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Sean May Signs Non-Guaranteed Deal with Nets

Sean May has agreed to a one-year, non-guaranteed contract with the Nets. May, a 6'9" PF, has been plagued by related issues of weight control, conditioning and injury since entering the NBA as the #13 pick out of North Carolina in 2005. May's contract is similar to that of rookies Brian Zoubek and Ben Uzoh.

In five years, May has played in only 119 games, starting 25.  He missed the entire 2007-08 season after microfacture surgery.  He played in 37 games for the Kings last season, the most in his career, averaging 3.3 ppg and 1.9 rpg in less than 9 minutes a game. May is 26.

"I like (the fit) a lot," May wrote FanHouse via text message. "I think it's a perfect opportunity." May said he had spoken to the Jazz before agreeing to sign with New Jersey.  He also had a message for fans via Twitter: "Appreciate all the love!!  Thank you!  I'm excited about the Future and Helping the Nets!"  May is expected sign with the Nets Monday.

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Not too impressed with this signing

but I guess if he can stay healthy and in shape (big if), he can be a big body in the low post. I think we could have done better.

by djsupreme on Aug 5, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

yup

I wasn’t in favor of bringing back too many players from the 12-70 team. But if Sean May is the best they could do, I’d rather have Boone.

by djsupreme on Aug 5, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Boone

for him being a good locker room guy, good teammate, but his FT shooting is what killing him. For May it could be last opportunity to revive his career. Let’s hope he is our next Mikki Moore.

by Belarus4life on Aug 5, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is saying something, NI

as I recall, you were not too big a Boone fan. Plz accept my apologies if I am mistaken.

All this waiting for this move. C’mon.

by Paul G B on Aug 5, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boone is better

This is very true but its one of those deals for the opposition wont try to take take advantage of the Nets because of Lack of bigs now they can be more active in trade talks without getting robbed. Depending on the contract if its Vets Minimum he’s a third stringer.

by JJ25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure Boone would have come back

He’s going to make minimum no matter where he goes, so why return to the team where he lost 70 games and got booed by the crowd as he shot free throws?

by RoryT on Aug 5, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.

'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312

by Rusty_b on Aug 7, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

at NI
I would have preferred Boone

Me too.

by Andres B on Aug 6, 2010 5:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's That's funny Andres....I've never heard you indicate a liking of Boone (LOL just a little sarcasm)

For me: May or Boone….blah whatever, although Boone is a likable guy he’s just not that good. Very replaceable – maybe not by May though.

Humphries is better than both of those guys even as annoying as Humphries is (he thinks he is Karl Malone and is kinda of chucker). But Hump is more of an energy banger than both, a good per min rebounder, and can make a shot (sometimes).

The PF “vacancy/seatwarmer” only interests me if the player is better than Humphries. There were some options in FA that are gone. Then there was some trade hypotheticals – that may still work out later on.

We’ll see iof Favors can eliminate the discussion. Does anybody think Favors may eventualy outgrow the PF position in terms of size?

by Hey Now! on Aug 6, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

DO NOT RESIGN BOONE

The guy has no hands and can not hit a free throw. He is a player for a losing organization. Say goodby to the past and hello to the future.

by bruce706 on Aug 6, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

amen – boone is a total clod , he seems to go out of his way to screw up. if you like boone, you like losing

by drmagoo on Aug 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boone no hands?

He can sure catch it on a pick and roll and take it the last 6 feet to the hoop. It was his catch-and-jam act with Marcus Williams that got him drafted as a high pick.

by PigDaddy3 on Aug 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

notice i'm not saying keep him

that free throw thing — what an annoying problem, can be really crippling, and it comes from right in his head. good luck boone, hope you work it out.

by PigDaddy3 on Aug 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

agree

We need a rebounder, not just a PF. Boone was/is a better option.

by Zartan on Aug 6, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

non-guaranteed so why not? he’s a talented guy, and hopefully the fact that he couldn’t get guaranteed money will motivate him to get in shape. please, please – no more boone!

by drmagoo on Aug 6, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The why not is that he has NO upside (severe knee problems now, combined with weight issues), and every PF you invite is someone who Favors will compare himself to in some way. You want to invite guys that Favors has to test himself against and beat out. Not NBA dead-weight.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Nets are dumb on this point.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmmm....

Trust Avery’s decision making or kv’s……..hmmmmmmm

by Jay-dub on Aug 6, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Great. Avery has two SGs ahead of Twill. I’ll give you Sean May (if you want him), and you keep Twill on the bench.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avery has two SGs ahead of Twill.

No, he doesn’t. You don’t know it, stop acting as if you did.

by Andres B on Aug 7, 2010 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

at Jay-dub

hmm… that’s a tough call… hahahaha

by Andres B on Aug 7, 2010 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

if we are find a pf desperately

why not just to resign Boone and let him start at 4?

by Jarkid Shen on Aug 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Power Foward

Any Power Forward the Nets got via Free Agency wasnt/isnt going to start I could bet on that. s\Signing a Power Foward wasn’t magicly going to make room at the shooting guard position and thats where the Starting PF is going to come from via trade (C-Lee or T-Will and Hump) this is a deal for the Nets could be more active in trade talks without getting robbed (meaning teams trying to take advantage of their situation.)

by JJ25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

low risk

and medium reward. :)

by danxcr on Aug 5, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Well Looks like they are giving Favors every chance to wn...

IMO most “starting Quality PF’s” will bury Favors with experience. Not that they won’t be so much better but experienced.

Hump starts Favors gets minutes and May waaayyy back just in case. Factor in Outlaw when we need to play fast and shoot and petro when we need to go big. May is pretty much on the “practice Squad” I may be silly but i can’t think of a PF I want to trade for who makes sense on all levels if we are grooming Favors…

The JETS/NETS are coming!

by MrBDown on Aug 6, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow this sucks

Boone is a better player without a doubt

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 5, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

So this means favors is a starter?

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 5, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Most likely.

Unless he lays an egg in pre-season.

by Belarus4life on Aug 5, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not neccessarily. This means May will ride the pine until his butts sore.

by strange-brew on Aug 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

First move by King is a.....

BAD ONE

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."

by NJ Champ on Aug 5, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Guys come on

Im not going to say hes going to have a 20 10 season but you cant come out and say this is a bad move until May plays
How can you judge a move without even seeing if it pans out
Looks the mets and RA DIckey everyone was going crazy saying who wants this loser and now everyone loves him
The thing is IF he goes out and puts ups 12 and 6 numbers everyone is going to love this kid lets give him a chance before we throw him under the bus

"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"

Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks

by Wall2KingJames on Aug 6, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hopefully he can redeem himself in NJ

by Drew10135 on Aug 5, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

We are still lacking at the PF postion

Humphries, Favors and May will battle it out

by RandyOreens on Aug 5, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Bring on the fat jokes?

you guys had great ones during the cousins/ favors debate

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 5, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Is May on the seafood diet too?

He sure looks like he had plenty of jumbo lump crab cake and lobster with extra butter.

by imdkidd on Aug 6, 2010 6:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ehh not thrilled with this signing

but look at the bright side. He’s probably going to get around 20 minutes or more. Last time he played 24 minutes, he put up 12 and 7.. not bad for a one year stop gap. Low risk.

~AC24

by AC24 on Aug 5, 2010 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

20 MINUTES A GAME?

Your crazy this isnt Kiki or Frank that play these guys this is avery! Are you not forgetting that he wont be playing 20 minutes a game.

by RandyOreens on Aug 5, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If May plays 20 minutes a game this year

then its gonna be another loooooooooooooong season

"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."

by NJ Champ on Aug 5, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

nets were in love with may during the draft….lmao. guy cant stay on the court

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 5, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

He has had wieght problems this signing means nothing he’s third string or back up expect a trade C-Lee and Hump.

by JJ25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still beleive

this signing means nothing he could be a third string or he could be a backup maybe even a starter if the nets don’t dont trade for a better player it all depends how much money he was signed or now they can package Hump and C-lee without taking in cap space(more flexbilty on trades) probably trade for a player making 4+ million this means more options without blowing up the cap.

by JJ25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

i say screw it and start favors

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 5, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Sometimes you are what you are

and May is at his last stop.

