ESPN: Nets No Better than 25th
by Net Income on Aug 24, 2010 7:30 AM EDT
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PrintIn the first installment of its "Summer Buzz", ESPN Insider predicts the Nets will wind up the season as the NBA's 25th best team, just ahead of the Wizards, Pacers, Raptors, Pistons and the lowly Timberwolves.
There's little new in the analysis by Ric Bucher and John Hollinger. Avery Johnson "will whip the talented but young Nets into shape". Free agency "was a failure, pure and simple." Derrick Favors has "has a world of potential". Travis Outlaw is a good addition but "overpaid". They're "stuck in sort of a limbo" in Newark for two years and if delays in Brooklyn "certainly cost the Nets a legitimate shot" at LeBron James. Overall, the franchise is "still largely regarded as backward". Last year, the 25th best team, the 76ers, won 27 games.
- Timberwolves, Pistons, Raptors, Pacers, Wizards, Nets, projections and previews - Ric Bucher & John Hollinger
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I really think the "Outlaw is overpaid" talks is already too old for us nets fans..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 24, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
two points
1) Outlaw essentially got the MLE. Nets don’t have the MLE because they are under the cap, but a five year MLE contract works out to a bit more than $34 million. Based on what he did the the two years before he broke his foot, he would have gotten the MLE from someone. Drew Gooden did, Amir Johnson did.
2) No one can say he is over or underpaid right now. It’s someone’s opinion.
If Outlaw plays well for us the next 5 years...
The contract will be a bargain…How much money were we paying Simmons and Battie last year for doing nothing?
The Outlaw overpaid talk is NONSENSE.
Avery Johnson felt that Outlaw was the 3rd best FA SF after LeBron and RGay.
When you target a specific player, you Have to pay a little more (more years) to sign that player.
Avery knows much more than we do about the pre-injury Outlaw and how well he would work within his system.
If Avery is correct, then getting those extra 2 years for only a flat 7 million per year, may end up being cheap.
And Outlaw could be an easy contract to move – should Nets pick up someone like Melo or if DJames becomes a star.
Once the season begins all this overpaid talk by people like Broussard should end.
What I don't get is...
..how does what Outlaw is paid make us better or worse record-wise? It just Nets-hate if you ask me.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 24, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
the Outlaw is overpaid stuff...
…is absolutely stupid.
Complaining just to complain.
He’s not crippling our cap, so meh to all of the crying going on around here about Outlaw.
If Outlaw comes in and is a solid contributor, a lot of folks will be eating crow.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Compare his career per 36 production
To Luol Deng, its very close, and at one point Deng will make twice as much as Outlaw.
by J-Nasty on Aug 25, 2010 7:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So that means they put Cleveland ahead of us? They are gonna be terrible. Also, I don’t think we’re worse than NY, Charlote or Philly. Not saying we’ll necessarily finish ahead of all those teams, but we certainly can compete against them for one of the last two playoffs spots, IMO.
The Raptors are gonna be god awful. I’ll be surprised if they win 20 games. Pistons will be better than them, no doubt in my mind.
I hope Broussard is right about Wiz being behind Nets.
However, his opinion is pretty worthless.
7th seed!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Aug 24, 2010 8:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
They are right
We are about 25th. What do we have? We have no go-to scorer at all… just some guys we hope get better. That’s great for the rebuilding process, but we are not a playoff team in my eyes.
We’ve got some great pieces, but we are a long way away from being competitive.
could have a go to scorer
could be Harris, who did have games of 47, 41, 39, 38 and 38 the year before last. could be Lopez, who did have games of 37, 32 and 31 last year.
The problem with Harris is...
…we don’t want him to kill himself having to be a go to guy. If he’s pressed to carry us offensively, he can get hurt.
Hopefully, Brook becomes our reliable guy.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez
19 per while being dohble and triple teamed for the entire season. Lopez.
by Paul G B on Aug 24, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Double and triple teamed with nobody to pass to.
This year he’ll have people that can sink a shot from the outside, as well as Murphy and Favors on the inside. This year’s team is gonna keep defenses spread out- they won’t be able to double up on Harris and Lopez and effectively shut down our offense.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 24, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
19 per while being double teamed and triple teamed, in his 2nd year, with no one to pass too
yet, you have folks on here who act like this kid is “soft” or absolute garbage.
