RealGM: Chemistry, Not Carmelo, Will Put Nets On "Thunder Road"
by Net Income on Aug 22, 2010 6:34 PM EDT
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PrintIf the Nets are going to follow "Thunder Road" (appropriate Bruce Springsteen reference) and model themselves after Oklahoma City, they should focus not on acquiring Carmelo Anthony from the Nuggets but developing chemistry within themselves. So writes Jason Schreier of RealGM.
In fact, he says, losing out on free agency might have been a big first step: "The Thunder didn't make many major roster changes to get to where they are today—the transformation began when Scott Brooks took over, Kevin Durant's leadership skills started improving, and the team's young players – like Durant, Russell Westbrook, and Jeff Green – all started developing chemistry."
Acquiring Carmelo Anthony, he suggests, could hurt that process. "We can't coddle to free agents like we did last year, trading away assets for cap space that may or may not even be necessary depending on where one guy decides to move." Bottom line: "Be Patient".
- New Jersey Nets Front Office: Using OKC's Model Of Success - Jason Schreier - RealGM
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comment on the story….which presents a reasonable argument (although as Avery Johnson has noted, it’s a lot easier to follow the OKC model if you have a Durant)
OKC model is the way to go in my opinion
Like you said, its much easier and in my opinion more effective. Carmelo time is now for the Nets.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 22, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
but okc had very young players that had no nba ego's
we have a few players that have been in the nba already can they over come being veterans and just being part of the development of this new and young nets team?
Wait, strike what I said. Didnt make sense.
My opinion is the way to compete is build a team around a superstar. We have the team, now get the superstar. We get the right deal for Carmelo, we are a very, very good team.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 22, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Carmelo can give us a dominant scoring presence, added with our young talent.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 22, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup exactly
It’s why giving up talents like Twill and others would be tough, but for a player like Carmelo you do it.
If you have Carmelo, Lopez, & Favors on a team, you have all the foundations you need for the building of a championship team.
Or more young solid and more talented players
AKA more weapons. Outside of Durant and Westbrook everyone else is pretty role player ish. I think we have more guys with higher ceilings who can take over games at any time. Harris,Morrow,T-will,Lopez,Murphy and Favors or James eventually I think might be able to leave their imprint on games more than a role player would.
thats right they have durant cornerstone of the franchise... like you sad Net income
if we had durant it would be much easy …. bring on melo but dont give up BROOK
Bruce a Nets fan?
“Waste your summer praying in vain for a saviour to rise from these streets” (Thunder Road)
Maybe he’s referring to Carmelo Anthony?
or they should work on both
u can’t be like thunder without a superstar….carmelo is the closest thing to durant
by netsball on Aug 22, 2010 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is the Nets's Durant? You only get a Durant through the lottery (top 3 pick)
The way the Nets are currently constructed, we are not sniffing Top3 pick in the next 3 years. So, is Favors our (future) Durant? Is Lopez? Please don’t say TWill or DJames.
by 3ptChucker on Aug 22, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We have a lot more depth tho
With players who have higher ceilings than OKC in my opinion, Westbrook and Durant are pretty much what they have everyone else ceilings are role player ish.
Favors would have to dominate the post for that to happen
I don’t see that yet.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Durant is a hall of Fame talent who can score at will
He doesn’t have to be at Durants level, as long as our other parts continue to grow
I agree with this to a point
but, the difference is, we don’t have a perimeter threat in the level of Durant, which is why I advocate going after Melo
BUT,,,
if the asking price is stupid, meaning the mention of the names Lopez or Favors….then yes….lets be patient.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
IF we can get Melo for nothing, in my mind we become better then the Thunder. We have more of a bench… especially if Favors pans out.
You’re asking Melo to sign an extension for a lower cost than if he had stayed in Denver. I don’t see that happening. He would have done what LeBron, Wade and Bosh did if he were serious about leaving money on the table and going elsewhere. No, he wants to be traded so that he can sign a max extension. And while I’m not a big Melo fan at all, he is worth every penny of a max deal.
