Farmar: "When I'm In The Game, I'm In Control"
by Net Income on Aug 20, 2010 7:01 AM EDT
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PrintA supremely confident Jordan Farmar told an L.A. blogger Thursday that there'll be "plenty of opportunities" for he and Devin Harris to play together next season, adding "when I'm in the game, I'm in control", running the team, running the sets.
Farmar said he has had long talks with Avery Johnson about his role, starting with contract negotiations. "He assured me that I was the one he wanted to try to help restore the organization. He liked the fact that I’ve won, that I’m competitive and my skill set. Playing for him, who was a point guard and understands the game the way I do, will help me improve."
Meanwhile, another blogger takes a look at another point guard on the roster and thinks Terrence Williams should be on the "Don't Sleep on Me" list.
- Farmar Says He's Excited to be with Nets (with Video) - Joel Huerto - One Man Fast Break
- The Slept-on Files: Terrence Williams - Holly MacKenzie - Basketball Jones
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I Like confidence
But I hope this guy is also realistic. I hope he doesn’t thinks he’s goin to be the star of the team, and when it gets to a point in the season where his minutes dip I hopee he will just play his role.
I don't think you have to worry...
Even though Jordan stated that when “I’m in the game I’m in control,” we all know who will really be in control and that is Avery.
Gotta say this
all the new Nets—Outlaw, Petro, Farmar, Morrow, May and Murphy—have cited Avery in talking about their excitement in joining the team. Lot of talk about how he’s difficult to play for, etc., but you wouldn’t know that from the comments by the new guys.
also importants
players that want to be here
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
They haven't played for him yet.
As far as for the new signees.
PS. I love Avery Johnson and I can’t wait to see the discipline on the team.
We’ll see how happy Outlaw is when he’s getting 10 MPG behind Melo.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 20, 2010 9:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll be quite happy if that happens
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You control a players reaction's
farmar is a confident guy, if he believes and is set on a certain role, if that role is watered down you don’t know how he will react. I think with the lakers he knew what to expect ( they were also constant winners) but now he is on the Nets so I Dnt know what to expect
Here is another thing
His whole NBA career has been about winning. Sold out arena, Hollywood stars on the sidelines cheering you on, and Kobe Bryant.
How will he react to fans wearing paper bags on their heads? Brook, Devin and T-Will have seen bottom, so for them there is no where to go but up.
Jordan on the other hand has been on top the pinnacle of success and hasn’t had to face much adversity.
It will be interesting to see the mental toughness of the players this season.
People won't be wearing paper bags if we are winning
That much is guaranteed. You never saw that during the Kidd era.
He is def gonna get at least 20 min a game this season. I like that he has playoff experience also. I think people are sleeping on the kid too.
This team is ridiculous in terms of flexibility.
We have big lineups for teams like the celts and lakers, quick lineups for teams like the thunder and bulls and can create mismatches just like the warriors like to do. this is going to be one of the Nets franchise most interesting and most watched seasons.
Farmar seems like a really nice guy
im surprised…i think this team will have more chemistry. I think players will really like eachother and get along.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
"When I'm in the game, I'm in control"
No your not lol i put Twill and Devin both ahead of you in the whole “control of the game/running sets” although we havn’t really seen much of this from him in LA because the primary ball handlers were people like Lamar Odom so we might be suprised by what we get.
Farmar is a better PG than Williams
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
here goes the media
trying to stir things up with devin and jordan hopefully they are smart enough not to fall for it. its cleary obvious that the media is twisting his words.
he probably did say these things, but in different interviews, and now the media is combining both points to try and stir the pot between the two ….. they better all be in control….. when they are in the game !
The Slept-on Files
I seen the title and I thought oh!, this is a story about T-Will sleeping through practice or missing the bus because he overslept. Needless to say I was pleasantly surprised that it was a story about his ‘sleeping potential’ as a breakout player.’
Maybe with all this talk about sleep, we should call him T-Van Winkle :)
I like Jordan’s potential but am concerned about his lack of defense. If Phil Jackson could not get him to defend, I doubt Avery can. He is an athletic guy with above average quickness so it seems like he should be a better defender than he has been.
this is true for the whole team
the season hangs on the type of defense, both individual and coordinated, that we can show.
