Nets Looking Forward to the Next Free Agency
by Net Income on Aug 2, 2010 7:42 AM EDT
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PrintIn an ideal world, the Nets would develop their young players, make the playoffs...and have $18 million in cap space to once again make a run at top free agents. That could change, of course, if a top player becomes available at the trade deadline or before.
So who'll be out there? The headliner, if he passes on Denver's $65 million offer, is Carmelo Anthony, but there are others. Yao Ming, Tony Parker and Andrei Kirilenko, who has given Mikhail Prokhorov advice on the NBA, will be available.
Art Garcia of NBA.com looks forward not just to 2011, but to 2012 when the Nets will be moving to Brooklyn and have to figure out what to pay their own Brook Lopez. He will command big bucks.
- Looking forward: Sizing up the future free agents - Art Garcia - NBA.com
- NBA's Top Potential 2011 Free Agents - Sports Illustrated
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Let's not do this again
chasing dreams will look crazy. Plus if we plan on chasing Melo what the heck was the purpose of signing Outlaw. Plus if Melo is a free agent book it he will be headed to NY
And if the Knicks suck?
Amare gets hurt and they don’t make the playoffs, is it still a no-brainer he goes to the Knicks?
And if he turns down $65 million going into the new CBA, LaLa should divorce him now…before it’s too late.
And what would Nets have to give up to get Melo before trade deadline, knowing that he might leave in 3 months?
If Nets can focus on improving team now, in order to get to playoffs and still have cap space available if they choose (I assume you include dumping Hump to get that cap space), then maybe they should go that route.
Getting an expiring PF such as Troy Murphy (if Indiana were ready to part with him) would satisfy that route.
Maybe taking an inexpensive rookie contract like Ilyasova would work, if Bucks were willing to give him up for picks?
But would Ilyasova take the Nets to the playoffs?
My guess is that Melo WILL accept that 65 million before Nuggets withdraw that generous offer. Melo won’t be able to hook up with CP3 afterall (Knicks don’t even have the Cap). Then what?
do
you ever say anything positive about the Knicks? If Melo leaves it is for NY. LaLa wants him to sign with the Knicks bc of her career……….Carmelo is dieing to go to NY. Your hate for the Knicks is obvious, but atleast praise them for the offseason they have had. Melo and Stat are best friends….. i didn’t see brook or devin have carmelo’s wedding….. did you??? face it ANTHONY TO NYK next year!!!!!!!!!!!
May I ask
why are you even here, if all you’re going to do is defend the Knicks?
This a Nets blog, so of course there’s gonna be some dislike towards them.
defend the Knicks
The Nix will need some defending after how far behind the Nets they are going to be this year.
Knicks are never going to Win more than 60 games even with another superstar there always going to fall short way short
D’antoni and Stoudamire blew there chances when they lost when they lost in the 05playoffs(60+ win season) and had Steve Nash Who is your Steve Nash Raymond Felton? Who is your Joe Johnson Wilson Chandler? Who is your Shawn Marion Anthony Randolph? Who is your Q-Rich Kalenna Azubuike? Who is your Healthy Stoudemire (80 games played 26.0ppg and 9.0 rpg) a Stoudemire with a messed up eye and bad Knees? Who is your Leandro Barbosa Toney Douglass LMAO the Knicks suck the only comparable from that team are Bill Walker to Jim Jackson Ronny Turiaf to Walter McCarty, Steven Hunter to Eddy Curry and Gallo to Bo Outlaw because he is not going to play much after T-Will breaks his ankles earl this year! Again LMAO KNICKS SUCK!
by JJ25 on Aug 2, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is a Nets blog
Why would you come here to read positivity about the Knicks?
Especially with the amount of crap that was said about the Nets over there on your blog.
I’m reporting you for trolling, because clearly you aren’t here to talk about Nets basketball. I’m tired of being warned while guys like you run wild around here starting nonsense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes an outstanding off season. Get rid of your all star PF for an overpaid injury prone PF. You lose your leading scorer and Duhon but add Felton. Yay, you really did have a tremendous off season. Dont be absurd, friendship means nothing in basketball. Its all about money and winning, neither of which the Knicks can do.
lol
david lee was an all star on a 29 win team. Any sane person knows Amar’e is substantially better on both sides of the ball.
