saved him from the scrap heap and made him a $16,000,000 man in Dallas and then watching him regress in Orlando from the ESPN booth.
by Jay-dub on Aug 7, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
is Fave old enough for a driver's license?
Big mistake starting him on day 1 – big problem if he doesnt start some games by end of season
He’s not that type of player. He’s a banger. An energy big who gets 15-20 minutes a night, but that’s it.
On a team that starts Dirk Nowitski, yes, or on a team that has an array of 3pt shooting PFs, yes. But on a team in desperate need of solid PF play, and his Hump as THE MAN in the PF post, not a chance. He could easily fill in at 30 a night. In fact, the truth of it is, given the teams he has been on, nobody knows what he would do in that minute range. The point is at his price and skill level, and given the weakness of the Nets at PF, you really can’t do better.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
given the teams he has been on, nobody knows what he would do in that minute range
Fair enough. But that’s one of the reasons why I wouldn’t lose any sleep about trading for him. You don’t really know if he’s gonna be able to give you 30 minutes at a true starter level.
He has been behind Dirk and a bunch of 3 pt shooters in Orlando. He has been forced to play out of position in Dallas, and STILL outplayed his opposition at each position. He is a WAY better offensive player than Hump, does not clog the middle. And there is NO reason why he could not play 30 minutes a night. None. Even his fouls per 36 are manageable.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t really know if he’s gonna be able to give you 30 minutes at a true starter level.
He is a 4 mill a year guy. He has starter level talent, but you are not really paying for a starter level salary.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not "whatever reason"
There are specific reasons.
1).He was behind a league MVP candidate.
2). He was not a 3pt shooter, as the Magic require.
These are very plain and obvious reasons.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions
whatever
he’s been in the league for five years and he has never got 20mpg a season. The fact that he was behind Nowitzki or that he can’t shoot the 3 doesn’t necessarily mean he has starter level.
Whatever? (Nice reasoning).
You state the reasons why, and then ignore them. You are not paying starter level money, and there is no way he was going to start in Dallas at PF (or in Orlando in that offense).
What is it you don’t get?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:44 AM EDT up reply actions
jeez
My point is that those are reasons why he hasn’t started on any team he’s been, BUT that doesn’t NECESSARILY mean he’s a starter.
He’s a starter on THIS team, because Humphries is not Dirk No., and Favors is a young, young rook. Being a starter on THIS team is all that matters.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
You aren’t really familiar with his game. Apparently.
Starting Favors could be a huge mistake.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Whose game? Favors’? Or Bass’?
Favors is raw. I know that. But I’d rather let him start than bring a guy who is not even going to be a difference maker, and that in 5 years has started only 8 games and has never played 20mpg a season.
You seem unfamiliar with Bass’s game. You didn’t even understand why he was on the bench behind Ryan.
As for starting Favors, given his temperament and rawness, it would be stupid to risk him losing his confidence in a big media market. You have to protect your investments.
But since you don’t agree, its not worth arguing about. You think that Favors should be the starter and should play big minutes. You don’t see a need at PF. We are completely in opposition.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not against bringing in another PF
just not at the expense of anything significant, since Favors is our PF of the future, esp when we’re not talking about someone who can even show a record of starting.
As always, expert analysis.
What were you saying about how Bass couldn’t beat out Ryan, and couldn’t beat out Dirk?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions
As always, expert analysis.
You’re the expert, right? Again, Dirk or no Dirk, 3 pt shooting or no three point shooting, that doesnt NECESSARILY mean Bass is a starter. That’s your opinion.
I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean? Are “starters” a breed? Starters are players that play better than the rest of the other players on the same team for longer periods of time. You don’t prove yourself a “starter” out of the context of your team?
Plus, he doesn’t even have to start. Who cares if he starts. Maybe Humphries beats him out (doubt it, but who knows), and Bass plays 20 minutes behind Humphries. The way you go on and on about “starting” I don’t get it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Bass has never averaged more than 19 mpg a season. There’s a reason why he hasn’t. I’m not so sure he can play 25-30 minutes a night.
In Dallas do you realize WHO he played behind???
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
As the article makes clear, Ryan Anderson was coveted for his distance shooting, a requirement for the Magic offense. Anderson attempted 211 3pt shots last year, and made 37%.
Nuf said.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Bass is so strong
you need a quart of liniment after brandon defends you
Other things to note about Bass...
In 2008-09 crowded out by Dirk, he played the majority of time out of position, recording 28% of team minutes at CENTER (as opposed to only 11% of team minutes at PF). Be that as it may, he had a PER 17.2 for his minutes at PF, and a PER 18.9 at Center, and a +3.8 vs. opponents at PF, a +5.7 at Center.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
So trade for Brandon Bass.
Who will we give up then? Second Rounders??
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
Nobody will like who I would give up.
In any case, given that Favors is the most important Net in terms of development, protecting him at PF is a priority.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true.
You can always use a 40% FG, 14 shots a night back up, back up SG.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
keep cherry piciking
I already replied to this on another thread.
When he broke out, Williams averaged .429 from the field in March and .455 in April. He also averaged 12.7 FG attempts a night over that two month stretch.
