Lopez Drops Out of Team USA
by Net Income on Aug 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
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PrintBrook Lopez, struggling to recover from a bout with mono, has withdrawn from the U.S. national team and will be replaced by Washington's Javale McGee, reports AP.
Lopez informed USA Basketball officials Wednesday that he didn't believe he was in good enough condition to take part in training camp next week in New York.
He played poorly during practices in Las Vegas last month and USA Basketball chairman Jerry Colangelo said he would have to perform well next week to have a chance to make the final roster. Lopez was diagnosed with mono after the regular season and lost more than 25 pounds. He regained the weight during a lengthy recovery but not the stamina.
- Brook Lopez withdraws from the U.S. national team - AP
- Mono forces Nets' Lopez to skip World Championships - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Nets' Brook Lopez Withdraws From U.S. World Team - Reuters
- McGee replaces Lopez as US still short on big men - Agence France Presse
- NETS: Billy King Statement on Brook Lopez Withdrawal from USAB - New Jersey Nets
- Brook Lopez Out, JaVale McGee In For USA Training In New York - USA Basketball
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Wow!
Happy he’s bowed out but disappointed for him too. Hope he’s going to be OK for October and this doesn’t linger through the Fall..
Hope he is good for our season...
I hope he is well enough for our season
Not a bad thing.
He needs to recover. We need a monster year out of him if we want to make the playoffs, among other things.
Consequences will never be the same.
+1
I agree He has to no excuses have a great year this season im expecting 20-23 ppg i know it could be alot for a center like him but hes our number 1 option so he has to do great this season, hes in his 3rd season in the nba so lets see if he can average 20 ppg
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 4, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good news - we need Brook to get healthy
Need him to be 100% for training camp
he will have plenty of time to be the starting C on TEAM USA
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Brook is showing good sense with this withdrawal.
His health and (secondly) his commitment to the Nets should be his priorities. Pushing himself to be on team USA could have led to a relapse of mono as the virus stays in one’s system permanently and it evidently is not yet in full remission. Rest up, Brook. Hopefully you’ll be ready to play this fall.
Quitting mentality
I’m not a fan of this news.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
half the top talent in the NBA didn't play for this team
I’m guessing they quit too?
Yes, of they agreed to join
And then quit, I would call them quitters too. And so would you if it was a player you didn’t care about.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently you know nothing about his medical condition. and have never had a severe case yourself of you think the issue is quitting.
Fortunately he has better sense and isn’t following the advice of someone with your mentality.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
have you ever had mono before?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope and he doesn't either
It was months ago. I would’ve preferred he gave it everything he has and was then cut.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you have no CLUE about mono and what it does to your body, and how long it stays in your system
and that’s obvious from your comments.
You might wanna refrain from even commenting on this any further if you don’t have any idea what Brook’s body has gone through. Do you even understand the amount of weight he lost?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Does he?
Why agree to play if he’s unable to function?
Give it all you have, and if you get cut you get cut.
You might refrain from posting if you don’t know what that mentality is all about.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have no idea what you are talking about
I had mono when I was in 9th grade.
I lost 28 pounds
I was out of school for a month and a half
I had zero strength, could barely get out of bed…
Get off his back man
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
yes, lets talk about “mentality”, since you’ve clearly inserted your foot into your mouth in regards to this whole mono issue.
I’d love to see you have mono and then attempt to do what Lopez did. Please, spare me with this bro you’re off base and you know it.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He made a valid point:
Why did he agree if he had such a debillitating case of Mono?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Aug 4, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
because he wanted to try
so not only is he being bashed for dropping out due to health reasons, now he’s getting bashed for even trying out in the first place
He was already invited prior to being stricken with mono. He obviously wanted to see if he could go. He realized that he couldn’t, and like a mature adult, he stepped down before doing further harm to his health.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Now let's bash him for not being patriotic!
It’s obvious that trying out for this team was just a ploy to try to get America to fail in the olympics because of his mono. He hates America.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Aug 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I had mono my senior year in high school
For me I guess it wasn’t as severe. I remember tiring during wrestling matches in the third period and my weight going down when I wasn’t cutting weight. I recovered fairly quickly, by track season my weight and strength were up. I’m hoping Brook will be back to 100 percent by preseason.
I also think it is a good step to take time away to regain strength.
side effects from mono linger
My niece at 16 contracted mono. Her white blood cell count was all messed up and she was in a weakened state for almost 6 months.
This is probably the best thing for Brook he knows better than anyone how he feels. It’s a long season ahead and we don’t want to start it off like last year with all the injuries.
I’m all for prudence over pushing it when it’s not necessary. BUT, i do like that Dustin Pedroia mentality (and I’m not a red sox fan). Where the guy is taking grounders on his knees, because he can’t stand, cause he’s so itching to play.
There's a BIG difference in taking Grounders while you are recovering from your surgery
and Running back and forth trying to play Baketball Games while you are still recovering from Mono…
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
it is a couple months ago but it takes a while to get back in playing shape.
Mono is a serious one hope you won’t get it. Kudos to Brook for pulling out early and did not wait until the training camp is over.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have no idea what you are talking about
I had mono this past March and I only started getting my stamina back recently to lift and play bball. Don’t make idiotic statements when you have no idea what you are talking about.
by TheMo on Aug 4, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree somewhat.
I don’t like this at all. If this isn’t a mentality issue, then Brook must be seriously limited physically. If hes just out of shape wouldn’t it make sense to get back in shape by working out and where better to do so than with USA basketball. At the worst this is indicative of a negative “quitting mentality” (i.e., hes out of shape and doesn’t think he can make the team so why bother), but at best Brook isn’t right. Either way this is bad news for the Nets.
This doesn't prove anything BUT the fact that...
…he was physically incapable of performing at a high level, which was CLEARLY obvious during the the scrimmage and through the reports of him being sluggish and struggling through the practices.
You guys are grasping at straws.
This is great news for the Nets because he now gets to sit his tail at home and rest up before beginning the Nets training camp, which is far more important
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a history of seeing through rose colored lenses
No knock on you, but please stop attacking other’s opinions as blasphemy simply because they differ from your viewpoint.
Unconstructive bs generally poor form.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only "BS" here is the idea that you cannot accept when your opinions are WRONG.....
…and don’t try to misconstrue what I’ve said towards you in this thread as some kind of personal attack, but an attack on your opinion on this matter, which I find to be awful. If you have a problem with me challenging your opinions, or find it to be unconstructive, then simply don’t post them. The general consensus agrees that you guys had absolutely no clue as to what you’re talking about and called you on it…there is nothing unconstructive about that. Maybe you need to admit when you’re wrong. THAT would be constructive, a bit of humility. I’ve never had a problem admitting when I’m wrong on here, I don’t see what’s so hard about that.
And I am far from the one to look through rose colored glasses. Just because I have a positive opinion about the current direction of the team does not mean I’m not objective or homering. You have people here predicting playoffs and a 40 win season while I don’t see it yet….you might want to talk to them about rose colored glasses.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Elonepb
please do some research on Mono and get back to us. My brother had this and basically couldn’t play football all season because he couldn’t get his weight up. Even when it was over, he was tired a lot.
