Should the Nets Try for J.R. Smith?
by Net Income on Aug 23, 2010 4:50 PM EDT
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PrintJ.R. Smith is a Jersey product--Millstone Township and St. Benedicts Prep of Newark. He was a player the Nets coveted in the 2004 Draft with Rod Thorn saying back then that he wouldn't have had to sell the team's first round pick if the 6'6" Smith was available.
Instead the Hornets took him and for months it looked like he was bound for the Rookie of the Year honors, but he and Byron Scott had a volcanic relationship. He later got into trouble with the law. In 2009, he spent time in jail for causing an auto accident that killed his friend. His relationship with his next coach, George Karl, also devolved and at times they weren't even speaking.
Now the Nuggets want to dump the 24-year-old and DIME's Aron Phillips thinks Smith's hometown team should take a chance, listing the Nets as the top destination. "New Jersey needs some experience and depth at the shooting guard spot," Phillips writes. Smith, whose scoring averaged dropped from 15.4 to 11.2, has an expiring deal worth $6.757 million.
- Source: J.R. Smith on Trading Block - Chris Tomasson - FanHouse
- Top 5 Destinations For J.R. Smith - Aron Phillips - DIME
- NBA At 2: Carmelo, Smith Package? - Bill Ingram - HoopsWorld
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Might as well add the HoopsWorld article as well
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17146
Interesting that they bring up whether he could work under Avery Johnson.
NO
he’s a good shooter, but so is Morrow, and I think TWill has a higher ceiling.
Plus, he has awful taste in tattoos…
NO NO NO
Don’t want him, don’t need him, let’s just drink some moonshine and tell some lies.
Paul from Delray Beach
First, it was Blinebury’s top 5 destinations for Iverson, now this, what’s next? I know it’s summer and those writers are bored, but…
I actually like JR. But he obviously makes no sense here. We don’t need him. If he hadn’t signed Morrow, then I’d be interested. But we don’t need JR. We aready have Harris and Outlaw who are guys who look to score first and foremost. Add JR in the mix and Brook would not smell the ball.
if we had JR
we’d look pretty good imo. we’d have his B+ level skills when and if needed, and he’s a good trade chip with his scoring ability, defense, and especially his expiring contract.
If he stinks up the locker room, ban him. Even that could be a win if we still trade him.
(I’m thinking 50% chance of Nets making a major trade before deadline, and if it goes down it’s probably well into the season.)
I was thinking of this this morning
i’ll pass
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
i dont want jr smith either
he has really bad shot selection and we already have a shooter that is better than him.
We dont need him
I'd take him
if Carmelo came along too.
by NetsKiNG on Aug 23, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate it
when clueless writers like this Philips dude points out to us being a poor offensive team last season. THAT TEAM DOESN’T EXIST ANY MORE! we already addressed the weaknesses JR could help us improve at by signing Morrow. We also added other guys like Outlaw and Murphy who can score.
this
Outlaw may have the ability but he’s pretty much the only one and he’s shown it in flashes. No reason not to try to find high upside types anywhere we can.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
I think we are fine
Go to guys will be Outlaw, Harris, Morrow, Brook, T-Will and Murph isn’t gun shy. If you don’t have THAT guy. You don’t trade for him you develop him by allowing one or 2 guys those responsibilities. Devin can get shots off, Outlaw can get shots off, Morrow can get shots off and T-Will can make plays. We will be riding hot hands most nights. That’s even less predictable and keeps the intensity level high on the team because guys won’t know when it’s thier night or not. So they will go hard every game.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
stop associating this with Melo
it has nothing to do with it.
This is a pure baseless speculation by Philips. It’s like the article about AI. This is not a report or anything. It’s a writer’s opinion. This doesn’t mean the Nets are interested in him. They surely shouldn’t. And as I said I like the kid.
I don’t think JR is a hot commodity. He’s talented no doubt, but he’s also a knuckle head so that could scare some teams away. But kid can play. Now add to that the fact that he’s an expiring contract and think Denver could get something in return for him, esp if they combine him with other exp contracts they have, as lnog as they’re willing to take on longer contracts.
My money is on Denver’s new GM using JR and other assets to make a move to make Carmelo happier, like Dell Demps did.
If we want JR Smith, we shoulda kept CLee.