And yeah, keep ignoring the assists and rebound numbers. They are insignificant and don’t matter, LOL.
Cherry picking. You pick out just the time frame you want. Why not just pick one game (as you often do).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
And you consider 44% a worthy shooting percentage? The best he could manage? Ha.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions
not bad
for a player who isn’t supposed to be a scoring force. Scoring is not his strength. His strengths are the aspects of the game you want to ignore.
Horrible shooting % considering that he also was much worse in the year
And takes a lot of shots.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions
he was much worse in the year
but, again, he’s not the same player that started the season. Players improve. TWill improved over the course of the year. And again, you keep ignoring his strength. You focus too much on offense, and completely ignore what he brings to the table with his rebounds and court vision.
Players also are streaky and have good months. This is well known. And even his best months had terrible shooting. Too bad he won’t have a chance to do more of that, since Avery has a plan.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions
and
you keep focusing on the shooting issue (btw, I wouldn’t consider .455 "terrible, give me a break) and keep ignoring his true strengths. Sigh.
Average the TWO months you keep talking about together.
And his strengths are not needed on a team with two point guards and shooting depth at the 2. You don’t need a bad shooting guy who rebounds well and passes well dominating the ball from the SG position. What you don’t seem to understand is that the fundamental structure of the team has changed since last year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Its called a new coach.
Two things are being emphasized:
1). Defense.
2). Shooting.
Williams does neither of these things very well. He is kind of like Bass. Very talented, but not fitting in the system’s requirements.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Williams plays defense. He was a lockdown defender in college. He needs to improve, but he has all the tools to become a great defender. Avery already pointed out to the defensive strides he thinks TWill made.
As for shooting, we don’t need him to shoot .400 from beyond the arc. We have other guys who can do that. We don’t have anyone at his position who can bring to the table what TWill does in terms of rebouding, creating for other or being able to play 3 different positions. Anyways, I have already pointed out to this and have gotten no answer for it: Lee shot .338 from 3pt territory last season. TWill .310. Stop pretending Lee is a sharpshooter and Williams canno shoot.
Doesn’t play better D than Lee. And doesn’t shoot better than Morrow (or Lee for that matter).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
re-Lee
he doesn’t plays that much better D nor shoots that much better to make up for the other aspects of the game TWill is a vastly superior player at.
- Williams can play 3 positions. Lee can play the 2 and NOTHING but the 2.
- Williams averaged more rebounds and assits than Lee despite the fact that he played over 10mpg less than Courtney last season.
His skills are not needed from the SG position. Its cool that he has them, but they are not needed, and he will not get the playing time to show them.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Just listening to the coach.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions
listening
what you want to and cherry picking his words. But when he praises TWill, then he doesn’t mean it. Intellectual dishinesty at its best.
The coach does not mention his name when listing the prominent players, what can I say?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
kv
would you rather give up CLee or TWill in a trade? To me, it’s a tough choice but I’d keep the younger, more versatile one. I suspect that TWill was being showcased for a trade in summer league; he played so many minutes that he got a lot of points. For a creator, he sure throws a lot of passes to the stands. BUT…he’s got unLIMited potential. gotta roll the dice and keep T-Will imo.
I would keep both....but
If forced to choose I keep CLEE. Neither will be a superstar so we are looking for the best complementary player on a championship team. CLEE fits the bill better – defensive minded, can hit the three, more mature.
@PigDaddy
I agree with your thinking, but it is a question of need and it is just the case that Lee’s strengths are those valued by Avery, on several levels, not the least of which is mental maturity which is a need for this team. TW is great, but he is a luxury. He is actually 4th on the SG rotation because it seems that Avery has told Farmar that he will be playing PG with Harris on the floor. That is three guys ahead of TW:
Lee
Morrow
Harris
When you don’t even have a starting PF and you can get a decent one for 4 mill, your 4th string SG has to go. But as I mentioned, I don’t think Orlando would take TW since the seem to value shooting just as much as Avery.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He shoots better from 3 than Twill shoots from anywhere on the court. 3s are central to opening up space in the post.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Which is why we have PGs.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
one of them
is a SCORING PG who needs a playmaking wing as anyone who watches games could notice, the other one being a guy who has shown little in his 4 years in the league, and evenif he was able to displays that supposed ability here, we’d need more, we can’t go into the season with Farmar as our only playmaker- and that’s assuming he’ll be able to develop that here.
However are the Nets going to do anything on the court without Twill? The guy is an MVP (of a 12 win team).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
also
Bass has been in this league for FIVE years. TWill was a rookie last season.
by Andres B on Aug 7, 2010 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When TWiill is locked behind an MVP candidate, let me know.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he was locked behind 3 pt shooters, a skill that was required by the offense.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Just as Twill will be locked behind better defenders and better shooters.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions
it's funny
how you keep making excuses for guys like Bass. Grass is always greener on the other side.
Its not an excuse. He was behind a guy who won the MVP of the league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions
To be good enough to start you just have to be better than the other guys at your position.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions
of course we need his strengths
Harris is a SCORING PG, who needs to play alongside a playmaking wing to help him doing the facilitating job. He was an AS w/ VC alongside him doing that job, and he played better once TWill broke out last year. Even if he was coming off the bench, he was getting 30 mpg, most of them with Harris alongside him, and that was not a problem. Williams is NOT a ball dominating guard.