“unconstructive b.s. and poor form”
Now what you’ve said right here, is poor form.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
As a matter of fact, the virus is permanent,,,Your immune system needs to drive it into remission and you need rest for that to happen. Otherwise, you are vulnerable to other illnesses on top of the mono. Mono weakens your immune system...
not a good condition to be in for high level international competition.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe....
Brook has had Mono for a couple of years……So I must say that I am sorry for ever saying that he was slow……Ya know …it’s very possible that the Mono has caused him to perform poorly for the USA try outs but I feel that he chose to quit before he was cut……And I’m not gonna say that’s a bad move…..He’ll be better prepared after a year with Avery…..
Look at this way elonepb so disrespect to america i love USA but would you rather have your best player play for USA for gms that dont matter or NBA gms which matter alot
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 4, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
have you ever had mono, and then tried to play basketball against high level talent?
This isn’t a hangnail for god’s sake.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yes I've had mono and then played in the NBA
or was that a rhetorical question?
I’m all for putting a smiley face on everything, but I’d rather see a player that gets pulled off then to pull himself off. Old school grit.
Plus it’s practice man… practice.
The kid is not in any condition to PLAY
what part of this don’t you understand?
And I don’t understand Nets fans wanting to see this kid possibly make himself worse healthwise by trying to “man up”. You do want to see him be in perfect health come opening night, right? Un-frickin-believable.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
did you not see him during the scrimmage?
Or was that Brook Lopez at 100% to you?
Also
Lopez informed USA Basketball officials Wednesday that he didn’t believe he was in good enough condition to take part in training camp next week in New York.
What part of this do you need me to define for you?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve had mono and it sucks. No way you have the energy to play ball even several months later. It takes a while to get the stamina back. So unless you’ve had it before stop being an idiot and posting about how he needs to man up.
you need to man up to the fact that you are WRONG.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously kiemurphy would not be saying that Lopez needs to man up, if Lopez was in the regular habit of “manning up”.
Some Net fans though like to make excuses for all their players, no matter what the circumstances. Silverliningides, it takes years to recover from this.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's MONO. Not a cold or the flu. MONO.
you can’t be serious.
I really thought that the Nets had better fans than this.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If you were a professional athlete, your experience would be releant
But you are not.
So it’s not.
He agreed. He then quit.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you sound so ignorant its not even funny
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
TheMo gave me permission
He said that I could keep posting “he needs to man up” only if I’ve never had a case of mono before. But since i’ve had it, i’m untouchable!
Untouchable
Kie “Murphy”, before I call charles Bronson , Mono is worst than JasonCollins Disease, so please let Brooks rest and hopefully he recovers in time for NETS season or we need to recall Frank again cause he is the only who can handle “Jason collins disease.”
No, He tried and realized he couldn't do it.
Discretion is the better part of valor. I am not a pro athlete but I was a very good college player (conference all-star) and had to take a semester off because of mono. I was bed ridden for months. No amount of courage would have changed the condition of my blood and liver. Rest is the prescription for mono.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you have a quitters mentality
you should have manned up. why bother even accepting a spot on your college team if you couldn’t play
Your blood and liver be damned, you should have toughed it out.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My liver was danmed actually.
It remained enlarged for years after my bout with mono. That’s how serious this condition can be.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry to hear that
and smh @ the folks who are in here acting like mono is lightweight stuff. unbelievable.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me put it this way. I have never been so sick and never taken so long to recover from an illness.
Brook lost 25 lbs. That’s all I need to know about the severity of his bout. He is lucky this happened in the off season and now he needs to take advantage of it and recover fully. He has already pushed himself enough trying to honor his commitment to team USA.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He has the best doctors in the world.
He was most likely diagnosed early and just needs to get back to 100 percent. Let’s not make mono out to be catastrophic, he’ll be up and running soon.
I guess that....
Zoubeck will be our starting center when the season starts……
Doctors have little to do with treating mono.
Their main role is to diagnose it and test you periodically to see whether your blood counts are improving. Rest is the cure. Taking it slow in getting back into shape is the way to avoid relapse.
Thank God, Brook
Great decision.
2012 baby
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Best nets news all week!
Phew. He didn’t get cut-so it’s groovy mentally!
And he now can heal safely and correctly from something, that if not treated approriately, will ruin his and our season. Groovy physically!
by Jron on Aug 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seems like his body needs more time
And playing on this squad might actually be detrimental to his recovery, so it’s a smart move. That mono must have just knocked him back to square one as far as his conditioning. Will take time to get back to where he was and it can’t be rushed.
finally, someone with a clue
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree....
I’m sad he’s not going to be playing on the 15th, especially since I just purchased my tickets yesterday, but glad he’s taking care of himself and getting back into shape. I hope he has a speedy recovery and gets the rest his body needs.
If it's a smart move
Why not be smart at the beginning of this?
Tough players give it all, even in futility.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tough players wear themselves out in the off-season because they push too hard when they should be prudent only to let their real team (the company that pays him) down because they can’t perform during the season as a result of going against all advice?
So is there a distinction bewteen smart and tough? Can a smart player be tough? Can a tough player be smart?
Impossible
At least if you listen to the brainiac duo that has inhabited this thread.
Kobe Bryant.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Who? Isn’t he out of basketball?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
correct.
WHO IS THE DIRTIEST PLAYER IN THE NBA? 2010
Reggie Evans, Raptors F 21%
Ron Artest, Lakers F 13%
Andres Nocioni, Kings F 6%
Anderson Varejao, Cavs C 5%
Kobe Bryant, Lakers G 4%
FAST FACTS
Only Varejao (85th, 5.2 fouls) and Nocioni (89th, 5.1) are among the top 100 in fouls per 48 minutes. Evans has been injured and doesn’t have enough playing time to qualify…. Three of the top six vote-getters, including Hawks center Zaza Pachulia (4%), have played internationally…. The NBA’s leading fouler, Wizards forward-center Fabricio Oberto (9.1 per 48 minutes), received zero votes.
Based on a survey of 173 NBA players
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Artest is a kind of an idiot-savant when it comes to defense, just as Rodman was.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish Lopez had 1/10th of Artest’s toughness.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, this was the worst thing to happen in the NBA
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 4, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The kermit washington play? But we are getting out of the league of “dirty plays”. its just pure vengence. McHale had the entire breakaway rule put in.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Kermit killed Rudy.
That’s how bad it looked.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 4, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not the players but JVG
Twice got involved in the fight. Nobody will beat that . Twice he went down the floor. JVG
Amazing.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 4, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like he DID give it his all during all the practices last month before it became apparent that he would not be able to perform.