JR Smith was top 5 in the league in 3 pt attempts, but in like the 90s in 3 pointers made. Aside from shooting, he does little else. No thanks.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 23, 2010 5:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Last year
dude ranked #6 in the NBA in FG attempts per 48 minutes (23.88). he’s got good scoring talent but kid loves to takes a lot of shots.
If he were to score 30 in a game, his counterpart would score 40...
He’s a defensive liability, too.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 23, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Head over to denverstiffs.com and read the comments in the post on this topic and you’ll see what we’d be in for…
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 23, 2010 5:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
OT
KD ranks Outlaw 17th best SF in the league:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ranking-the-small-forwards-20-through-11?urn=nba-264472
I like the Travis signing, but I wouldn’t put him ahead of Ariza…
I ranked him 19th….see im not that crazy
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/8/22/1635884/my-nba-standings-prediction-for
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
yeah thats insane
yeah Ariza was awful last year but I don’t see how he can justify putting him so low for one year.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
okay maybe it's just me
or that I haven’t watched enough non nets basketball, but it seems to me this list kind of sucks.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
also I think Butler is a bit high
but that may just be because I see him as really falling off compared to the player he was a few years ago.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
LOL take a look at the top 10
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ranking-the-small-forwards-11-through-1?urn=nba-264568
AK? Gallo? Deng? WTF?
Why would we bring in JR Smith?
Makes no sense at all. We have plenty of wing players. Anybody that we bring in here should be a star.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We got Iverson,next Jr Smith who's next???
I hope we start off strong because this is getting ridiculous no respect but we did win 12 games so I guess it is what it is but still smh. I guess Antoine Walker is next he’s making a comeback go dump him on the Nets.
Penny Hardaway is next
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 23, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a lot a bit crazy
but he can shoot and right now we really only have one player who can consistently stretch the floor.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
yeah
He definitely can play. I just don’t know if we would bring him in here, unless it included anthony as well.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ginas back people
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
On the other hand
do we really want to add Jr. Smith’s kind of crazy to a team with so many young players
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
No, we don't
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 23, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
is morrow crazy?
im not sure how Smith’s age is at all relevant to my statement.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
One Player Gina??
We have Morrow, Murphy, Outlaw and Farmar. Add a D James and you could run out 5 guys who all shoot the 3 who weren’t even on the roster last year. So as of now we don’t need JR’s skill set. We just need to be sure that the air quality, lighting, flooring and rims at the Rock agree with our new shooters
And JR Smith and consistent should never be uttered in the same sentence. Unless of course you are saying “JR Smith and consistent should never be uttered in the same sentence”
The JETS/NETS are coming!
The second Josh Howard?
Howard was an All-Star, but didn’t have Avery as a babysitter off the court, where he got in trouble the most.
Im not crazy about jr smith…but there is a place for him on this team….
HArris/Farmar/Uzoh
JR Smith/Twill
Outlaw/Morrow/James
Murphy/Favors/May/Hump
Lopez/Petro/Zobek
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I think he would come here wanting to many minutes
Theres not enough for him right now, he’s not good enough to take minutes away from Morrow,T-wil,Outlaw, and even James. I want to see James and see him get minutes with JR SMith here he would just in my eyes make things difficult on and off the court, and he’s not good enough for us to take that risk and take minutes away from our other wings and SF. Carmelo yes but JR SMith??? NAhhhh
Woh
he not good enough to take minutes away from those four guys? The guy can score at a higher rate than any two of those guys put togehter I wouldn’t want him on this team becuase of his off court issues but don’t under value him now. (on the court). James hasn’t even played one minute and T-Will averaged 8.0ppg last season come on you can’t say he’s not good enough to take minutes way from both those guys or at least not yet.
um I think you might be confusing the word rate
he certainly doesn’t score at a higher rate than either of them with a .414 fg (.333 from 3). He scores a lot of points at a low rate because he chucks up so many shots.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
either of them being Morrow and Outlaw
He’s also completely one dimensional, not only in the fact all he can do is score in the fact that even his scoring is one dimensional. Outlaw and T-will at least have multi-faceted games, and James is expected to as well, and Morrow actually does score at an insanely higher rate than him. The only reason a team should give JR Smith significant minutes is if they’re desperate for a shooter. And we suck so we’re not really desperate for anything in particular.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
It don't matter he can score
even he chucks up shots or doesn’t use the shot clock(not patient).
um what
yes it does. All those other players could probably score too if they just threw up shots with reckless abandon. You give me enough shot attempts I’ll eventually get to 20 too. That’s why they keep stats like fg% because all scoring isn’t created equal. There’s no gained value in scoring 5 more points on 10 more shots.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Harris and T-Will 40% overall and 28% from 3 combined (averaged).