This isn't a battle between Harris + Farmar
It’s Farmar with total confidence in himself, and the guarantee from Avery that he’s not just going to be some substitute PG. I like that mentality, and I like the way Avery believes everybody on the team has to play an important role.
Farmar could be the starting PG too… should things with Denver pan out somehow.
"when I'm in the game, I'm in control"
That’s what I want to hear from my PG…We have a lot of interesting new talent on this team.
Should be fun to watch how things work out.
As for the positive T-Will article...
I love the fan who simply commented the following…
louisville_fan says:
God, I miss him…..
by M I K E on Aug 20, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Love it. Not only will Farmar open some eyes and have a big role on this team after feeling from point-guard jail (The Triangle), he’s also a Black-Jew. What more can you ask for?
Promoting a grenade-free America.
Yeah I saw them, I have a Star of David Tattoo too.
(I’m a black jew)
Promoting a grenade-free America.
by NBRITM on Aug 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct, he has "jewish roots"
but he is wearing yarmulkes and plans on starting to observe Jewish customs.
Are you Ethiopian NBRITM?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah. Half-white, half-black, dad (who’s black) converted to Judiasm well before he met my mother.
But, I’m a radical left-wing, communist, athiest so be careful.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
ooh a Commie
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 20, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Worse. He’s a sober Net fan.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
metaphorically, of course. Anyone who reads your posts knows you are not literally sober. :)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The point of the story
To me he’s just letting everyone know when he and Devin are on the floor at the same time he will be the PG and Devin will play SG. Simple as that.
by TheMann2 on Aug 20, 2010 10:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Imagine the second half of that quote was,
“When I’m not in the game I’m CRAAZY!”
Wow believe it or not
On Knicks Night Live last night, they all unanimously agreed that when all of this Melo stuff is said and done, Carmelo will be played in New York City – but that could be with the Knicks or the Nets.
Never thought I’d hear a vote of confidence for the Nets in this situation, or that they’d even refer to our team as a New York team (assuming they mean Brooklyn, but still).
Some Knicks fans are being realistic
they know damn well that we can offer a better deal for Melo.
They will be sick to their stomachs if we land him. SICK!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Little off topic... but what the heck...
Bleacher Report had a piece on that recent four team trade, with a side poll on what team did the best. 40% said the Nets followed by the Pacers with 27%…
We did well for this year...
and we needed to. We had a glaring hole that Murphy fills nicely, an excellent move if only for a year. However, the deal was a home run for the Pacers. Collison fills an even larger hole for them, and is a major talent who will cost next to nothing for years to come.
I’m not so crazy about Farmar’s expectations. He’s just not very good and I can’t see him helping us except in a more limited back-up role than what he apparently envisions. Hopefully I am wrong, but if Farmar ends up starting or even playing more than 20 minutes a night for us, we’re in deep trouble.
The TWill article is nice. The attached highlight film missed what I think was his best of last season—the flagrant foul at the end of an Atlanta game at the swamp. The Hawks were way up in garbage time and rubbing it in by pressing when TWill absolutely cleaned Mo Evans’s clock on a yet another fast break lay-up with seconds left. Didn’t do it in an angry way or to seriously hurt the guy, but it needed to be done and it showed that TWill cared. I was at the game and gave him a standing O. Pride and toughness are necessary elements in a winning culture.
by jabez on Aug 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This has been the best Nets offseason in years
and if we get what we want(Melo), the best Nets offseason EVER.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
since 2001
2001 the Nets added Kidd, Jefferson, MacCulloch, Collins and dumped Marbury.
Although in 2003, they re-signed Kidd.
btw jabez
rec’d. Great call on that T-Will play.
I want to see more of that. No lay ups this season. We don’t have to be dirty, but sometimes, clocks need to be cleaned out there.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll play grammar police...
