Woj: Melo's On The Market and the Nets Are In the Lead
by Net Income on Aug 27, 2010 9:51 AM EDT
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PrintAdrian Wojnarowski reports that the Nuggets have decided to deal Carmelo Anthony and that the Nets and the Clippers "have emerged as the two most probable destinations for Anthony because they have assets that appeal to Denver"--young players and draft picks.
Woj doesn't detail who or what Denver would want for 'Melo but the Nets have 10 players under the age of 27 and 10 draft picks over the next three years. Beyond the two coastal teams, which appeal to Anthony's wife, LaLa Vasquez, Woj thinks three others could make a play: the Rockets, Warriors and possibly the Bobcats.
Woj says Anthony told new Nuggets owner, 30-year-old Josh Kroenke, last weekend that he wanted out.
The meeting grew testy, he writes, and there's now little if any hope Anthony will stay in Denver. "Sources insist it’s no longer a matter of if the Nuggets trade Anthony, but when, where and for whom he’s traded."
- Anthony, Nuggets look ready to part ways - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo! Sports
- Report: Carmelo/Nuggets headed for divorce - Alan Hahn - New York Newsday
- Kiszla: Carmelo Anthony divorce best for Nuggets - Mark Kiszla - Denver Post
- Bulls not on Melo's list [yet] - Doug Thonus - Chicago Sun-Times
- Report: ‘Melo Wants Trade – Knicks, Nets Possible - CBS New York
- Apparently Camelo Anthony doesn't want a title, just wants out - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Melo'd out... - Andrew Feinstein - Denver Stiffs
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we don't
do that here
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
This is awesome
I think this is gonna happen Melo reportedly said hed be open to signing an extension with the Nets
I REALLY HOPE NOT!!!
Melo is not a LEADER. On a Team this young there must be a on the court Leader. Melo is a Top Scorer in the League but not a real LEADER. Some guys just don’t get it. Why does Durant seem like more of a Leader to me at 21 than Melo is at 26?
Billups is the leader in Denver right Now. Melo is nice but he is not the Answer. And already trade negotiations are taking on a very EBAY feel with no Buy NOW or Free Shipping. This will get out of hand. And if the Nets win the bidding it will be about how dumb and desperate we are.
So we mortgage the future on Melo? Give up Devin, T-Will, James, Favors AND 3 Picks for a non-defending, Non-leading, scorer and a troublesom SG in Smith who Denver will likely INSIST on being part of the deal. So that’s potentially 6 young players for a guy alone who can’t LEAD a team out of the first round.
And Smith comes home to play in the state where he has a criminal record. T-Will be an Allstar before JR Smith will. And by the Time T-Will is an Allstar JR will be in Prison.
And how long before World Wide Wes March into Proky’s office making demands? Well that would actually be very entertaining. Something like a scene from the Sorpranos.
I like our team and wanna Stand Pat. Those Picks could turn into Harry Barnes, PerryJones, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight, Andre Drummoond, Austin Rivers etc. I wouldn’t want to make this move now and loose out on the next crop of great ones and be stuck with and old Melo.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Why don't you relax
And wait to see what actually transpires.
And if you think we are going to be any good by standing pat, you are kidding yourself. We might win 25 games this season.
With Melo, that number is up around 40+.
The Question is the Costs
I would rather not sacrifice half a roster of young promisng player who will force his way out when the mood hits and leave us with less than we had when he got here. Again I hope not.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Speculation of attitude
Carmelo Anthony and Brook Lopez are the core components of a championship team. Everybody else is expendable in my mind.
Even if we gut again, if you give a new owner Melo and Lopez, you have quite a future ahead of you.
that might be true, but
then that means we will have those WWWes idiots running our organization, which really is a big turn off for me
there is no way
we give up all of those guys for melo, pretty sure draft picks are going to be the heavy favorite, like when we traded Kenyon Martin and got 3 picks for him…
I'd be fine with it
The trade I’ve been pushing is this one
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dhd3qs
I doubt it happens like that, but it’s the best idea I’ve come up with so far.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
It is a great proposal
But the questions remains how much is Denver going to hold out for? If Kroenke really is so incensed by CAA’s actions than he might be motivated to hold out until he gets a really good package in return. And with no GM in place to move things along it is not clear yet what terms Denver is seeking.
If we have to give up Favors than its not worth it. Not saying I believe all the hype but it seems like a poor strategy to deal the kid before you have seen what you got. With Anthony you know what you get and while that is pretty spectacular, it is not quite elite. Anyway, we should find out quickly what kind of GM Billy King will be for the Nets.
—SIDE NOTE: Can someone explain what the franchise tag means in the NFL? I don’t follow football free agency.
by BrooklynNets on Aug 26, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
when the two parties dont agree to a deal, the team plaaces a 1 year deal for the average salaary of the top 10 players or something at the certain players position, aka franchise tag…it prevents the player from going to free agency
by Hi imreallycool on Aug 26, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Think harder
Giving up Favors,is ok. We have Murphy, and even May on the bench.
I say Favors, James, and a Pick for Melo.
I would give up Favors in two seconds if we could get Melo. As long as we hold onto Lopez and our Twill/Harris it’s a great deal for us.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Even tho it would be alot
But if Proky wants him hes going to get him
Melo was a 3rd overall pick or am i miss taking
I really want Melo but i want to Keep Favors but after Hearing Favors saying he needs time to develop do the nets have time to wait
If it was Favors James humps and picks then i believe we will get our guy
Its a tough Decision the nets front office needs to figure out
Harris/Farmar
T-Will/Morrow/Ross
Melo/Outlaw
Murphy/May
Lopez/Petro
are frontcourt bench is weak but that would be a good team
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 27, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
2 Options we Probably got
1st-Nets have to give up alot
2nd-Nets try to find a 3rd team and try to keep ther young talent
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 27, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And our frontcourt would be one of the very top in the league.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Only 2 extra wins?
that seems low. maybe because we wouldn’t have a point guard any more.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Looks good to me
as long as we don’t give up Favors, T-Will, or Lopez. Probably not Harris either.
Favors or Lopez I agree with you
But to make salaries match Harris HAS to be included. It’s impossible for him not to be a part of a deal.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
TWill, Hump, Devin, Favors, DJames, Ross, Zoubek, Uzoh are on the table
Too bad Travis can’t be moved yet.
To me, Devin is not on the table
First of all, he’s our all-star point guard, and secondly, Devin + Avery = The Good Stuff. I’m not comfortable throwing all those eggs into the Melo basket. I’d take Melo only if we don’t give up any top players. I could part with Twill, since he doesn’t seem to have a defined role on the team. He should be the centerpiece in any package we offer, or no thanks.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Yup
James
T-Will
Hump
Ross
Murphy
for
Melo
Smith
Is about right Murphy then gets waived Murphy loves the nets and NY area.
stooooooooooop
with this idea. All you did was change out your boy Lawson for JR Smith… Which makes your bad trade idea even WORSE.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 26, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are you
if you don’t like don’t reply man everpne can put their own opinion.
They have a crapload of trading partners
If you don’t raise the ante enough, they’ll simply move on to another of Melo’s preferred destinations.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
October 11
Morrow can be traded as of September 12.
Petro, Outlaw, Farmar as of December 15.
Ross as of Monday.
The rest are all eligible to go now.
Not if we include Harris+Hump
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i would do
Murphy+Damion James+Humphries+Ross+Morrow rights to drejer+ 2011 and 2013 first round picks + 2 second round picks for Carmelo+afflalo+JRSmith
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 26, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WHAT????
Who plays PF for us, if you’re trading 2 of our 3, and not getting one in return? That’s a silly trade!
Outlaw could see some minutes too at the 4.
Although he needs to add about 20 pounds more of pure muscle. He needs to get his butt in the gym and eat a lot of steak :)
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 27, 2010 12:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who do you want us to trade to match up the salaries?
Harris or Murphy?
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 27, 2010 12:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If I'm in charge
Murphy, James and Morrow all stay put. If Denver is desperate to move Melo, we should get him cheap or not at all.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
by jrtallent on Aug 27, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think your wrong about Morrow
He was a FA the was signed & traded. He would still fall under the FA rule (December 15th).
Murphy was under contract. Because we were under the cap, there is no 60 day waiting period.
GO AWAY MELO........
Leave our team alone…Go to the Clippers…….
by NetFan48 on Aug 26, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I AGREEEEE +1,000,000,000,000,000
I’m sooooooooooooo tired of all this. People are willing to give up everything for a one year or 3 year rental.. Give up Brook, Harris, Murphy James, T-Will and Favors and picks…..
For what? Melo and 1st round playoff exits? And sooo open to taking smith? Man if anything send back K-mart for a year(half year)
I hate going through the buildups and letdowns I can imagine how the entire roster feels.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I love Twill but he has to be in this
Twill
Derrick Favors
1 First Round
1 Second Round
for
Carmelo Anthony
Salaries are way off
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously we have the most assets out of all teams in the bidding. I hope we don’t give up too much if we get him, but dayam do I want him on this team. Instant playoffs possible contenders. Let’s go nets!
by Special_Delivery on Aug 26, 2010 7:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We move Outlaw to PF
Harris/Farmar
Anthony Morrow/Ross
Carmelo/James
Troy Murphy/Travis Outlaw
Brook/Petro
James is more of a PF than Outlaw
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
and sign a SG
for easy price still some out there
Melo would be great, but...
I still want to see this team perform on the court first.
I fear that Melo would be a primadonna like Lebron, that would suck.
by Fr@nkl1n on Aug 26, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nuggets dont want a PG
The probably want a nice young piece like Twill, Hump, Ross, Hayes for Carmelo
remember Hayes we still can trade
imo hump, ross and hayes are not young basketwise
you know what you can expect from them..but hey if Denver takes them, i’m all for it! :D
They will...
… Billups will want out if Melo leaves.
This stinks
The trade would have to be Murphy, Favors, and Williams for this to make any financial sense for the Nuggets, and we’d have to give them some big picks. We’d be left with this team:
Harris/Farmar
Morrow/Ross
Anthony/James/Outlaw
Kris Humphries/Sean May
Brook/Petro
SUCKS.
Yeah.
A playoff team sucks.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I'd give up T-Will for Melo.
Favors I’m reluctant, but I would definitely include T-Will in a deal.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
this gonna be a bidding war
if the Nets are serious about getting Anthony they will have to give up on Derrick. I don’t want us to trade for Melo, but if i had to choose, I’d prefer to keep Williams.
Not really
If Carmelo is serious about leaving, Denver doesn’t have a huge amount of leverage and Derrick is far too valuable of a prospect in a deal like this. I’m confident that we can convince Denver that T-Will is a blue chipper, though.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 27, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
What about this trade
Nuggets get: T-Will, Harris, Humphries, Hayes(So salaries match up as someone has already mentioned) plus 2 first round picks
Nets get: Melo, Affalo, 2nd round pick
Nets don't have Hayes's rights
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
He’s a free agent.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Hes a free agent
But Nets retained his rights, they got his waivers. It had a story like last week on it on this WEBSITE
Fair enough
I should have been more clear. He’s not signed to a contract right now. I guess they can sign-and-trade him, but he’s not exactly a sought-after asset.
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Twill Hump 2 first roungs for Melo and Jr Smith
We get back a sg
we get an all star
Not even close to financially possible
http://www.netsarescorching.com
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 26, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The only untradeable player is Brook.
After him any combination that is a fair deal is game.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
WOW
now Terrence Williams tweets makes sense.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 26, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
wow
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i workout even when im sitting still, its chess people #wordaapp
@Brotha2DaNite u right bro I got u its chess #wordaapp
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 26, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions
ok so im slow
cause those dont REALLY say anything to me lol
by gmister09 on Aug 27, 2010 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why can't Melo wait a year and sign with us
then we won’t lose any one and make an impact to the Finals soon.
I've said this for weeks
If the Nets want him, they will get him. We have EXACTLY what Denver would want in a deal like this..those 10 draft picks look awfully tasty to a team in Denver’s positon.
if we trade our young players for Melo.. then I'd rather pass on it to Clippers.
Melo is not Kobe, not James, he is an elite scorer, but he is not a good defense presence.
I’d rather have our young bigs, point guard, and a balanced team.
I love how the young guns.
Are sure producers in the future.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Imagine opening night
With Carmelo running out of the tunnel in a brand new arena wearing a Net jersey..I WANT THAT.
Carmelo is an elite…Superstar
But we have a nice team right now…I dont want to get rid of Harris, Favors, or Twill
I would give them 3 first rounders….
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
He is easily a top 10 player in this league
i would think he is very good,,,no?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
He is not an elite player.
He scores like crazy, but the rest of his game is lacking.
by TWilliAM on Aug 26, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is the best scorer in the game. Period. Guy has it all, drive, postup, soft touch, fade, long range, everything. His size is such that he can post with the bigs, and run with the smalls.
Good offense beats good defense… so I dont know. Under Avery no less?
AGAIN though… I want to keep as much as humanly possible to compliment Melo.
would you consider Dirk (circa 2007 – mvp year) an elite player? remember he was known for his offense and lack of defense. basically almost the same kind of player. versatility, range extending to 3 pt shot etc.
would you consider Dirk (circa 2007 – mvp year) an elite player? remember he was known for his offense and lack of defense.
Melo’s finish in MVP voting
2003-04 (14)
2006-07 (15)
2007-08 (13)
2009-10 (6)
Dirk’s finish in MVP voting til he won
2001-02 (8)
2002-03 (7)
2003-04 10)
2004-05 (3)
2005-06 (3)
2006-07 (1)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 26, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you got Melo's scouting Report mixed up with 21 year old KEVIN DURANT
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I would like to keep either james or twill
but i dont want to trade harris or favors.
Brook
Murphy
Carmelo
Vet SG
Harris
would be SICK
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Favors might be saved.
