Two Views of Troy Murphy: Both Good
by Net Income on Aug 24, 2010 8:47 PM EDT
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PrintA sports writer and a stats geek take their measure of Troy Murphy this week. Working from different perspectives, they both come away with the same conclusions: Murphy's underrated, well, except for his defense; he'll be missed by Indiana and the 6'11" power forward is a great fit for his hometown Nets.
Kelly Dwyer has been ranking players by position all week at Yahoo's Ball Don't Lie blog and in his listing of power forwards, Murphy ranks 13th (up from 26th last season). He notes, "Murphy's shooting gifts and rebounding acumen (10.2 caroms a game last year in just 32 minutes per contest) will act as a perfect fit in New Jersey this season". Dwyer does have some fun with Murphy's defense: The ranking features pictures of six PF's shooting over, dunking or generally taking advantage of our guy.
Fleshing out that feeling with stats, Ian Levy of Wages of Wins Journal reports Murphy was "among the most productive front court players in the league last season," producing 13.7 of the Pacers' 32 wins. Levy notes that his 28.1% defensive rebounding rate over the past three seasons is surpassed by only Carlos Boozer, Dwight Howard, Joel Przybilla and Marcus Camby.
- Ranking the power forwards, 20 through 11 - Kelly Dwyer - Ball Don't Lie
- Once Again the Pacers are Hoping Players Get Better - Ian Levy - Wages of Wins
- Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer Pokes Fun At Former Pacer Troy Murphy, Before Giving Him His Due - Ian Levy - Indy Cornrows
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And it's not a dig at his defense
as the summary above suggests. Dwyer has been doing that in every ranking. He used Lebron in the SFs ranking. He’s not a slouch defensively.
I mean
Lebron is no slouch defensively. Murphy has a lot of work to do.
He also
Uses OJ Mayo in all the SG photos and Ty Lawson in all the PG ones. Is it too much to hope for Brook in all the C ones?
by calling all toasters on Aug 25, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Note the following
that in Dwyer’s rankings, Murphy is higher than three of the four PF’s the Nets pursued in free agency: Luis Scola, Udonis Haslem and Tyrus Thomas.
Not saying I agree with the rankings (or the very idea of them) but it’s interesting.
he also came cheaper since he'll be off the books next season
and we can possibly resign to a smaller scale deal and let him play out his career with us
I’m a big fan of homegrown products, and especially a guy like Murphy who I’ve seen outclass our PF’s the last few seasons.
Great move by King. I have a feeling that I’ll be saying this a lot.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a big fan of homegrown product
Yeah, let’s build an “all from NJ team”! Great idea. I mean if we can’t build a championship team, why not shoot for something, eh? If only Kobe was from LA, can you imagine! Or just think if Jordan was from Chicago! Can you see it?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
What is wrong with you?
What are you talking about?
Seriously, did you hit your head this morning? How do you misconstrue my support for homegrown Jersey players with the garbage that you wrote above?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i know its just one man's idea of rankings but..
wouldn’t this mean the nets would have some respectable record expectation based on the individual ranking of their projected starting five?
Exactly. If Murphy is responsible for 13.7 of Indiana's 32 wins, imagine that being carried over to the Nets this year!
Nets are a playoff team if healthy, and this story just adds to the proof.
And NBATV has been carrying all week, the Troy Murphy remarks about being so happy to be able to play at home for the NJ Nets.
it's funny how some folks were trying to discredit Murphy because he's never been in the playoffs
that is horrible logic. HORRIBLE.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Hooray for mediocrity!!!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 24, 2010 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The average of the 4 scores is 15...
15th out of 30 teams is perfectly mediocre. It IS quite a big step considering last season. So…. Hooray Mediocrity! Hooray Beer!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 25, 2010 7:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But Nets also have a deep bench and their is no telling where TWill will end up.
Besides, 15/30 is good enough for the playoffs – maybe a 7 seed to play Orlando.
Most people should be happy with that.
I expect Brook to be higher than 15th
on the centers list. That will push the Nets starting 5 above mediocrity.
what???
you dont think he is top 30 at he position??
agreed
I pencil him at the two but he needs to establish his true spot on the floor, but IMO as I have said all summer, you plug and play Williams, and toss the rigid definitions of basketball positions out of the window.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
T-will being off the list is no problem
Was a rookie last year sill has to prove himself, things will be more clear after this year for a lot of players.
Twill had a great 2 months..
He can make the list next year :D
by atec on Aug 25, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t be worried about Troy’s production falling off jsut because he turned 30. He’s coming of two his best season as a pro. He did better only in 2004-05.
30...
…does not mean he is 75.
When Troy hits 32, then you start worrying. By then, if he’s still with us, Favors will have become the starter and Troy will be his capable mentor and backup.