“A supremely confident Jordan Farmar told an L.A. blogger Thursday that there’ll be ‘plenty of opportunities’ for he and Devin Harris to play together.” The object of the preposition “for” should be “him,” not “he,” as in “opportunities for Devin and him.to play together..” (him should come after Devin…). …I imagine there will be many such opportunities…
by MJa on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very funny but
you forgot to include NI. He actually has some standards and I thought he might appreciate a little tweaking….
There's something else here
and I think it’s significant. When you go out and sign (and trade for) players with athleticism and an ability to shoot the ball(!!), you wind up with flexibility.
Is there any Net right now who can only play one position? Maybe Brian Zoubek…that’s it. The resulting possibilities are one of the team’s unappreciated strengths. Yes, some players are better suited at one position over the other. Yes, some may think they can play better at a position than they think they can. Small ball will have a different feel than it did in the past and on the other side of the equation, the Net could field a very tall team with Lopez, Murphy, Outlaw, Williams and Harris.
by Net Income on Aug 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
our versatility will be one of the reasons why...
…we surprise a lot of folks.
Anyone picking this team to be dead last in the east is clearly an idiot or hasn’t taken a look at this roster.
Imagine a Favors/James/Outlaw/Morrow/Williams line up
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
When you go out and sign (and trade for) players with athleticism and an ability to shoot the ball(!!), you wind up with flexibility.
Is there any Net right now who can only play one position?
I see you are back to your “Farmar can play the 2 guard while TW is on the floor” theory. Farmar cannot guard the 2 guard, and as you can tell from the OP Farmar has been told he is a PG by role. He really isn’t a 2 guard in body, or skill set, or mind.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Or a lineup of...
MURPHY/FAVORS/JAMES/TWILL/FARMAR
Like Net Income says… the Nets have seemingly limitless options because of the versatility of most of the players…
Somebody please come up with our "worst players" lineup...
Any suggestions?
PETRO/MAY/ROSS/MORROW/FARMAR ?
Our worst lineup...
C: Zoubek
PF: Petro
SF: May
SG: Hump
PG: Favors
Joe.. thanks for screwing up my "joke"...
You should make it a liquid lunch and have somebody drive you home or better yet walk…
I think that makes sense
if T-will is on the floor he can guard the 2 and run the point on offense if needed
Farmar is not a spot up shooter (at best), he came here to be, and was told that he is going to be running the team when he is on the floor.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Just because he isn't a spot up shooter does not mean
he can’t play with T-Will. That would mean T-Will has zero chance to crack the starting line-up because he’s not a spot up shooter, hell most guys aren’t " spot up shooters at best". What Net Income is suggesting is a possibility.
Players are told many things, but if that line-up works out better it will be used. I Dnt care what Avery says right now, when he actually gets all 5 guys on the court at the sane time then I’m willing to listen
you guys are just playing fantasy basketball. Moving around abstract players, one of which you (apparently) have never seen play much. Hey, its off season, why not. But if you actually watched Farmar play much you would not be saying “Let’s put TW at the PG and Farmar at the SG”, just sayin.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
It's a possibility
Everyone has seen him play. He was in the playoffs for his whole career. Answer me this how many NBA games have u seen him play outside of the triangle? Yeah I thought that would be your answer. Fact is if T-Will and Farmar are on the floor together and T-Will is performing he will be the one dominating the ball
I watched him through his entire career at UCLA (I am a UCLA fan), and UCLA does not run the triangle. All the skills he exhibited were extremely non-triangle, he was a passing, created floor general.
Also, when Rambis was with the Lakers they ran a modified triangle when Farmar was coming off the bench to try to take advantage of his more open court, ball handling skills.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
can't wait to see him in action
People assume that Farmar sucks but as you pointed out, the offense that he was in was not suited for his skillset
a frickin shooting guard can play the point in the triangle if his handle is good enough to bring the ball up the floor.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How many NBA games PERIOD have you watched him play?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess enough said.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you accuse folks of playing fantasy basketball?
