Nuggets "Asking For The World" In Return for 'Melo
by Net Income on Aug 31, 2010 5:09 PM EDT
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PrintThe Nuggets were “asking for the world” in trade talks for Carmelo Anthony.before Masai Uriji was named general manager last week, according to Yahoo's Marc J. Spears.
And they want you to know as well that 1) they are unwilling to say their relationship with Carmelo Anthony is at the end and 2) there's no rift with his agent as has been reported.
Ujiri told the media Tuesday that he intends on meeting with the team's star forward soon and remains hopeful.
"I'll wait and talk to Melo and see what he has to say. I think so far things have been positive. There's been a lot of speculation, but hey, that's how it works in our business."
Josh Kroenke, the Nuggets new owner, claims reports of a rift between Denver ownership and Anthony's agent are wrong.
"Anything that has been said is either someone trying to manipulate the situation behind the scenes, or other motives that are unknown at this point, but Melo and his representation have been great to us."
Meanwhile, MSG's college hoops analyst Jon Rothstein claims in a tweet that the Nets "look like favorites now but are fighting including lopez...Harris, Favors, and picks are package." He quotes no sources.
- Nuggets want Carmelo Anthony's take on future of the team - Chris Dempsey - Denver Post
- Ujiri focuses on Anthony - Chris Dempsey - Denver Post
- Nuggets’ new GM hopes to keep Anthony - Marc J. Spears - Yahoo! Sports
- Nuggets about to tackle Melo Matter - Arnie Stapleton - AP
- Masai Ujiri's New Job (Video) - NBA.com
- Brook Lopez Going Nowhere? - Yannis Koutroupis - HoopsWorld
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Maximum is Favors and no other talent.
Otherwise I hope Melo re-signs with Nuggets.
And why is the opinion of the MSG college analyst worth any more than my opinion.
Why are we even citing his opinion. Maybe he wants to up the package so that Nets are hurt at the benefit of Knicks?
All indications are that Nuggets want Favors and picks, so why discuss anything beyond that.
The wrong Tweet is cited above.
The only Tweet that cites a league says that Lopez isn’t in any trade discussion between Nets and Nuggets.
http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/22616840322
The Tweet from an hour later about Lopez is therefore deceiving.
From Hence Forth NetsDaily should be able to remove Lopez from the Melo discussion.
I know right
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 31, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris, Favors and Picks??
Haaaaha
thanks but no thanks
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Aug 31, 2010 5:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
yeah....
the most this team needs to give up for a disgruntled player is Twill, Hump, and picks
more this story develops and the longer they drag this out…less value anthony is
spin control by unqualified rookie GM (assistant to the regional manager, Josh Kroenke)
Josh Kroenke and Masai Ujiri are out of their league with this.
The longer they drag this out, the less negotiating power they have.
No Lopez.
I would agree. But if we let go Harris, I hope we are getting a PG back somehow… and pls don’t say TWill as a full time PG. ugh
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Aug 31, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
I will post this once more.
Harris
Humphries
Williams OR James
Picks
3 million
for
Anthony
Lawson
Also
Harris
Murphy
Williams OR James
Picks
3 million
Just some ideas
Consequences will never be the same.
They dont want a PG
They are high on Lawson and will move him into the starting rotation if/when they cut ties with Billups. Lawson will not be a part of any pkg.
by bettacalltyrone on Aug 31, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. The talk of trading Harris always seems to originate with outsiders who want to see Nets broken up.
Melo can Nix any S&T so it is what Melo wants that counts. He isn’t going to go to Nets without Lopez and Harris in place and either Favors or Murphy at PF.
Me thinks you are giving up too much in both proposals.
If these are the kinds of offers it will take, I pass,
by MJa on Aug 31, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think it is too much for Anthony AND Lawson.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 31, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
becuase you proposed it i
I will rather give up an unproven James(useless if they get Melo) and T-Will plus Murphy some picks for Anthony and Afflalo.
Favors, Harris and Picks
IN A HEARTBEAT
IMO Favors has bust written all over him and we’ll be lucky if we can sell high for Melo.
My only question is, if we make this deal is there any way we can then trade for Chris Paul too without dealing Brook Lopez?
Wall and Favors have been talked about forever…
Our backcourt would look like this: farmar-twill.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Aug 31, 2010 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or we can ask about lawson
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 31, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget it
I hate this nonsense. Our pre-season training camp will be impacted by this trade rumors. Nobody knows whether they are going to be with Nets and that uncertainty will disrupt our preparation. Can we finish this now.
BTW, Brook is off limits if Melo really wants to come to Nets. I’m Ok with them adding Devin, TWill and some others. I don’t want to loose Favors and Morrow as well.
QUESTION
How bout we make this deal (Harris, Favors and Picks for Melo) then deal Brook Lopez for Chris Paul.
Would you do that?
Would New Orleans?
… and what would our depth chart look like if we did?
I wouldn't.
Paul might choose to sign with the Nets since Melo would be here.
Plus, teams need good big men. Brook Lopez has a chance of being great(not the best though), and we should keep him. Murphy would be the only respectable big man we have…
Wait till Paul is a FA
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 31, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's an awful trade
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
That wouldn’t work cause then when we put r bench we would get beat hard
by NYCfanman on Sep 1, 2010 7:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow they really trying to screw us over
What makes them think Melo would stick with a team minus Lopez Favors and Harris???
No thank you.
Let the Clippers trade Blake,Eric and Kaman for Marshmello
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 31, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
All 3?