Just cuz U shoot at a higher rate doesn’t mean your a better scorer.
One thing, however
One thing I like about J.R. is his trade value presumably is low, so we perhaps would be able to get him for cheap. I don’t know, Jarvis Hayes and Kris Humphries for him (?) I just don’t see why Denver would give him away considering they could just let him walk next summer, anyway…unless he is that much of a cancer behind the scenes.
But let’s contemplate Hump + Hayes (both expirings and good character guys) for J. R.
That’s Hayes’ 2.4 mil + Hump’s 3.2 mil = 5.6 mil
J.R. has 6.7 mil coming to him
so it would free up cap space for Denver, and I believe have 2.5 mil in cap room, so it would work.
Just looking at possibilities, don’t jump down my throat :)
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
BTW, I know I am waaay undervaluing J. R.
lol
I am purposely lowballing Denver.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Did you just read what you just wrote Tom???
LOL.
But let’s contemplate Hump + Hayes (both expirings and good character guys) for J. R
Why would such a young team give up good charachter serviceable guys for a Malcontent Volume shooter?
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Wouldn't be that surprised by a TWill/JR trade
The thing about TWill is that everyone assumes he “figured it out” late in the year and now that’s the player they expect him to be. But sometimes rookies turn it on at the end when they’re out of the playoff hunt and the games don’t matter as much, but then revert to their mediocre selves the next year. Look at Brandon Rush or Julian Wright.
And if you think JR is too much of a gunner, then check out TWill’s FGAs last March and April when he was playing so well. Not quite JRs level, but not far from it.
I mean even if T-will hasn't figured it out
you don’t trade a second year player who’s shown some flashes for a malcontent with major off-court issues.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Julian Wright or Brandon Rush
Never had the end of the season that T-will did, he took over games dude, he wasn’t just hitting a shot here and there getting a dunk in transition, he put his imprint on games like the 27-13-10 games those guys didn’t come close to that or even show up in the summer league. T-will if you seen him play is made of a a different fiber than those dudes just saying.
Also T-will is a playmaker
Has a higher basketball IQ than Jr Smith and not as much of a head case as Smith, would be a horrible trade a player o the rise for a player on the decline.
there's zero chance something like that happen
First off, Smith role would be that Morrow will play for us, not TWill’s. Second, Smith’s trade value won’t net them a young prospect like TWill. Third, the Nets are NOT interested in Smith, this is a writer naming teams he thinks should trade for him, that’s it, again, and for god’s sake, he names the Cavs, which are coached by BYRON SCOTT, who said he was done banging his head against the wall trying to figure out how to deal with JR’s personality. Do you think Avery wants to deal with someone like that? The answer is NO.
JR is one dimensional. He shoots a lot, Williams can pass. You’re undervaluing Williams’ trade value if you think the Nets would even consider something like that. Smith is a knuckle head his team wants to rid themselves of. And Couch said trading Lee shows how high the Nets think of TWill, sorry.
im not really sure why tradng Lee would have anything to do wth T-will
when they have vastly different games. There’s zero reason they couldn’t coexist in an offense, they’d be close to perfect compliments.
mediocrity thy name is Wilpon- jdon
Okay
1. How do you know what TWill’s role will be? He imagines himself a PG, but Harris and Farmar have that covered. Can he play off the ball? Can he consistently make an outside shot? JR can.
2. How much of a young prospect TWill is is exactly my point. We can disagree, but there’s a chance TWill can only excel while dominating the ball for what was still a bad team last March/April.
3. Just because the writer’s an idiot doesn’t prove the Nets aren’t interested in him.
JR is a decent passer for a shooter, TWill is a horrible shooter for a passer, but a better rebounder. They’re about the same size, and JR is only one year older. I can see it happening.
