Nets In the Mix for 'Melo...But Price Could Be High, as in Brook Lopez
by Net Income on Aug 28, 2010 7:19 AM EDT
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PrintFred Kerber writes the Nets are legitimate contenders for Carmelo Anthony if, as expected, he and the Nuggets make him available...but the price could be high, as in Brook Lopez high.
After talking to numerous movers and shakers around the NBA, Kerber reports the Nets are "very interested" although they haven't had discussions yet with Denver. "The price of course would be steep," he adds. "One team insider intimated that for a player of Anthony's stature, no current Net would be deemed untouchable, including Brook Lopez."
However, an opposing team executive suggests to Kerber that 'Melo, who has some leverage in the matter, might not want to play for a Nets team that doesn't include Lopez.
As Stefan Bondy writes, the Nuggets are likely to wait to see who gives them the best offer for Anthony and in fact a bidding war may very well break out for a player who would meet Mikhail Prokhorov's definition of the "very best of the best". Meanwhile, Sam Amico of NBA.com tweets that "Early word around NBA is Nuggets will try to trade Carmelo to 1 of 3 teams: Wolves, Kings, Nets. In other words, careful what you wish for." The three teams had the three worst records in the NBA last season.
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Yup figured as much
I think our offer will be one of the better ones because we can load it with draft picks, but we’ll see.
I also wonder whether Melo would play without Lopez. He’s really the only “untouchable” in that sense.
by eLonepb on Aug 28, 2010 7:23 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Fans make this too complicated Nets won't give up Lopez some people don't know what they are talking about.
Nets best offer without breaking up the core is
Favors (he could be a bust 3 years to develope you never know)
James( No need for him if they bring in Carmelo and they have Outlaw)
Hayes (Re-sign him to 5 Milion or So)
Boone (Sign him to his cap hold 6.2 Million)
And 3 Million in cash and Some Picks
The team would be
Lopez/Petro
Murphy/May/Hump
Anthony/Outlaw(he can play most of the time at the 4 where he belongs)
Williams/Morrow/Ross
Harris/Farmar
No way they throw Lopez in that mix
Anyone else outside of him is plausible, since i think as long as Brook is here Melo would be willing to play here. But without him, what would we or Melo have really? No way he’s putting himself through that
What leverage does Denver have? Why would we include lopez when we could just outright sign melo in free agency without losing any of our key pieces
by Asent13191 on Aug 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Melo somehow hits free agency...
he’ll sign with the Knicks ahead of us. He won’t hit free agency though. It’s too big of a gamble for him financially.
The way I see it is if he is willing to sign an extention with us, I would not outright put the knicks ahead of anyone, meaning if he hits freeagency he is not only thinking Knicks. Also finacially, we see that money is not te biggest issue with these players anymore
by Asent13191 on Aug 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly
the point is having Anthony and Lopez play TOGETHER.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I've said from the beginning
I really don’t think the Nets are hanging up the phone immediately if Brook Lopez gets mentioned…
by eLonepb on Aug 28, 2010 8:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It makes zero sense
for Melo or the Nets to trade star for star. With Lopez and Favors, Melo has the chance to attract CP3 for contention. Without Lopez, he might as well head to the Clips.
Yup, salaries need to match, so it'll be Lopez plus Devin or Murphy plus picks
in which case, why would Melo want to come here?
I'm sure Denver would love that
But the Nets would be foolish to give up all that for Melo. This is starting to make me uneasy.
by BrooklynNets on Aug 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Trading from a position of weakness. Denver is bent over right now, they have to make a move or lose out. The Nets dont. Lopez is not going anywhere i will put money on that. King would be a fool to even listen to any request for a top 10 young center.
We have a team of players that want to be here, flexibility and picks. The deck is stacked in the Nets favor. Proky wants a star but he isnt hasty and wont do something to jeapordize the future of this team. AJ and king will make a decent offer and Denver will have to take it or go elsewhere.
Netincome, if Murphy was to be traded for salary purposes and then bought out how long would he have to wait b4 rejoining the Nets if this was to take place in the offseason???
by power_njerz on Aug 28, 2010 7:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you're missing something
you assume the Nets would be dealing with the Nuggets in a vacuum. There will be a BIDDING WAR among a LOT of teams, particularly those who lost out on LeBron.
Nuggets wouldn’t cut Murphy.
I understand that but the Lot of teams comes down to who Melo will do a S&T with. if he wants to be in the nyc area its us. That suits everyone. He is not going to play in Kobes shadow in LA.
I think we are the front runners by a long way. Plus what other packages are there really for a team thats going to rebuild??
If they wouldnt cut Murphy then no way i even touch this. Our front court will be horrible without him.
It's not his decision
The card is being played by the Nuggets front office right now.. Melo is just watching..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 28, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is. If he says he won’t sign an extension with said team then the team won’t trade for him knowing the risks. You didn’t get the memo? The players run the league now.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
I just realized that Denver also has to do something or
They might end up like the Cavs.
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 28, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Their fans and their owner can talk tough
but they are in denial. They have been strong armed by the same cartel that created the 2010-2011 Miami Heat, and the same Cartel of suit wearing thugs that forced New Orleans to trade a stud PG prospect to appease Chris Paul.
David Stern has lost control of his league to a small group of people with heavy influence among his young flock of 20 something stars. That is clear.
What is also clear, is that these thugs will also dictate where Anthony goes, and who he plays with.
If anyone thinks for a second that these guys would want Anthony playing here without Brook Lopez, they are delusional.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. That is why I didn't waste my time reading any stories that include trading Brook.
Melo’s Veto power will prevent a bidding war, as long as he utilizes his own power.
BTW, over at Denver Stiffs, they say Melo is still in China (away from the controversy).
it WILL be a bidding war
but NI, at the end of the day, whoever presents the best package and still has enough left to compete will win, because that’s the only way he agrees to an S&T
If the Nets’ package includes their best player, we can forget it.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yes he does
so if money was the #1 factor in this, why not sign the extension and stay in Denver?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
See I disagree. Melo has already narrowed down his possible destinations to about six teams. Four of those teams don’t have much to offer (Knicks, Rockets, Warriors and Bobcats). Two of those teams have a lot to offer (Nets and Clippers), but if the price gets too steep I don’t think King will bend. I’m also not sure how the Clippers would faciliate a sufficient deal in terms of the combination of talent and contracts going to the Nuggets.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
King has no reason to bend
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Say what you will about Rod Thorn
But this was what he was really good at.
Rockets could give the best package
from a talent standpoint.
by BrooklynNets on Aug 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
the rockets would have to gut their core
and Yao is on his last legs.
Whoever gives Denver equal value has cajones, I’ll say that much
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks? Martin?
and even then, IMO that’s still not giving up as much as giving up a top 5 player at his position in Brook Lopez
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rockets are out
Anthony isn’t going to play there. I don’t care what source you cite, he’s not playing for a team in Houston. Might as well stay in Denver.
But what can each team give?
Clippers wont give up Griffin for Melo. Kaman is good but already in his prime and has two years left on his contract at about $12 mil. I think Murphy would be about 90% comparable in terms of trade value, especially being in the last year of the deal. If the Nets throw decent talent (i.e Devin and Twill), picks, and cap relief they should be able to match the clips.
Clippers do have Eric Gordon and Al-Farouq Aminu as solid trade bait. But Gordon has been inconsistent and will already be in the 3rd year of rookie contract. Remember that Denver wants cap relief if they do a rebuild. They’re paying the luxury tax right now, which has been a difficult burden for ownership to keep up. Aminu is obviously a rookie under contract for four years and has tremendous upside. But he is also seen as being very raw and a tweener. It would probably come down to how Denver’s talent evaluators saw these two guys. Of course the Clips have significant cap space to reduce Denver’s financial burden, an asset the Nets forfeited in acquiring Troy Murphy.
If the Rockets were willing to throw in Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks, Denver might be willing to listen to Houston. However Martin’s contract would tie up Denver’s cap space for years. The Rockets would either have to include the expiring contracts of Battier or Jeffries (which Denver doesn’t really want) and/or include either Jordan Hill, Patrick Patterson, or Courtney Lee (Houston gives up A LOT of cheap talent). The Rockets also have that conditional Knicks pick which could be very enticing for the Nugs.
Actually, now that I think of it, we would have to include Favors or Lopez. Ugh, I wish this was happening at the trade deadline and we had a better read on our team.
by BrooklynNets on Aug 28, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
why do you omit draft picks
in your analysis when word is that they specifically want picks.
The Nets got Vince Carter for Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, Alonzo Mourning and two first round picks.
Because I was to lazy to look it up before.
But here it is:
The Rockets do not have many draft picks to use as trade assets. They have the option to switch their 2011 1st Round draft pick with the Knicks. I never like complimenting the Knicks but it is not inconceivable that they would make the 2011 playoffs with the addition of A’mare. Considering the Rockets with Melo would most likely be a high seed in the Western Conference, neither pick looks to appealing to Denver. Similarly, Houston has the option to swap their 2011 2nd Round draft pick with the Clippers. In 2012 all the Rockets could offer is their own 1st rounder (they do not have a 2nd rounder).
The Clippers have much more to offer but all their picks have conditions that may or may not reduce their value. The Clippers own their 2011 1st Round pick and the Timberwolves 2011 1st round pick. The Minnesota pick looks great but it is protected 1-10 in 2011 (meaning Minnesota will almost definitely retain it next year). In 2012 however, that pick will be unprotected and could quite possibly be a top pick. This is the Clippers’ best asset, in my opinion. The Clippers also own the Pistons 2011 2nd Round pick but must swap 2nd rounders with the Rockets upon Houston’s discretion, as mentioned above. The Clippers owe Oklahoma City their 2012 1st Round pick or the lesser of their pick or Minnesota’s 2012 pick (provided Minnesota retains the pick in 2011). The Clippers do not have a 2nd rounder from 2013-2016.
The Nets have the most picks in the NBA. They have all 3 first rounders the next 3 years (although like all these teams with Melo they are less attractive). The Nets have the Warriors 2011 2nd Round pick in addition to their own. The best asset they have is the Warriors 1st Round draft pick (protected through 7 in 2012 and 2013, through 6 in 2014 or 2nd rounders in 2014 and 2016). That pick could be potentially as high as Minnesota’s pick, but who knows? The Nets also retain the rights to both the Chicago Bulls and Miami Heats 2012 2nd Round picks in addition to their own second rounders.
Here are some packages that I think you could realistically see from each team (although I am sure the actual trade will not look like any of these).
Rockets send Kevin Martin, Chuck Hayes, Jordan Hill and the rights to either their own 2011 1st rounder or the Knicks to Denver for Carmelo. The Nuggets save roughly 3 million dollars ($1.5 million difference in salaries X2 for luxury tax). Hayes contract is expiring.
The Clippers send Chris Kaman and Aminu the Minnesota pick and the Detroit 2nd rounder to Denver for Carmelo Anthony. Denver saves $5.6 million ($2.8 million X2 for luxury tax). You could throw Eric Gordon as a substitute for Aminu or both of them (but then Denver adds to their luxury tax hit).
The Nets send Devin Harris, Terrence Williams, Humphries the both warriors picks and maybe also the Nets pick 1st rounder in 2011. Denver saves $8.5 million ($2.75 million in salary difference X2 plus $3 million thrown in from Big Mike). Humphries contract is also expiring.
I think the Rockets offer looks the worst when factoring in draft picks. The Nets may have the least talent to give up (depending on your view of Devin). The Clippers can offer a good package that keeps them competitive, but would Melo want to play there? Given the money saving, picks, and potential in Williams and Harris the Nets could make a competitive offer without giving up Favors or Lopez.
**Thanks to RealGM for the information on draft picks.
by BrooklynNets on Aug 28, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nets send Devin Harris, Terrence Williams, Humphries the both warriors picks and maybe also the Nets pick 1st rounder in 2011.
and they would be left with the worst backcourt in the history of bball
we'd have to trade the entire rest of the team for him
cause we’d have nothing of value left
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
about 30 days if he got bought out.