I doubt any team would have him as a center piece to a deal.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I'm sorry guys
but I’d rather not give up too much for Melo. Plus I don’t want Worldwide Wes and his crew anywhere near this team. If it’s only picks and dead wood, then sure. Otherwise I’m perfectly hapy with what we have.
by Doesthishurt on Aug 26, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nets usually make surprise moves
I dont expect anything to happen…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
That.
I hope to keep him but I’d include him in a list of people who are open to trade. But I’d rather keep him.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
So what if we get Rid of Harris?
We want to win
Carmelo is a lot better than harris
ok, so BEFORE the season starts, what package can we put together to get Melo?
any ideas? picks galore…
If JR Smith doesn't get his act together
the next stop for him will be jail. Do we really want that kind of influence around a young impressionable team?
JR Smith already has someone's death on his hands...
…if i’m not mistaken, he was at the wheel of a car driving recklessly and ended up killing a friend of his. Now you hear about him choking someone out on the court. Two unrelated incidents but that’s enough for me to not want him anywhere near this team.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Carmelo is not going to keep his head on straight in nyc area. This is not good for the chemistry of our team.
Most i would offer is the entire 2011-2012 draft and hump and james. I am even hesitant to give up james for melo.
Melo is a 6"9 Iverson. scores but does nothing else to impact the game. The rest of our team will be stunted in growth standing around watching this dude score 30. Thats not the makings of a winning franchise.
Chemistry is overrated.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Yep
By trading for Melo…we become weaker at other positions…so whats the point
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Not really, no.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Unless Harris and Lopez is involved
then I’d agree with the statement.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
hm
I dunno. we lose Harris, and Diaw is a huge downgrade from Murphy. but it’s probably the best we could do. therefore I doubt it will happen.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
Everyone knows what my offer is
Harris, Humphries, TWill, 2 first rounders
I was the first one to offer this, too. Now people are running with it. Good.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
I don’t know how people stilll think trading harris AND Williams would be a good idea. The backcourt would be flat out HORRIBLE. One of them would have to stay, most likely Williams, and Denver will ask for Favors, it’s gonna be a war,they aren’t keeping him if they’re serious about getting anthony, which I hope they aren’t. Keep Derrick, TWill and the rest of the kids!
by Andres B on Aug 27, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lucky Brett Yormark
he’s sold a lot of new season tickets, maybe 2,500, and now this.
I won’t get excited or upset til I see who and what would be moved. I still think this is Houston’s to lose.
But. . .
Would Denver prefer to trade Melo to a western conferecne team, or an eastern conference team? This may play a role, no?
by netsmetsgiants on Aug 26, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
I see your point I guess. All for this trade as long as we don’t overspend.
by netsmetsgiants on Aug 26, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Clippers Actually...
location, Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon and picks….. I would do that….lol
The JETS/NETS are coming!
lets do Harris, Humphries, TWill, 2 first Rounders for Melo and Ty Lawson. I like Lawson. Farmar/Lawson will get the opportunity to start, and maybe play a derek fisher role.
Not giving up Murphy
Substitute Troy with Hayes or something similar, then maybe.
by Doesthishurt on Aug 26, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d definitely prefer we keep Favors. LOVE TWill’s game, and I think he could be something special. On the other hand though, I would rather keep favors at all costs, and give them Williams.
Favors at all costs?
TWill shown signs of improving and adjusting as a NBA player.
Favors is high reward and high RISK. He’s a lottery ticket. And his first few years won’t be good either.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
We
Have needed a PF for FOREVER. . .I just feel that the upside of this kid is rediculous, and trust me, i’m not one to buy into any hype or any type of “sky’s the limit” talk. As I said above, I think Twill is going to be amazing. However I think that he’s the ONE player over anyone else on our team that Denver would push for. And if that means we land Melo who is only a few yrs older and already proven, i say we go for it.
by netsmetsgiants on Aug 26, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
my gut tells me
that avery/king will take a hard line and try to steal melo and won’t ‘overpay’ for him (with the risk of not getting him).
at least, that’s what i’d do
imagine something extremely witty here
If we do trade harris how bout signing a.i??
by mlee88 on Aug 26, 2010 8:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We all have to be realistic here. Were gonna have to give up talent to get Melo
Melo is an elite player and its going to take a lot to get him. The only untradeable is Brook
If history is any indication,
then no, we may not have to. This could very well be us fleecing them for Melo like we did for VC. now, I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but i have a feeling King is gonna be 2/2 as our new GM. Of course, I hope I’m not wrong, lol
by netsmetsgiants on Aug 26, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This
The Nets have to give up Murphy, Favors or Williams, and picks to even have a shot at Melo. Otherwise they simply won’t be competitive in the bidding process.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Right.
Like every team is desperate to effectively kill every young piece of talent they have for Melo.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
That's the price of getting an elite player
And it’s one that other teams will be willing to pay. Salary relief, a young talent, and picks are the starting asking price in any of these discussions.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Netsfan310 i understand your opinion, we have to be realistic and your saing we have to give up talent but didnt the lakers STEAL Gasol from Grizz, you jus tnever know what can happen until it does
We can wake up tomorrow and see thatthe nets traded for Melo for Twill Humps 3 1st Rd Ross and Hayes and then we will be all like woow we gave up nothing
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 26, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver: “Hey Melo, you don’t want to sign? We just leaked to Wojnarowski that the teams in the lead to get you are among the two worst franchises in basketball.”
Melo: “Thanks. I’ll be notifying them that I’ll be a free agent at the end of the year.”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 26, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
stop it
i was happy now im less happy
by corky_romano4life on Aug 26, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Three words
Lebron, Lebron, Lebron.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 26, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Different situaiton is different.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I can actually make sense of this
This is exactly the spin. Don’t tke the bait just stay the course.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Scenario
Let’s say the trade was Murphy, T-Will, Hump, Ross, many draft picks for Melo. Do the Nuggest want to keep Murphy or would they buy him out? Maybe we can pull a Z Ilgauskas and get him back shortly after the trade.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 26, 2010 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If Murphy accepts a buyout
I highly doubt he’d return to the Nets, as nearly every contender would be extending offers for his services.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
But
With Melo, Harris, Lopez, Favors are we not a contender?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 26, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Err, to make a serious run in the playoffs?
No. That team still gets curb stomped by Miami, Orlando, and Boston and I’d put it below Milwaukee, Chicago, and Atlanta.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Are you serious?
As long as Harris, Favors, Lopez, are there, add Melo – this team is better than Orlando, maybe Boston, and certainly Milwaukee and Atlanta.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 26, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
are you serious?
adding melo, nets would still be 1 or 2 pieces away from seriously contending the big 3 in miami, orlando or boston and maybe even chicago.
with melo, nets probably in the same standing with atl and mil depending on who they give up on the trade
Better than Orlando? Boston?
Not even close. Orlando is arguably the deepest team in the league, a top five defensive team, and would shred New Jersey on the interior (Howard) and the perimeter (Nelson, Lewis). Boston is also deep, a defensive stalwart, has playoff experience and chemistry in spades, and has solid positional defenders at every spot to slow down New Jersey’s offense.
Milwaukee is much deeper, a better defensive team (a top five defense until Skiles last year, who will consistently keep his teams there), and solved a lot of their offensive problems by keeping Salmons and adding Maggette and Gooden. Atlanta didn’t get any better but they’ll still be a 50 win team and have a much better starting five.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
This is the post Ben R was responding to
As long as Harris, Favors, Lopez, are there, add Melo – this team is better than Orlando, maybe Boston, and certainly Milwaukee and Atlanta.
there is no mention of years.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 26, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
it's silly in any case
because to think we’re getting melo while retaining harris, favors, and lopez, it would have to be a Major theft to get away with that. Let’s be a little more conservative than that, shall we?
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
This is true.
But if they keep Harris, Favors and Lopez, that means lots of draft picks going to Denver.
Favors...
…..would need to take a positive step in develop towards the course of the season for that to be the case
Which is why any talk of including him in a deal for Anthony is stupid.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
My Trade Proposal
Nuggets get: Twill, Murphy, Hump, 2 first round picks, $10 Million of Prokys money
Nets get: Carmelo and Nets get Murphy back after a Nuggets buyout.
Brook
Murphy
’Melo
Udoka
Harris
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
How about?
Troy Murphy , Damion James , Q.Ross +1st rounder for Melo.
Harris – Farmar
Morrow/T.Will
Melo – Outlaw
Hump – Favors
Lopez – Petro
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Billups – Lawson
Afflalo – Smith
D.James – Ross
Murphy – Harrington – Balkman – K-Mart
Nene – Anderson
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I think they could really use Murphy considering K-Mart will be out for some time and Anderson may be out early. Harrinton can’t rebound for crap! And I think they want to keep Lawson. They also get Damion James and another future pick to rebuild with.
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They probably would take Devin Harris if it invloves a 3-way trade and they can dump Billups on another team. So a 3 way might be involved , but we would need a PG in return.
I think they could really use Murphy considering K-Mart will be out for some time and Anderson may be out early
Murphy makes very good sense on a lot of levels, but they are going to want some young candy to justify the trade.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 26, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Damion James will have to be the candy + a future pick I guess. If not , they can take T.Will instead of Ross. I know he’s your favorite NET and all , but whatever it takes.
by strange-brew on Aug 26, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I was wrong
they can trade him. SInce they traded for him under the cap, he can be traded at any time in any deal.
Interesting. With that said, I would like to keep him, he has a love for the team already. When you love something, you fight for it!
Just because Lily Miran wants to be with you and put out , doesn’t mean you should ignore the chance at Jenny Swanson.
The Hard Times of the N.J. Nets.
by strange-brew on Aug 26, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Would Melo be signing an extension?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 26, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the requirement for any of these deals
No team is going to give up assets for Melo and then risk him leaving at the end of the year.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
no…must keep james or twill
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
ITS MELO
A superstar a once in a life time chance and you wont give up Twill or a rookie? You would be a horrible GM and a fan base would hate you
You are all missing it
You are all missing the deal. Just forget about it now and wait for December 15th. Hopefully Outlaw is averaging 18/7 and looks like a legit 3. he is superfluous with Melo. Trade Outlaw, TWill, Hump and two first rounders and you keep Murphy to make a real playoff run this year and give us cap space at the end of the year. Patience grasshopper… Patience.
melo does not want to play for Denver come opening season. if nets want melo, they need to make a play for him now
Disagree
Melo wants to win – if he is smart, he can wait 45 days. Outlaw is a much smarter give up than Devin or Murphy to make it work.
by samnetsfan2010 on Aug 26, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You evidently haven't read the attached articles...
Melo has set flame to any remaining Denver bridges. Deal must now be done before the season.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Carmelo burning bridges works in our favors...
….desperate people may take what they can get
I sacrifice picks and one or two young perimeter players.
No Lopez. No Favors.
If we have to trade Murph, I pray that they waive him and he resigns with us.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still confused...
if we trade for melo over the summer can’t we not give up murphy yet or is a way to get around that?
Now it almost obvious Melo wont be a Nugget
Opening Day…With Nuggets GM in place…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_15894402
Ujiri a former scout…so im sure he likes draft picks
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
sportsguy33
Fairest trade: Melo/JR/Billups to Houston for Brooks/Kev. Martin/J. Hill/Battier/Jeffries + NYK’s 2012 #1 + $3 million. Denv saves $21 mill.
let's go for Billups too
if you want to include Devin…why not? Denver would be rebuilding. we’ll greatly excel our rebuilding process.
People please
propose trades that are realistic.
That means don’t offer >$3 million cash
Don’t offer players who literally can’t be traded
Don’t offer combos that don’t work under the salary cap.
Thanks.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Proky cant give Denver the money for a buyout?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
My understanding is
a team can’t trade more than $3 mil in cash.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong. Going off of memory.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
maybe ur right...
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Actually, I shouldn't say "realistic" just "possible"
you could argue that my trade offer isn’t realistic, but at least it’s possible.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
My Trade Prosposal
Nets Melo,Afflalo
Nuggets get T-Will,James,Humps,Hayes 3 1st Rd TPE
i really think Denver would love Twill and James and 3 1st Rd picks
Harris/Farmar
Morrow/Afflalo/Ross
Melo/Outlaw
Murphy/Favors/May
Lopez/Petro
Question: cant you go over the cap when making a Trade since when do you have to match salaries
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 26, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot about Hayes
If NJ can give Hayes some sort of ridiculous 1 year contract to make the salaries match that would be idea. Then we send out Hayes and Humphries instead of Murphy.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 26, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
the only players that cant be traded
in this off season are the players SIGNED as free agents: Farmar, Petro, Outlaw until December 15. I dont know the status of the three partially guaranteed deals
Since Morrow and Murphy were traded under the cap, they can be traded at any time.
sounds good.
we can wait until sept 12 its only 2 weeks we can wait. and we give up murphy ross hump morrow with a few picks 4 melo and smith (bad character but has no option but 2 act good under avrey)
Morrow was a free agent signing (restricted)
by strange-brew on Aug 26, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
sign and trade
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Oh . Who or what did they get in return?
by strange-brew on Aug 26, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Morrow
FA Trade restrictions still apply since it was a Sign & Trade.
Question about trading draft picks
We know teams can’t trade first rounders in successive years. But can we trade, say, the Nets first rounder in 2011 and the GS first rounder in 2012?
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
i believe so..
i think teams can’t trade their own pick in successive years
Ok
so the rule only pertains to your OWN pick in successive years.
Thanks.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Yes
Theoretically, we could trade
Our 2011, GS 2012 & our 2013 with no problem.
Harris will definitely be a piece...
Financially, it makes sense that Devin will be a piece in the trade. Like many others, I definitely don’t want to give up Favors. Who knows what kind of player he will become? You don’t deal a top #3 pick with great potential for just anybody, even if its Carmelo. I would like to see how a legitimate power forward, one of the first we’ve had in ages on this team, will develop alongside Brooke.