If they did that, we have the winner for stupidest franchise of the year.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 31, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Not much different than
Harris, Lopez, and Favors plus picks
"I don't care if you gotta FLY... You bettah have my doughNUTS!"
we arent doing that
just no way
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 31, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt Billy King is that foolish
if he felt his record was shaky if he pulls that move he will be known as the GM who help rebuild the Denver Nuggets.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 31, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
I need one important question answerd by a person with knowlege of the situation involving DF before I start will my trade Proposals
Is Derrick Favors the 3rd Overall Pick going to put up solid numbers his first 3 years like a Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett or Amare Stoudemire You know at least 12ppg 8rpg 1apg 1.5bpg .5spg 50% from the fieldif given 32mpg or will the NETS have to wait 3 freakin years for this guy to put at least double digit scoring and almost doulble digit rebounding in that case trade the guy come on three years to put up 12ppg 8rpg thats ridiculous he is high reward or high risk player. Im still confused 3 years to put up decent numbers 12 and 8 or three years to put up 20 and 10.
If Favors can put up 12 and 8 his first year if given the playing time trade T-Will and James if he can’t trade Favors and James as simple as that.
Lopez/Petro(this guy is oing to prove alot of you guys wrong bet on it)
Favors/May/Hump
Anthony/Outlaw
Morrow/Afflalo/Ross
Harris/Farmar
Seriously most of you people who are saying if you trade Murphy this team will have no 4 a month ago you people were saying this team didn’t need a PF that C-Lee and T-Will along with Morrow were better than having a PF Aaron Affalo is as good as C-Lee and Anthony is 3 times as good as T-Will and James put togetherI don’t care what any of you guys say plus if Avery thinks as you guys T-Will and James being All-stars why did he bring in two guys that will play in front of them and signed them to multi-year deals.
Why do you always bring up the 3 year time period?
The Nets and Avery Johnson said they expect him to come to his own by the all-star break(which is close to only half of a season…) so they expect him to put up good numbers next season, and possibly great numbers in the years after.
So what is the Three years alL ABOUT
if you can’t give me facts don’t comment at all i said knowlege of the situation.I want links, interviews ect.
What you really want
is someone who can see into the future. Just wait until I have finished this cup of tea and I will let you know what the tea leaves say.
Cool
while you at it tell me if they win the Championship for I won’t waste my time.
Haha
Turns out I use a tea bag. Sorry about that! I am going to go out on a limb though and say we are probably not winning it this year!!
And, who are you kidding, of course you are going to waste your time!! We all will…
Okay JJ
that granted but in the three years it will take Favors to develop what makes you believe that we will be able to compete with Miami Orlando and the rest of top teams in the east.
As I pointed out before Carmelo had problems advancing past the first round when he was in the West where the talent was tough.
Now things have shifted where a team like Boston though old still ran through the East.
I don’t see how adding Melo makes us nothing more than a first round exit team.
Now if he comes in the offseason that is better.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 31, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what im saying
a 20 8 Favors a 20 8 Lopez a 25 6 Anthony a 20 8 Harris and a THE BEST three point shooter in the league (maybe won’t be enough)? Or is it going to be a 12 and 7 Favors after three years. The Nets would have top 3 Center/SF/PF and top ten PG/SG if the Nets this off-season get melo next off-season they can sign someone like Caron Butler for the MLE a replacement of a T-Will/James is way easier to get rather than a talented big man like Favors and Top 3 scorer in the league like a Anthony. Anthony won’t be available next offseason he won’t leave all that money on the table and Nuggets won’t lose him they still have other offers if its a medicore one like Gallo and CURRY FOR Melo its better than nothing.
I seriously doubt
that there are any serious talks…there may not be any talks at all.
Why would Denver talk to Anthony about staying while fielding offers at the same time? It would not be a good signal to send.
I was told last week there would be no talks until the GM was named. I believe they have to do something before training camp opens, but there is no immediate need to move.
The manner in which Rothstein describes who made what offer doesn’t give me any confidence he knows what he is talking about.
Its simple he doesn't have to say
I want out like in a CP3 Situation all he has to say I won’t sign the extension and that says it all.
Seriously doubt the Nets
are offering any real players at this point. the wish lists seems more from what the nuggets want from the teams.
wait till they find out the best they will get is picks and decent talent back.
i would start with troy and picks.
Melo has a big say in this because NOBODY is giving up any real players for a 1 year rental.
by Hollywoodnet on Aug 31, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the Nets "look like favorites now but are fighting including lopez…Harris, Favors
If we can keep Lopez, Harris and Favors, I would love it.
you read that wrong
They’re fighting to include Lopez…
Harris, Favors and picks ARE on the table right now
same here
I love any deal that has us keep them
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 31, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions
If It Ends Up Being
Harris + Favors, no picks should be included, except maybe a meaningless 2nd rounder or two, and we Should get Lawson and Melo.
Now, there is actually one advantage to a trade like this.. we would not have Harris or Favors on the books next season, though we would have Melo’s extension.
Melo – 20m
Farmar – 4m
Morrow – 4m
T.Williams – 2m
Lopez – 3m
Petro – 3.5m
Outlaw – 7m
D.James – 1m
Lawson – 2m
= $46 or 47m
We may still be able to land a big time player with what could be about $12m in cap space if the cap stays about the same. Of course, ideally they player is Chris Paul in a sign and trade where they get some modest assets to make it worth their effort. Only thing is we would have to chose between resigning our own free agents, including Murphy to have that cap space, meaning another whole at PF.
Because Harris is a much younger former AS PG
And Favors is the recent #3 pick
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This report is actually positive news
Thanks for posting this, N.I.
First of all, the new GM is naive. He’s trying yet once more, again, to try to win over Melo. If it didn’t work the first two or three times, why will it now? Let’s say another week goes by before he realizes Melo is an unrequited love. That leaves about three weeks to trade Melo, because they don’t want to trade him after camp starts. Actually, make that two weeks, because you would want to trade him with some time left before camp starts so as not to make the catastrophic roster move seem so jarring. They will need a week (at least) to transition to the post-Melo era. That means they will be scrambling, which is good for us.
Second of all, we have Bobby Marks, who by himself can play chess better than these Denver neophytes. I trust Marks to win the mind-game.
Third, he’s calling Woj a liar, which to a journalist is basically a smear on your good name. Woj will dig deeper. I doubt Woj is making stuff up or has a hidden agenda. He has a track record of believability. This new GM does not.