I know Farmar was considered a passing 1st PG and that he wasn’t able to show his strength in LA bc of the Triangle, but that’s not enough, even if you assume he will be able to develop his passing game here. You need guys who can create for others. No one we have on the wings, NO ONE, can give us what TWill does.
by Andres B on Aug 7, 2010 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder why he is the 3rd string SG then?
How ever did Harris get along in this league without a bad shooting SG passing him the ball?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
He is not on the tip of the coaches tongue when it comes to SGs, that’s for sure.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I got it, which was why I said what I said.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It's funny, kv
you give guys like Farmar and Bass, who have been for 4 and five years in the league, the benefit of the doubt and actually believe they are better than what they’ve shown and you throw a ROOKIE like TWill under the bus and refuse to cut the kid some slack. You say some of us overvalue our own players. I say you have “the grass is always greener on the other side” syndrome.
you give guys like Farmar and Bass, who have been for 4 and five years in the league, the benefit of the doubt
Because when you pay attention to the league you understand that sometimes the second best players at a position on an elite team are MUCH better than the better players on a horrible team. When searching for talent you don’t look for a player who dominates in a losing situation, you look for players that are not getting playing time for reasons that are beyond their control. The system that Farmar played in is a very good example. And playing behind an MVP candidate is another.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No, he played behind 3 pt shooters who are required by the offense. You don’t seem to understand that teams run systems, and there are parts to be played. It is probably why you love Twill so much.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
They didn’t know how good Ryan Anderson was going to be. He flat out surprised them.
But why are you asking, you don’t really care what the answer to that question is.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Andres B
Otis Smith signed a guy that didn’t fit for his system I watched all the orlando magic games last season he just didn’t fit he only got playing time when someone was hurt and early in the season when Lewis was out for his 10 ame suspension the magic played with the same ten players every game and were very organized with their lineup. None of this nonseasnse of trying to fit 12 guys in your rotation no one plays with a 12 man roatation if we keep T-Will and C-lee who were going to have to play with a 12 man roattion which doesn’t make sense im not saying T-Will is going to get traded im saying one of the two is going to get traded.
Why did Avery not rod thorn sign two guys that play the same positions as T-Will there is oboiusly something wrong there that you haven’t considerd.
did you read Prokhorov's words?
He calls the guys we acquired “not bad” players who are “tradeable assets”. Stop trying to read too much into those signings.
Ah so
they signed 4 guys 2 of them overpaid but the Nets lacked everything last year that every player they signed has shotting/scoring ,extra passer and rebounding and now they are tradeable assets Proky knows nothing about these signings unless its coming from the coach not intereseted. Proky has only been in the league for what 3 months he has more important things to do than to know what these players bring to the table.
those guys have been 4 and five years in the league
they are what they are. They may improve under a system that benefits them, but that’s it.
They are what they are only if you don’t know much about basketball.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Go TWill, you are the MVP!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Its pathetic to ignore the circumstances under which Farmar and Bass have played.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
it's pathetic to say that someone doesn't know much about bball bc they disagree with you
And I would guess it goes against this site’s rules. So does stating your opninions as facts, which is something you love to do. This is the last time I’ll reply to you. I’m done with you intellectual dishonesty. I don’t want to keep banging my head against the wall.
When you disregard the facts of a player’s career and replace them with “they have never proved they are a starter” this is just plain head in sand talk. What can I say. You were ignorant about Bass’s career, but you still want to discuss it and proclaim conclusions about it. What kind of conversation is that?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
different opninions
I don’t ignore that Nowitzki was ahead of him in Dallas or that he didn’t possess the 3 pt shooting Anderson does. I’m just saying that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s that good.
To find out if he is “good” you look at his stats. His PER, his Per 36, reviews of his plays, etc., etc. I have supplied plenty of evidence that he is “good”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It is not very polite to call someone “pathetic”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why I obther replying to you, but, now you're trying the victim game?
I didn’t call you pathetic. I was referring to your PATHETIC coment in which you said that people who disgree with your view of Bass and Farmar don’t know much about bball.:
Not at all. It was written in caps, and directed at me personally.
Paraphrased: Is this all you got, pathetic!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
jeez
hahahah, now you want to play the victim game. You cannot be that intellectaully dishonest, can you? Where did you get that come from? How do you put those two lines in a same sentence to make it seem as if I insluted you? It was written in TWO SEPARATE lines. I said it’s pathetic that that’s all you got, a pathetic comment which you tried to use to belittle the opinion of those who disagree with you.
I was not the one who used the word.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Andres B, you can rest easy, the Nets will not Trade Twill for Bass.
The reason is that the Magic would not take him. They value outside shooting, just like Avery does, and his special “skills” wouldn’t fit any more in their offense than they would in the Nets’ offense. As sad as it is, I have to admit this.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
yeah, the Magic wouldn’t trade a guy they don’t want for a rookie who was selected with a lottery pick last year and who showed great primse.