Lopez and Favors should stay as a Net IMO.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 28, 2010 9:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HELL NO!!!
Melo is not a player that will make a team a conternder overnight and you need big men to win. It’s harder to find a big man than a scorer. What sense would it make to bring in Melo who basically is just a scorer and not have a team around him that can win right away? I’m not trading Brook.
by djsupreme on Aug 28, 2010 7:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I understand Kerber's point but...
whoever that “team executive” is, he’s right
Why would Melo want to come to a Nets team that does NOT have Brook Lopez? No one in support of this theory can answer this question. This is the same point I’ve been bringing up since the nonsense started…does anyone REALLY think that Carmelo Anthony would agree to a sign and trade to the NETS if our best player is going the other way? Hell NO.
it defies logic. Yeah, people think, okay to get a player of that caliber we have to give up Lopez, but Anthony will balk at playing for the Nets with Johan Petro at center.
JOHAN PETRO AT CENTER
Yeah, I’m sure that name has Melo itching to extend with the Nets
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Mr DB, Melo is in China making a movie. I wonder if he’s working on his acting skills for an upcoming ESPN special The Decision II :)
i hope not lol
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Lopez would have to be packaged with Devin or Murphy plus picks to match salary
in which case, Melo would NOT be interested. NO DEAL.
A 3rd team may have to be brought into this mix.
I say this and i really mean it……If we trade Brook for Melo i QUUIT!!! 20yrs of being a Nets fan will end as soon as i hear that news. I will go and root for the spurs and Thunder, teams that know how to grow from within and add the right pieces at the right time.
Brook Lopez is our hope.
The Nets fans believe there’s a bright future because of brook. You rarely pick an all-star center with the 10th pick. No please.. it will be against everything that we hope for. Brook for me is still untouchable.
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
This is absolutely foolish
Sometimes I wonder how these reporters even have jobs. 2 simple facts..
FACT 1: The Nuggets are in a position of weakness. Get SOMETHING for Carmelo, or get NOTHING for Carmelo. In theory, this could mean that a simple 2nd round pick would do the trick, but there will obviously be a bidding war. The bidding war, however, is offset by fact #2..
FACT 2: Carmelo is a free agent after this season. Meaning, he can flat out say “I aint resigning wit u jokers” if he is traded to a team he doesn’t like. What IDIOT GM would give up anything of value in that case? Carmelo is holding all the marbles. Again, in theory, he could possibly say “I wanna be a Knick. This year, next year, I dont give a damn. Either you trade me to NY for a 2027 pick, or I’ll wait till next year”. Once again, this offset by the pending CBA, which will prohibit Carmelo to flex this much muscle.
At the end of the day, it will be somewhere in the middle. Simple formula.. 2 draft picks, and either 2 good youngins, or 1 really good youngin. That has been the formula for ages guys. Brook is a potential SUPERSTAR! He scores, rebounds, blocks, and hasn’t missed a game yet (knock on wood). Carmelo scores and can be a headcase. I don’t do that deal straight up even with a Denver 1st rounder thrown in!
Murphy or Harris have to go in any deal. If they take Harris, we throw in James, some rubbish, and the picks. If they take Murphy, we’ll have to throw in Twill. Personally, as much as I would love to see Harris play under Avery again.. I wouldn’t mind a Harris, Hump, James, 2011 and 2013 pick trade with Twill leading the point for us.
by KingofDenial on Aug 28, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
This is what i’ve BEEN SAYING.
Kerber should be ashamed that he even wrote this nonsense.
There is no reason why the Nets should or would trade Brook Lopez
top 5 centers do not fall out of trees.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it will happen
but it is NOT outside the realm of possibility.
Hearing the same thing Kerber is writing.
that's fine
so tell me, why would Carmelo Anthony agree to a S&T to the Nets if that’s the case?
That makes no sense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he wouldn't
But maybe he would? If he says he’ll sign an extension even without Lopez, the Nets will have to make that tough choice.
and then, we'd be stuck in the middle of the pack...or worse IMO.
It doesn’t make sense for Anthony or us to do something like that
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
we’d be settling for mediocrity and so will Carmelo, how long until he forces a trade outta here then?
exactly
IMO, we could possibly end up being worse off doing that trade in the long run
If we have to give up Lopez, and end up being capped out in the process, I’d rather not do it.
That’s a HEAVY price to pay just to say we qualified as a 4th seed in the East every year.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i hear you Mr. DB
and i would love to have melo & lopez. however, if you were drafting a team from the ground up and could pick either melo or brook right now, who do you pick?
personally, i would take melo- but i don’t think it’s outrageous if some folks would disagree w/ me on that
imagine something extremely witty here
Lopez vs. Melo
Lopez
-22 years old
-2 years left on rookie deal, then a restricted FA
Melo
-26 years old
-17m this year, then 3 years $65m
Taking those factors into account, it’s not so night and day.
Meanwhile, what good will Melo do for us over the next 4 years with Miami and LAL?
We need to think about the future.. as in Favors and Lopez.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 28, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
dammit NI
Stop stoking the flames of despair.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no flame stoking
As I said from day 1, before his name was even mentioned, Lopez would be on the table.
There’s just no way Lopez compares to the value of Melo to a franchise from the eyes of an owner.
Melo is 10 times the “value” of Lopez, at least.
Dude what are you talking about? Lopez is one of the best big men in the league and he is only goin to get better. Melo is a better player but he is not a better “value.” What does that even mean? It’s not like he is a first or second year player making league minimum he is getting a ton of cash. If the Nets deal Lopez and get Anthony they will only be marginally better and the deal really will not accomplish anything. Lopez should be untouchable and the only way I would do a deal for Melo is the Nuggets would be willing to take other players besides B-Lo.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 29, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and if what you're hearing is true
perhaps I’ve been giving the Nets front office too much credit?
We trade Lopez in a deal for Anthony, we’d probably end up being worse than the Nuggets are now.
Sorry, I have a hard time believing that the Nets would be that stupid and Anthony would want to play for a team with Johan Petro as his starting center.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
according to Ralph Lawler (the voice of the Clips), they won’t offer neither Griffin nor Gordon, their owner doesn’t want to lose their 2 young stars. If the Nets would even consider moving Lopez then you’re right, we’ve been giving them too much credit, even the Clips’ front office knows better than that, LOL!
I read it a clippers forum
“Me? I’d give up anything But Griffin and Gordon. If they were left with those 2 plus a 26 year old Carmello – the franchise would be set for years to come. They’ve developed enough depth over the summer to be very competitive right away, I think. It is going to be Interesting”.
“I see no reason DJ could not be effective in a line-up that included Anthony, Griffin, Gordon and Baron with Foye, Gomes, Smith, Bledsoe, Cook, Butler, Warren, et al off the bench. They are in the market for another Big and that spot will get addressed b4 camp opens. I hate to get this excited about a would-be trade that will face fierce competition, but these are the Dog Days of August – so what the heck”?
“Believe me, the owner does not want to lose either of his young stars”.
“Anthony has been on the radar since June. I kept telling everyone that the club was still working on getting better rather than done for the summer. This has been a large part of that work but nothing could happen until the player decided his future was Not in Denver. I’m told he wants a 3 year extension from his new team and certainly, the Clippers are more than happy to accomodate. The competition for him will be furious. Fasten your seatbelts and stay tuned”.
those facts fly in the face
of reality.
The reality is that the Nuggets want to start over…and they will try to get the best offer they can. That’s how these things work.
I expect nothing will happen for a couple of weeks, after the Nuggets make one last ditch effort (which will fail). Then, just before the start of the season, he will be traded.
The other reality is the Nuggets have no one in their front office with GM experience. Some might think that will make them pushovers. I think the reverse is more likely: their inexperience will lead them to think they can demand more, which will just extend the process when reality sets in.
heck no
Other than scoring what does Carmelo bring.
That overing paying for a guy who couldn’t get out the first round until Billups the Nets pull that trade watch Melo walk away in off season or no way he signs the extension.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 28, 2010 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Lopez is off the Table
Assuming Lopez is a rising star, a quality center is too difficult to come by. It would be foolish to offer Lopez in this deal. The opportunity to get a player of C. Anthony’s caliber is significant. But the league is loaded with quality small forwards.
Why ‘sell the farm’ for a small forward that in all likelihood will not guarantee a playoff spot, or a championship for that matter?
Yes – the Nets should persue Anthony. But Lopez is off the table.
by Mark C. on Aug 28, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 28, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Favors should be off the table also.
Murphy+Twill+james+2012 GS protected 1st round pick+2011first round pick for Melo
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 28, 2010 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's my final offer...
I would prefer 2 #2s and keep and #1 but I could be persuaded.
i'd substitute 2 2nd rounders for murphy
the nets need to sign jarvis hayes to a 5 mil deal to go over the cap then they can use their 10.5 mil trade exception
If they want Lopez
I’ll pass. That would be ridiculous return for a team thats has its star forcing his way out of town. Not that Melo would sign an extension with Lopez gone anyway. This will never happen. Denver can dream on.
I feel confident
We can make the best offer without including Lopez.
Blake Griffin comes to mind
It might be why our offer would need to include Favors if we’re trying to top them in an offer.
People like to pretend that Denver has leverage
but they do not. Taking an honest look at this situation, you can see that they are not in any position to make demands.
Any mention of the word “Lopez” should be followed by a click and a dial tone.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
not only that, but Houston/Knicks/Clippers do not have anyone resembling Lopez to offer
Nets don’t need to put the best Nets offer on table, We just need to outbid others. No one else can offer a Lopez-like player. So we don’t either.
exactly
this is also another good point
None of the other teams in the mix are capable of putting up a player in Lopez’s category. A top 5 player at his position is NOT being offered by any other team for Anthony, why would the Nets?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
"None of the other teams in the mix are capable of putting up a player in Lopez’s category"
Which is exactly why the Nets might offer him…you know, to be the winning bidder:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a52byn
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
by BigTom on Aug 28, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Petro and Hump
as the starting PF and C…. niiice
"I don't care if you gotta FLY... You bettah have my doughNUTS!"
what would win by having Anthony here without Lopez?
We wouldn’t be better than the Nuggets are now with Anthony
Seems counter productive IMO.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
denver does not have leverage BUT
just by virtue of the bidding war that will ensue, they will be given a lot of decent offers. probably better offers than we’ve seen in the past, when superstars are dumped. so, the prospect of stealing melo outright seems very unrealistic.
that said, the nets brass can chose not to get caught in a bidding war. they can chose to do nothing and let melo skate to houston or somewhere. that option is very viable
imagine something extremely witty here
I'll take Billy King being prudent over being absolutely stupid
There are teams out there with groups of stars. Whoever thinks that trading Lopez in the process of getting Anthony, and believes that we will be able to compete, has lost their damn mind.
Anthony and Johan Petro aren’t gonna get it done.
I’d rather not budge if the cost is that high.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Aggressive has nothing to do with it.
Lee for Murphy was just plain smart. Just like Brook for Anthony would be just plain dumb.
Being aggressive and dumb is how you sink a franchise.
by TWilliAM on Aug 28, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If you could trade them straight up
With nobody else involved, the Nets would do it in an instant.
If you don’t believe that, then once I again I tell you that you have no idea what Prokhorov is trying to do here.
I'm well aware
All I’m saying is that a player like Carmelo Anthony is exactly what someone like Prokhorov wants. If it means he could just give up Lopez, he would.
He can’t of course, but the way we talk around here like he’s untouchable is just not true.
I’ve said that since these rumors first started, before any media were saying anything about it.
you're just talking hypothetical, what's your point?
Last year, no one, not even Dan Gilbert, would consider Lebron a tradeable asset. My point it: everybody is tradeable. Everyone has a price, and that price fluctuates with circumstance.
Lopez/Carmelo straight up is only a theoretical possibility. Such a trade could never work (capwise) in real life.