I could go on, but three points are enough. This is good news. So far, so good, imo.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
No offer has been fielded
King is out of the country. Won’t make such a serious trade until he can sit w/ marks and co.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
The fact that the GM went after the press coverage of the trade
is a dead giveaway to me. It’s called try to wrestle back control of the narrative, because he’s lost it. Which is a signal of positive developments for us.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
I dont think there are any serious talks
at least with the Nuggets. Some teams may have called Anthony’s agents…friendly calls.
Many of the Fans of this site are missing the big point and that is Avery Johnson
if you give him a top scorer in the league he could dangerous he has proved it once and he will prove it agian 60+ win teams it doesn’t matter how much the NBA has changed with these super teams give him Melo and he wouldn’t have a top team without giving up Lopez, Favors and Harris?
Lopez/Petro
Favors/May/Hump
Anthony/Outlaw
Afflalo/Morrow/Ross
Harris/Farmar
has as much talent of winning 67 games then his other teams in Dallas
UNDER AVERY JOHNSON PLUS TWO OTHER COACHING STUDS plus time away from the game anayzing it is
Dampier/Diop
Nowitzki/Powell/Van Horn
Howard/Stackhouse
Griffin/Daniels
Terry/Harris/Christie
He didn’t even have three solid bigs just one. He only had three players play more than 60 games. He didn’t even have a defensive minded player it was all about the team play on D AND O(with it running thru a guy who can score 25+ppg).
yahoo’s Marc J Spears says Denver’s new gm doesn’t want to trade Melo but the team doesnt rule out that possibility yet
http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/22637896437
While Nugs GM Masai Ujiri doesn’t want to trade Melo, the franchise hasn’t closed the door on the possibility.
That's a meaningless statement by Ujiri
He might or might not trade Melo.
Um, duhh, Uriji.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Correction
That is a cipher of a statement by Spears. “Ujiri might or might not trade Melo.” Thanks for the insight, Spears.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Twitter really does a disservice at times like this, by forcing short lines that don't express the correct meaning.
Look at how much trouble and misinformation Twitter has caused!
Sounds Fair
I’d hate to give up a good starting PG & leave us with a hole at such an important position. That being said, I could see Harris going elsewhere in a 3 team deal, with a lesser PG coming back to us (Portland, Charlotte?).
No to Melo.
I don’t feel like typing out all the reasons on the 468th post on the same topic, but just no. He’s not worth what we’d have to give up.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 31, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe not NJ/NY
Elton Brand and Iguodola, I think is a very good trade for both team.
Boston can trade Davis and Rey Allen and Scalabrini for Anthony
by JuliusIrving on Aug 31, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
World
Speaking of World US almost lose to Brazil without the big guys Andersen and Nene playing. How about trade Murphy to Philadelphia and pick . Denver gets Elton Brand. NETS get Anthony. We can add also picks Ross and Humphrie. They still have Turner so I think Iguodola is tradeable and it looks like Philadelphia is going on a different direction . If not, Denver will ask for T. Will or James.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 31, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver does not want Elton Brand or his contract
Shoot, if you think Denver is willing to exchange Melo for Elton, then … I don’t know what to say!
Better
How about we trade Harris and Twill for Igudala and Holiday.
by Zartan on Aug 31, 2010 9:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not competetive
We need Anthony not these guys. Anthony you can depend on him as a consistent scorer and makes opposing teams adjust on defense, most likely one who is poor in offense. I don’t like the style of Iguodola. Either T Will or Harris stays. If we are going to get rid both then we definitely need Chris Paul here.
Brooks and favors need to fan out and produce at least 30 pts and 15 rebounds. With Anthony and Brook we can easily make 20 points from FT alone and that means 10 fouls, maybe enough to destabilize opposing team.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 31, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
crap
i wanted to see how well this team will play together first…
and screw the Nuggets, they’re just trying to leverage Melo by leaking bogus info to the media
It is the Media leaking trades, not Denver. The Media loves to take away good players from the Nets.
Denver only leaked that they would be willing to deal with Nets, Kings or Wolves. That is IT, as far as I know.
so to get melo we would have 2 trade lopez favors and devin
hold up let me laugh lmao. no1 is that stupid denver is trying 2 rob teams and i doubt we r trying 2 get robbed no way we will give up all 3 i doubt we would even give up 2 of the 3. we won’t even give up lopez
None of those three are leaving
maybe the three of Murphy, James and T-Will for Afflalo and Anthony.
If the Nets
do trade one of those it could be Favors along with James and Murphy(then Nuggs will have to waive him to sign with the Nets) for Anthony and Balkman
3rd Overall Pick in 2003 for 3rd Overall Pick in 2010
20 Overall Pick in 2006 for 24th Overall pick 2010
Even trade on paper draft wise.
To be fair to the Nuggets
They have not said themselves they must have Lopez or no deal. That’s what has been reported. It’s becoming increasingly clear that no offers have been made, or at least serious negotiations have not begun, because the Nuggets are still trying to get Melo to stay. Serious negotiations won’t begin until AFTER the Nuggets give up on trying to sway Melo. Therefore, it debunks the Lopez-as-prerequisite rumors.
My hunch is, if anything has occurred at all, it’s that the Nuggets have gotten word through back channels that what they’re being offered by teams such as the Nets is not “good enough” in their eyes to warrant a talent like Melo, so they’re going back to the drawing board trying to woo Melo. Once they realize that Melo is an unrequited love, they’ll be stuck having to settle for what the Nets and other teams actually DO offer them, which is unlikely to include Lopez and (hopefully) Favors.
So, as I said, this is a positive development for us tonight, all things considered. So far, so good.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
In addition
This would also explain why they’re trying to wrestle back control of the narrative, attempting to debunk Woj’s report and others that Melo wants out. They still want the frame to be that Melo will consider staying, because that is the goal they have gone back to setting for themselves.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
How about
Harris, TWill, James, Favors, Lopez + 5 first round picks for Anthony?