A rookie who can’t shoot. Their offense is organized around shooters.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
People who think
the Nets are going to give up $4 million in cap space for Brandon Bass don’t understand the Nets’ strategy: keep as much cap space available for a STAR who might become available at or near the deadline. The Nets want to maintain the $14 to $15 million in cap space they now have until the deadline, then have $18 million next summer. They are not giving up on that plan for middle-level talent like Bass, who is not that much (if at all) better than Humphries.
If you want further proof of their thinking, look at yesterday’s signing of Sean May. That’s what you can expect. Engaging in this debate is silly.
Obviously they would TRADE for him, which would mean that they would be giving up salary as well. If ever they would be lucky enough to trade Williams, they would be giving up 2 mill in cap space, making him the cheapest player on the team outside of Lee and stragglers.
Further, not protecting Favors is a bigger risk than some deadline pursuit for players no body knows who they are, and all will be OVERPAID (which is why they would be available).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions
at Net Income
They are not giving up on that plan for middle-level talent like Bass, who is not that much (if at all) better than Humphries.
This.
Net Income
Tell me WHO this STAR is?
Are you telling me that Mello is the game? He is not coming to the Nets. Who ELSE is this master “star” that is part of this secret plan that people have to “understand”?
The only players that will be available at the trade deadline are players that teams don’t want to keep on the books into a possible lock out. In otherwords, players that are over paid in the context of a new CBA. So looking into your crystal ball, who are these players? "Throw out a few names?
Chris Paul?
Yao Ming?
Which guy do you (and the Nets) have in mind?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions
They are not giving up on that plan for middle-level talent like Bass, who is not that much (if at all) better than Humphries.
As I have pointed out at the top of the comment list, Bass is MUCH better than Humphries in several aspects.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Net Income
Thats why you trade Hump and Lee and give up no cap.
by JJ25 on Aug 7, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
weren’t the Nets ready to offer big money to Scola and Tyrus Thomas. i wouldn’t call those dudes stars. 4 million for Brandon Bass seems like a bargain because given the minutes he has the potential to put up Carl Landry or Pau Milsap numbers
Good points.
I’m not sure where Net Income is getting this secret plan to go after a trade deadline star that supposedly he has a special understanding of. At the very least he should divulge some of these top secret names that might be available. All the salaries are out there, he should be able to tell us who they are.
Bass historically has had a better PER than Scola (who I like a lot), and costs a fraction of the salary. Why would Scola’s salary be okay, and Bass’s not?
I suspect the problem is that Orlando will not take TW, the more I think of it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you ever consider...
That the nets might have tried to get Bass, but Orlando balked (Bass was mentioned in rumors before). The Magic have a rough road ahead of them in the southeast division next season for obvious reasons. They might be holding on to him for just in case scenario or trade scenario down the road.
Agree.
I honestly don’t think Orlando would take Twill since the guy cannot shoot, and they (like many teams) don’t need a poor shooting playmaking SG). I wish they would take him back, but unless the Nets get a 3rd team I’m not sure they can trade anyone off their roster to the Magic.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you two get a room?
Promoting a grenade-free America.
Wow Andres B and KV
you guys work nighs or what? You might as well of just picked up the phone and called each other…lol
I love the idea of Bass. he’s an upgrade over Humph. I really just want a team overhaul. It’s funny reading a lot of posts here because you would think with the loyalty to so many of the players we have that we weren’t 12-70 last year. Clee, Twill, Humph some for Boone and i’ve even seen some Hassel love. If we start Humph, Brook, Devin and Clee, that’s 4/5’s of a team that won 12 games.
Bass would be a perfect fit because he’s a true banger. We don’t really have a true banger on the team.
It’s funny reading a lot of posts here because you would think with the loyalty to so many of the players we have that we weren’t 12-70 last year.
It’s not loyalty. It’s not overracting and thinking things in depth before burying anyone. And anyways, once Williams broke out last season, the team became much more competitive. There is evidence for this. We won half our games in the last two months. We had won 6 games during the previous FOUR months. And we won the same amount of games in half that time once TWill broke out. We won 5 of our final 12 games, with TWill averaging 15 pts, 7 rebs and 6 ass. We had won just 7 of our previous 70 games.
Look at Josh Smith and the 2003-05 Hawks. They won just 13 games. Josh Smith broke out at the end of the season, with his game going up as the season went on. Do you think they should have traded him or undervalued him just because he put up good numbers at the end of such a horrible season (he only averaged double digit scoing numbers during the final two months of the year)? Young teams and players improve. And we had no coach last year, not to mention half the roster were place holders or cap fillers or done players and similar junk.
That 12 win team doesn’t exist anymore. It’s time to get over it.
If we start Humph, Brook, Devin and Clee, that’s 4/5’s of a team that won 12 games.
I don’t think Humphries would start. I think Favors would start over him. Anyways, last year, we started 4 guys who started for us the previous year. Yet, we won 22 game less. See where I want to go? Not to mention 2 guys out of that potential starting line up have experience starting for NBA finalist teams. So what?
and...