Your leading scorer? HAHAHAHAH. Al Harrington? the chucker? where did that lead the knicks?
Again, anybody who knows basketball knows Felton is vastly superior to Duhon and also a way better fit for D’Antoni’s system.
Way to leave out Turiaf, Azubuike, and the acquisition of Anthony Randolph, who would have been a top 5 pick in this years draft.
Its all about money and winning, neither of which the Knicks can do.
What? The Knicks are the first or second most valuable franchise in the league every year. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
Also, stop chirping about how injury prone Amar’e is. The Nets offered big bucks to Boozer who’s missed 50 games in a season twice in his career. Amar’e had microfracture surgery early in his career, like Jason Kidd, and made the All-NBA first team the next year. five time all star. He got poked in the eye…now he wears goggles.
Any respectable media outlet ranks the Knicks off season amongst the top and the Nets near the bottom, so you have no argument here.
yeah
Carmelo would be absolutely stupid to do something like that
I don’t see him coming here via free agency and any trade we do for him will be risky. I don’t know…I want to definitely have 18 mil in cap space next summer but we really have to hope that Lopez and Williams take the next step upwards in their development and Derrick shows that he can be a legitimate force up front.
There will be no saviors imo. We have to rise up on our own feet and only THEN can we give players a reason to come here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Did Amare get injured last season?
people keep mentioning injuries but fail to realize he had a strong second half last season.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
well
The Knicks’ insurer refuses to cover the deal due to his knees. That should tell you a lot.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a say this
it seem like more people are trying to talk about Amare and his injuries but not focus on our starting point guard who has been worse than Amare and has been injury prone since 2007
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
little apples versus big oranges
Our PG has a propensity to get dinged up – his style of play and our team issues – that causes him to miss a few games a few times a season. He makes $9 million per year for the next three years.
Their PF has major underlying uninsurable structural injuries (knee and eye) that cause him to be one misstep away from the end of his career. He makes $20+ per year for the next 5 years.
Let me ask this again
how many games has Amare missed last season compared to Devin.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
What was the point of signing Outlaw
Unless your going to play this lineup
Lopez/Petro
Outlaw/Favors/Hump
Williams/James/Ross
Lee/Morrow
Harris/Farmar
If the nets don’t get a starting Power Forward this will be the lineup the starters are not garenteed Favors can easily take Outlaws spot if he has troulbe guarding bigger PF and Favors plays like ROY candidate. James could take T-Will hif he has trouble guarding bigger Small Forwards and James plays with Star potential and Morrow could easily take away C-lee
starting job if he is not knocking down shots.
^Everyone will have to play hard if they want a starting job/Keep the Starting Job.
You can also start different players depending on the Matchups.
This is the only way everyone is happy with minutes, but will have to compete for them.
outlaw as our starting power forward
is a recipe for getting our butts kicked inside the paint, the same way we have for the last couple of years.
Outlaw will be playing SF and PF in smaller line ups, i'd imagine
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
one more time
Avery Johnson said TWill is “definitely not a three” and he does not want to play Outlaw at the four.
Once again
someone mentions Avery’s unwavering words as if they are set in stone. But coaches would never make adjustments, so I guess you guys are right.
It's better to go off of what Avery says at this point...
…instead of just making wild assumptions about his rotation, playing intellectually dishonest games about who will play what amount of minutes, or who will be at the end of the bench.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's a fun fact (I believe)
the open market (no Bird Rights or rookie contract extension) free agent who has gotten the biggest contract ever from the Nets: Travis Outlaw, at $35 million.
Kidd and Carter got big extensions, and RJ, KVH, Kittles and Collins all got big deals off their rookie contracts, but in terms of a contract given to a free agent on the open market, $35 million is tops.
by Net Income on Aug 2, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is incredible!
How can you be overspending when $35 million is the most you have EVER shelled out?
we didn't overspend on anything
none of these deals signed, especially the ones that fans balked at(Outlaw and Petro), cripple us in any way.
