Mannix: 'Melo Open to Nets Deal
by Net Income on Aug 18, 2010 6:02 PM EDT
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PrintSports Illustrated's Chris Mannix reports Carmelo Anthony may prefer New York, but he's open to signing a multi-year deal with either the Nets or the Rockets.
"Multiple league sources familiar with his situation told SI.com that Anthony would also be open to signing a long-term deal with Houston or New Jersey should either of those teams offer the Nuggets an acceptable trade package, Mannix reported Wednesday afternoon. He added, "In Denver, there is no urgency to make a deal quickly."
There's been mostly silence on the Nets' side of the river about any of this. Billy King says he won't talk about it all, can't actually because of tampering concerns. Others in the front office will only say, "we have a lot of offer".
Will the Nets make a call? Of course. A Knick official admits their best chance would come in free agency because if there's open bidding for the 6'9" forward, at least 22 teams will call. The likelihood is a lot of them will offer better assets than Eddy Curry, Danilo Gallinari and a 2014 first rounder.
- Sources: Carmelo Anthony interested in Rockets, Nets via trade - Chris Mannix - Sports Illustrated
- Chris Mannix Interview (Audio) - Evan Roberts & Joe Benigno - WFAN
- Don't count out Nets in chase for Carmelo: report - New York Post
- Other teams are eyeing Carmelo Anthony - Royce Webb - CBS Sports
- Carmelo Anthony reportedly will not sign extension with Nuggets, prefers New York - Frank Isola and Stefan Bondy - New York Daily News
- Carmelo to the Nets: Make it happen! - Stefan Bondy - The InterNets
- N.Y. teams limited in offerings for Carmelo Anthony - Benjamin Hochman - Denver Post
- If Denver is willing, Bulls may compete for Anthony - Mike McGraw - Chicago Daily Herald
- NBA offseason: Where will Carmelo Anthony play in 2011-12? - ESPN
- Carmelo Knots Up His Own NBA Saga - Jason Gay - Wall Street Journal
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Melo Yello
I am sick of this. It smells like Lebrat-a-thon. What could he possibly be upset with. He has a solid, competitive team around him. They have built a nice club. Two years ago I thought they were better than the Lakers. Billups is a great PG to play with. Martin and Nene give 1000 percent. Anderson is a great teammate. What more does he want? To play with his buddy? Are these guys real or babies? Yes, he is a great player, but a winner? A great teammate? Let him go to the Knicks and have Amare make KMart and his injuries look like nothing but a sprained pinky.
by oman8 on Aug 18, 2010 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
He does have an excellent team around him
The Nuggets’ problem has been that their superstar is the 3rd most productive player on the team. Melo is the most overrated player in the NBA.
by calling all toasters on Aug 18, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
music to my ears. I loved the guy at Cuse and still think he really could be unstoppable (on the offensive end), but come on! great scorer, kind of a chucker, bad defensive player, doesn’t make teammates significantly better…what is going on here?
by SadNetsFan on Aug 18, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, I wish we were allowed to post insider articles from ESPN. If anyone gets the chance, read Tom Haberstroh’s “Carmelo Anthony is not an elite player” please.
or read this
Dave Berri’s work is open to all:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-berri/is-melo-max_b_676473.html
by calling all toasters on Aug 18, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
what a bunch of nonsense
Does whoever wrote that NYDN know what he’s talking about?
He mentions Lopez and Favors as pieces that could be enticing for Denver.
Lopez is untouchable, they won’t trade him, let alone for a guy who will be an UFA next summer.
As for Favors, if they wouldn’t want to trade him for Paul, somebody better explain to me how are they gonna trade him for Melo, who is a worse player and has one year less left in his contract.
Also, don’t forget that, while talking about Chris Paul, Kerber (BY FAR the most reliable Nets beatwriter) said the Nets were concerned about the fact that CP3 would become a free agent in two years and that would be a major sticking point:
Paul’s free agency in two years plus Net reluctance to part with rookie Derrick Favors would be just two major sticking points from the New Jersey perspective.
Now please explain to me how Melo becoming an unrestricted free agent next summer wouldn’t be a sticking point too here.
And no, he wouldn’t sign an extension, point blank. He wants to go to NY or Orlando according to Berger. He wants to go to the Knicks according to Broussard.
Bottom line is nobody is stupid enouh to give up on assets for a guy who could land elsewhere in a year.
Melo, not the Nuggets has all the leverage here. Because nobody would give up anything as long as Melo doesn’t commit long term with them. So basically Melo will choose what team he will be traded to. It won’t be the Nets.
We need to get over this “star” fever/ obsession. Melo isn’t even a guy who will put your team over the top. We’re building the right way.
Two points
the first one is critical.
1) The Ken Berger story about New York and Orlando said they were at the top of his list but he could be willing to go elsewhere. NO ONE has reported that his choices are limited to New York and Orlando. In fact, the original Chris Broussard story said his main objective was to get out of Denver because he doesn’t believe they will be a contender in three years. These are business decisions, subject to negotiations.
2) Stars win championships. Go-to guys win championships. Anthony is one of the 10 best players in the NBA. More importantly, the Nets NEED to establish themselves as players, NEED to establish themselves in New York and Mikhail Prokhorov NEEDS to make that big splash.
The Nets will make a bid for ’Melo. And if that fails, they will go for the next superstar.
well, you know we are not one of his preferred destinations
Magic and Knicks are.
And are or will the Nets more of a contender than the Nuggets in the next couple of seasons?
You still didn’t address my point about Kerber saying Paul’s free agency in 2 years was a major sticking point for the Nets. Wouldn’t Melo becoming a free agent next summer be one too? With more reason.
Melo won’t lead you to a championship. He’s not that kind of player, point blank. Let alone in ONE year, which is all the time he’d spend here if we were dumb enough to trade for him. I’m sure Prokhorov isn’t concerned about looking like a complete fool if he trades for Melo and then he signs with the Knicks next summer, huh?
I do NOT know that
which is the point of my post. Nor do you. Re-read it. Again, these are business negotiations. I don’t know what your experience is with negotiating, but this is the beginning of the process.
Similarly, there would be negotiations on whether he would stay.
As for Melo not leading a team to a championship, he is one of two active NBA players with an NCAA championship (which he won almost singlehandedly) and an Olympic gold medal (where he was a key component). You have him confused with LeBron James and Chris Bosh.
again
Kerber (again, by far the most realibable beat writer we have) said Paul becoming a free agent in TWO years would be a major sticking point for the Nets. So you can say Melo becoming an unrestricted FA next summer would too. It’s common sense.
As for Melo not leading a team to a championship, he is one of two active NBA players with an NCAA championship (which he won almost singlehandedly) and an Olympic gold medal (where he was a key component). You have him confused with LeBron James and Chris Bosh.
This has little if anything to do with his ability to lead an NBA team to a championship.
Christian Laetner
was a proven winner, too, then.
Melo is not a guy who has proved that he can lead your team to a title IN THE NBA.
Lots of guys led their college teams to titles. NBA All Star who played for team USA won the gold medal. So what? It has nothing to with their NBA careers.
Laetner was a stiff - try to keep to realistic comparisons
Under the who has actually led abeam to an NBA title, you would have to accept there are only a few coaches and a couple of players who could deliver. This is of course wrong. You need the right player in the right position. Even Kobe needed to get Gasol. and Boson needed all the big three.
I do not think Melo is Kobe, Duncan or Wade. I do think he is the best player on a championship team. And there are only about ten guys in the NBA who might fit this description and when they become available you chase them hard. We can not blow up our core – defeats the purpose of getting the final big piece – but go hard if we want to build a dynasty!
Wanna talk about realistic comparisons?
please tell how winning an NCAA championship or the Olympic Gold Medal with the best team in the World against not that great competition has anything to do with your ability to lead an NBA team to a title.
Melo is a stud, but he is not a guy who could put our team over the top. He has never put any NBA team over the top, that’s the bottom line.
Who has put an NBA team over the top?
Shaquille, Duncan, Kobe, wade, KG. Any more still playing? and Shaq, Kobe and Wade have all subsequently been on bad teams. are you telling me only these guys will ever lead a team to a title?
Those guys have proven they can lead their teams to a championship. Do you think Melo is that kind opf player? Do you think that if you replace Kobe for him the Lakers would have won back2back titles? Do you?
Do you believe that if you put Melo on the Cavs they would be championship contenders and would win 60+ games?
It’s not like Melo has had crappy supporting casts at all. Please.
and again
I think Melo’s a stud. But don’t try to tell we need to sell the farm on him bc he would give us a chance at a championship, bc I cannot envision that.
I’m not bashing him. But some of you are overrating him if you think he can elad you to a championship. He could win a playoff series until they traded for Chauncey. He helped Denver BIG TIME to rebound from a series of terrible years, which is remarkable, but let’s not act as if he can win you a championship.
you are not reading my comment
I clearly stated that Melo is not Kobe or Dumcan or wade. I clearly states that we should not blow up our core to get Melo.
Perhap you have not had enough coffee or perhaps you have had to much.
by Jay-dub on Aug 18, 2010 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's simple
Either the Nuggets trade him to a team he will sign an extension with and they will receive about what they want or they will trade him to a team and receive minimal compensation if he doesn’t sign an extension. As far as the Nets, we already have two front court players who are average defenders. You add Melo and we have 3 with a project and possibly no future. Our need is to win while maintaining our flexibility. We don’t want to be the Knicks, desperate and impatient.
Um no
If we have a chance to get Carmelo friggin Anthony, I don’t care how average the defense is. That is a player you can build an entire team around.
http://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/21445899086
No doubt Melo wants to go to NYK. No doubt. In last year of his deal, he’s got good leverage too.
Imagine we lose assets for him, and then he bolts to the Knicks next summer. Could you imagine Prokho’s face? He is not stupid and I’m sure he would not want to look like a complete fool.
That will not happen.
You are getting unnecessary excited about something that is not going to happen. He comes with an extension or at a price cheap enough (picks and trash) that we are willing to take the risk he stays.
Idk what makes people believe he would sign an extension. He wants to go to the Knicks.
Net Income has been talking about “raking risks” and how Prokho is a risk taker. I have been pointing out to things like Kerber’s report about Paul to back up my belief that I don’t think they’d trade for him knowing he could sign with another team next summer.
There are 65 million reasons to sign an extension - in fact more if the new team agrees to go longer .
Plus a scary CBA deal on the horizon. Melo is smart enough to know by pressing the exit button now he can have his cake and eat it to.
then
why doesn’t he re-up with the Nuggets? Money’s not the main issue here. He will only sign an extension with the team he wants to go to.
It is the issue that is pushing the decision.
Otherwise he just waits – he has the power and he is deciding to put himself in play.
He doesn't want to play for Denver
If they trade him for another great player (like a Harris) + assets, that team will want the deal only with a signed extension.
If he doesn’t want to sign any extension, then teams will be offering very minimal players, cash and draft picks, with the hope he resigns in the offseason, but knowing that if he doesn’t, they haven’t hurt the franchise.
It’s pretty simple.
Correct
Melo has the power and he is using it – good for him as long as he is honest about it unlike “those who shall not be named”.
by Jay-dub on Aug 18, 2010 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually I think Carmelo has less power than people perceive
Because in the end, he stands to lose millions and millions of dollars if he waits until free agency.
He knows his best financial future is a S+T, and Denver will be looking for the best possible deal to do that with.
Carmelo has some leverage here because he can walk away at the end of this, but that could be a very poor financial career choice.
the point is that it is his choice.
no one ever has all the power – but in the balance he is in a very powerful position starting with a guarateed $65 mil as a worst case scenario.
by Jay-dub on Aug 18, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's in a power position as a great player
But in terms of wanting to be traded, and to a specific team, he loses a lot of power.
He doesn’t want to play for Denver
And that’s my point. What makes you think he wants to play for the Nets? All we’ve read is that Orlando and NY are atop of the list of his preferred destinations. He seems to want to go to the Knicks badly.
I was pointing out to that when Jay-dub said money could be a reason why he could want to re-sign with us.
I did not say money was the reason he would resign with us.
I said money was why he was making himself available on the market now.
by Jay-dub on Aug 18, 2010 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are reading speculation
And an over-hype by NY media. Don’t forget during the Lebronathon how everyone thought he was going there. He was never going there (or here).
This is a business, and people do things (like leaking “information” to the press) to generate buzz for their players. Everyone is talking about Melo right now, which is probably exactly what these people want.
But he has little control right now if he wants to go to another team. He can either agree with a S+T that Denver feels is good, or wait it out and lose millions of dollars by doing so.
Just don’t see that as all that powerful.
Nets FANS, on the other hand, won’t shut up about Melo!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 7:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
andres has it right again
Melo has all the leverage.
He can opt out and go to the team of his choice.
It would be stupid for the Nets to trade for him just to see him go to the Knicks in the off season.
As Andres said you know Proky would take a huge blow if that happen.
The Nets should stay away from this. We are good where we are right now.
He is going to the team of his choice one way or another.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Can we pleeeeease wait and see how good our team is before we start making trades for egomaniacs with no rings?? We have just FOUR players from last season and are paying 7 mil a year for Outlaw who may just blow up as our starting SF. Let’s see what we got
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 7:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
agreed
why bother and think about selling the farm on a guy who want to play for the knicks? let’s focus on what we have. I thought we should have learned our lesson after all this 2010 free agency drama. It’s pie in the sky over and over again.
BSPN and NY’s speculative media need something to talk about. Some weeks ago it was all about CP3, not Melo, who’s next?
We won 12 games last year
We have NO superstar. Every team that wins a championship has a go-to guy that hits big shots. Even Paul Pierce at Boston fits this mold perfectly.
If you have a shot at Carmelo, you go for it.
100%
The 12 win team from last year doesn’t exist anymore. “it’s all new” except for Brook, TWill, Hump, Devin, one assistant coach, and mini-sly. Otherwise the entire team is different. How do you know we need Anthony, and that Outlaw won’t blow up? And we signed him to be the starting SF. I think it was a good signing. MOST of the “experts” put it top 5 of the worst signings of the summer. If we trade for Melo, He’s gonna play 35-40 MPG. That leaves Outlaw getting 7 mil a year for about 8-10 MPG, which would make it a terrible signing and an immovable contract.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
I don’t know why people, Nets fans especially, keep talking about this team as if this is the same mess that was paraded in front of us by Ratner and Thorn last season.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
dynasty - the objective is a dynasty
going from 12 wins to 40 is not the goal
by Jay-dub on Aug 18, 2010 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is NOT NBA 2k10...