May had appeared in only 82 of a possible 328 games since being picked 13th in the 2005 draft because of a lingering knee injury and conditioning problems.

by djsupreme on Aug 5, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Finally.

The GOAT.

I was bleeding in anxiousness as I awaited May’s decision. In fact, I’m surprised that LeBron and Bosh decided to choose their destination before May. He was the big fish (both literally and figuratively) this off-season and frankly if the Heat had just pursued Sean and paired him with Wade they would have guaranteed the franchise a ’ship. Very poor job by Riley.

I can not believe that King pulled this off, he has to be the early favorite for Exec of the Year for this move. Wow.

I can now safely say that the Nets will easily make the playoffs. In fact, I’d be surprised if they aren’t in the Conference Finals.

If the Nets can add Mike “The Second Coming” James to the roster than this is a sure-fire Finals team. Can’t wait for the season to start.

by NBRITM on Aug 5, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

wow, bad offseason got you snapping before the season starts?????

Take a deep breath… It will all be ok… cap room and flexibility, cap room and flexibility…. just keep saying that to yourself and step away from all news sources for a couple of weeks. It will be ok.

by Paul G B on Aug 5, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

I’ve already said that the Nets will win 41 games. I was trying to be comical, apparently I did a bad job. Mah b.

I actually think it’s a good signing. Hopefully Avery can mold May like he did Diop. But, if not the Nets are fine with Favors/Hump/Brook/Petro.

I never get mad. It’s just sports.

by NBRITM on Aug 5, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I thought it was pretty funny.lol I got it the moment … no when I got to the middle of it. lol

by Ely Younger on Aug 6, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nets will make a trade for another big

Expect a trade one of our shooting guards and Hump for a quality power forward i bet on this its a deal not to get robbed on deals because lack of bigs and if they signed to vet minimum he’s a third stringer.

by JJ25 on Aug 5, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Conference Finals?

You must mean for the next season of the Biggest Loser. I don’t give him much of a chance though with those knees. He’s gonna be kicking back on the bench with his two best friends – a cheese burger and a Bud.

by imdkidd on Aug 6, 2010 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good Signing

There’s not much risk here. We have to spend money and sign someone cause we’re below the minimum right? Nothing to lose here, small risk, possibly big reward. Unless May turns his career around pronto we are still seeking a starting 4 through a deal at some point.

by supernetsfan on Aug 5, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Great Signing....

I think Sean will show the NBA what they’ve been expecting to see all these years…He will be an All-Star this year….

by NetFan48 on Aug 5, 2010 11:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not to fond of Sean's....

but Sean Hemp was pretty good……..Man , he was smokin’…..

by NetFan48 on Aug 5, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

If you are gonna sign a pf to a min. deal..

I think Ike Diogu would have been smarter, at least he has put up decent numbers when he’s healthy..

by BubbaMcBubba on Aug 5, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

I’ve always wanted to see Diogu get a chance

by J-Kay on Aug 5, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

May has a more polished game than Humphries, if he stay healthy and in shape, i think it will be a good and pleasent suprise for us.
P.S. I sure Avery will keep him in shape

by Chief Bubba on Aug 5, 2010 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

You know you’re good when there is a travelling violation on your highlight tape. (1:50) Anyone else surprised he can dunk?

by NJNETS29 on Aug 6, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's it....

someone who knows how to do it please post a youtube highlight video of Humphries – we will all be amazed.

LOL just kidding.

I love the highlight vids – really gets me pumped – but no one ever posts one of Hump! He’s got them you know. Guy is built like an adonis, can run, and shoot plus he is a great swimmer! Do the Humpty Hump!

by Hey Now! on Aug 6, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sean May

has a nice touch and know hows to use that glass.

by Ely Younger on Aug 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not like going into camp with 15 semi-guaranteed contracts

It may encourage some laziness and leaves us in a tough position in case someone w/o a contract looks really good in camp… A team playing well right before the official start should probably start ok… At least Uzoh and Zoubek are not guaranteed much… neither is Ross in the world of NBA salaries… I just hope King is open to releasing those guys to make room for someone not on the radar who dazzles.

by Paul G B on Aug 5, 2010 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Favors needs to start.

This signing is “eh” at best.

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 5, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

good thing it's only a 1-year deal

my guess is if favors isn’t starting on opening day, he’ll DEFINITELY be the starter by the all-star break.

by shane gayle on Aug 6, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Honestly if Sean May is in shape ready to play than this is a good sighing

He has a big backside can move people around, but honestly I see Hump in the end either starting or playing more minutes than May as Favors grabs the job towards the end of the season.

by Atronic on Aug 6, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Unless May is healthy

I think he can help out a lot….IFFFF HEALTHY and READY to get in SOME HARD WORK

by Atronic on Aug 6, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But May has always had serious injury and conditioning issues. Last year he reached a career high 37 games played. I tihnk the kid is talented, he averaged 12p, 7 rebs and 2 ass the only year he was able to play 20+ mpg, but he needs to stay healthy and in shape.

by Andres B on Aug 6, 2010 5:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wondering how many of those are garbage time

I hope he remains healthy.
His trending upwards, so who knows. We might have a backup to the backup.

"Beat the Heat!"

by faNETicS on Aug 6, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last Chance?

I had May in mind, as a possibility, because he is a no risk signing, with a decent upside. He was a great player in college. If he could give us 10 minutes a game, against certain teams, for the first half of the year, maybe it gives Favors enough rest and “watching games” time to learn a little something. May has got to realize that this is his last chance. If he reports out of shape, or doesn’t kill himself in training camp, they will dump him, and he starts bagging groceries at Publix. SO much talent, it would be a shame to waste it. I was a big fan of his Dad, he had heart! AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO IS OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER HIS DAD?

Paul from Delray Beach

by PaulErstein on Aug 6, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

There’s one thing to remember. Ross can be dealt after 8/29. May is a end of the bench guy I believe because they know he hasn’t logged a lot of minutes. He’s just not ready to play yet. I think there will be a trade coming in the next month. That’s where your MAIN starter comes from.

by CyberRambro on Aug 6, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

any! have any idea of a power forward the nets would go after in a trade if they gave up c- lee and hump or twill and hump

by Amin Adjmi on Aug 6, 2010 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Jason Thompson

That’s all I can come up with.

by strange-brew on Aug 6, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Help me out here

What do you mean by that? Are those guys too good to give up , or is Jason Thompson not good enough? Or would SAC not let him go because he’s too good ?

by strange-brew on Aug 6, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, on the bright side Sean May was a 100% 3pt shooter in 07-08, and in 06-07 a 67% shooter, showing dramatic improvement in his long game. Last year was an off year (0%), but if we can just get him to shoot more we really might have a diamond in the rough. I can’t wait for those games of HORSE with Morrow.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe May should teach T-Will how to shoot?

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

FIRE BILLY KING!

LETS GO NETS!

by JustinNJ on Aug 6, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I would rather have Boone and Humphries is much better!

LETS GO NETS!

by JustinNJ on Aug 6, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

There should be a clause in the contract prohibiting him from eating any fast food during the regular season.

LETS GO NETS!

by JustinNJ on Aug 6, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Just thought of a Guy who the Nets Could and Probably Should go after

Jared Jeffries

He can play Defense and is a expiring Contract 6.9M

Humps and Lee or Ross for Jeffries

Harris/Twill/Outlaw/Jeffries/Lopez

"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"

Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks

by Wall2KingJames on Aug 6, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

There is also a report that teams are persuing Jeffries
Nets could be one of them

"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"

Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks

by Wall2KingJames on Aug 6, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow..

I’m not a huge fan of Hump or Lee…but Lee for Jeffries? Really? Seems like Lee and even Hump to a much lesser degree still have a little more “upside” to fool some team in a package for something better than a totally one dimensional player like Jeffries – as verstaile as he is on D.

by Hey Now! on Aug 6, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its just a crazy signing.

Why go after a project, a guy who has had some self-discipline problems on a team that already has some maturity question marks, and a really young PF just drafted. I don’t even care if he is on the upswing, its adding instability to a team you are trying to STABILIZE. Even if he is 3rd string (which I doubt), why add a question mark to question marks. This is not time to try to catch lightening – pardon the pun – in a bottle.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Boost Favors’ confidence by looking at May’s physique everyday in practice? I like Avery’s thinking. 41 wins here we come.