Saying that we overpaid for either one is laughable IMO. So Outlaw gets 2 extra seasons. Big whoop. The guy is 25, can stretch the floor, and is deadly in the 4th. He will be a servicable player either as the starting 3 or off of the bench.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
darn near 15 mil in space available
the front office is working the cap beautifully.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Build thru Free Agency or the Draft?
These are the only 2 ways to build a championship caliber team in the NBA.
Nets are not a destination that FAs want to come to. Maybe 2 years into Brooklyn, we can be a destination, but not this year, not next year,
So, if we can sign a superstar FA the next 2 years, why don’t we try our luck finding one in the draft (at least against pin pong balls, we have a shot…). We need to spend the next 2 years with the 3-5 worst record. That means shooting for about 20-25 wins.
This is why I am so disgusted with Outlaw signing. What starting position would Outlaw play on our team? Is Outlaw starting PF? no. Is Outlaw our starting SF? No, well maybe for 3 months, but no. Outlaw’s specialty is 4th quarter clutch shooting. OK, fine, but he is best suited as a “missing piece” complementary player for a deep playoff team which we are clearly not position for the next 3-4 years. And its not like we got Outlaw for a reasonably cheap contract that’s a valuable trade chip.
Outlaw is a poorly judged FA signing because A) he does not suit the Nets team needs for the next 3 years, B) his contract is not that easily moveable. While his $35m contract won’t break our cap, it was a silly Thorn/Avery move that clearly showed a confused strategy.
Are you serious? You team to be like "Guys let's win 20-25 games this season so we could have a better guy from the draft be our leader!"
I want them to have a winning mentality and just play ball. Let them develop and see where we stand after taht.
What is your 5 year goal?
This current team, even after it develops in 3 years, is a 50 win, 2nd round team. If we are the Sixers or the Bobcats, then that would be fine.
But Proky wants a dynasty championship team in 5 years, and that means we need (another) superstar talent. We ain’t gonna get such a guy in FA. We need at least 1 (preferably 2) 1-5th pick lottery player.
50 win team
If you win 50 games in the east and are only a 2nd round team then there’s already a problem. Lottery players aren’t guaranteed to be superstars even with picks 1-5(see Beasley, Brown, Olowokandi, Okafor, etc.). So losing for the sake of a top draft pick isn’t really the perfect way to get it done either. No matter what, you need a little bit of luck, or a good friend in the NBA front office to get a superstar.
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Miami, Orlando, Chicago,
You are not getting past these 3 teams. And 50 wins within 3yr window is ceiling for our currently constructed team… so we are talking about 49 wins and below.
in a stacked western conference
that is not an indictment on Johnson in the slightest.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
wonderful, why?
spent yesterday the Columbian Day parade in Elizabeth, had a good time despite the rain
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Avery lost to GoldenState (Round2) and Hornets (Round1)
not exactly the cream of the “stacked” Western Conf
okay, he's a horrible coach
he lost a playoff series. You’ve convinced me bro.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Avery is not a horrible coach, though he was a very good but flawed coach
you seem to think he walks on water
that's your assumption, and it's wrong.
I already had a high opinion of him but I am wary of his control issues. So far though, knowing that he has had input into shaping the roster, I like where he is going with this and has shaped the team into a young, athletic roster with enough shooting to be able to play both half court and uptempo basketball.
You and some other folks though are ready to toss him under the bus before training camp even begins.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
you seem to think he walks on water
Prokhorov does, according to Ken Berger…
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/13638347/webers-decision-to-fire-gm-hurts-hornets-alienates-paul?tag=pageRow;pageContainer
“Avery is controlling the process,” a person familiar with the Nets’ organizational dynamics said. “He’s got the Russians loving him. They think he walks on water.”
Yeah they lost...in the West
Like I said 50 wins and a 2nd rd exit in the east is a problem. But once again, just because u lose games to get a top 1-5 pick doesn’t guarantee a superstar player. Ask Miami how their superstar Beasley turned out.
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lets play NBA history
In the past 10 years, how many superstar FA’s have jumped ship in the prime (or before the prime) of their career?
How many superstar FA’s were found in the draft? ALL OF THEM. And guess what, they stay with their teams at least 5 years.
You can only “get” superstars from the draft. And they don’t usually fall past the 5-6th selection.