If we’re talking theoretical, I am sure even MrDollarBill would trade Lopez for Carmelo plus Rubio. But what’s the point of your theoretical discussion???
eh
Carmelo isn’t Lebron. I like Carmelo, but I disagree that he’s exactly what Prokhy wants.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
eh I don't mean to say Prokhy wants Lebron
but he’s not that type of player like Lebron, or Wade or Kobe, or Durant who makes everyone around him better and impacts the game in multiple ways.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
If this was Carmelo's 2nd year
People would be just as enamored with him as they are with Durant.
If Durant fails to advance to the second round for 5 straight years, will people really keep putting him in the level of Lebron, Wade, and Kobe?
It takes a team. Scorers like Melo are rare. Scorers like Melo include Kobe, Wade, Lebron, and Durant.
Very very elite category.
Um no they wouldn't be
who exactly was enamored with Melo during his second year?
It’s not just about scoring its how you score and what else you do. Durant is more efficient from the field a much better shooter, and averages nearly a block a game and more rebounds a game(not to mention rebounding at a higher rate in general). He also at least tries on defense something Anthony hasn’t done in 3 years.
And Carmelo didn’t do anything in the play-offs until Billups came, Billups is as much the star of that team as Carmelo is.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
by Gina on Aug 29, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Melo is worth more to a franchise than Lopez
Just from an owner’s point of view. I don’t think this means they’ll trade him, and I hope they don’t, but you can’t discount what a player like Melo might mean to a new owner like Prokhorov.
Marketability, ticket sales, branding, etc. are all issues we care little about, but owners and executives care a lot about.
Winning of course is the most important thing in the end, but there are many other factors here. I hope Lopez isn’t included… But he could be.
by eLonepb on Aug 28, 2010 8:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i think even from a bball point of view
to win the marbles in this league you need a top dawg who can score- Period. brook is top young center in this league for sure, but many teams have taken the chips with a role player in that spot
imagine something extremely witty here
To win the marbles
You need a top dog that can score and a legit post presence.
We’re not beating Miami, hell, or ORLANDO, with Anthony by himself.
This is madness.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Melo is worth more to a franchise than Lopez
In terms of marketability, yes. In actual, on-the-court, basketball value, Lopez is far more valuable. He’s one of the most valuable young players in the game and he’s still on his rookie contract.
Not at all, and so far wrong it's not even funny
On the court basketball value is Melo by at least 10 times the amount that Lopez is. Don’t forget that “on the court” is what fans are paying to see.
Melo is an elite scorer, one of the best in the world, and that’s what people come to see.
The celtics
Won with Kendrick perkins at the 5, and despite his defensive abilities and that scowl, he poses zero offensive threat. If we have melo, we don’t need a scorig center. All we need is two bigs who can play defense. Even KG at the 4 wads shadow o his former self when the celts won it all
by Chakroot on Aug 28, 2010 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don't just find Kendrick Perkins around dude
Also big baby was a force, he’s gives D-Howard the most problems in the league he’s a nasty dude, those type of guys come around every so often, who have the right focus desire and physical capabilities.
what are we winning in the eastern conference with just Melo and no brook
better yet why would Melo sign the extension this team will be worse than the Nuggets.
If winning is the most important thing then we have to what’s put us in the best position to win and not do what it takes to land a player who has proven he can’t get his team out of the first round and isn’t a leader.
I rather build with both Lopez and Favors and develop players than to throw away our future for at best first round exits every year,
Until Melo finally gets tired of how he is never gonna win a ring and hops aboard a contender after demanding a trade. While Brook Lopez is some where becoming one of the best players in the league.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 28, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
He's worth more now because the Nets have been losing
But if the Nets start winning and Brook gets some recognition, he will be one of those rare players that every team looks for. Melo needs to be part of a team that already has a star. I don’t think he’ll bring more to the Nets than VC did a couple of years ago and that’s not going to win a title..
by djsupreme on Aug 28, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Killa making sense, once again
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully..
King realizes that the closer to the trade deadline he gets, the more leverage he has. He should give this roster a chance to perform before he breaks it up; who knows, maybe guys play better than expected and their value goes way up..
Or they play poorly and we have no leverage at all
Pointless though relevant to Carmelo – there’s just no way he’s even on the team at the start of the season.
by eLonepb on Aug 28, 2010 9:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Raptors blew it
in 2004 when VC wanted out and they waited and waited for the best offer. the season began and they started looking bad. Mitchell and Carter fought. Things became untenable…and they wound up taking two picks and trash for Carter.
I see the Nets trading Favors if pressed but not Brook...
We would be stuck in cap hell and mediocrity if we gave up Brook for Melo.
I would consider Favors and a #1 with nothing else but we would need to throw in Murph or Harris for salaries, which I would not be willing to do.
Anyone but Lopez and Favors...
I pass otherwise.
by rundmc00 on Aug 28, 2010 9:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
this
I agreed!
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 28, 2010 9:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Houston could offer more with the Knicks picks Affalo and Martin...
But I think their team would be gutted since Yao is done.
Houston is my choice
they could trade the four pieces they got from the Knicks: Jeffries, Hill, the swap of first rounders next June and the Knicks first rounder in 2012. Pretty close to a salary match plus the picks.
Boy the Knicks are dumb...
But without Yao’s health, they are not winning anything. Plus I believe Melo would prefer NY or LA and he needs to agree to the extension.
I dont think he wants to play for Houston
I’m keeping them in the mix, but I believe he wants to be in either LA or NY.
by eLonepb on Aug 28, 2010 9:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How would LaLa have an Entertainment career living in Houston?
Or does the Fabulous Houston Airport solve that problem??
Exactly why I think he might say Houston or ppl might say that but when the pen hits
The pad I don’t know if he would sign that extension.
My two offers...
Harris, Hump, James, #1 picks, 2 #2 picks
Murph, TWil, James, #1 pick, 2 #2 picks
Take it or leave it.
Agreed
I can’t imagine being left with no center. It would spell first round playoff exit for years to come.
Does anyone think it would be easier to swallow Lopez in the deal if we bad drafted Cousins (a true center). I say NO. I’m glad we drafted Favors and would NOT trade Brook in either event. What does everyone else think?
by nynjlawyer on Aug 28, 2010 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that's pretty interesting
now, i’m not saying that cousins is better or will be better than favors. BUT, let’s just assume for a second he is/will be. that’s why i always say in the draft, take The Best Player Available. if you start picking for position need, you never know what you’re roster will be by time that draft pick develops. if cousins wasn’t selected solely on the fact that he’s a 5 not a 4, that would be foolish. because when an opportunity like this melo thing comes up, you can more easily move brook.
however, i’m not sure cousins will be better than favors. i’m just using this as example of drafting strategy (which i always thought r thorn was a little weak in)
imagine something extremely witty here
Best trade
Murphy
James
Hump
Ross
Picks
for
Melo
Salaries match. Nuggets better take what we give them while they can or they end up with nothing and Melo doesn’t re-sign
Ross can't be traded with anyone at the moment. Idk how long, so you can't include him..
You could replace him with cash though.
i think in a few weeks ross can be traded
by Homey We Don't Play Around on Aug 28, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I would throw in favors if it meant keeping Harris and lopez. That’s as high as my offer goes… It appears that it will turn into a bidding war… Just like players were OVERPAID in free agency… Teams will have to put together a lucrative offer…
But again this is all speculation… We need to wait and see what other teams offer and how high they raise there antes.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Aug 28, 2010 9:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ouch!
Well, you expect this, since he is a star in his prime without any major health issues, etc. This is not Amare or Boozer. There is little risk here. How high will teams go? I think if Brook is on the table it is more than Melo.
Ok, now it's official
This Melo stuff is NONSENSE! and MADNESS! Yes! With an exclamation point! Trading Lopez? Just walk away Billy, um, I mean just hang up the damn phone. This is getting out of hand. If Proky wants a championship team in five years and to build a dynasty team then NO WAY he trade Lopez OR Favors. What is the point of having Melo if we create MASSIVE holes in our front line? We wouldn’t be competing for anything more then first round exits that’s for sure.
This is getting WAY out of hand. This is NOT lebron, Wade, a younger Kobe, Duncan or Garnett. This is (Marsh)Melo.
The only way I make a move is if it moves me CLOSER not FARTHER from being a contender. And IMO that means Brook,Favors and (yes, even) Devin and TWill aren’t going anywhere.
You want Capspace? Sure we got Murphy, Humphries and Ross to deal. You want Draft Picks? We got more then anybody. You want young talent? we’re willing to throw you D. James, as much as that pains most fans. You want proven players? Please move along to the next team, Thank you. We are NOT trying to build Denver Nuggets light here.
We can set them up to have more CAP SPACE and more DRAFT PICKS then ANY team in the league. That is REALLY valuable for a REBUILDING team. And DENVER needs to wake up and realize they are REBUILDING. If they want to go the OKC route (build through draft with multiple picks every year and loads of space to take advantage of marginal trades and absorb assets) we are their trading partner. If Denver want a quick rebuild and get some ‘name’ player in return, I really really hope that King kindly asks them to go talk to Sterling over at Staples.
Guys, this is a new era of the NBA. You have Lebron, Wade and Bosh ON THE SAME TEAM! Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom and Artest ON THE SAME TEAM! KG, Allen, Pierce and Rondo ON THE SAME TEAM! Etc. Etc. Etc.
You cannot compete with ONE superstar, Melo alone is USELESS if your goal is to compete for chips.
I think a really deep and balanced team that plays FIERCE with a really strong frontline like the one we are currently trying to build will have a much better chance at competing then an imbalanced thin team with a superstar scorer, and it’s not even close IMO.
by adronaline on Aug 28, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
You make all valid points
But you are not the owner. If the owner believes the value of the franchise (current and future) would be exponentially improved by adding Melo and subtracting Lopez, then he could make the call.
If we get ousted in the first round of the playoffs, we’d still be in the Proky Plan of a championship. Perhaps he believes we’ll find a way to get another center somewhere along the line these next 5 years.
But I agree that I do not want to see our team gutted and lose a young (cheap at the moment) player like Lopez. He’d be a great piece to a championship team, one that is just as required as a player like Anthony is.
But players of Carmelo Anthony’s talent are far rarer than a solid center. Lopez is better than a solid center, but the Lakers have shown you can do it with a Bynum, provided you have a scoring PF – see Favors.
have to agree
with the wildman eLonepb here.
you can find cole aldrich types in the draft every year. not brook’s per se, but u don’t have to have an elite dood at center to hoist the trophy
imagine something extremely witty here
You win with Big men look at the Lakers
Cole Aldrich will never put up 20-10 Lopez will probably do it this year.
You need competent bigs, period
The Lakers won because they have three bigs to go along with Bryant: one that defends and can score inside and out, one that scores in the post and plays tough defense, and another off of the bench that can handle the ball, score, and rebound.
Tell me how we’d be able to give Anthony that kind of support without Lopez as a starting point? Especially since we will be in cap hell?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
TO ADRONALINE...
THIS….And I still want to keep DJAMES……WE have Avery…MarshMelo will feel that he is above Avery and disrupt the rest of the teams attention to Avery……
exactly
The Nets front office cannot be that stupid to think that trading Lopez in a trade for Anthony, crippling ourselves capwise, is a good idea.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
i always love where you're coming from MR. DB however
i have to say, as much as i like brook, there’s no way a team with Carmelo Anthony EVER wins just 12 games. it’s not just a matter of whose the better player. by virtue of his postion, and by virtue of the fact that the ball is HIS hands, he can change outcomes of games much more easily than a center (who has to rely on others to be maximally effective).
also, the current NBA has been veering that way for years. true point guards are very rare. top players can often play and guard 2 or 3 postions. creating your own scoring opportunities is more valuable than ever. can’t play a 1960’s game and win in a 2010 world
imagine something extremely witty here
12 games?
I’m not thinking about 12 games. Last season was a mess starting from the top down.
What i’m thinking about is what this team will look like after we trade Brook and whatever other players needed to make a deal for Anthony.
So we’ll be limited capwise, probably even moreso after the new CBA, with Anthony making an ungodly amount of money, and we’ll be getting curb stomped by the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic for the length of his contract.