This post by Paul G B should be quoted verbatim the next time someone with a horrible opinion wants to sit down on their computer and type out a bunch of moronic garbage about Brook Lopez.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lopez is garbage...
…then let’s get more garbage, a lot more.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 24, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Every Single Contract Player on the Nets is Better than the Team they had Last Season.
Someone should do the comparison.
Harris for example will be MUCH better than last year.
Farmer and Dooling would be a close comparison, but Dooling was playing injured.
Hump may not contribute as much as he did last year, but at least he will be available for the full year for 10-11, so I give the advantage to this season.
Comparing the PF position from 09-10 to this season is a JOKE. Murphy, Favors, Hump, May vs. Yi + trash!
TWill will be much better.
SF is much better.
Petro > Boone for Center position.
The Bench is much better than last season with TWill, Favors, Farmar and DJames.
I don’t think there ever has been a team that is better (13 deep) for every player over the previous season.
That alone is a strong enough case for Nets to make the playoffs
Nets have about 8 players capable of scoring 15 if given enough minutes and if Avery wanted the scoring.
Offense won’t be a problem.
What Nets need is some time to work together and to be healthy (especially Harris and Lopez).
The SG position is the biggest uncertainty. If Morrow works well with Harris, and TWill can lead the 2nd unit, Nets will be a winning team.
imo
interior defense is the biggest concern
Can Avery come up with a type of team defense that can disguise the shortcomings downlow defensively?
If our team defense is tight, we are going to give a lot of teams a rude surprise if they want to come in here and think that this is the same 12-70 Nets.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What a buzz kill
At least we’ll get Kyrie Irving in the draft to eventually replace Devin Harris.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
And what would anyone expect? Who would pick them higher? Why? Based on their terrific free agency pick ups? Based on a PF who is not ready for the NBA and has high aspirations of being a spark off the bench? Based on the often injured Dharris? Based on our go to guy, travis outlaw. This year will not be a 12 win season. We will be competitive, but under talented, and as good as Brook is, they will expose him defensively and they will expose his inexperience. 30 wins is about right.
The Nets picked up some nice players this summer...
Go to guy? Travis Outlaw was known as “Mr. 4th Quarter” when playing with decent Portland teams.
Favors never said he was looking to be only a “spark off the bench”. He was asked what he thought his role might be to start the season. He answered with a humble, simple, statement that some people are making it out to be a sign of low aspirations, weakness and surrender in Favors character.
Devin Harris should be much better then last year and Brook now has more help through out the line up.
If only 1/2 of our newly acquired players pan out we should be able to contend for a playoff spot.
Murphy and Outlaw at PF and SF are veterans who know how to play. Look at who we had playing PF and SF last year. All we need is 2 out of the following players to emerge and we should have a decent rotation. We should be able to find those 2 players from a group that will consist of, T-Will, Morrow, Favors, James, Farmar, Petro etc. I think at least 2 of those players from that group will step up.
You can wait for your superstar to join us… Meanwhile I will go into battle with these guys.
Rose colored glasses
We do NOT have that one guy who puts us over the top. All we have is solid pieces.
Making the playoffs with 41 wins is NOT putting us "over the top". It is a Humble goal.
People forget that Chicago Stunk at times last year (lost to Nets 2 x) but still managed to finish strong and make the playoffs.
It was considered a bad year for Chicago, yet after a competitive 1st round showing, most people now have forgotten how bad Chicago was at times.
Had Chicago missed the playoffs, perhaps Boozer doesn’t sign with them and the media declares the Bulls as a total failure.
Making the Playoffs is a MANDATE from Proky and The Little General approves of those orders from the Commander In Chief.
I agree with you to a point
We have some solid pieces, but we are missing that one guy, preferably at SF. Which is why the stuff about not wanting Carmelo is dumb, IMO, as long as we don’t lose our frontcourt in the process.