You’re not going to get a “dynasty” in the first season of a team that was only built this summer. Even if you add Melo in this, we’re not going from 12 wins to 65. We have a very young team that needs to build chemistry with each other, AND with their new coach, who will probably need to shake some rust off after spending a few years in the broadcasting booth.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You can build a championship team around Carmelo
I strongly disagree.
And again, I’m not bashing him. There are few players you can really build a championship team around.
You can disagree
But what is an absolute fact, is that there isn’t a player on our team you can build a championship around. Including Future Favors.
then we keep building
but to get melo just to see him walk away would be crazy. we would be worse than the 12-70 team.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously give it a rest already
You keep talking about him walking away. We would never ever ever ever ever ever do a trade where we give up valuable pieces for him without a S+T done.
EVER.
by eLonepb on Aug 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
there isn’t a player on our team you can build a championship around
I agree. I didn’t say otherwise. But Melo isn’t that kind of player either and gutting our team for him wouldn’t be the answer. I’d rather try to see what we have with some of our kids. Look, I’m not even a big fan of Favors, but Avery looks completely sold on him. He even thinks Derrick could turn into a Dwight Howard with a better touch. I’m not saying I agree with that (I don’t indeed), but you never know, let’s hope for the Nets sake AJ is right. We’ll see.
Thank you!
I’d rec the if I wasn’t doing this on my phone for the past hour now… My boss keeps shooting me death stares… Carmelo Anthony is gonna get ms fired if I keep this up…
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if you add Melo to this current roster
we’d easily be a 45-50 win team, regardless of Favors’ development
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying I don't want Melo...
All I’m saying is, this is very similar to the CP3 debate. Unless a team offers Denver way too much for Melo (which sounds like a very Nets-thing to do), they might not make a move before the season starts. Much like NO with Paul. There’s time to see our team on a court before we dismantle it. That’s all I wanna see. And Melo may score in bunches, but he’s not the be all, end all superstar you all think he is. See the amount of NBA championship rings on his hand for reference.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
And give Favors 2 years, and now we’re a championship contender (if he pans out), plus we move to new stadium in Brooklyn playing for a sold out arena.
Melo is a guy you can build this dynasty around. Not saying we’ll get him, but I’d do anything to get him. Twill, Harris…. and maybe just maybe Lopez.
Here comes the attacks though for saying that :)
This is what I'm arguing about here...
There is no point jumping the gun and giving away more than he’s worth before the season even starts. You think trading away all that will make us a better team as long as Melo is on the team??
Farmer
Morrow
MELO!!!
Favors
….Petro?
These are starting to sound like Knicks fan style delusions…
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
DUH......
I did not say melo makes us a dynasty on day one. We need a stud. Hope it’s Lopez or favors. Or Go out and get one when he becomes available – without defeating the purpose by blowing up your team. I do not think Proky and Avery are hope kindof guys.
by Jay-dub on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Terrible signins + immovable contracts
You have Carmelo Anthony in your starting lineup. You live with it.
Live with it like Denver's living with it??
Their team plus Melo is similar to ours with Melo, and they haven’t won a championship yet. What makes you think our squad plus Melo would? He’s a go-to scorer, yes, but so was Vince in his prime. Doesn’t equate to rings.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 10:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rings are never a guarantee
What you do guarantee is a gigantic spike in ticket sales, jersey sales, a sold out arena nightly in Brooklyn, and playoffs every single year.
Sure sounds like something Proky might be interested in.
Yea, you're right...
At least we agree on one thing… The measure of a successful basketball team is jersey sales, not championships. I’m afraid Yormark may have you brainwashed!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
egomaniac?
at what point has carmelo ever shown signs of being an egomaniac? when he carried my boys from cuse to the NCAA title? no.
when he won olympic gold? no.
the guys plays in the western conference which annually puts out better teams than the eastern conference. his competition is much higher out there, and he is forced to play with a couple guys that i’m sure he’d rather not (JR smith, even K-Mart). i think he’s more humble and grounded than people are giving him credit for here. he is not Lebron. You won’t see him taking laps around crowded sports arena’s with LaLa so that people can say, “hey look at that guy” like bosh did.
at some point during every season he’s been in the league, save his first two seasons maybe, melo has been mentioned in MVP discussions.
The hating on this kid in here is unreal
I understand the bad taste left over from the Lebron situation, but there probably isn’t a single player on this team I wouldn’t trade for Melo.
Live in Albany, ran into someone who dated a walk on at Syracuse when he was on the team
Supposedly, he was cool when he played there and then came back to get his ring a year later and was such a jerk the rest of the team wouldn’t even hang out with him that night…. Also, supposedly someone slugged him in one of the bars on that night. Interesting stuff.
Carmelo looks like a jerk
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Hell's yeah
Now if only I didn’t use a cell with a PA area code, I could really get excited.
@ Andres
Prokhorov is a business man first and foremost. I would not be surprised to see him shell out Favors and Harris for Anthony (and whatever other pieces, such as draft picks). Anthony is exactly the markee pick-up/coup that Prokhorov needs in order to make a name for his franchise that it is a major player in the NBA. I’m not saying I personally agree with giving up Favors et. al. for Anthony — I’m saying I would not be surprised AT ALL if Prokhorov simply looks at Favors as collatoral damage on the way to obtaining a superstar whose name looks good on the markee. Right now, Prokhorov doesn’t really have a player who can sell. Bottom-line: Anthony is such a player. It is what it is — a business.
Having said all that, I repeat what I’ve written in the past, if we acquire Anthony, I’m not at all worried he would bolt for the Knicks. Call it a hunch. The would be no incentive to do so. Anthony would already be in NY, could get more money from us in salary and international revenue, … many other reasons. That is the least of my concerns. My concern is actually one of yours — that Anthony is not the type of player who can lead a team to the promised land. So I’m afraid Prokhorov might have the urge to gut the team due to business reasons — which is very Ratner-esque.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Clarification
Anthony is a very very good player, but he will not win us a championship if we have to gut the team to get him. So I don’t know if he’s “worth” acquiring — unless his “worth” is measured in terms of salesmanship i.e. business reasons. And don’t discredit that. That’s what I’m saying. It remains to be seen where Prokhorov’s loyalties lie.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
You should clarify
“In your opinion” he won’t win us a championship.
You know what will also not win us a championship (FACT) is our current roster.
I agree with Tom in the sense...
….that gutting the team to get Anthony makes little sense because at the end of the day that will basically put Anthony in the same situation that he’s in now.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Prokhorov is a business man first and foremost. I would not be surprised to see him shell out Favors and Harris for Anthony (and whatever other pieces, such as draft picks). Anthony is exactly the markee pick-up/coup that Prokhorov needs in order to make a name for his franchise that it is a major player in the NBA
And don’t you think he wouldn’t want to look like an absolute fool if he traded pieces like that and then Melo goes to NY? I know you said you are not concerned about that, but it’s something that should worry him.
And again, re-read Kerber’s report about Chris Paul. Him becoming a UFA in TTWO years was a major sticking point from the Nets point of view. Melo will be a UFA next summer, there’s even more reason to think that would be an even bigger sticking point for the Nets, don’t’ya think so?
And Paul (who I’m not a fan of) is a better player than melo. And he has one more year left in his contract.
Yet they a) didn’t want to give up on Favors for him; and b) they were worried about his free agency in two years.
You do the math.
Anthony would already be in NY, could get more money from us in salary and international revenue, … many other reasons.
Yet we don’t hear the Nets are atop of his preferred destinations- unlike the Knicks.
I'll do what's commonplace these days
blame the media…the NY biased media.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
"it’s something that should worry him"
I don’t think anything worries Prokhorov. He doesn’t look like the dishevelled, nervous, worrier type. I think he is confident in every decision he makes.
Myself, I would go after Anthony if he either gave us an extension garauntee or if we didn’t have to gut the team to get him.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Yup exactly
And I think most teams feel that way. And if Jay-Z (or someone) can convince him that we are the team of the future in this area, and he agrees to sign the extension – how do you NOT go for it?
If he doesn’t want to sign an extension with Denver or any team, then let him go play for NY next year for millions of dollars less after the new CBA.
The one advantage NY has here
Is they can offer their 2014 pick + Curry + Galinari without any concern about whether or not he’ll sign an extension or not.
Without knowing he’ll stay, other teams may not have that much to offer.
correct in one sense:
The Knicks possibly have the inkling that he’ll stay through backdoor communication with Anthony’s camp, so they can afford to give up Gallo, Curry’s deal, etc and not worry.
If I’m denver, I make them put Randolph and their 2014 and 2015 picks on the table as well. Knicks can just say screw you and walk away knowing that they have an advantage come the offseason. Denver is screwed either way you put it. Sucks for them.
No other team in the NBA has that luxury that NY has right now. Personally I think that there is some type of tampering going on here, possibly involving Isiah Thomas, but that’s just my tin foil hat wearing side talking.
David Stern’s league is looking like an absolute joke right now with the way business is being handled here. IMO the shady dealings really began with the wink wink deals for Garnett and Gasol going to BOS and LAL, even though in hindsight those trades turned out to be fair deals.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
so right dollar
the league has players doing the tampering.
I mean both Paul and Melo want to be Knicks by the start of the season???
So everyone saying the toast didn’t happen what you have to say now.
As you said before Dollar everyone wants to play with there buddy
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
A 'Melo trade would probably look something like this..
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5669497
and would also probably need to include a couple 1st and a couple 2nd round picks..
On the one hand, a frontcourt made up of Lopez/Favors/Anthony could rival any in the league..
On the other hand, I don’t really think 3 for 9 player deals are particularly wise..
Proky wants his superstar, however, so we shall see..
@andres
melo isn’t a superstar?
r u serious he is a top 10 player in the league n u say he isn’t a superstar.
I think Kobe is the only true superstar right now...
The other so call superstars seem to have the need to play together in order to win.
UMMM Kobe Played with
Shaq in his prime (3 rings) and Gasol (2 rings) And was coached by Phil Jackson. That counts for alot as well.
Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Durant, Melo, CP3, D-Will, Howard, Drik and Duncan.
That is your tier 1 superstar list right now. Though Duncan’s #s dont wow you he is still a winner and a leader on a Dynasty.
Some people here make it seem as though players from this list are often available in thier primes. Not so much. So when you have the chance to get one you go hard.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Outlaw can't be traded until the 15th of December.
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 18, 2010 10:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
andres is killing this
He is right on the money.
Other people are seeing this short sighted and hoping for the best. This is not the media cooking things up. These three buddies want to play together similar to wade bosh and lebron.
The point is Melo one way or another will be on the team of his choice.
As Andres said the worst thing that can happen the nets give up pieces to get him just to see him sign with the Knicks.
That would be a flat out embarrassment. I have no interest in becoming the cavs or the raptors.
Let’s be patient and smart and we will become a team that will still beat the
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No, not true
The Nets are not trading any worthwhile pieces for Carmelo without an extension signed. Won’t happen.
This
is very true if he signed the extension King will give up anyone except Favors and Lopez.
Don't know
If I would include Favors in that statment. As much as I don’t want to see us trade him away, I could see King sending Favors to Denver if we could land an extended carmelo.
According to Kerber, they wouldn’t trade Favors for Paul, who is a better player and has two years left. What makes you think they’d trade him for Melo.
And again, Melo wouldn’t sign an extension with the Nets
Paul's knee
They wouldn’t trade Favors for a guy with major injury questions, but they probably would deal him for a guy like Melo who is only 26 and has no injury problems.
I agree, I’m also concerned about Paul’s health, but he’s also younger than Anthony, and a better player. I don’t think the Nets would trade Favors for him. At all.
We could easily look back on it 3 years from now and go
Good thing we held onto Favors, hes a stud…OR we could go, wow we probably should have dealt him for Carmelo..
It’s a tough situation.
Pure speculation is all this talk about us trying to trade for him.
New York and Orlando are atop of his list of preferred destinations. As usual, you won’t find Nets name in those lists.
Andres is righht
if he won’t sign an extension for a team like denver why would he for the Nets. He wants to be a knick or magic. end of story. he will be too one way or another.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Huge IF here
IF Carmelo decides to risk his entire financial future on playing with the Knicks, then yes you are correct.
If making sure he secures those finances, and just wants a change out of Denver, then he has little control here.
if that was his number 1 concern
he would have re-signed with the Nuggets, don’t you think so?
Melo has all the leverage. Nobody is offering Denver nothing unless they know Melo would stay long term.
No not true
Because he can do a sign and trade. Maybe he’s hoping Denver will do it to the Knicks or the Magic. Maybe he just wants a change to a big market, or a top team in the NBA.
So he can still get his 65 million, but he won’t have power over where Denver can ship him if that’s the case.
The one controlling the millions of dollars is Denver, which gives them the control in this.
Unless of course Melo doesn’t care about money and just wants to be in NY.
bingo
he is willing to wait till off season and just leave
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he has already said he is not worried about the extension
if he was he would have sign it but he knows he can leave denver in the summer.
Denver can trade him but who will want to rent a player for a couple months.
Melo has all the power. either trade him to team he wants or he will sign there later
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely wrong and not thinking this through
But I can’t spell it out for you again.
It’s money. Denver controls the money. Period.
Melo doesn't seem that concerned
Is money really that important? Look at Miami’s superfriends. They took less money in order to play together.
Taking less money is different
Than having a new contract under the new CBA. We’re not talking about a few million here and there.
well
lets put it like this what is melo actions showing you? does he look worried bout money? hahahahahah
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who does the agent work for
hahaaahhaaahaha melo isn’t worried
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is the bottom line
If we are in a position to acquire an EXTENDED Melo, we should give up anything but Lopez or a Favors+Harris to get it done.
If Denver asks for Favors, 2 #1’s, and Twill..I think we have to do it. Melo is a top 10 player in this league and one of the perks that comes from stock piling draft picks is the ability to deal them in situations where stars become available..we need to take advantage of this.
for an EXTENDED Carmelo...
…you have to think about it. I don’t include Favors or Lopez in any deal because it defeats the purpose of what we’re trying to do here.
Basically my take on this whole matter is….I think that we are all wasting our time talking about this. Carmelo is not coming here, we are at a huge disadvantage and gutting our team for him would be foolish if he isn’t signing an extension before the trade goes down. Those of you talking about taking a risk….no. I am all for calculated risks. This is not a calculated risk, it’s plain stupidity to trade anything for him if he even has a chance to bolt. Some of you are ready to jump out of the window over a name without considering the consequences. I don’t trust Anthony. A guy who would walk away from 60 bills on the table already has a plan in place and we have not one shred of evidence that indicates he’d consider us.