So now you just want to act silly
cool. Have fun man, but it’s hilarious to see someone telling someone recovering from mono to man up when they’re carrying on in this manner because everyone has told them that they are dead wrong in their opinion.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
So get cut
You are playing for personal pride as well as thy of your country’s.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he's not playing for your personal pride
and I doubt you’d even want to drag yourself to work, nevermind a basketball tryout, if you were still recovering from that stuff.
the dishonesty and ignorance being displayed here is shameful
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is mono we are talking about here.
Very serious.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 4, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
really?
some folks make it sound like it was a simple head cold and runny nose.
The nerve of Brook. He should have went out there dropped dead, or set himself back to the point where he wouldn’t have been 100% come training camp, just to prove how much hair he has on his chest for two armchair QB’s
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand wanted to see a never say die, play until he’s cut attitude, but come on…he put himself through some ridiculously tough practices against some of the best players in the world while still being weak from mono. Doesn’t he get any credit for that?
As a Nets fan, his health is more important than anything else during the offseason. Do you REALLY care that much about the FIBA World Championships? If this happens during the season or the playoffs, you’d have more of a point, but this is the offseason. He didn’t get to the NBA by being soft and I trust him to know his limits
He did give it his all
He tried to play through and realized he was doing himself more harm than good. To say he didn’t give it his all is ridiculous.
Was he only supposed to pull out once he hurt himself or relapsed?
Yup that's all I'm saying
If this story was about how people told Brooke he should consider dropping out, and he said “that’s not my style. I’m playing for my country and the Nets and I’m not going to stop until someone says I can’t play anymore.”
Everyone in here would be rejoicing at his attitude, his grit, and people would be saying “hell yeah!! Love Brook!”
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yep yep
We would all prefer the never say die attitude, where the doctors are like “it’s in your best interest for you not to play” as opposed to him not feeling up to it.
It’s understood mono is draining, and why he’s pulling out… just would like to see the old dog grit cause there are so many ancillary benefits to a player having that attitude.
Fair enough
But personally, I think he displayed more than enough grit just by putting himself through those practices and I’d much rather see him get healthy than push himself way beyond his personally limits. If he could play, I’m sure he would.
yet....
…you had people, including myself, saying that they’d prefer Brook not to play so that he can rest up.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are you?
Seriously. Your opinion carries as much weight as mine. Zero.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The weight an opinion carries is based on the facts, reasoning and insight behind it not who holds it.
Not all opinions are of equal weight even if we as posters have equal rights to hold and offer our respective opinions,.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and I might add, experience....in this case, experience of this potentially serious illness
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
oh and the weight of an opinion is also dependent on the ability of others to recognize it merits.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you are obviously proud of yourself
So that counts for something.
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Glad you realize that your opinion is absolutely worthless
who are you, anyway?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yea fans across the league would say hellz yea..go brook!
but not wit Mono.
He probably could have done that… went hard and gave 200% out of the 70% he had. But reality checks in…soon after the worlds there is a 82 game season to play. Which you are entiltled to play since your million dollar contract says so.
So would you rather him sit out the season b/c he says he’s beat down….or have him quit team usa, something players do as an extra load, to regain health and form for the season
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
So you're mad at Brook's
lack of a publicist? Your upset their wasnt’ a dramatic story? None of the story’s go into much of the detail. Go rent Brian’s Song.
Well he did
He give his all but his body is just not in 100% condition to play basketball yet unlike some healthy players out there that withdraw their names for some other reasons not like Brook’s.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 4, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is ridiculous
Brook gave his best effort and still had a lot to prove, realized that he still was not strong enough to win a position on team USA and changed the path of the offseason to get ready for camp. If you are an NBA player and feel that something will take away from being ready for the season you have to set priorities, it is worse when you aren’t assured a spot on the team.
Wow... Can We Dissown a Net FAN?
This guy really wants to beat the MONO stricken horse here. Guess he would rather Brook be carried off the court or break a bone somewhere vital because his muscles weren’t strong enough. It woud be different if he was playing basketba with say….. YOU. But he was out there with possibly 20 of the top 100 basketball Players on the PLANET.
So yeah he needs to sit out. IMO He STILL looks really small to me. Like skinny. Definantly NOT back in Lopez form. And I doubt a bunch of practices setting screens and becoming the dunking dummy(trying to block dunks by every other member of team usa because that would be the case) would have helped his recovery.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
he gave it his best shot
and his body wasn’t ready. this isn’t even news. it’s not positive or negative- it’s nothing
imagine something extremely witty here
WOW!!!
Just think about how all of you would be bashing Brook during the regular season if he had to sit out because he didn’t feel well because he had a relapse of mono. The guy’s doing the right thing. He made the team, great job. He then went back and re-evaluated was he doing the right thing not only for himself, Team USA, and the Nets. He was an adult and said I really cannot give you what you need. He tried. I’d rather have him try and back out graciously, then keep trying and get hurt. Let him stay home, keep working on his conditioning and strength, so he’s ready to go during the season. I’d hate to have him get hurt while practicing with Team USA because of lack of stamina, conditioning or strength.
key word "adult"
According to these two experts though, trying to tough it out while your body can’t go at the speed needed for the game, and putting your health in danger as well as setting back the team that is employing you, is a sign of absolute stupidity manliness.
So sorry that Brook isn’t manly enough for you guys.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
it's actually
some of the most absurd posting i’ve seen in a minute
imagine something extremely witty here
I am discouraged by many of the posts on here.
Isn’t anyone at all patriotic? Shouldn’t we want the US to win at least as much as we want the Nets to win?
For what it’s worth, I think Brook did the right thing. He tried and realized it wasn’t feasible.
But I can’t stand how hunky-dory some people are with the terrible lineup the US is left with.
Obviously, this post isn’t aimed at the international posters…
No, but it is still international competition
And it’s the world championships, so it’s more than just the Americas Championship.
um...no one said that the US line up is great
but we’re concerned about the health and safety of our team’s player. That’s the topic here. I’ve already said in previous discussions that Team USA will probably not finish 1st in this tournament.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Sayings like "Best Nets News all week" and seeming happiness at the weak lineup (see first comment) are discouraging.
I mean, shouldn’t we want to win the world championship?
The Nets are a random corporation we all choose to cheer… Let’s be honest. International competition is different.
personally
there’s no comparison for between the NBA season and the world championships, or even the olypmics (i liked it much better when our college players played in the olympics). i’m a nets fan. could care less if turkey won the world championships….
imagine something extremely witty here
I mean, the guy we root for now, we rooted against last year because he was on the other team, and next year we’ll go back to rooting against him.
It’s fun to root, but it’s not like one team is all that different from another when you step back and put the passions away… There is a real concrete difference in rooting for Turkey, or the US, or Iran. And national identity is more substantial than a team identity… esp in today’s NBA, esp. with the Nets (longest tenured player 2 1/2 years I believe—- and everyone seems to want to trade him).
Honestly The TEAM isn't "WEAK"
And a sick Brook Lopez doesn’t make them better. Did you watch the scrimmage? Looked like Brook wasn’t even there. He didn’t get the ball in post or 15 feet out for OPEN J.