So no superstar has been acquired via trade?
And how many superstars have come out of the 1-5 picks in that same 10 years? I’d bet it’s still not 100%. You’re still taking a big chance by losing games just to get a top pick.
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True, but is it enough of a chance to put your team through losing seasons on purpose?
If you develop a culture of losing are you then making the team ok with mentally accept losing? You may end up with a team that doesnt play as hard or intensely anymore, has no desire, and quits. If that happens you make the players you already have worse, and no superstar may be able to pull them out of their rut. Also, if the team keeps losing, then what happens when a guy like Brook Lopez bolts for the door for a chance to play on a winner instead of re-signing? Now you need another star to superstar player to replace the ones you lose or you’re back at square one.
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oklahoma
OKC wasn’t losing on purpose they just weren’t good enough to win games. There’s nothing wrong with competing and losing and coming away with high draft picks. What I’m getting from your posts is you want the Nets to lose on purpose there’s a big difference.
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no man, nobody is advocating losing on purpose
I want us to play hard as a young time. I don’t think we needed to sign guys like Travis Outlaw for $7m x 5 to win a few extra games or to backup the SF.
Ok then I misunderstood, my bad
I thought u meant losing on purpose for a high draft pick. Of course if we compete and just happen to lose and get a top pick, I couldn’t be mad at that
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have ever stopped to think....
That MAYBE someone on the roster besides Devin needs to make some money so that if we have a chance to make a deal we have some salary to move. Examples Melo, Granger)
We simply can’t have a team full of vets minimum and rookie contracts. There is a minimum which we barely meet now. Why do you think Minny gave Darko 5 for 20?
The NETS are coming!
they gave him that money
because they are crazy
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
which we have neither....
so you play to win the game. Please PLEASE stop with the aiming for draft. You guys are still riding the John Wall high….oh wait nevermind.
Proky also promised the Playoffs this year. The Championship promise was just a pipe dream to keep fans like yourself hoping.
The only way Nets would win a championship is if in 4 years, when LeBron may be available, is if he came to Nets (if Nets had cap space in 4 years).
I’d be happy with a 50 victory team. First they would have to make the playoffs, the way Chicago did last year.
tanking is not the answer
patience and prudent behavior > tanking
tanking does not guaruntee anything. If it did, we’d be all excited about our new stud PG, John Wall.
Again, we need to develop what we have and hopefully a light goes off in someone’s head.
And you never know what Damion James may become.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
its not tanking if you are developing talent from the lottery
look at Sac, nobody would accuse them of tanking the past 2 years, and they drafted quite well and I rather have that team than the Nets!
+10000
People act if they already know what everyone is. Someone will be a star here. Maybe even 2 or 3 them. Let’s give it room to happen. Few come in the League and DOMINATE from year 1. It’s a process.
I remember when a certain seldom used shooting guard was traded here years ago from Portland. Until his death that turned out pretty well. I think with Outlaw getting a starting spot here we will see the best of him. If he averages 17ppg his 7 mil a year price tag will look like money well spent. He is only 25. This will be the first year he starts for the season. Don’t you think he will be motivated to prove his naysayers wrong?
And all of the other guys are young as well. Brook, Favors, TWill, CLee, Morrow and James can be stars. By my count that’s 5 stars. We already have them. Now we need to allow them to Develop.
The NETS are coming!
if he does that is great
but the thing about outlaw this is guy who is and has been a bench player for majority of his career.
many people saw the signing as a sign of desperation for the Nets.
As they gave a starting spot and over paid for someone who has never been a starter and has been the sixth man for majority of his career.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
there are three ways
trade.
Most GM’s will tell you they prefer the trade route to gain value, then free agency , then the draft. Should be obvious why: in a trade you’re dealing with players under contract.
"only 2 ways to build a championship caliber team"
There’s also trading. Some teams would like to save money. some, get rid of player who isn’t fitting in in basketball sense or as a person in locker room – i.e., choking the head coach, etc. Some, tear down a team and go in a different direction. Some, get some T-Will like piece in return for a duplicate. With cap room and a gigantic pile of money, we are LIKELY to get some help from this third path…
Eh, at the moment we have 14 million left. After this season, we could have like 18 million in cap space.