This way Anthony’s lovers will be ecstatic when he has 30pts a night in and night out on a 30 win team for three years. And then he leaves of course.
P.S. Thank God, Prokhorov is about gaining, not losing.
P.P.S Harril, TWill + 2 picks is MAXIMUM Nets should offer! This is a no brainier. Denver will be happy to get something in return for a player that is leaving anyway!
Harril, TWill + 2 picks is MAXIMUM Nets should offer!
even that would be a terrible trade for us, the Nets would be a worse team if they did someithng like that, they’ have the absolute worst backcourt in bball. TEAM BALANCE PEOPLE, TEAM BALANCE.
I agree with Andres, especially about team balance...
But I have a feeling Carmelo is headed for the Nets.. and soon…
Lets just hope the price is right…
I am somewhat reminded
of the Vince Carter situation in 2004.
VC wanted out. There were plenty of suitors and lots of talk that the Knicks were going to get him.
The Raptors waited and waited and waited…and then screwed themselves, making a deal with the least likely suitor. The deal in fact was so bad that after ESPN broke it, other GM’s called Toronto to say they had a better offer.
Exactly!
That’s why Nets brass shouldn’t fall for this baloney info launched by Nugget’s management. King should let them know right out of the gate: Lopez/Favors are untouchable, the rest – give me a call when you have something on your mind. Period.
by Belarus4life on Aug 31, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a different situation because it was an outright trade for Vince, not a S&T where in this case Melo can veto which ever team he chooses..
Besides, someone must not have done due diligence back then, if other teams weren’t consulted right before pulling the trigger.
Wasn’t the Toronto GM rightly fired shortly after?
The justified concern though is that Melo won’t play hard this season and thus lower his trade value and further damage his already damaged reputation.
Great point NI
Same thing that I’ve been saying
Denver’s front office is DELUSIONAL. End of story. They can get more now if they move quickly. Dragging this out will be counterproductive…for THEM
If they wait it out, Melo will be sold for pennies on the dollar. Idiots
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You really want to get this over with
and write a post that says Proky gets his wish and Avery has the best team he has ever had.
Denver could want to move NOW all they want, but if they demand too much, Melo can Veto the deal.
If they give into Melo, then Denver gets back too little and Denver fans will be upset.
I can easily see a stalemate and this carrying on into December, when it will be easier to evaluate what is out there. December is a long way from mid-February.
This whole situation can be summed up pretty simply.
Lopez is off limits (Melo wouldn’t come anyway), so it comes down to whether Nuggets really like Favors more than anyone being talked about as available.
If Nuggets REALLY want Favors, then Nets would be in control of situation because traditionally the side-players are not important (eg. Harris, TWill, DJames). Nets would win the battle to prevent any other worthwhile player going to Denver. It would come down to coming up with $12.86-$4.13 million in tradable salary (which could be discussed separately).
If Nuggets really don’t want Favors badly, then Nets probably wouldn’t be in a good situation and rather than get into a bidding war over TWill+DJames+??, they should stay away unless Melo were to cooperate and demand a trade to Nets (without destroying the team).
Those are the options as I see it.
And finally, if the insiders (Mitchell/Avery/King) feel very, very strongly about Favors becoming a Superstar, then they should forget the whole thing for now.
No deal offered?
I keep reading that no deal has been offered.
1). Why not?
2). If not now, then when can we expect a serious discussion to begin?
by Chakroot on Aug 31, 2010 9:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
MSG's college analyst reported that a deal has been offered.
We don’t know if Harris, Favors, and picks were offered, or if an offer was made at all.
But it does not seem very likely that that is the offer, since King is on vacation and other things could point to it being false.
IMO Melo without Paul is useless
If we want to put ourselves in position to win a championship we need both, otherwise we might as well just continue to rebuild from within.
I’m all for dealing a package (minus Lopez) for Melo and then trading Lopez for CP3, but I’m not in favor of one or the other rather than both.
JMO
CP3 seems overrated at this point. He hasn’t proven his value in getting a team to a championship anymore than Carmelo has
by Chakroot on Aug 31, 2010 9:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats a dream team ike the one in Miami 3 guys and a bunch of other guys
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25jxbe3
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek
Hump/May
Anthony/Outalw
Ross/Morrow
Paul/Farmar/Uzoh
TOP 3 C/SF/PG
It could be HOUSTON
It could be Houston….
Apparently, the Nugs are intrigued by Scola. You know what you’re getting and it’s a reasonable contract/value. Battier for cap purposes, is an expiring. That plus they have some intriguing draft choices. That’s the essence.
The Knicks present a fascinating option, don’t they? Amar’e for Melo. Pretty equal offensive talent. It would make for a great rivalry with the Suns.
Favors is certainly very intriguing, but very unproven as well.
It could be Houston, even without Scola.
Are you serious about that Knicks offer though??
They have Gallinari, Chandler, Curry, this 1st rounder in 2013, and yeah.
There is no way they’d trade Amar’e.
They’re trying to get Melo to join with Amar’e, and hopefully Paul too.
But that is highly unlikely.
By the way, I’m not saying that what they have to offer is the best the Nuggets could get.
Have you seen Scola's 5 year contract? What is the evidence that Denver wants that? Nuggets DO like the draft pick options that Knicks gave to Houston.
Who said that Knicks would trade Amare for Melo? The Knicks were offering Gallo.
Not sure that Nuggets would want Amare and his $100 million contract anyway.
What's not to like with Scola's contract?
Reasonable salary, reasonable length, solid play, good stats.
Knicks aren't offering Amare
He’s the whole selling point for Melo, as much as Melo would want to be here don’t know if he would sign an extension to play with Gallo, who would be on the bench. Actually he wouldn’t sign it Knicks are out of it unless he hits the free agent market. Scola’s contract is rough plus he’s getting old they want young players and contracts.