Paul, Stoudemire, and Anthony have all talked and without question there has been backdoor tampering done by NY to get this done…don’t believe this hype about “the mecca” and all of this crap, if that was the case Wade, James, and Bosh would have went there…they didn’t give a CRAP about the Knicks, or us for that matter. It is what it is, I can’t hate on them for doing so because this is what David Stern has allowed his league to become.
I say we sit back, and be patient. He’s not worth potentially setting ourselves back another 2 years in a kneejerk deal. No one is.
This is the reality of the situation on the ground folks:
a)we are going to have to build from within.
b)we are going to have to be patient and wait for another star to become available where it would be in our best interests to trade for him
c)a championship in 5 years is way too optimistic now with the way the ’08 Olympians have conspired with the Heat and the Knicks behind the scenes to form “superteams”.
That’s it. It may hurt to read that but that’s what it is.
Instead of drooling over stars that couldn’t get talented teams over the hump, lets worry about our own group of young talent and hopefully a light goes off in someone’s head. Otherwise, we don’t have much other than patience, assets, and the hope that the front office can make prudent decisions when the time comes.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
dollar gets a standing ovation
very well said
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
awesome points
Especially:
Instead of drooling over stars that couldn’t get talented teams over the hump, lets worry about our own group of young talent and hopefully a light goes off in someone’s head.
Anyone who keeps talking about the 1 year rental
Needs to stop talking about it immediately. It’s not even in the conversation. It’s like talking about the WNBA.
The Nets would never do that. This conversation is only about S+T. Period.
melo if traded to the knicks will not sign the extension
this is not about money but being where he wants to be. one way or another will happen
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
if this was 100% about money
Melo would have taken that deal.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he has to AGREE to the S&T to a team he wants
The only person that has leverage here is Carmelo Anthony. Period.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if he doesn't agree? Then what?
Think it through.
He plays out the final year of his contract and potentially loses millions of dollars?
no matter what its not going 2 b on carmelo if he gets traded
denver just wants somthing back they dnt care if he signs an extension or not because he’s not going 2 stay there
he has thrown the gauntlet on the table
he is DARING Denver to call his bluff. That is someone who already knows what he’s going to do and he’s forcing everyone else to react. he is saying “I have money already to last me the rest of my life. I want to play where I want to play. So either trade me there with my extension and get something in return, or ignore my demands and get screwed come July 2011 when I walk out of here without even so much as a goodbye. Your choice. lol!”
This kid may be a lot of things, but he’s not stupid.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he's not stupid
He’ll take the maximum money he can get, AND play for a different team, through a S+T.
the team that HE CHOOSES
Otherwise, he will walk
If you think he’ll sign a deal so he can get traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves, you are FOOLING yourself.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It will always be about the money
He’ll get the extension, and it’ll be with either Denver or a team Denver trades him to if they think the deal is right.
it will be the team
That Carmelo TELLS them to trade him too
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
then he waits till the off season and leaves
melo has already said he is not concern about the money the cba or a lockout.
he will do what’s best for him and his family which is very similar to what lebron said when he was a free agent
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
What lebron did...
He went to a team that can win – he did not go to the Mecca as he always suggested he would.
He went to a state with no state tax so he neutralized the lower contract value.
He worked a sign and trade to get the extra year because of the impending CBA negotiations.
What Lebron did was about winning and money.
I agreeq
the thing is, do you HONESTLY believe that Carmelo would agree to a S&T to the Nets?
I damn sure don’t, which is why I’m spitting all over this conversation.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly. I said this already. When there were rumors about the Nets trying to get him a couple of years ago, his agent called that BS and didnt look excited about the idea at all. He looked bothered.
The Knicks is where he wants to go, and like killa said one way or another that’s where he’ll end up unless he’s traded to another team that is atop of his list of preferred destinations and that is an actual contender already (Orlando).
exactly
These guys want the rings and half the workload, so they’d rather collaborate behind the scenes to get on the same teams as each other, and already had to a contender.
We aren’t in any position to deal with this kind of garbage, sadly. We’re the Nets.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
We have to assume he would when making trade scenarios
What I want to stop hearing about is the 1-year rental. Obviously we wouldn’t do that.
and we obviously aren't going to S&T for him either
lets not even kid ourselves.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ill say
this…
it is very fishy why ray felton is only signed for 2 years…. the same year paul is a fa and williams.
enjoy it man
Just don’t troll us, because you’re going to get flagged.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
how
was that trolling. i was agreeing with your point about the whole tampering in nba wtf.
I don't think he was saying
that your post was trolling, but you have a tendancy to try and have a legit argument, and then morph right into troll mode.
no
I’m saying, I’m starting to see what is going on and I’m happy for you and your team, just don’t come on here rubbing it in our faces or you’ll get flagged repeatedly and hopefully banned from posting here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Recs when i get home from work.
Very well said.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Basketball is about to become baseball
Thank god that Goodell wants to extend the NFL season to 18 games. At least that’s a league that for the most part is run correctly and every team has an equal chance to compete if they conduct themselves in a smart manner. I think in the future, i’ll prefer to spend my money on the NFL and the NY Giants’ product moreso than the NBA and the Nets. No offense to Prokhorov, who I think has done a decent job so far as owner despite this summer’s disappointment with not landing Lebron, but this product(The NBA, not the Nets) has become a joke and if the playing field is not even, I’m going to lose interest. I do not want to even feel 1/10th of what fans of the Kansas City Royals feel as they go into each season knowing that their team will never win and cannot keep their players past their initial deals, or knowing that their team is nothing more than a bootleg farm system for one of the “big boys” to come in and raid their talent. There is no way IMO that New Orleans, Cleveland, Toronto, and now Denver should be destroyed in the way they have or are about too. This stuff did not happen in the league back in the day…I mean parity was not really alive in the NBA which has had it’s share of dynasties but this will take it into a territory that David Stern, if he was a clever man(and i think he is…perhaps too clever), would not want. You load the East with superteams, imagine how devastating that will be…for us. For the smaller market teams.
The NBA, you have questionable, possibly corrupt officiating and now backdoor deals between teams and players on other rosters by using other players as the middlemen. This is a disgrace.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+100
It’s a shame… Having these superteams is going to do nothing but alienate fans of the other 28 teams in the league and not bring in new fans, which the league needs now that most of the teams are losing money. Why should anybody care about the Raptors, Grizzlies, bobcats, Jazz, T’Wolves, etc, if they’re just stepping stones to the inevitable super team show down every year?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it will be as said before melo isn't worried about it
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
please so me dollar and everyone who disagree with you is knicks fans
move on with that bs.
grow up
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
money matters
but not as much as you think, if not, that extension would have been signed weeks ago.
He is not hard up for cash. He will play Denver into trading him where he wants, and he knows full well that no team is going to trade anything for him unless he agrees to an S&T.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
money matters
but not as much as you think, if not, that extension would have been signed weeks ago.
this…
Also… look at Miami’s big three… they took less money. Melo knows what he’s doing.
Why?
Why does it have to be signed weeks ago for money to matter?
Why not sign it tomorrow?
Why not push for a sign & trade and then make the SAME amount of money playing for a different team?
What I CAN’T see him doing is just giving it all up and making a ton less after the new CBA.
you don't get it then
if money was the key he would stay with Denver.
an already proven playoff team and stay at home but when he says he willing to join the Knicks a team that is not a playoff team as Dollar said he is worried about something else.
comfort and playing with his comrades.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
uh
the Knicks are definitley a playoff team this year.
thanks for your two cents, ol buddy ol pal
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if he was money hungry
and desperate for the cash, he would not turn down that kind of deal in the face of the CBA or make demands.
He is trying to have his cake and eat it too. And he will
and then the only ones left eating cake will be Denver, and their fans.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Dollar if they don't get it now
they will get it when it happens just don’t bother.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
How is he turning it down?
He can make that SAME money in a sign and trade? He’s exploring his options.
He’s not turning down money. It appears he wants to leave Denver, and he wants to make that money in a sign + trade.
Pretty simple stuff.
oh please
you have shown that you can not debate and since you can not debate with me or have nothing to strengthen your argument you say I am a Knicks fan but as I have said many times since the murphy move we are a playoff team and are on the right track.
how about you grow up and learn to debate and instead of resulting to name calling when you can’t say anything else.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
you the one who
because I don’t agree with you I am a Knick fan as I said grow up.hahahaha
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
yea the other was Netincome
hahahahahahh try harder.
So what makes me a Knick fan
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The same “Melo” who destroyed Lebron and the cavs just one season ago AND hitting a game winning shot in Lebron’s face is not a player to build a team around!?
Some of you guys are INSANE if you believe that. Melo is a top 5 player in this league and for anybody to put Gasol and all these other “Star” players in his category just has something personal against him no questions asked. You can’t compare a star to a superstar people. GET REAL!
The same Melo who never got out of the 1st rd until they got him Billups. Melo is not a top 5 player. Not even close. And I said he is not a player to build a CHAMPIONSHIP team around. Not really a knock on him. or the 1000000th, there are very few players like that, and Melo isn’t one of them.
I’m not even a fan of Gasol, but he helped the Lakers become a championship team again. Maybe, Melo could have that impact if he’s ever traded to a team with a true superstar in place that lacks that final piece. But he is not the guy who will lead his team to the title. He’s been around enough time to know it.
I understand what you’re saying. But like you said about Gasol and the Lakers proves my point. When Shaq left and there was only Kobe the Lakers barely made it to the play-offs period until they got Gasol. That doesn’t mean Kobe’s not a franchise player because they were getting eliminated 1st round he didn’t have help.
Melo has help in Denver but it’s the same situation like Lebron and the Cavs he had players but just gave up on them. You put Melo in a line-up with Harris, Lopez, and a future Favors we have an championship team. Any player who averages 28 + points a game since his rookie season and been in the league for about 8 years now and is STILL YOUNG that’s a top 5 player hands down.
Mikee...
… I see your point. BUT difference is Kobe showed he can lead his team to a championship and is an MVP. Melo isn’t even an MVP type of player. As for those years when the Lakers barely made the playoffs after trading Shaq (and before they traded for Pau) you cannot ask him (nor anyone) to win a championship with a team like the one they had those years. they used to start garbage like Kwame Brown, Luke Walton and Smush Parker. He had little support other than Odom…
Let’s say you put Melo in Kobe’s place. Do you think the Lakers would have won back2back titles? I don’t.
Let’s say you put Melo on the Cavs. Do you think they win 60+ wins and contend for a title like they did with LeBron? I cannot see that.
If anything, I believe Melo could have a Gasol type of impact.
Just my opinion, tho.
Melo
Melo’s situation was not like LeBron’s. None of the Cavs players are even decent without LeBron there. Clevelands “2nd best” player was mo Williams, whom no one cared about as he was nothing but a chucker in Milwaukee. Denver had solid players in Billups(world champ), Martin, Nene, and Camby. If Carmelo couldn’t win with those guys then I have to agree he is Not a guy you can build a champion around. Carmelo could def be the #2 guy on a champ squad, but he’s proven with a team with elite talents he can’t get it done. Lebron and bums didn’t work, Kobe and bums didn’t work, but Carmelos and elites didn’t work, that’s very different.
by TheMann2 on Aug 18, 2010 12:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He's not top 5
He is top 10.
Bryant
LeBron
Wade
Durant
Howard
I disagree with some people — I think Paul is a better player when healthy simply because PG is a more important position than SF. That’s why Howard, even if he isn’t pound-for-pound as “great” as some guys in the league, he’s still more valuable than them simply because he is more unique and plays a more valuable position.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
That top 5 is in no particular order, btw
before you guys jump all over me :0)
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
i agree
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I also assume that
we would have to give up Harris to get Anthony as insurance for Billups leaving Denver and so forth. So we’d have Farmar as out starting PG. I think Farmar could be a serviceable starting PG, but let’s be honest, we would need a better one to win a championship. So we would then be in the hunt for an upgrade at PG… It never ends.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
So I guess here's my trade proposal
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2349cy7
don’t know if I’d do this without an extension…but I think Prokhorov would.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
throw in 2 first rounders
and if that’s not good enough, then tell Anthony to give us an extension and we can up the ante, I guess (Favors). I dont’ know. Harrummmph.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
that was a waste of your time
he’s not coming here Thomas. I’d love for it to be true, but lets be realistic.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
how many times melo before billups
got his team out the first round
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
the whole nuggets team is over and melo knows that. this is y he wants 2 leave
carmelo has a player option
billups has a 14mil team option. is he worth it in his mid 30s?
jr smiths contract is over
kmarts is over
nene has a player option that only an idiot would decline.
so they would probably have 1or2 of their starters coming back. and i do know that jr is their 6th man but he plays majority of the sg min.
I think the best bet would be to add Melo to what we got instead of gutting our team to get him. I would much rather play out the season then try to sign him at the end of the season.
I came. I conquered. I fell asleep.
agreed
if he’s interested in the Nets (which I doubt anyways), let’s wait until he becomes a free agent
Lala already said on the radio
she supports him in any decision he makes so its not about the money but where he wants to play
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
ummmmm litsen to the radio
hahahahaha
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If that's where you get your basketball knowledge from
It’s a no wonder you are unable to construct a reasonable and logical argument here.
no
stay on topic.
hahahaha you said you were glad i have knowledge about his family and that knowledge was said by his wife on the radio.
again nice try.
just wave a white flag
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I know because you keep backing yourself in a corner
and when you have no rebuttal you respond as a child.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
he's the one holding Denver hostage
So he makes the demands.
Whether Denver wants to rebuff his demands and end up with a bunch of dead hostages(read: being left with nothing in return), they’ll comply as best as they feasibly can.
It’s basically…does Denver want to let him walk without getting anything in return to start their rebuilding effort? It’s either S&T him to the team of his choosing(since no one outside of NY will take him as an expiring), or you go through the season with a lame duck, possibly malcontent, Carmelo Anthony taking a dump all over your franchise like Lebron James did to Cleveland, and then being left with nothing. That would be an absolute disaster for Denver.
I think that Denver will have his helicopter and duffle bag filled with unmarked bills ready for him by the end of this month.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
No the situation is
Does CARMELO really want to walk away and leave all lose millions of dollars in the new CBA?
That’s his choice. So he can either stay with the Nuggets and get his 65 million, or he can do a S+T to another team and get his 65 million, or he can say he’ll just play through the contract and make significantly less with the new CBA.
yep that's what he said he is not concern with
see the thing is you can’t fathom someone walking away from all that money so it makes no sense to you but as many have said melo is not worried bout the money as much as he is worried about playing for a team of his choice.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
he is forcing Denver to CALL HIS BLUFF eLonepb
I’m sure he wants the money, but only through an S&T to the team he wants to go to. So he put the ball in Denver’s court and forced them to make a choice..and no matter what decision they make, it will be painful for them.