You? The fellow that tried to play the “how many mins will so and so play?” game, and used that as your evidence to declare that Williams was a 3rd or 4th string player?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The evidence I used was primarily the evidence given by Avery himself, and I have listed it many times. The “how many minutes” game was designed just for those fantasy basketball fans who were vaguely claiming that Lee, TW and AM were all going to play big minutes. It was a fantasy question for fantasy claims.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
i know
you just left yourself wide open, so I had to throw the jab :-)
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, here comes the right hook, knock out punch counter the jab.
Like when you and Net Income were musing together last week how much Ross was a “wild card” because of his three point shooting ! (not realizing that he had made an average of like 8 threes a year), just by reading an isolated % stat on basketball reference. Suddenly Ross was a three point threat that was really threatening to mix the rotation up. Bills and NI the Kings of fantasy basketball. That one had to be an all-timer.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Here you go again
…..with your lies. Seriously, I found it comical that you took offense to me calling you a liar on here, when you shouldn’t have because it’s the truth.
Everything that you wrote above is total exaggeration, which is the norm for you. What NI and I were talking about is Ross being able to come in during spot minutes, playing some tough defense(because that’s what he’s known for), and hopefully being able to hit a three or two, I believe I even said that if he can knock down 1 out of every three attempts I’d be fine with that, and if you want to get specific, I was also thinking about Ross in terms of the year he had in 08-09 when he sunk 33 out of 88 attempts from three, his most makes and attempts in one year. My vision for Ross is more a Trenton Hassel role, but hopefully more effective.
NO ONE called Ross a dead eye shooting threat, we were talking about him as being a useful utility player, to give us a bit of what we’re missing on the perimeter now that Lee is gone. When we talk about 3pt threats on here, specifically myself, I’m talking about guys like Morrow and Outlaw. How in the hell do you confuse me saying “if he can hit 1 out of every three attempts” with calling him “a three point threat that was really threatening to mix the rotation up”? Are you serious? But this is typical coming from you, one of the most goddamn intellectually dishonest people that post on this blog.
The only “all timers” being spewed around here is that crap you were kicking prior to Lee getting his behind shipped out of here is the nonsense about Williams being a “4th string player” and trying to play stupid minutes allocation games and trying to pass that off as evidence of your bogus opinions being correct.
Tell your corner man NBRITM to be a sweetheart and pick your mouth piece up off of the canvas and rinse it off for you.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is what you wrote
Saying we “need” Ross, and that he is a “wild card”. We NEED him? He is WILD CARD??? Come on now.
We need Ross
someone has to be the defensive dirty work guy on the perimeter. The fact that he can hit threes makes him an even better asset.
NO ONE called Ross a dead eye shooting threat, we were talking about him as being a useful utility player,
This is what Net Income wrote:
Ross is the wild card
he has quick feet, knows how to play defense and he too can shoot a bit from deep. Not great in any other offensive category: ball-handling, passing, rebounding.
How in the hell do you confuse me saying "if he can hit 1 out of every three attempts" with calling him "a three point threat that was really threatening to mix the rotation up"?
You only said this after someone who knew Ross well called the both of you out on the ridiculousness of calling Ross a 3 pt shooter.
Also, as I pointed out, there is some evidence statistically that Ross isn’t really even a very good defensive player either.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
someone has to be the defensive dirty work guy on the perimeter. The fact that he can hit threes makes him an even better asset.
Um yea, seeing that Williams and Morrow are not great defenders, we NEED someone that can come in play some defense, and hit a three or two.
You failed miserably in trying to spin the above quote into me calling Ross a three point threat
He can HIT threes. No one said that he’s a 3pt shooting champ, but he can step up and hit the shot. But keep reaching, as usual.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
the Clipper commentator seemed to feel that the Clippers were playing 4 of 5. If he is such a threat from 3 why didn’t he camp out and just rain 3s down?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, you are being intellectually dishonest
where did I say he was a “threat”? Saying he can make threes and being a “threat”, like Morrow or Outlaw, are two different things.
Carry on. Lets see what other garbage you’re going to pull out of your behind today.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not being dishonest at all. You were completely agreeing with NI
If you look at the context, where NI called him a “wild card” and this was due (in part) to his three point shooting. Own up to what the two of you were were going on about until someone familiar with him set you straight.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a “wild card” to me. Six year journey man wild card.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like...