1. Johnson says he already knows how to utilize Williams. He says he sees him more as 1-2, 2-1. At the SG we only have Morrow and Williams, go figure. Even if he’s playing the 2, he would be handling the playmaking duties, bc Harris needs a wing who can create for other next to him.
2. Williams was the Nets’ last year lottery pick. And he played great, and he played most of those minutes next to Harris, so I don’t see a reason for concern there. And, as I’ve pointed out on other threads, look at how other rookies like Rondo or Josh Smith didn’t break out until the final two months of the season while playing for terrrible teams, smart teams don’t undervalue their young players with potential bc of that, au contraire, TWill showing more maturity in such terrible circumstances gives more reasons for hope. it’s not like he just averaged 10 ppg. No. He did everything on a basketball court. 14-7-6
3. There is NO indication the Nets would be interested in Smith. NONE.
JR is a decent passer for a shooter, TWill is a horrible shooter for a passer
NO, JR is NOT a decent passer.
JR ranked 6th in FG attempts per 48 minutes last season.
Williams ranked 22nd in assists per 48 min last season AS A ROOKIE and despite he had several bad months.
NUFF SAID.
there’s zero chance something like waht you prosposed happens ZERO
I honestly doubt the Nets would even take JR for free, let alone at the cost of one of their most promising youngsters, again read what njnets.com Ben Couch said about the Nets and TWill after they traded Lee.
Again and for crying it out loud, Byron Scott, who is close friends with Avery, gave up on dealing with JR. His words were something like I’m done bnging my head against a wall re trying to handle with the kid’s personality. And it has already been reported Avery doesn’t want to handle with high maintence players. That’s one of the reasons why they passed on Beasley, even if the Heat were willing to giftwrap him for us..
I wouldn't mind seeing T-Will and JR play together super Athletic Combo with Size
but never be traded for one another. Probably Trade Harris, Murphy, James and Picks for Melo and JR but not T-Will for J.R.
Why not?!
The only way I make a deal for JR is if we can get Carmelo. I’d take the both of them. If we have to get JR first for only Hayes and Ross, I’d so it. If we can get them both at the same time:
Devin, TWill, Hump, Hayes, Ross, 2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders FOR
Melo, JR
by corky_romano4life on Aug 23, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
Can't trade Ross
I think we have to wait till mid September but I am not sure.
by Prash Ramani on Aug 23, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I say yes.
He can be an explosive scorer who can start at the 2 position with Morrow behind him and T-will being the utility player who can come in at the 1 2 or 3. And another reason why I would want him is because his scoring ability can really help the Nets gain attention which they need for free agents. The big reason why the Nets struck out in free agency this year is because they aren’t on the map and a scorer like J.R can put them on the map.
Oh and..
I think an appropriate trade scenario for him would be Hump and a first rounder or Hump and 2 second rounders.
by Prash Ramani on Aug 23, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely not.
Unless you want your starting 2 to be the most inconsistent player in the league who shows up about once every 5 games. Hell, Nuggets fans will tell you how he wasn’t even consistent enough to be a 6th or 7th man, let alone a starter.
I dont think that was the problem
It was that he wasn’t consistent AS a 6th man. You see, he has had the starting roll dangled in front of him for years now, and he clearly has a bad relationship with george karl. I think he would surprise as a starter, when he is not the only scorer/ ball handler.
We already have someone to provde us what JR would. JR’s role will be played by Morrow, and
- Morrow is more efficient
- Morrow is more of a team player
- Morrow, unlike JR, is a solid citizen
We don’t need JR at all. And Johnson doesn’t want high maintenance players like JR. Again, Byron Scott, who is friends with AJ, said he was done with JR and that he wouldn’t wait a second of his time with the kid anymore. Yeah, I think AJ would love to have him, right.
Avery loves the "underdog" Morrow types
Undrafted hard workers. Avery seems to cherish these players because they were like he was. And Don Nelson said that Anthony Morrow is the best shooter he has EVER coached. For him to say something like that speaks Volumes. He didn’t say 3 point shooter he said shooter period. And Avery said he thinks Morrow may beat out everyone for the starting 2 spot and that was when Lee was here.
Keep J.R!!! I’m riding with Morrow.