Reload and Rebuild
It’s the draft picks, that make Scola attractive.
Amar’e’s intriguing, the Knicks aren’t. It’s an easy deal to make, though. Amar’e’s injury risk is something the Nugs aren’t craving. Houston’s deal is better.
The information you back up for your points isn't very good.
How do draft picks make Scola attractive? Pretty much every deal offered will include draft picks.
The Knicks are intriguing; it’s New York, it’s Madison Square Garden.
Yes, the Houston deal is better, but not because of Scola. Houston won’t even be offering Scola.
Besides, both Scola and Amar’e have been signed for long-term deals by their respective teams.
Think about it...
The misperception may be in thinking the Nugs want to start over … from scratch. Not at all.
Players can always be injured. Would you want the risk of Amar’e at his salary or the risk of Scola at his. Nothing wrong with a new “long term” deal, which is five years. More plus than minus.
With Scola, the Nugs are strong at 4-5, with options for trading.
Intriguing draft picks plus a solid big man. As I said….
What’s not to like?
The Nuggets have to start over from scratch
once you lose your franchise guy, trying to stay in the middle of the pack is a fool’s game.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
The Denver Stiffs have a whopping 11 comments since they posted the Ujiri interview for the fans:
We can probably go over there and get that number up to 100.
They say that George Karl looks really thin now.
I think Coach Karl may convince Melo to “give it a try” at least to start the season.
RE-POSTING...
Get Melo for…
Devin+Outlaw+Humph+picks/cash
JF/Twill/Uzoh
Morrow/Ross
Melo/DJ/Hayes
Murphy/Favors/May
Brook/Petro/Zoubek
no we don't have 2 trade our best players i promise u
no team is trying to give away their young core of guys but us y idk? but the nets would b dumb to trade a bunch of young guys 4 melo no team is going to give up much 4 a player that isn’t going to stay in denver anyway so 4 us to b making a big push at melo is dumb.
i bet we can get melo by giving up murphy james and morrow or twill with picks and cash we won’t have to give up more.
think realistically no other team is going to offer more. if u think any other team is going to give up more let me know which team n who they will give up because i doubt it.
To be honest..
Losing Harris doesn’t bother me that much.. though I would like to see how the Aver/.Devin reunion goes. We do have a PG that costs 1/2 as much, who may be a better pure PG in Farmar. We also have T.Will who could be a very dynamic PG if he learns the position.
But we do need to get rid of Outlaw if we get Melo. It wouldn’t make sense to have a $7m back-up at SF, and some spot minutes at PF, for 20 minutes a night. D.James can handle that for a much cheaper price.
There was no evidence that Harris is included with Favors
The only referenced quote from league source is that Lopez is not under discussion. The Harris quote appears to be Rothstein’s guess.
http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/22616840322
Even HoopsHype is carrying the Rothstein tweets as their top story now:
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm
Perhaps Harris is being mentioned because it makes matching salaries easy.
Nets of course would demand getting Lawson back, which may not be appealing to Denver.
I still believe, as I have been saying for days now, that Favors is in the center of discussion.
Nets need to stand firm and not send any other quality players with Favors.
There are other options to get the cap space needed.
If Favors is the Key, Nuggets will back down eventually.
to me
Rothstein is making stuff up.
Sports Journalism is really at an all time low.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Murphy+James+Hump+Ross+2011 & GS 2012 1st round pick for CARMELO And Afflalo.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 31, 2010 10:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
why do we have to give up harris AND favors? not to mention the picks.
don’t do it billy. favors, lopez, and carmelo could form the best frontline in the league for years to come.
See above. They wouldn't do it without getting Lawson back. The Harris part doesn't cite any league source.
I believe the only reason to mention Harris is to match salaries easily.
They wouldn’t give up both Favors and Murphy at same time and Outlaw/Farmar aren’t available until December.
There are other options including Hump+Hayes or agreeing to drag this on until December.
There is no way that the Nets give up Harris AND Favors
without Lawson coming back this way.
I refuse to believe that King would be that stupid.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't need, don't want Melo
Short story about LaLa’s influence.
by Doesthishurt on Aug 31, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LaLa(Alani) also grew up in Piscataway, NJ
The general public may be ignorant to this fact, but the girl is a New Jerseyan just like us.
She knows that there are wonderful communities here where they can raise their family, or they could live directly in the city.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't really believe denver will trade carmelo
this situation is just too similar with kobe saga when he almost got traded to the bulls few years ago.
I am half way and believe this will drag on for months, once Coach Karl convinces Melo to delay any decision.
By mid December there will be more options for all sides, but LaLa’s influence + Favors could make Nets the front runner.
The longer the Nuggets wait...
The less leverage they have & return they’ll get. It’s too risky for them. They need to decide now. They either deal him before the season starts or play hard ball & keep him the whole season.
The biggest risk they take is major progress in the CBA negotiations. If the uncertainty is removed, & max salaries haven’t decreased by much, Melo no longer needs a sign and trade.
Additionally, if they get out to a slow start, Melo gets more disgruntled, and they get more desperate to get something in return.
As long as there are 2 or 3 teams to bid with, the price will remain high for Melo.
However, whether now or later, Melo has to approve of trade, so Denver can’t force the issue too much.
And if Melo hasn’t signed an extension, there is no way that Nuggets don’t trade him before the February deadline.
Keeping Melo unsigned for the whole season is NOT an option.
no, this is different
Kobe wanted out because he believed that Buss and Kupchek had lied to him about the direction that the team was headed in. He also wanted some talent on the team.
Anthony just wants out of Denver, period.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If it's Favors & Harris
I would not be surprised to see Harris going to a 3rd team that’s itching for a PG (Portland, Charlotte, etc.).
Something like:
That would indicate that Harris would be included just to make salaries match, which shouldn't be necessary.
If Harris is traded, Nets would want Lawson back, which I doubt Nuggets would want to do.
The Nuggets will need to get realistic
No one is destroying their roster for one player. I doubt there is even any precedent for something like that.