…Cousins’ Rookie of the Month award for his play in summer league means something, while Terrence Williams’ ROTM award in April, during regular season play, means nothing.
Come on. Keep going.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
More dishonesty from you. I have only said that he “won” an award in summer league, so calling a reporter who tabbed him a “winner” in summer league an idiot makes no sense.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
dishonesty?
Hahaha
i didn’t make that up, and you know it.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What you made up was FORGETTING why I made the comment. You are the master of forgetting context.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The only "all timers" being spewed around here is that crap you were kicking prior to Lee getting his behind shipped out of here is the nonsense about Williams being a "4th string player" and trying to play stupid minutes allocation games and trying to pass that off as evidence of your bogus opinions being correct.
He was possibly a 4th string player before Lee was traded (which is to say that an argument could be made, given that Lee was projected as the starter, Morrow was being paid 4 mill, and Farmar was told that Harris would be playing SG). Things changed a great deal once Lee was traded, but the same dynamics are involved. How much is Harris going to be playing SG? When Harris plays SG is Farmar going to be the PG as was suggested to him? If Harris and Morrow are going to be getting significant time at SG how much time is there for TW. These are not “fantasy basketball” questions, these are obvious questions when thinking about how the talent is going to be played at SG.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahah
right
“Terrence Williams is a 3rd string, possibly 4th string SG”
lol
No matter how much you try to pass off your opinion as fact, you are failing miserably.
As myself and others have told you on here several time: You cannot use your opinion about a situation as fact.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I present arguments and evidence which others can
decide upon and judge. Others just make sweeping statements that you can only just cheer or boo.
But keep telling us how we need Ross to take minutes away from TW because TW can’t play defense. I am interested in this theory of yours.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahah
“evidence”
kv: the sky is purple
everyone else: how do you figure? Where is your proof?
kv: The proof is because I said it is purple. That’s all the proof you need.
LMAO
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
here you go with the extremes again
“situational defender”
“spot minutes”
now means that T-Will is going to be glued to the bench for Quinton Ross
hilarious. It’s always a pleasure to converse with your sir, I always end up laughing after one of our little arguments. Happy friday bro.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep talking about how much we NEED
someone to take TW’s minutes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
it makes you happy to hear it
since you hate him so much lol
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I like him more now than I did when we had Lee in front of him.
But now you are saying that there will be situations where we have to put TW on the bench, and also Harris and Morrow too. This is the “wild card” of the team at SG.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No, my evidence was
“Avery says x” and “Farmar said he was told y” This was called evidence.
As was: The team just spent 4 mlll on a guy who plays TW’s position, and does the one thing TW can’t do.
My opinion was only on how much weight to give to this evidence, but the evidence was what it was..
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
they spent 4 million on a guy to take Courtney Lee’s spot, not T-Will’s, which you were trying to imply for the bulk of the summer.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t know that at all. They very well could have signed Morrow to take TW’s spot, but nobody wanted him in trade for a PF.
The fact is we just don’t know.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
we read stuff on here about the Nets receiving calls about Williams, but no one wanted to trade for him. Dishonesty.
or maybe, the Nets knew that Lee was a quiet malcontent, since his agent requested a trade, and got rid of him and kept Williams because he showed a lot more promise than Lee ever did in the last two months of the season.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
we read stuff on here about the Nets receiving calls about Williams, but no one wanted to trade for him. Dishonesty.
Lets be honest. We heard ONE report, and that report was that more teams were calling for TW than anyone else. That could be 1 phone call vs.. ZERO phone calls.
But LOOK AT WHAT I SAID…
but nobody wanted him in trade for a PF.
What I said was that perhaps NOBODY wanted to trade TW for a POWER FORWARD. Hello?
It doesn’t matter if teams called about TW. We have no idea what the level of interest was, or even if King was “leaking” this to drive up his trade value. The key is we JUST DON’T KNOW.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I was also thinking about Ross in terms of the year he had in 08-09 when he sunk 33 out of 88 attempts from three, his most makes and attempts in one year.