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that is very possible. Favors can guard him in practice, and then go around him dunking left and right. Brilliant actually.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

However…

He’ll embarrass T-Will with his stroke and T-Will will lash out on Twitter because Avery is trying to make him look bad. Double-edge sword.

Although, he could also boost Harris’ confidence by showing that there are players in the NBA more injury prone than himself. Maybe it is brilliant. Avery 4 CoTY.

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a more serious note, why would you give a 270 man with an eating problem and microfracture surgery who has never played more than 37 games in a season a contract?

Who is May’s agent? Is there a quid pro quo in the works?

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Avery has that arrogance that you need to have to be an effective coach in professional sports.

Those other coaches couldn’t harness his talent and mold him into what he should be. But, I can.

To me the signing doesn’t make sense not because of the player, but because the Nets already have enough depth in the frontcourt IMO (Hump/Lopez/Favors/Petro).

I smell a trade.

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

3 of those guys should not be on an NBA court this year.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strong words. Really?

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Favors I would hope plays very few minutes this year (get a PF someone). I would hope that they bring him along SLOWLY.

Petro was a bench rider before the Nets. Hump is a bench rider. Are really any of these three starter quality frontline players THIS year? Not really.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between

What you said 1st:
“3 of those guys should not be on an NBA court this year.”
and how you supported your comment:
“Are really any of these three starter quality frontline players THIS year? Not really.”

Should they be in the NBA?
Yes, because they are and have been.
Should they be starters?
Not for extended periods, no.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a team was properly constructed I would not want any of these players IDEALLY on the court, each for different reasons.

My comment was made in response to your claim:

the Nets already have enough depth in the frontcourt

To me “enough” depth at front court for the Nets would be a level skill that would allow Favors to remain on the bench much of the year. Petro is not a PF, so the “depth” at PF is really Hump (who isn’t a starter on almost every team in the league), and a rookie who is so raw and shy in confidence that he needs to be nursed slowly.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Replied To Something I Did Not Say in This Thread?

Huh?

How many minutes do you want Favors to get anyway?
I’m hoping for 20-25.

He can’t learn if he doesn’t play.
IMO riding the pine will just kill his confidence and development.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The quote was from NBRITM, not you.

I really hope he averages less than 15. 10 to begin the year, and maybe up to 20 to end it. Not likely though on how the team is constructed.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair Enough

Not far from my hopes.

48 minutes between-
Favors
Humphries
Outlaw
D.James
Petro
May (if he makes it)
?? (future trades/signings)

should not be hard to fill.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Petro played 0 minutes at PF last year. And 0 minutes at PF the year before.

Outlaw hasn’t played consistent minutes at PF in three years, and that was on a very different team.

James is a rookie, and is dramatically undersized for PF

Hump could not start on any other team in the league at PF.

HUGE HOLE AT PF.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Again

Outlaw – I’ve already debunked your use of 82 games and gotten 1st hand accounts that yes Outlaw has been playing PF and more effectively than at SF according to them

Petro – has been told he will get a chance to play some PF. Could be a nice compliment to Brook. I have yet to see the guy play so will reserve judgement.

James – the big 12’s all time leading rebounder who played PF in college. Depending on match ups yes, I do see him getting some minutes

Humphries – I never called a starting quality PF, I said he can fill up some of the 48 minutes

And again we are 3 months away from the start of the season. More signings and trades are possible.

To be upset that they are POTENTIALLY trying to help fill what you consider our biggest whole, seems odd.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Outlaw – I’ve already debunked your use of 82 games and gotten 1st hand accounts that yes Outlaw has been playing PF and more effectively than at SF according to them

I examined the 82games data closely. And it does not support your conclusion at all. And you sited a couple of guys on a blog, one of which was Rastahead, or something like that.

Petro has been told he will be given a try at PF, that is because we have NOBODY.

James is a rookie, hopefully he will not get major minutes. WOW the Big 12 leading rebounder. “Getting some minutes” does not answer the huge hole at PF.

Hump: Anyone can “fill up minutes”.

And yes, I am not happy with what they are trying to stuff into this huge hole.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 Things

You never answered the following questions from an old thread.. and I’m asking for a reason.

1. Did you watch the Nets last year?
2. Did you see T.Williams play PG?

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, I never willfully avoid a direct question. I must have simply lost interest in the thread and stopped going, or missed your question straight on.

1. yes.
2. not sure how you mean that.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically yes.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t consider him a PG.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then I Have Proven My Point

About 82 games and their computer generated stats that you used in our Outlaw at PF argument.

82games does not show T.Williams having played any PG last season despite the fact he did. You saw, I saw it and so did many other.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09NJN6.HTM

Why?
Because it is computer generated and he is listed at a SG/SF acc. to their model I assume. Thus anytime a PG or PG/SG is on the floor like Harris, Dooling or Quinn, they default them to PG. How else could this work?

Thus Outlaw shows up less at PF than he actually played there, and why I presented the opinions and observations of Portland fans themselves, which you chose to dismiss and critique my use of after the fact, because it did not serve your argument.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does say that he played PG

It gave him 2% of all total minutes at PG.

But for your “theory” to work, Outlaw would have to have been playing PF at the same time a PF AND a C was on the floor. In fact, you can look at the line ups yourself, and see that this was not really the case at all.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But when he did as such (interestingly enough) the opponent managed a PER that was equal to Kobe Bryant.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But for your argument to work, look at the 5 man units:

Here.

There is no sneaky PF who is playing SF, while Outlaw is playing PF.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So You Would Rather

That they did not even offer May a non-guaranteed contract at all?

I’m not sure I understand why you think a move that has no risk, and only reward is a bad thing.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That they did not even offer May a non-guaranteed contract at all?

Yes. I don’t like the “upside” of it if it works out. And I don’t like the “downside” if it doesn’t.

Call it a crime, but I have my opinion about the signing.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never have I objected to your questions. But you have objected to the very voicing of my opinion.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Have Objected To..

Your reasoning yes.

And manner in which you pursue issues. From your responses it seems as though.. you argue to argue, and when I have given you answers and my opinions, you often don’t accept my answers (say I am wrong or went about something the wrong way) or address my responses directly, even though I do my best to counter your points directly. Some examples here and some examples in the old Outlaw debate we had.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I considered your use of the 82game data HIGHLY flawed, and your appeal to the authority of a blog quite suspect.

What can I say.

I DO find value in continuing an argument when there is a reasonable point at stake.

Your claim that Outlaw can play significant and effective minutes at the PF is foolish to me, and without evidence that looks deeply into the circumstances in which he played PF. Not to mention the given needs and weaknesses of our team.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Have Already Debunked Your

Use of 82Games, see above.

I’’m not sure how you ever thought a computer generated model was more accurate than Portland fan’s own testimony.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’’m not sure how you ever thought a computer generated model was more accurate than Portland fan’s own testimony.

Because an computer’s results can be objectively broken down (for instance as you are trying to do), and correlated to other objective criteria, whereas fans, such as these on this site, say the CRAZIEST things.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Number Do not Add up to 100%

19% at PF
37% at SF

and look how much better is production is at PF.

41-22 w/l at PF
vs.
36-42 w/l at SF

They scored 14 more points per game when he was at PF.

Also.. here is much more feedback.

Also.. here is much more feedback.http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=28

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are not reading the data correctly:

19% at PF
37% at SF

is the percent of the total number of minutes played at that position, for THE TEAM. There were times he was NOT on the court.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

And The Number Support

The team and he played much better at PF

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Numbers show he is better at PF

His PER is +3 vs his opponents at PF

His PER is -3 vs his opponents at SF

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are changing your argument.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

How so?

He did play significant minutes at PF.
He and the team performed better when he was at PF.

Tell me where I have wavered?

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your argument was that he was playing all kinds of minutes at PF that were not being counted by the computer. I have show that to be false.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Outlaw It seem They Are Counting Correctly

T.Williams and others, no.
I would love to know how they are computed, though. There are limitations to computer generated stats.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you look up Twill’s 5 man units I did not.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, why?