But all signs point to the Nets being big contenders in the Melo sweepstakes. We have all of the rebuilding tools that a team like Denver would want in exchange for unloading a franchise player: plenty of money, tons of draft picks, and youth.
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"We're looking at hiring the Red Army choir to perform at half-time along with Russia's top dancing bear collective." -Mikhail Prokhorov
"Don't worry about my cap" - Lou Lamoriello
did Alan Hahn just write that
the nets could offer Devin, Brook, AND a 1rst round pick??!!
is this guy on crack?
Twill, James, Hump, and a load of picks….
BTW another reason why the Murphy trade SUCKED
Courtney Lee could’ve been a real nice piece in a deal like this
other reason being courtney lee was actually a good player who is a lot younger
why is everybody on the troy murphy bus?
Why are you not on the Troy Murphy bus?
Courtney Lee did not help our need in the power forward position. Troy Murphy does.
Courtney Lee did not help our rebounding. Troy Murphy will.
Courtney Lee’s abilities are expendable from the wings we have on the team. Troy Murphy’s aren’t from the big men we have.
Courtney Lee did not want to be here. Troy Murphy does.
because troy murphy is a 30 year old PF
who can’t play D and was never on any winning teams ever.
his only strength is consistency…
he’ll always be an OK player night after night.
the reason why his teams never won.
simple as that…he’s a bench player on good teams
He practically averages a double double.
You say he’s consistent.. so I don’t know how you could not be happy with a double double every night.
Compare that to Courtney Lee. His shooting was usually inconsistent and doesn’t do that much else other than some good defense.
Courtney Lee is a bench player on good teams too. Every player on this team could be a bench player on a good team man.
courtney lee was a starter for orlando
they went to the finals.
Devin was a starter for the mavs who went to the finals
Brook would never be coming off of anybody’s bench on any team..and that includes the lakers.
i think u might be putting too much value into stats right now.
Troy Murphy has been in the league for 9 years now…and his teams are always bad….good #‘s on bad teams…call it whatever, bottom line is that he he’s a winner
He didn't put up great numbers on a great team.
And he didn’t put up great numbers on a bad team where he had more responsibility.
Courtney Lee was just not best for this team.
If he puts up good numbers here, along with a guy like Melo, he could be on a winning team.
u can't say that courtney lee wasn't a good fit
u say that about CDR but not courtney.
he was here for 1 year..
Courtney Lee was a bad fit
- REASON HE NEVER WANTED TO PLAY FOR THE NETS EVER….
THERE ARE MAYBE 10 GUYS WHO AVERAGE DOUBLE DOUBLES IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE, TROY MURPHY IS ONE OF THOSE GUYS. GUYS LIKE COURTNEY ARE A DIME A DOZEN AND HIS SHOOTING DROPPED WHILE HERE. YPU ARE DOWN ON A TOP 10 GUY IN REBOUNDING AND SHOOTING PCT. IN FAVOR OF A GUY WHO WASN;T TOP 20 IN ANYTHING….
STOP IT….
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Courtney Lee was a quiet malcontent
He needed to be moved, period. He never wanted to be here.
I like the kid as a roleplayer, I thought he handled himself well by keeping his mouth shut, but if you don’t want to be here because you have this sense of entitlement about playing for a contender, which Houston isn’t btw, good riddance.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
courtney lee was a starter for orlando
they went to the finals.
so was Skip, and no one has signed him. Houston will be Lee’s 3rd team in three years. It’s called being a JOURNEYMAN.
yeah pretty much
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know smh
Alan Hahn is jus talking to talk in that sense, but the Murphy trade was a good trade for everyone, nobody knew how the Carmelo situation would turn out its better to be proactive sometimes, we needed a PF to help take over B4 Favors, and I mean I would rather have him than David Lee.
and that sense is no sense so that's where i have a problem with im.
all i’m saying billy king is an old man…and old dudes don’t change their ways too often..
meaning Billy King was trigger happy when he was with the sixers and is now…
sorry but the carmelo development was happening for weeks now
Yeah but Courtney Lee
Wasn’t that good he’s a role player at best he’s not going to prohibit us from getting Carmelo were already supposedly in the top two without him.
OLD MAN???
We just had 80 year old Rod Thorn. Billy King played at Duke for coach K… Can’t even take you seriously. Furthermore Murphy is a better chip because of his salary tag, the fact that its expiring and the fact that Denver could use him this season…lol.
His Salary and Melo would allow the 2 to be traded straight up. Murph, T-Will and 3 picks would get it done salary wise.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I’ll be right there with you in 3 months.
by calling all toasters on Aug 26, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my fantasy trade offer..
Harris, James, Humphries, $3 million, and 1st rounder
for
Melo and Afflalo
Then the depth chart would be
Farmar/Terrence Williams/Uzoh
Afflalo/Morrow
Melo/Outlaw
Murphy/Favors/May
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek
I'd up that to Two 1st rounders and I'll throw in Outlaw and Hump to help get salaries closer.
All Melo has to do is refuse S&Trades to other teams besides the Nets.
It would hurt Melo’s chances for a championship if the team he is going to gives up too much.
When will the reporters figure that one out?
Woops, I forget to throw in the $3 million from the REAL Most Interesting Man in the World.
The “acting” Most Interesting Man has been making appearances on ESPN.
He was on (with 2 adoring women) with Michelle Beadle’s program yesterday.
Can’t wait to see if they can get Proky in that role.
"World Wide Wes"
Anthony would be a fantastic pick-up, assuming Brook and Favors aren’t in the deal. That said, I hate the antics of World Wide Wes and CAA. From Lebron to Paul and now Anthony, etc., it seems they are trying to hijack the league. It’s like making a deal with the devil when you deal with these clowns.
by nynjlawyer on Aug 26, 2010 9:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There was nothing in Woj's article with any inside information about him going to the Nets, from either Melo, Nuggets or Nets.
However, it ALWAYS has been OBVIOUS that the Nets SHOULD be at the top or near the top of his list for the three reasons. Sometimes I wonder if people outside of the New York area are aware that the Nets play 30 minutes from midtown New York City.
And what right do these other reporters have for quickly assuming that Nets would would be willing to trade Lopez (or even Favors at this early time)?
If Nets have such talent, they should be also picking the Nets to make the playoffs.
I haven’t yet seen any reporter mention that Nets would be able to give TWO 1st round picks (say 2011 and 2012, not 2014 like the Knicks). And if reporters think so little of the Nets (and Warriors), those should be pretty good picks.
And you have to believe that if Nets were going to get Melo, they would want to part with Outlaw, who isn’t even available to trade until December 15.
Is Billy King even back from vacation yet?
This definitely is not good news. I would like to wait until January, when the Nets are playing 500 ball and the value of most of their players is much higher than it is now.
Nets will still be a favorite target for Melo in January, and they would have to give up less by then.
Good points
Although, if I had my choice, I’d rather get the deal done asap so the team can gel quicker. I still can’t believe that King got a vacation after 2 weeks on the job.
by nynjlawyer on Aug 26, 2010 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not a chance
Lopez will be touched. If there was ever an untouchable Net on this team now, I would say its Brook. I agree with everything you said.
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"We're looking at hiring the Red Army choir to perform at half-time along with Russia's top dancing bear collective." -Mikhail Prokhorov
"Don't worry about my cap" - Lou Lamoriello
King timed his vacation during a "lull" in Melo Time.
He knew nothing was likely to happen right now.
Before going further, I would like to see a firm list of dates when the new Nets are allowed to be traded?
When can Troy Murphy and Ross be traded?
Bottom line from my point of view
If we can somehow get ’Melo without giving up Favors ala Harris/Twill/Picks…I would be jumping for joy knowing that our future SF-C trio would be Melo/Favors/Lopez. BEAST.
again
our backcourt would be the worst in bball if we traded both Williamd and Harris. I wouldn’t trade for MELO, but if i had to choose, I’d rather keep Williams over Favors, and I think you’ll need to give them Derrick anyways if you want to get it done, it’s a bidding war, I doubt anything short of Harris and Favors and picks will get it done. Hopefully we’ll stay away.
no way
no way would i keep Williams over Favors.
You do not sacrifice size for perimeter. EVER. And I am a T-Will supporter.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sick of hearing things like this
Keeping him over Favors would let us be left with a decent backcourt, if you trade him and Harris your backcourt would be absolute crap, if you keep Williams and Murphy the team would be more balanced.
People say hey TWill had just 2 good months, heck what about Favors give me a break, I wouldn’t tradr either, I’d stay away from Melo, but I’d keep TWill over Derrick if I had to make a choice between those two.
You could be sick of hearing it, but most likely people are going to disagree because you are wrong
to win in this league all you need is a decent PG (if you have that top scorer that Melo is and Great Bigs) finding a decent SG will not be to difficult. most likely we will not give up both we have so many picks to give away thats also a huge help. But T-will potential compared to Favors Potential ?(not even mentioning the importance of his potision) is not even debatable
I'm wrong? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
stop it, you disagree, that’s it
how do you measure potential?
If you are keeping Murphy and losing Harris, then keeping Williams would be far more important from a roster imbalance point of view.
but again, i don’t want to trade either. stay away from melo. Staaaaaaaaaaay awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
A B B!
Anyone but Brook! A B B!
Give them Favors, TWILL, Picks, whatever. Just leave us with Brook, Devin, Morrow & Murphy. Add Melo and we are a playoff team, maybe even 6th seed. I am gettig excited!
Paul from Delray Beach
That.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Preference really.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
How about..
we wait till december and trade Harris, Outlaw, whoever and some picks.
Melo is stupid for hurting relations with Denver. Almost as stupid as LeBron was for his TV Production.
Melo is better off to wait until the season starts so he can make a wiser choice. Once he makes his choice he should demand a S&T only to the team of his choice.
That way the Nuggets couldn’t demand as much, and Melo’s new team would remain mostly intact.
As long as Favors and Lopez are off the table....
give Denver what they want
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Lets not get carried away here. We still need to field a team!
by Tim823 on Aug 26, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The only concern would be
backup guards. I’m not toooo concerned with Farmar and Morrow starting, but as of now, their projected backups would be Uzoh and Ross…which is scary.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Lets go get him
As long as we can keep Lopez and Favors. I see a frontcourt of Lopez/Favors/Melo and we will be contenders for a long time, once we boost the backcourt.
I think Harris + T Will would have to go to make this work, but I have no issues with that. I can see Damion James being a key contributor, Outlaw could be a great 6th man, and our weak link would be PG unless Farmer is as good as he says he is. LOL
Favors and Lopez should not be in the same category.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Favors & Brooks
I agree. Let go of Harris and Twill. I can deal with Farmar, on the first place we should have taken him instead of Marcus Williams years ago. I think we are lucky to get him.
With Anthony, developing the new NETS will have a clearer direction. The identity of the team will be built basically around Anthony and of course how well Favor and Brooks blend, We have enough offense to offset expected weak defense early in the season.
I am confident Avery J. will teach these guys how to do team defense. Just like Dallas , Nowitzki , Terry & Howard were not a good defenders but somehow competed strongly.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 26, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
for the 1000000000000000000000th time, we can’t afford to trade Devin and Terrence, our backcourt would be god awful, plain and simple
one will have to go
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
For gazillion times
Yes we will be weak if both are gone. But I wouldn’t trade Favor, he has great potential to be a good C/PF. This is the best chance to get Anthony, better than next year. He will be like Wade an attraction, and I am hoping it will be either CP3 or Rubio at least. If we get one then we are back, if not we still have a chance. I have seen a lot of NBA teams with excellent PG but never finished as champions. John Stockton(no good center), Gary Payton (Seattle only), Sam Cassell (when he left Huoston), Steve Nash, CP3, Derron Williams (work in progress). Kevin Johnson(no good center), even Oscar Robertson, Kidd(no center), Marc Jackson (with Toronto/Carter but no center).
Look at teams that finished as champions Lakers (PG fisher is defense /shooting). Lakers (Magic, the best lakers). Boston (Rondo was not that good till last year). San antonio (Avery wasn’t that great/Parker have a lot of help specially Horry & Ginobli).Chicago (only Amstrong & Paxon). Boston (bill russell, the best Celtics era).
NY Knicks ( Reed, best knicks team w/ walt Frazier). Yes it’s true PG is important but without a good center they will not make it. Right there are few good dominating centers and Brook is one of them and Favors have very good potential.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 27, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
you already have Lopez and Murphy inside
we can’t afford to go into the season with a backcourt of Farmar, Uzoh, Morrow and Ross, that rotation would be downright pathetic
Farmar is A CAREER BACKUP who averages 18mpg in his career playing behind a mediocre PG. He’s not a starter and which is worse, we’d have no back up to make things worse. and at the 2, more of the same, Morrow is better than Farmar but let’s see how he does out of Nellie’s system, I tihnk he could play 25-28 min a night on a winning team, but it wouldn’t be the long term answer as a starter and you can’t live with him starting and being backed up by Ross, give me a break, you can’t overlook the importance of having a decent backcourt, and that backcourt would be lightyears away from being decent, even if you added a couple of vets for the min
Nonsense
I know Uzoh and Ross as backups are insufficient to be it midly, but if we trade TWill, Harris and Humphries for Melo, that will free up two roster spots. As a result, we could bring in a Chris Quinn or Skip to My Lou or Rashad McCants to fill those holes. I know they aren’t all-world players, but they would suffice, I guess.