That would be an utter waste of time.
The goal is to become champions.
Can you honestly tell me that gutting our team to get Anthony, and yes, giving up Lopez is gutting our team, will get us over the top?
The Nets should have it in mind to pair Anthony and Lopez together, similar to having Gasol and Bryant together in LA. And if i’m not mistaken, we will be over the cap once Anthony extension kicks in. Then what?
Mediocrity is the goal now?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
MrDB Love reading your Comments Your Talk is Realistic, Just want to Know from you after Reading what you have been saying Are you in favor or Against trading for Melo but the trade doesnt include Lopez
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 28, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
I’ve been saying this ever since the rumors started.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
thank you
adronaline.
The Nets would be fools to pull that trigger.
three years from now when the Nets lose in the first round over and over. this move will look horrible.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 28, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
I know I'm probably repeating what other people are saying but Melo would not sign with the Nets without us keeping our best player
It just wont happen so I’m not confident this trade is happening for the Nets
I just woke up so let mr clear me throat... Ahem, ahem...
HATE TO SAY I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOO!
I’ll be accepting apologies all day.
See either Andres or me to jump on the “No to Melo” bandwagon.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL glad to see you read what I wrote over all the discussions we’ve had about this… I never talked TWill up like that. All I’ve ever said is that I want our current team to play one ge together before we go breaking up an unproven group, especially for a guy who is all about himself and plays questionable D. As he ages, he’s gonna rely more heavily on his outside shooting, like VC does now, and his outside shooting isn’t good. To trade away Brook and Murphy (plus picks) to get 4 more wins by Hollinger’s numbers is ridiculous. I know you wanna sell jerseys. I don’t wanna put all that money into Melo when we won’t get much in return.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just want to point out
any trade involving Lopez would include Murphy or Harris as well for salary cap reasons, unless this is a three-way trade. And we can remove Harris from that mix because Lopez + Harris is too much to give up, so it would be Lopez + Murphy.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a52byn
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
And Favors/Petro/Hump...
Would probably give up way more points than Melo’s gonna give us.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
And the Hollinger analysis on that only gives us 4 more wins… no thanks.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Leaving us a front line
that will never compete for anything. Ever.
exactly
No thanks.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when
did Net fans become like Knick fans? I always thought Net fans were wiser & more realistic than Knick fans Guess not.
Melo is at worst, a top 8 player in the league. Lopez is at best a top 20 player in the league. 4 years from now, Melo will still be better than Lopez, and that’s not a knock on Lopez.
Yes, you’d like to keep your best player, but if you can get a better player in return for him, then you have to mak the deal.
As for Melo+Lopez+CP3 dreams, give them up. Lopez & Paul hit free agency in the same offseason. If melo is in the fold, you might be able to have the cap room to sign one, but not the other.
Sometimes nothing is better than something. Why should Denver take a bunch of junk (Murphy+James+Hump+picks) if it doesn’t make them that much better long term? They might as well milk one last playoff appearance out of Anthony & Billups, and then turn around & play with massive cap space next year.
Finally, it’s not like we’re the only bidder. Gallinari+Randolph+distant future pick isn’t better James+Hump+a couple of picks? Houston doesn’t have a bunch of very good, affordable players & decent picks? The Clippers can’t offer Kaman (not too far a cry from Lopez in terms of talent) + Aminu + picks (their own & Minnesota’s)? You can’t say teams never get fair value, so here is our trash. You have to beat the other offers out there.
Hell, maybe his owner decides to screw him & ship him to basketball Siberia (Minnesota) without an extension for Johnson & Flynn.
Fair trades happen when both sides feel they got ripped off. When you figure out what’s too much to give up, expect that to be what it takes. Bank on one of Favors or Lopez having to be included.
by TheNetsFan on Aug 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure we never had that trio in mind. We were thinking of a trio of Melo+Favors+Lopez
What we’re saying is that if we trade Lopez(we’d have to include other guys to make the salaries match) for Melo, we’d be even worse.
Why would we want to worsen this team, which would ultimately make Melo sign elsewhere?
You can stop right there ;)
We would only trade Lopez if Melo comes with an extension. Melo will not “ultimately…sign elsewhere.”
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Perhaps
I don’t disagree, and I think you are echo’ing what I’ve been saying is probably going through management and the owner’s thoughts.
This is Carmelo Anthony we’re talking about. He’s someone you can build a championship team around. Lopez is too, but he’s more of a solid role player than a superstar.
He’s someone you can build a championship team around.
facts prove this statement way wrong, sorry
He thinks that because he hasn't won a championship
And only been to the WCF once, that Melo has “proven himself” to not be a player that can win championships.
He has forgotten the NCAA and the Olympics of course.
LOL with this olympics talk.
He played on a team of nothing but NBA superstars. Michael Redd was on that team, you wanna make an offer to the Bucks?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thank you John
the olympic and Ncaa talk has nothing to do with a player’s ability to lead a team to an NBA championship, period
The NCAA championship
shows he has leadership ability. Don’t blow if out of proportion, but don’t disregard it, either.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
fair enough
I don’t disregard it, but I’m not buying it as a reason why I should believe Carmelo can lead a team to an NBA title
a guy like Juan Dixon led his team to the NCAA title, so what? i mean, is he even in the league? the NBA and NCAA are 2 completely different worlds
Leadership ability 7 years ago...
Is that ability gonna show it’s head now after all this dormant time?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
What facts are there to check?
Andres: “Fact is that you can’t build a championship team around Anthony”
That is not a matter of fact; it’s an estimation, an evaluation, or, in other words, an opinion. It’s not a fact.
Do you know what a fact is?
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
the fact is Denver has tried to build a championship contender around Anthony and he failed to deliver. point blank.
What?
Denver is a perennial “championship contender.” In addition, how did Anthony “fail to deliver” a championship? It’s the GMs job to build a championship team. One player cannot single-handedly win a championship.
You are blaming Anthony for Denver not winning a title? Geez. How about there simply have always been better teams than the Denver Nuggets this past decade. Bost, L.A., come to mind. All had better teams. That’s not Anthony’s fault.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Duh. And by your logic Andres you would also argue that you can’t build a championship team around “My Talents” (LeBron), correct?
Promoting a grenade-free America.
Can you build around TWill?
Yes or No? Don’t dodge this question, either.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
No, you cannot build a championship contender around Williams. We don’t have a player like. I never refused to admit this.
I just said I’d rather build from within and see how those kids develop on a balanced roster with a great coach than gut the team, create gaping holes at crucial positions for a guy who you already know won’t take you there
If we get Melo for Lopez + Murphy
Yes, it creates gaping holes in our power rotation, and then the onus is on King to fill those holes, not on Melo to single handedly fill them. That’s not Anthony’s responsibility. That is what a GM gets paid to do.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
And how DOES King fill those holes?
We can’t trade the players we picked up in free agency til December. You’re comfortable with having Favors/Hump/Petro take care of the 4 and 5 for that long?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Where did I say I was "comfortable"?
Just read my comment below. I can see both sides of the debate wrt Lopez + Murphy for Melo. Both have validity. I’m a Nets fan, so ultimately I will support whichever decision is made, because it’s a tough call and it’s a toss up to me.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
exactly
this is getting stupid. I apologize for even remotely taking this serious, or anyone who thinks that we should worsen ourselves just to get Anthony
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a year
Yes, the frontcourt would be terrible this year. There’s FA again next year, which can be used to remedy that. Who is to say Outlaw can’t be moved for an equally overpaid post player? Who is to say we can’t land a FA like Murphy or Martin for the mid-level exception?
If you believe in Favors’ potential, then you should be a little more willing to give up Lopez. Teams don’t need a top center & top PF to succeed. In truth a one top post player along with a nice solid starter is more than adequate underneath.
Now if you don’t have faith in Favors, then you have to be willing to move him & more to get a deal done.
Very few recent elite teams have had two top notch post players playing side by side.
The Best Team Have Multiple Talented Bigs
Now and Last Year
Gasol, Bynum, Odom
Garnett, Perkins, Wallace, Davis (last year)
Garnett,, Perkins, S.O’Neal, J.O’Neal (this year)
Z, S.O’Neal, Varejao, Jamison (last year)
Recently
Duncan + Robinson
R.Wallace + B.Wallace
Nets:
Favors + Petro ?
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Multiple talented bigs yes
However, none of those, with the exception of Robinson & a very young Duncan has two elite bigs. Bynum, Odom, Perkins, the Wallaces are all talented, but they’re not elite.
So like I said, if you have faith in Favors being able to become elite, and you can turn around next offseason & sign a guy of Murphy/Martin’s caliber for the mid-level exception (nor reason to expect that you can’t), we’re in good shape.
However, if you don’t have faith in Favors, then you have to hold on tight to Lopez & be willing to deal Favors.
1. Bynum (top 5 C) + Gasol (top 2 PF) are both elite
Ben Wallace was the DPOY and Sheed an AS and one of the most talented bigs offensively and defensively, both elite or damn close.
2. Favors is more a PF. I don’t see a pairing with a K-Mart or Murphy working any time soon. He needs a C, which cost more than the MLE and are much harder to find.
3. Speaking of soon, I would say Favors is 3-4 years away from being in the discussion as an elite big (and still short of his prime).. as in when Melo’s contract would be up and he would be 30 years old.
4. It’s more that pairing up elite bigs is almost impossible to do than it means they are unsuccessful. In recent memory can you name me other elite big men pairings that have been unsuccessful? They don’t happen, much but when they do, they work.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 28, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, I just realized I misread your comment, I don’t know why I thought you were talking about Brook hahaha
yes, you can build a championship team around James. Again, I’m not trying to reduce all to winning or not a title, it’s putting your team in a position to fight for it and lead your team there
James is an MVP, Anthony is not
James has made the All NBA first team several times (4), Melo? zero
James led his team to the NBA Finals, Melo didn’t
James led his team to a couple 60+ win season, Melo’s team never won 60 games a season
James led his team to the best RS record in basketball the last two season, Melo never
Denver has never been a championship contender other than during Billups’ first year. Anthony had to wait to have Billups.
And yes, I guess having guys like Iverson, then Billups, JR, a frontline with Martin, Nene Camby and then Andersen is a crappy supporting cast.
Lebron made the Cavs championship contenders with a worse team around him.
Anthony had to wait to have Billups to ge tout of the 1st rd, LMAO at calling the Nuggets a PERENNIAL championship contender
Wait a minute..
So the Cavs have been championship contenders but the Nuggets have not. Ok.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Hogwash
Stop looking at the round & look at the facts
This year:
They lost to the Jazz in Rd. 1. They had no coach, because of his battle with cancer. Martin just returned from another serious injury. Their overhyped key supporting cast members (Billups & Martin) were the two guys that got absolutely destroyed in the series. Williams dominated Billups & Boozer destroyed Martin. Melo had a very good series, but he couldn’t overcome the letdowns by those other two.
The 3 previous years (2 first round exits & a WCF appearance). Take a look at who he lost to in those previous three years. Answer: The NBA champion Spurs (Duncan, Parker, Ginobli), the Western Conference Champion Lakers & the NBA Champion Lakers (both with Kobe, Pau & Company). Oh the horror. What a disappointing bum.
As for comparing supporting casts, I don’t think Denver is much better than Cleveland. Sure Billups is better than Williams, but even he is a shell of his former self. He was destroyed by D. Williams in the playoffs this year. That’s not Anthony’s fault. You could probably argue that the Cavs had better players at every other position, especially this year’s Cavs. Jamison isn’t better than KMart? Shaq/Z aren’t at least equal to Nene? Varejao isn’t better than Bird Man? You want to say that Smith/Afflalo is better than Parker/West? Fine, but the difference isn’t that great.
It’s not like Melo was playing on a team that had Gasol, Artest, Bynum, Odom, Etc. & failed. Denver’s cast is not that good.
ha
funny how you make excuses for Anthony and forgot to mention they DID hold home court advantage and that Utah was without Memo and AK.
You also forgot to mention Melo’s Nuggets were eliminated by the Clippers, the only playoff series they’ve won in the last 34 years.