It does not benefit Denver to call his bluff because they will get screwed.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
And if Denver calls his bluff?
Then Carmelo gets screwed.
The one with the money is always in control here.
how does he get screwed?
If he turned down Denver’s extension, then he is probably financially secure enough to risk losing that money to get what he wants and he can walk.
Denver has no leverage dude. Sorry.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver
If I’m Denver I call Carmelo’s bluff. Withdraw the extension from the table and force him to play this year and sign for whatever he can get next summer(much less than 65M/3yrs). I know ppl will say it’s crazy and no GM would do that, but think about this…what does Denver really stand to gain anyway? They will most likely get middle to late 1st rd draft picks (which prob won’t amount to much anyway), as any team with Carmelo is a playoff team, except if the trade partner is the Knicks(in that case they get draft picks when Jesus comes back). Denver will get a decent to MAYBE good player or 2, no one will give up anything great for Carmelo because that defeats the purpose of acquiring him. Maybe Denver gets cap space, but Carmelo coming off the books creates that anyway. So all in all Denver really has nothing to lose by letting Carmelo walk. They’re gonna be rebuilding regardless and what they will get isn’t gonna make it that much faster anyway.
by TheMann2 on Aug 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if denver wants to be spiteful, sure. They can do that. It will be a nightmare of a season for them because the fans will turn against Melo and you don’t know what kind of effort or behavior you will get from Melo, who could become a malcontent if his demands aren’t met.
I agree that they are about to hit rock bottom either way
but getting something is better than nothing.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey that's Melo's choice
Again, he’s not in the driver’s seat. They can ship him off to Milwaukee for a few picks if the Bucks want him for a year rental.
Then Melo gets screwed with the new CBA, but at least he can play for the Knicks,
Denver runs this because they have the money.
I want to be on record as saying
HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!
LEBRON-GATE ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!
Unless Melo says – I WANT TO BE A NET!!!!!!,
PLEASE
Lets MOVE ON!!!!!!
We have TWill, Favors, and Lopez to look forward to. If Harris can play like a REAL PG, we can add him to the group. Then we have other young guys like Morrow, James, and even Zoubek too.
Outlaw has much to prove this year. And Petro should be hilarious this year!!!
LET THE SUPERSTAR ENVY GO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
I agree but it seems fans and players and management now believe you need a “superstar” in order to compete in the NBA, and not just one, but two or three. Stern must put his foot down or the league will become a joke.
Imagine we are back in the 1980's...
and Bird, Jordan and Magic decide they want to play for the same team. After people got off the floor laughing they would put a stop to it pronto. Stern is either losing his grip or deep down he thinks it’s a good idea. Hard to imagine he sees benefits coming from all this crap.
Stern has lot control, clearly
The whole Lebron fiasco was a black eye on the NBA and he had no control over it
It will produce ratings and revenue, sure, but he should realize that the NBA is in danger of going down a slippery slope with all of this behind the scenes crap going on
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
"LOST CONTROL"
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine if
Kane and the Undertaker got back together as a Tag Team. The WWE would have no answer for them. They would have to fight against 3 or 4 or 5 different wrestlers. Clearly Vince McMahon isnt an idiot. That would look too fake.
Ooops! Wrong forum!!!
lol
The NBA might as well start calling itself sports entertainment if this keeps up.
Might as well contract about 12 teams from the league since these sissy boys don’t want to work hard to win a title.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
makes me respect
Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Dominique, etc a lot more than I already did because at least they tried and kept the spirit of competition alive.
You make another super team or two and this league is finished.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the NBA can become like the old Roller Derby...
I used to watch on Saturday mornings when it seemed you got to watch the New York Chiefs vs. San Francisco Bay Bombers every week. I think they had a 4 team league,
hahah might as well
since these babies don’t want to kick each other’s butts
What a bunch of cowards, the whole lot of them. Larry Bird would have spit in Michael Jordan’s face if he had to, just to win.
Sadly, this is the results of my generation…no one wants to sacrifice, work hard, and compete…we just want instant gratification and the easy way out.
For us adults not blessed with height and the ability to touch the top of the backboard, we learn early that life doesn’t work that way. For some of these coddled, pampered poo poo panty wearing children who have been catered to from the time they got signed up for AAU ball, that’s not the case.
“WAAAH! I WANT MY TITLE! I WANT TO PWAY WIF MY FRIENDS!! WAAAH!! I’M LEAVING!! SCREW YOU!! I’M GOING TO QUIT ON MY TEAM!! WAAAH! WAAAAAAH!!”
It’s not surprising that Lebron quit on Cleveland. Things got too hard for him.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
if the Nets were thinking about trading for Melo, they would have passed on Murphy, don’t you think so? By taking his contract, they lost the main asset they could have offered: outright cap space >>>>>>>>>>>> expiring contracts. Esp since Denver is a luxury tax team. That cap space would have given us a tremendous advantage in any negotiation and they renounced it.
I can't really say anything more that Dollar and Andres hasn't said
The Nets are a playoff team without Melo and do not need to do anything drastic we are on the right road.
I’m all for letting Melo going to the Knicks and seeing the grass is not always green on the other side
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
I agree...
We will be known as the anti-superstar team. Rooting for these prima donnas is what being a Knicks fan is all about. I rather get enjoyment over the long haul. Build a young team and watch it grow instead of buying one over the counter.
ayye
its not all melo dreams as a knick fan. Lots of us want our own homegrown kids to play and grow into the quality players we think they can become. Melo is very good..but has inefficiencies on D and statistically takes a lot of shots to get the ppg he has.
Melo holds all the cards here tho.. teams wont sell the farm to get this one yr rental. UNLESS he agrees to do a sign and trade to a team of interest. This seems to be another leconathon. ESPN and co are all being ignored at this point.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
by semsemma on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what homegrown kids?
You guys are willing to gut your team to fill your roster with Anthony, Stoudemire, and some d league minimum players and have traded away all of your draft picks, and are dangling the 2014 pick now.
You can bet that your team is going to sell the farm because they know full well that he’ll resign with them.
Whether if that’s what you, the fans, truly want, is another story, but listening to NY radio this morning some of you guys would sell your mothers into slavery for Carmelo at this point.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We traded for Jason Kidd
Are you saying we shouldn’t have traded for him? We should’ve just let our young guys grow?
When you can get a superstar – you DO IT.
Jason Kidd had two years left on his deal
not only that, but we traded away a piece of garbage for him.
Two TOTALLY different situations bro. You cannot compare this to that. If Anthony had two years left, fine you take the risk and you show him that if he stays with us we can provide him what he wants.
Anthony on a one year deal, with his eyes on the Knicks, is not worth us even discussing.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Two year rental
One year rental.
Still a rental and we took a chance. We wouldn’t take a one year rental chance with Melo, but the fact is, if you can improve your team with a trade for a superstar – YOU DO IT.
without a S&T?
You are acting desperate.
We had NOTHING to lose by trading for Kidd, who was regarded at the time damaged goods because he had slapped his wife in the mouth and was coming off of injury, for a piece of garbage and pocket lint. It was a calculated risk that paid off because a)the turn around was insane and b)by the time Kidd’s contract was up, we had already gotten to two NBA Finals and that, along with the area, was incentive enough to stay. And even after all of that, we were all SHOOK that Kidd would ditch us for San Antonio.
This is NOT the same situation.
Trading Favors, picks, Williams, Harris, WHATEVER for a one year rental of Anthony is nothing short of stupid. You gain nothing by doing so if he leaves.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Kidd was a blessing but it proves one thing
And you have to agree with this – if you have a chance to land a superstar, you do it.
There is absolutely no question that Carmelo would make this team not only better, but incredibly relevant. Ticket sales, jersey sales, TV audiences, etc.
It all depends on what we’re willing to give up.
yes
now as reported below, if he would agree to an extension…yes. I don’t think twice about it aside from Favors and Lopez.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
and i have said that in other threads as well
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly what Dolla said.
Kidd was traded for Marbury (Garbage), Johnie Newman, and Somailia Samake.
Really!!! How can you compare trading young talent and a draft picks for a ONE year rental to that.
seriously
Do you think king is stupid enough to offer Favors, other 1st rd picks, Harris and Williams for Anthony on an expiring?
Absolute madness.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
King fleeced Rod Thorn in the past
he made some questionable signings in Philly, but a fool this man isn’t.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
There you go again
still talking about a 1 year rental, when there isn’t a single scenario in which the Nets would ever do that.
um of course
why would anyone think that they would?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You continue to talk about it
“Do you think king is stupid enough to offer Favors, other 1st rd picks, Harris and Williams for Anthony on an expiring?”
Get Melo
Everyone should be considered in a trade for him. Give them all the draft picks, and anyone on the roster with the exception of Brook, Favors and Devin. With Melo this team wins a minimum of 45 games, more likely in the 50’s.
To tell you the truth
I am against getting him unless there is a contract in place. Also, there is the question of what players are going the other way. I don’t know who I will want to give up but Favors or Brook is untouchable. Devin is a maybe… I say we keep the youths.
Melo is going to the Knicks
end of story. Now we have to find a way to beat them.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
How about we play as a team, team defense, team offense, team work...
and develop our young players. When Derrick Favors is 24, Melo will be pushing 32.
by M I K E on Aug 18, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
ah
the voice of reason.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
z
Paul
Chandler
Melo
Amare
Center
Are nets screwed?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Why worry about the Knicks?
The best laid plans can sometimes blow up in your face. I remember the 1986 Mets and the great players they had, and all the talk about how they where going to be a dynasty. If my memory serves me right, that didn’t go to well. Let Miami and Knicks build their perfect teams. Then watch all these “great pals” start fighting among themselves in a year or two.
maybe...
….although this isn’t the same type of situation, a team effort defeated a “superteam” when the Pistons beat the Lakers a few years back.
You never know, but it seems unlikely that we’ll see that again.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Can they even afford these players?...
I just don’t see a trade to the knick-knacks. I just don’t see equal value. I see other teams have better offer then the knicks. I just don’t see how gallo-curry-draft picks gets it done.
Absolutely not.
In a matter of 3 years CP3 and Amare’s knees will need bulldozer surgery.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you mike
the best laid plans and all that stuff.
that’s why I’m like let these guys play together we will be okay
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions
thank you killa and mike
for providing a positive outlook towards this.
I’m not so sure we’ll be able to compete unless Lopez, Favors, and Williams take steps up the ladder. They’re only kids with loads of potential, so you never know. We could get lucky
Gotta roll the dice and hopefully we don’t crap out before our number hits
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankfully that's not the plan
And the Nets will make an attempt to land Melo, if Denver is even open to actually trading him yet.
And if we don't get Melo...
Who is the next savior we are going to go chasing? Or are we going to fold our tent and go home?
Does it matter?
Our team has assets that allow us to be in the mix. We are in a great position for the future whether we land a superstar or not.
Melo
Looks like he’d be willing to join the nets, multi year;
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/08/18/carmelo.trade.interest/
Melo is getting old…entering his prime. Are nets ready to win now?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yes
Devin in his prime. Lopez is entering his third year. Outlaw becomes a quality experienced 6th man. Favors starting out. Balance of pieces. Add a veteran star and you have a very good team. Given them a year together and you have a potentially great team. Head to Brooklyn as a legitimate title contender under Avery and his top notch staff.
mike here it comes.........
now!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
run!!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
my co worker just looked at me crazy because of the loud gasp that I let out.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh shist.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
it just hit the fan
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The collective face of Nets and Rockets fans:
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Or this.... HAAAAAPPYYYY
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thats creepy
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Derek doesn't think so...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why thank you good sir.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Its beyond obvious he wants a "super team" in NY.
Let him get his super team. A team that’s going to make the playoffs and collapse to teams that can actually play team basketball. They will fall to teams who dont have selfish cry babies (CP3). They will fall to teams without players who are too interested in being in the spotlight (Melo). They will fall to teams with healthy players (amare and paul). There will only be one “super team” and its in Miami, but even they will proceed to fall to the almighty Lakers. The media is obsessed with the Heat, and it will be the Knicks, but they will really be ignoring the only TRUE super team, and that is the Lakers. Those guys are committed to WINNING through TEAM EFFORT. They deserve to win the next 3 championships if you ask me.
All in all, if I think we should be going after Carmelo, the answer is ABSOLUTELY. I have seen people say that Melo will not put us or any another team over the top because of what happened in Denver. That’s absolute BS. He won in ’Cuse and in the NBA he had much better teams called the Lakers and Suns and even the Spurs among others who stood in his way.
But the point is, this guy is another selfish punk most likely. Its another LeBron fest. He’s either too concerned with being in the bright lights or he’s dumb enough to believe that going to the Knicks could get him to the Finals or be competitive with the Heat.
If he’s smart and wants to win, he either comes here or Orlando.
Consequences will never be the same.
Hey, how about Xavier Henry and Hasheem Thabeet? Could they be had?
You want to build for the future, rather than putting together an overwhelmingly team gutting package to get Carmelo, why not send Devin Harris and a few draft picks to Memphis in an attempt to put together a very nice collection of young talent?
as much as I'd love to get excited about the possibility...
…..its better to stay grounded on this one. This report could be a bunch of bull. ESPN was full of it and I wouldn’t put it past SI to try to pass speculation or hearsay as evidence.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its going to get alot of people going
simply because if it is true, we will get him. We easily have everything Denver wants so I guess we’ll wait and see.
Even a broken clock...
Is right twice a day…
by M I K E on Aug 18, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're officially a genius
And so said the old man!
so
you don’t believe reports that say NY or Orlando are atop of his lists but you believe Mannix, who said Avery wanted Cousins over Favors btw LOL.
BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO. I’m not dissing Mannix, but we’ll see.
I never said I didn't believe
I just think agents and publicists have a job to do, to create buzz and excitement. Yesterday it was NY and ORL, today it’s HOU and NJ.
What’s going on Melo’s head is unknown to everyone. But my main point is that it would be crazy to think that giving up on millions of dollars is not something he’s considering lightly.
Ok, so can I put this back on the table now?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2349cy7 + a pick or two
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Me too, but with who? Or more picks or cash?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ante upped
would be Harris, TWill and Favors for Anthony mid-season or whenever
Not that I want to do that, though…or that it’s even necessary. I’m just saying it is an ante up and I believe it works under the cap.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
ante up…good beat
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me stress
I don’t nec. want to do that!
I’m not sure if the Nets would turn that down, though, if they got Anthony + extension.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
if Anthony agrees to an extension
everyone aside from Favors and Lopez would be fair game.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so I've got you on board?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2349cy7 + a two picks
for
Anthony + extension
;0) (at least as a starting point)
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Now the question is
What would it take to bring in Lawson as well?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
why would denver want harris?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Billups is aging...