DURANT is why the Thunder Are What They Are
The NBA is a superstar league, where late-game situations like the Heat-Nets game described at the beginning of the article are almost invariably decided in favor of the best player on the floor. It has proven time and time again, that close-knit teams with chemistry coming out of their eyeballs will still lose in the playoffs when facing a superior star.
The Nets need to be a cohesive unit in order to be a playoff team; but if we’re serious about fulfilling Phroky’s promise, we need a perennial All-Star, now. Most Nets fans feel that we have 2, 3 or even 4 guys that could be that good, but 29 other teams could claim the same thing. Odds are much better when you trade for a star, and Melo is about the best on the block.
All that said, I will not trade Lopez for Anthony. I wouldn’t even want to involve Brook in a deal that netted us Carmelo AND Chris Paul, the other superstar currently on the trading block. Everything else, ANYTHING else is fair game, if the value is reasonable and it can get us a truly elite player.
Exactly… How much a diff team they would be if they had Oden. (And I love Oden, but its the luck of the draw)
im thinking the other way
imagine if Portland look KD instead of Oden :o
A. Miller / J. Bayless
B. Roy /
K. Durant /
L. Aldridge /
M. Camby / Przybilla /
Portland is considered contenders right now
If they added Durant , that would be a deadly squad. I would take Portland over the three queens in Miami. They also have solid young talent backing up like Batum and Pendergraph
~AC24
Lot of good points in this article. Patience. But, we do not have a Durant. We don’t have a Westbrook. We may have a Green. Durant is one of the top players in the league and will probably be the top player in a couple of years. Lopez is our best and he is not in that class. Harris has faults as the article points out; Farmar is the steadier PG Avery really wants. I agree with being patient, but I do not think that Lopez is enough to build around. He is not Howard or Shaq or Ewing or Olajuwan. He may end up a solid player, but probably not a star. He needs another big talent. Who will that be? If not Favors, then we must make a trade or lure a star. Lopez and Murphy is a good duo, but if you put a Garnett or Duncan or even a Bosh or Boozer next to that, you have a formidable tandem to build around. Sure Garnett and Boozer are old, but you know what I mean. The nets need a stud. Melo and CPaul seem to be available. WHy wouldn’t you grab them? Having Lopez and Rose or CPaul is a lot different than having Lopez and Harris or Farmar. But, I agree, the Nets are building this right and if the right stud pops up, they have what it takes to grab him. Why not take a Melo?
Unless he is a Nets fan
And then he might be Andres B
I echo the sentiment of many here, where it’s easy to follow the OKC model when you have Durant.
OKC hasn't won any championships
and they might not. Jeff Green is restricted free agent next year and they could lose him. There have been a lot of upstart teams that have done well in the playoffs that don’t have rings. Nets need to stay the course. They should develop talent and if the right trade comes up they should make it. Follow their own blue print…
If I were Presti
I’d sell high on Green. He’s overrated and not worth the big bucks. You cannot win with him being your PF, IMO.
He isn't worth big bucks production wise
But he is absolutely vital to that OKC team. He is the glue guy that brings whatever they need from game to game. They won 50 games with him as their PF, they’ve already won with him.
Is Jeff Green a power forward? By traditional standards, absolutely not. But just like some teams play with two point guards or two centers (ie the Lakers), why can’t OKC play with two small forwards? Why must Green actually be considered a power forward? Again, I’m not saying that Jeff Green should start at the 4 and play there for 82 games the next 10 years. As I’ve said a million times, I don’t know where he really fits in yet. Though something worked last year, even against the evidence of advanced stats. Green helped this team win. How you can calculate that, I don’t know.
Jeff Green: Atlantic sharpnose shark
The Atlantic sharpnose changes depths along with the seasons, much like Green adapts game-to-game by doing whatever is needed to win. Often accused of not producing when he doesn’t fill up the stat sheet, Green finds a way to fit in by contributing whatever he can from his multifaceted game to try and eke out a win. Sometimes is scoring 20 points, sometimes it’s grabbing eight boards and two steals, but not usually all of that on the same night.