Stop bashing Billups, if it weren’t for him, Anthony would have never got out of the first round. Hahah it’s funny how you say Billups is a shell of his former self and try to sell me Shaq and Ilgauskas aren’t equal to Nene… they’re washed up, so no, last year they weren’t as good as Nene, who is coming from his best 2 seasons as a pro.
If Anthony can't win a championship there with those players,
how could he win a championship here?
All we need is a strong and very talented player to add to our core; not take apart our core for one guy so we could rebuild again.
lolwhat
if anything, every time I read one of this Melo threads I think this is a KNicks forum
you knowwwwwwwwwwwwww
Melooooooooooooooooo’s our savioooooooooooooooooooooor
trade for the MarshMelooooooooooooooooooooo
he’s the suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupertar we neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
jokes aside problem is people overrate melo and the we need to get a superstar hysteria/ obsession/ fever is ridiculous cause Anthony is not a player who will put us over the top, period, sometimes the BIG NAME makes people overlook the bigger picture: depth, roster balance, needs by position and the ability to replace certain players you’d have to give up are KEY factors you CANNOT overlook. It’s why some of us would rather keep our deep, balanced team and see how the kids pan out before we sell the farm and create enormous holes at the C, PF or in the backcourt for a guy who isn’t going to make us championship caliber contenders.
Honestly who cares if melo is better than lopez, bigmen win championships, and not just solid bigmen either, pau garnett Duncan ect, and don’t say favors will be that guy cause as of now we don’t know that, he could turn out to be a bust
by Asent13191 on Aug 28, 2010 11:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a tough call
Lopez + Murphy for Melo
I can see arguments on both sides. I’m glad it’s not my butt at GM who has to make the decision. This could immediately make or break Billy King’s tenure as Nets GM.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
it will break King
you aren’t winning without three solid bigs.
Anthony, No Lopez, and no cap room will not win a damn thing.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a tough call.
Not even close to a tough call.
by TWilliAM on Aug 28, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only tough call
is what champagne the Nuggets choose to drink after pulling off that heist.
by calling all toasters on Aug 28, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Big difference
is that we can give them cap space (Murphy, Hump, Ross – expiring deals), James AND more Draft picks than anyone – like 3 consecutive 1st rounders (using GS pick) and some 2nd rounders – having so many draft picks and alot of cap space is usually very helpful for a team thats rebuilding. And seeing as they’d have no Melo, they’ll be putting themselves in a great position to get a very high pick this year.
Unless LA or HOU are willing to part with Griffin or Brooks, Denver isn’t getting much more then expiring contracts, fillers and picks.
Now is Houston going to give up on Brooks? He is a big part of their team currently. And more importantly, is Denver really interested in Brooks? They have a promising young PG in Ty Lawson with upside and it’s still unkown whether they want to or can move Billups.
Will LA move Blake Griffin? He was a really hyped up #1 pick for them and he hasn’t even played a game yet. All reports on him was that he was going to be a really dominant big man. I can’t see it happening for the same reasons I can’t see us giving up Lopez: It leaves them with a thin team that won’t be close to competing for a chip (or with that other LA team) with a mediocre front line featuring an aging Kaman, filler and Melo. And I’m from the school of thought that you never trade a promising big man with dominating potential (especially defensive) for a wing scorer. Unless you have a few other really promising bigs I think you are distancing yourself from contention. Interior D is really hard to come by. It is something all great teams have in common and something that not many teams manage to do at the necessary level.
Which brings another point. Carmelo doesn’t play D. Brook showed he can be somewhat of a presence at times at a very young age. He is certainly no Defensive monster but at a very young age (especially in his rookie season) he showed he was capable in spurts. He is very young and can still improve in that area. And he has showed the will to play D.
Which brings one last point. How a front office views the value of each position. Is a top 3 Center more or less important to winning chips then a top 3 SF? There are different schools of thought and some say that Big men win Championships and Defense wins Championships.
To sum up, it’s not all clear or black and white. Maybe if you think of Jersey sales then it’s easy to say Anthony sells more Jerseys. But if you’re thinking how to compete or build a dynasty it’s really not that clear cut. There are certainly different approaches and schools of thought.
So, for me personally, because I believe that Interior D and Post play are really important if you want to compete at the highest levels and that these kind of players are harder to find and to get, I would not trade Lopez, Favors or Griffin (If I’m the clips) for Anthony. I also believe Scorers (and I also believe that Anthony is a scorer, and only a scorer – certainly not a leader) and especially wing scorers are easier to find and get – I saw the Spurs winning a chip with Jackson as their wing scorer.
So it comes down to how the other GMs approach this. If the only team that offers a significant player is the Rockets offering Brooks, and since Denver has Ty Lawson and Chauncey, maybe Cap Space and more picks is the more appealing offer for them. It’s a question of whether a Brooks (when you have a Lawson) or a Gordon (if LA make him available) are more appealing than D James + More cap space + More picks then any other club can give you.
If teams like LA are putting players like Griffin in the mix, and we have to up the ante with a Lopez or even Favors, I hope that Billy kindly declines. Greatly reducing our Interior D and Post Play is not the way to build contending caliber teams IMO.
Most of all, I hope that if a move is made it is made with winning as the biggest motive. Not Jersey sales, tickets, TV, hype or names.
Since when did Net fans...
……begin to think that mediocrity is cool?
Because that’s what will be the case if we give up Lopez and another player for Anthony.
There’s a reason why I said that Lopez and Favors should be off of the table in any deal for Anthony, because any fool can realize that YOU NEED A SOLID FRONTCOURT TO WIN ANYTHING IN THE FRICKIN’ NBA. PERIOD.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair trades do not happen when both sides feel ripped off
thats not how negotiations work.
It’s about making both sides feel like they have won.
What are the NBA rules on trading a player extended
Why couldn’t we do a sign & trade with Lopez where we extend him to bigger money, and then trade him to Denver.
I’m not advocating the trade, I’m just wondering how the rules work with that, to get salaries to match.
If This Is the Price Keep Him
Melo
-Has people around him we don’t want around the team.. WWW, CAA, Leon Rose
-His wife seems high maintenance
-He seems high maintenance
-his 3 year /$65m deal could cripple us with or without a new CBA
-Any trade would cause roster imbalance as in we would lose our depth and our bigs in particular
Meanwhile Lopez had more value than Melo
-Melo could be an unrestricted Free agent, Lopez has 2 more years and then is restricted
-Lopez is 4 years younger
-Lopez costs much less for much longer
-Lopez is not a malcontent
-Lopez is a big, Melo a wing
-Melo may be top 3 at his position (LBJ, Durant, Melo) but so is Lopez (Howard, Bogut, Lopez)
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 28, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Melo is a global superstar
Those players with come the baggage of publicists, handlers, media scrutiny at every mistake, etc.
Lopez is hardly known outside the NBA and as the top 3 in his position, led his team to a 12 win season.
It’s just hard to compare the two, they are quite different.
The 12 win thing is such a worn out argument
So I supose every one on that squad holds little value?
Harris, T.Will, Lopez, Dooling, C.Lee, etc. etc.
To hold your 2nd year, 21 year old responsible for that debacle is ridiculous.
Maybe, I’d rather go the non-baggage route that won Boston and Detroit title then.
OKC seems to be fine going to the non-baggage route as well.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 28, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you work for ESPN or are you just a Melo groupie?
Any Nets fan knows that 12 win season is in the past, and outside of 4 players and Mini SLy, isn’t even the same team. Get real.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again missing the point
We’re comparing a superstar recognized around the world to a player that is widely respected as a great up and comer.
We’re comparing a superstar recognized around the world to a player
Wanna give up Brook and Harris for Yao? I’ll take the widely respected, great up and comer who ISN’T going public with his whining about wanting to be traded.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
A healthy Yao?
In an instant. And so would Prokhorov.
If you don’t get that, you don’t get what he’s trying to do here.
If Derrick Favors develops like we all hope...
there is reason to believe he could be our starting C in the near future. Though, ideally most of us would rather see him at PF.
Playing Favors at center doesn’t exactly answer any short term issues in a post Lopez trade Nets world. Trading Lopez and Murphy would leave us with HUGE holes in our front court. We could try to get Denver to include Aflallo and then try to trade he, T-Will or Damion James for a PF?
Devin Harris for Greg Oden anyone?
I still want to see more of Oden to even consider that.
Thats a big NO as of now.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 28, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Believe me..
If I had to vote I would rather keep Lopez and lose out on Anthony.
The more and more I see these Melo's Threads the more I'm starting to agree with Andres B.
I was ALL in for Melo at the “RIGHT” price but to give up Brook Lopez for him is absurd. We give up Lopez for this guy and I promise you we WILL have the WORSE front court in the LEAGUE… Book It..
noticing 2 major problems
with posters who would not trade brook for melo
1. classic case of a fans blinded by objective truth by overvaluing their own player. ask anyone in the world would you rather have carmelo anthony on your team or brook lopez and you’ll get 99% of the entire world saying carmelo anthony. the 1% who say brook would be some nets fans.
2. the “we would have one of the worst front courts in the league if we trade brook” argument. this argument wrongly assumes that once we trade for melo we will never make another roster move- trade, signing, draft pick- for the rest of carmelo’s career. it assumes that for the next 5 years Johan Petro will be our starting center. It assumes that Derrick Favors will either be a bust, or take 5 years to learn how to play in the NBA. The reality is that if we gave up brook for carmelo, we will have accomplished the most difficult task of building a championship team – i.e. getting the alpha dog superstar scorer who can get 30 a night. they don’t grow on trees. and putting him on a team with good, young talent. once that’s done, you can pull the MUCH easier move adding a competent big or two through a trade, decent signing, or draft pick. then you can get your Bynum, your Kendrick Perkins, etc.
hey, i like brook. a lot. and there are very few players in the league i’d trade him for. but carmelo is one. however, if the price tag got steeper than brook i’d say no.
imagine something extremely witty here
This is EXACTLY what I've been saying
has been going through the minds of the Nets executives, including the owner.
Carmelo is an unstoppable type player. You just don’t get a chance at guys like that in their prime.
it's so delusional that it almost seems like
a three stooges routine.
moe: who would you pick first if you were starting an NBA team, camelo or brook lopez?
larry: carmelo
curly: carmelo
moe: would you trade brook lopez for carmelo?
larry and curly together: no
imagine something extremely witty here
Lopez is a talent, there's no question
And considering the draft spot we picked him up at, it makes him even more valuable when looking at his contract.
But he’s no Shaq. He’s not going to dominate NBA centers year after year and make smaller players scared to come into the lane.
I hope we keep him, and I absolutely think that given Carmelo’s latest Twitter incidents, we won’t have to give up too much.
However, if it’s us or another team, and it’s down to the wire, and all we have to do is give up Lopez to win the bid (or else he goes to the other team), I’m in.
Why must the Nets always trade my favorite players to the Nuggets? I think I should be a Nuggets fan
Aping Superfriends poorly or building from within
Gutting the team by sending cheap and talented players like Lopez or Favors to the Nuggets would be a terrible and desperate move. Yes, the NBA is turning into a place where stars want to play with stars. So we can try to copy that or build from within like OK is doing. So getting Carmelo would be our first step in aping the superfriends model. The theory is that CP3 will want to join Carmelo. Can’t see it happening without a winning tradition established, and Carmelo would have a lot less to support him than he had in Denver. Then what? We would have an unhappy star who would again be forcing a trade, and it would be rebuilding time all over again.
I still say an offer of Murphy, TWill, James, and the Hump plus the GS pick, 2 #2’s, and $3 mill for a signed Melo and Balkman should be our bottom line. They get two good young players now, cap space, and lots of draft picks. If another team beats it, good for them. You don’t build a championship by winning bidding wars because by definition, the team that bids the highest is likely overvaluing the asset, very often catastrophically so.
explain how it is such a terrible
act of desperation to trade for one of the best frickin players in the world!
all of a sudden carmelo is a man of horrific character, a cancer to his team, a cry baby with bloated stats, and a perennial loser.
madness.
imagine something extremely witty here
and to be honbest, after the last couple of years
i would like to see a little desperation
desperation to get back to the finals
imagine something extremely witty here
I feel like everyone here is overrating the Center position. To me its always been a plug in position unless we are talking about the “greats.”