And yeah, the stuff trying to toss Favors under the bus for giving a humble, realistic answer is stupid. Gotta call it like it is in this place.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can't we just green light Outlaw or Morrow and Brook
Tell 2 guys that they need to put up 25 shots a night every night and i bet you we have 2 allstars. Melo shoots it at 45% for his career and shoots alot. You give alot of guys the greenlight and they wll produce as well. We don’t need to trade for someone we just need to allow the opportunity to some of these guys. I nominate Outlaw, Morrow and Brook. When they re in the game they need to score. Everyone else needs to play off of them. Devin included.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Screw ESPN... Oh no, their brain trusts said we'll be bad.
It is ESPN…. pure proof of why monopolies are bad.
We are a high 30s win team and we’ll be better than at least a handful of teams they picked to go ahead. And by then no one will remember this, certainly not ESPN.
I'm sure they have meetings at ESPN to discuss what their sponsors want to see.
ESPN is a multi-billion dollar company. They are driven by SuperStar headlines.
ESPN promotes Championship or Bust, SuperStar or Bust themes.
Yea man ESPN stinks!
Their goal is to runin my life! Everyone there hates the Nets. They just don’t understand how much we have changed! Just because they have the most brilliant basketball writers/reporters in the nation doesn’t mean they may have a point! (obviously if you haven’t noticed, that was sarcasm).
Those reporter’s jobs are to watch and analyze basketball games and report on their information. They’ve been doing this for a while, and may actually be correct.
by higgysmalls34 on Aug 25, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
hahaha thank you!
People treat ESPN that way and it just makes me laugh that people think that they are lying to us. ESPN is not the government lol
by higgysmalls34 on Aug 25, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
To quote our last great leader:
“No One Believes in Us but Us.”
-VC on the 2008-2009 Nets, which ended up exceedinv expectations.
I still can't believe people pay to read that stuff...
Mike Insider says "The Nets featuring Derrick “Sparky” Favors will be the surprise team in the NBA this year".
We will probably have 3 new starters in our lineup and nobody has seen this team play one minute yet, but they can predict where we are going to finish? At least 10 new players on this team. This is not the same Nets team from last year. The Nets are the wild card team and who really knows how good or bad we will be. Lets at least play a few preseason games first!
3 new starters
most of whom aren’t that impressive outside of Morrow
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
You want a star at every position?
I believe Murphy and Outlaw will do just fine as starters in the Nets lineup. Avery will be counting on team work. He will not be relying on one or two stars to win every night. I expect to see 9 or 10 guys getting minutes every game.
Murphy is a double-double machine and shoots the ball extremely well… he may be a lousy defender, but we have Favors for that…
check this out:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/will-indiana-pacers-make-2010-11-playoffs
Those who are familiar with The Wages of Wins and Wins Produced are generally the fans who appreciate and recognize Murphy’s worth to a team. Murphy was among the most productive front court players in the league last season, posting a WP48 of 0.281 and producing 13.7 Wins over the course of the season. Murphy has obvious limitations at the defensive end, but is an extremely efficient scorer and a very strong rebounder. Murphy scored 1.10 Point Per Shot last season and grabbed 15.1 Reb/48. His 28.1% Defensive Rebound Rate over the past three seasons was bested by only Carlos Boozer, Dwight Howard, Joel Pryzbilla and Marcus Camby. Replacing him is going to be no small task.
Yeah... But he's no Larry Bird!
That’s the problem with some people. Every player has to be a “star” or have “star” potential. If not, he’s a bum or just a “role” player. I will take Murphy as our PF, thank you very much.
Mike, Andres, newkiddnj
you guys are on point.
Championship teams contain two-three legit star players and a solid supporting cast. This idea being tossed around here about the Nets needed a star at every position is not only silly, but it’s unrealistic.
There is NO such thing as a perfect team, why Nets fans have this belief that we’ll have to have studs at every spot on the roster from 1-15 is baffling.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
No team in the NBA has all stars at each position, not even the dreaded Miami Heat.
But Murphy isn’t a solid starter? A double double guy that is a beast on the boards, money from three, can finish in the paint and is tough as nails?
Unbelievable.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Newark
i still dont understand why people hate the prudential center? just because its still in NJ? i thought it was still a new arena?