I dont see why they wouldnt take a Harris for Lawson trade
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, I'm on board with that.
I would do that deal and mine the scrap heap for another PG and platoon it for a year with Farmar and whatever else we can find.
Farmar/Uzoh/?
Morrow/Ross
Anthony/James
Murphy/Favors/May
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek
hm…it’d be a start.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you be game with Lawson being our starting PG?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!
but I highly doubt Denver gives him up as well
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Lawson and Melo most likely means giving up Favors I think.
Unless we give
Harris
D James
T Will
Hump
picks
cash
then I think we can get away with Melo and Lawson. Unless Denver is not interested for whatever reason..
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
meh don't even wanna contemplate this stuff
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
losing harris would put us back where we are
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
What??? Not even if we have Carmelo?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
if we have Carmelo...
….which we won’t….we wouldn’t need a shoot first PG.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference between Devin and Farmar is about the same as that between Melo and Outlaw. But at least we’d get to shell out a lot of $$$ to lose more games.
by calling all toasters on Aug 18, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is can we trade RIGHT NOW if we wanted to. I completely forgot who isnt game right now.
Isnt it impossible to trade Outlaw, Morrow, Farmar right now…. Im not sure.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, right now
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2349cy7 + two picks
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
"with this trade, you are decreasing this team's projected win total by 10." Wow
And so said the old man!
they will trade Lee lol
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i would throw in
twill, picks…no favors or harris
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I mean its truly pathetic if you think about it.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt you get Denver to agree with that
They would most likely want Harris + Twill.
I’d do that in a second.
That's what I thought.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Its all over espn though
Carmelo will sign with the knicks in 2011…who knows if this is true
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Only way that's possible
Is if he waits out this contract and takes a big pay cut (assumed by new CBA) and signs as a free agent.
Otherwise, he’d sign with them THIS year in a S+T.
I cant watch ESPN...
so they are saying that Melo is ABSOLUTELY a Knick in 2011… welcome to the sports hype network…..
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
theyve been talking about it all day
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Once again...
ESPN is trash that bases ALL of their stories on HYPE… very rarely things they say are true unless its a done deal….
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
do you know
Mannix "reported before the draft that Avery wanted COusins over Favors? Not saying this is true, but whatever. You can question all those writers’ credibility, not only the ones that interest you.
Mannix is a joke. Much like the others as well.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
touche
I wanted to believe Mannix, but after that he lost a lot of credibility
let’s hope he’s right about Melo being willing to sign an extesion, it’d be a good sign for the Nets, even if I don’t want us to trade for him now.
I think Favors + Lopez are concrete
Everyone else is up for grabs. Including draft picks, money, etc.
they better be concrete
I really want to see Harris, Lopez, Favors, and Melo on the same team
I say the most we give them is Twill, James, Murphy, and a load of picks
scratch that murhpy can't be traded for awhile
give them Humphries, Twill, James, Ross, and a load of picks
I said it yesterday
King has yet to show signs that he will rip us off in any stupid trades. Murphy was an excellent signing… only proof we have of him screwing anything over is his time with Philly.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
woj is the man
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I'm getting lost among so many new comments LOL
I will just say this: STAY AWAY. STAAAAAAAAAAAAY AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY PLEASE!
stay away
CARMELO!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
to clear one thing up....
NOWHERE in the two big pieces on Melo—Bucher in ESPN and Berger in CBS Sports—did it say that Melo was limiting himself to the Knicks or the Knicks and the Magic.
Bucher said that while he liked the Knicks, he was mainly interested in leaving Denver. Berger said that while he liked the Knicks and Magic, he was open to other offers.
Mannix is a further indication of that…with the realization that few teams can offer Denver something realistic.
Longest damn off-season ever.
Net Income
Does Melo start the season as a Nugget? Yay or Nay?
what would houston offer?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Honestly, I think they say that because they dont want to like asshats if Melo to NJ or HOU goes down
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
I’m trying not to get my hopes up
breathe….stay balanced….the middle path is the way….
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
What I always say is
Hope for the best, expect the worst
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
story of my life
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Helps me out with all of my favorite teams and in life as well.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Calm yourselves
Lets not get sucked into baseless speculation
I don’t believe Mannix more than I do BSPN.
I hate this GARBAGE.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
ah, unlike ESPN
excuse me then
I’m just trying to keep calm my good man. I don’t want to build myself up for another serious let down
but i can’t lie…my leg is shaking like someone in their 2nd day in a rehab clinic.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the dude from draft express??
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But be honest
it is rare that more than one of these writers has any clue whats going on.
This is speculation for the vast majority of these “serious writers”
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I am being honest
this is a BIG story for these guys and they are not about to screw it up.
their sources may have their own interests at heart but when you see “MULTIPLE” sources, as Mannix notes, you have to take it seriously. Multiple is not one or two. it means he tried to get beyond the self-interested sources.
any by the way, I assume calls have been made to Nets, Rockets and Knicks officials.
"sources"
I still want to know what that word means…hahah.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what I figured.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
it could also mean
Denver is leaking this in order to get Melo’s trade value up.
Mannix’s source when he said AJ preferred Cousins over Favors was Avery himself. Supposedly. He even put some words in his mouths.
Kevin Martin? The dude can SCORE.
Can we offer anything that comes close?
Gilbert "washington bullets" Arenas
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
LeBron "I went to Cleveland and all I got was this lousy MVP trophy" James
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook "disney channel" Lopez
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
earl "start me at center" boykins
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Who can they offer?
Martin and Battier are likely options, but besides that I have no clue who DEN would want from them.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The one thing proven daily on Netsdaily
is that nobody really knows what’ s going to happen. No matter how emphatically you say it doesn’t make it so.
One thing I won’t do is hold my breath for Melo. His agent is doing a good job of getting these markets hyped up and giving the teams hope just like Lebron. He’s driving up the market price so his client will get a ton of money and leave Denver. If we get him without giving up Brook or Favors cool… but I wouldn’t put any money on it…
Just like when a pretty girl gives you her number, it doesn’t mean you’re gonna get lucky.. Calm down boys…lol
So do you think.....
Stern would like a star of Melo’s caliber going to NYC to join the global aspiration NETS led by Proky into a shiny new arena in Brooklyn over clueless bring back the harasser Dolan…….I think yes….
only way the nets get melo is if they trade lopez and/or harris
and in that case they wouldn’t compete for anything but a first round exit (maybe)
How?
You are talking about obtaining a premier player in the league who averages 28 points per game.
He’s a guy who can finish a team off, hit a last second shot, and take over an entire game.
We have NOBODY like that. I can’t imagine them trading Lopez but Harris can go very quickly. I don’t know why Denver would want him though.
melo is simply overrated, and for reports to be saying that we would give up Lopez, Harris, and Favors, or a apckage of some sort like that and is absolutely absurd. I honestly would not trade Lopez for Melo straight up.
Bottom line is, Carmelo is no LeBron, D-Wade, Durant, or Kobe. He is a very good basketball player but is not a superstar and is highly overrated
by i says on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
disagree
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
as in he will put us over the top, no matter any way you look at it.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Highly disagree.
he makes us much better, but this roster does not copete with the magic or heat
Harris/farmar
TWill/ morrow
Melo/ outlaw/ james
Favors/ hump
Lopep/ petro
And thats assuming Melo just signs with us, which is not happening.
Does it make us competitive with the Magic or Heat NOW? No
But in a few years, YES. That’s why we NEED to sign him long term if we want to really make a run at him.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes absolutely
Not Kobe, I don’t think there’s a player on the planet since Jordan like Kobe.
But LeBron, Wade, Durant? Yes. Absolutely on the same level.
agreed
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But LeBron, Wade, Durant? Yes. Absolutely on the same level.
You can’t be serious. Durant has still lots of things to prove (I’d argue he’s already better than melo tho), but to put him on the same level as Kobe and Wade is overrating him big time. Those are proven winners and leaders on championship teams. You’re talking about FINALS MVP. Melo is not that good… not even close. IMO.
OK sorry
for misreading and consuing BRYANT and James
Le bron is much better than Melo anyways, he’s an MVP and he made an atrocious team like Cleveland a championship contender with much less help than that Melo had in Denver
Amen, i second that
Its crazy talk to call Melo a player on the level of a guy like Wade, Durant or Lebron,
It's not crazy at all
And if you look at all the scoring leaders, MVP votes, playoff performances, last-second shots, gave takeovers, etc – he’s on the SAME level as those guys.
Once again, Melo is nowhere near the level of Bryant, or even LeBron by that matter. I think there is an argument for Wade and Durant
But in terms of Carmelo making this team a very serious contender in a couple of years, he puts us over the top. If you cant agree with that at least, your nuts IMO.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Carmelo is no LeBron, D-Wade, Durant, or Kobe. He is a very good basketball player but is not a superstar
THIS
So wrong it's not even funny
Postseason:
http://bit.ly/c43dSU
Regular season:
http://bit.ly/4brU8D
We are talking about an ELITE player.
Agreed, but that is him as palyer. As a leader, a player who can do it all, who can carry a team, stop the bleeding, nail that clutch basket, guard the hottest scorer, or lead his team deep in the playoffs without another few stars. Those are things Melo cannot do. sure he can score, but he is not as versatile or dynamic a player of the kobe caliber
Yeah, but we dont need a Kobe to win
There will never even be another Kobe. A Melo puts us over the top, and makes us VERY competitive in 2 or 3 years.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
A Melo puts us over the top
Melo has never put an NBA over the top, and he played on teams that arguably had more talent than the Nets, esp if you take into account the players we’d have to give up on for him.
Im not sure if he takes us over the top NOW but in a few years YES
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Your point? There WILL NEVER be another Jordan, and I think it might be the same for Bryant.
Yea thats what they said about MJ, and its completely true.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Carmelo sucks!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Aug 18, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until Lebron & Durant win a title
They are all debatable in the Top 5.
Plus there’s always this from last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6eqP_y9kw&fmt=18
Not for nothing...
But LeBron racked up a triple double against Melo in that game.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lebron James is the 2nd best player in the world
I fail to see how him not winning a championship puts his top 5 status up for debate.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My top 5
Kobe
LeBron
Wade
Durant
Dirk
after that Id say Melo.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, I forgot about DWill
Well then id have Melo as the 7th best in the league. Howard close, but hes 8th best followed by Paul
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t put Dirk over Deron and Howard’s defense is the only reason I have him at #5 because his offense is atrocious.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That a 21 y.o. with Parents from the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere is considered 3rd best player in teh NBA is unbelievable
And so said the old man!
Just curious
Which player are you referring to?
I still don't understand why the Rockets are the deepest tram in the league
Yao, Scola, Martin, and Lee is all I see.
Brooks.
How can you forget that lil guy. He’s the catalyst.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Aug 18, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Battier
Fantastic 1-on-1 defender.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yessir
Solid team. Greater than the sum of their parts. Look at their record in the past couple of yrs.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Aug 18, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's getting old
Yao is never healthy, I mean I like their team but I think there going to start taking a few steps back, I don’t see them in the playoffs this year, unless Yao is fully healthy.
Aaron Brooks is a beast dude
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If this is about who has the best trade package Knicks are out of it
They have the weakest package because they have no picks, they want to only include Gallo.
Also
besides giving up on assets, what kind of contract would we have to sign him to?
Seriously, Melo is not worth $21M per., and that what Denver was offering him.
What are you smoking?
This guy is absolutely worth every bit of that. Did you see what contracts people signed this year?
WHAT? Unfortuantely, we would be forced to give Melo the max, but thats only so he doesnt go somewhere else. There is no way Melo is WORTH the max
Now thats a good comparison.
I agree.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus look at it from an owner's perspective
Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, David Lee, Amar’e, etc. are NOTHING compared to Carmelo Anthony when it comes to ticket sales, marketability, jersey sales, etc.
seriously
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant say hes worth the MAX, but hes close.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
C'mon, dont compare him to those deals
Those teams were desperate, the Johnson deal was atrocious.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
why not?
Melo is better than all of those players..so it’s absurd to say that Melo isn’t a max player.
All im saying is i would not compare him with JJ. that was a desperation move.
Now that I think about it, if JJ was a desperate max deal move, then I guess Melo is worth it as well.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand your reasoning Andres and agree...
But it seems Proky + Co. might be on the lets go get a superstar bandwagon. Thorn told Proky before he left that the team needed that one special player. Lets see what happens.
The Rockets have a ton of expiring contracts
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
vs
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2349cy7
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
try again
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a9t2yh
vs
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2349cy7
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Maybe I'm not seeing this
But why do they need an expiring contract? Isn’t Carmelo just an expiring contract himself (under the scenario where they let him walk)?
They don't need an expiring
I was just pointing out that most of the Rockets roster is expiring next summer.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
their GM kicks so much butt
expiring deals and a highly competitive team. Wow.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
hahah LOLZ
they give them away like samples of sesame chicken from the Panda Express @ the Menlo Park Mall food court
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah....ewww i thought they were peackocks with their hair.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to admit i LOL'd
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Im gonna tune in now.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I will try.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Great stats find.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Get It Done
Carmelo is a top 10 NBA player, and one of the top 5 offensively. He is also the best NBA player who is available (CP3 is off the market now that the Hornets have traded Collison). If we can get him without blowing up the foundation of our team, we should do it. We have the assets to get this done, and can offer Carmelo a better prospect of winning than the Knicks and the Nuggets better assets than the Rockets (Kevin Martin? Jeffries?) and Magic (Lewis? VC?).
The Nugget do not need a poiint guard, so Harris is not going to be part of the deal without a third team. They also don’t even have a GM at this point, so no deal is going to be made quickly. Given that, here is my proposal:
As soon as we are able (October), we send Murphy, TWill, Hump, D. James, the GS #1 pick, two #2s and $3 million for a signed Carmelo and Balkman. They get lots of picks, two young players with great potential, a guy who can keep them somewhat competitive this season, and a big body in the Hump. They also get some financial flexibility with two expiring contracts and dumping Balkman’s three year guarantee (they have soured on him).
We get Carmelo, and can pair him with Favors, Brook and a backcourt troika of DH, Morrow and Farmar. If the Nuggets don’t make a fast deal, we have a shot at this.
If that's what it takes, I'm in
But I think we’re giving up too much future there. Damion James would be great to keep, but to think about him as a “steal of the draft” would be an understatement if it led to Melo.