This new GM…whatever his name is…he is about to get taken to the woodshed whether he likes it or not.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I read somewhere that Denver's new G.M.
is an “expert” in international B-Ball but does not have any real experience in the NBA…
Lets take him to the “cleaners” first… then take him back to the “woodshed”…
Sometimes it’s better to clean someone’s clock first before you start rummaging around in their pockets, but that works for me.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
that's reasonable
i still would like to see us keep favors! harris will be missed for sure. i’m hoping the nets publicly deem favors and lopez as untouchables(most likely won’t happen). given billy king’s history of bad trades, i’m worried about him giving up too much.
Help start a discussion at the Denver Stiffs as they have a new topic just up
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2010/8/31/1662005/5-tips-for-josh-kroenke#storyjump
We need to let Nuggets know where we stand.
and start a war? As soon as we start telling the truth the insults will start flying and i'm not taking any crap
sigh. but if you’re game, I’m down.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a Charles Bronson movie...
I wouldn’t advise going over there again, but if you do, be “gentle” with them. They are a bunch of self admitting stiffs after all… LOL
I only give back what's been given to me
I kept the convo over there civil and light hearted until someone had the nerve to call me and jerry “foolish”.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
yo guys Yi is having an amazing worlds right now
and he’s being double teamed everytime…
i really really don’t like the Yi trade
and especially with Favors going out on a melo trade…
the kid is a kid and seriously…he’s bound to find his game one day…
Have no fear, Yi will return to old form when he plays in NBA. He will be 26 years old soon. He isn't going to suddenly turn into a butterfly.
Yi is the main player for China. Yet he only had 7 rebounds in the loss to Puerto Rico today.
And there is no evidence he can play any defense.
Yi played great last year too
You guys need to let Yi go.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
A new reference has now been added above by NI, that correctly states that Lopez isn't being included in Nets talks.
http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/22616840322
However, the HoopsWorld article can’t resist to try to get Brook in the discussion anyway, even after they correctly state that Melo wouldn’t come to the Nets without Lopez being there, but he wouldn’t reject coming to Nets without Favors (a longer term project).
It is just amazing how writers try to make up stories without evidence.
The only evidence is that Brook is not in discussion (per League Source). Let’s stop talking about Brook and focus on Favors.
but are fighting including lopez...Harris, Favors, and picks are package."
I don’t get it what is that meant to mean. They’re fighting amongst themselves about who to include, trying to to include them. What I don’t understand the way its phrased.
That line isn's stated as from League Source - therefore it is no more factual than what we propose.
All we know is that Marc Spears had quoted a League Source (before the GM hire) that Nuggets were “asking for the world”, with no mention of any team. We now know that Lopez is off limits.
plus these reports defy all logic
yeah, like the Nets would really gut the team to do this.
If Favors is included, then that is the best they are getting out of the deal. No Harris, and I don’t even think that we should send another draft pick. If they want Harris, then Anthony and Lawson are proper compensation for losing Favors and harris
But I am scared to trade Favors. It could be a grave mistake that could haunt us for years.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I definitely agree.
I feel Favors could really become something special.
Unfortunately, some here do not.
Replace the "..." with a period
it that that’s how it is meant to be understood. "…fighting including Lopez. (period) Harris, Favor plus picks are the package offered.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Sep 1, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i think the nets should offer
T-Will and Favors and a the GS 1st round pick for melo
that benefits both teams
Nuggets get twill who plays can play the same position as melo and a young stud in Favors at the pf positon which they are kinda old at, kmart and al harrington are not too young any moreNets get to keep devin, who i think will have a real good season this year, and we get a superstar at sf
That is way too much, IMO
If we have to include Favors or Harris, Denver shouldn’t get much more than cap relief and maybe another pick, possibly not even the GS pick.
If they want to take Williams and James, then we can spice up the deal with picks out of the wazoo. But for Favors? No.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I say keep Devin, remember how he played with Vince?
But giving up Favors….
by Andrew Garcia on Sep 1, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No to Melo!
No high maintenance divas on the new Nets! Let him take his immature, criminal, shot chucking, annoying wife having, sense of entitlement talents elsewhere!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 1, 2010 7:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'll put to it like this
Melo or no Melo we will still be a good team. If Melo comes he will be a piece, not a force. If not then will look forward to seeing Favors, T-Will and D.James develop. So its still a win, win thing unless these players become flat out horriable
Dre Day all day
Melo is a force
No matter what team he’s on. He wouldn’t be just the piece, he would be the FOCAL point of the team. You build around players like that, not have them just come and contribute.
The way our team currently stands, we win about as many games at the Knicks last year. Maybe a few more.
Sure
Melo would instantly become the franchise player the Nets now lack and would be a huge loss for Denver, which is why the Nuggets naturally want the world in exchange for him. So the offers and counter-offers are about to fly and as Chakroot says below, all this kibbitzing amounts to whistling in the dark.
does any remember the brawl?
between the knicks and nuggets? does anyone remember carmelo’s right hook? does anyone remember him running away immediately after landing that punch?
what does this say about him… not as a player on the court, but as a superstar potentially representing our team? then this whole mess with forcing a trade.
i love the guys game, i’m just not willing to adopt the culture that he would bring to the locker room, especially with our young talent. spend long enough time in the locker room with guys like JR smith and even allen iverson and those personalities start to influence other members of the team.
I think you're overevaluating his maturity. Sure, he can be immature, but he's definitely not a
J.R. Smith or an Allen Iverson.
He could just fit in with the young guys(even though he’s pretty much older than everyone except Murphy).
Nooooo he's not immature...
A DWI, marijuana bust, brawl at MSG (in which he threw a cheap shot and ran), and an appearance in the “Stop Snitchin” video advocating violence against people who cooperate with the police.