As for Farmer, I’ve already explained why you should not be concerned about him starting.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Quinn? Skip? McCants? Serously? And you talk about NONSENSE? Those guys DON’T BELONG in the the NBA, the backcourt would still be PATHETIC, esp since they’d be backing up MEDIOCRE starters, again we don’t know if Farmar is a true starter to begin with
did he really mention
chris and rafer???hahahahahaha
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
And Morrow is our current starting 2-guard anyway
so I don’t know what the hand wringing is for over that issue.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
yes
and that’s why I’m concerned about starting and giving 30+ minutes a nigt to a guy who IS A CAREER BACK UP who has AVERAGED 18 MPG behind a MEDIOCRE pg and who have been so unimpressive the Lakers even didn’t bother extending him his QO
He’s a career backup for the Los Angeles Lakers in a system that doesn’t highlight any of his strengths.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
yes
The Lakers essentially play without a pg…how many times does Fisher take the ball up the court compared to Kobe, or even Odom does sometimes…thats not helping Farmar develop. I think he can be a starter in this league as a true pg
by Mike LaMonica on Aug 27, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Let me repeat
For the people who are wringing their hands over Farmar starting, Avery Johnson started and won a championship with Sean Elliot, Tim Duncan, and David Robinson in the front court. It could be argued he was the worst starter on that team (with Del Negro). If anybody can coach Farmar how to be a quality PG with an abundance of talent around him, it’s Avery, because he has actually done it.
Keep in mind, similarly, Farmar would have Lopez, Favors, and Melo in the frontcourt.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Same perspective
It happened before and I agree and believe also that Avery can do it with very good Center and athletic PF like Favor and Anthony as person that will make their potential developed smoother rather than force this guy to be dominant right away without an all star like anthony.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
All Farmar needs to do…provided we have Melo…is dribble the damn ball up the court…keep turnovers low(something Twill hasn’t figured out)..and dump it to Melo/Murphy/Brook who can create matchups and kick it to guys like Morrow…Farmar does not need to be a scorer…something that Harris has had to do the past few years…I personally would rather have Farmar at the 1 than Harris if we have Melo at the 3
by Mike LaMonica on Aug 27, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
You don’t need to be CP3 , but maybe next year we have CP3 cause favors , Brooks and anthony will dominate.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Lopez and Murphy
Yes you are right. But Murphy is no that good and probably good for one year and will be like Van Horn. Lopez will not developed even half dominating as Patrick Ewing. Anthony is good but lacks the killer instinct of Kobe, Bird, Magic, Olajuwoon, Duncan and of course Jordan. Anthony can be dominating but playoff time he is not at par with these great hall of famers. We are trying to find that guy, the closest is Lebron and maybe next is Wade. Devin and Terrence are only good. Favor is new, but who knows he could be the one, just like Avery said when Duncan came he wasn’t the type to dominate, Tim just have the right attitude and lots of help from Robinson, which I hope Brook can match. I know Farmar must have pcik up a lot from Fisher and he can fill that role position decently until we find one next year.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Anthony in the playoffs
In the past two seasons has averaged
08-09: 27ppg 6rpg 4apg 45%FG
09-10: 30ppg 9rpg 3apg 46%FG
hmm……
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Harris and James (he’ll be getting limited minutes anyway behind outlaw and Melo.) I like James alot, but unless he can play the 2, from a roster balance point of view it would make more sense to couple him with harris hump and picks.
Keeping T Will
Yes I would do that too but James is a lower potential thanT. Will so it would make less appeal to the Nuggets. But that is very good if it happens.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You are wrong
It’s been explained 10000000000000000000 times why you are wrong.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Trade might not happen
Trading Kevin and Terrence is the best offer scenario that makes sense for both teams and money wise with some throw ins like, draft rights, Hump & Ross. I don’t think Outlaw, Murphy and the other new vets are tradeable. That leaves only Favors and Brooks, which is the best offer. But this one doesn’t make sense cause Brooks is good and Favor can be better than Brooks
But I agree this is wrong , I don’t like the trade either and not a great fan of anthony, but if NETS would do the trade I would prefer this option. Of course there are other scenario but I don’t think it will work with the nuggets.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 27, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont whether to be happy or sad. i dont want headlines next year to be reading: ’Melo To Leave Jersey: Headed to Knicks. But i do believe he would sign an extension here. Anybody want to sway me
well I'd imagine this would be a sign and trade no?
No way the Nets make the move unless they have insurance that Melo will be locked in for the move to Brooklyn. We need to get this done.
If we do a deal for him
He would sign an extension. I doubt Nets would make a deal that includes young talent and draft picks for a chance of him being a rental. He would probably be S&T here, making the Nets sure they have him locked up.
~AC24
Nobody will make the trade without an extension.
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
Chooo Chooo ... all aboard!
by faNETicS on Aug 26, 2010 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Would love to get Carmello but we cannot give up Brook Lopez. I would hate to give up Twill as well but I think we might have to.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 26, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
If Only We Could Trade Outlaw Now
So he could be the filler in the trade.
Otherwise,
Murphy
T.Williams
2012 GS #1
2011 NJ #1
2011 GS #2
2012 NJ #2
$3m Cash
for
Melo
Trade Exception (if we have the money) or Humphries
for
Chris Andersen
Harris / Farmar / Uzoh
Morrow / Ross
Anthony / Outlaw / D.James
Favors / Andersen (or Humphries) / May
Lopez / Petro / Zoubek
If only...
we could outlaw? or my trade posted is what it took to land him?
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 26, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
All this keep Lopez talk. I would rather keep Devin, Twill, Morrow, Favors, and Murphy if we could keep all them as opposed to keeping Brook but losing a few assets.
We Have to Trade Harris or Murphy
To make the salaries work.
Also, I think we can trade Murphy whenever since we are under the cap.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
then you're an idiot
plain and simple…Brook Lopez is THE most important part of this team right now to be a contender
by Mike LaMonica on Aug 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Idiot.
Harris dominates other guards far more the Brook dominates against other bigs. In fact, I cant really think of a Big that he dominates against. He ALONE wont help us against the Magic or Lakers. Maybe the Heat.
how about
Every center in our conference except Howard? Do you forget Brook is in his 3rd year? Harris is starting to decline? Brook Lopez is the future of the Nets…not Devin Harris…and I do love Harris as much as the next guy.
by Mike LaMonica on Aug 26, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say I would rather trade Brook as opposed to Harris… idiot, read it.
I said I dont see what the advantage of trading more, compared to less. Granted we dont know what other teams, or players are involved, but to trade away Harris, Twill, AND FAVORS all in the name of keeping Brook… I dont know.
Brook gets owned by defensive centers, which there are a LOT of on contending teams. Roy Hibbert makes Brook look like Roy Hibbert.
Lopez is far more important to this team than Harris. You are totally dillusional if you think otherwise. Brook is emerging as a top tier Center, much harder to find than a solid guard.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Allow me to repost.
I didn’t say I would rather trade Brook as opposed to Harris.
I said I dont see what the advantage of trading more, compared to less. Granted we dont know what other teams, or players are involved, but to trade away Harris, Twill, AND FAVORS all in the name of keeping Brook… I dont know.
Carmelo is not sighing an extension without
A future allstar big like Lopez, Anthony and a bunch of wings wont cut it.
Lol.
Brook is the best player on the team and is one of the youngest. Not to mention cost controlled IIRC. Trading Brook and adding Carmelo is a marginal gain at best.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
still think Houston is where it's at
give the Nuggets the assets the Knicks traded the Rockets for TMac’s expiring contract:
—Jared Jeffries
—Jordan Hill
—Knicks 2012 pick, protected top 1
—right to swap 2011 picks, protected 1-5.
right?
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Melo doesnt want to play for Houston
So that pretty much nixes that deal.
by eLonepb on Aug 27, 2010 3:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
how do you know?
according to Woj, he’s thriblled about playing for the rockets, more so than with NY
Per an agent
Melo would rather play for a minor league basketball team than the Rockets.
by eLonepb on Aug 27, 2010 6:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
enough
first off this has nothing to do with what we were discussing, second i’ve explained this and backed my opinion with lengthy and thought argument dont try to belitlle my opinion by saying you’re a lover blah blah blah, I’m sick of this crap, I’ll say then you’re a blind Melo fan boy, you know what there’s a Denver blog called Denver stiffs you can go there and root for your boy
My trade offer is better
TWill, Humphries, Harris, Nets first rounder, GS first rounder
It’s obviously better than that Houston offer.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
If I'm Billy King
1- I have my BlackBerry on 24/7
2- I get on the next flight back to NJ to work with Bobby Marks to get this deal done
3- GIve them a decent offer and see if they bite. This deal is for Murphy, TWill, Hump, 3 or 4 picks.
4- If they say no, add Damion James
5- If they ask for Brook and Devi, Billy says BYE BYE! No thanks.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 26, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
Max Offer
T.Williams
D.James
Murphy
2012 GS #1
2011 NJ #1
2011 GS #2
2012 NJ #2
$3m Cash
Cap Savings
for
Melo
Balkman/Andersen
No Favors
No Lopez
No Harris (unless we get Billups
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 26, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That Would Leave Us With
Harris / Farmar / Uzoh
Morrow / Ross
Anthony / Outlaw / Balkman
Favors / Humphries / May
Lopez / Petro / Zoubek
We sign one more SG for a vet minimum contract and we are all set.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 26, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the back up 2 and back up big men would be horrible, esp when you take into account Morrow and Favors (too raw) would be starting at those positions
we could possibly get Murphy back if he gets waived
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Really not sure why we want a bona fide malcontent like Melo
who could wind up just as malcontented in NJ. Remember how badly Stephon Marbury wanted to leave Minnesota and come to the New York area? His presence did nothing for NJ until Phoenix took him of the Nets’ hands in exchange for JKidd, which turned out to be the best Nets trade of all time.
by jsg on Aug 26, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually
NI said he can be traded. so take it easy there buddy
by corky_romano4life on Aug 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
i would be fine with giving up anything except for Devin, Brook or Favors
i know most of you would say harris should be on the table but i really really think that devin is going to have a good year next year.
have to give up murphy then
and have the same PF prob again
Something to Contemplate
Let’s say the Clippers offer Gordon and Griffin as someone suggested above.
a) Why would Melo agree to play there with those players gone? Then they only have Baron Davis, Aminu, Eric Bledsoe, Kaman… nothing to write home about.
b) Would Melo want to be #2 to Kobe in LA? I personally think he wants to be the #1. He would own Brooklyn. My point: would Melo accept an extension to play under a TERRIBLE owner in Kobe’s state?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 26, 2010 11:54 PM EDT reply actions
They don't need Melo's consent.
He doesn’t have a NTC does he?
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
he might not
sign an extension, meaning the team probably would not make the trade – too risky
by corky_romano4life on Aug 27, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
then why should we offer Favors?
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Bang Bang chu chu train!!!
exactly. these trades are usually very unbalanced. The team getting the getting the superstar doesnt give up much but picks and maybe a solid player
i dont think it makes much sense
to trade for Melo and still keep Outlaw…
outlaw should be coming off the bench anyway in the first place
imagine if the nuggets took twill, jame, and hump and a load of picks for melo.
in a few years
devin
marrow
melo
favors
lopez
with murphy, outlaw, and farmar coming off the bench
Morrow is the shooting Guard
Shooting is in the position name….lol. Morrow is one of the best shooters in the League. He would assure his man won’t help. As no one in the league would allow him open shots. He makes them now with hands in his headband. His challenge will be becomng a decent defender. Not a lock down defender just a decent one. And the route he has taken coming into the league he doesn’t seem to be afraid of hard work.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
for the 1000000000000th time
imagine if the nuggets took twill, jame, and hump and a load of picks for melo.
salaries don’t match, you need to trade either troy or devin
It Must Be Troy or Devin
AND T-Will/James, Hump And 3 Picks. That’s ALOT to me. If They are rebuilding completely they take Troy as a dump. If they still want to be competitive they take Devin and let billups walk or trade him at the deadline to a contender.(OMG… What if Billups ends up in Miami) See nothing good can come of this…lol.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
From a roster balance point of view, if you give up devin or troy then you would have to give up James. I can’t see the Nets wanting to have Melo, Outlaw at 35/yr., and have James just sitting on the end of the bench. I’m pretty sure none of these guys can play the 2 or the 4.
I just can't wrap my mind around loosing T-Will and James as well
I really hope that this doesn’t happen though.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
my take on it
If you can get carmelo without giving up too much then go for it. I would say Lopez is completely untouchable. After that, I think i would give up pretty much anyone but it would depend on what the package is. I wouldn’t want to give up Twill and favors in the same trade. Anyway, I figure that if denver is trading carmello, they pretty much are going to rebuild so why do they need billups then? trade him too. here’s a 3way I came up with.
NJ gets Carmelo
Denver gets Chris Paul, Stojakovic
NO gets Billups, murphy, Favors, and maybe someone else
Throw in some #1 picks to Den and NO since they want to rebuild. NJ gets melo obviously but Den gets a yound superstar in return provided that paul still wants to be traded. Stojakovic is an expiring contract. His along with Martin will either clear cap room or you can turn around and trade another star player. NO starts a rebuild but gets billups to team with West to be a decent team, throw in a young prospect and draft picks. they can buyout murphy or let his contract expire as well.
The thing is PF who would play PF for the Nets to me if Murphy isnt involved i would do it
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
State Sales Tax is a big issue with these guys
Lebron went to Miami (no state tax) and thats what houston offers as well for anthony.
personally i don’t want to have to watch him shoot 25 shots a night in NJ
lets go with the young, rounded team we have now!
I agree with half of what you're saying
The tax thing might be important, but LeBron also wanted to play with Wade and Bosh in neither Cleveland or Toronto. He’s a special case.
Carmelo on the other hand is not as large a celebrity as LeBron IMO. He’s great, but he’s not LeBron. Going to Houston will not be great for him because he will be #2 to Yao.
If he comes to BROOKLYN he will be THE MAN. His sponsorship $ will most definitely increase in the NJ/NY area (especially Brooklyn), so that income tax might not be such a huge deal. I think he’s buying into the whole Proky/Jay-Z thing. If he comes to this area, I believe he will be in the spotlight way more than in Denver, which I think he wants.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 27, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yao will retire this year is my prediction
his foot will not heal right
by ILikeSports on Aug 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That
makes Houston even worse!