I like Green
but he pee’d his pants during the playoff series against LA.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Any comparison to the Thunder that Does not START with Durant is just silliness.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Who Would You Prefer?
People were oozing for CP3 to be traded here. Saying he’d save this franchise. How could a package deal we sent for CP3 (with possibly Harris, T-Will, Hump, etc) be so much worse for Anthony?
What is the farthest CP3 has taken a team? As I recall, never to the Western Conference Finals (Anthony was there).
Bottom line: as long as Favors/Lopez is not involved in a deal to get Carmelo, do it. Without a player like Carmelo, Wade, CP3, LeBron, Durant, Kobe, etc., it’s hard to be a difference maker in this league.
C’mon Billy, make this happen.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 22, 2010 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
CP3 turned a nobody like Chandler into a beast at the basket
and is a top 5 league player. Melo does not make players better, hogs the ball and isn’t a regular MVP candidate.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Kidd
turned nobodies like RJ, KMart, and even Todd McColluh into good players. KMart even an All-Star. After Kidd, all of their careers went straight down hill (like Vince on Entourage)
by corky_romano4life on Aug 22, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris
Turned nobody Josh Howard into an all star, Dirk into an MVP, made bums like Bass and Diop multi-mulit-millionaires, and took a historic underachieving Dallas team to the finals – and the team has not made it out of the first round since.
As long as you are mentioning Harris..
The author needs to correct himself, since Harris played for a championship with Dallas – and Avery expects Devin to be playing defense like he used to, with offense like he did 2 years ago – but with better teammates.
Can we please wait until after the season begins before we know if CP3 is going to be the same explosive player he once was or whether Harris will be better than ever?
Most Nets fans are content to have the season start with the players we have now. Melo isn’t going anywhere soon.
wow Harris turned Dirk into an MVP?!!
The Nets REALLY must be bad because he could only turn them into the worst team in the league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Harris is NOT Chris Paul
Harris turned nobody Josh Howard into an all star, Dirk into an MVP…
In 2006 (Dirk’s MVP year), Harris’ stats were an INCREDIBLE:
rbs 2.5, assts 3.7 points 10.2
In 2007 when Chris Paul finished 2nd in the MVP
rbs 4.0, assts 11.6 points 21.1
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
kv - no sense of humor today?
Just enjoying how players are measured and compared. The players around them, the system they play in, the coaching staff supporting them, the teams they are competing against, the timing of injuries, so may factors…..fun because everyone can pick the one they like and make the point they want.
As an example……Harris being a hard nosed defensive PG who did not demand the ball but set up players to be successful in Avery’s system put Dallas in the finals, made Dirk MVP and made Howard an allstar. Had he put up bigger numbers it would have been at the expense of the other guys and maybe the team. Harris putting up big numbers in 2008-09 may have been the exact reverse. Get my point……it keeps the blog world spinning…..
You are missing the point and have confused the issue.
Someone started by comparing Melo to CP3 (a bad comparison). CP3 was thought by some to be a franchise changer, therefore Melo is one. Now you have compared Harris to CP3 which is an even more ridiculous comparison.
The point is that UNLESS you get a Gold Level superstar if you lock up your salary cap you are NOT going to compete seriously for a championship. Melo is not that kind of player, and neither is Harris.
I don’t care how much “hardnose” defense Harris plays
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 23, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t get your jokes I guess.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 23, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah. I get it. Its…
Harris turned Dirk into an MVP just like Paul turned Chandler into a beast…ha, ha, ha, not joking, just being playful.
Good point.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 23, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
How was it Harris that made Dirk and all those other guys better?
Dirk has been scoring 20+ ppg since Harris was in college. Him not demanding the ball was not due to any sacrifice by him, he was a young player on a veteran team, is Mario Chalmers gonna demand the ball from Wade or LeBron?
NetsDaily...
…it’s serious business.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Once again, the author has a selective memory.
Proky has already guaranteed that Nets WILL make the playoffs this season.
Seems the sports writers only want to remember the championship promise.
Avery and King are under orders to make the playoffs this season. That is why they agreed to trade for Troy Murphy.
And Billy King also said that after the season they will sit down and talk about an extension.