Gotta Give to Get
I hated to drop James in there too, but our advantage over the Knicks et al. is our ability to give up some good young players along with draft picks. An alternative would be to keep James but give up two #1 picks. I just don’t see that as attractive enough for the Nuggets, and having all our #1 picks provides a lot of flexibility for us moving forward (just ask the Knicks).
only way we trade harris
is if we want lawson as well. Id have zero issues with Lawson as our starting PG.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know who it was, but whoever is on WFAN right no called him "kevin mannix"
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To be honest, I don’t think Melo is worth some of the deals you guys are looking for the Nets to pursue. What’s the Nuggets’ leverage?
Promoting a grenade-free America.
Summary so far:
- Won’t happen for weeks with no GM in place
- Carmelo WANTS that money one way or another
- If he’s free agent, #1 choice is Knicks
- If teams willing to trade, he’s down to go and sign long term, including HOU and NJ
- NYK should be nervous, don’t have assets like HOU and NJ
- #1 priority for Carmelo is getting paid, last thing he wants to do is go into free agency into the lockout with new CBA
More
- New CBA quite daunting, Carmelo doesn’t have much freedom here like Lebron did
- Denver would want building blocks including top prospect (Galinari, Favors, Harris) and draft picks to secure better future
- Melo is top 5 – 6 player in the NBA
- Mannix would be shocked if they don’t trade him (if he declines extension). Don’t want to be Lebron’d
damn it
I would not give them Favors.
Harris, Williams, James, etc sure.
We need to keep the frontcourt intact or this trade is pointless.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Evan Roberts is a disgrace
Joe Beningo has said more positive things about the Nets this summer than that whining idiot
He’s a Nets fan who quietly roots for the Knicks. He doesn’t even make sense anymore to be honest he’s one of those idiots that would have been happy with the Nets going out and paying David Lee 85 million and calling the summer a success. He can go to the opposite of heaven
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Mannix is a Knicks fan
He said we twice when referring to the Knicks. I don’t know if this was a slip.
not shocking
considering the crap he wrote about us this summer.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
at least he's honest
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me put it this way
A 20 million dollar player on Denver the last two years should have won a title. Melo ain’t worth the money and is the most overrated player in the league. Front court players who are average defenders are neither A. worth max $ B. capable of bringing a title to their team. It’s sad how people just don’t know what it takes to win.
My top 5 are the 5 best defensive big men in the league.
From Mannix
we are in a holding pattern. we will be for a while. there is no one to negotiate with on the Nuggets part and thats why this will take a while. They are interviewing GM candidates.
Carmelo wants money from the extension. Hes going to make much more money now than being a FA.
Melo as FA almost certainly signs with NYK
NJ and HOU very possible with trade assets
Chicago and Orlando on his list as well
Remember, this is not his decision
DEN not going to get a dollar for dollar return
DEN looking for a top prospect in return
DEN would absolutely ask NJ for Harris and even Favors
Without Melo, almost no future for Denver
DEN really doesnt want to end up getting Lebron’d
He will most likely be traded before, say, mid December
NYK in a sticky situation without those future picks….
Gallinari value not as much than NYK thinks
NYK have a much weaker package to offer
Best case for NYK is Melo as a FA
Its possible for a team like, Bobcats, for example, to trade for him and then leave as a FA
Wants the cash money first and foremost
West team is a possible landing spot, dont think EAST is the only chance
Basically saying Knicks have no chance at trading for him.
Melo wont like playing in DEN with FA looming…
Thats it. Thats a wrap.
Consequences will never be the same.
Denver would have to get a GM in place and move him before the season starts
That gives them about a month or so.
Hold on to your seats, here we go again…
Gallinari value not as much than NYK thinks
I have been saying this. the only people who believe that this kid is worth something are Knicks homers.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
think about it. The kid shoots 3s. That's it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me ask you this DB?
Who’s value do you believe is higher to NBA GMs T-Will’s or Gallo’s?
Answer objectively.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
right now.... They are about equal, both have proved nothing
Sorry, I know it was DB’s question to answer.
that's pretty much my answer
Their rookie years are a wash, and Gallo showed that he is a good shooter but not much else in his 2nd year. Williams is TBD.
Williams has more potential as an all around player. I don’t think Gallo will be that special if all he ends up being is a shooter and nothing more.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
and...
…that last statement is based on the fact that Williams is a better ball handler, passer, and rebounder than Gallo.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think potential is the key
Williams has been breathtaking at times, frustrating at others.
Galinari has been a decent 3 point shooters and will probably be a reliable all around player.
But he doesn’t have the upside of Twill.
...and again the bottom line is
in spite of all the Knicks hype, they blew it by trading away all their assets to clear space.
Walsh gets a pass from the Knick writers because he is better than Isiah.
NO ONE will admit that unless and until the Nets wind up with a superstar…or somehow win big without one.
This in Denver’s hands.
Yup
As much as Carmelo wants to leave, Denver has control because they have the money.
Which is good news for the Nets, should Denver decide to make a move.
how funny would it be...
…that we ended up S&T’ing K-Mart to them, and they could possibly return the favor to us?
Again…Lopez and Favors should be off limits, even then we can still put together a great package for them…who can Houston offer without killing their team?
New York is all but out of it if it comes down to a trade, which it appears so unless Mannix is full of poop
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If it's at the final table
And it’s make or break for Melo, and the only way they do the deal is with Favors…
I’d think about it hard.
we have options though
we can give them
Harris
Hump
TWILL
1st round Picks
Cash
and D James if they want. Murphy can be traded in October
Id do that for Melo and Lawson.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but my point is
If they say “yeah that’s ok, but we aren’t doing this deal without Favors. You keep D James, we take Favors, and you have a deal.”
Do you do it?
I understand but
We have so many picks and cash is near unlimited. Do we really need to give up Favors?
But if they say “NO WAY WITHOUT FAVORS” Then I ask for Melo Lawson and someone else
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
this
I’d give them our 2011 and 2013 pick as well, but I try to hold onto Favors at all cost. We will not win without three solid bigs, Carmelo or not
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Question is
Who is that third guy we ask for if we are willing to trade Derrick?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Netsmets4Life Ive been posting this trade for days
Harris
Hump
T-Will
James
Cash
Picks
for
Melo
Lawson
Only on one condition Melo signing the extension obiously. Proky WANTS a big Market guy.
Trade Breakdown:
Whoever thinks Lawson can’t be better than Harris is out of their mind seroiusly all jokes aside Lawson has the speed and Quickness to get to the rack without breaking something in his body (not fragile) and a way better jumpshot and field goal percentage 56% overall and close to 40% from deep as a starter in 8 games 17.0ppg 3.0rpg and 6.0apg with only Melo, Smith of the bench ,and Nene playing with him he would have Melo, Outlaw of the bench, and Lopez here pretty even. Harris numbers as a starter and only “allstar” not good (dont get me wrong he is a good player) 17.0ppg 3.0rpg 7.0apg but on 40% shooting and 28% from deep.For Ty lawson Even in college his shot selection was good 50%+ every year not so much for Harris 46% was his best year in college. Plus Harris was a bench player for 21/2 seasons with Dallas.
Whoever thinks T-Will and James for Anthony is a bad deal for the Nets after signing a three extension (locked for at least 4 years) is also out of their mind.I think James and T-Will can be 15pt scorers a game but Anthony can be a 30pt scorer you can’t find guys around the league that can put points on the board like that I don’t think I have to say much here. Superstar for someone who has averaged 8.0ppg and another who has averages 0.0ppg.
The only way I this being a bad deal is if you see Hump as an allstar caliber player really all jokes aside how can this be a bad deal you can replace him with May. And you can get a starting SG thru Free Agency Jame’s ex Robins Hughes and West are available they would need a Combo Guard to replace T-Will.
FAVORS AND LOPEZ ARE UNTOUCHABLES AND PROKY WANTS A BIG TIME STAR.
Lawson./Farmar
Free .A./Morrow/Ross
Anthony/Outlaw
Murphy/Favors/May
Lopez/Petro
I really like this team
Lawson./Farmar
Free .A./Morrow/Ross
Anthony/Outlaw
Murphy/Favors/May
Lopez/Petro
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 19, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Its not HORRIBLE at all, Id say its mediocre. Ty Lawson is a top 25 PG, and Dwyer agrees.
Im sure we could find a sufficient SG via FA.
And while the backcourt is iffy, thats one of the best frontcourts in the league, if not the best.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright lets change it up then LMAO maybe its the visual of the lineup
Lawson/Farmar
Anthony/Morrow
Ross/Outlaw
Murphy/Favors
Lopez/Petro
Lawson-12ppg Farmar-6ppg
Anthony-28ppg Morrow-6ppg
Ross-5ppg Outlaw-6ppg
Murphy-12ppg Favors-4ppg
Lopez-18ppg Petro-3ppg
A starting five that can easily score 75ppg and a bench that can easily score 25ppg and a coach that is all about defense all realistic accomplishemnts (points per game) and most importantly great shooting 46%Anthony, 51%Lawson, 50%Lopez, 47% Murphy and Ross taking limited shots per game and one of the better benches the Nets have had in years.
I’d try to get Lawson out of them if they want to take it that far
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we can get that done.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Walsh has been almost as bad as Isiah IMO
signing Stoudemire to 100 million uninsured and using a 1st rd pick to get rid of salary is absolutely stupid, but he gets a pass as you said until the other shoe drops.
The same ones who give him kudos now will be the same ones nailing him to the cross if the Knicks fail here
This is getting interesting.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
without clearing that space anthony randolph, a kid who has hall of fame skills, an unbelievable upside is not a Knick. not to mention ronny turiaf two very important pieces to our team are not Knicks. please get the facts right before you comment.
anthony randolph, a kid who has hall of fame skills
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgyybTWnyaY
this kid definitley has hall of fame skills.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
"anthony randolph, a kid who has hall of fame skills"
What…did….you….say….?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What you mean?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
no…..way….
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Sad Keanu is Upset With GALLOs comments
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
read
the warriors blog. they were mortified when they traded him to us. they think the exact same thing.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh my god LOL
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
easily
I applaud you Gallo, I’m over here trying to stifle my laughter because I’m supposed to be working right now
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
maybe i’m wrong..but randolph was acquired via S&T for David Lee, and it had nothing to do with the clearing cap space?
without
trading jordan hill, jeffries, pick, etc. the sign and trade could not have occured.
well thank God....
…that Walsh made that move.
It’s not everyday that 1st ballot hall of famers get included in deals for David Lee. Talk about highway robbery
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow news day...
Hey somebody likes us… LOL
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/new-jersey-nets-should-be-your-new-second-favorite-team
Nice.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my thoughts on Melo to Nets Probably
I believe this article 100% this is a true article, Sportscenter reported it Wfan Joe and Evan just had Chris Mannix on to talk about this and Melo
So everyone who thinks this is false probably need to change your mind and say to yourself the nets have a chance at Melo
As for Melo im all for trading for this Guy and im reading some people think he might leave us for the knicks i dont buy it if we trade for him were going to re-sign him
Trade Thoughts
Some trades guys are posting here with Harris in the Trade isnt going to happen They want young Talent picks and expiring contracts Harris isnt that
Dont know if this trade would work but who knows btw lopez and favors shouldnt be involved in melo trade
Nets get Melo and Afflalo
Nuggests get Twill James 2 First RD picks and Humps
I really think that trade can work who knows
To me If we get Melo we will be a very vey very good team All talk here was we arent the thunder because we dont have that Superstar and IF we have Melo with Lopez and Harris that would get to aleast 45 wins
Lets say Melo goes to the nets and he walks and he goes to the knicks we can do a sign and trade for gallo and randolph
thats why to me it could be a win win for us if we trade for melo and he leaves and goes to the knicks because we can get a sign and trade players in return for melo from the knicks
AS for the offseason lets say we get melo and we play this sesaon out
We might have money because murphy is gone and we can go after parker and then we can trade Harris for a Legit PF or SG
i know its all talk now but my thinking is Trade for Melo resign him Sign Tony Parker and trade harris for legit PF or SG this is my predicitiosn that all im not guarantee anything lets hope for the best NETS FANS LETS GOOO!!!
Harris/Farmar
Morrow/Afflalo/Ross
Melo/Outlaw
Murphy/Favors/Humps/May
Lopez/Petro
Next Yr
Parker/Farmar
Morrow/Afflalo/Ross
Melo/Outlaw
Favors/?
Lopez/Petro
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
Just Twill, James, Hump and 2 first picks?
I gotta say, the Nuggest will probably get a much better offer than that from another team, that Carmelo would be open to playing for.
Yea its just that but the knicks are just giving them Gallo and a pick from 2014 so why wouldnt the nets offer be better?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not the Knicks`
It’s Houston that we have to worry about
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup exactly
And other teams we’re not thinking about… like the Washington Wizards (Wall + home in Baltimore).
He just wants a change, so it doesn’t have to be NJ, but I think he’d prefer to have Brooklyn in his future.
Lets say its houston like you say who do they got to trade for Melo? Brooks? Scola?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Melo and Lopez and Harris should be at least 55 wins
But DEN wants Harris.
I wouldnt want Parker if you paid me.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Denver wants Harris?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Absolutely. Billups is aging.
Mannix just said it as well.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If we give up.......
Harris than I would like Proky to get us the rights to RUBIO……..
Best news of this day
Is that the Nets are relevant. One of the top 5 players in the league has said he’s open to coming to the Nets and being here LONG TERM.
That’s just a great step forward for the franchise.
Just stay off the billboards for now.
by eLonepb on Aug 18, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
People will start hating on us very soon
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
You serious or you mocking me?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
My trade suggestion
Melo comes over at a max extension.
TWILL + D. James = young players on rookie contracts with big upside who play Karl/Denver type of basketball. I like James but he is not playing much with Melo at SF.
Murphy = assumes we need a big contract to make the deal work and he is expiring so no worries for Denver to take this (understand this limits the luxury tax reduction this season that Denver might want).
Our first rounder next year.
GS first rounder with the provisions = his is a potential high value pick so interesting for Denver.
A couple of second rounders – the ones we have acquired so we keep our own = more stuff for Denver to claim they got in the deal
$3 million off the top of Proky’s money pile
I don’t think we need to give up more to have a competitive offer. Denver is not getting much more. I would not want to include Devin in place of Murphy to make the numbers match. I also think Denver will find a way to renew Billups (the “new” face of the team) at a more favorable contract and to keep fans happy and help the youngsters develop. He is local. He is past his prime. He has had a great and successful career. He fits the new role. Plus I have zero interest in Lawson.
I start the conversation with...