Former Nets were harshly criticized on this site for MUCH less than what this clown did.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Sep 1, 2010 8:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
John
you bring up a very good point. It is a bit funny that people are willing to overlook melo’s transgressions while trying to paint people like CDR and Terrence as criminal thugs because they ran their mouth on twitter or displayed immaturity that doesn’t even touch some of the stuff Anthony has been involved with.
That said, I guess you’d be willing to dance with the devil if the Devil can score 30 a game and hit clutch shots.
I’m wary about his maturity level and how it will work with Johnson. But IMO, this new crop of stars causing this upheavel in the NBA for the most part are a bunch of knuckleheads in the first place outside of Dwyane Wade.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't think wade is immune to any of this..
if anything he’s a puppet master pulling the strings from behind the scenes. how else did carlos boozer end up in chicago?
I thought that was Lebron’s people that put the bug in CHI and NJ’s ear to max out boozer and lebron would consider coming?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing Wade is guilty of is being a middleman in blatant tampering
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i just remember there was a point in time where wade had meeting(s) with chicago, seemingly leaning towards returning to his hometown, again (possibly with lebron).
to say wade is above the other clowns is unfair. he’s as deep into as anyone else. hell, he could’ve been taking meetings with every team just to scout them out for pat riley. (which btw i think DID happen)
yes
see above. Wade was the middleman.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah we posted that at the same time. its off topic, but i think it is telling given the NBA culture that has shown its ugly side more recently.
i dont know if melo is the same monster as the miami beach boys
yeah
he may not give a damn about championships.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Do three guys that have trashed
the NBA so badly, acted so immature and irresponsibly really care about a championship?
Jordan cared about the championships. Kobe cares. These clowns? I think they care more about ‘living the life’ and ‘being the man’ and enhancing their ‘brand’.
I just don’t see how someone who has disrespected the league in such an atrocious way, committed (IMO) crimes against competitiveness and basically spied on other teams and used every dirty unheard of method to create a super best friends team really cares about championships.
I mean, they care because they want to be remembered and egos and stuff. But not like MJ cared, because he respected the game and wanted to be the best.
I fell like Wade, Lebron and Bosh would cheat and do whatever it takes to win a chip so they can live on as ‘the man’. Whereas a MJ I think wouldn’t feel proud of winning something when he cheated and played dirty and disrespected the game. Maybe I’m naive.
no you nailed it
in “jordan rides the bus” his competitive edge even showed through. he said, “if you’re good enough, you should be playing (baseball), but i don’t want to be here just because i am michael jordan. if i don’t deserve the spot, then i should not have it.” or something to that effect.
these clowns act like they have already paid their dues, and now because they are who they are, deserve preferential treatment (even when they know what they did was “wrong”). jordan would NEVER pull this. but i also think that this is lebron’s way of saying, “i’m not michael and i never will be… i’m lebron and this is how lebron does things.”
i mean, people HATED michael for retiring from bball just to try his hand at baseball. then he came back and silenced his critics.
maybe lebron will crawl back to cleveland one day with his tail between his legs and say, “i’m sorry. can i come back now?”
they have a sense of entitlement
At least, James and Bosh do. Wade went out, got his title, and has never, by my knowledge at least, ever quit on the Miami Heat in the manner that Lebron and Bosh did to their former teams. I can’t blame Wade for being the middleman in NBA sanctioned tampering(Stern knows what the heck is going on, he knows that his league is now being run by a small group of thugs in suits and he does nothing because he’s thinking about his bottom line…Stern’s hands are just as dirty as everyone else’s IMO), in fact, it was a shrewd and smart move, and now he has two superstars, one of whom is the 2nd best player on the planet, willingly languishing in his shadow because they are mentally weak. I’m not mad at Wade also for the simple fact that the Nets and Wade met with each other out of sheer courtesy, I doubt there was anything serious between either side. Lebron on the other hand…he could have at least given us the heads up…or maybe he did, since Prokhorov was 100% correct in ‘predicting’ that Lebron would join the Heat. Prokho also said nice things about James after the fact. We still don’t know how much Jay Z knew about Lebron’s motives. It makes for good theater.
Anywho…these guys don’t want to work hard for a title, period, James, Bosh, Paul…they all think that it should be given to them on a silver platter. Part of me thinks that Anthony doesn’t give a damn really either way. He seems different. Scoring against high level competition comes easy to him…if you remember what he did in the NCAA, it was a joke to him, he was laughing everytime he scored. I don’t think he really gives a hoot if he is an NBA Champion or not, maybe just doing what’s best for him and his family is what matters. The most focused and dedicated I’ve ever seen Anthony is when he wanted to win in the Olympics. He took that personally. The NBA, I don’t know.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
rhetorical question of the year:
what good is a player who does not seek championships to a team DETERMINED to win a championship in the next 5-10 years?
(if, in fact, he DOES NOT seek the ring)
good point
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you're on to something
Give me four or five NON superstar players but high level guys like Harris etc. who are hungry and determined to win and prove themselves over a lazy pampered Superstar who is not determined to win a ring ANYDAY.
I like our chances with hungry guys willing to play hard and play as a team then handing over the team to a primadonna who doesn’t care about winning a ring (probably because if he did care he might have to deal with the dissapointment and frustration of failing to get a ring) and who wants the easy life.
Yeesh. This sport is becoming a joke.
Also Wade gave teams false hope when he already knew he was staying in South Beach. I remember watching all this FA stuff. We didnt know what the hell was going on. Wade claimed to be going to Chicago, his hometown. Then made a statement to the Knicks fans stating “im in a new york state of mind”. When they heard that the Knicks thought they may have a shot, I thought they had a shot. He knew what he was doing, he knew where he was going to play and who was coming. So why go through all of this
Dre Day all day
thank you john
this dude isn’t a leader as someone said he isn’t a force but a piece.
all he does is score. hell t-mac did that how far did the magic get???
by killa kadafi191 on Sep 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope this thing drags out
i would rather us beable to examine our talent and use any player we want then be stuck with close to 30 mill at the SF position
by nwkiddnj on Sep 1, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The longer it drags about...