We won 5 of our final 12 games, with TWill averaging 15 pts, 7 rebs and 6 ass. We had won just 7 of our previous 70 games.
that final 12 games stretch includes wins over good playoff teams like the Spurs, the Celtics, the Bulls or the Bobcats.
funny
You say
That 12 win team doesn’t exist anymore. It’s time to get over it.
But keep referring to
We won 5 of our final 12 games, with TWill averaging 15 pts, 7 rebs and 6 ass. We had won just 7 of our previous 70 games.
Can we talk about it or only when it’s convenient to fit our argument?
the last quote
was an answer to your 12 win team argument. I tihnk we should move on, that 12 win team doesn’t exist anymore, BUT if you or whoever want to play that game to downplay TWill’s value using the 12 win argument (it’s very recurrent), I can counter it with actual evidence that TWill made them more competitive.
But that was for a different team
With a different style, coach and system. it’s like the difference between CDR with Frank and Kiki. As you say if we’re goingto forget about last year and move on, it’s what will he do THIS year…
I forgot to mention
Smith was a rookie too during that season.
djsupreme, you may find funny the “loyalty” to some of those players from last year’s team, I find even funnier the love for guys who have been several years in the league and have not shown they are the kind of players some here believe they are, yet they seem to believe guys like Bass would be the answer our problems. I’d call it the grass is always greener on the other side syndrome.
Andres B
Didn’t the all those team sit out their starters.
for instance
a team like Chicago was fighting for the last playoff spot in the east with the Raptors when we defeated them w/ TWill recording a Triple-Double.
I saw every game of all of the players that played on the Nets last year.
and they all had an opportunity to show what they could do. And they did. Twill looks to have a huge upside, but that’s based on 2 months. I can’t just throw away the rest of the season because that’s part of the equation too.
I’ve seen what Bass can do and I’ve see what Humph can do. Give me Bass all day.
I think fans have a tendency to fall in love with players on their roster, and I think we have a good nucleus. But Brook and Favors are the only untouchables to me. I think we could upgrade at every other position.
by djsupreme on Aug 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think fans have a tendency to fall in love with players on their roster
And some others always think the grass greener on the other side.
I think we got a good look at our own grass last year
You liked it? I’ll take somebody elses grass..Not for smokin either…lol
again
Four of our 5 starters also started for us the year before, when we won 22 games more than this year.
but that 5th guy was the difference maker
VC.. And that will also depend on who the PF is. I’m not down on this team but I’m not against upgrading either. Like I said only Brook and favors are untouchables to me..
last year
I said we’d finish dead last when some here talking about playoffs. I know what we have. But I just don’t think you should dismiss some of our guys just bc of the terrible season we just had.
Also, it’s Brandon Bass we’re talking about here, not Kevn Garnett or any sort of All Star player. Bass is a career back up who has never been given more than 20mpg a night in his entire career. You can say he was playing behind Dirk, but he played behind no MVP caliber player in New Orleans or Orlando, where he was beaten out of the rotation by Ryan Anderson (who could start for us until Yi stunk the gym up at an unbelievable level towards the end of the 2008-09 season). I know, I know, he doesn’t fit their system. Look, they signed him so they could have different options when they needed to go with a more physical line up, but he didn’t gave them enough reasons to go that route. Before he joined the Nets, Kris Humphries had played behind ASs like Bosh, Boozer or Dirk. That didn’t mean he was a player who can play 25-30 minutes or start on a worse team.
I'm just going by the "eye" test.
meaning regardless of how many minutes, where they played or what the situation, Bass is a better player than Hump and has some tools that would help the Nets be a better team. he’s abanger and he’s physical. we need at least one player that brings that to the table. he’s no all star but he fills a void. Humph brings energy but that’s about it. i think if Favors develops fast enough Bass would fall right back into his role as a 20 mpg productive thumper off the bench.
But I get your point on all of the above..
Agreed.
Bass is a better player than Hump and has some tools that would help the Nets be a better team. he’s abanger and he’s physical. we need at least one player that brings that to the table. he’s no all star but he fills a void.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I’ve seen what Bass can do and I’ve see what Humph can do. Give me Bass all day.
Dallas saw with the both of them could do, and struggled over whether to let Bass go. They just could not match the salary he was going to get when Dirk played his position. Humphries they just traded away as a piece in a salary dump.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This could very well be a good thing, but who knows their history.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't really saying that Twill isn't agood player
Twill fans are soo sensitive. I like Twill and if he’s the best man to get the job done and I hope he DOES have a breakout year. But my bottom line is I root for the uniform. I hope ALL of the Nets players have great years not just Twill. And if they have to trade Twill or any other player to bring in better talent, I’m down with that guy too.
What I’m saying is that since these players were on the Nets, the fans show them more loyalty. A lot of posters dismiss Outlaw and Morrow because they don’t really know them. But if you go to the Warriors blogs after Morrow left, you’d see they LOVE him. We give Twill the benefit of the doubt because he had a very good 2 months. Morrow lead the legaue in 3pt shooting. If Morrow gets more minutes because he fits better. Great. if Twill fits better.. Great!