….Harris, Hump or Murph’s expiring, and our 2011 and 2013 1st rd picks and go from there.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
twill, murphy, 3 first round picks.
no harris or favors
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
We're not giving up T WIll
if we don’t have to:
Humphries, Ross, Murphy, and picks
2 Choices Harris James Humps and 2 1st rd for Melo and Afflalo or Twill James Humps 2 1st rd for Melo and Affllalo
what ever we do dont trade Favors or Lopez everyone else can go
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
why
would denver who would be rebuilding want harris. favors would have to be in any deal imo.
I doubt the Nets give up Favors
We have loads of Picks (that would be the rebuidling part) and Harris will help them until they can fully rebuild
harris
is not someone you rebuild with. he is 27 years old first off and based on his nature, small, fragle pg, who relies on his quckness he will break down early.
Ummm
Did you read my Post. Harris isnt Part of the Rebuilding process (even though hes not old e can easily play 7 more years) i Said we have tons of picks (thats the rebuilding part right there). We can also throw T-Will or James at them.
i
did but the point is they would be rebuilding. you are not going to appease the nuggets fans with simply picks alone. your gonna have to give one of your young players with all star potential, favors is the only one who fits that mold with the exception of brook lopez, which nj wont trade i assume. its extremley hard to find a young center as gifted as lopez.
I think they will wnt Favors too but
they will want Harris, I will be shocked if they dont. I figured that before, and Mannix said it an hour ago.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He has multiple sources saying this.
Thats more than 3, and its unlikely more than 3 guys have no clue what they are talking about.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently
isiah thomas is saying carmelo anthony to the knicks…. is he a reliable source?
I get your point
But thats a terrible comparison.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I peed a little.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
<----DEAD
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Your going to be fired by the end of the day, arent you?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you say so pal
Regardless they are going to want to get something. Melo speaking out give other teams the upper hand. Denver has no leverage.
IMO we should keep Harris IF they dont ask for him and lets play this season with Harris Lopez and Melo as the big 3 and then in the offseason Sign Parker and Trade harris for a SG or PF
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
i said in my post above that i dont think denver would want harris i think they would want Twil more, as for favors wouldnt they want a SF over a PF more?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
no they wouldnt
TWill had one good month and was a problem before that.
You know those Knick fans who think Gallinari is worth more that they he is. Substitute Nets for Knicks and TWill for Gallinari.
I'd give them Harris and Williams if they want
I mean, two first rd picks, Harris, Williams, expirings, Damion james
I just don’t budge at Favors unless it gets ugly
I dunno. I feel real uncomfortable about trading that kid because we will not be a contender if we have to start over in the frontcourt.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
and...
…add the fact that once we add Melo, we won’t have cap flexibility(unless we somehow manage to swing the deal w/o involving Murph), we would be in trouble up front.
Lopez and Favors are a no no.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
now if we can do the deal without Murph
and manage to free up a bit more space, and if we have to lose Favors, I try and make a play for Horford next summer.
I’m just thinking aloud about not wanting to trade our 1st ballot hall of fame rookie
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
If Favors is the man. He and Brook can Flat out dominate and Melo is a easy 25 points. We have a bench set up. We can get us a pass first point guard and hopefully Marrow will still be on the team
well
if we can pull a deal off before or during camp, then our bench will be fine since none of our new signees can be traded til Dec.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not worth it
If we do that then melo would be in the same situation he is with the Nuggets, Without a supporting cast
by Scooby803 on Aug 18, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 18, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Naming rights to the team as well.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow this is New to me
I heard they are already making reversable Jerseys. Both sides with Randolphs name on the back. (i preordered)
by nwkiddnj on Aug 18, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats a win.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
PFFFFFFFTTTTTT
Im crying at “Randolphuggets”
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
With His face
Carved in the mountains as the Logo (idk guys but it sounds like we can market a team pretty damn well)
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Every Friday Night
The Randolphuggets will give out 10 foot posters with Randolph’s face and it will say
“In God We Trust”
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard they are already making reversable Jerseys. Both sides with Randolphs name on the back. (i preordered)
actua-frickin-LOL!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm DONE
I’m going to get fired messing with you guys.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not all.
Randolph night will take place every 82 games of the season.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
feed the beast!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This picture will be printed on underwer on "RANDOLPHUGGETS UNDERWEAR NIGHT"
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We will make a 100 foot statue of Anthony Randolph
and Send it to france as a return gift for the statue of liberty
by nwkiddnj on Aug 18, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holy God thats a really big win.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a day full of win on NetsDaily
first, we get our hopes up about Melo, and then Gallo comes through with the troll of the year
The clownage factor has just been too epic. I feel bad for anyone who comes into this thread later on tonight and has to start from the top
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, a day of win indeed
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
his neck will require 50 feet by it's self
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHHAAHA
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha christ look at this dude's neck
his adam’s apple looks like it has to take an elevator just to move from one spot to the other
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously stop that I am laughing too hard.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause he is young and a top 10 PG in the game
Billups is getting old. Wont be making those “big shots” much longer.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out the sbnation's nuggets site...
DenverStiffs.com looks like Melo retweeted an open letter their site’s admin wrote him. He couldve just said thanks and left it at that, but to send it to all his followers? Thoughts on that one?
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 18, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Have to say
I love that we’ve had several new posts today, and they haven’t had one since yesterday.
Love this site.
We run SB Nation
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wait what happen when I was in class
??????????
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
YOUR PF DERRICK FAVORS!!!!!
http://www.nba.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/2010.rookie.photo.shoot/content.12.html
looks amazing in Red Nets Jersey
LETS GOOOO
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
"Proky:Make Playoffs 2010-11 season"
Once again. Thats what I want. An Old school logo, like NY NETS in a UNC blue type of color.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
I….see.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
when you say baby blue
i am hoping its a new color of the Nets jersey like the “Sunday” jersey and not Nuggets blue
do
any of you actually watch basketball. the sky is the limit for anthony randolph. his potential is through the roof.
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
ACTUALOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Gallo
He’s an ok player but has done nothing in this league yet, was basically benched for being a problem on the team, if he was a Hall of Fame Player he would have impacted games more than he has done already, I mean I see no difference between him and Brandon Wright and neither do the Warriors.
Of course we know that. Thats why he is the God Of Basketball.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
none of us watch basketball. But you’re the one proclaiming that Randolph has “HOF” skills and trying to tell us that the knicks clearing cap space was well worth it b/c of randolph and ronny turiaf.
We’re the ones who are nuts ..
a bunch of lunatics around here
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
so is my blood pressure
please…for the love of god, stop making me laugh dude it hurts
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
first off
i am done with this site. i came here bc i thought the commenters were knowledgable yet I was wrong.
this is from LAMAR ODOM, who agrees with me on AR
"It’s like looking in the mirror a little. He’s also 6-11, he’s left-handed and he can put the ball on the floor. He’s two times as athletic as I was at that age.
He should set his goals high. He has All-Star potential, Hall of Fame potential, with that size, his ability to put the ball on the floor, he can shoot the three, he can pass. If he stays focused, the sky is the limit for him."
yeah so ugly
that he is married to one of the most beautiful women in the freakin world. LOL.
Shes the FAT ONE dude.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
shes
not fat. you probabbly wish you could have a woman half as attractive as her.
Grow up, man.
I thought you made sense sometimes, now its just BLEH
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I haev a woman 5 times as attractive as her
But all you need is a good looking guy and you’d have someone more attractive than her.
he is married to one of the most beautiful women in the freakin world. LOL.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But Klhoe is not even half of what KIM is....
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 18, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
and
the nets fans shut their mouths. theres a reason jason kidd didnt want to be there. horrendous fans is one of them. not knowledable.
Says the Knicks fan.
Good riddance, man.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So if its like looking in the mirror
He better start looking for a Khloe Kardashian look-alike pretty soon
Lamar said Gallo was more athletic??
Naaa Lamar was running down the court dunking on people at a young age I don’t see that at all.
KEEP POSTING!!!
This is just great stuff you can’t make it up.
Lets recap:
- Anthony Randolph is a HOF
- Ronny Turiaf is key in the rebuilding of the Knicks
- Nets fans are stupid
- Khloe Kardashian is hot
I am so done with this guy, I dont even feel like replying to him....
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
ronny turiaf provides much needed veteran leadership…. he is a big partof the Knicks.
hahaha
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
What I wanna know is...
What combination of drugs Gallo uses. You left out that he also suggested that Issaiah Thomas is a credible source…lol
And he keeps saying that the Garden is the Mecca of basketball…lol
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Just give up on him
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I am here
I’m at work, sorry what’s going on?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
actually i'm about to be out of here
As dave chapelle said in half baked….
“FREE!!!”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 18, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
why
doesnt anyone respond to this…..
LAMAR ODOM said this. so your basically laughing at lamar odom.
this is my last post here.
So long. Farewell....
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you want to hear?
We already agree that AR is a HOF. Look in all seriousness, yes his potential might not be fully tapped. But so many of us said that about Yi and he stinks. Potential doesnt win games, nor score points.
NOOOO
stay!
Shaq said Courtney Lee was going to be a star, so are you saying we are all laughing at shaq when we disagree?
Man do you make some quality arguments!
NOOOOOO
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I answered you up above
The fact that he says Gallo is more athletic than he was his rookie year is ridiculous, go youtube Lamar’s rookie year.
According to theKnicksBlog’s Tommy Dee Nuggets aren’t even remotely interested in Gallo + Curry + Draft Pick
AND YET OUR POINT IS PROVEN
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Innocent question
Why can’t Melo tell the Nuggets that he’s not going to resign with them and the only team is going to sign an extension with is the Knicks?
That pretty much makes the Knicks the only possible trade partner. Sure, Melo then would become public enemy #1 in Denver. But would Denver hold onto him for the entire year and let him walk for nothing out of spite and to see if he’s bluffing and willing to forgoe max money in the face of the CBA…or would they take what they can get from the Knicks?
I’m just trying to figure out why Melo doesn’t just tell Denver the one place he wants to go to and play poker with the Nuggets to see who blinks first. I’m assuming it’s because Melo wants the most money he can get and he knows the Nuggets won’t trade with the Knicks. But why doesn’t he force them to as described in the paragraph above?
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Reports are that
The Magic,Knicks,Rockets,Nets and probably some other team are places where he would agree to sign an extension with, he’s not dumb enough to limit himself to one team in my eyes.
I have no problem admitting I was
wrong now the problem is getting him and not giving up everything
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
The Key is the picks
In my eyes I would be cool with trading Harris Murphy if we have to and a bunch of picks.
We can trade Murphy mid October I believe
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, they are reportedly interviewing GM candidiates.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This has bheen the best coment thread on ND
I have ever seen.
Keep up the pics, recs, gifs and lol’s
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
I have to drive home now
from work. But I’ve never laughed so hard reading this site as I did today.
Special Thanks to:
GALLO
eLone
DollarBills
NetsMets
and others who contributed
by NetsKiNG on Aug 18, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So if we trade Harris is Twill getting the keys??
I mean is everyone 100 percent comfortable with that.
I would be. do we feel we could get one in free agent market or wait for Cp3
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
I'm cool with it
We would have a pretty big backcourt as well and would be a good rebounding team, I don’t think we need CP3 in my eyes.
I think we should ask Denver about Lawson.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What if we ask DEN about Ty Lawson?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I honestly would rather have T-will
Have Farmar come off the bench theres a serious difference in talent level there, and ability to create, T-will is the better passer and has huge hands.
So let me get this straight.
If Harris were to get traded, you would want T-Will to start at PG over Jordan Farmar after his showing at SL? The same Jordan Farmar that was limited by the anti-PG offense (aka The Triangle). I give up.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
I don't know if you agree or your being sarcastic lol
But Farmar to me is a backup, I seen T-will run this team last year and get results passing to guys like Josh Boone, YI and Lee clanking shots, now he will have the ability to pass to guys like Morrow, Outlaw and Murphy. Farmar always had trouble making the entry pass, I mean I like him but just not playing 30 plus a game.
T-will is also a better defender and a matchup nightmare
Also will help us become a great rebounding starting unit.
what is so hard to understand?
what did I say that is not correct?
Farmar has always been a back up, he averages 18mpg as a back up, playing behind a washed up Derek Fisher.
I know, I know, the triangle. It’s funny how you guys ar willing to give a 4 year pro the benefit of the doubt yet keep doubting Williams, A ROOKIE, bc he played well 2 months.
In 2 months, TWill showed more than Farmar in 4 seasons, period.
What other organization can win 12 games but yet swing as big a stick as we do
Nobody!!!! were on the rise, a lot of that is due to our location but mainly Proky, and sprinkle in some Jay-z who a lot of players look up to and who he talks to at party’s etc.
Whatever happened to Mikhail not wanting to be top 4 or 5 but "the best"
IF we trade for Melo, What makes anyone think that we’ll be the best team in the League?
It makes more sense to just wait it out and see after he becomes a free agent….unless we get a guarantee from him, but even then I would not give up Lopez or Favors for Melo. I’d be hesitant to move Twill but if they asked for him I think I would pull the trigger.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
cannot imagine
Nets giving up Favors or Lopez
And if they got Melo without giving up either one, the Nets would have one of the best if not the best front court in basketball next year.
True that... can you imagine?
Lopez/Favors/Melo would destroy so many teams is not even funny.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
HELL YEAH
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
at Claud
Whatever happened to Mikhail not wanting to be top 4 or 5 but “the best”
IF we trade for Melo, What makes anyone think that we’ll be the best team in the League?
This, this, this
We will not be the best team in the league for a long time.
thats one promise Proky I dont think will be able to keep. Just get over it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What I think is that there is almost no chance for us to be better than, say, the Lakers within 3 years.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you see us being as good as LA as they are right now in 3 years?
Because they are the best team in the NBA. I dont see us as the BEST in 3 years
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends 3 years is a long time
Artest is not going to be the same player,who knows what happens to Bynum Kobe will be like 37 I can definitely see it, we will be in Brooklyn and people will be knocking on our door to play for us in my eyes.
Well then, Proky and King need to pull rabitts out of hats for us to be the best in 3 years.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
umm
Melo isn’t good enough? Lebron, Kobe, and Durant aren’t available. John Wall isn’t available. Do you suggest we wait we can draft a MJ-caliber player? MIkhail isn’t doing his job unless we get the GOAT? What do you want to wait for? Hope that Terrence Williams and a lottery pick turn out better than Carmelo??? Carmelo isn’t top 3 in the league but he’s definitely top 10. Surround him with Devin, Brook, Favors, and shooters and why can’t we be an elite team?
Carmelo won’t punt you over the top. He has NEVER EVER put any NBA over the top, period. That’s a fact. The smart thing is to develop our kids and see how they do. An All Star caliber PG, a do-it-all wing who at worst is gonna be Iguodala 2 and a potential defensive stud PF is way better than Melo, who you know won’t take you anywhere near a championship.