(unless of course it gets in the way of signing someone like Melo).
So there is NO Blue Print to follow. Nets will have to make their own Blue Print, and adjust accordingly.
So if Nets making the playoffs this season gets in the way of the thoughts of this author for the Nets to get more Lottery picks, then maybe he should be rooting for another team to lose.
Proky's strategy is that Brooklyn + playoff caliber team will lure superstars
CP3, Carmelo and other stars would want to join a playoff team playing in a major market like Brooklyn/NY
I think that there is a plan in place
hence, why we didn’t waste money on anyone aside from roleplayers that fill needs.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Please complete the Real GM survey about where Carmelo will be playing to begin the 10-11 season.
http://www.realgm.com/ Survey is on the left side
It is good to see that it is between the Nets, Knicks, Nuggets and other.
That shows some respect for the Nets since ESPN won’t even mention the Nets as a place for Melo to go.
However, the obvious answer is Denver, because Nets wouldn’t even be able to trade some of their players until Dec. 15.
And there is ZERO chance he goes to the Knicks before the season. Knicks have nothing to offer Denver except Gallinari and a 2014 1st round pick.
I chose Nets nonetheless.
As you might imagine Knicks are way ahead of the Nets in that survey by an 8:1 margin. (That is because the HYPE that ESPN does).
People are idiots if they think he will be a Knick to start the season.
You said it, ESPN = HYPE
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 22, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The Nets can trade players before December 15th
and those players are the most appealing ones IMO, mainly Harris, Williams, James.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
What's up with a GM in Denver?
Are they close to hiring one?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 23, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions
agreed!
we already has althleticism in our team.. we have a deep bench. what lacks of this team right now are maturity and chemistry which i think avery now focuss on and try to develop..
Can I ask something that might be overlooked a little?
are the Nets (minus pieces they use for a trade to get him) better than the Nuggets?
And are we way overvaluing Derrick Favors and Brook Lopez?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
They're better because they have experience and cohesion on their side, their main guys have been together a while now
But while their players aren’t gonna get any better than they already are anymore, our players still have their whole NBA lives ahead of them
If Brook can become Durant level good next year, then yes
But if not, we’re not getting to the Thunder model’s level of success
I don't think he has to be at Durants level
Just dominate at his position become an allstar and command double teams doesn’t have to be a hall of famer, I think we have really good other pieces who can become allstars themselves.
I think we have to give Brook a shot to be our Durant
I mean, before last season, was Durant a superstar? Nope. He was a triggerhappy one dimensional scorer. His rookie year, he was rubbing some people the wrong way for shooting too much. But in the span of one summer he transformed into this ultra-competitive guy who played great defense and hit the three consistently, not to mention being one of the most prolific 90% free throw shooters in the league.
I wanna see what Brook does with his 3rd year
i guess...
what the author mean is that even if carmelo will come to nets, if their is no chemistry in this team at all, nets will only be a good playoffs team..
but why we have to follow on thunder?? i can’t picture out our nets to be the next thunder. but the pistons of 2004 would be better..
Who's our 4 time defensive player of the year?
And do we have 4 allstar worthy guys on the roster? Heck, the Pistons had 5, Prince should’ve made one. Prince was also all defensive 4 times. Chauncey was not only an allstar, but was all-nba 3 times and all defensive 2 times
muwu, you are totally on it
Ben Wallace
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
2002-03 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
2004-05 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
2005-06 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
MVP Award Shares
2001-02 NBA 0.019 (10)
2002-03 NBA 0.028 (8)
2003-04 NBA 0.020 (7)
Rasheed Wallace
Defensive Rating
2004-05 NBA 99.0 (9)
2007-08 NBA 98.1 (6)
All-Star Games
2000 NBA
2001 NBA
2006 NBA
2008 NBA
T. Prince
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
Hamilton
All-Star Games
2006 NBA
2007 NBA
2008 NBA
3-Pt Field Goal Pct
2005-06 NBA .458 (1)
2007-08 NBA .440 (6)
Billups
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
MVP Award Shares
2005-06 NBA 0.344 (5)
2006-07 NBA 0.003 (11)
2008-09 NBA 0.027 (6)
2009-10 NBA 0.001 (12)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 23, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
It should also be remembered that although the Lakers made it
to the finals they were not a full strength team. Kobe sprained his shoulder rather seriously in March an injury that slowed him till the end, and Malone never recovered from his knee injury that year (retiring after the Finals), and lastly Shaq was having trouble with his calf. The three HoFers were not really full strength. So, the great Detroit exception, as remarkable as it was, fortified by tremendous defense, still was accomplished in part because the HoF roster of the Lakers was heavily diluted.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 23, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
right now there are only 2 players worthy of an All-Star.