In a perfect scenario, of course.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Troy Murphy might be over 30 but...
He does not rely on speed or hops like a lot of the athletic freaks who once they get older can’t perform like they did earlier in their careers. I remember players like Bill Cartwright who played into their late thirties because their game was not based heavily on athletic ability.
In other words Murphy with his shooting touch and hustle might play well into his thirties effectively.
exactly
Guys that rely on jumping out of the building usually turn to crap once they hit the age where your body won’t do the things that you wanted it to do when you were younger.
It’s always nice to observe how some of the great players make up for the loss of their youth. Jordan and Bryant are good examples of guys who have or will remain dominant in their 30s despite not being able to jump anymore.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like Favors
if he doesn’t find a go to move or Jump Shot or Bulk Up like Howard.
Also,
Look at how long Karl Malone has been because he developed a mid range. Look at Dirk. Guys like Troy you do not have to worry about losing a bit of their agility.
exactly
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He does not rely on speed or hops like a lot of the athletic freaks who once they get older can’t perform like they did earlier in their careers
TOTALLY. The guy does not rely on his speed or his hops, and is able to be achieve far below average defense without those. Fantastic! Just imagine what kind of defense he can achieve when it hops less and moves slower!
But who needs defense in the NBA? Playoffs?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
God I love KV. You could be telling a story about how you closed on a 10 the night before and he’d probably say the girl was giving a standing ovation, if you will.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
God I love KV
Then get a room, and take your bromance elsewhere.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You said it dude. Be proud of who you are.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
you totally missed the point
but this is the norm for you.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy from "Ball Don't Lie" ranked Outlaw #17 SF...
That’s not bad considering Outlaw broke his foot last year and has been coming off the bench a good part of his career. He says he likes Outlaw and that AJ should play him big minutes. Also marvels that Outlaw is only 25 years old.
yeah
After watching Bobby Simmons and Jarvis Hayes attempt to play SF for two years i’d be shocked if this kid is any worse.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Murphy could become the perfect rotation guy backing up both Lopez and Favors, I imagine he could do that for at least 3 more years after this one
by ispartan on Aug 25, 2010 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And they should be able to re-sign Murphy (assuming Melo isn't available) for a lot less than the figure mentioned for getting Scola.
Maybe 20 million over 3 years with some kind of partially guaranteed option for the 4th year.
Billy King made it clear that they intend to sit down and discuss extension at end of season.
and imagine if Petro and May play well...
If Murphy plays well I’m sure the Nets will try to retain his services. I’m just hoping Murphy doesn’t play too well.
which is a solid, prudent move
Troy has to be one of the better trades we’ve made in this century, aside from Kidd and Vince.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Dumb Question
What happens September 24th?
One month from now... Hard to believe...
Wow…This off season seemed longer then the regular season did…
by M I K E on Aug 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it depends
can you anchor the paint defensively with shot blocking, shot altering, and solid physical play in the post?
I was a good defender back in my day but 5’10 shooting guard slashers don’t really cut it once you get past your junior year in high school
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok well to answer all of your questions no
but i can hand out a mean towel and my waterboy skills are matched by none. The chem i would bring to this team will take us to another level.
For you kind words
I will not to forget to give you a autographed reversable jersey. My name on the home Yi on the away
You know what MIKE
You havent been giving me much of a chance since yesterday to prove myself. How many guys you know can post up Nate the Great (by his name alone you know its not many)… I CAN
Let me try some of those chemicals you're going to bring to the team...
If there any good your hired..
All jokes aside
How many teams will beable to say they have a guy like Murphy coming off the bench in 2 to 3 years. If T-will is really the 6th man like people say he is can you imagine our second unit?
I made good use of the Dwyer estimate for Troy's contribution to Indiana victories in my estimate of Nets victories this year.
I make a case for 47 victories, but even a base figure of 37 cannot be denied from my Rear-End driven logic:
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/8/25/1649149/why-the-nets-should-be-considered
Anyone predicting less than 37 victories, without major injuries, has either been corrupted by the ESPN-Superstar-driven media or is an ultrapessimist.
USA vs. Greece on ESPN, 12-2PM today (Wednesday)
crap I'm missing this. Greece shoots lights out....
….I want to see if US can handle that type of long range bombing and their zone.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
USA killed Greece 87-59
And so said the old man!
LOL
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
2 of Greece's best big men were sitting out for the game.
I’m not sure if Both were casualties of Nenad Krstic or if both will be available to play by the time the 2nd round begins.
Troy Murphy .....
is like a David Lee with a Higher B-Ball IQ and a better 3-pt shot…….
Troy
is a class act on and off the court. He was never truly appreciated by Indy, yet he never complained, and was always ready to play. We will miss him in pacer nation.
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