People need to get over this star fever/ obsession. Melo is a BOGUS superstar.
Question:
What is the owner of the Nuggets’ financial situation? Does he count his pennies or does he not mind paying lots of luxury tax? I ask because if he is trying to save money, he’d want young, cheap talent + expiring deal. Or does he want another All-Star caliber player in return?
Also, when is Outlaw/Murphy tradeable? Considering they have no GM, who is going to make this deal? Could be a while. Maybe by the time they are ready to trade Carmelo, we can have more pieces available to trade?
If they want Harris, T-Will, Hump, Ross, 2-3 picks, cash… are you willing to have Jordan Farmar and Ben Uzoh running the point?
LAST ONE:What would the Rockets give up for Melo?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 18, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
No way.
Id expect at least 2 of those guys to go.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you
I keep thinking how great it will be to finally see this current squad play their first game of the season. Now, it looks like they want even make it to training camp.
Don’t mean to be a party pooper, but it is hard to jump on the Melo band wagon when we just got stampeded by LeBron on his way to join the Heat.
Denver can't ask for the world.
It’s obvious they are rebuilding. They need Cap space and some picks. Chicago can offer Deng and Gibson. I say we offer Harris Hump T-Will and 3 Picks.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Id offer that minus 1 pick
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We have to give up something
There is no chance at getting Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Durant Melo is next available star to a franchise that will need one going forward. We have to give up something to get him.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
So what is the most realistic
I’m okay giving up Twill if it gets us Melo but not favors no way
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 6:31 PM EDT reply actions
I love Twill potential
but if Melo is willing to come here than bye bye Twill.
Melo will lead to other stars. The things is not to give up too much now.
Twill and JR Smith on the same team????
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 18, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
This is the issue...
Are we in the top 4 on the east if we make this deal. We lose bench depth and perhaps even our starting line-up takes a hit. I just don’t want to give up the moon for a guy that might not put us over the top. I like Carmelo but for this team… I just don’t think he will play defense. Avery will have to do some job. Morrow will have to stay for sure since Carmelo is not really a shooter. I wonder what King is gonna do. I hope he does not do anything foolish.
by Chuck D. on Aug 18, 2010 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Right…. if it wee Free Agency, I do this in a HEARTBEAT! But I dont want to be a tam with a superstar and no much else.
by Tim823 on Aug 18, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, we'd be in the Top 4
If you can get one of the top 5 players in the NBA, especially at his position, you’ve changed the entire outlook of the franchise drastically.
nope, we wouldn't
at all
Miami, Orlando and Chicago would still be better than, and I could argue the Hawks would have more depth too.
And again, Melo is not even close to be a top 5 player in this league.
Devin Harris and Terrence Williams for Carmelo = All Star + Cap Space in 2011
I say we trade Devin Harris and Terrence Williams, plus our 2011 # 1 and the Golden State 2012 Protected #1 for Carmelo straight up.
Right now we are $4.5 million under the cap (assuming we DON’T pick up the “make goods” on Zoubek, Uzoh and May), so trading D. Harris and T. Williams (and their combined $11.1 million in salary) for Carmelo (and his $17.1 guaranteed in 2010-2011) will leave us $1.5 million under the cap for this season. We have $16.3 in expirings after this season (Murphy, Humps and Ross), so under this scenario we will be $17.8 million under the cap after this season, enough to go after another max free agent, or re-sign Murphy (at a lower price) and another non-max free agent (Tony Parker?)
I'd give up Harris and Twill and picks
if we could get Melo and Lawson
For the both of em, wed need to give more
Harris, Twill, 2 picks, Hump, cash
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
All we need to give up is...
Hump, Ross, Outlaw, cash and picks. They don’t need anything else because they are rebuilding now
lol if you were Denver would you take that back
Not even mention Harris Brook Favors T-will or James??
Denver would love to rebuild around Humpries and Ross
by Jack_Tripper on Aug 18, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
They dont need TALENT back?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
For example
Gallo, Curry (expiring), cash and picks is way more appealing than Outlaw, Hump/Ross (expiring), cash and picks. That leaves the Knicks with basically the same team, except with Galinari upgraded to Carmelo.
Are you serious?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 19, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically, you are stating that Gallo, Curry > Outlaw, Hump or Ross
I personally dont agree with that. I’d need convincing.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 20, 2010 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions
The difference in skill between Hump/Ross and Curry is not going to make a difference to the Nuggets; its their expiring contracts that matter, with Curry’s being much larger, and its unlikely that any would be resigned. And Gallinari is more appealing than Outlaw because he is younger, cheaper, has more upside, and is probably better right now (I don’t watch the Knicks or Blazers so I’m assuming based on stats).
I personally don’t think the Nuggets would take either deal. I was trying to point out that Nuggets aren’t going to take our crap for Melo when other teams are willing to offer more.
alright, I get your point
but I see no chance for either deal working out.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Nets are in prime position to make this deal
Lots of pieces to work with. I suppose even more when our new signings like Outlaw can be dealt.
Eww Celtics.
Easily the most annoying team in the NBA.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Knicks aside of course.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Watch it. Big Baby looks like he is ready to EAT YOU ALIVE!!
Beware of Big Baby!!
LMAO from CBS
“And when Houston moved Trevor Ariza in the four-team deal that brought them Courtney Lee, most overlooked the fact the Rockets snagged a $6.3 million trade exception. When dealing for Anthony, this could be massive. A simple deal of Shane Battier and Jared Jeffries goes through just fine for Anthony. And it makes sense too for both teams. Both Jeffries and Battier are expiring contracts, but they’re good players that could help fill the void of Anthony. If the Nuggets didn’t feel like that was enough, Houston could always toss in a player like Chase Budinger or Jermaine Taylor to add some more talent to the deal. "
HAHA wait throw in Jermaine Taylor and Chase Budinger deal breaker
The Nets from CBS
“As for the Nets, they have serious trade pieces that could bait the Nuggets into a deal. Devon Harris could be moved because of Jordan Farmar’s signing. Of course newly drafted Derrick Favors would certainly be an enticing piece. Or players like Terrance Williams and Brook Lopez could be dangled. Plus, as I mentioned earlier today, the fact the Nets are moving to Brooklyn, which happens to be ’Melo’s hometown. Then there’s the Jay-Z connection and the fact Anthony fits well. So the Nets are definitely a player in this.”
Add the draft picks and we have the best deal with the most individual talent and upside.
No, he couldn't
unless Denver was offering their 3 best players or more, but that is not happening.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Brook is never going to be moved.
Proky hangs up unless we get one billion dollars, LeBron and Kevin Durant.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
All I'm saying
If [Player Name] goes to Denver and Melo comes. Ticket sales. reputation, and total wins for the Nets go up. A lot.
You could put any player’s name in there and it holds true. Even Brook.
People need to get their facts straight, Brook isnt budging.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO opinion we have better assets than HOU simply because we are so young.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That's insulting to Brook.
A player unestablished who is high ceiling high RISK being in the same category as an upcoming young stud is a no.
I love how people’s master plan is literally depending on Favors reaching his ceiling when he has a high chance of busting. Whatever. Thank you for Proky.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
For The Fans who know about there teams situation I have a question for y’all.
Every Net fan knows point blank that we’re struggling with our front court via Power Forward position. I fail to realize why the majority of you continue to bring up Derrick Favors name who has major upside in a package deal for Anthony?
Seriously somebody help me with this. Why would the Nets Deal Favors or even Brook Lopez for Anthony?? Anybody? Are y’all that desperate for a superstar player???
lol, no. I would not trade Brook or Derrick unless it was for a "I'd chop my left nut off for this" type of deal.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Read a scouting report on Favors.
And convince me that you know without a doubt Favors will reach his potential.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I have No Reason To Do That...............................
So you tell me Drizzzy We Package Away Derrick Favors for Anthony right? Can you fill in the gap for who’s going to take over the 4 for us in the future? And please please please don’t tell me Murphy because you’ll be kidding yourself???
LOL.
read my post again. Read it twice. Now read it again. Now read your post. What you said had nothing to do with anything.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Now to answer.
I don’t know what the package will be because U’m not a GM. So I’m not going to predict anything because it’s basically impossible.
And to counter your last question, what if Favors busts/ Who’s the PF of the future?
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
That's a good question.
Idk but from what I’ve seen IMO he’s nowhere near being a bust and I personally think he could break out by January.
immaterial
scouting reports available on the internet are written by writers, most of them either poorly paid or volunteers.
the real scouting reports, done by professional scouts, are not available.
Straw man =/
Their job or position within anything does not make their arguments invalid.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
number of times
a top five pick still on his rookie contract was traded for a superstar: 0
it’s about picks and players who are established like Harris (for Kidd) and Odom (for Shaq).
(Players with expiring contracts are marked with an asterisk)
—June 25, 2009: The Orlando Magic acquired Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson from the New Jersey Nets for Courtney Lee, Tony Battie* and Rafer Alston*. The Nets also acquired two trade exceptions, one for $1.23 million (which was used to acquire Chris Quinn) and the other for $3.73 million (which was used to acquire Kris Humphries).
—February 18, 2008: The Dallas Mavericks acquired Jason Kidd, Malik Allen*, and Antoine Wright* from the New Jersey Nets for Devin Harris, DeSagana Diop*, Trenton Hassell, Maurice Ager, a signed and traded Keith Van Horn*, two future first round picks, and cash considerations believed to be $3 million. The Nets also received a $3.3 million trade exception (which was used to sign and trade Keyon Dooling).
—February 2, 2008: The Los Angeles Lakers acquired Pau Gasol and a 2010 second round draft pick from the Memphis Grizzlies for Kwame Brown*, Javaris Crittenton, a signed and traded Aaron McKie*, the draft rights to the #48 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, Marc Gasol, and two future first round picks.
—July 31, 2007: The Boston Celtics acquired Kevin Garnett from the Minnesota Timberwolves for Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green*, Al Jefferson, Theo Ratliff*, Sebastian Telfair, the return to Minnesota of the future first round pick that was initially traded to Boston on January 26, 2006, and a future first round pick from Boston. Simultaneous with the trade, Kevin Garnett removed his ability to opt out after the 2007-2008 season and then signed a multi-year contract extension with the Boston Celtics which will begin in the 2009-2010 season.
—June 28, 2007: The Boston Celtics acquired Ray Allen and the draft rights to the #35 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, Glen Davis, from the Seattle Supersonics for Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, the draft rights to the #5 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft, Jeff Green, and the better of Boston’s own 2008 second round pick and Portland’s own 2008 second round pick
— December 17, 2004: The New Jersey Nets acquired Vince Carter from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams and two first-round draft picks.
—December 19, 2006: The Denver Nuggets acquired Allen Iverson and Ivan McFarlin* from the Philadelphia 76ers for Andre Miller, Joe Smith*, and two 2007 first round draft picks.
—July 15, 2004: The New Jersey Nets signed Kenyon Martin to a seven-year, $91 million contract with a $1.5 million signing bonus and a player option after the 6th season, then traded him to Denver for three future first round picks. The Nets also received a $5.2 million trade exception (which was used to acquire Marc Jackson after the Shareef Abdur Rahim deal fell apart.)
—July 14, 2004: The Los Angeles Lakers traded Shaquille O’Neal to the Miami Heat for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant*, and a future first round draft pick.
by Net Income on Aug 18, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
rec this post so everyone notices it
This is why I say that including Lopez or Favors in a deal is way too much. We can still give Denver a solid offer without including them.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 19, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
If Melo was smart (which I doubt) he would want to limit the teams to be traded to be the Knicks and Nets.
That way the Nets wouldn’t have to give up as much and therefore he would have a better chance at winning a championship.
If Melo opens up bidding to more teams, the price tag will go way up for his services. The loser will be Melo.
I would give up Outlaw and Murphy + draft picks.
If Nets got Melo for little, then those draft picks wouldn’t be needed anyway.
Lopez, Melo, Favors, TWill and DHarris.
Not bad in 2 years.
I'm just watching Just Wright now
And are they really showing the Izod Center sold out?
This really is great fiction!
Never saw that.
Any good?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Put it this way...
Bobby Simmons is on the NBA All Star team…
by eLonepb on Aug 18, 2010 8:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 18, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Who?
Couldn’t they find Real NBA players.
Did he used to play in the NBA?
LOL
My Wife Loves that movie. Seen it a MILLION TIMES. Lawrence Frank was in the movie too they cut him out when they fired him. Even Thorn is in there. Guess it was real easy to shoot at the Izod no concern about hoards of Nets fans. Izod sold out? Gotta love that CGI special effects…lol At this point gotta love the ending tho… NETS beat HEAT on a game winning shot in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals!!!!!!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
People need to stop adding pictures to a post thats almost 1000 comments strong. Not all of us have super computers.
Seems to be he thing to do these days.
THE BIG QUESTION IS
How do we get both Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul?
… and how do we get both of them without trading Brook Lopez?
That’s the big question cause without both we’re still not a championship contender.
So can someone please tell me the scenario where the Nets can acquire both players?
Is there any combination of packages we can offer (without Lopez) that might get it done?
That depands on what you want?
If you just want to be a playoff team, you’re right, we don’t need Paul.
If you want to beat the Heat, Lakers, Magic, etc … IOW’s have a championship team … then IMO we need Paul too … Carmelo AND Paul.
Considering what we would have to give up
we won’t be that “championship team” either way
Damion James .....
Needs to Stay….even if we don’t get Carmel Apple……James will be a star…A young Star…..I like Harris but I’d rather he goes and we keep DJames…..(And Favors)…….Get the rights to Rubio……
Rubio’s ceiling is probably white chocolate level.
by strange-brew on Aug 18, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
dude I am the biggest D James fan....I love this kids make up
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I'd do
Murphy, Twill, Outlaw and 2 first round picks.. Only if he would sign of course. Imagine a front line of Favors, Brook and Melo with Devin and Morrow… and still have Farmar and D James off the bench.. Niiiice
I wonder.......
If some of our players can’t be traded yet ????……
My wife and I.......
went to the Carnival……..I got a Snow Cone and she got a Carmel Anthony………..
What about....
Adding Boone, Hayes in a S&T:
Hayes ($2-3 mil), + Boone ($1-3 mil) + TWill + Hump + DJames + 2 or 3 picks + Cash
for… Carmelo
thoughts?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 19, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
With potential depth chart of
Harris / Farmar / Uzoh
Morrow / Ross
Anthony / Outlaw
Murphy / Favors
Lopez / Petro / Zoubek
by corky_romano4life on Aug 19, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
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