Their core, if they traded Brooks and Martin, would be…. Scola and Courtney Lee? OUCH.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 27, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree but i don't think that is houston's offer
in this thread NI lists:
—Jared Jeffries
—Jordan Hill
—Knicks 2012 pick, protected top 1
—right to swap 2011 picks, protected 1-5.
which i agree is a fairly lame pkg of talent but if Den is looking to rebuild this might be the way. They have Billups so i doubt they want Harris.
yeah...i wouldn't give NI too much cred to re-post his posts
decent writer but never really has any inside scoop…
btw...i would think devin is the first player that hey ask about after brook
billups is on his way out
no to brook
no to devin
no to favors
actually…if the nets gave up everyone else and all the picks in the next 3 years for Melo
I actualyl think i’ll be happy with that deal
i agree...
we need devin! I think we need Murphy too tho..
i have a feeling billy king is gonna do something stupid like blow up this entire core.
king did mention he will be more patient this time around. i hope he listens to his own words.
Denver wins
They get rid of an elite scorer who is an average defender, can’t win a title for them, don’t have to pay max $ for him and will get something reasonable in return because he is overrated. If the Nets get him we have a front court player who is an average defender that will eliminate our flexibility possibly for years, cost us good players and picks and we can’t win a title with him. Denver had a good coach, a defensive PF that Favors could only hope to become years later, a better PG, two front court players in Nene and Anderson that defend better than Brook and they still couldn’t win a title with Melo. Why would we? It’s not how little we give up to get him, it’s he will not make us a future title contender and if he fails we have no flexibility. The fact that we have many assets will always make us a top trading partner. We shouldn’t blow it on a guy who can’t deliver. Max $ should be spent on players who deliver max results. There are only a few who deserve it and he isn’t one of them.
by msm2 on Aug 27, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
-1
Carmelo is absolutely a max player, there is not even a question about that. Just because you think max money is only reserved for an elite, that does not make it an accurate representation of what NBA players are getting paid.
Carmelo is one of the best scorers in the NBA. Hands down.
That puts him ahead of many other players who are making huge money.
by eLonepb on Aug 27, 2010 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
they're not getting Favors
I don’t understand why I read proposals from other teams that don’t even come close to what the Nets supposedly would have to give up.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You Kids are CCCCRAAAAAZZZZY.
Melo is a top, first round pick all-star. And yes, he is proven.
Some of you cats want to give away as many as 4 or 5 past or future top 15 picks?!?!?!?!?
CCCCRAAAAZZZYYy…
I have one thing to say to you:
“MELLOOOOOO OUT!”
Actually....
If he comes here that All-Star thing will be tough. He will never get more votes than Lebron at his position unless the fans truly show thier disgust for “the Decision”. Paul Peirce, Danny Granger, Danillo…… Im sorry i couldnt resist…lol
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Pierce, Gallo, and Granger would not make the ASG over Anthony
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Was joking about Gallo
But if he is here we need to be good and he needs to average 27 maximum. If he averages more it will mean he is taking 30 shots a game that won’t be good for the team. Granger has a point gaurd now. And if the Celtics stay atop the division thier best player namely Pierce will get consideration. Unless Rondo totally suplants him.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
The Key To A deal WIth Denver is.......BALKMAN!
Here is yet another chance for me to stick it to Isiah Thomas for wasting a first round pick on that loser Balkman. Glad Thomas and his big ego are stuck coaching a second rate college team, but I’d rather he was coaching Delray High School, so I could go to every game and boo the crap out of him. Balkman the next Rodman? Sure you little creep!
Paul from Delray Beach
check around the site
there’s a trade assets section that will detail everything we have to offer
we could give you guys our entire 2012 draft if you want
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Since we can trade murphy
I say we give them
Twill
Murphy
Humphries
3 first round picks (let manangement sort out the years and stuff)
and cash considerations (3 million maybe?)
In this trade, the salaries match up and we instantly become a contending team in the eastern conference.
power forward????
In your scenario who plays power forward that makes us a playoff team?? Favors?? you gave away our starter and a backup with nba experience.
Makes no sense at all.
Favors would be playing it
Favors doesnt have to be a superstar to play that postition. he just needs to be effective. And believe me being ins aline-up with Harris Morrow Anthony and Lopez he will be able to at least be a solid contributor
if they didn't think he should start
when they had a rebuilding team in place, imagine if they landed Antohny and had a bigger need for inmediate results
Please Melo go away! Leave the nets alone!
by power_njerz on Aug 27, 2010 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I know we're in the minority...
But I’m with you. We haven’t even seen this team play one game yet and we’re gonna break it down. I wanna wait and see… Favors under Mitchell, Avery, and Popeye is gonna be great. James is gonna develop into a great player, as well. Let’s wait before we get into a bidding war and give up way too much.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 7:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
So you'd prefer to wait
Watch us lose many games, and then say “Dang, wish we had made a move for Carmelo”?
I will never wish for melo to be on this team.
here are my worries:
I dont think him and avery would work together, I think the lure of trouble in nyc will be too much for him, i think he will stifle the young players growth, I think we will give up a young player that we will regret and I just generally dont like Melo’s game. He let danilo gallinari light him up for his career high because instead of playing good defense on him he just wanted to outscore him. I loathe players like that.
i mean look at this melo drops 50 on the nyc but harrington scores 41 and grabs 10rbs. denver wins by 3pts, 128 to 125.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-p5oe8px1g
now look at the defense he plays on gallo in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7X_QsGcO0Y
HE played noooooo defense at all. He didnt fight over 1 screen or body the dude!! an elite player takes the defensive side of the court as a challenge also. they play the same position yet when gallo got hot he switched aflalo billups and even tried smith on him instead of melo. I dont want someone that believes he can just outscore the other team, if his shot isnt falling he is a ghost.
by power_njerz on Aug 27, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in favor of hoping Melo goes away until around Christmas time. Melo would be wise to do that for his own good.
I’m confident the value of the Nets players will increase by then and also the 4 players from free agency would available for trade by then.
The most desirable player (from Nets standpoint) to be included in a Melo trade would be Outlaw, and he can’t be traded now.
Any type of bidding war at this time would be a loss for Nets.
Nets should be around a 500 team by end of year. They won’t fall apart due to lack of Chemistry if they happened to get Melo for Outlaw + ? + ? at that time.
Also, it is a given that any trade for Melo should include Two 1st round picks and a gift of $3 million from Proky.
I have no problem with a melo for outlaw and picks move. That way we still keep our young players. I doubt denver waits that long though.
Also, I'm not clear whether Jarvis Hayes could be included in a trade and what he would count towards cap space.
Maybe there is someone else we don’t know about who could be included to fill up the cap space without having to part with Harris, Favors or Murphy (who have the higher salaries on Nets besides Outlaw).
I have a feeling though that the value of TWill, DJames, Harris, Outlaw, Farmar and possibly Favors would increase by the end of the year.
Someone needs to get the message to Melo that he should “play nice” and delay. Melo would be better off if the team he goes to isn’t gutted.
that guy has way too much power
too bad the NBA is too corrupt to clean up some of the business dealings going on here
You have agents and behind the scene thugs controlling the NBA landscape via backstage tampering and using players as middlemen. This has become a joke.
David Stern looks like a fool that has no control over his league.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Hayes could be Signed & Traded
He’d have to agree to it. Chances are taht if he’s included, it might be in a KVH type of scenario. Sign him for $2.5mil, guarantee only $500k. Nuggets could then decide to keep him or waive him.
This.
And if we get Melo, Outlaw’s 5 year, 35 mil contract WILL be the overpay everyone else says it is. As a starter, he’d be a bargain. But playing 8-10 MPG behind Melo, we’ll never be able to move that contract. Give it til Christmas time if we’re gonna make a move for him.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not sure where you're getting that.
The only person that I’ve seen mention that is NI, and you’ll excuse me if I have doubts about his “sources close to the situation” in Denver.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 8:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Melo....
….basically took a boo boo all over the Nuggets to the owner’s face. He is not wearing a Nuggets uniform again.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe JayZ of all people can talk some sense into Melo and convince him that it is in his best interest to stay in Denver until Christmas.
It would take a “back room” side show like JayZ to undo another back room side show like WWW.
I doubt that works
Denver’s owner is 30 years old, and supposedly got into a heated face to face exchange with Anthony. It’s over.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
John, I'll go one step further
I would like to see this current roster make it to training camp in tact. Let’s see how the players and the coaches mesh together before we dismantle it and start over.
???
I’m puzzled right now. we have a chance to get one of the best players in the league, a player that can take us to that next level and then some, and you say “Melo please go away”??? can you at least explain why you wouldn’t want a player of this calibur of your team?
Because he's a high offense, NO defense ball hog who hasn't won squat.
As he ages, I’d bet that we’re gonna see the same thing we saw from Vince Carter: Melo’s gonna stop driving to the basket and start chucking up shots- which he isn’t all that good at, anyway.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 8:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And word is that he is not happy with Denver because he isn’t treated enough like a Franchise player – Superstar.
We don’t need that right now.
It was only when Billups went to Denver that they become winners.
Most of us would take Melo, but don’t want to give up future star(s) to get him.
We don’t even know who the future stars will be until maybe a few months into this season.
So you want to wait until we know whether they are stars
What kind of logic is that?
If they aren’t stars, you’ll want to trade them for Anthony, and hope Denver wasn’t paying attention to their performances?
Why are we debating what somebody MIGHT become when we could get a PROVEN superstar?
by eLonepb on Aug 27, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I seem to remember
Anthony getting Denver to the playoffs prior to Billups getting there
Billups deserves a lot of credit because he is a solid floor general and a leader, but lets not act like Denver was wallowing in their own spit prior to him coming there.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I know....
Everyone is so happy we have moved from a 12 win laughing stock to a probable 30+ back of the playoff hunt team that they seem to have forgotten the objective is a billion dollar value dynasty in Brooklyn within 5 years.
Wait another year for a new CBA and our salary cap to be eaten up by resigning Brook and all the sudden we are going to be a very good team stuck behind a few great teams. We have to move now while we can and there are only ever a handful of studs so go get one. We are after greatness.
Melo can be had without blowing up our current team. I will miss TWILL but lets be serious (TWILL vs Melo). I really like D James come on he is not going to see much playing time with Melo in front at the 3 and he is almost as old as Melo. And picks – worthless when we are a serious year in year out contender. Finally Murphy was a great pickup – and he will become the greatest Nets pickup ever if he allows us to get Melo without breaking up our core.
Melo is not perfect. Melo is not Kobe or Wade or Lebron. Melo is a stud and we need a stud to win it all. Avery and his staff will make it work. Get Melo and we walk into Brooklyn as a legitimate title contender – maybe even as the 2011-12 defending champs.
You don't know if TWill is the only decent player to have to go.
In December in could be TWill + Outlaw if both start off the season looking good.
Melo would have to cooperate, unless he wants the team he goes to, to be blown up.
I doubt Denver is going to wait too much longer.
Sounds like Melo and Denver’s ownership are not to happy with each other right now. Imagine Melo playing with a team and coaches that know he doesn’t want to be there. Could turn ugly then Denver might have to settle for less.
?????
Melo is a bruiser, he’s an good rebounder and not just a “High Offense” player. When he needs to he plays defense (ask kobe bryant) and on top of all that, in some sets he can play a stretch for. Anytime you have an oppurtunity to get a player like melo, you jump on it
yeah
I’ve seen Melo get down and defend. That’s not a question, it’s getting him to do so when we need it.
Team defense is more important than his individual defense. It’s insane to think that he can come in and stop Lebron or Kobe. That’s not his job. His job would be to put up the points, rebound, and buy into the team defense system that Avery will have in place.
Give me 28+ pts and a go to guy to go along with Lopez and eventually Favors and I’m sold.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't care that Melo averages 3 asts per. He is NOT a passer.
He is a scorer. An ELITE, STUD scorer.
People on this site have been crying for MONTHS that we won’t get anywhere without a superstar stud.
Well here he is, and he’s available.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s a HIGH volume shooter who is not all that efficient, esp come playoff time and doesn’t have the ability to make his teammates better to make up for it.
what dominant scorer isn't a high volume shooter?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I ask the same question
People keep talking about his defense, like Avery wouldn’t demand that.
This guy is one of the highest scoring players in the league, a GO-TO in crunch time who succeeds, and one of the most talented all around players in awhile.
To NOT get him is crazy. I’m just so glad some of these people aren’t our GM.
What has Melo proven in Denver with a much better team than ours?
And George Karl is a great coach, why is playing under Avery gonna flick a switch that Karl couldn’t?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NBA playoffs every year
A team that barely won any games before he got there.
Do you REALLY need the evidence when we’re talking about Carmelo friggin Anthony?
by eLonepb on Aug 27, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I guess Chauncey Billups, KMart, and the rest of a much better team than our’s had nothing to do with it? You think Farmar and Billups are interchangable as Melo’s starting PG if we trade Devin? Favors won’t be a liability if we immediately throw him in a starting role with no Murphy? What about when he gets in foul trouble or god forbid injured?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 8:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
exactly eLonepb
This talk about Melo not proving anything is foolish
He is a DIFFERENCE MAKER, simple and plain. A difference maker at age 19 that came in and carried a Denver team to the playoffs in a STACKED western conference.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html
Sit there and thumb through that if you want to dis this kid. He may have had past issues, but we’d be foolish to pass on him as long as the deal makes sense for us. Has not missed the playoffs ONCE in his career.
I don’t want to lose Favors or Lopez in a deal, but ENOUGH. The guy is a flat out stud, superstar scorer simple and plain. Those scoring numbers are ungodly.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
What has Melo proven in Denver with a much better team than ours?