The length of the contract hurts, but I don’t think it killed our cap space.
no he did not
do you even know the terms of his contract or how much money he is being paid?
This contract is NOTHING. 7 million is very manageable and MOVEABLE.
Signing a player for 35 million crippled our cap? Yet, we are looking like we might have 18 million in space next offseason.
The Outlaw signing is getting way too much flack. Some of you who are bashing it now will love Outlaw when he is stretching the floor for Lopez, Harris, and Williams. The dude is cold blooded and he will step up and defend.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
signing David Lee or Carlos Boozer
out of desperation would have crippled our cap.
Travis Outlaw? no.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this
exactly. The best, and smartest method.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Lessons from 2010 free agency
Players would rather not play in NJ if offered the same money elsewhere. So either we make a trade and sign the player to a long term deal or we keep developing our own talent. Not to say it’s impossible to sign a top teir free agent, but I think we learned not to put all of our eggs in that basket. I think the way we got Jason Kidd is our best shot.
that can change
the Nets lost 70 games and had just hired a new coach, didnt have a GM and Brooklyn was barely underway. It’s All Unproven could have been the motto.
or maybe it won't
the Nets have never been ever to sign a big free agent
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
If it makes u feel better...
The Knicks haven’t been able to sign a big time free agent either until they overpaid for Amare this year out of desperation. Even in order to get him they made an offer no other team would. So if the Knicks in the “Mecca” of basketball where “every player wants to play” can’t sign big time free agents, the Nets shouldn’t feel so bad. It’s funny how much ppl overrate NY, let alone the garden.
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How did Miami do it?
How did Boston do it? One ingredient is a possible ring. Another ingredient is a pile of moolah. It’s good if you have some good restaurants in your town. And 300 TV stations and 500 magazines.
Wade, LeBron, and Bosh were the first to do it. And they're getting hated on almost everywhere except in Miami.
Boston did it through trades by giving up their young talent like Al Jefferson.
Miami and Boston?
Both managed to get a roster with three stud players through backdoor deals, but to be fair, Boston gave up some decent talent to get KG and Allen despite the KG deal being an obvious wink wink deal between two old teammates
Miami was tampering through Dwyane Wade. Clearly obvious
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes the Knicks over pay for Amare
but at the same time they acquire a player who is proven.
All star, all nba player, rookie of the year etc etc. Plus his career numbers are great. many people are bringing up his injury history but has been healthy as of late.
Plus players like Chris Paul and other are now interested in the Knicks because of Amare.
I’m a Net fan but I don’t feel I need to crap on the Knicks to make me feel better especially right now they are getting better.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no one is "crapping" on the Knicks
we are just being honest.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
How
All I see is the mention of Amare knee but he was healthy last season. Then I see the same posters claiming Devin will be back to his all star status next season and this is a player who has battle injuries for the last three years.
how is that for hypocrisy ?? I may not be a Knicks fan but at the same time daddy did not raise a hypocrite.
At the end of the day the Knicks move work it gain interest from a player like Chris Paul. A player we tried to get is willing to come to the knicks.
When was the last time a super star player want to be traded to the Knicks????
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
…if the Knicks insurers refused to insure his deal, that means that his physical revealed things that alarmed them. I haven’t said anything him about him being injured, but between his eye and his knees, you don’t know what will happen.
I expect Devin to play better this year because he will have a coach that will hold him accountable. That means he has to play defense, and he has to be disciplined on offense. Also, with shooting on the roster now, teams cannot pack the paint against him so he will be able to get to the basket. As far as injuries are concerned, I am not sold on Devin playing anything more than 70 games this season at best, which is why I have said repeatedly on hear that the calls to dump T-Will are stupid when you have an injury prone PG.
I’m not being hypocritical, I’m being honest.
And the Knicks had interest from players regardless of Amare signing. The Knicks are always overhyped as playing in the “mecca” of basketball, yet they haven’t been to an NBA Finals since the lock out year and have been god awful for a decade.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wasn't just speaking to you
I’m speaking on people who feels the need to point out a player who was healthy all season and put up good numbers.