Just get me a good defender and I will be happy.
Commence backlash.
Overrating the Center position?
How do you overrate the Center position? What team(s) win championships without a legitimate bigman?
He was averaging about 15 ppg in the play-offs this yr with one leg. ONE LEG. ONE LEG!! how is he not a legitimate bigman? and I still wanna know who Tim here has in front of him especially.
I like Bynum. I am going by the sentiment here on this site.
My list is roughly something like this…
Dwight, Yao, Bogut, Al Jefferson, Kaman, Oden, Bynum, Lopez.
I Like this list. But two men here I don’t see better then Bynum and that’s Jefferson, and Kaman. Kaman is a very good player but one on one scenarios he would dominate these too.
I really like Jefferson, I am goanna alter this and put him #3. I can see moving Bynum above Kaman to the 4 spot now that you mention it. Training under Kareem helps.
Jefferson is not the 3rd best center in the league.
He could’ve been, but that injury set him back.
See I cant look at injuries. Someone like Brook COULD go down this year for example(his brother is already seeing some injuries, and if everyone thinks he is going to play out his career playing 82 games, your mad), and turn into an Oden, or they could all turn into Grant Hill and make a comeback. Maybe we talk about injuries with Yao since he is older now, but for the rest, anything could happen and I see Jefferson as top 3. I love him, and he is the best scoring center in the league. Routinely putting up 40 point games for a Center is incredible.
And Jefferson is undersized for his position which makes his scoring that much more incredible. The guy has talent no doubt.
Either way my point is, Brook is no where near the top in my opinion. Given that, he is trade-able. I WOULD PREFER he stay, but he is no more untouchable then someone like Kaman, Bynum, or Oden should be. He may be in the top 10 centers, but there are at least 10 centers in the league that can completely shut him down with 1on1 D. If we get someone like Melo who is much less likely to be shut down… well I am open to it at the very least.
Take into consideration
Lopez is still only 22. And he played all 82 games his rookie AND sophomore year that right there speaks for itself.
The day that Hump/Petro are in the same competition as Odom/Gasol...
You can say we have the same center needs as the Lakers.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Lakers
Kobe didn’t win squat without Shaq or Gasol/Bynum. Five times with them. End of debate.
Shaq is a great. Bynum… not in top 10. Perkins for example, not great. Rebounds and Defense are what I want from a center.
You need good big men.
All we would have left is Favors if we’re going to trade Lopez and Petro. And Favors isn’t even good yet.
But if we have 5 years to win a championship
Don’t you think we could obtain that in that amount of time?
You do know that wasn't the trade, right?
It was Gasol for Brown, Crittenton, Mckie, and picks.
LMAO!
Which 10 Centers do you put ahead of bynum in this league ?? seriously not in the top 10?
I’m telling you right now man he’s top 5
Lets put it this way
If he is on a team like the T Wolves, he barely scratches the surface of the top ten.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
You have to be insane to think that we’ll win with just a perimeter stud alone.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Annnnd i'll say it again
If we can get ‘Melo without giving up Lopez, DO IT. The only player on our team that I would have to seriously consider NOT trading for Melo is Brook, but every1 else is up for grabs. Favors + Twill or Harris + Twill i’m fine with. We didn’t stockpile draft picks and young talent to pump to our fan base that we will have “flexibility” and “2011 summer” to sit on our hands at a time like this. The current situation is EXACTLY what we could have hoped for.. BRING IN MELO.
Denver could keep Melo for all i care, Lopez + any of our young rising players is greater than Melo, and also the hardest position to fill. If denver wants to clear cap space, get a talented young player in return who can become a star, and a whole bunch of draft picks, than the nets pull the trigger, but trading an all star wing for an all star center and then some is a total lopsided and desperate deal, Nets should look else where. Building from within sounds better than this
And Carmelo has lost in the first round of the playoffs all but one year
Just sayin’.
by jabez on Aug 28, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So did Jordan his first 3 years
And then lost in the second round the next year. So for the first 4 years of the greatest player to ever play the game, he lost early in the playoffs.
You need a team around you. You can’t do it on your own. Even if you are the greatest ever.
This will be his third year in the league.
And he’s already the third best center. Did you want him to win MVP this season? He’ll BE an all star.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Al Jefferson in NBA Live...
Brook in real life. Al Jefferson’s injuries are gonna nag him and keep him down the rest of his career. Brook hasn’t missed a game yet. And he’s gonna end up better than Al Jefferson.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
So what if Brook gets injured this year?
Gah. This is why the injury argument makes no sense. No center but Dwight is immune from serious injury. TO think otherwise is crazy talk.
to think dwight cant tear an acl or anything in his knee is fairy tale talk, and to sit here and fear whether a player is going to get injured because he has yet to be, thats nightmarish, plenty of players (centers) go their whole careers barring serious injury, who is to say melo doesnt land awkwardly and his legs are done also, brook has no signs of being injury prone, and seems well conditioned, Dont need to be scared of keeping him
We've been going years without solid(if not, great) big men since Kenyon Martin.
We finally found some in Lopez, Favors, and Murphy and now some of you want to trade em away?
I know it’s for Melo, but if it took that long to find those guys, it could take that long again.
by Jbller3 on Aug 28, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What ever happened to the theory “when teams trade stars they rarely get anything valuable in return” yet were here talking about possibly a Favors AND Lopez haha! I never hated Melo so much in my life I’m starting not to want him here anymore this is ridiculous.
Then they can screw off, plain and simple.
Kerber better be way the heck off on this. Denver must be run by a bunch of morons if they think they can get Brook.
My highest offer:
Devin Harris
Terrance Willams
Damion James
Kris Humphries
3 Picks
5 million
If they want Derrick, I tell them I’m taking Devin off the board or they give me Lawson and Balkman. I have no interest in Smith. In fact (Im not sure if this is old news or not) but I just heard he attacked another player recently.
If they ask about Brook, I will call Eddy Curry over and ask him to rip a huge one into the phone. Proky can pay him for this if he wants.
Bottom line is, Billy King needs to know this:
They ask about Brook, tell them we have many other generous ways to get a deal done. If they are persistent about him, then just hang up the phone.
Consequences will never be the same.
Then 3 million. sorry.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I would even say THAT'S too much for Melo at this point.
Each of those guys could do anywhere from 5-20 ppg on any given night… You give away 4 guys who could do that plus 3 future picks for a guy who scores 25 ppg, I think it’s a moot trade.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed, a trade like that would leave us
with a downright pathetic backcourt rotation
you cannot overlook depth and roster balance!
but it gets us MelooooOoo!
He’ll sell jerseys!!!!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Melo' trade
As much as I like Carmelo Anthony, they are not going to pry away Brook Lopez because he is the franchise. maybe derrick favors, yes. but not brook lopez, i live near Stanford and he was a beast at the pac 10 tournies.
if we got melo for brook
melo would be the franchise. what’s the point here?
imagine something extremely witty here
WOW seriously???
Harris, James AND T-Will smh. It’s official I DO NOT WANT MELO HERE.
by Mikee21 on Aug 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Our fellow Nets Fans are starting to sound EXACTLY like Knick fans. So desperate for a star they’ll give up the ENTIRE roster for him.
by Mikee21 on Aug 28, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
melo' not worth it
melo’ can sell jerseys but look at whos around him after they trade Lopez. Devin Harris and thats it because there going to ask for favors, too.
We didn't trade for Paul because we din't want to lose Favors
no way we give Favors AND Lopez for ’Melo
METS
JETS
NETS / LAKERS
you guys make it like melo's
some scrub who just happens to be a very popular guy, and people like to buy millions of his jerseys, but that’s just because his name looks cool, not because he’s any good at basketball
he’s one of the best players in the league for crying out loud!
imagine something extremely witty here
GALLO!
Might as well be in here too to laugh at all this crazy talk. Give up all our talent for him just so he could breeze over to the Knicks.
I cant believe Im saying this, but Im starting to think like Andres
I want no part of Carmelo Anthony if it means near gutting this team. Just screw it.
Consequences will never be the same.
i think the only way that we trade lopez is if it is just
Lopez and maybe a second round pick and thats it.
If we trade Lopez for Melo...
I am seriously done with this franchise. We totally come off as that desperate chick at prom who will get with anyone just to make herself feel better. Center as young and talented as Brook don’t come very often, unlike pure scorers like Anthony. Plus you don’t necessarily HAVE to have a pure scorer to go deep into the playoffs. You NEED a big man first and foremost.
Actually no
You need a go to scorer who can dominate and take over the game, including in the crunch time.
A center is a piece that all championships have, but they don’t have to be dominant or all NBA first team.
Outside of Jordan...
when’s the last time there hasn’t be a great big man on the championship team
2010- Gasol, Bynum (early on in series)
2009- Gasol
2008- Garnett
2007-Duncan
2006- Shaq
2005-Duncan
2004- None really, but the Wallaces were pretty nuts on D with Rasheed having a nice O game too
2003- Duncan
2002- Shaq
2001-Shaq
In the last decade only one team hasn’t had a dominant big man and even then they had the defensive player of the year manning the middle.
great post
Say what you want, but we need Lopez here with any outside talent that we’d bring in.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Gasol is not a center
Neither is Garnett, and technically Duncan is arguable. David Robinson was a center. Shaq is a center.
You haven’t proved your points at all. All you really are saying is that you need big men down low who are good defensive stoppers, and one of them should be a good scorer.
Gasol most definitely can play center
He played C against the Magic and well. The idea was a big man and those are all amazing big men that you are selling way short. Perkins is a defensive stopper and so is Wallace. Duncan is arguably a top 5 PF of ALL-TIME so I really don’t care that an ancient Robinson played alongside him. Ironically most argue that Gasol has taken the torch from Duncan… and what do you know his team has one the last two titles.
I'm not selling big men short
I’m saying Lopez is a center, and you listed off a ton of big men that aren’t centers.
If Favors becomes a Dwight Howard, a big defensive stopper and capable of putting up big Gasol like scoring numbers, then do we need a Lopez? Couldn’t we just get a Bynum type player to fill that role?
I love Lopez, I’m not advocating a trade here, I’m just saying your logic is a bit flawed. Plus you are talking about some of the top defenders of the last decade. Lopez’s weakness is definitely his defense.
People need to realize it was the steal of the draft for us when we acquired Brook Lopez. He should have been selected top 1 to 5 but he fell all the way to the 10th selection.
REMEMBER THAT PEOPLE…..
Which would essentially mean (if he gets traded)
We were able to get Carmelo Anthony at the 10th pick in the draft.
Pretty good.
Yeah, but what happens when we get to the playoffs and face the Celtics and Perkins shuts Brook down? Or we play the Magic and Dwight shuts him down? Or the Bulls and Noah shuts him down? Or dare I say, the Heat and Joel Anthony plays lock down D and shuts him down?
Ha. Yeah, OK so just like that Noah and Perkins wont know how to stop him?
This is my point people, whats the difference what # center he is ranked if he cant score on lesser centers!? Like Roy freakin HIBBERT!!!!!
Don’t forget, Brook being so young, has now learned the ropes himself and will dominate those smaller and weaker players. In addition, we now have a player to compliment Brook in Favors and/or Murphy, so Brook will have more freedom to dominate.
LETS GO NETS!
I'm not going to even read any of this nonsense if Lopez' name is mentioned.
Go look at the Denver Stiffs site and Nets fans have already convinced Nuggets fans than both Lopez and probably Favors are off the table.
Nuggets fans now accept this.
Even Avery Johnson made an appearance at Denver Stiffs and said no Favors (LOL at bottom).
Just Click on “Melo’d Out” after signing in.