And George Karl is a great coach, why is playing under Avery gonna flick a switch that Karl couldn’t?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+11
@ eLonepb i’m with you on that one. Idk how these people ecpect to win a ring without someone like that on the team.
Well Denver expected to win a ring WITH him, ask them how that worked out.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Look how badly they wanted him
Think that’s just coincidental?
by eLonepb on Aug 27, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a player that can take us to that next level
I don’t know what you understand by next level, but if it’s championship level, you’re way off.
Carmelo Anthony has yet to be on a losing team
So I don’t understand this.
Denver’s teams IMO never had the right pieces. Maybe pairing Anthony with a legit center that can score inside and outside, an athletic freak at PF that could possibly become an all star PF, and better roleplayers can make a difference?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Prokhorov wants his superstar
If Melo is accurately open to the Nets, I think they make this happen.
Even if it means getting rid of players we love.
Your starting lineup would be
PG: Twill
SG: Twill
PF: Twill
SF: Twill
C: Twill
4 other guys would just run around to set screens for him.
pg: Melo
sg: Melo
sf: Melo
pf: Melo
c: Melo
Coach Melo
Meloooooooooooo
Melooooooooooooooooooo’s a suuuuuuuuuuuuperstar
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Melooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaby
Meloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo’s our suuuuuuuuuuuuperstar
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Andres
You and I usually agree, but with all due respect, you are wrong this time.
You know my stance on what I’m willing to give up for him. If the deal is right, we bring this kid in here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Im sorry but
that is a ludicrous statement.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
NO BROOK!
NO BROOK!
If these Nets give up Brook Lopez for Melo…I will literally be done with the NBA and over 20 years of being a New Jersey Nets fan. Brook it !!
Go Nets!
I sincerely doubt that King and Avery are stupid enough to trade Brook.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
WOW!
When, if ever, were the Nets and Clippers the lead franchises for a stud???? What a new world! And if we get him and keep a Brook and/or Favors, wow!
Never, which makes it fishy...
Somebody said in the early posts on this topic… Maybe Denver “leaked” that the 2 worst teams in the league- historically speaking- were the front runners for his talents to straigten him out.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this
I like Melo, would love to have him as our perimeter stud…to go WITH our two young bigs.
Anything that does not involve putting together a core of Lopez/Favors/Anthony is absolutely stupid.
Anthony is NOT going to agree to an extension with a team that has been gutted to trade for him. To think that he would is delusional. Absolutely DELUSIONAL.
So all of the trade ideas where we give up Lopez, or Favors, or any combination of Harris and one of those two…just stop it. Now if we’re talking picks, expirings, Harris, and either Williams or James, or both(sadly), then you’re talking serious.
We want to win, but not at the expense of our frontcourt or common sense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Carmelo Anthony and Ty Lawson
for
Devin Harris, Terrence Williams, Kris Humphries, 3 picks, cash
They will probably ask for more so I (sadly) decide between D. James and Murphy, and I most likely cough up D. James.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Mostly agree
But I’m not so sure I’d say no to Favors. He’s an unknown, and while I’m hoping he’ll pan out, Carmelo Anthony’s don’t come around very often…
by eLonepb on Aug 27, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe the hype with Derrick "sexual" Favors
And it is rare I believe the hype. I want him staying in New Jersey.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
he is an unknown
every player is unknown when they come out of the draft.
but I don’t give them the #3 pick, especially one with Favors’ upside. We give him up and we could end up still having to search for a PF, and guess what? We won’t have the available capspace to go out and sign one(like an Al Horford) after a trade for Melo, if I’m not mistaken(and please correct me if I am). So then what?
The goal is to be a championship caliber team, not middling the pack. We are not the Knicks.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
If we trade for ’Melo…We must keep Harris, Brook, Favors…anyone else can go…As much as I love Twill and the idea of having Troy at PF…
In 7 seasons Carmelo averages 25 ppg and 6 rpg…he’s a legit go to guy…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
and we could possibly get Troy back if Denver just wants his expiring deal
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I strongly believe Harris is gone.
I may be wrong, but I dont see that NOT happening.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Harris going is fine.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
why? Harris is a good PG
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I want Ty
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Ty sucks compared to Harris
If we trade harris im all against a Melo trade
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Well then I guess you are against a Melo trade
because Im pretty sure that is what we will see.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Harris is our backcourt..
If we trade harris then we are an unbalanced team with melo
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I dont think a backcourt of Ty Lawson and Morrow
is as terrible as people think. Ty could really end up being a very good player as a starter, and we know Morrow’s shooting ability is crazy good. Its not what would be considered a good backcourt, but it could be in a couple years if Lawson gets good coaching, which he would with the Nets.
But remember, without giving up Favors, our future frontcourt could look like
Brook
Favors
Carmelo
This is one of the best frontcourt’s in the league assuming Derrick blows up. And also, we currently have Troy Murphy, and I think we’d be keeping him. Thats also a GREAT frontcourt.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Harris is not going
Denver will want to keep Billups as the face of the team (the local hero who already has a ring) so they will sign him to an extension that trades his current $14 mil for a 3 year $24 mil deal. He had a great year last year and he will spend more time at the 2 with Lawson becoming the lead PG. So for the same $ as Devin they get the veteran winning local hero Billups and keep the cheap future PG in Lawson.
They need other pieces – athletic young wings and picks. This means TWILL and D James + Picks.
Fill in the salary with Murphy who by the way fills in some points that Melo will be taking. Now you have a rebuilding position (lots of expiring) but still a good team with a local face (Billups) and lots of upside. THis could be an instant turn around for Denver – and how often does that happen when you lose a superstar?
Denver should not come ot winners in this situation...
If they do that means somebody grossly overpaid for Melo…
I agree with Murphy, Hump + James + one #1 pick…
I dont see why they'd take that
They’ll at least want more picks.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I would also put Denver on the clock...
Make them an offer and timetable. Don’t let them play some other team against you. Denver should not get equal value for their unfortunate situation.
+1
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
if...
…it means making the trade work, I give up Harris. If we can keep him, Lopez, and Favors, awesome. But out of those three, I give Harris up withoput hesitation.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
If it means keeping Twill and Murph, I would give up Favors over Harris. I would rather preserve the excellent starting 5 we now have(and add melo to it) then hope Favors some day pans out.
What no one has mentioned, and I am trying to find someone who knows…. Everyone says we have to include so and so to “make the salaries work.”
Well what does that mean? Why cant we go into the lux tax?
The salaries would have to match, if i'm not mistaken or come within a certain %
We just can’t send players making pocket change in return for someone making 16(if im not mistaken) this season.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Well how does that work with 3 way deals then? It would have to be a very forgivable % if I think about some of the NBA’s trades…
not sure
but we’re going to have to include Harris or Murphy in any deal for this to work
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Salaries
The Salaries in the trade have to come within 25% of each other. If melo makes $16M this year, the Nets would have to trade between $12M-$20M in this year’s salary to Denver.
by TheMann2 on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The inbound salaries have to be less than or equal to 125% of the outbound salaries, unless a team is under the cap by more than that 25% buffer. Same thing applies to multi team deals. Every team has to get less than or equal to 125% of the salaries they send out, unless they are under the cap by enough to accommodate for that. Assuming we waive all the guys with partial guarantees, I believe we can have up to $4mil in cap space, which means we’d have to send out at least $13mil in salaries to fit just Anthony.
to be honest
i’d rather keep d james than harris. and that’s no slight against devin
imagine something extremely witty here
How quickly could this happen?
You gotta figure ‘Melo isn’t going to start the season in Denver so I would expect this to happen relatively quickly?
Denvers GM is in place
My guess…Nets have already made an offer
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Is there any reason
for Denver to act slowly? I would love for this to be resolved soon, I can’t live on ND for the next 2 months like I did for the LeBron saga.
they would be fools to act slowly
It will be UGLY if Carmelo is a Nugget come training camp.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The Nets should consider..
themselves lucky that they don’t have to deal with any of these thugs at CAA. Proky should think twice before he opens up a can of worms..
I don't think Proky is afraid of a can of worms...
I say this deal will happen if Proky, Denver and Melo want it to happen.
Proky wants a star. Melo is a star… 1+1=2
Harris-Melo-Lopez
Nice balance…with a supporting case of Outlaw, Morrow, Farmar, James, Favors, etc.
I would sign a vet….Ime Udoka to play Shooting Guard
If we can get Murphy back…we are contenders IMO
Harris/Farmar/Uzoh
Udoka/Morrow
Melo/Outlaw/James
Murphy/Favors/May
Lopez/Petro/Zobek
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
i wouldnt give twill and favors…it would hurt a lot to trade favors.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
To get a talent like Carmelo
Would change this franchise yet again…think JKidds arrival…but at what cost?
I would absolutely NOT give up Lopez and Harris.
I would do everything else I could to get him, and if it means TWill, Favors and a whole lotta picks then so be it.
A trio of Harris, Melo and Lopez would be ill in the East.
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Mello is NOT JKIDD
JKIDD changed the franchise. The culture. The feel. The life. (with not a lot around him).
Mello is a very good player who would take care of a lot of scorning.
Do not compare.
by Jron on Aug 27, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude Melo is a top 10 player in the NBA
without a doubt.
He is a NCAA champ
Olympic gold medalist
He would change the face of this franchise yet again.
I will compare.
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Change the face? Uh yeah!
He’d be THE face. Nets would be in the Top 10 jerseys sold every year, and once Brooklyn is in place, probably be in the Top 3.
Melo’s picture would be plastered all over NY and NJ.
He would absolutely become the franchise face. Front and center.
Good so you agree with me.
Tell Jron that then
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
from a Mets fan point of view
I’d think he be much bigger than, say, David Wright or Johan Santana as the face of a NY sports franchise. Carmelo is THE face is he’s a Net.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
My point proven again,
Too many people more interested in Jersey Sales than Basketball.
Mr. Thorn’s disciples are legion now.
You are missing the point
You said “change the face of the franchise”. J Kidd absolutely did that, we won a ton more games, and he was the front and center picture of every advertisement, top Jersey seller, etc.
He made the Nets marketable.
Carmelo would do the same. Tons of wins, and an incredibly marketable team. That means a ton more fans in the stadium, more national exposure for our team in Jersey, a spike in ratings, and best of all, tons of sad faces across the river about what "could have been’.
People who don't think Melo would change the dynamic around the team are kidding themselves
Instantly stations such as TNT, TBS, NBATV, etc. will adjust their schedules to broadcast our games.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
exactly
we’ll get national games, national exposure, and that will help us take over this area
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Knicks vs. Nets nationally televised games this season.
Knicks – 18
Nets – 4
Knicks got 18 nationally-televised games probably because of Stoudemire. If we get Anthony, expect us to instantly jump into double figures with the Knicks.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
thank you JRon
people overrate Melo if they think he’s on Kidd’s level
Even if he didn’t go deep into the postseaon prior to being traded to the Nets, he was an All NBA and the best player in his position. Melo has never been named to the All NBA first team. He’s not a player of that caliber, plain and simple.
This logic is faulty
Lebron James and Carmelo Anthony play the same position.
Lebron will win more first team votes over Anthony because he’s the better player
That does not take ANYTHING away from Anthony. You’re grasping at straws bro.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
and him not making all nba first team doesn’t prove the point you’re trying to make or take anything away from Anthony. Come on now.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you about not giving up Lopez, he is the only “untouchable” player on the team. I like Harris but if we have to ship him out in order to get Melo I would do it.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 27, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I hear you
My point is we should explore every option that doesnt include Harris going to Denver.
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Maybe denver will take a package of..
Josh Boone, Trenton Hassel, and Tony Battie?
Man last season was long…
I think this going to happen
First off were on the list of teams Melo wants to be traded to so you know he would sign an extension here. Not only that but we have the most to offer out of all the teams besides Houston. I think it’s either the Rockets or Nets. The only untradeable player is Brook, though I would like to see the team try to keep Favors. How about this offer:
Nuggets get: Murphy, T-will, 2 First round picks (2011,2012GS) and if you have to Damion James
Nets get: Melo Affalo
I see many people are seeing what I have been saying for the longest
Melo isn’t a leader or on the level of the other players. Lebron Wade and even Durant. Here is a player who didn’t win a playoff series until Billups came to team.
Looks our team could be gutted for him.
Who will be point guard if we move both Williams and Harris?
Who will be our big men?
I rather see him go to clippers before they destroy this team.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
Don’t overpay for Melo. Make an offer to Denver and then put them on the clock. Apply the pressure. Don’t let Denver play us against other teams. That’s when you overpay.
+1
you speak the truth killa
people are fooled y a big name that actually is bigger than the guy’s game and his actual value
Value?
He is an elite player worth the max, that is value for you.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Lolwut.
You give no proof to backup that faulty statement. Plus it’s a bad state of mind trying to save money first than acquiring talent when that talent is frankly a need on this team who won 12 games last year.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I agree with killa about totally gutting the team
But, name another player on the level of Billups that Anthony has played with while in Denver.
Of course Denver advanced to the west finals when they added Chauncey. You need more than one guy.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
a solid frontline
yet, none are on Billups’ level. It takes two to tango
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Carmelos level
Ppl say Carmelo is overrated because he couldn’t get out of the first round without Chauncey, how many first round series did Wade win before or after shaq? One. In a much weaker eastern conference Wade only got out of the first round once without Shaq(and that was against a pre-Chris Paul hornets team), so is it unreasonable that Carmelo in a much tougher Western Conference would have a hard time getting out of the first round too? Carmelo can’t be overrated if u don’t consider Wade to be overrated too. Bottom line is Carmelo is better than 98% of the league so if u can get him without emptying your team, then u go for it.
by TheMann2 on Aug 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
this destroys the faulty ‘logic’ being kicked around here.
the stuff being said about Anthony can easily be applied to other players. It’s getting ridiculous.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Wade is a champion and he’s proved he can be that guy
and again, Shaq averaged 13ppg in the 2006 finals, let’s not pretend he was the dominant force he used to be while in LA. also Melo’¡s production goes down in the postseason, t’s not only that he can’t lead his team it’s his offensive fficieny goes down, that’s not Wade’s case (.480 against .420 from the field in playoffs), not to mention Wade makes his teammates better Melo doesn’t make up for his poor offensive eficcieny in playoffs bc he can’t pass the ball.