Even if the Knicks have been over hype but can you recall the last time a player of Chris Paul magnitude demanded to be traded and wanted to go to the Knicks?
Would that had happen with Amare.
As I said early these new superstars rather play with each other than compete against them.
So if the Knicks get CP3 or another big time player it was all worth it.
As I said about Devin I don’t think he is our answer at the point. Plus I doubt he will make the all star game due to rise of talent in the east in the guard position.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
New York is always a lore because the ownership has no problem throwing money away...
And because it’s a big market. Besides it’s all marketing. I remember LeBron waxing poetic about being a Knick. We all saw how that turned out. NY is always used by athletes to drive up their profile because of the New York Media.
To me the Knicks getting better will show in the win/loss column if they have improved. They have a more decorated player now but lost a top scorer in Harrington and a player who put up similar numbers to Amare in Lee. So I say just as with the rest of the League. WE WILL SEE…
The NETS are coming!
We will see
but many people are seeing the Knicks as a low seed playoff team.
The Knicks need gain alot too. They improved their team and turn David Lee in to Anthony Randolph and Ronny T.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
improved their team and turn David Lee in to Anthony Randolph and Ronny T.
much rather have lee than those other 2
PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS OUR CHOICE OF COACH! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF?
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Aug 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
our choice of coach has nothing to do with it
it’s the stigma of being a 12-70 team, PERIOD.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Players would rather not play in NJ
That can change – oh no, NI beat me to it again!
Headline for August 2nd, 2011 on NetsDaily reads. “Nets Looking Forward to Free Agent Class of 2012 and 2013”
ROFL
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
RE: the players listed
Yao is on his last legs. It seems unlikely Carmelo would take less money to play with the Nets unless we had another “star” to compliment him, which would likely eat up our cap space anyway. Parker…well, I guess, if only because his wife wants to be in NYC to bolster her career prospects. But is it that much of an upgrade from Harris? And Kirilenko, well, he’s not an $18 million player.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
AK is not an 18M player...
… he’s overpaid right now, but that’s not the kind of contract he’d be signed to next summer.
thank the Chinese government
…they wanted to work Yao like a mule with non stop year round basketball, now look at him. It’s a shame because Yao developed into a solid player.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The simple fact, if you want to win a championship, your probably going to need a stud. If you want to be a dynasty, you MUST have a stud. Melo is the only one left out there, and quite frankly, I am not going to get my hopes up into he goes out and says something like “I want to play for the Nets.”
The other guys? Yao? Parker? First off Yao doesn’t make sense, and he wont even leave Houston, they are too good a franchise. And Who in the world would ever want Tony Parker?
Yes Melo is going to be a free agent, but I don’t want to hear about it unless there is a solid chance, not just a dream.
this looks like Lebron all over
the Nets do not have any chances at these type of players.
We never been in the run for these type of players.
Lets continue on the path we are on. Even with Melo we would not be able to compete with the top four teams in the East. So lets be patient.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
yes killa
i co sign this
stay patient
stay smart
stay the course.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
IF we put together a good season, there is no reason why we cant be in contention for Melo. Stay the course has its up side, but the Nets brass should def be gunning for Carmelo Anthony.
Agreed Tim
I do think that we should make a play for him, but lets not get our hopes up about him.
But creating some buzz about the “Up and coming Young Nets” should be a priority. I think we will surprise a lot of folks, and players.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How do we know Favors isn't
the next big thing. He could be our Dwight Howard. If you pair him with Lopez and James we could be Portland in 2 years but we would have a ton of cap room.
Expect the Nets to Make a Mid-Season Deal
There will definitely be a team willing to trade a veteran impact player before the trade deadline this upcoming season. How do I know this? Because there ALWAYS is.
Chris Paul is clearly that guy, he wants out and everyone knows it. I’m not going to say the Nets are his top team but ultimately, New Orleans management has to do what is best for the Hornets. Sending Paul to the Nets makes sense for himself and New Orleans. Why? The Nets have a blossoming future, young pieces in place and financial and draft flexibility. New Orleans will get some good picks for Chris Paul and can get someone like Devin Harris to fill Paul’s void.