Team usa needs shotblocking, rebounding, defending, pick setting centers. They didn’t run offense through Dwight Howard and weren’t counting on running it through Brook. The other Teams who would have been a threat are also without thier star players.
I am pretty sure Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Chauncey Billups, Steph Curry, Rudy Gaye, Danny Granger, Lamar Odom, Tyson Chandlar and Javake Mcghee will be fine. No one will be able to compete with thier athletisism. And that joke of 3pt line makes everyone on the roster capable of knocking down a 3 including Chandlar and Mcgee.
TEAM USA isnt suffering dude. This is a NETS blog. Our primary concern is our guys and thier health and well being both on and off the court.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Javake> Javale
Hate typing n the dark without my Mac and the lit keyboard………….
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I always root for Team USA
but heck I don’t care if it’s Brook Lopez, Kevin Durant, or Rajon Rondo, if a player is not well I wouldn’t want to see him out there doing further damage to his body.
No one here is thinking about the weak line up, we’re thinking about Brook.
What does Lopez doing what’s best for himself(and subsequently, the team that pays him millions) have to do with not wanting to win the world’s championships?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And Brook Lopez playing at 50%
as a result of this illness is good for USA Basketball? He did the patriotic thing. He fell on his sword and walked away for the betterment of the team.
we're quite weak up front.
Our non-bigs are fine.
Look man....
Kevin Durant is 6’11…. 6’11 Dude Much like Lebron did. He will see time at the 4. The will pay small alot nd simply run other teams off the floor. Who cares what the front court looks like as long as we win by 20… Keep it moving dude…lol.
Chandlar and Mcgee are good shot blockers. Actuay better than Brook in that regaurd and better rebounders as well. So Team USA will rebound by committee and shoot 35 – 40% from 3 and play a trapping stiffling defense. GAME SET MATCH. Thanks for coming.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
daym
was looking forward to finally see some action of the Nets best player…
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
I am a Doctor.
eLoan is wrong.
$Bills is correct.
Dispute over.
He made a mature decision to sit out and recover fully prior to the season. We should all consider ourselves lucky if he’s 100% and had time to get fully conditioned by the opener. Fatigue from Mono can last for as long as 3 months, thus it would be unlikely that BLo would have had the opportunity to condition properly.
In fact, if he had pushed himself and played to get cut, he would have also risked an increase chance of injury due to poor conditioning.
Yeah I mean this dude is an Athlete that is worth Millions of dollars
He not just going to the park or the Y on the weekends to play ball he is a professional, has to take care of himself, don’t see why Nets fans would be mad that he is being responsible and making a mature and smart decision.
I'm a rocket scientist and Nobel prize winner
And you are wrong.
And I am right.
See how this works?
by eLonepb on Aug 4, 2010 4:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
eLone, I don't care whether NJNM is a doctor,
he has his facts straight concerning mono and you do not. Your argument holds no water. In fact, it is not an argument at all. It is a rigid attitude. Your idea about someone else’s manliness. I am sure my 91 year old dad wouldn’t cut muster with you either because he actually missed a several months of action in WWII due to injuries. He agrees with me about BLo,
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly... its irrelevant.
You don’t need to be a Doc to use the internet- or your brain for that matter.
Try The Google: https://health.google.com/health/ref/Mononucleosis
There.
See how this works?
The problem isn’t the facts of mono, its that “BLo” regularly loses focus, and does not seem like a committed basketball player of the highest echelon. He is not a foxhole guy. That THIS time he has the excuse/explanation of a disease is perhaps fortunate. But there are many other times this is not the case. There simply are players in the league where you would never say “Come on, man up!” to. And he really isn’t one of them. .
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He's 22 years old and
played in EVERY SINGLE GAME his first two years in the league. He’s still growing and maturing so don’t throw him under a bus quite yet.
Using this illness as a reason to support your particular agenda is pretty lame. But I realize that posts like this are just a game to get under people’s skin.
by Netted on Aug 4, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not using his illness. I’m explaining why people are making certain comments, including perhaps why the Headline of this post was phrased the way it was.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No I actually think it’s a very inquisitive point made by KV. And I agree. If we heard this same scenario with a player like Kobe or Bill Russell our first reaction wouldn’t be to say ‘man up’ it would be "wow, he must have it really bad.’
So now we are putting stock in moronic ideas about mono?
This is the same kind of thinking people use when discussing Obama’s citizenhip, greenhouse gases and evolution… “Well if that many people are questioning it, then there is probably something to it.”
I see it. Brook Lopez is the Obama of the NBA, and some people (mostly non-Net fans) are just plain after him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The correlation is
the line of thinking that if enough people question something, then there must be something to it, regardless if whether the questions came from moronic ideas to begin with.
I guess you saw the correlation to greenhouse gasses and theory of evolution so that’s good enough.
The difference is everyone already agrees that Lopez has a problem with focus and intensity. Everyone, except the most blind Net fans.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree he does have those problems
But think it has nothing to do with this news, you don’t try join the olympic team overcoming mono, all the things you have to do with them. We also don’t know if the team had any input in this would be surprised if they didn’t.
I agree.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
this
No one is claiming Brook is perfect, but the reaction to him dropping out by some is shameful
Only in Nets land do we have people calling someone soft for dropping out of international competition due to mono, of all things.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I thonk he played on a lousy team that had no head coach and got frustrated some of the time....maybe exasperated
is more like it. Will know more about his focus under Avery.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who has a problem with the use of Lopez’s hip-hop name…BLo???
On several levels really.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am not commenting on his mental state or attitude.
We’ll see if he’s a winner or loser, committed or unfocused during the season.
My guess would be that this decision wasn’t made by Lopez without significant input from team staff- so I wouldn’t start trying to guess what this means about Lopez.
You’re right- no mas BLo.
Let’s just call him Bropez…okay, maybe not.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You got a point, Lopez kinda plays like Barbie. Blo it is.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
T Will?
We are talking about barbies here.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 4, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn;t know Barbie was a future all-star center...Would like to see the footage.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah.
There are some real dumb things being said in this thread.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You must have Lopez confused with Yi
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That nickname is horrible...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 4, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a doctor, but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and I say
Get your rest for the REAL season!
Everyone needs to relax here.
This is both good and bad. Bad because he will miss out on an opportunity to play for what I think will be a winning team, and get some other outside experience. Good because he will hopefully take it easy and recoop for the season.
On mono...
according to a medical website——one of the risks of returning to high levels of activity too soon is a ruptured spleen. Also concerning Epstein Barr virus associated with it (usually) "reactivation or chronic subclinical viral activity in susceptible hosts may trigger multiple host autoimmune diseases, such as systemic lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, Sjogren’s syndrome, antiphospholipid antibody syndrome, and multiple sclerosis. Such chronic immunologic stimulation may also trigger multiple type of cancers, particularly lymphoma—strongest cancer associations with EBV are nasopharyngeal carcinomas, Burkitt’s lymphoma, and Hodgkin’s lymphoma. EBV’s potential to trigger such a wide range of autoimmune diseases and cancers probably relates to its primary infection of B lymphocytes (the primary antibody-producing cell of the immune system) and ability to alter both lymphocyte proliferation and lymphocyte antibody production.363738 I really think Brook should man up and ignore all this,
Oh great...