Has anybody read this article posted by NetsDaily on top...
Sounds like this Denver Post writer thinks the Nuggets might not get much for Carmelo.
While it’s nice to dream of the Nuggets acquiring a young player such as New Jersey center Brook Lopez or Los Angeles Clippers power forward Blake Griffin in a package deal, squabbling between Anthony and team management only figures to drive down any bargaining power Denver might have in trade negotiations. An amicable separation would likely benefit the Nuggets far more than an ugly divorce.
Exactly
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
What has Wade done since 2006?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
As a player... I don't really know...
But as a G.M. he’s has acquired LeBron James and Chris Bosh. Not to shabby…
Wade
So you don’t think Shaq’s big body and presence helped Wade get open shots? Shaq being double teamed didnt get Wade better shots and one on one opportunities? You don’t think Wade was a scoring machine due to the fact that he spent NO energy on defense since Payton and Posey guarded the other teams best wings? Sure it may not show up on a stat sheet but Wade didn’t do it solo as some ppl like to believe due to ESPN highlights. Carmelo could be a scoring machine too if he had a guy on his team to draw double teams away from him too. Plus Carmelo is actually the one with more offensive moves ESP due to his size and strength.
by TheMann2 on Aug 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What's rather ironic about all of this
If the Nets manage to land Carmelo, it will be almost entirely because of the work Thorn and Kiki did.
Gathering all those draft picks, trading for Harris, drafting Lopez, young players, expiring contracts, etc.
Prokhorov and Brooklyn have made this a desirable place, but without assets, we’re just the Knicks.
Thanks Kiki and Rod (if this all pans out)!
if harris is going to be traded then we WE HAVE TO KEEP Twill and develop TWill into a point guard
I would not be happy with farmar as our starting PG
by kingching on Aug 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Are you guys serious?
Do you really think there is anychance we give up both on top of tons of picks?
yeah because harris has to be included in the trade and denver won’t take just devin harris and a bunch of picks
other players have to be included and im just saying we can’t trade Twill with devin harris
hopefully Denver can wait until december so we can trade include travis outlaw in the deal
these are the players I would not want to see go
TWill
Morrow
Favors
Lopez
D. James
ESPN isn't reporting anything about Melo to Nets or Clippers, so it must be False. (LOL)
Correction, ESPN Insider is now reporting the Woj story, but have nothing of their own to confirm.
Chris Broussard hasn't made up anything yet
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Brown Andres Mike Dollar jarkid and others are seeing it it
there is a saying the worst misery can from an answered prayer.
We can not give up too much.
Now don’t take my post to feel I wouldn’t welcome Melo on this team but at the same time we shouldn’t have to be gutted.
Now if Melo wanted to join in the off season that is well.
Harris
Williams
Melo
Favors
Lopez
come on that is killer
but
Farmer
Morrow or JR Smith
Melo
Murphy
Petro or Lopez
that’s a joke.
how long till he demands a trade from us???
I’m all for getting him but not giving up everything.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 27, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
I think we need to stop assuming
that his wife has him by the you know what’s.
He is the breadwinner, simple and plain.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed Killa
I’m against gutting the roster for him.
If we have to part with either Harris or Williams, James, and picks I’m fine.
Giving up Favors, Lopez, both Harris and Williams at the same time, or whatever else, I am against. When I say “other than Brook/Derrick give them whatever they want”, that’s tongue in cheek.
Whatever they want as long as it works out for us.
Gutting our roster is not in our best interest.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Here are some calculations which could directly impact the ability of Nets to acquire Melo before the season.
I estimate that Nets have 4.2 million in cap space at this moment (not assuming Jarvis Hayes contribution if not renounced).
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_jersey.htm
From HoopsHype, Nets have 54.63 million in salary – 0.96 million for Sean May + 0.180 already guaranteed for May+Zoubec+Uzoh = 53.90 million.
53.90 million salary is about 4.2 million under the 58.1 million salary cap.
Melo is getting 17.15 million x 0.75 = 12.86 million has to go to Denver if only taking back Melo.
But with Nets being 4.2 million under the cap, they should be able to absorb that salary and thus only $8.66 million has to go to Denver.
If you require that Denver take Hump (3.2 million), that leaves $5.46 million. Including TWill+DJames would bring the balance to (5.46-2.21-1.16) = 2.09 million left to resolve.
It would seem to me that giving young talent in TWill + DJames + 2 1st round picks (+ Hump with Nuggets short at PF) and cash should be enough to satisfy Nuggets, as long as Melo was pushing Denver to only work with Nets.
Getting Melo to cooperate is the key.
Thanks for the calculations
If those are all accurate, that sure sounds like a great deal to me. However, I’m not sure Denver goes for that, it depends on what they are getting offered from other teams.
I fail to see what Houston can offer
that can trump that.
Morey isn’t going to gut his team either. They want to win just like we do. And Morey is not a fool.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Denver might not be as convinced yet as we are about the potential of DJames.
Also remember that Denver will start the season without Two of their Bigs – Anderson and KMart, so they shouldn’t frown on taking Hump (expiring), rather than Nets being forced to give up Murphy.
However, Nuggets might prefer to take Murphy over Hump and for Nets to take back JR Smith's 6 million expiring.
That would be a net of 6 million going to Denver instead of the 3.2 million from Hump.
Nets would have to use JR Smith to replace the minutes that TWill would get playing SG.
Most Nets fans would prefer to keep Murphy over Hump and find someone else to fill in the minutes at SG than the disruptive Smith.
Perhaps Portland could be involved, since they are looking to trade Fernandez.
a trade that gets us fernandez and melo?
what do i have to do, cut off my feet? that’s a lot to get.
thanks jerry
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That is incorrect
You can’t function as an over the cap team & under the cap team in the same transaction.
As an over the cap team, we can only bring in 25% more than we send out, meaning:
1.25x = $17.15mil (Melo’s salary)
x= $13.72mil we’d have to send out as an over the cap team.
As an under the cap team, we could exceed what we sent out by the amount of cap space we have.
x + $4.2mil(cap space) = $17.15mil (Melo’s salary)
x = $12.95mil we’d have to send out as an under the cap team.
Great players make their teammates better
Has Melo made his teammates better? Seems like he’s more of an all-about-me-type scorer.
by jsg on Aug 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They never won anything
Then they got there and they haven’t missed the playoffs.
So… that should help answer your question.
Billups won titles before he came to Denver
and Denver hasn’t missed the playoffs since. Maybe you want to give him a max contract too.
i agree
and thats why if we get him kool
but if we dont…i really like the team we have now
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
This I can agree with. Except if we get him, I'd be adding a word ending with -ing in front of cool.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
But we can't get Melo and keep the team we have now
without a Garnet-to-Celtics or Gasol-to-Lakers type of steal.
by jsg on Aug 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
name the last team that received equal value for a superstar player.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Nets, Clippers, Rockets...
Are just 3 of the teams that will be proposing trades to Denver. You can bet there will be more. DENVER will dictate the terms of the trade, it doesn’t make a difference where they trade Melo, it’s up to him to get the extension he wants. There’s gonna be a bidding war… This isn’t gonna be like the VC/KG/Gasol variety. This is gonna be more like the Devin/JKidd trade, but with more valuable additional pieces than Diop and Mo Ager. And I’d bet whoever ends up with Melo will have given up way more than they wanted to in the first place. I just don’t want that to be us.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I don't like what;'s happening in the NBA now...
So on principal alone I don’t really want to pursue Carmelo with his band of merry cohorts orchestrating this whole affair. The same people that Lebron and Co. followed. Lets pass on Carmelo and keep our team in place. We have Outlaw and James, I can live with that. His name from now on will be Carmel-no.
by M I K E on Aug 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ah
but the key is, Melo has to agree to extend with the team that he gets traded too
This is not a case of “Melo can be sent anywhere”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you rec everything you agree with?
I dont think that is what recs are for. I thought you rec a post if its very thorough and well thought out, or if its educational in some way or form, or if its piss your pants funny. Thats what I thought anyways.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
they haven't missed the playoffs since 2003
He isn’t exactly standing there on the court being a liability
This is getting ridiculous. All summer “waaaah!!! we need a top 10 talent stud to compete!!!! waaah!!!” now all of a sudden, everyone is trying to pull every excuse out of their rear end as to why this guy is some kind of bum. A bum, that is 29th on the active scoring list at the age of 26. the only one younger and ahead of him on that list has the last name “James”.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
after our off-season moves
i felt the nets slogan should have read “one star away”. this could be the dood
and not just for ‘star power’ or ‘face of franchise’. he’s a superstar player, plain and simple.
some folks around here are trying make this guy marbury…..wow
imagine something extremely witty here
I went over to Denver Stiffs.
A couple of NetsDaily faithful went over there, and couple Nuggets fans shockingly seem to believe that we are the same 12 win team from last season, and a couple also said they’d laugh in our faces at any deal that does not include Brook. One of them said they wont consider a deal unless its Brook AND Favors.
They sound like realistic people.
Consequences will never be the same.
Denver fans
would also tell you Melo is a top 5 player in the league
by Mike LaMonica on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
they're idiots
that’s why they are about to be in the crapper for the next 10 years.
We should inform them that they have no leverage, no one is giving them equal value for Melo, and they are up poop’s creek.
In fact, some brave soul can just copy and paste what I’ve said, if they want to play “TROLL 4 a DAY”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Im kinda surprised that
none of their troll-like fans have yet to pay a visit, especially considering a few Nets fans came over there.
And for the record, I’m going to use “TROLL 4 A DAY” to describe a troll.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
let them come
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They sound like realistic people.
They sound like typical fans. Nothing wrong with that.
Doesn’t mean they won’t be disappointed.
Even without Carmelo
I think they are a very good team. They are lucky they probably wont be LeBron’d and end up with crapola in return.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
oh no
they will be rebuilding. They are done without Melo. Lets see how far Billups can carry them without Carmelo on the wing
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Who said rebuilding is a bad thing?
Seems like it is working out for us so far.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
it's not a bad thing
they will just have to accept the fact that they will not get back equal value.
We can give them some nice rebuilding tools though
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
wow,
The article actually said that it would be nice to see Denver get Brook Lopez in a package deal!!!! lol! ain’t happening!!!!!
Ever heard of the phrase "robbing Peter to pay Paul"?
Trading Brook would be doing exactly that. What the heck would be the point?
Which is why it simply isn’t happening.
In all fairness the writer said that trading for Lopez would be nice...
but probably not likely to happen….In fact if you read the article he says that Denver might not get much in return since the situation has gotten nasty in Denver.
We play in the NY market
They play in Denver FA are not going to be lining up to go there they can only buil through the draft
To win with a player like Melo
you would need a dominate defensive center like Howard which we don’t have and a great defensive PF which we might get if we’re lucky. If you want to win 50 games he’s the man but you’ll never win a title with him leading the team.
ill take 50 games as a start…we’re not winning a title even with Melo this year and probably not next either so if we can get him and sign a long deal contract…Avery and Proky will find the missing pieces,,,I know this
by Mike LaMonica on Aug 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
What makes you so sure ofthat?
we might have 2 dominant bigs on our hands. Match that up with Melo, i Say we can compete with anyone in the future
Wouldn't it be the height of irony if Favors is sent to Denver...
All that bickering over Cousins and Favors… for nothing.
Well, crap.
I didnt think of that.
Still hoping he is not involved.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's a good thing....
that Favors didn’t shine in the summer league. Maybe Denver don’t want him now… LOL The Nets would be crazy to hand over Favors in a deal for Carmelo.
They'd be crazy? As in happy?
Maybe. Who knows. Maybe the whole “Future Dwight Howard” business was hype.
CONSPIRACY!!!
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
um, why would they be crazy? Favors hasn’t played a game of regular season NBA ball yet. He might be great or he might be a bust, who knows. Carmelo has been a dominant star in the league for years and has proved himself. if the Nets dealt Lopez they would be crazy, that would only make the acquisition of Melo a marginal gain, but Favors can go.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to keep Favors...
Unless Nets management have doubts about his potential we need the chance of having a superstar type talent of our own regardless if we get Melo.
over 600 posts
wow thats insane. Of coure i want melo, but you have to also think about it…he’s a free agent next year. Does he really want to play for the nets or the knicks?? if he gets traded to NJ will he sign an extension or demand a trade like Jason Kidd?? if so then its not worth it at all to give up on our talent and our picks that could turn out to be Barnes, or P. Jones, and B knight. I would only do this: 3 mill in cash, 1 first rounder, 1 second rounder, and thats it.
yeah mike there WAS some
repetition on this thread
I'll post my offer and wait to get slammed
Murphy, Favors, Ross and whatever draft picks needed (lets say a 1st and 2nd rounder)
for
Melo
Murphy HAS to be bought out by denver (and wink-wink) returns to Nets after buy-out.
Thus Favors and picks for Melo.
I wish Denver would take that trade…if we could hold onto Lopez, Harris, and Twill plus get Melo I would be happy as hell.
"ESPN greenlights 'The Decision' for 22 more episodes."
by DrazenPetrovic on Aug 27, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
salaries equal up
we “keep” murphy too (provided he wouldn’t screw us)
still have a lot of trade assets too
Can't trade Favors... Part II
If Favors becomes the star people think he will, by the time Melo is going downhill Favors will be 26 or so…
I understand
We can’t be certain and I hate to trade Favors but we’d be solid for next season.