Granted, I write this now with a slim chance they can get Chris Paul. Yet, as the season rolls around and Paul potentially gets more frustrated with New Orleans, King, Marks and Co. should step in and make a serious push for Paul. It would be better if Thorn was still here because this is his specialty but let’s see what King can do.
Also, just wanted to mention that other posters above have mentioned Melo wants to go the Knicks. I disagree, I think he wants to go to New York, meaning the region. Let’s not forget, two years from now the Nets are in New York. Things will change for the Knicks, they overspent for Amare and will underachieve. They better hope that Anthony Randolph fulfills his potential otherwise it’s going to be a long season for them.
I would much rather have Carmelo then CP3. I feel like Devin is our best player like it or not, so if we can get an All star and still keep our best player its only going to help all that more.
yeah
i’d rather have a scoring stud on the perimeter like Anthony, not really interested in post meniscus Paul
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
New Orleans will get some good picks for Chris Paul and can get someone like Devin Harris to fill Paul’s void.
they already have Darren Collison.
No Guarantee that Collison is the PG of the Future
One good season will not take away from the seasons of success that Harris has had throughout his career.
It does not have to be Harris but he will be sent packing if Paul came I can guarantee that much.
by ZR on Aug 2, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
Collison looks like a young beast, Devin is pushing 30 and has a lot to prove this season.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
but at this point, the media has led people to believe that two seasons in Newark is akin to a 2 year stint in a south american gulag.
So until we actually move, folks aren’t looking at us as the “New York Nets”.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
that's all that matters to these players
these players rather play together than compete against their peers with exception of Durant. Which I don’t have a problem with but is the growing trend,
I see super stars or studs player not joining the Nets because their is not already an establish player there.
As much as people want to talk about Amare knee that didn’t concern Chris Paul. All he is concern about is the results and Amare has proven what numbers he is able to put up.
Superstars do not care about potential, and how this player may one day become this. They are impatient and want it now and want to win now. that’s it.
this will allow us to never be able to compete for these players
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 2, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's an indictment on the NBA's new culture
These guys don’t want to lead a team over the hump or prove who is the best between them.
The days of superstar vs. superstar clashes are over. This will ultimately kill the NBA IMO….the NBA since the Jordan days relied heavily on marketing individuals, now that these individuals want to play together, you’re going to have a glut of talent concentrated within a few teams and the rest of the league bottom feeding, killing interest countrywide.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not so much NBA culture, it is just culture period
Guys nowadays are afraid of being embarrassed or losing so they’d rather join up and save face by creating a stacked winner. True competition has gone out the window, now everything is about protecting their pride and egos. The NBA is gonna take a hit eventually anyway since it’s pretty much scripted and predictable. Once there’s megabucks and sponsors involved everything gets ruined. I miss the old NBA days when games were real and kept you interested.
by TheMann2 on Aug 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
great point bro
a culture of cowardice
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
New Blood vs New Blood
With that said, knowing ya can’t beat and ya can’t join em, you may have some teams that are aware of this new movement and may have some think tank in a room with the question," how do you stop them if you can?" Who’s gonna be the NBA team they talk about that give a megateam trouble? It can be done.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TopFreeAgents2011&action=login&appRedirect=http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story%3fcolumnist%3dford_chad%26page%3dTopFreeAgents2011
I don’t know if I can post the content of the article, even if it’s just a paragraph, so I won’t post it, but in that analysis of the 2011 Free agency Chad Ford recently wrote, he says, you can expect Prokhorov to make a serious push for AK.
as long as he comes cheap
no problems from me. We can use his defense, hustle, and shot blocking
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 2, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
AK's a 5 tool player
He can score, pass, rebound, block, and steal.
I wouldn’t mind having him for the right price.
by Richard Taylor on Aug 2, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather him go elsewhere… I really like all the players we have at the 3, it would be a shame for them to take a back seat to AK.
I suppose that could work. I would like to have a 4 with size behind Favors for security reasons. I wouldn’t mind seeing AK sub for Favors, but if something ever happens to Favors I don’t want to see AK as our starting 4, guarding the likes of Bosh, Gasol, etc.
Get Ersan ILYasova!!!