I can see this illness screwing up a promising career. That’s just the type of thing that happens when you are a Nets fan.
I still feel bad for Todd MacCulloch. He got a raw deal with that illness he got.
I think this is great news actually. This time everytime the Nets loose this year, Net fans can say to themselves: “Brook must still be recovering from mono.” If Brook gets 20 and 15, he could have gotten 25 and 17. If he gets 8 and 6, he could have gotten 12 and 10. I can’t imagine a better scenario for Net fans. The excuse for the entire season is built in, continually wondering if Brook is over mono yet!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lose, not loose, of course.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow KV Pile on why don't You
Name a better Center in League that Played in such a uncertain structure.. Coaching, teamates etc. He could put up Wilt Chamberlain numbers and you will find fault with the guy. And he is still 22 and coming into year 3.
D howard is probably viewed as the best Center in the League But he doesn’t see many doubes or triples because of thier shooters. Easy to get the boards and dunks when the paint isn’t clogged.
It’s really sad that you chose something like Mono to pile on. REALLY shows your hate. Way to Hate man!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
exactly
Using this as a springboard to toss Lopez under the bus is absolutely disgusting IMO, but whatever.
Thank god that the Nets brass do not share some of the god awful opinions expressed in this thread. Shameful stuff.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn. You took my excuse for the Nets winning less than 38 games this year.
Next up, Avery Johnson’s voice thrwoing off the equilibrium of the Nets’ players.
Well, we have the built-in “Avery is not playing Twill enough!” (that is sure to explain all kinds of loses).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you have a vendetta against Brook kv? And if’s funny cause you think anyone who doesn’t feel the same way about Brook is just a blind fan. Look at your posts. When talking about Brook they are all negative. Here you are agreeing with two bozos and trying put your reasoning behind their unrealistic expectations.
by Sparklespice on Aug 4, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t have a vendetta against Brook at all. I think he is the 3rd best young center in the league. He has some significant flaws in his game, but maybe he can correct them to a degree.
It is not a vendetta to point out weaknesses in someone’s game. I do it for even my favorite players. Its a part of realistically appreciating someone’s true talent, and not just blowing into the Comic-book level, surreality.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
hey
I’m one of the few people here who has said that some Nets fan overrate Brook sometimes (I love him, but don’t believe he’s a franchise player), but the criticism he’s received here for leaving team USA when he’s recovering from a serious illness like mono is unwarranted, ridiculous and unnecessary, if you asked me. Man up? Quitter? I mean, come on!
criticism for leaving is unwarranted, agreed. His decision is a smart prudent thing.
But the wish to have a player who wants to win & play so badly that he’s not thinking with his head, but rather his heart, is the point to “man up.”
You wouldn’t like that? Respect that? Shake your head and say “he’s an idiot, but damn he’s got heart.”
so you want Brook to be stupid.
displaying heart/courage and being a reckless buffoon are two different things pal. It’s unfathomable to me that a Nets fan would want Brook Lopez to risk his health just so that you can sit back and say “damn, he was stupid, but he has heart”. This is absolute nonsense. You are basically sitting here telling us that he should have risked being bed ridden again, and risking the start of training camp and possibly the regular season just to appease you and your warped definition of “heart”. No.
The fact that he even went through with the tryouts in the first place is heart/courage, because all accounts have stated that Lopez really wanted to play but as people with common sense realize, sometimes your body will betray the wishes of your mind.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I love your ability to exaggerate.
“unfathomable” “absolute nonsense” “by all accounts”
“reckless buffoon” – I’m not asking him to play chicken on the NJ turnpike. Do you read for content, or just make up crap on your own?
I’m not saying he SHOULD do anything. I said, I’d have liked him to have that warrior’s mentality.
Not sure what your h.o. is with me prefering players that have a warriors heart but your constant NEED to argue for the sake of arguing is annoying.
by kiemurphy on Aug 5, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
this thread is really bringing out the lowest of the low. I doubt you’d go to a Kings board and see Ty Evans being called soft for pulling out of the tryouts.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
at Sparklespiece
Sometimes, I have the impression that you criticize some players just because they are fan favorites. So he can say he’s a realist. Cool.
oops sorry.
I meant to say that I have the imprssion that KV criticizes some players just because they’re fan favorites.
Rec’d Sparklespiece’s post.
kv doesn't like any player on the roster apparently
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
. That was 5th on my list. KV, stop exposing my excuses or I’m not gonna have a way to back out of the $500 bet I made over who would have a better record bewteen the Nets and the Knicks.
Cheers.
Is the 3rd one on the list:
- He’s playing Favors way too many minutes, way too soon! He’s just a rookie…
or
- He’s not playing Favors enough! The guy is a man-beast!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
:)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Only a pessimist would ask you to give reasons for your prediction. Right?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
God you’re so dumb. Can’t you see. Lopez is the 2nd best center in the league, Favors will win rookie of the year, Harris will revert to his old form and T-Will will be an all-star. Dummyhead.
I give it about a .01% chance, which is to say if the season was played 1000 times, maybe one time it would turn out that way. (Twill being the biggest reach.) If you left Twill’s All star bid out, maybe .05%
Is that being pessimistic?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Take Twill out and it should be point 0.1% You were pessimistic by half. Or twice as pessimistic as you should be. Or 95% less optimistic than others. I think that is right.
Hey, you’re right. My decimal was wrong.
1 in a 1000 = .1%
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, well does that mean the people madly in love with the guy can stop saying “well they are always injured” when explaining why Brook is better then 5 other centers being named?
this is a stunningly ignorant statement to make
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You never know. Everyone is different. It could linger and linger. He might have a really good few weeks and then exhaust himself. It will always be a possibility.
Is Brook tired? Does Brook look sluggish out there to you? I can hear the questions all year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoy pointing out how polyanna Net fans refuse to look soberly at flaws in their 12 win team. At a certain point you have to wake up and embrace both the flaws and the positives of your team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it seems like you just enjoy pointing out Brook’s flaws, and whining about things that haven’t even happened. I have never seen a post where you realistically appreciate Brook’s “True Talent”. And who’s Brook behind in the young centers? For me he’s clearly behind Dwight howard and Andre bogut. I am toatally aware of the team’s flaws. Whether it be Harris’s, t-will’s or Brooks. I just don’t harp on them all the time and make up stuff to harp about.
Why thank you kind sir.
I wouldn’t describe KV’s rhetoric as ‘whining’ he just seems to constantly point out flaws without discussing any strengths and/or shedding some positivity. But, someone’s gotta do it.
Oh your welcome!