Down the road if everything pan out for our young players we might have from 3-5 players making One or 2 apperances at the all-star game. But for the defensive player of the year? I’m not sure if we even going to have one but we might have 3 or 4 players at above average on defense.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 23, 2010 7:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they became allstars when they play together...
that’s team chemistry…
Team chemistry alone can't win you the title
Team chemistry AND talent will. Helps that the Pistons also had one of the best defensive coaches there is in Larry Brown. Larry Brown made last year’s Bobcats squad into one of the best team defenses in the NBA, what more the Pistons.
so do you think that nets don't have the talent??
im sure we have.. yes we don’t have a defensive player but we can be defensive team.. we also have a defensive coach in johnson.. it is now up to johnson to mold and utilize these players potential like the one’s that pistons have. which is more i like in terms of following than that of thunder.. and defense can be easily taught than offense..
Who has a good chance of making an allstar game outside of brook and devin?
You can be optimistic about twill and favors, but they are in no way locks or even very very good shots right now in terms of becoming an allstar. The pistons model might work, but that’s if the best case scenario of our players happen. What happens when twill and favors aren’t allstar talents?
by muwu on Aug 23, 2010 3:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And i don't understand how defense can be more easily taught than offense
Because defense on a wide scale cannot be taught. Why do so many teams struggle defensively then if it’s so easy to learn?
There is no drill to practice defense by yourself. No type of exercise will go at you like a kobe or melo. Defense is partly intrinsic. Some guys have great anticipation. You can anticipate naturally or gain some of it by diligently watching game tape. Physicality can not be taught. No one can teach you to be tough, or to defend physically. No one can teach you to fight through a screen every single time, shotblocking is an unteachable skill, so much of it is timing and anticipation that it’s an either you have it or you don’t skill
by muwu on Aug 23, 2010 4:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you on individual defense...
….but what about good team defense? Obviously KG and Perkins were the anchors for Boston’s championship defense, but what about Pierce and Allen? Neither player was known for playing good defense, yet Boston’s team defense, especially on the perimeter, was stifling that season. They were rotating and getting to their assignments and staying in front of their man…that was effort IMO.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions
that is what i mean..
pistons as model might work.. who knows.. we have the talent, we have the athleticism, but we don’t have a go to guy, a superstar in KD. that is why i cant picture out our nets following on a thunder road.. and i say pistons because they don’t have superstars in that team. and look at your stats they(prince,hamilton,billups) became allstars and defensive when brown came..(even big ben’s offense went up) yet they don’t have a superstar like KD. now who said that defense and offense can’t be taught??
defense and offense can be taught.. i didn’t say individually but as a team. individual can’t win games… as what you have said, brown makes the bobcats a defensive team.. so meaning it can be taught..
This aritcle
basically articulated exactly what I think/feel about this team. I agree with the core being Lopez, Favors, and TWill. I build around that, and don’t go for any ‘big’ names if it means moving/dismantling my core. I only look to add big names. The only teams that are going to have any chance at competing over the next five years are really well balanced, deep and defensive teams. That’s the only way to compete vs. LA or Miami, IMO. A high volume scorer with mediocre efficiency will not help us compete if it means dismantling our core for him.
Great article.
by adronaline on Aug 23, 2010 6:19 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
agreed
I would love to have that kind of scoring output here on the Nets, but not at the expense of the entire farm.
I’m open to trading Williams, but Lopez/Favors is a no no.