They never say they hate the Prudential Center. They just get a kick out of using the Newark name to put down the Nets.
They even call the team the Newark Nets when they want to get a good laugh from their audience. The media, especially ESPN, assume that there are so few Nets fans, that they can afford to make fun.
I have called for the team to change the name to the New Jersey-Brooklyn Nets until they actually move – but apparently there isn’t time. Maybe they can unofficially change the name.
If people continue to call them the Newark Nets, then the organization would be better off using the official name of the New Jersey Nets, until the move.
By no longer using the New Jersey name, Yormarket is allowing the opposition to rename the team the Newark Nets.
most people who find that comical
have never been to Newark, or are so scared to step foot into Newark that they’ll believe everything that they hear.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I lived in Maplewood for some time and I worked in Newark. Not one scratch or incident.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Why I don't get
is why they think the term “Brooklyn” would be a lure for guys like Lebron James.
Same here
“Brooklyn” sounds even more small time than “New Jersey”
just call us the NY Nets and call it a day.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
27-32
If all goes well, we win between 27 and 32 games this year. If we are in contention for a playoff spot anytime during the second half of the year, I will be thrilled. This year is about finding out what Favors, Outlaw, Morrow and TWILL have going for them. I don’t see us signing a major free agent next summer. GO NETS!
Paul from Delray Beach
anyone??
If anyone has insider can you email me this article please?? power_njerz@yahoo.com
I refuse to pay for that.
The worst thing they can say about us
is we’re “stuck” in NJ and lost out on Lebron. Please. They don’t even cite weaknesses we’ll have on the court this year. Totally unfounded, and to me, biased. Can’t wait to see where the Knicks are.
The Headline and Story should be corrected.
It seems that Broussard was the one writing the rankings, with Hollinger contributing to the starting lineups.
Ric Bucher isn’t listed as far as I can tell.
Hollinger predicts that TWill will start at SG. Avery has hinted (before the Murphy trade) that if Morrow works well with Harris, he could be the starter. Hollinger has it wrong again.
And why should we expect anything different from Broussard? He calls the Free Agency a Failure, Pure and Simple.
And Broussard always likes to put down Newark. Fact is that Broussard and his ESPN colleagues have probably contributed to the bad press about Newark, rather than explaining that it is a State-of-the-Art facility just miles from MSG and Central Park.
And why doesn’t Broussard explain, that had Barclays been built sooner, then Prokhorov never would have become the owner.
Broussard and Hollinger are a Joke.
I agree that they got a few things wrong, but calling Hollinger a joke is a bit strong.
He’s basically THE only analyst worth reading at ESPN.
At least Hollinger is quatitative at times, but he doesn't consider everything and he has been lucky with Nets injuries helping his dire predictions in the past.
At least Hollinger has made a contribution to NBA with his statistics, although Executives like Jerry West said he doesn’t take them seriously when evaluating players.
Broussard says what ever comes to his mind, in order to get a story.
Sometimes its hard to know if he is reciting a conversation or just making it up based on what he thinks that person would say.
Broussard could be a borderline “pathological liar”.
Fact is that it is too early to rank the teams, and especially in the case of the Nets, any responsible person should state that there is too large of a range to predict.
Broussard is a clown
his basketball analysis is complete and utter garbage. Broussard probably plays basketball like Stanley from “The Office”
rec’s to anyone who gets that reference, btw.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
it's a challenge...
now its up to our nets to show what they are capable of..
it's a challenge...
now its up to our nets to show what they are capable of..
Evil. Sportspeople. Preparing. Nonsense.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 24, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Or
Evil Sportspeople Perfecting Numbskullism
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 24, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Im pretty sure I made that up about a month ago.
Id never heard it before and it just fell into my head.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he didn't call them...
…“nattering nabobs of negativism”.
That wouldn’t have been original.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 24, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Reddick
I’m a Nets fan living in Chicago, and trading away Kirk Hinrich hoping to secure LeBron, and then signing the likes of JJ and Korver to replace him was idiotic.
by dennishopson on Aug 24, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey... They are not alone...
We gave away Yi for practically nothing and tossed in 3 million for the other team to take him. Thanks LeBron…
that was worth it, IMO
Troy Murphy makes Yi look garbage.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean he looks like Lopez?