I would describe alot of what KV does as whining. As evidenced in this sarcastic "I think this is great news actually. This time everytime the Nets loose this year, Net fans can say to themselves: "Brook must still be recovering from mono." If Brook gets 20 and 15, he could have gotten 25 and 17. If he gets 8 and 6, he could have gotten 12 and 10. I can’t imagine a better scenario for Net fans. " He’s complaining about something that hasn’t happened. That’s whining in my book. I actually disagree about the “someone’s gotta do it”. KV claims he accepts both positives and negatives, but all i’ve seen in his posts is pessimism. Pessimistic people (especially when they claim they see positives) are not pleasant people in my book.
My posts of pessimism (realism) are almost always made in the context of obsessive homerism. Some people love the game of basketball AND the Nets.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
GO NETS!!!
FAVORS is a MANBEAST!!! Go “Hard Work”!!!
Here are some dunk highlights of Twill’s [insert youtube links], the guy is going to tear up the league this year!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks NBRITM, when there is a chorus of near obsessive positivity for a team that won 12 games last year (I don’t care about the excuses), how about just a little teaspoon of reality. For every 10 “Favors is a ManBeast” or “Twill is a Mini-Lebron” I introject a wee bit of what is real.
My hopes for the team and all its players are high. My expectations realistic and sober. I don’t like going on and on about my hopes. I don’t really understand why people like doing this, honestly.
Plus, when you are sober about the flaws, your claims about excellence in the same players make so much more sense, and are so much more believable.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And i don’t like going on and on about the negatives. I don’t really understand why people like doing this honestly. to be honest your ceaseless pessimism does nothing but discredit you. It establishes your viewpoint as overly critical, and not reliable. Just as homers establish their viewpoint as overly positive.
It discredits me to people who want to put there head in the sand and pretend that this team is a playoff team (already), or that it is on the path to a championship run (eventually).
But to these people I SHOULD be discredited, because they are not rational.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea. The topic has changed to my overall approach to posting.
In regards to Brook I only said that the reason why certain negative comments were coming up (and not comments I was making), was that he has a problem with focus and intensity.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
oops what does this have to do with Brook's mono?
I have never made a post that suggests I think this team will wins x number of games. I hope to enjoy watching a young team grow and hope they are fun to watch. Those are my hopes. I have no expectations regarding wins.
by MJa on Aug 4, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
me too.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
me three
I don’t see anything wrong with debating the positives and negatives of each player, but you have been in here subtly co signing two people who called Lopez soft for pulling out due to recovering from mono. You aren’t slick dude.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t been co-signing. I’ve been suggesting that Lopez has kinda made his bed with some people. If he played a different way, with a different attitude, these comments wouldn’t even be bothered with.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad Brook pulled out
if only because it avoids further injury and prolonged fatigue.
I’m also of the opinion that the Nets won’t make the playoffs this year, and I’m perfectly ok with that because we need another lottery talent and at least another shot at the #1 pick. But if we do make the playoffs, then so much the better — you never know that if might convince Melo or Paul.
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Agreed on all fronts.
Although there is no chance for Mello in my book.
Paul maybe in trade.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If they trade for Paul, I think they would want a guarantee of an extension
and Paul would only agree to that if we were on pace for the playoffs and beyond…
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I can’t get caught up in the extension. It depends on what is being traded, but Paul is the kind of player that brings Cs.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would they trade Favors, Harris, TWill, 2 picks
or some combination thereof for a 1 1/2 year rental of Chris Paul? They would want an extension.
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I didn’t realize that there was a trade on the table.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, well now you know
My sources tell me that they’re waiting to see if Paul can return back to his former self.
lol I’ve always wanted to say, “My sources tell me…” I should change my screen name to Chris Broussard.
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As far as Carmello is concerned
I wrote the other night that he’s not going to take less money to play for the Nets.
On the other hand, consider that IF we’re a playoff team (ala Chicago last year)… his wife purportedly wants to be in NYC, she is from BROOKLYN, and Carmello would only have to play one full season in Newark.
Now, would a player cede so much power and authority over his career to his wife? Well, Kidd stayed here largely because Joumana wanted to remain in the NY area…so there is a precedent.
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if you say so...
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don’t know what you are discussing.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And what I emphasized was that although the claim that Lopez is weak willed might not be deserved due to mono, it is being made and STICKING, because of how he plays the game. With a different kind of player it would to stick.
It seems pretty obviously true to me.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
you're the only one who has called lopez soft
and funny enough, the first time I’ve noticed it is in a thread where two people were distastefully trying to call him soft for being sick
you can spin this however you want though.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I did not call him soft BECAUSE he was sick. In fact I never called him soft at all. He could use SOME toughness, but he is not a soft player in my book.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
brook
lopez is not soft. he is just weak period. not soft though… dude needs to hit the gym even more than ever. he disappears against top bigs. theres a difference between soft and weak imo.
Gallo
this is the first time that I’ve agreed with you.
Brook is not a punk. He responds. The problem is that physically he is weak.
He has needed to work on his lower body strength for two years now so that he won’t be easily get pushed out of the paint by Howard and Perkins. This summer is definitely a setback.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Lower body strength is actually where it is all at (despite the play biceps get). But a great deal of this is physique. Kareem was a considered a terrible rebounder in his day, and received a great deal of criticism for it, even though he was physically strong (he got stronger as his career went), and mentally strong. He just had no “base” so to speak. It interfered with this rebounding and post defense.
Gasol is another guy who has a serious “base” problem. Lopez can get stronger, but some of this is not gym stuff either.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow A definition of Soft coming from a GALLINARI FAN
A 6’10 dude who plays on the perimeter…..lol… WOW!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
by MrBDown on Aug 5, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A soft center is a much worse problem than a soft SF who is primarily a 3 pt threat.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
too bad Lopez isn't soft
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh. KV isn’t the only one who has called Lopez soft. I think he’s soft, not because of this ordeal.
But, in my book Lopez’s style of play is definitely that of a soft big-man. He’s a very poor rebounder and he always seems to get outmuscled in the post.
I wouldn't call him soft
Nenad Krstic was “soft”. Yi was “soft”.
I do agree with the part about the rebounding and his lack of strength in the post. I have constantly called Brook out for not getting deep position in the paint, and he ends up getting pushed out to the FT line before he even catches the ball
But yet, I’m an optimistic homer. Keep the insults coming folks.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and Brook isn't as soft as people are falsely claiming
but whatever. He’s soft, Terrence Williams is 4th string player, Travis Outlaw is a horrible player, what else is new
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
…a 3rd string player.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
excuse me
4th string did seem a little outrageous
just a tad bit more outrageous than calling the 2nd best perimeter player on the team a 3rd stringer I suppose.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be nice if such a “good” perimeter player could shoot the ball from the perimeter.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly don’t think he is “soft” (wrong word). He lacks intensity and focus, but he hits back when hit. His brother though is tougher than him.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess on that subject I’ve conquered the impossible. I’m more pessimistic than you.
I defintely think Brook is soft, he’s well above-average in everyother facet of the game (who plays defense, it’s 2010), but if I had to pick three words to describe him they would be: Fluid, Multi-faceted and soft.