Was there something to see?
He was never listed at PG.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do You Admit The #'s You Like To Use

Show he and the team do better when he is at PF?

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a very small sample, and dangerous to read as such. In the top 11 man units it adds up to only 160 minutes ALL year long. Very hard to quantify.

And obviously the team thought him much better at SF, which is where they primarily played him.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

20% of the Total Minutes in the Season

Is insignificant?
Hardly.

See what I mean.. you will never admit or concede anything that counters your infallible logic and opinions. You love to argue and be negative just for the fun of it.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider it (19%) insignificant, especially in the context of the players on the floor in those units. You don’t. What can I say. It is enough to say that in my mind he is not a PF, and to you he is.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We do not have a Roy, Fernandez and a Blake on the floor which makes those minutes at PF possible. We just don’t have that. Maybe we could experimentally try it with Morrow, Twill and Harris, but its not the same.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Are Putting Words in My Mouth

He is F.
He can play SF
He can also play PF effectively to the point where he and the team both perform better.

That is also ridiculous.
19% of the total minutes available at PF is hardly insignificant. That is more than the average PF back-up gets. 820 minutes or so.

Again you will not reasonable debate. You put words in my mouth, you cherry pick numbers, and never acknowledge any possible fallacies in your logic, or another poster’s counterpoints as valid.

Have fun. I am done.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can also play PF effectively to the point where he and the team both perform better.

When you put him beside an MVP type player who can distribute, score and defend, and a long armed defensive minded PG who can shoot from anywhere, and a third guy who can shoot the 3 like crazy yes, he can PF because you are going to stretch the floor in every direction, and punish bigs. But we do not have a Roy, nor a Blake, nor really a Fern.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

19% of the total minutes available at PF is hardly insignificant.

Its insignificant when you LOOK who has to be on the floor for those minutes, and compare it to where he played most of the time.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not too excited about Jeffries.

LETS GO NETS!

by JustinNJ on Aug 6, 2010 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Where would Jeffries play? We have Terrence, Outlaw and Damion James fighting for minutes at the 3.

LETS GO NETS!

by JustinNJ on Aug 6, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

I want no part of Jeffries. That’s why I believe Ross will be moved in part of a trade. They’re overloaded at the SF. If his Summer League game is any indication, if TWill is dealt, I see James starting at SF by the end of the year.

by CyberRambro on Aug 6, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Say no to Jeffries!

LETS GO NETS!

by JustinNJ on Aug 6, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions  

everyone needs to stop acting like this is a make-or-break deal

This signing doesn’t really mean much and is an extremely low risk move with potentially some sort of reward. Everyone remembers how good he was in college for UNC and although he has struggled in the NBA (mainly because of weight issues) Avery has a tendency to bring the best out of people so who knows. If it fails miserably it costs us virtually nothing so why everyone is flipping out about this already is a little bit ridiculous.

by bdiggle25 on Aug 6, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah

Im not a big fan of this signing bc of the baggage May brings, but he’s talented, let’s hope he can stay healthy and in shape. If he doesn’t, we wouldn’t have lost anything. But I’d rather have re-signed JB.

by Andres B on Aug 6, 2010 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

We better not trade Humphries because we just signed this guy!

LETS GO NETS!

by JustinNJ on Aug 6, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

We didn't sign Hump.

He elected to stay. If it was our choice he’d be long gone by now. We’re stuck with him. I doubt anyone wants him so forget about trading him. He is about as desirable as Boone. Although May hasn’t done much in the NBA I would take him over Hump and Boone in a minute. Imo the biggest reason we won 12 games last year is because we had one of the worst front courts ever. Nobody wants any of those players we had execpt Lopez.

by msm2 on Aug 6, 2010 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take May over Boone

Boone can take his great FT shooing to Atlanta. May has some potential and the contract is only a year.

by darrell1 on Aug 6, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a joke right?

Cuz no one is laughing. Kiki was giving a mission to tank and make cap space. I don’t know what this is. At this rate, Nets can stay in NJ. No fans in Brooklyn.

by Malorkayel on Aug 6, 2010 2:19 AM EDT reply actions  

underwhelming, pathetic, sad.

by oman8 on Aug 6, 2010 6:55 AM EDT reply actions  

People please!

This is obviously a practice-situation signing… Last year, they had a folding chair play defense on Yi. Favors is more talented than Yo, so they got the fattest FA available for Favors to learn post up moves against. He’ll be inactive most of the year, and his contract is small enough that he can be cut if we need a spot for a trade. I’m just amazed that ANYBODY is still throwing money at May. I wish somebody would pay ME 800,000 to be one of the worst in the company.

by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 6, 2010 7:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I kinda like this signing

If the purpose is to take some pressure off of Favors and help him develop; given the options, I think the Nets did the right thing.

by R-D on Aug 6, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

as someone said jared jeff makes more sense and has an expiring contract.

by killa kadafi191 on Aug 6, 2010 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

and will be paid more than $6,883,800

eliminating half the cap space. May will be paid a little more than 1/10th of that (league pays a large part of vets minimum).

The value of an expiring contract in a year where there are so many teams under the cap and a lockout looming is less than it normally is.

Again, the Nets are preserving cap space not just for next summer, but for an opportunity at the trade deadline.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

its so important to have the cap space for a trade….never know when the opportunity might come for a trade

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 6, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

cap space to take back a large contract. Its that simple.

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 6, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

"No one would give up pieces for a 2-month rental"

What pieces? No one?

Do you understand the value of having that much cap space? It means that you can trade some picks, some cash, and a young player for Melo. And when he is traded, THAT is how it will go down. That is how it ALWAYS goes down. When a team decides to dump a superstar, it means it’s decided to go into rebuilding mode and so in return they are satisfied with a combination of picks, cash, young player, trade exception or expiring contract.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

When a team decides to dump a superstar, it means it’s decided to go into rebuilding mode and so in return they are satisfied with a combination of picks, cash, young player, trade exception or expiring contract.

its written in stone

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 6, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

May as well be

and if you’d like, I can cite about 10 examples of it.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Salary dumps by definition...

… have nothing to do with trading equivalent basketball talent- they are driven by a teams desire to clear contracts from their team salary. So it only works for both teams in the sense that one team acquires talent, the other team clears salary.

by fly75 on Aug 6, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly right, which is why it doesn't apply to Denver, who aren't ready to rebuild.

And don’t forget that Melo’s wife doesn’t appear to be rational, so it would be extremely risky to expect to re-sign Melo (hence no trade to Nets).

The perfect example that it WOULD apply to is Indiana, who if their other players are healthy, would be willing to punt making the playoffs and dump Troy Murphy’s salary in favor of more youth.

Lets face it, the best the Nets are going to get via this route is picking up the 12 million contract of 7 year starting PF Troy Murphy.
Whoops, I guess I mentioned Troy Murphy again!

Nets have 2 choices – 1: they can get Troy Murphy at the start of the season (after realizing that Sean May and Favors aren’t going to lead the Nets to the playoffs), or
2. They can get Troy Murphy around the trade deadline, which might be too late to make the playoffs.

The thing that both Proky and Avery have said should be taken seriously, is that Nets plan to make the playoffs this year. Only after they make the playoffs with the rest of the NBA take the Nets seriously.

If Nets could have 15 million in cap space next summer, after making the playoffs, THEN free agents would listen.

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any word...

On if the contract is guaranteed? I know it’s not much, but if we were able to slip in a weight clause which (I think) the Kings did, it would surely encourage him to actually try.

by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 6, 2010 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What counts, is if he were waived, how much stays towards cap space; Same question for Zoubec and Ross? Nets could later waive any of them if they need roster space.

Clearly this move is because Avery wants someone in Camp who can play PF, before Nets get totally shut out.
Avery also promised a Veteran presence (LOL)
So Avery is keeping 2 promises at same time with May!

Obviously they think his upside (if healthy) is better than that of Boone. At least May is a 76% career FT shooter:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/sean_may/career_stats.html

Clearly Nets will be looking for something better if it develops after training camp.
Obviously Troy Murphy wasn’t for sale (yet). Indiana wants to wait, according to Larry Bird’s earlier quote.
By the time Melo re-signs, even Proky will be begging King to get someone with that wasted cap space (expiring that is).