Seems like they are similar players but this kid will be cheaper and has less miles.
The NETS are coming!
he used to be a 5 tool player
he’s not very good anymore and he’s ALWAYS hurt
Free Agent Trends
I think we have seen and will continue to see the rich get richer and the poor (bad) teams not be able to attract the top free agents, no matter what price they are willing to pay. Most of this year’s free agents went to teams who can win. Yes, Amare and DLEE went to teams that way way overpaid for them. I wouldn’t insure Amare’s health with YOUR MONEY and David Lee is just not that good. The rest of the FAs went to teams who were in the playoffs last year. CP3 isn’t going to sign with a team that was below a third playoff seed, and neither is Carmelo. At some point, these players want a chance to win a championship.
Paul from Delray Beach
Next Season
I don’t think the Outlaw contract is an impediment, because he’s versatile and guaranteed to put up decent numbers with minutes. The guy can flat out score off the bench at a few positions, and there’s a value in that.
Smartest move would be to sign AK47 at a reasonable clip to be our bench 4 next year. Kirilenko always puts up better numbers at the 4, is still a prodigious shot blocker, and he’d transition well to Russian Brooklyn. You won’t find a better 20 minutes a night 4, and that’s what he’d be.
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If they really want Melo
1. Favors has to be good late in the season.
2. Trade Devin Harris for Tony Parker by the trade deadline or move Harris to open up room for Parker too. I think San Antonio might do a trade if they feel he isn’t going to return anyway. So SA goes younger and a bit cheaper with Harris. Parker may not be much better than Harris at this point going forward if at all , but his name and championship experience might attract Melo.
3. Denver/NJ do sign and trade next season – Melo -—— Oulaw + whatever SG they want (assuming T.Will) + 1st round draft pick if they have to. (assuming Nets are good enough this year to NOT be a top #3 pick again)
3. If Melo doesn’t come , and Parker skips town , they then draft the best available point guard and continue to stay young , grow , and have some cap space left over and try again the next year.
Possible team -
Tony Parker – Farmar
Lee/Morrow
Melo – D.James
Favors – ______
Lopez – Petro
Maybe that doesn’t bring a championship or close to one , but at least they tried. They’ll be a playoff team at least and sell a lot of tickets and jersey’s. We can have fun watching them get eliminated by the top teams. That wouldn’t be so terrible.
Cap Space Must Be Used by 2012 Trade Deadline
It seems clear that our most likely options for finding quality talent will be through trades from teams looking to clear cap space. We have proven that free agents will not choose to play here and lots of other teams are clearing cap space to sign free agents in the future, further complicating matters. Basically, we have a 1 and a half year window to make trades to improve our roster while adding salary. Once the 2011-2012 season ends we will be filling up our remaining cap space extending Brook Lopez. At that point, our team will only be able to be improved significantly through the draft and the mid-level exception. I am sure the Nets front office realizes this predicament and we will certainly see a major trade at some point. I really see us trying this year to make something happen,and hopefully it will happen, but ultimately I see us striking out again and relying on the following year’s trade deadline to make a “desperate” trade. I can’t help but think how different it would have been if we were moving to Brooklyn this fall. It is unfortunate that by the time we are ready to move to Brooklyn, we will not have any cap space to sign anybody. If only Newark were really more appealing. The only hope is that Newark really supports the team and Carmelo doesn’t see it as a one year in purgatory. Unfortunately, Newark is a pretty tough sell.
And Courtney Lee as well, most likely.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Aug 2, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd have to imagine
that part of the plan is to get all of these young doods on the floor and see who shakes out. the front office will then know who are keepers, who are busts, and who become viable trade assets for a star. the floor is the proving ground, and will make a lot of things much clearer
imagine something extremely witty here
The one thing about next offseason is that they will be selling Brooklyn to free agents.
This year it seems like Brooklyn is so far away and Newark is a tough sell. Next year there arena will hopefully be on target to open the 2012 season and free agent will feel like they would only be stuck in Newark for one year. This offseason the possibility of three years in Brooklyn would be a tough pill to swallow. That being said I think Newark will also be a great place to play this year and “one year in Newark” won’t be so tough to swallow either.
Let’s go NJ NETS
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