If our options are to be patient and wait for something else, or gut our team as presently constructed, I’d rather be patient and develop the talent.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 23, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Again, u guys are missing it...
Except Adronaline and Andres B.
Of course we don’t have a Durant. He’s possibly the 2nd best bball player in the world.
But the “hard work/develop young athletic draft talent/upgrade to top coach/develop chemistry” model is both smart and the best model or fit for this unit and this organization.
Silly Rabbits, we don’t have to look or smell like
OKC or have Durant. In fact, I think it works better for us long term than it works for them.
by Jron on Aug 23, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A question for all of us Net fans who want to follow the Detroit model......
How many championships did the ‘Detroit’ model win?
Just saying……
In the NBA Superstars bring you championships….the question is “carmelo a superstar?”- Personally I think this Detroit model is garbage and the OKC model involves a Superstar so it is NOT the Detroit model. The OKC model means us either having a Superstar like Durant or going and getting one (i.e. CP3 or in some peoples opinion Melo)
Of course when we had discussions about CP3 there were many who didnt think we should trade for him either….but if you look at this analytically and not emotionally since the Magic/Bird era only 1 team won a Championship without a bona fide superstar- 1. Now why would we want to follow a model that has won 1x in 20+ years versus the other model (superstars). So at some point to win a championship you need a Superstar.
Is he on this roster today? Just asking…..
that is why i'm saying the pistons of 2004...
where there’s no superstar like KD, just a bunch of good players that when they’re together, plays good basketball. making each other very efficient and effective.. that’s chemistry and we are talking of chemistry here.. got the point?
Carmelo a superstar? yes he is.. (if you don’t know)
FOR your info, Detroit were 1988-1989 Nba Champions.. (if you dont know AGAIN..) For you to know.. so where’s 20+ yrs in that??
Ummm
The 1988-1989 had Isiah (HOF) so NO comparison to 2004 team. So Yes that means 1 out of the past 20+ years were built in that model. I guess that means that 99% of the others were built with a superstar model. Hmmmmmmmm
Chemistry…..ROFLMAO. Who cares if it doesnt win Championships. BTW, here are some guys who created chemistry….. Kobe, MJ, Michael, Bird, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq….should I continue? Superstars win Championships, not a bunch of good players. Unless you want to count 1 out of 20 as a trend.
Regarding Carmelo, I do think hes a Superstar, but lots of people on this site dont.
But there were also a bunch of "Superstar" players who never won..
Patrick Ewing, Malone/Stockton, Barkley, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Bernard King, Dirk, Nash, Kidd we could go on and on there too. In most cases those SUPERSTARS won on the team that drafted them. Only Shaq was obtained another way. Give the talent we have the chance and environment to blossom. Melo is the sexy pick but not exactly the most sound depending on what his cost is. Also if his heart is not with the Nets and he would rather be elsewhere and he doesn’t believe in the players or the vision I say NOOOOOOOOOOOO way.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
This Oklahoma City Of the
east will never happen becuase of becuase Proky wants a Elite Superstar that has Proven himself enough to make him into a Global Icon the guy won’t let King rest until he sees that guy in a Nets uniform he is Mark Cuban of the East.
hmmm,,
what about ewing, barkley, drexler, malone,payton, kidd,nash, etc.. and the likes of james, bosh, paul who are superstars in their own but still did not win championships.. does it mean they don’t create chemistry?? its just because they lack of something on their team… they also need his team to play better..because basketball is a team game..
superstars alone don’t win championships.. and they don’t necessarily win championships but i believe they have a big role in uplifting the team’s morale and motivating the team to win.. now that’s for the role of superstars…
hmmm,,
what about ewing, barkley, drexler, malone,payton, kidd,nash, etc.. and the likes of james, bosh, paul who are superstars in their own but still did not win championships.. does it mean they don’t create chemistry?? its just because they lack of something on their team… they also need his team to play better..because basketball is a team game..
superstars alone don’t win championships.. and they don’t necessarily win championships but i believe they have a big role in uplifting the team’s morale and motivating the team to win.. now that’s for the role of superstars…
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