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2010/8/27/1653512/melod-out
http://www.denverstiffs.com/
Have to complement NetsDaily, because they have no new topic since yesterday AM and they have less than 400 posts since yesterday morning – and most are from Nets fans or stimulated by Nets fans.
What no Sports reporter seems to understand is that Melo has to approve of any S&T and he would be stupid if he accepted an offer that gutted the team he wanted to contend for a championship with!
And if Melo really is that stupid, then I don’t want him or WWW.
If Melo was smarter, he would wait until the end of the year when there will be more options for everyone.
He should make nice with Nuggets fans after returning to the USA and not be as hated as LeBron is in Cleveland.
End of Story.
What? How would that be smarter?
NI brought up the great example of Vince Carter, who started the season disgruntled and not wanting to be a part of the team. That failed miserably for Toronto.
because Melo would go to a team of his choice without it being gutted.
Melo still has a chance to make it up to Denver fans and show he can play at 100% until he is traded.
What would it take for the Nuggets to get Brook
Looking at it from another direction, what would the Nuggets have to offer to get a top 5 center on his rookie contract. Because there is no doubt that Brook is worth more as an asset to a basketball team than Carmelo given the extreme contract differential. So let’s take it from the other side.
The Nuggets would have to give us a top power player. The only one they have is Nene, who is vastly underrated. OK, but he has a fairly large contract. So we would need to give up both Murphy and Harris. Then we need a point, so they would have to give up Lawson. Sign Melo, toss in Hump and a pick or two and we have done the unthinkable—traded Brook. Not saying I want to do it, but it isn’t completely crazy. Here’s the trade machine reference:
Yes, it's unthinkable
Unless we get Melo, Nene and Lawson back. Then I’d think long and hard.
Well.....
What’s the point of trading for Anthony if we don’t have our stud big man? It makes no sense to me. And i know you have to give something up, and we could still give out a better package than the one that got Pau gasol
What makes this fascinating
is that it can be argued either way. Melo is a much better offensive player than anyone on the Nets right now and is someone the team can sell tickets around, which you can’t really say about any current Net. Brook may be a very good center but I doubt that his name can draw big crowds, whereas people will pay to see Melo play.
Then too, it takes stars to win championships and the Nets as presently constituted are basically a team of role players. They may be scrappy and tough under their new coach, but that’s about the best anyone can expect of them right now. As for Favors, the amount of his upside is really a question mark.
On the other hand, the arguments against trading the core of the team as presently constituted to get a malcontented superstar with maturity issues are unquestionably sound. So the Melo situation looks to be a crap shoot either way: the Nets could be just as foolish to pass on him as to give up too much for him in a trade.
Yup, totally agree
It’s why I’m glad none of the people in here, including myself, have the responsibility of being a GM for the team.
Forget Melo...
Brook and Favors stays. I would do Favors for Melo but the need to match salaries would require the Nets to give up too much.
Murph, James, TWil, #1 pick, 2 #2 picks
Harris, Hump, James, #1 pick and 1 #2 picks (3rd team can be involved)
Those are my offers.
What exactly can Houston trade which is better?
You don't have match salaries because Nets are currently 4.2 million under the cap at this moment, with the 3 non-guaranteed players only contributing $180,000.
Favors + Hump + Ross accounts for 4.13 + 3.2 + 1.15 = 8.48 million. Add 4.2 million under the cap to absorb salary = $12.68 million.
But 75% of Melo’s 17.15 million salary is 12.86 million, so Nets would only be $200,000 short if I am correct.
If Nets privately don’t believe Favors will be a Superstar like Amare of Melo, then they have to consider.
Or if they want to win big during the next few years they should consider that deal.
Remember that even Hump has value, because Nuggets will be short at PF to begin the season with 2 or 3 Bigs injured.
I don't think math is right...
My guess is that if you use cap space, the 75% rule does not apply.
I might be off by 25% of the 4.2 million, but that would only be an additonal 1.05 million.
I don’t know how Jarvis Hayes cap hold comes into play, but it might be something favorable if they are still holding onto it.
Fortunately Marks is the real expert and will know the best options.
If Favors is traded for Melo, then obviously Melo and/or Outlaw get the additional time at the 4 position.
You are missing the point...
The Nets would need to send back the lesser of:
1) Melo salary minus Nets cap space OR
2) Melo salary /1.25 – $100,000
The second is less. We could send Harris, Favors, #1 pick, #2 pick, Ross for Melo and Lawson.
I don't know what to believe, but I am sure Marks knows what he is doing.
I suspect they can still do something like was done with KVH.
But isn’t the cap hold on Jarvis Hayes over 3 million.
Even Josh Boone is still listed on some sites as a “cap hold”
Boone is listed as $6.2 million, so maybe he hasn’t been renounced and noone has picked up on it.
http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/
Also, the fact that the 4 new players making $18 million aren’t allowed to be traded until Dec. 15.
Why should the Nets be penalized TWICE, by not being allowed to trade them, yet their salary counts towards the cap.
Sorry, but I wouldn’t believe anyone but Marks on these issues.
I don’t think we know all the facts and all of the options available.
I don't think math is right...
My guess is that if you use cap space, the 75% rule does not apply. I just checked and my suspicion is correct. Nets would need to trade $17.15M / 1.25 – $100,000
Most sites don't even have the Nets current cap space correct, so I don't know how you can verify that.
It makes little sense to have to be 17.15 million under the cap to absorb the salary, but if you were only $16 million under the cap you couldn’t use the 0.75 rule?
I would trust Marks over ESPN trade machine.
Look up Coon Q&As...
And we could use Jarvis in a S&T to keep Murph but Denver would have to pay him about $10M.
Listening to Nuggets fans, they would accept getting Favors and 1st round picks. They don't expect Lopez.
Nets also have a 3.5 million trade exception, I believe, that expires next June.
Of course they have the traditional $3 million gift from Proky.
If we were doing the draft again and had a choice between taking Favors or Melo (at current age), chances are we would take the proven Melo, even if he had less years ahead of him. Basically Nets would be giving 1 or 2 1st round picks in addition.
Rod Thorn indicated from his earlier remarks that Favors could be used for a trade. Chances are Rod had Melo in mind. He might have already heard that Denver wanted Favors.
I wonder how many Nets ticket reps
are calling people who are on the fence and talking up the Melo rumor?
Nets have sold more than 2,400 new season tickets (MOST before the LeBron “Decision”)
Bet they sell more with each Melo rumor.
business wise, of course it's great
but basketball wise, we’ll be capped out and mediocre as hell
this is a serious gamble.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We would be betting against ourselves don't you think
Who is offering a player the quality of Lopez top 3 at their position??
if you'r putting your house up for auction between 3 bidders
Bidder 1 offers $450,000
Bidder 2 offers $470,000
Bidder 3 doesn’t need to bid $1,000,000 to win the auction
denver gona try n bullshit the nets
they probably gona tell the nets that other teams r throwing everyone out 4 melo which would make the nets wana consider throwing in brook just 4 melo just to compete with other teams which is retarded. there is no point in gettin melo if we can’t keep brook and favors.
Please keep reminding yourself that Melo has to approve of any S&T. No team is trading for Melo straight up, only to have him leave at the end of the season.
I do believe Nets privately would consider trading Favors (forget about Brook) but it would be based on reports from Asst. Coach Mitchell’s assessment of Favors.
Right now Favors value is high, but it could rise or fall once the regular season starts.
It is a very tricky matter.
The key is that if Favors is traded, to not have to give up any other quality prospects or Troy Murphy/(Harris) who would be more needed than ever.
Also remember that with Mello getting about 21.7 million in salary starting with the 2011 season, who knows how that would impact after new CBA rules?
@ strange brew,
I feel that would be a substantial deal for Denver.
If we keep the trade between just the two teams;
Troy Murphy (a big the Nuggets need)
Damion James (plenty of upside and can eventually replace Anthony at sf)
three first rounders (some protected)
cash and/or trade exceptions
Hey, all we got of quality for Vince was Courtney Lee.
LETS GO NETS!
And if you look at what Murphy is worth
If they don’t want to keep him
C.Lee + $9m cap space (what NJ sent)
D.Collison + Posey (what Indy got)
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 28, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I suspect that if Favors is really "on the table" and Melo was "open" to go the the Favorless Nets, that Nuggets would be able to get Mello to wait a few months .
Come Dec. 15 it would make things so much easier if Nets could unload both Favors and Outlaw, besides the draft picks.
Nuggets would probably settle for that, especially if Melo demanded a trade to the Nets.
If Melo’s side becomes quiet, that might be what is happening.
I wish there would be some way for JayZ to get a message to Melo, but I suppose that is illegal.
There's no way Melo is playing for the Nuggets this year
If all the reports are accurate, he’ll be gone within the next 2 weeks.
Here's a trade...
Favors, James plus 2 #1 picks plus a resigned Hayes to a big contract for Melo.
This might actually work for both teams.
Are you saying that Hayes could be traded in a S&T for "name your price?"
I’m not sure about that, but I also wantt to know why Boone is listed as a $6.2 million cap hold (as of the 8/4 update I posted).
And there is something fishy if Nets can’t trade Outlaw, Farmar, Petro, but their salary counts towards a pre-season trade. Seems like getting penalized Twice.
Nuggets getting Both Favors and James plus picks is a good deal. I wouldn’t go that far, especially at this time, unless Nets were afraid that once the season began that Favors value would decrease.
I would prefer to hope to get Melo to delay a decision and force the Nuggets to take Outlaw over DJames.
Once again there has been more activity on "Denver Stiffs" from Nets fans than Nuggets fans.
They still haven’t introduced a new topic and have only 350 posts in the past 35 hours – due in large part to Nets fans.
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2010/8/27/1653512/melod-out
Most accept not getting Lopez, but are open to Favors, picks and more.
It is more useful to participate over there, and get the angry feedback.
Ultimately it is going to come down to Melo restricting what deal from Denver he would accept. That is for Melo’s best interests.
If it becomes a “bidding war” then forget it.
One thing I have learned, is that Nuggets fans don’t think much of Petro.
Maybe Avery has overrated Petro?
However, after having Boone, Petro does seem like a $3 million player.
Fortunately, Nets now have Murphy to play some Center, and possibly Sean May.
Where basically the most active fan base
Smartest as well in my eyes where not fair weather either we stick through it all!!!
Nets have best fan base for a losing team, mostly because of the lack of respect and the fact that there are TWO NY teams.
I like the Yankees (because my mother still watches all the games), but I wouldn’t think of going to their fan site. I just have to turn on the sports news to hear more about the Yankees.
Proky also has a lot to do with the fan base interest.
I wonder if the Clippers have a popular fan site? They are in the same situation right now.
What is really ridiculous (and must change) is that one can listen to WFAN, the parent station for The Nets, and over 90% of the talk is about the Knicks/Nets (and you certainly would never hear anything detailed, beyond the names of LeBron, Melo, Brook and Devin).
Yesterday I posted the NBC News (Kurt Helin) story about Melo, which paints a different picture.
He concludes that Nets and Clippers are best choices, but that Melo should just stay in Denver if he wants to win.
However, what is important is that he says regarding Clippers:
“Would Melo trust the prime of his career to Donald Sterling. Anthony and the Clippers need to be on the same page here.”
And that isn’t considering that Melo would be playing in the shadow of Kobe in LA.
Also, Kurt writes that the Nets make the most sense (compared with other teams)
I don’t think WWW and Associates would let Melo go to Clippers. It was never considered when LeBron went to Clippers, even though it had certain advantages.
Meanwhile, recall how Prokhorov said nice things about LeBron, when everyone else was being critical in July.
Proky knew what he was doing, and Melo’s people probably took notice. If they take over the decision making, then Denver will be negotiating from weakness.
Denver IS negotiating from weakness
The franchise is caught between a rock and a hard place since they’ve got to trade Melo or lose him to free agency, and Anthony can dictate which team he’ll be traded to. The only leverage that Denver can exert would come from a bidding war breaking out over Anthony, which could lead some team to overpay. Otherwise, Denver’s goose is cooked.
i think the most likely outcome is
that a team will not steal carmelo, or overpay for him…probably right in the middle. meaning, giving up a little more than we’ve seen in the past when superstars get dumped, but also not nearly having to give equal basketball value to get him
imagine something extremely witty here
Just to let you all know how insane this whole situation is, considering the value of Carmelo.