Now Nets still have option to get an upgrade for Zoubec, but that might not come until they see Zoubec in preseason.
I’m not that optimistic about Zoubec, especially with doubts of Lopez’ stamina early in the season.

May is more of a true PF (can shoot midrange) than Boone, and he is almost a “beast” type of player.
Boone plays offense like a Center, but isn’t big enough (not to mention a disaster at end of games due to free throws).

This move is a “holding pattern” move. Just some security.

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry..

How come the word “Petro” doesn;t appear in your post hmmm? Do you thik the Nets are paying him 3+ mill for the next 3 years so that he can teach them to speak French? Or do you think he will actually play behind Brook as advertised.

by Hey Now! on Aug 6, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

If something happens to either Brook (very possible) or Petro the Nets are screwed and would be eliminated from Playoffs on that alone.

Yes, thank you for bringing up Petro. You give me a chance to remind everyone that if Nets would only get a legitimate backup center like Krstic (5.5 million expiring) or someone similar, then Nets would have much more security. As was written, Petro could then play some PF, as advertised.

To date, no one has been able to produce the name of a good backup Center who is both as good as Krstic, fits the Economic plan (to have lots of cap space next summer), and may come cheaply, now that Thunder have Cole Aldrich.

Nets WILL suck if Lopez isn’t 100% all year or if something happens to Petro.

Don’t blame me. I am only the Messenger!

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jerry Jerry Jerry

If Lopez gets hurt and misses signifcant time – the Nets are cooked in terms of winning more games than last year. That is obvious. My post was actually kind of playful – I don’t think Petro or Zoubek or anybody not named Lopez or Favors is anything special in the Nets frontcourt at all. All highly replaceable with other d-league junk or the likes of the Boones of the world. Whether its Zoubek or some other 5 foul-giver – its really meaningless. 3rd string center – really? That’s your concern? I agree that Krstic woud be a nice back-up becuase he can score – but he is more like to get hurt than anyone you mentioned.

I was just amused (I read all of your posts) that in discussing the back-up center position you completely disregarded Petro. Not from the standpoint that he is any good – but from the standpoint that he IS the back up center on this team. You must accept that fact.. Yeah if any teams first and second strings centers go down – there’ s trouble. The Nets wil have trouble this year anyway

Petro at PF? Yeah – he actually said that – and considering what the Nets got going at the PF, Petro could conceiveably bully his way to p.t. at the 4 – not likely IMO. The big banner with Petro’s signing and the vast majoirty of quotes from coaching staff, media, and the player himself is that “the Nets just signed Lopez’s backup”.

by Hey Now! on Aug 6, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

To elaborate the current Nets squad:

If EITHER Lopez OR Petro miss significant time, the Nets are screwed, not BOTH Lopez AND Petro.

Nets are short a True Center, as Zoubec isn’t ready to Defend in NBA. Better teams CAN survive, when losing their backup Center.

It might even be an upgrade (as mentioned below) to consider Jarron Collins to compete with Zoubeck in preseason. Jarron is a FA. Maybe he is so unwanted, like Sean May, that Nets could get Jarron for a non-guaranteed contract. At least you would know what you are getting with JCollins, should there be an injury to Lopez/Petro.

And lets be clear, that virtually no one in the NBA community was impressed with the Nets acquisition of Petro.
Maybe Avery can bring out the competitive spirit in Petro, but most of the rest of the NBA considers him a 3rd string Center. And IF Petro can be used at PF, then my idea IS a legitimate way to help solve two problems at one time.

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jarron is horrible

I saw him last year with the Suns, might as well play Zoubek, Collins is basically just a body now does nothing well.

by Atronic on Aug 6, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I’d rather have Zoubek

by Andres B on Aug 7, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the center is that big a weakness

Other than Howard nobody else in the east really scares me let a lone in our division offensively.

by Atronic on Aug 6, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

deal is non-guaranteed

it’s little more than a training camp invite.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is what im talking about

All the fans on this site are acting like the Nets gave him the same contract they gave to Outlaw its a non-garennteed deal if he does good in Traning camp the Nets could keep him if he looks over wieght and lazy the nets decline the contract I still think it was a deal to get a better Power Forward without other teams taking advatage of their situation now teams look at the Nets as having 6 big men going into training camp and not trying to force a deal to the Nets.
He will not start i could be on that now the Nets could package Lee and Hump without giving up cap space and at the same time not getting robbed maybe Landry(teams trying to take advantage) if May was going to start he would have got a Gareented contract.

by JJ25 on Aug 6, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

2– You think Avery would sign some out of shape, lazy guy? NO. He must be in great shape, working out constantly, etc.

He had MICROFRACTURE surgery! Hello? The guy is 270, and had MICROFRACTURE surgery. And he has historically BEEN A LAZY guy.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if he doesnt make the team

the Nets owe him nothing. You do understand this is nothing more than a summer camp invite?

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And do you understand that each and every invite to the team tells all the other team invites “This is the kind of player we are hoping to have here”.

You are trying to create an atmosphere of professionalism and commitment.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you offer an invitation to a guy who is a chronic over-eater, is 6 9 with no hops, a severe knee surgery history, what are you saying to your guys? Hey guys, ANYBODY can make this team, you better try hard! Is this the “competition” that is supposed to push Favors into better play? Is this supposed to get Favors ready for the NBA? Maybe someone is right, its just meant to be someone that Favors can run circles around and dunk on, to get his confidence up.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

meaningless

you think Sean May being signed by the Nets is going to affect decisions by other training camp invitees? TRAINING CAMP INVITEES?!?

Players attracted to the Nets for TRAINING CAMP invitations are going to consider a lot of other things, as noted elsewhere: the owner, the coach, the GM, the arena(s), etc, but most of all, the money and their chances of making the team.

This is about complaining for complaint’s sake. It’s not skepticism.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not talking of invitee attitudes, I’m talking about the attitudes of Net roster players who are going to be competing with him.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really want Sean May playing ANY minutes for you at PF this year?

No. He has a bad knee, a historically bad attitude towards his conditioning, and no NBA game.

Why bring a guy like that into camp?

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because there is no risk

The contract is not guaranteed

If he makes it.. great.. it shows he is in shape, can play and be inspirational to others. The guys was one of the most talented front court scorers in college and offers a few things we don’t have:
1. Post moves
2. A huge body
Brook rebounded much better when he played with Boone than with Yi. Even though Boone was a better rebounder and seemingly would take away rebounds from Lopez, the fact was Boone took up more space in the paint boxing out something Yi did not do. May takes up more space that 3 Yi’s would.

If he doesn’t make it.. oh well.
It will be a lesson to our players, that talent and skills are not everything. Being in shape and healthy is just as important.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he makes it.. great.. it shows he is in shape

He made many camps, when has he ever been in “great” shape. The Nets are desperate for PFs, he won’t have to be in “great” shape to make the team.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How Do You Know This?

Do you think he will make the team?
And if you think the Nets are so desperate, why isn’t the deal guaranteed?

Again either he makes it because he deserves it (inspirational to other players) or he doesn’t (shows players they can’t get by on talent)

You really tend to fixate and obsess on the most trivial of things. To get so worked up over a non-guaranteed contract/camp invite seems a bit odd.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do I know he has never been in great shape? Look at his career struggles.

Why isn’t the deal guaranteed? Because they are taking a flier, and they didn’t have to guarantee it (nobody offered anything much better).


You really tend to fixate and obsess on the most trivial of things.

Then why are you fixating on the same thing?
Or fixating on me fixating on a thing?

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Offering a Reply or Two in My Limited Check-In

Half of this thread is your complaining over this signing, much like I’ve seen you take over threads obsessing over T.Williams in one way or another.

I really don’t have much more to say.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is topic of this thread?

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is the signing of Sean May. My comments were light and disapproving, though again and again I was put to the point where I had to justify my comments. I think that it was a poor choice for several moderate reasons, but the larger issue is that the choice itself is symptomatic of a very serious problem the Nets have, a problem not solved by playing SFs at PF, or playing career Centers at PF, or playing journeymen at PF.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Why Be So Upset

Over a no-risk, potential reward signing?

And why be so upset when the regular season is 3 months away? And the trade deadline 7 months away?