Great point. The guy has a six year career:
First year: 4 attempts, 1 make
Second year: 7 attempts, 0 makes
Third year: 10 attempts, 2 makes
Fourth year: 21 attempts 9 makes
Fifth year: 88 attempts, 33 makes
Sixth year 21 attempts, 4 makes
WOW. We NEED THIS GUY, THIS GUY IS A WILDCARD!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
From the SB Nation clippers blog
Anecdotal:
And it’s pretty clear that MDsr is predisposed to this type of paradigm. The situation in 2006 with Corey Maggette and Quinton Ross was a horribly failed experiment in “start with defense, bring scoring off the bench.” If he chose to start Ross over Maggette then, it’s pretty obvious what he’s going to do now. Because Ross, for all his defensive chops, was a horribly limited offensive player who essentially doomed the Clippers to trying to score against an extra defender when he was on the floor.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
who said that Ross was a good offensive player?
Notice, when I talk about Ross, I mainly talk about his defense.
Keep trying, one day you’ll make it kid.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of you mentioned his offense (in particular his three point shooting) as a definite plus.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
right. Saying he can make threes means he’s some deadly offensive player, who’s going to shake up the rotation
This guy.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t me who said we “NEED” him, and calling him a “wild card” means that he could shake things up. That is what Wild Cards DO, by definition.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Le me go on record. We do not NEED Ross, we have enough flexibility at SG. And he is not a “wild card”, he is a journeyman.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
and he can play defense
which is why I said we need a guy like that, to come in play defense in spot minutes.
You exaggerate and you’re dishonest. That is the only thing that you’ve proven here today, and for that matter, ever.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep talking about how much we NEED Ross to take TW’s minutes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what...
…if you don’t think that the Nets can use a guy that can come in and play some situational defense and knock down a three here and there, I don’t know what to tell you other than your opinion is god awful. As usual.
Anything to draw attention for your stupid, laughable commentary about Terrence Williams bro. Keep going lol
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, the SG position is getting pretty crowded again.
So we have
Harris
Morrow
TW
AND NOW, we need Ross TOO
Ross
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what's silly about this guy
i actually agree that farmar would be the point guard on the floor with T-Will. I’m just saying it’s a possibility. But you kno this guy, he catches feelings
i actually agree that farmar would be the point guard on the floor with T-Will. I’m just saying it’s a possibility.
Sure its a possibility. Just like Petro at the PF is a possibility (despite never having played there), and Favors at the C is a possibility (despite being undersized and not showing much on the defensive end), and Outlaw at the PF (despite only playing PF in a quirky offense three years ago, and being 210 lbs). They are ALL possibilities, but remote ones. When someone mentions a possibility the next thing is to discuss its probability, and its worth.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Favors undersized?
and no one said that would be the starting line up or even the second option all I was saying was that it can be done.
Undersized for a center (as of now). He also has no “base” (nice biceps though) which is mandatory for post defense. First let’s see if he can guard NBA PFs before we start dreaming about him guarding NBA Centers.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol KV
Most NBA centers are a Joke. I have more worries about him defending the PF of the NBA who are more skilled then many of the Centers. Not strong enough and being undersized are 2 diff. Things
He’ll do great against Howard. Foul, foul, foul, foul, foul, bench.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Lmfaooooo that's your argument?
ur hilarious. You name the best center in the league.
Idk y I bother
I’ll name all the centers in the East that Favors would have a horrible time against either on the boards or in defending (he has shown no significant defensive skill). I’ll leave the West out because it just wouldn’t be fair.
Howard
Bogut
Perkins (kill him on the boards)
Amare (he will play center)
Dampier
Horford
McGee
Haslem (Favors hasn’t shown he can rebound)
The fact of the matter is as Net fans dream of him being a great defender, he simply is not a good defender yet. He lacks court awareness, does not box out solidly as an instinct, does not slide his feet well, and has no base physically.
I would much rather have Petro playing Center as a back up than Favors this year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I defended his size said nothing about his strength
or post defense. But anything to make you feel like u actually won a argument
Size refers of course to strength when you are talking about post defense. You are talking about “being able to bang” and whether you have a “base” (both anatomically, but also in technique) is a huge factor.