Look for Uzoh to slip in as well if he is solid in camp. He was projected in the first round.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
maybe - depends on what kind of contract he wants
he may be a “knucklehead” but he’s a natural 2, has a lot of talent and he’s still only 24. he’s not a bad defender, he led the league in steals (13th per minute). if all things were equal i’d probably trade twill (another “knucklehead”) for him but it may be tough to sign JR to a reasonable contract
jeez
TWill is not a knuckle head. No coach has said that he wasn’t going to waste his time with him anymore like Scott said about JR. And TWill hasn’t killed anyone either, as JR did.
Enough with this nonsense. No GM would do that.
JR Smith is loco
No thanks. Maybe if we were an experienced team with a need for a scorer off the bench, but with this team, heck no- he just doesnt get it.
Go to NBA 2k10. Personality for JR Smith. unpredictable. Thats exactly what this team does not need. Some people didnt like CDRS attitude. You will throw up by JR smiths atrocious shot selection and weird personality
by i says on Aug 23, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Too Bad...
Yi for JR would have been nice
by corky_romano4life on Aug 23, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
The reason to get him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW2Otj4kWug
OH to the MY GOSH
by corky_romano4life on Aug 23, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
a dunk is not a reason to bring a malcontent head case to a young nba team trying to wipe the stink of a horrid season off.
by power_njerz on Aug 23, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Noooooooooooooooo
Don’t need a problem child on this young team looking to rebound from a low in the history of an already long-troubled franchise.
We don't need....
either one of them…(Smith or Anthony)………And Yes…A team can win with Chemistry w/out the supposed “Superstar”……A player or two or three will emerge as the go to guy(s)…..Harris , Favors , Lopez , James , Murphy , TWILL and many more of our players are capable……We are a “HAPPY TEAM” now……
I thought of a more fun idea since there is NO Chance ot King going after Smith at this time, unless it is part of a Melo deal.
How about we compare the Nets team this year with that from last year, position by position.
I would say that this year’s Nets team is better at 11 out of 12 contract players.
That tells me The Nets will be a hell of a lot better.
The only position that might be better last year is Hump of 09-10.
However, since Hump only played 1/2 of the season last year, overall Hump of 10-11 should be better.
Farmer vs. Dooling would be close, but Dooling was playing injured all of last year.
That makes Nets better, top to bottom this year.
I don’t think there ever has been a team that improved at 12 of 12 positions from one year over the prior.
Would be nice is some knowledgeable sports writer made that into a topic of discussion on a slow August day.
Actual Trade Scenario?
Can someone present one that would work under the current salary cap conditions, before the season starts (trade eligibility)?
Could this work?
NETS get: Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith
NUGGETS get: Devin Harris, Terrence Williams, Kris Humphries, Quinton Ross, Jarvis Hayes
OR – does it seem possible that this could happen mid-season? Then we could possibly include either Morrow, Outlaw, Farmar, Petro? —>> let’s say everyone on the team is eligible to be traded:
NETS get: Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith, Ty Lawson
NUGGETS get: Devin Harris, Travis Outlaw, Terrence Williams, Kris Humphries, Jarvis Hayes, Quinton Ross, picks, cash
by corky_romano4life on Aug 24, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions
So potentially 8 players for 3???
You have to have a young core. To me that core will be Lopez, Favors, T-Will, D James and now I add Morrow. If we can get Melo and keep those 5 I’m good. T-Will was a lottery pick coming off a horrible season of team injuries, defacto coaches and being a rookie too. Without T-Will we are talking about our 8 win team who was the worst in history.
This team can win with balance 2 volume shooters like Melo and JR wil upset the balance and stunt the growth of everyone else.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Woj says the Nuggets are trying to convince Anthony to sign the extension. He also says Melo is thrilled about the idea of joining the Rockets, even more so than he is about joining the Knicks. The Nets aren’t even mentioned in the story:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-anthonykroenke082410
Oh great... Another soap opera...
What will we watch?… “Who shot J.R.” or more likely "Who will J.R. Shoot?
No Thanks
Talented two guard who can pour in 30 one night, and disappear totally the next.
Didn’t we actually just trade a guy like that to Houston? Oh yeah, and that guy didn’t have as much baggage. Pass!
by dennishopson on Aug 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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