Did you really thing any of the remaining FAs were the answer?
Boone?
Amundson?
Who?

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have outlined that I don’t consider it “no risk”. And I have outlined the thematic ways in which I consider it a problem, on a wider scale.

I would prefer Amundson who plays with passion, but honest to god, just trade Twill for Bass and get it over with.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want Bass, now that Nets already have Hump (without giving up anything), with more flexibility to re-sign Hump.

I would consider Carl Landry an upgrade over Hump, but if Nets DID get Landry, then Sean May wouldn’t make team.

And trading TWill for Bass is way too much. Orlando would take back much less.

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they would take much less, let them take much less and let’s get him. He is a scorer from the PF position, can run the floor, is a tough guy, athletic, and if my miracle Favors does well, would be a good soldier and split time.

Landry is not available, I suspect.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I wrong about Bass

The times I’ve seen him he’s looked outstanding, scoring, rebounding, defending ,high energy, muscles, able to play the 4 – but I havent seen him play all that much. can’t he pass?

by PigDaddy3 on Aug 7, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a very good young player. His PER is in the Milsap range, and has not ever gotten big minutes. He was underused last year.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 7, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bass was good when playing under Avery in Dallas.

Orlando doesn’t like Bass, from what they have seen, as they would prefer a “stretch” 4 like Ryan Anderson.

Nets could use a bigger stretch 4 too. (They already have Outlaw as their smaller stretch 4.)
May has a better shooting touch that Bass, when in shape, and is much cheaper.

Pehaps it is Avery who deserves some of the credit for Bass.
Maybe Hump will also do better playing under Avery?

by jerry25 on Aug 7, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd corky

great post

I’m not a fan of fat players but there’s no harm in this.

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Aug 8, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jarron Collins makes sense, if Nets are willing to consider Sean May, then maybe JCollins could be a non-guaranteed invitee to training camp?

At least the Collins Twins play Defense, which Avery should appreciate.

With fear of Lopez being sluggish this year, Nets need to address the backup Center situation too.

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with this signing

Thorn has always wanted May. He’s getting a contract worth peanuts. This is a cipher. Let’s move on…

Nets = Global
Knicks = Local

by BigTom on Aug 6, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

That is true, and now Sean May's salary had dropped or else he might have been picked up by Thorn during the past few years.

Ironically, if he loses some weight, he reminds me a little of a shorter, more experienced, DeMarcus Cousins without fear of attitude problems.

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im on board with what most people have said: I woulda definitely taken Boone and his horrendous free throw game over someone who never plays majority of the season. Non-Guaranteed contract or not

by JimmyLips on Aug 6, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok I am not a big fan of May

this was a decent signing.

We only need a pseudo-PF for 10-15 games the most so Favors can get accustomed to the NBA.

Lets not have a heart attack about this.

NO FIRE KING RANTS!!!!!!! YET!!!!!!!

May is what it is. A non guaranteed contract that NEEDS to PROVE himself to continue his NBA career.

I am ok with this because we didnt have to go out and PAY or TRADE for a rental PF.

As for Boone, I wouldnt have mind resigning him but REALLY, what has Boone really done here? He has no confidence. He cant hit a free throw. He has no offensive game. His defense is suspect. REALLY!!!

Another thing with Boone, Do you see him as an AVERY type of guy. I DONT!!!

by SIC One on Aug 6, 2010 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Has a lot of Derrick Coleman in him

A guy, while talented, has never been a hard worker. If anyone can make him into a solid player, Coach Johnson is the guy. I’ve never been a fan of May, but he has10x the potential DeSagana Diop has. Now he can either succeed marvelously or fall on his face again. We’ll see if he’s up to the challenge.

by KozyWorld973 on Aug 6, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

If Thorn was in charge

he prob wouldve dont the same move. Thorn has wanted May before.

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 6, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

done*

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

May

I dont understand what the big deal is he’s another body making the league minimum…this is a guy whose still a bruiser too, yeah hes overweight but hes hungry after being the top 15 in the 2005 draft and now making the vets minimum, hes got something to prove. Also lets not forget the nets seem to have the opposite effect that the knicks have had on many chump players over the years…Mikki Moore hello he was a rail thin seven footer who kept us alive and kicking in our last playoff appearance against Lebron in the cavs ( I was actually at that game) when the nets fell behind 32 points early….so please people Sean May is no chump and his center of gravity is way lower than Josh Boone so he wont get pushed around at all.

by lezosamis on Aug 6, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Moore had Kidd and Carter

feeding him beautiful passes that year.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sean May = Folding Chair

as a poster pointed out earlier. Relaaaaaaaax

by HabPSU on Aug 6, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Vets minimum for player with five years experience

is $992,680, of which the Nets would have to pay $854,957. The league pays the remainder on vets minimum deals.

Also, it depends on how the deal is structured. Does he get guaranteed if he makes the roster on opening night or does he have to wait til January when all non-guaranteed deals are fully guaranteed.

IF he succeeds and shows he can still play, it would be a very good deal because (at least in the past) all the Nets non-guaranteed deals contained a team option for a second year at the league minimum.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have to start Favors

None of our other PFs are starter quality so there is no push from the bench to take the spot away from Favors.

We need Favors to develop and this will happen sooner working with a first string center, PG and wings. Favors trying to develop next to Petro, Farmar and TWILL is not a good plan. Hump as a stabilizer on the second team makes more sense as well.

Favors is going to be in foul trouble early and likely often – this is reality with a physical athletic rookie facing crafty veterans night in and night out. I do not want his limited minutes wasted on second team scrub minutes. And this also means that Hump and others will still get minutes with the first team.

Favors has to start.

by Jay-dub on Aug 6, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He don’t have to start. It’s a long season.

by strange-brew on Aug 6, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i say just start favors…he was the third pick…if he succeeds awesome…if he doesnt then we’lll move on to a different plan.

"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.

by Andy. on Aug 6, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are talking about Favors isn't going to start the season starts in 3 months

All the fans on this site are acting like the Nets gave him the same contract they gave to Outlaw its a non-garennteed deal if he does good in Traning camp the Nets could keep him if he looks over wieght and lazy the nets decline the contract I still think it was a deal to get a another Power Forward without other teams taking advatage of their situation now teams look at the Nets as having 6 big men going into training camp and not trying to force a deal to the Nets.
He will not start i could bet on that now. The Nets could package Lee and Hump without giving up cap space and at the same time not getting robbed (teams trying to take advantage)because they would only have Favors if May wasn’t giving the deal. If he was going to start he would have got a Gareented contract.

by JJ25 on Aug 6, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not opposed to this signing...

low risk because of the small amount of money and length and flexibility of the deal…

by jirohkanzaki on Aug 6, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Who cares about this signing?

Its irrelevant to the long term plan. May is a placeholder for Favors until hes ready. Best case scenario, hes in good shape gives us good mins while Favors develops. Worst case- his career so far (sitting in a suit at the end of the bench).

Hes costing no money in the grand scheme of things. And I would much rather have May then Boone. We know what Boone is- or isnt. May at least has talent….. (albeit overweight, out of shape and always injured…..)LOL

by O Dog on Aug 6, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is not even for one year

it is non guaranteed…meaning unless he makes the team in training camp, he gets a small amount of money….probably less than $100,000.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Wish $100,000 Was a Small Amount of Money!

I know it’s all relative, but dang.. these athletes and their salaries are so ridiculous, we think 100k is peanuts.

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but take out taxes

Then add your family to your checkbook, add housing, new car, never know if you have an injury can’t play anymore, the money you make now you have to try to keep and manage for the rest of your life, athletes these days are not getting a good education as are non-athletes for that matter lol, but I here you.

by Atronic on Aug 6, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this move. Low risk, could produce moderate returns.

May has been injured and he got pretty fat, but this is probably his last chance. Unlike anyone but Lopez, he has a pretty well developed post game and decent range.

I would have signed Ike Diogu, but he seems to want back in New Orleans. This works for now.

Boone sucks. I think the market has established that. Darko got 20 million, but Boone will get the league minimum. He can board, but he can’t even be counted on to make putbacks, and if he’s hacked, it’s as good as a turnover. I’m glad to see him go, I think he was asleep at the wheel most of the time.

www.twitter.com/robertjamis

by robertjamis on Aug 6, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I don’t really know what people are worked up about. This is a back end of the roster move.