I root for the team first and foremost
and I think TWill gives us the best chance to win out of any wing we have. I just don’t see the point on burying players or wanting them gone because last season’s dismal performance. I’m not a big Courtney Lee fan, but I wouldn’t throw him under the bus because of his inconsistent performance last year. So what if he was bad on a terrible team? I can also say he did nice on a championship contender. See my point? I just don’t think we should overreact nor make rash decisions based on last year’s season.
Btw, I wanted us to draft Earl Clark over TWill last season. NJQuestCast will tell you it’s true (TWill was my 2nd option tho). I like him bc of what I saw from him last year, I’ve never been a blind TWill fan.
djsupreme, you are spouting some knowledge today
But my bottom line is I root for the uniform. I hope ALL of the Nets players have great years not just Twill.
There is the distinct sense that sometimes the TW fans want all the other SGs to suck just so TW gets his moment to shine. They don’t want Morrow to dominate. They don’t want Lee to mature in a fine defender and distance shooter. They don’t want Harris to do great with Farmar on the floor. And they don’t really care what is happening at PF. Its the TW show.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
you would think with the loyalty to so many of the players we have that we weren’t 12-70 last year.
Bass would be a perfect fit because he’s a true banger. We don’t really have a true banger on the team.
And a good mid-range shooter as well.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's Wait For Someone Really Good, OK?
If Sean May comes to camp in shape, and works hard, and is coachable, he is a better player than Bass———potentially! It wouldn’t surprise me if May works out and gives us 15 quality minutes a game. He has got to know that we are his last chance to play somewhere where the native language is English. Let’s wait with our cap room or a trade for someone better than May or Bass to come along. I would have traded CLEE straight up for Taj Gibson in a heartbeat. But Chicago just signed another two, so we are too late. I bet Chicago regrets dumping Kirk Heinrich to clear cap space. I regret us dumping Yi for cap space as well. Glad we didn’t draft Earl Clark last year, he’s got nothing.
Paul from Delray Beach
If Sean May comes to camp in shape, and works hard, and is coachable, he is a better player than Bass———potentially!
Not in the least.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ah, kv
Sean May in good shape – something the nba has not really seen – is greater than bass. And I’m charter member of “trade for bass” club
First of all Sean May has had microfracture surgery. That means that the padding on his knee was gone and he had fractures drilled into the bone hoping that the body produce SOME kind of padding from the trauma of the fractures. He is a HUGE man (even in “shape” which he really is not or we would have heard about the transformation), and the key to knee surgeries is a weight issue, how much pressure the body puts on the knee. Even if he is in shape, this weight is a huge problem. Add to the issue of his knee, the guy already was a low to the ground player, whatever lift he did have is now gone. He was never really mobile at NBA level, and the skills he came into the league have been diminished. He is on the cusp of leaving the league all together. Even if he is in shape, he isn’t close to Bass’s playing potential, who is entering his physical prime. Bass would run circles (and bang holes) into an “in shape” post-surgery May. May’s one plus is his shooting touch, but Bass has an excellent shooting touch himself.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nets are not going to trade for Bass
not unless they can retain their cap space…and I don’t see how they do that. The cap space, as Dave D has written, is “sacrosanct”.
There is a plan…the plan calls for them to retain up to $15 million in cap space throughout this season. They have said it…more than once…to beat reporters, who have written it. The plan also calls for them to have $18 million in cap space at season’s end. Diverting from that plan to take Brandon Bass, who will be owed $8 million after this season is not in the cards.
They also believe that Favors will play a “significant role” this season. The conventional wisdom is that the Nets need some sort of a caddy to fill in until he is ready. That conventional wisdom may be wrong….and the Nets are not going to trade for a caddy who is owed $4 million this year and $8 million over the next two. He’s not worth it.
This isn’t fantasy basketball…it’s the real thing. You don’t trade for the moment.
I disagree
because they have already gone after or inquired about several PF’s including Tyrus Thomas, who is nothing more than a caddy. And they were willing to give up salary cap for him. I know they have said they’re saving cap space but they also said they will bring in a veteran PF. Whoever that PF is isn’t playing for peanuts and since it’s not fantasy basketball they’ll be eating into their salary cap no matter who they sign. The Nets have said several things with regard to the plan and building the team and the plan has changed based on available talent.
Thorn liked Tyrus Thomas
Thorn liked Carlos Boozer. They couldnt get either. Then they went out and signed other players and got to see Favors in practice and in the summer league…as well as Damion James.
I dont know how many times I have to state it: they have said repeatedly since signing the last free agent that they want to maintain $14 million to $15 million this season. and $18 million next July.
Brandon Bass is overpaid. He is owed $12 million. They are not going to sacrifice what they have saved up in cap space.
Brandon Bass is overpaid. He is owed $12 million.
If Brandon Bass is overpaid, then Anthony Morrow is overpaid. They have the same contract, and Morrow likely isn’t even a starter.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
And if Bass is overpaid at 4 mill, how much was Thomas overpaid at 8 mill? There is no way Thomas is TWICE as good, or TWICE as valuable as Bass.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
at Net Income
He’s not worth it.
This. It’s pretty simple. He wouldn’t make a difference for our team. He’s a 3rd string PF. He sat almost half the games last year due to his coach decision. He couldn’t beat Ryan Anderson, for crying out loud, and has never ever averaged 20mpg a season in his career. ’NUFF SAID.