You don’t play defense by getting on a scale.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You said under sized right or wrong?
Just give up. He has the body to play center if he can or not was not the argument. Your ridiculous, your arguments are pointless
by nwkiddnj on Aug 20, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not giving up to a short sighted comment or objection. This is what I said, if would help if you read what you objected to:
Undersized for a center (as of now). He also has no "base" (nice biceps though) which is mandatory for post defense.
He is not an ideal size for a center (as of now). Good defensive centers with size are: Perkins weighs 280, Howard is 270, Bynum is 285. He does not have the kind of size that would make up for his lack of defensive skill. He is not going to be able to bang his way to some kind of success. The second sentence clarifies the weakness of the first. Yes, he has nice biceps, but his weight is also somewhat displaced, he lacks base, and therefore the size to defend the post against NBA centers. I could not have been more clear.
But if you want to go on dreaming how great Favors is as a defender, go right ahead.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Derrick Favors 6-10 250 Pounds
Joakim Noah, Camby, Gasol,Bogut
^ kids is heavier or as heavy as all of those guys with a longer wingspan.
Is he under sized? no.
Again you keep trying to make it seem like i said he is ready to play center. i said he is not undersized and i am right with out a doubt (you are wrong) so jst hand it up
Joakim Noah, Camby, Gasol,Bogut
All these people know how to move their feet. These guys are not “bangers” and do not have to be because they are solid defenders in principle. Favors is neither a banger nor a skilled defender.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, its outrageous.
More famous bangers in the NBA. Manute Bol, Shawn Bradley, and Reggie Miller.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
If only we had traded TWil for Bass
Bass is a banger.
You don’t play defense by getting on a scale.
What? Wait, you’re being serious? Na-uh, really? ****!
Best Regards,
Eddy Curry
Promoting a grenade-free America.
Expect a big turn around in his play, now that he figured this out. He has been trying to “out defend” everyone.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, perhaps it would be worth keeping in mind that what Avery told Farmar wasn’t just some sell job to get him to sign here and then to do whatever he wanted with him. Avery was a PG, and a certain kind of PG. He has a vision of the team, and what he tells his PGs is probably a big part of what his vision is.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
all i know
is that everyone of the new Nets have said nice things about Avery…they believe in him.
Murphy played with him, knows him; Petro says he chose the Nets in part because Avery believes in him; Outlaw said Avery has a record of helping players develop; Farmar said he and Avery had long discussions about his role; and Morrow said he is excited about playing with the Nets under their new coach, new owner.
Don’t underrated Avery.
Who would underrate Avery?
Best winning pct of all time and incredible record of developing players.
Kidd the coach killer is the reason he is not still in Dallas.
How’s Kidd done in Dallas come playoff time?
I don’t know why you feel that I am underrating Avery. I have repeatedly said he was the best man for the job. The only point I have been making is that the things he has told Farmar as a PG to a PG are things that should be taken seriously, and not as some kind of trick against Farmar. If Avery told Farmar he wants him to run the show when he is on the court I would be very surprised if he didn’t mean it. One of the things Avery has going for him is his authenticity and the trust he builds with players. He does not regularly tell them one thing and then do something else completely different.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I am always against SG playing the PG
like VC for the Nets and Latrell for the Knicks, but when you have a guy like TWill that is an oversized PG, I am ok with that.
Anyway if farmar can prove that he is a pass first PG then Twill should start and have Farmar play along side Morrow in the second unit.
Farmar should be the PG in that lineup.
He’s in control! He’s the boss! Oh, he’s black and Jewish too. Just like NBRITM and Amare. It’s neither here nor there, but an interesting tidbit none the less.
this.
harris would be SG in that lineup.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 20, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nenad Kristic pulls a Ron Artest
throws a chair in a brawl, lol! who would have thought of all people to mimic Artest like actions it would be him!?
Ron Artest hit the game winning shot, game 7 NBA Finals
Too bad Nenad can’t mimic that
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Or Courtney Lee in a game 2 for that matter.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He won them that series.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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