The bottom line is Favors needs to play 20 minutes a night if this team is interested in him as part of the long term plan, so you need guys that are willing to play a role. Keeping that in mind, you’ve got to look for people that can come in and play a role extremely well, and possibly provide some versatility.

May is the perfect guy if he wants it. If he doesn’t, it costs them nothing. Bigs who can pass and shoot like May are hard to come by, and if he steps it up he’ll have some trade value for a contender end of year, and the Nets can get a legitimate return.

www.twitter.com/robertjamis

by robertjamis on Aug 6, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Nets usually bring 20 players to camp

They have 12 players with full guaranteed deals, plus three with non-guaranteed (with some limited salary protection, meaning some cash upfront) in Zoubek, Uzoh and May.

So barring a trade between now and training camp, they still have five camp jobs to offer. In the past, that’s been a combination of undrafted players, vets without contracts and players, both Americans and international players, who have spent time overseas.

If you want to retain between $14 and $15 million in cap space throughout the season, then May is typical of the players you will want in camp: some potential at low risk.

It’s smart management within the context of your strategy.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there any way you can get that thru people head

They should view as it this way
1.) Better position then they were yesterday One more big man going into traing camp(6).
2.) Now they can be more active in trade talks for another Power Forward without getting Robbed because of team trying to take advantage of their situation.
3.) This is a very good coaching staff if he makes the team and gets more the vt min is becasue he deserved it.

by JJ25 on Aug 6, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That only makes sense

If you believe there are no better options for the vet’s min

by imdkidd on Aug 6, 2010 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If we had drafted Cousins...

Sean May would of had an eating buddy. I would just wait at Cluck-U-Chicken if i wanted their autograph.

by Sparklespice on Aug 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Piss Excellence

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/9vLGmMixY3o/TCoGVMUpwnI/AAAAAAAAAwI/2PndN2WG3LQ/s1600/seanmay_fb.jpg

classy guy, welcome to the nets.

"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."

by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

that shirt is awesome

"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."

by MrDollarBills on Aug 8, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

to me the signing is not

 a big deal just an cheap 4 for a team that was very thin.

As I have stated many times before I’m all for throwing Favors to the wolves and let him start. Sink or swim.

by killa kadafi191 on Aug 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Is May Even a PF?

At his size (horizontally) and slowness, isn’t he more a Center?

Can you imagine may trying to guard a stretch PF like Lewis, or a quick PF like Bosh, or pretty much any PF.

I know he has quality footwork and moves offensively, though, can he get his shots off given his physical limitations?

by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 6, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a 3rd stringer

He won’t be facing many league starters. If we ever run into a stretch 3’s Outlaw or James will handle that.
 

by strange-brew on Aug 6, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worse off-season?

Cavs or Nets? Its impossible to tell right now. That Russian made a really big splash.

by gujuknick on Aug 6, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Just as a consultant

Isiah may have been a terrible basketball executive, but he’s always be a great evaluator of talent.That’s as far as the the Knicks will let him go

by R-D on Aug 6, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they say he wouldn't be allowed to coach NCAA if he is a Knicks consultant

http://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN

That means that Isiah would only quit NCAA if he believed that Coach/GM spot was opening!

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

overrated.

In 2005, he took Nate Robinson and David Lee (Nate first I might note).

In 2006, he took Renaldo Balkman over Rajon Rondo (as well as Jordan Farmar).

in 2007, he took Wilson Chandler over Rudy Fernandez and Aaron Brooks.

More importantly, he traded so many picks so far ahead of time that whatever talent he had was wasted.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lee was a near-prime FA this year.
Rondo could have easily been a bust on another team.
Fernandez has been a bust, and Brooks has been a decent mite.

The trades were horrendous, but part of that was the plan set by ownership.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they saw his work with 12 year old Jashaun Agosto.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was worth taking a chance on a month ago

its non guar. contract. If they weren’t going to get Singleton this guy was worth taking a chace on but others didn’t agree with me.

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 6, 2010 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

May is a smarter move than Singleton

he can do more.

Dave D’Alessandro is reporting it’s unlikely he’ll make the team. May not, but then again, that’s why they play the games.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do you like this move then?

Since the face been revealed the game got real

by BL3ACH on Aug 6, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

he can do more.

What more can he do?

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

he can score

Singleton can rebound…and Singleton is older and wants more money.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He COULD score, before his injury. He is a 270 lb microfracture surgery guy.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus he CANNOT stay on the court.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also is a different build no point in having Singleton

When we already have James and Hump, having a big body around is always a good thing plus he can hit the jumper and has a soft touch, Singleton is just energy and rebounds, we have this.

by Atronic on Aug 6, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither of them are the answer. That is clear.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eat.

"This fall -- damn this is tough -- this fall, I'll be taking my talents to Regal Buffet, errrr Newark"

--Sean May

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

November 2008
"Right now I don’t think he’s ready to play at all," coach Larry Brown said Saturday. "I think he’s trying, but I don’t think he’s in the kind of shape to be able to compete on this level and do all the things he’s capable of doing."

"I’ve got to get in better shape. I’ve got to get in better condition," May said. "I haven’t played in so long that, boom, it’s hit me smack dab in the face. I’m picking up some early fouls due to being out of position. My timing is a little off. Now, here in a week we’re getting ready to play, so I’ve got to do a lot of work."

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

A Short, Fat, Demarcus Cousins (makes Demarcus into the model for conditioning).

except Sean would be happy if he can make team and contribute.

We will find out how Nets staff would have handled conditioning for Cousins, or Gallon, had they been picks.

Sean May is a “sleeper move” because it will allow Avery Johnson to “Sleep better at night” until the preseason.

Opposing GMs will now have to come to Nets with proposals, instead of other way around.

By start of season, Avery would have a better idea of just what is needed.

Someone is going to get cut.
 
Sean tweets:
“I appreciate the opportunity the Nets organization is giving me…Ganna be a great year!”
http://twitter.com/BigMay42

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I don’t want to be cruel, he’s fighting his fight. He had SOME talent in college, but from the start he really didn’t have NBA stuff (body type, game). Throw in microfracture surgery and serious self-discipline issues and its not looking good for him. In so many ways this is not the appropriate response to the issues at PF. In my opinion.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's a practice player

do you understand that? He is a practice player. You have conflated the need for another body at the four with this signing and suggested he has been signed to be that body.

He is signing a non guaranteed deal. If he plays well in training camp and preseason, he will cost the Nets $854,000, period. If he doesn’t, he MIGHT cost them a few thousand.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And do you understand that PRACTICE players have a role as well?

Who do you want Favors practicing against? Who?

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was 303 then

he had a weight clause in his Kings contract, which required him to stay below 265 (five pounds below his college weight). He kept to it.

But really who cares? I hope there are hundreds of posts on each of the training camp invitations.

We can talk about Qyntel Woods and dog-fighting, for example.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Nets keep inviting losing players to their camps, there should be 100s of posts.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

your opinion

nothing more. not based on anything.

by Net Income on Aug 6, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is not my opinion that May has had a self-discipline problem.

But even if it was my opinion, it is no worse than you opinion. In fact your opinion seems to be that nothing much matters, which isn’t much of an opinion.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did you post this post, if you didn't want opinions or discussion?

Hey everyone, Sean May was just signed, but be sure not to post anything below this, it doesn’t matter one wit.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stromile Swift indicated this summer that he would like to make a come back to the NBA. Let’s see what he’s got!

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was be just as ridiculous a signing.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta be honest KV. I’m usually on your side, but are you really complaining about the Nets signing a no-risk high-reward player as an extra body? Really?

"This fall -- damn this is tough -- this fall, I'll be taking my talents to Regal Buffet, errrr Newark"

--Sean May

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am. My complaints were in passing, to the level of the importance, not a big deal.

But there is another level at which this bothers me. Power Forward is the crying need for this team, this year. The CRYING NEED. Not just for how well lour season goes, but primarily to PROTECT the one hope for this team, Favors.