NI you even suggested Bass yourself
Why the change of heart?
Two More Holes to Fill
by NetsDaily on Jul 11, 2010 8:54 AM EDT in 2010 Free Agency 166 comments
The Nets finally got some shopping done, adding Travis Outlaw, Johan Petro and (likely) Anthony Morrow over the last few days.
But they’re still missing a power forward and a back-up point guard. The list of potential targets remains the same: Udonis Haslem, Luis Scola and Jordan Farmar.
If a power forward can’t be had in free agency, they could go the trade route, with Orlando’s Brandon Bass as one who might be available.
Well NI
I guess your suggestions should be taken with a grain of salt because you surely suggested Bass as an option in the past. And I hate to say it but your word is far from final.. It’s just as good of a guess as anyone elses. I’m sure you didn’t see Sean May coming.. or did you?
3 weeks ago really isn't that deep in the archives.
Suddenly though, for Net Income Humphries has become better than Bass.Go figure. He must really be working out in these last 3 weeks.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
A trade will be made
This team is going to trade one of their shooting gurads its unfair to see talent go to waste on the bench when they could just trade one of them for a need and that is a Power Forward right? 3 Shooting Guards that have potential to play 30 minutes each and are all talented but won’t get that playing time playing together .Why did AVERY get a 1 and 2 if T-Will plays both those Positions something fans should take a look at.
Makes too much sense -
But Net Income seems to have come upon some “inside” information in the last 7 days.
As I mentioned, you have to also include Harris in this SG list, as it seems that Farmar was told that he is also going to be on the floor as a point when Harris is at 2 guard. That makes 4 SG options.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect though JJ25, is that the player they want to trade is TW, a player that not every team out there will want. There is the obvious attitude problem (even if it is a PR/Twitter problem alone), and then there is the shooting problem. Most teams don’t want to add a SG that is a “playmaker” without a deep range shot.
There are of course reasons beside skill set and attitude why TW would be preferred to Lee in a trade for the Nets. TW makes a little less than a mill more this year, and also has a longer contract commitment.
I agree with you that not only does a trade make sense, it is almost mandatory given the logjam. But is the trouble really finding someone to take TW and give value in return?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No
The only SG the Nets have who has the potential to play 30 minutes is TWill. Lee and Morrow are one trick ponies. Role players cannot ask for 30 minutes a night. They’re specialists.
Why did AVERY get a 1 and 2 if T-Will plays both those Positions something fans should take a look at.
It’s called depth. None of those guys is better than TWill. It’s that simple.
people act
as if we hadLeBron James and Dwyane Wade starting and Paul Pierce and Kobe Bryan coming off the bench. We have some role players who are not in a position to ask for 30 minutes a night. Not a knock on Lee or Morrow. There will PT for everyone and Avery will let the kid battle it out, so just give it a rest.
Why the change of heart?
The changes of heart likely is that I wrote a post on it, and he didn’t.
I STILL am waiting for the list of “star” players that are expected to be available at the trade deadline, so that we can all ask whether any of these guys are ACTUALLY going to be available (ie Mello, or Ming), or are ACTUALLY star players and worth the contracts that people are looking to be dumped.
I don’t really care if Dave D calls cap space “sacrosanct”. The question is, What are you planing to do with it?
And, as many have pointed out, it is very likely that if you trade for Bass you can give up salary as well.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't like the patronizing comments
This isn’t fantasy basketball…it’s the real thing. You don’t trade for the moment.
I wondering if it was fantasy basketball when HE decided to write about it.
The whole point of trading for a PF is precisely NOT trading for the moment. The point of trading for a PF is that you have a solid second plan if Favors doesn’t thrive, so you don’t have to push him out there if his learning curve is slower than you hope.
Is there a player whose development is MORE important than the development of Favors for the Championship aspirations of this team?
And I thought making the Playoffs this year was a priority for Prok? How can this be a priority and you are going to have Humphries and a totally unproven/raw rookie at PF?
Lastly, it is Net Income who is playing fantasy basketball, as he is saving up Cap Space for some incredible trade deadline move he has no idea for what player. He is imagining that simply stocking cap space is the ideal plan without any concept of the market that is coming. How about name names, and talk about specific contracts you are hoping to step up and make a move on? It is precisely this vague Cap Space projection into future moves that that is fantasy and unreal. This Cap Space fantasy move was exactly what the Knicks did. it ended up working out okay, but certainly not great.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I wondering if it was fantasy basketball when HE decided to write about it.