Interesting. This is a golden moment when I pass the pessimism sombrero over to you.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Here, give me a scale of one to ten:
Hands:
Footwork:
Rebounder O/D:
Low-post scorer:
Interior passer:
Passer out of the Post:
Toughness:
Offensive creativity:
Leader:
Help defender:
Man defender:
Mid-range game:
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hands: 9
Footwork: 8
Rebounder O/D: 4
Low-post scorer: 8
Interior passer: 7
Passer out of the Post: 3
Toughness: 3
Offensive creativity: 9
Leader: 7
Help defender: 8
Man defender: 5
Mid-range game: 9
Wow, those are some serious 9s.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was grading based on position.
For instance: At his position, center, I would give him a 9 for mid-range game. But, if we’re talking about overall I would give him a 7.
I would have put the scale on the history of the league. A 10 mid-range game would be Hakeem. Footwork would be Duncan, etc.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if we’re talking about on a history scale then that’s a whole different animal. I don’t know if I could give him more than a 7 in any category if we’re speaking of all-time.
Yeah, to me you have to make the ceiling high so that you can measure it up to championship leader level.
Comparing it to the league is less informative, at least they way that I look at the league.
There is a much larger database when you look at the history of the game.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Then the 3 he got for a history of the league center is really a 1 for toughness, and maybe the rebounding a 2?
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool. I appreciate it.
I always like to hear the details of someone’s thinking.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So much more interesting than: “Brook is great!”or even “Brook is gunna be great!”
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook Lopez
Hands: 7
Footwork: 5
Rebounder O/D: 5
Low-post scorer: 8
Interior passer: 5
Passer out of the Post: 5
Toughness: 9
Offensive creativity: 7
Leader: 6
Help defender: 6
Man defender: 6
Mid-range game: 8
Average: 6.41
Slightly above average center so far in his career, but projected to improve because he is only two years into his career. Could go as high as an 8.
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That is a stretch! By toughness do you mean durability? Played every game?? I hope that is what you mean!
Yes tough as in durability
Oden by contrast is a 2 in toughness.
One of the things I don’t like about these categorical breakdowns is that it uses absolutes (numbers) to grade ambiguous categorizations. For example, it’s up to you to define “Toughness” but “8” sort of has a definite meaning, which throws the analysis for a loop.
There’s a reason you don’t read a NY Times movie review and A.O. Scott doesn’t just go:
Direction:
Acting:
Set Design:
Production Values:
Score:
Costumes:
Makeup:
Special Effects:
Ave:
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by BigTom on Aug 4, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, these ratings, at least in my mind, should be on the court rating. Oden gets (on the history of NBA scale), maybe a 5. Brook a 2.
Toughness involves many things, ability to withstand both physical and mental pressure, standing in against stronger opponents, fighting and coming out with positive in toss-up, melee type situations, and also ability to intimidate opponents. At least in my book.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
what have you seen from Oden...
….that even remotely validates giving him a 5 and Brook, a guy who has played 82 games in back to back years, a 2?
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
One of the things I don’t like about these categorical breakdowns is that it uses absolutes (numbers) to grade ambiguous categorizations. For example, it’s up to you to define "Toughness" but "8" sort of has a definite meaning, which throws the analysis for a loop.
I think that this is a VERY minor point, since they give insight to the actual thinking of the person who says superlatives about a player (or negs). General statements about a player tell us nothing.
(good movie reviews cover all the details)
So if you think Lopez is a 9 in toughness and another guy thinks he is a 2, you then discuss the criteria for toughness. When you agree upon these, if you still think he is a 9, and the other guy thinks he is a 2, well, there is no more need for discussion.
The good thing about spelling out numbers in cats is that it pinpoints areas of disagreement (or agreement). The are the starting points for discussion. Not the end points.
So much better than even “Lopez is one of the best centers in the league!”
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
he is one of the best centers in the league
if you’d let go of just focusing on his negative aspects, which do NOT outweigh his positive ones, you’d understand why people say that about him.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who says they do not outweigh his positives? Defense from the Center spot is a primary requirement for Championship basketball.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not a great defender
…but of course, the concept of team defense has been foreign to this franchise for the last 5 years, so that also could have something to do with that. He is a very capable shotblocker, and working with our coaching staff this year(gasp! an actual coaching staff!!!) he can work on some things to improve his individual and team defense. You act like this kid’s career is already set in stone and he’s brad lohaus with a surfer dude accent
But what I’m saying is, you’re in here painting him out to be some kind of soft bum. You can deny it, but your commentary says otherwise, and the fact that you used this thread where people were unfairly insulting him for pulling out of Team USA due to illness recovery to call him soft says a lot.
You believe that Lopez is soft and not very good, and Williams is a 3rd string player.
It speaks for itself. I’m sure GMs around the league agree with your opinion, which is why the Nets have received calls about Williams and I’m sure there’d be a frenzy if Lopez was ever put on the block
They’re not perfect, but they’re our teams players. Instead of dwelling on what they can’t do, why not think about what they CAN do some times…you’ll realize that there is some talent on this roster.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
For the last time. KV didn’t criticize Lopez for pulling out of the US team. In fact he stated that it was the most prudent thing for Brook to do.
You’re misunderstanding my and KV’s claim that if this was a different player those who question his decision wouldn’t be doing so.
Reading is the key.
Reading is the key.
I think Bills thinks its more fun not reading.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re in here painting him out to be some kind of soft bum.
I have REPEATED said that I do not consider Brook soft.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Are these history of the league scale numbers BT?
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Give back the sombrero NBRITM
You still have some work to do!
Now the sombrero is on the ground. Should I pick it up????
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
@NBRITM "defintely think Brook is soft"
He’s tough enough although more would be okay. He didnt handle the “famous losingest team in history” ordeal well – I dont even know what that would be handling it well. But he gets sullen and unfocused. I’m comparing him to the best players in nba history and I’m not clearly seeing him making top 20. He’s young and there’s nothing but maturity and attitude and work between him and a really otstanding career, but a lot of these guys STARTED OUT their nba careers gangbusters.
last year was his 2nd year
…in one of the worst run NBA Campaigns in the history of the league
Common sense dictates that it would be wise to give each player that is left a clean slate going into this year, under normal, well coached, and developmentally productive circumstances before you just WRITE THEM OFF. This is ticks me off about some of the stuff being written on here about some of these kids. None of you factor in how badly things were being run. The atmosphere was a breeding ground for unprofessionalism, bad play, and overall bad attitudes. I don’t blame Lopez one second for being surly last year, who was the one Net, aside from C. Lee IMO, to show up for a huge % of the games and played hard? Brook Lopez. You can’t say that about Devin Harris, Terrence Williams, etc. Lee’s shot was off but the effort was there defensively. Lopez was the best player on the floor for 90% of the games. Of course he’s going to be ticked off.