I’m confused.
;-)
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 24, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
I’m not too upset about Yi being gone; Hinrich on the other hand was a real contributor to the team, a guy who could play both guard positions and a good defender who came up pretty big in the playoffs.
Actually, he’d fit pretty well on the Nets…
by dennishopson on Aug 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
horrible trade
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 24, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Muscle Devil does not play well against Puerto Ricans...
Hard to explain but it’s a bit like Superman and Kryptonite…
He didn't play well against the Iranians last year either.
He also didn’t play well against either strong or quick power forwards.
There seems to be a pattern developing.
owh well
the media can post all it wants about the nets but what really matters in during the season let them bash the nets all they want the team will shut their mouth when it matters. i support the nets where ever they are!!! i might not be a NJ citizen even though i in malaysia i will support them through thick and thin!
GO NETS!!!!
I can hear Avery Johnsons remarks to the team before our first game this year...
“Well guys, as you all know we didn’t land that core, stud, superstar player we all wanted, so we have no chance of winning this year. Just have fun out there, don’t get hurt and try not to be too late for practice”… “T-Will… are you snoring… nevermind”…
I hate it when they say "Hurt the Nets chances in getting Lebron"
I believe now even if the Nets got John Wall, even if the Nets were moving to Brooklyn this year, even if the Nets signed Amare/Boozer, even if the Nets got the best coach in the world………….he was never coming here!!!!!!!!
Don't listen to ESPN, who are set up to promote Superstars and don't mind trashing teams with small fan bases (less advertising revenue).
If they are going to pull numbers out of their Rear End, why not instead get the prediction form my Read End:
I make a case for 47 victories, but even a base figure of 37 cannot be denied from my estimate:
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/8/25/1649149/why-the-nets-should-be-considered
Oklahoma City?
Last time I checked, Oklahoma City was a small-market team with a new fan base. I don’t think they are even close to leading the league in advertising revenue, however, ESPN clearly supports this team. As I said earlier, they don’t pick the Nets as a team to hate. Thats like saying “I failed my class because my teacher doesn’t like me.” Sometimes the other group isn’t the problem. Sometimes the wrong ones can be fans like us. Those reporter’s jobs are to watch and analyze basketball games and report on their information. They’ve been doing this for a while, and may actually be correct.
by higgysmalls34 on Aug 25, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oklahoma City has a SUPERSTAR and a Star PG.
ESPN has promoted Kevin Durant to be the new Superstar
This proves my point.
If Durant didn’t already say how much he likes the small town environment of OK City, ESPN would be trying to trade him to a large market city.
However, they realize they have no option but to accept OK City as the hosting city for one of the NBA Superstars.
And with Westbrook and Green, ESPN is resigned to accept OK City as a contender.
Should the Nets make the playoffs, and Brook makes the All Star team and someone else like Harris, TWill of Favors appear to be Stars, they will treat the Nets the same. They will also give Nets free publicity ahead of the Brooklyn move.
In the meantime, they will trash the Nets.
The evidence that they also care about fan bases, comes directly from how much press the Knicks get vs. the Nets, even when the Nets are better.
Fine, but how come
many ESPN personalities are happy Kevin Durant is staying in OKC? I have heard Skip Baylis, Jodie Mac, Chris Brossard, and many other reporters comment on how they are happy KD didn’t make a big announcement (like LeBron) with his 3 year max contract extension. Instead he stuck to a small market team, and stayed a loyal player. All of them then admired this. Also, if you don’t want me to use OKC as an example, how about Portland? The Blazers are always featured as one of the up-and-coming teams, yet they are in a small media market, and only have Brandon Roy, a small personality, as their star. Finally, I agree that ESPN comments on the Knicks more because the Knicks have a bigger fan base. They are New York City. Therefore, you are bound to hear about them, than the Nets on 1050 or SportsCenter. However, NEVER have they bashed the Nets. Just because the Nets are a smaller market team, doesn’t mean ESPN hates us. In fact, I hear more trash talk about the Knicks past 10 years than anything else! Just because we aren’t talked about DOES NOT mean we are being “trashed”.
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