This is a good question as well. He is wildly inconsistent on Bass. He says that Bass “thrived” under Avery, but he also is so bad he might not be better than YI. He seems not to understand why Bass was behind Anderson, yet he lists him as a prominent option for PF just one week ago. And now he has given up playing “fantasy basketball”, because in the last 7 days he has come to realize that the Nets master plan is to pursue a nameless “star” at the trade deadline. Ask who this fantasy fellow is, who knows? All in all not very consistent.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You really don't have to even go back three weeks ago, Just last Saturday
Net Income: "Last week, we listed a few point guards who we thought the Nets would be interested in if they are indeed going for “glue guys”. This week, we’re going to take a look at a couple of young power forwards who play for teams that appear to have decided to go in a different direction, leaving these guys available. In both cases, their teams have to be thinking about the luxury tax and may not need a player in return…
..The second player out there is Brandon Bass of the Magic. Bass, at 6’8", is a power forward…period. He’s being paid $4 million over each of the next three years, making him a bit more expensive. Bass thrived under Avery Johnson, but has done nothing before or since Dallas. He averaged 8.4 ppg and 4.5 rpg in 19 minutes a game over 160 games in Dallas. But after signing a $16 million deal with the Magic, Bass played in only 50 games for the Magic, averaging 5.8 ppg in only 13 minutes a game. The Magic are way over the luxury tax and don’t seem to have much love for Bass, focusing instead on Ryan Anderson as their backup 4"
July 31st, 2010.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
More Net Income on Bass, just 4 days ago: Aug 3, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
Talking of how wonderful Avery is: “he has an excellent record developing young players, as detailed in the Off Season Report #15.Harris, Howard, Daniels, Bass, Diop, Barea all developed under him.”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And...where Bass Isn't at good as Yi May 30, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
Bass is a MAJOR disappointment, particularly considering his new contract.
Again, he fell behind Ryan Anderson in the Magic rotation, yet people think he would jump ahead of Yi? Why did he fall so far in the Magic rotation?
Here of course he ignores (or does not know) the REASON why he fell behind Ryan Anderson. The Magic want PFs that shoot the 3, and Anderson shot 211 3s last year at 37%.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 7, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m for a Hump-Bass swap. Slight upgrade , but an upgrade nonetheless. Seems like it would work on Orlando’s end too. They can bring in Anderson or Hump depending on what they need and they don’t have to worry about Bass pouting.
I would start Bass and give him around 25 minutes per – the rest for Favors (sometimes Outlaw if they a team tries small ball crp on us and we can’t match up).
Interesting. What if they asked for a second round pick as well?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 9, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Bearish on Bass
When discussing a player like Bass, you have to look at the long term building plan for the team. Brandon Bass is owed over 15 million dollars for the last 3 years of his deal, while Kris Humphries is owed 3 million dollars and is then off the books. Is the difference in production really worth the extra millions and years? I don’t think it is.
A more interesting pickup would be a guy like Kosta Koufos from Minnesota. The T Wolves have a bad team and a lot of bad depth at the center position, and he probably won’t see much floor time. Hump is a local hero who can give them some depth behind Kevin Love. Koufos is still young, has range, and can play both the 4 and 5. He would be a great swing big man on the cheap.
I wouldn’t sleep on the idea of sending Lee back to the Magic for Anderson. The Magic have plenty of bigs, but unless Stanley Robinson is a super sleeper they have no perimeter defenders outside of Pietrus that can manage the big 3, and they have a win-now roster.
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@kv
There is not much of a difference between Humphries and Bass. Both have been very limited in playing time due to being behind great power forwards. Humphries was behind Bosh and Nowitzki as well. Humphries came here last year and showed he can be a legit backup 4. Now we just need Favors to become the stud he can be. May can add some insurance at the 4 in case Favors is a little slower to develop. AND THERE IS NO WAY YOU GIVE UP TERRENCE FOR BASS! FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME! TERRENCE IS A STUD!
LETS GO NETS!
The difference, which I have distinctly laid out statistically (but you can see it with the naked eye) is that Bass is a much better offensive player and shooter without being less of a defensive one. They have different games.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 10, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
More on Bass
This is from the Orlando Sentinel article describing the enthusiasm for Bass when he joined the Magic:
Exactly who Bass is — and why the Magic signed him to a four-year, $18 million contract that includes a player option for the 2012-13 season — will start coming into focus when the Magic open their preseason Monday night against Bass’ former team, the Dallas Mavericks.
New teammates and coaches already rave about the 24-year-old power forward’s work ethic, which shifted into an even higher gear during his stay with Jackson.
“Even if I wasn’t around, I still had that dry-erase board in my mind because I’m just that type of a person,” Bass said after a recent Magic practice. “When I set a goal and I set my eyes on something, I want to achieve it.”
Bass should add a dimension to the Magic that the team didn’t have last season.
The Magic needed another physical inside presence to complement Dwight Howard. The team finished 27th in the NBA last season in offensive rebounds per game. That low number can be traced, in part, to the team’s style of spreading the floor. But Bass will play closer to the basket, and he might prompt Coach Stan Van Gundy to shift Rashard Lewis to his natural position of small forward.
Van Gundy called Bass the Magic’s second-most “powerful” player, trailing only Howard.
“He just plays at a very, very high energy and intensity level, with great physical presence,” Van Gundy said of Bass. “I think he’s going to help us on the boards. He’s going to help us run on the court. He’s going to raise all of our levels.”
Bass closed practice Saturday by lifting weights. He was the last guy to leave the weight room.
Clearly the Magic decided to stay with the long range PF option, in particular because Ryan Anderson surprised them with his distance shooting. They thought they wanted a banger, but instead went even further into a spread offense.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
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