Over at Denver Stiffs, one fan said “Also, Melo> Kobe any day.”
It just proves how delusional a fan can be in a situation like this. Overrating a player is common in times like these. It helps let us know what we are dealing with, and how people evaluate the worth of a player. They’ll need to snap back to reality sooner or later. And I’m sure once he is gone they’ll be saying how he was worthless in the first place and never helped them accomplish anything. Let’s just wait and see how this all turns out…
Consequences will never be the same.
There are few "franchise" players in the NBA
Carmelo is one of them.
And when I say franchise, I don’t mean the solid rock that keeps the team intact and makes sure they perform at a high level.
We’re talking about a player that makes or breaks the franchise fanbase. LeBron is Cleveland is a perfect example of this. Carmelo in Denver is the same.
If you went to the Nets vs Nuggets game last year at the Izod Center, then you know exactly what the power of Melo is to a franchise.
you're right it's as crazy as believing
brook lopez right now is more valuable to an NBA team than Carmelo Anthony right now.
imagine something extremely witty here
If it was staright up and Carmelo signed a extensio it would make sense
But he wouldn’t without pieces around him…so adding brook lopez in any deal for melo would be stupid…and having Melo makes this team one of the top 6 teams in the East…Melo is a scorer not a facilitator so in all likelihood in any trade for melo we’d have to give up Devin Harris and Terrence Williams so that would utlimitatly mean that Jordan Farmar will be running the team which I don’t think makes us any better than where we were with harris and williams
Realgm has a Report Denver Want to Deal Melo to Either Nets,Wolves,Kings
Sam Amico of NBA.com is reporting that the Nuggets are looking at three teams as destinations for All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony — the Nets, Kings and Timberwolves.
“Early word around NBA is Nuggets will try to trade Carmelo to 1 of 3 teams: Wolves, Kings, Nets. In other words, careful what you wish for,” Amico wrote on his Twitter page.
I really doubt the Kings and Wolves are in it, but all i got to say is wooow on the nets are being talked about alot in these Melo trade Rumors, and i know its just rumors and at the end of the day we might not get him but who knows, i just think we are the team to get Melo the thing is does melo 1.Want to be Here 2.Sign a Extension
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
It's rumor and opinion
Melo is not going to leave Denver to go play in another mediocre media city, and that includes Houston, Sacramento, Minnesota, etc.
I don’t necessarily buy that he’s so set on the Nets either.
Let’s not forget how the Lebron situation played out. Most of all said, there’s no way he goes to Miami to be the “second fiddle” to Dwayne Wade, and take less money to play there.
Yet he did just that.
I think the Nets have a great shot, so long as his agents believe in Prokhorov’s mission. If that’s the case, they probably don’t care at all about whether or not Lopez is here.
About the Kings, here is one Denver fan's response to a possible trade with the Kings:
Who in his right momd would want to play for the Kings?
Your team has very little to offer anyone wunless you want to give us, Evans, Cousins and say two No. 1’s. The maybe.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 28, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
In the end, the opinion of fans means little
If you proposed the Vince Carter trade to Toronto fans, they would’ve laughed and said it was impossible.
i think wolves, kings might be smokescreens
put out by denver to mess w/ carmelo’s advisory team. just some poker. unfortunately for denver, it’s hard to bluff when carmelo can virtually veto any team he dislikes if he refuses to sign an extension.
i hope that the nets are the outlier in this post – meaning one true team in contention (us) and two bluffs (minny, sac). hoping it’s not one big smokescreen
imagine something extremely witty here
A fan from Clips Nation (I still think they could be in this thing):
I’m sure Melo would love playing in front of empty crowds on a talentless team in Newark.
Consequences will never be the same.
Not Worth It
Trading Brook would be counterproductive and I’m sure it has been mentioned, but if we trade Brook for Melo we would basically just be Denver East.
Without Brook we are not going to win anything.
However, it’s not like the Nets would be dumb enough to trade Lopez anyway.
We’re not the Knicks.
We’re looking at hiring the Red Army choir to perform at half-time along with Russia’s top dancing bear collective
what if i flipped it around
and asked you what have we won with brook?
ok- it’s a little unfair because he’s entering his 3rd year. but close your eyes, look into the future and tell me honestly that you can envision a day where brook lopez, as the nets top dawg, is hoisting the o’brien trophy.
now, maybe i lack imagination and creativity, but i just don’t see it
imagine something extremely witty here
i would also like to remind everyone here
that we went to 2 NBA FINALS WITH JASON COLLINS AT CENTER.
think deeply about everything that means. very deeply
imagine something extremely witty here
just once
the first time MacCulloch was the starting C
And the 2nd one Collins was being backed up by Dikembe Mutombo, hmmmmm
And the east was way weak back then, once the Pistons acquired Sheed that same Nets team couldn’t even get past the 2nd rd.
Please Stop.....
with tthe talk of Trading Favors or James…..They are our future…….Trade Slopez and Harris and only one #1 Pick if anything……Personally , I’d rather not trade anyone…We have a nice young team already……..
a Center for a SF?? a big NO..
i just could not imagine nets without brook at center..
might as well
bring back jim mclvane if you’re gonna trade brook
by corky_romano4life on Aug 29, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Brook Lopez is too valuable more than Carmelo Anthony.
Anthony is an elite scorer, but not a good passer and defender.
Well looks like Melo will be getting a call
from david stern
plus look like he has been cheating on his wife.
We want that drama?
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If this is true, he is screwed.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/8/29/1656909/carmelo-anthony-publicly-puts-a
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
And then we can all go back to our normal lives
Where we Nets are developing front court of Brook and Favors.
I don't know about the cheating part
though I wouldn’t put it past him or any NBA player to cheat on their wives, but he’s definitely in trouble for threatening that dumb broad
he should have ignored her.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
not a good look
twitter’s influence on the NBA is pretty amazing
imagine something extremely witty here
I dont even understand why the consideration of throwing Lopez into the deal is being considered by nets fans, Denver has their back against the wall, its either trade for something or get nothing in the end. There is no necessity at all to trade a player like brook in this situation. The nets have plenty of other young talented appealing players, plenty of expiring dollars, and plenty of draft picks to go with it, nothing more should be offered. Denver has no stability right now, and Melo is pissed, They can try to hold their cards but in the end they are going to have to play their hand or lose.
and none of the other offers would even compare to Lopez because they know denver doesnt have that kind of leverage, without lopez the nets can probably beat the next best offer, especially with all the draft picks they could send
It's been said before
None of the other offers would compare to Lopez, and I agree.
Which is exactly why it might happen.
that would be horrible negotiating, the amount of picks and comparable talent and cap space would be more than enough
You have no idea what other teams are offering
So you really are just speculating. What we are pretty much all agreeing on is that Lopez probably tops any offer any other team is willing to make.
And a lot of people believe the Nets management would be open to discussing that deal, should it come down to that.
you might be right
but, the only way to know if it’s horrible negotiating would be to know exactly what all the other offers are. we don’t know this. so it’s very possible that you might also be wrong.
i.e. you don’t just offer up brook if you’re the only dog in the hunt, but if it takes brook to bag the prize that’s a different story
imagine something extremely witty here
denver's lack of leverage
means that carmelo will be gone by opening day.
however, the price tag will dictated by the competition of the teams in the hunt
imagine something extremely witty here
If we had drafted Cousins
We could have traded Cousins or Lopez for Melo and still had a heck of a Center and team.
Oh Well
Still prefer Favors
Cousins isn’t going to be a Shaq. Favors could be a Howard.
Give them both 3 years – Favors will be the clear cut winner.
always draft
THE BEST AVAILABLE PLAYER regardless of position.
that said, maybe Favors was
imagine something extremely witty here
Just to beat a dead horse
Carmelo is one of the most dominant players in the league. He’s one of those guys that is absolutely unstoppable when he’s in the zone. There are so few players like that available to the market, it’s almost unheard of.
Getting rid of Lopez for Melo would be a tough loss, but an absolutely incredible gain for the future. Free agents galore would want to play for the Nets because we have a player like Melo on the team.
Seriously, just go YouTube Carmelo’s name, against any team at all. Usually you are looking at a minimum of 27 points, maximum of 50 points.
Carmelo dominate
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 29, 2010 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding me?
Laugh all you want.
He drop’s 50 on the Knicks
40’s vs Lebron
30’s vs Wade
etc
etc
etc
etc
This kid is a scoring machine.
I’m laughing hysterically when people are saying “let’s just give Twill and Outlaw a chance”.
Again, are you kidding me?
don't get me wrong
i really like our team. pretty much every single guy.
but some people here have this magical ability to make twill jordan part 2, and carmelo anthony out to be lucky he’s even in the league.
that’s called homeritis
imagine something extremely witty here
I'm the same way
I was excited to go out and see what this “core” could put together, to make ourselves a more attractive franchise moving forward, aka, getting out of that 12 win team label and into that new coming soon BK Nets type franchise.
But when Melo suddenly becomes an option, one of the top 10 players in the league, I’d trade away anybody on our team in an instant to have him locked up IN HIS PRIME.
other than scoring what does he do
T-mac was a great scorer.
How did he do in the playoffs.
Gilbert Arenas was a great scorer.
Scoring points yea he is among the best.
How’s his defense?
How’s his leadership skills?
Is it mature? can he be a leader?
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 29, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
although i'm in favor of getting carmelo
i respect this post because it makes valid basketball points and doesn’t attempt to make carmelo some third rate scrub. you’re just saying he’s not an elite dood who is going put you in contention for a title. i respect the opinion, but i disagree because we need an elite top scorer. and i feel we have enough pieces (even if we have to trade 1 of our top players) to complement carmelo in areas he might be weaker in (and anticipate that we would continue to improve the roster after he would arrive)
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Good questions but
T-Mac was an injury machine. If he couldn’t stayed healthy, I believe he had the chance of leading his team much farther than they ever did.
Gilbert Arenas? Wrong position buddy.
Your best comparison is Paul Pierce who I think Melo is MUCH better than. Scoring machine, go to crunch time player, tough as nails, and find a way to surround him with players over the years to make a championship team.
by eLonepb on Aug 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and even assuming melo is near pierce
i’d be very happy with that.
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folks around here
probly wouldn’t trade brook for a ‘in his prime’ paul pierce either though
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to be a successful franchise or GM
you have to have a good plan, but also be open to adapting to new options as the become available and then alter your plan accordingly.
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Good or bad GM
When you have the chance at a player like Melo, you make it happen.
Period.
by eLonepb on Aug 29, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It’s really very simple, I would only include Brook Lopez in a trade for Lebron, Kobe, or Durant. There is no way he should be dealt for Carmelo. If Denver insists on B-Lo the Nets should say “hell no” and move on.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
WHAT?
That means you think Lopez’s value is equivalent to those players.
Good lord the homerism is in full effect.
by eLonepb on Aug 29, 2010 7:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no i think
he’s saying that only 3 players in the league are better than lopez.
still homerism bigtime in my opinion
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Homerism? I think we can all agree it’s very important to have a solid big man, and we are lucky enough to have one of the best. When I said that I would only trade him for Kobe, Durant, or Lebron I meant that I would only include him in a package deal for one of those players. Obviously his talent is not equal to theirs straight up. If we lose him in a deal for Carmelo we are only marginally better and have a ton more money on the books with Melo’s huge contract. We will also not have a center anywhere near what B-Lo brings to the table.
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by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 29, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
very valid stance. i happen to disagree.
carmelo can create a tremendous amount of easy opportunities for every player on our team. close your eyes and imagine carmelo with the ball in the post, taking it to the hole and kicking to morrow for 3, murphy for 3, farmar for 3, devin for a 17 footer, favors for a dunk. how many easy rim shattering dunks would favors get? what that would do for his confidence and transition into the NBA
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