We might still have assets to go for CP3 (when price comes down and he shows he’s healthy) ie harris, James, hump, draft picks
To compete with Miami we will need another "star" player...
Favors can be that “star” in a couple of years. If we acquire Carmelo we still need another impact player. No way the Nets trade Favors, unless they know something we don’t…
would a healthy cp3 suffice?
offer this package midseason (after we’ve seen a healthy cp3)
harris, outlaw, humphries, james , petro and picks and cash
for
cp3 and okafor
salaries are just about right
lopez
murphy
melo
t-will
cp3
okafor, morrow, farmar, zoubek, uzoh, may
if we give them Favors...
…why would we give them any picks?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I would love to start off with no picks either
my gut feeling is that to tear down their franchise, denver will want a combo of picks and players tho. I think the picks might be needed for them to agree to buyout murphy so we can re-sign him
Picks are a given
Every superstar trade is exactly the same. Young players, cap relief, and picks. They’re trying to rebuild, and those are the elements you need to do that.
what do u think muwu?
of the 2 deals i proposed. I respect ure educated opinion
Really, I just want the first trade, but MIKE challenged me that we need 2 stars to build a championship
Well let's think about it logically
We’re gonna be adding yet another wing player right after we jettisoned one because we had a logjam. I think it’s likely that we would trade away a wing player.
I don’t think the Nuggets would be interested in Harris since he still has 2 more years left after this year. The Nuggets have the chance to have all of their big contracts disappear after this year. Kenyon Martin’s big salary is expiring, Melo’s will be gone, Chauncey has a 3.7 million buyout, Nene can opt out. They wouldn’t want Outlaw for that reason as well.
I’m not really thinking far ahead enough for a CP3 trade, plus I don’t know if it’s economically feasible. You have to factor in a Brook Lopez extension in 2 years, plus a new CBA next year.
I don’t see us giving up Favors
I think a potential Melo trade might look like… some variation of TWill+Murphy+picks. Maybe vary it a little if they want us to take on Harrington’s 5 year contract or JR Smith. Would probably be a mid-season trade so that the trade restrictions of players are gone.
If we can get Melo without giving up our core...
Then our future draft picks won’t be so valuable. And if they are we are in big trouble!
Favors might end up being that second star...
I don’t want to trade him. Where do you think all these superstars we been chasing come from? Answer = The draft…
I hear u
just getting a little trade happy and over-excited
I actually like the group we’ve put together and want to see what they can do. But let me ask u this MIKE. After the draft lottery occured and we fell in to the 3 hole, at that time, would u do the #3 pick (and some future considerations) for Melo?
Maybe... But so much has happened since then...
With Miami grabbing the top three stars and rumors of CP3 going to Orlando or the Knicks, the playing field has changed in the East. You now need more talent to compete. If we can get Melo and keep Favors we have our cake and eat it too. We thought we were going to get a superstar in free agency and maybe Melo would of attracted one, but Denver was hoping to hang on to Melo then. Somehow we got to get better talent without giving up our top talent. It can be done… I think the Nets will find away to get it done.
I agree with Dolla
If you give the #3 pick why should you give more draft picks.
Favors = Young player AND draft pick!!!!!!!
Since favors was picked #3 then FAVORS = 2 Nets future draft picks. Why? Because with the addition of Melo, those picks most likely will no be LOTTERY PICKS.
hahaha jerry and i went over there
and we posted our thoughts, we’re pretty much on the same page. I was brutally honest with them w/o insulting them or trolling, so we’ll see how long it stays civil over there.
Some idiot Spurs fan already opened his mouth talking trash.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
LOL
I was behaving, I swear. “SpursGerbil” started crap with me so I told him to crawl back inside of his toilet paper roll, other than that, I was civil.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
"SpursGerbil"???
You sure you were on the right site. Starting trouble with San Antonio fans. Way to go Mr.Bill.
hahahah
the clown lurks over here, said I troll several sites on here(which is a lie, the only site i “trolled” was the Knicks blog), and copy and pasted my above post calling anyone who thinks we’re trading Favors and Lopez an idiot.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn you and Jerry
Kind of strong armed the site I guess there still looking at T-will highlights, reading your guys links smh they let an outsider like you have the last post hahaha
"I was brutally honest with them w/o insulting them"
I don’t even want to see what that entailed…. LOL
ROFL
hahaha the dude posted my comments in this thread that referred to anyone over there wanting Lopez and Favors as an idiot.
I was unapologetic.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm BACK from Denver Stiffs.
I don’t know if they can handle the truth over at Denver Stiffs?
http://www.denverstiffs.com/2010/8/27/1653512/melod-out#comments
Just click on Home and sign in.
MrDB, Andres and I, increased their posts from 19 to 100 after getting some feedback.
Andres was arguing Against getting Melo, which really got them confused.
hahahah i just came out of a staff meeting
time to head off. I guess we have some new foes.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hahah
They are heated, dudes started calling us foolish and all other kinds of veiled insults.
I just gave them the harsh truth, and wished them good luck.
They’re really full of themselves. They think that they have leverage here…they really think that their owner would be stupid enough to not trade Melo out of spite. If so, then the Nuggets’ young owner is as stupid as some of their fans.
These guys are like “Uhh Melo is a top 5 player” and talking like they’ll get a king’s random.
There will be tears shed in Denver.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"Kind of strong armed the site"
Our team is owned by the Russian Mob, allegedly, so strong arm tactics will be the norm from now on.
Get down or lay down.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I attempted to post there earlier
And was attacked by 2 immature, uninformed posters. That board is weak.
Should of sent kv and Andres over there...
They would of been so busy fighting each other… the Denver Stiffs would of been in shock…
hahhaha YEAH
I LOL’d hard when Andres started posting. Andres is the man for doing that
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahaha
it’s not the first time I post there defending they can keep Melo for all I care when they start saying we should give them Favors and TWill hahahahaha
hahahahh
that was so awesome. Brilliant tactic, me and Jerry came at em straight, Andres hit them with the other opinion and totally messed up their heads. They started getting real nasty too. Reality hurts.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice find Atronic...
For those who want to cut bait on Favors…
“The Nets may make the most sense. They are soon to be New York, they have young players like Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow, the big contract of Troy Murphy could be part of the deal. What the Nets would want is to keep Brook Lopez and rookie Derrick Favors to pair with Anthony, in what could be a very good combo”…
common sense
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice article Atronic. It needs to be added to the list at top.
Still, I don’t completely agree with his conclusion that Melo should stay in Denver to contend for a title.
In another year or two he would have just as much chance with Nets and Clippers. However, as he states, would Melo and WWW want to have anything to do with Donald Sterling?
Yeah
I to wonder how much Carmelo really cares about winning like D-wade or Lebron does, some people love basketball and some looooooovve basketball, with Denver K-mart is basically finished Billups is getting old Nene got injured this summer I believe. Clippers franchise just seems stagnant just there to be there not really doing everything necessary to win, going through the motions but eventually there going to get someone it might start with Melo. If Denver wants Favors or Lopez.
No
People who aren’t familiar with the Nets always seem to think we’re going to trade Brook Lopez and Devin Harris and Derrick Favors for a superstar. We have the most to give, but that’s because our team is REALLY GOOD. Let’s not tear it down so we can acquire a star who wants to play for the Knicks.
"A little boy went out to play. When he opened his door, he saw the world. As he passed through the doorway, he caused a reflection. Evil was born. Evil was born, and followed the boy."
At the end of the day, I don't see how this is a bad move if we're able to keep Brook, Devin and Favors (which is very likely)
I mean, who else that’s better are we gonna get? Melo might not be in the same class as LeBron or Kobe or Wade, but you tell me who we’re gonna get that’s in that class. We have a real opportunity to make something happen here, and if you think our team is good now, how will it be very much worse off if we don’t give up the previously mentioned players?
Agree... We have to keep Favors and of course Brook. Harris???
Like to keep Devin but might have to pull the trigger if that is what it would take. But I would love to keep him.
I highly doubt they would want Harris
They can rebuild immediately this summer, why take on a guy with 2 more seasons on the books?
even better for us
Lopez, Favors, Anthony, Harris
That’s a solid core.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
do we need to get someone like that?
Do you need a Carmelo Anthony in order to fight for a championship? Imo, the answer is a big NO, so I’d rather take myc chances on my kids, and I disagree with you when you say it’s very likely we could get Melo and keep those 3 you mention.
Why isn't it likely?
I don’t think Denver wants a guy with 2 more years at 8-9 mil per on their roster after this year when that could be cap space for them. I don’t think we’d be the first team to trade away a number 3 pick in a superstar deal. And I don’t think they would trade Brook in any scenario of a Melo trade.
And if we don’t need him (highly doubt our boys are gonna be taking down LeBron, Wade, and Bosh on their own) why do we get worse off by upgrading our talent?
Yes you do
Carmelo is a Top10 player.. can be argued in a Top 5.. Took the nuggets to the WCF, and if it wasnt for 2 bad inbound passes, they could have very well been in the 2008 finals.. He’s 26 and can score at WILL.. His defense has been improving and will only get better.. especially with a coach like Avery.. you need a superstar like him to get tot he next level.. All this talk about him not being an Elite Superstar is BS.. He’s every bit of a star as anybody else in the league.. MAKE THE TRADE
You are incredible, Andres
unwilling to trade TWill for Carmelo Anthony. SMH.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
I’ve already explained why I don’t want us to trade for Carmelo and used lenghty arguments to back up my opinion, stop trying to reduce it to Williams. i find it more incredible that some would be ok with farmar starting and a crappy backcourt like the one we’0d be left with if we traded both devin and terrence in the same package
what the hell
Are the Nuggets gonna do with two point guards? Harris will not be included in this deal unless its multi-team
LOL... Knicks fans should love J.R...
It seems J.R. and Spreewell have the same hobby… Choking people…
yeah
now that i think about it, I guess Harris stays.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris is a big upgrade over Billups
I love Billups, he was a solid distributor. But he’s nowhere near where Harris is in his career.
Billy King is probably reading NetsDaily at this moment...and thinking...
“So do I listen to eLonepb and kv… or do I go with Andres and Jerry25”
I told the Denver fans that we are filling in for Billy King until he gets back from vacation.
Hopefully Marks is holding the Fort in the meantime, and reading our posts.
Marks would know if there is someone available to create some pseudo trade value, much like KVH.
I love that formal trade proposal you gave them...ROFL
Then Mr.Bills tells them he “comes in peace” and then pulls their chain for next 10 posts…
Are you allowed to post over their?
I’m now debating with a knowledgable Clippers fan, but I have to take a break and get some work done.
Wish you could take over for me.
Well I gotta go guys...
Is the “panty raid” still on for tonight? Have a nice weekend guys and stay out of trouble.
P.S. Keep a close eye on Mr.DollarBills…
He better me listening to me
If he wants to have a job with Prokhorov.
If he wants a job with Andres and Jerry25, he’s more than willing to pursue that as well.
LETS DO THISSSSSSSSS
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 27, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They now have a Clippers Troll, offering Kamen+Aminu+Wolves 2012 pick.
The GMs should all be following the fan posts. A deal could get done by the fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBodecELR3g&feature=fvsr
Here is a vid of Melo abusing Twill in a game. The nets were so bad last season!
That should be burned
I don’t ever want to se that lineup ever again Rafel Alston smh.
lol @ them saying “Carmelo right over Trenton Hassel, yeah you don’t have to worry about Trenton Hassel anymore”
that video hurt my soul
T-Will is not a small forward. This video should make it clear. Anthony looks like a giant compared to Terrence.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 28, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I love you all BUT
If you think we’re making a trade for Melo that doesn’t include Harris, Lopez, or Favors – you are crazy.
We are up against many other teams in the league who would be willing to give up a lot to get a player of Melo’s caliber.
I still say – Prokhorov wants his All-Star. He’ll get him no matter what it takes. Even if that means that player you didn’t want traded got traded. No names, just saying everybody might be on the table here.
That sounds about right
Proky’s liable to tell King that the decision is King’s to make, and then remind him that the Nets MUST make the playoffs in the coming season.
If we trade one of those guys(along with other pieces to match salaries),
we would barely improve from what we have now.
SO... Does Anyone Know If We Can Resign Jarvis Hayes And
Use Jarvis Hayes to make salaries match?
Instead of using Harris or Murphy, could we do the following deal?
Jarvis Hayes (resigned)
Kris Humphries
T.Williams
D.James
Picks
for
Melo
I know we have some cap space to spare, and I know we can resign Hayes, but how much can we resign him for, and would it be enough to make salaries match in the trade I listed above?
bad idea
you have to remember that the Nets are the greatest option for the Nuggets. They need to take what we give them while they can.
Why is that?
They’ll get good offers from other teams. It’s not like we’re the only interested team.
He can be resigned for
all our remaining cap space, about $4mil. Then, we’d have to match salaries within 25% like any over the cap team.
I think it would be a "wash" to re-sign Jarvis and trade him vs. renouncing his rights and keep the current 4.2 million under the cap to absorb that salary.
Marks would have to come up with something from the past.
It actually wouldn’t, because you can bring back 125% of what you send out. So if Hayes were resigned for $4mil & included in a deal, then we can bring back $5mil.
Makes sense, but if Nets still own the rights to Hayes, then why are they limited in what they offer him?
Also, I have a site that may indicated that suggest that Nets have rights to Boone..
Also, if you want to be exact, I calculate that Nets have 4.2 cap / 0.75 gives 5.6 million towards Melo.
That would be very significant.
Here's a trade
Murphy
James
Hump
Ross
Picks
for
Melo
They buyout Murphy
Works out salary wise and we don’t really give up too much
yeah whatever u do
no to harris, favors, and brook
like i said the nets can give them all the picks in the next 3 years and Twill
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