The lower the price for Anthony…Like Net Income posted above about Toronto and Vince Carter. Once teams know your desperate the value drops.
what about trading outlaw?
get rid of that questionable contract… (put that whole debate to rest)
can d.james fill in behind melo?
Talk about putting the cart before the horse...
Lets first get Melo before we start trading Outlaw. You think Outlaw is going to be pissed if Anthony takes his starting gig? I do…
Outlaw should be happy he's being paid 7 per
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure we'd all rather trade Outlaw and other pieces, but we can't trade him until Dec. 15.
I don’t know if Denver would want him either.
As Mike said as well, I wouldn’t be surprised if Outlaw is going to be pissed.
That would be very funny...
A player before his first game, of a 5 year contract, demanding a trade!
Luckily Outlaw is not that type of guy. Probably will handle it with class, but I’m sure he would be disappointed. One of the reasons he signed with the Nets, beside the money, was to get a shot at playing as a starter. He has been a sixth man for so many years and he still only 25.
you guys are talking about trading Outlaw, give this man a chance to play for Johnson and Mitchell. We dont know what we have yet, all we have are names. All im saying dont be so quick to trade a piece that could and valuable asset to the team
Dre Day all day
The Outlaw signing
some of the crap being thrown at it is just stupid, IMO. Let the kid prove his worth.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you get Carmelo and Move Outlaw that is a win for us
If nuggets would take Outlaw and T-will and picks thats better than T-will, Harris and Picks (2 possible starters).
I think that is all people are saying, Outlaw is a guy that if we have no Melo we want him to be our starter. But if we have Melo i dont want him on our Team i would rather keep james
+1
most people say we should give up on free agents and follow the OKC model of building through the draft.
well, maybe we can have both, so long as we don’t just include draft picks as space-fillers in some trade. give away players. let the potential stay where it is until our team is in a position to realize that potential to its fullest.
trade away the guys we already know about (good, bad, or whatever), at least we know where they stand and we’re not gambling on a players “possible” value.
keep favors. keep t-will. keep d james. keep morrow even.
lets see what they can do first. “missing out” on carmelo is a far better alternative to disbanding our future stars for a shot at melo.
No Thanks
I’m good with the team we have. Now let’s focus on the the develop of our young players to maybe land carmelo in Free Agency
Denver 's management team are "whistling in the dark"...
Def: = “being confident that something good will happen when it is not at all likely”.
this summer
has taught me that until a contract is signed, all we do with sports is “whistle in the dark”
well...to give up so much for Melo
who i think is not better than VC when he was traded to the Nets would be a mistake.
U need all these pieces including Harris if you want to win.
But imagine if Brook was playing with VC, RJ, and Jkidd couple of years back…
that would’ve been amazing to watch
who i think is not better than VC when he was traded to the Nets would be a mistake.
agreed
granted VC wasn’t a guy who would lead you to a title and whose offensive efficiency melt down some times in the playoffs (pretty much like Carmelo), at least he was a much more versatile player and the overall better player, IMO (while in his prime, of course). He could shoot the three and was also a muuuuuuuuuch better passer than Anthony. If his offensive game wasn’t working, he could help you in other departments. That’s not Anthony’s case.
True
that Vince could pass shoot the three and Pass, but he relied on his athleticism to score most of his points Carmelo uses his strength and Quickness. 2004-2007 Nets didn’t have a good coach unless you think Lawrence frank is one and didn’t have a big man unless you think Lopez is not good enoug. In Dallas Avery’s big three was Dirk, Howard and Terry in New Jersey he would have Lopez, Anthony and Harris(all-satr version) the Nets would still have a good bench Morrow, Outlaw, Farmar May and Petro Avery Finals team bench was Daniels, Stackhouse, Harris, Powell and Diop that not a big difference so far Affalo vs. Griffin and Favors(Hopefully a 10 8 year at least) vs. Dampier as starters still not a big difference. It’s all in the coaches Power. Avery Johnson knows how to direct and prepare a team the right way somethig Karl, Frank or KIKI don’t know none of.
George Karl?
George Karl, who coached the Supersonics to the 1996 NBA Finals?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Sep 1, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You sound stunned that was like 100 years ago
and his top 5 players played like every game so……..
Yea as a was saying George Karl in near past and present has never had a team that allowed less than 100ppg are you serious people can’t blame it all on Melo.
He's a heck of a coach on offense
but defensively not better than Avery seasons of 93.0 ppg multiple times in near past plus multiple 60 win seasons. Karl best defensive years in near past have been with Chauncey a DEFENSIVE minded PG and they still give up 100 ppg thats seven points thats alot. All im saying you give Avery a guy that can easily give 25ppg like in dallas with Notwitzki or Anthony hopefully in Nets and two guys that can give you 18ppg Terry and Howard Lopez and Harris in NJ and a good bench you can’t tell me he is not going to have a good year and it would be better to keep two guys who haven’t proven themselves T-Will and James and Murphy well you said it yourself I can go back to the threads no need to trade C-lee so I know you wouldn’t mind trading Murphy, James and T-Will for Anthony and Afflalo(C-lee clone).
True.
Vince could take over as the main play maker and have everyone playing off of him. He was a GREAT passer and facilitator for his position. He could also help you in rebounding. He had many double digit rebound games for us.
Ok Now what?
Jersey here he comes…hopefully for anyone but Harris, Favors , Twill and BLo.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/447184-carmelo-anthony-sells-denver-home-now-what
Go Nets!
if we trade for melo
Harris, james and picks are the most I would give and that’s now. If favors is playing well I would give up less. If james and favors are playing well then imo we don’t need melo
by msm2 on Sep 1, 2010 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The GMs who are after carmello needs to make it clear to the Denver organization that they are in the driver’s seat.
The bulls are doing the right thing by low balling these guys. The talk of favors, harris plus picks for carmello is insane…Melo will not sign an extension with the nets if both of these guys are shipped out for him.
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