Favors is the baby boy here. He is going to be playing in a huge media market, he is dramatically underskilled when compared with the expectations fans have for him, and, in my opinion, he needs to be brought along slowly. And part of “slowly” involves not having him on the court at all.

Related to this is that EVERYONE you bring around him, including practice players, are going to have an influence on him. He is a young, young dude. I really don’t want Sean May around him. I don’t want him practicing against him. And I certainly don’t want him making the team and playing against him all year. He may be a nice enough guy, but he is not the KIND of player I want Favors measuring himself against.

Now if May doesn’t make the team, no big deal, but given that the HUGE need this team has has been thus far ignored, given that Favors, thus far is going to be exposed to some pressures he should not have, the Sean May signing sticks out symbolically as a sore thumb.

Sean May remains the ONE move the team has made at PF thus far. No matter how insignificant it is, the impression remains that the team has utterly failed in a very important part of their construction of the team.

Now, if they trade for a PF tomorrow, much is forgiven and all is explained. But that trade is not on the horizon. I can only react within the context of what is, and the team has thus far been flat out stupid as far as the PF position goes.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really think Favors is that delicate of a flower? That can’t be good for the future of the franchise.

"This fall -- damn this is tough -- this fall, I'll be taking my talents to Regal Buffet, errrr Newark"

--Sean May

by NBRITM on Aug 6, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I don’t think that Favors has a very good chance to be a superstar. But that doesn’t mean that we should not make EVERY attempt to try to make him one. He is one of the few players on the roster who could even scrape Championship level in terms of potential.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't

think the front office’s intentions are to surround Favors with bad influences. Calm down man. Go Nets!

by Ely Younger on Aug 6, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether their intentions are this or not, one can only judge what they decide. Is bringing a chronic over-eater to compete against a great idea? I say no. Its not a HUGE big deal. But Favors future IS a huge big deal, and the type of player the Nets hope can play PF minutes is a pretty big deal.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

KV, gotta agree about Bass

wold be happier if we had bass now instead of may

by PigDaddy3 on Aug 7, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just posted a little fan post with reference to an article which seems that he still is not fitting in with the Magic.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 7, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here is what you should do with this

1) Make fanshot
2) ???
3) Profit! (Recs)

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 6, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if anyone said this yet, and its off topic but Isiah Thomas rejoins Knicks

UNBELIEVABLE. He is a “team consultant.”

Consequences will never be the same.

by NetsMets4Life on Aug 6, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Was mentioned earlier. Word is that he wouldn't be able to coach in NCAA.

That means he getting ready to be GM (or replace D’Antoni).

That must make D’Antoni feel good.

Great move for Knicks haters.

by jerry25 on Aug 6, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get it!

“big baby” is the new lingo for “fat guy”

by Malorkayel on Aug 6, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

My opinion

From watching how boone played during the 09-10 season and from a YouTube video I seen about Sean May, I like May better than Boone!

by Angel Oquendo on Aug 6, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Boone is not fit anymore

 I would have MAY play even though he has some weight problem . Boone’s problem is his focus and it could be a heart problem or plain psychological. Base on this I would rather deal with a person having weight problem than Boone’s problem, That is unsolvable. May plays good B in college and if he continue to work hard with the right players chemistry it will flourish. Boon was given three years to prove himself, I think that is enough time, At least Sean have more good games than Boone. With the NETS conditioning coach I think May have a good chance.

by JuliusIrving on Aug 6, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

if may wasn't fat and lazy

and permanently injured because of it he’d be awesome. He would put together strings of awesome months, like 17-10 type months, and then get injured in his first few years in Charlotte. That being said I’m all for this.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 6, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

microfracture surgery Gina. A waste.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 6, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

you complain (through out the whole blog) about a no risk move? C’mon KV, your just debating to debate. And trade T-Will for BAss? something tells me the front office would keep you around for laughs when making decisions about our players

by nwkiddnj on Aug 7, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

eh he had good stretches after that too

his biggest problem has been his inability to stay in shape. But after 4 years of the same thing I doubt it’s going to change.

mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon

by Gina on Aug 7, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

KV would critique a kindergärtner on his finger painting.

by Chris2 on Aug 7, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

If he was brought in to help the Nets, sure.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Aug 7, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dave D. doesn't seem to think that Sean has much of a chance to make team.

However, Sean seems to believe he will get in shape and be able to prove himself.

Since I now believe that Nets will wait until after start of season for any serious trade for a PF, then Sean May SHOULD make team, as there IS a PF slot available. Sean should only be better than he was last year (when he played some backup Center too). If he can return to the healthy part of 06-07, he should be an asset.

I can’t see why Sean Doesn’t make team, barring injury or failure to get under 265 (which he did last year to honor his contract).

Sean should make team. However, at some point before trade deadline, someone is going to have to be cut, to keep roster at 15.

If there was a cut/buyout, what would the $ amount that would count towards salary cap for:
 May, Uzoh/Zoubeck, Ross (since NBA is paying some of their salary?)

by jerry25 on Aug 7, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone know the status of Jarron Collins free agency?

If Nets could get same arrangement of non-guaranteed deal with JCollins, he might be worth an invite too.
He may provide an alternative to Zoubec, who probably has limited upside (especially on Defense).

Nets appear to be going the “cheap” route for the time being, until they can evaluate their team.

Although I still believe the Nets will have to use most of their cap space for 2010 to eventually get a playoff contender, they may delay that decision until the whole picture is clearer.

The concern is that by the time Nets decide to make use of their capspace, they may be out of playoff contention.
On the other hand there is a chance for pleasant surprises from players like Favors, May, DJames, TWill and Petro – in which case Nets could still be contending without making a serious addition.

by jerry25 on Aug 7, 2010 7:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Why does Sam Amick write that May and Humphries are undersized Power Forwards?

May is over 6’8" in shoes, as his Hump, and both are Mooses. May briefly was the starting Center for Kings at the beginning of last season.

Here are May’s 2005 Combine stats:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sean-May-11/
His jumping was adequate for his weight. I wonder if anyone knows his present leaping ability almost 3 years post micro fracture surgery?
May is now 26 years old, not 25 as some reported.

Also, I don’t think May is competing directly with Hump for a place on team. May would be competing with Hump for PT if he made team, but there really isn’t any player (yet) that May is competing with (except with himself).

(May would be 15th player counting Zoubek and Uzoh).

by jerry25 on Aug 7, 2010 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

May=Not Serious about Competing this Year

The guy is a statue ferchrissake. Couldn’t get much time with the Kings, and when he did, they were even more terrible. And this was in his best year as a pro. Sure, if he is not going to make the team, who cares, but if this is the PF signing of the off-season, it signals that we are OK with stinking this season and not serious about attracting high quality resources around Favors for his development.

Tolliver just signed with the TWolves, and he could have helped us a lot more than May, so we were out-manuvered by Kahn. What does that say? We can’t attract Khryapa? We are actually debating the merits of Josh freakin’ Boone! We ditch Yi for nothing so we can pick up this scrub May? I could go on and on, but you get the point. We’ve seen it before. It’s going to be a loooooooooooong year.

by jabez on Aug 7, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

They are just buying time with May, so they don't have to make any more moves until after start of season.

However, once they see how mediocre or Bad the team is, they will have to Dip into their cap space, in order to keep the promise of Playoffs.

At that time 1 or 2 players will have to be cut. No one answered my question as whether the full salaries of May, Ross, or Zoubec/Uzoh would count to capspace, if cut after the start of season?

I still say the Nets will need more help at Center, but we won’t know how much help until the season begins. Will Lopez be 100%?

by jerry25 on Aug 7, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone yet.....

created a Nick-Name for Sean May ????………….Uhh….May-onaisse’…..Sounds french…Petro would like that…….

by NetFan48 on Aug 7, 2010 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Also french fries are usually served with mayonnaise in France.

by aunt-B on Aug 7, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twolves Just Signed Anthony Tolliver to a 2 year deal???

Why couldn’t we have gotten him??? Stretch 4 who rebounds….duh
Would be healthy able to start and athletic. And by the look of this a lil fun too!

2 years 4.8 mil (CHEAP TOO)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvL5KRoXC00&feature=player_embedded

The JETS/NETS are coming!

by MrBDown on Aug 7, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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