Last year was an absolute abomination. Making absolute judgements on anyone from that garbage is flat out stupid.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me just say that kv is one of the best posters here
He, Net Income and a few others. I like Dollar Bills and Andres for their sheer glass full optimism and because they care more about the players than the players do about them. I also like cpawfan for his droll hilarity.
I also like it when kv and Net Income take jabs at each other, because they are both armed with knowledge, which makes for a good debate.
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by BigTom on Aug 4, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Net Incomes jabs too! Always good to be hit with some knowledge.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom...
…no need for insults.
You must have just started posting here. I will be the first to call it like it is about ANY player. Ask anyone who has posted here for more than two seasons my opinions about Devin Harris or this the state of this franchise in general over the past few seasons. Just because I’m giving each player a clean slate under the new regime doesn’t mean that I’m some homer.
You guys need to cut the crap with all of this “Mr DB is so optimistic” garbage.
Instead of talking trash, refute any “optimistic” point that I make with facts, and not baseless garbage. I’ll gladly owning up to being wrong or agreeing with you if you make sense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
gladly own up
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
You joined this part of the discussion late Bills. As usual.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry
I had to drive home from work, i’ll try to keep up with your intellectual dishonesty some other time bro.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I apologize
“sheer optimism” isn’t meant as an insult. But I apologize if you took it that way.
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I like Dollar Bills and Andres for their sheer glass full optimism and because they care more about the players than the players do about them.
To me, you’re trying to belittle Andres and myself. But have it, i can’t respond in kind or else it’s a wrap.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That is not an insult
I said I like you because you care about the players…unlike some cynical, fly-by-night, bandwagon Nets fans who couldn’t care less.
That’s what I meant. Again, I apologize that you took it as an insult. Again, I wrote “I like Dollar Bills.”
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ah
well, i apologize for taking it the wrong way.
BTW, where is your fanpost on T-Will
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was listing my favorite Nets Daily posters
You and Andres — I like you guys!
My fanpost will hopefully be ready by the weekend. The gist of it is that we should play TWill in the same role Doc Rivers played Nate Robinson in the playoffs — the tazmanian devil role.
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Disagree.
While I agree with the overall idea, I really think Avery should employ T-Will more than Doc used Nate.
I think T-Will is a lot more versatile than Nate Robinson, while both players are extremely talented T-Will can do more to help his team win. Nate is more of a scorer and T-Will is more of a facilitator with the ability to penetrate.
While T-Will is similar to Nate in that he can be reckless and turnover-prone I think he needs to be utilized more than Nate is. He brings more to the game and for all of his bone-headed plays he’ll make a great pass, break-down the defense or amaze with his athleticism.
The problem is that Avery’s offense likely is not a “breakdown the defense” one-on-one offense. He likes ball movement (which requires organized passing), not “let me break this guy down”.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
TWill and his passing abilties
fit perfectly then. He will only help ball movement.
And I wouldn’t say a guy like Travis Outlaw helps ball movement. And his game is a beakdown the defense 1on1 offense. Oops.
would you say
that someone like Josh Howard helps ball movement or that his offensive game isn’t 1on1 and try to break down the defense? How about Harris? Why do you assume that’s something Avery won’t want? Just to find an excuse to bury TWill on your depth chart?
Outlaw shoots 7% better from 3. When you are a SG (or a SF), one of your primary roles is BEING ABLE TO SHOOT. Spacing the floor through threat of shot is key to the advantages that ball movement brings.
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by kv on Aug 5, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
TWill is not a facilitator
That’s part of what I’m currently researching. He is not a set-up man.
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Tom,
TWill is not a facilitator
Nonsense. The ball moved better when it was in Williams’ hands than anyone else’s aside from Keyon Dooling.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Is it coincidence...
… that we won 5 of our final 12 games with TWill averaging 15p, 7r and 6 as per game over that stretch? Is it?
this idea about T-Will being compared to Nate...
…has absolutely NOTHING to do with basketball. NOT ONE THING.
Again, it’s funny how T-WIll get lumped in with Nate, but he’s good friends with Brandon Roy as well and is mentored by Gary Payton.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you should read Tom’s post again. The comparison is definitely valid, although I disagree with his claim.
The only...
…thing that I agree with as far as Robinson/Williams goes is the fact that both have shown a tendency to get out of control at times.
Difference is, Robinson is a couple years into his career and Williams is starting his 2nd year with a coach that will guide him with a firm hand.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 5, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i look forward to it Tom
and again, all bickering aside, i like everyone here, we’re all Nets fans and we all want the best for the team and the players. I think.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bills was the guy who said it was more fun to argue endlessly with a Knick fan troll, than to ignore him. Sorry if I got that wrong.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
KV....
Oh, it was fun. I get a kick out of going back and forth with rival fans, It’s all in good fun unless people start getting personal and ignorant. I’ve been warned so now i’ll just flag them.
You on the other hand, have lied about me making statements about Williams that never came out of my mouth and have also gotten called out for giving props to Cousins for winning rookie of the month in July while trying to belittle Williams for winning ROTM in April during the NBA season, and not the summer league. Sorry if I got that wrong…oh wait, I didn’t.
But carry on. Use Brook having mono as a sounding board to call him soft.
Hopefully this team will win some games this year so this in house stuff can stop
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did NOT lie (which implies intent), I was mistaken.
I confused your unqualified statements about Twill with Ben1’s unqualified statements. Its hard to keep you guys straight.
As far as Cousins, my point was clear, a columnist who praised Cousins’ summer league performance as “winning” (when he won an award) was not discreditable. While I think winning the award is nothing when compared with the rare skills he displayed.
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by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
it's cool man
lets just dead the issue. I’m reading over this thread and we’ve let two god awful opinions railroad this into a discussion about
what what are we talking about now
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 4, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
about how Twill doesn’t likely fit into Avery’
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery’s plans. :)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Tom
last year I was saying we’d finish dead last and that nobody would sign here. Like I said before, I think some Nets fans overrate Brook, even tho I love him. I never was a big fan of Favors (I like Cousins better, as you all know). I wanted us to draft Earl Clark over TWill before the draft (guys like NJQuestCat can confirm this… I was dead wrong and I have no problem with admitting it).I try to be objective. I just can’t stand nonsense. Brook being criticized the way he’s been in this thread is baseless and unwarranted, and so is the criticism TWill gets here by some of his detractors.
Who needs love when you have the golden sombrero of pessimism?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
keith
van bread is the best poster here. second is kv. imo.
I think Isaac is best.
He is like a little ray of sunshine on an otherwise cloudy day.
no
way. isaac cannot match up with keith van bread. plus keith van bread is a cool, sly name yo.
Well sorry but you are wrong. While you discredit yourself to homers, you also discredit yourself to fans who recognize both positives and negative, like myself. Unfortunately in your attempt to counter the homers, your opinions have become extreme as theirs.
What in the world have I said that is discredited?
Twill is currently 3rd on the depth chart at SG?
The team will not likely get to the playoffs?
Brook doesn’t always concentrate?
Favors needs a lot of time to develop, we should get a PF to protect him?
Where is the controversy?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 4, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions