Avery, Mikhail: Very Good Moves, Billy: Not So Good, Say ESPN 'Minds'
by Net Income on Aug 17, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
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PrintThe ESPN "Best Basketball Minds" continue. In Tuesday's segment, ESPN's 93 "Minds" examine ownership, management and coaching changes in the NBA.
Nets score high in ownership and management change (Mikhail Prokhorov for Bruce Ratner), finishing a close second to the Warriors' switch, while coaching (Avery Johnson for Kiki Vandeweghe) was also ranked second, behind the Bulls'. But the "Minds" called Billy King for Rod Thorn the summer's single worse management move, and by a 2-1 margin.
Meanwhile, Mike Fratello tells Nets Are Scorching how he thinks Johnson will run the Nets. " Johnson will try to establish a defensive presence at one end of the floor, and at the other end explore his transition opportunities with a guy like Devin Harris who has speed and quickness to push the ball and penetrate."
- Summer Forecast: Best, worst management moves - ESPN
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- Mike Fratello Interview - Sebastian Pruiti - Nets Are Scorching
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Something tells me we will be pleasantly surprised by King's actions in his time with the Nets.
Consequences will never be the same.
Yes, I noticed that as well.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 17, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
King has done well so far
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
King's first move is much better than Thorn
Because Thorn had never done a solid trade that could make this team better in recent years. Thorn doesn’t know how to make a trade that bring some solid role players to help this team. Troy Murphy is just at that level could help.
Warriors management may have been bad
But getting Prohky in and the rat out has to be the best ownership change. Ratner didn’t give a damn about this team, he’s admitted it was just part of his business plan.
Cohan has been running Golden State into the ground for the past decade and a half though
A lot more history there to wash away.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Avery will surprise some people.He is a great coach, and with our current squad could extract the most talent out of our players. I gree with the Czar, he will make defense a prioity at one end and then play a little run and game. inside out out, and isolations for TWill( who i believe will be one of our highest scorers this year)
And about the Blazers management change
I like Rich Cho a lot, I liked him for us. Pritchard is great, don’t get me wrong, but this Cho guy is a basketball genius.
Also, I’d like to know the idiot who voted Proky coming in was a bad change.
Consequences will never be the same.
I would not be surprised if it was Jon Barry.
He seems to be a Net hater.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 17, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if Mikhail and Avery were very good moves...
And even though Thorn acquired Billy King, you would have to think Mikhail and Avery approved of King. Plus I doubt King just goes out and does what he wants without input or marching orders coming from key players in Nets management.. When King was hired Proky stated that Kings good standing and relations around the league was a key to his hiring. If you ever ran a fantasy sports team you know how that works. Some owners you love to deal with and others are a pain in the butt. You tend to deal with the one’s you get along well with. Maybe that’s why King was invited into that four team trade last week. Sometimes it’s better to be well liked then to be the smartest guy in the room.
i still believe
that teams were getting tired of Thorn fleecing them…..
i dont mind King at all….basically a puppet for Avery…..which at this point…..dont mind….. that culd change later on…..but overall….i thnk the Nets will prove a lot
I dont' believe King is a puppet...
I think Porky will run the Nets like one of his business’s. Everybody will have their assigned role. He will probably have checks and balances within his management team. I believe that is one of the big reasons Thorn left. Rod was used to calling all of the shots on the basketball end of things.
Thorn made some nice moves while with the Nets...
But we still finished behind all those teams he “fleeced”. I know the last few years his hands were tied but I never considered him a mastermind G.M.
Agreed Proky even said himself
He lets people do what they are paid to do, worst thing is someone with a lot of money who is not plugged in everyday to just start making gut moves.
According to CDS Sports’ Ken Berger, Melo wants to go to NY or Orlando.
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/23943102
“Anthony’s hesitation to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Nuggets goes beyond his desire to enjoy the major-market exposure and pressure that LeBron James and Dwyane Wade turned down this summer. Melo would accept other destinations as well, and the Magic are believed to be at the top of his list along with the Knicks, according to a person familiar with his strategy.
The exit strategy began taking shape last week, while Anthony was in New York for Nike’s World Basketball Festival. It was then, according to the source, that Nuggets management was advised to begin exploring trade possibilities for Anthony to avoid losing him as a free agent and getting nothing in return. When Denver fills its vacant GM position, the likely choice, former Suns executive David Griffin, will inherit a crisis similar to the one he endured with Amar’e Stoudemire, who left the Suns for a five-year, $99.9 million deal with the Knicks."
That's it. Pack it in, folks. Everyone wants to take their talents to sunny Florida.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 17, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not if Denver is smart and does something about it instead of losing him for less with a sign and trade
Maybe they get a young player and more assets with an in-season trade than they do with a summer sign and trade where they have even less leverage
what young players do Orlando have that they can afford to deal?
And NY would have to gut themselves since they have no draft picks to deal
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Vince Carer's practically expiring contract is the big chip there
Since the next year is not guaranteed. Remember, they want financial flexibility, not equal value. Vince is a huge “expiring” contract
Brandon Bass, Ryan Anderson, Marcin Gortat, Redick, Orton are viable candidates for throw-ins to trades as well.
ah!
I forgot that VC’s last year is not guaranteed. When does it become guaranteed???
Huge chip. Orlando needs to hop on it but I don’t think their picks will be worth Denver giving in
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
June 30, 2011 I believe
Gotta buy him out by then or you’re paying 18 million. I think we can expect to see VC in a new uniform by this time next year
no we wouldnt
No doubt Melo wants to go to NYK. No doubt. In last year of his deal, he’s got good leverage too.
via chris broussard
David Stern is going to shut this down
when negotiations begin on the new CBA. I have already heard rumblings. This is not good for the league long term. He knows it. He never intended for his league to be like MLB, where a few teams get all the good players and the rest are just filler. It’s one of the reasons I don’t like baseball — the inequities. Stern has always talked about having a league where every team has an opprotunity to be successful, and now that’s becoming less and less the case.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
by BigTom on Aug 17, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is why I despise the idea of "superteams"
Not only is the process of forming them nothing short of underhanded, it’s going to kill the league. parity in the NBA was already bad but this makes it worse.
The NFL is the only league that can truly tout that they have parity regardless of a few franchises that remain bottom feeders due to mismanagement
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
There is more likely to be a hard salary cap than no cap at all
I have seen both possibilities floated lately. Of course, there will be some kind of a compromise on both sides — always are. How to prevent players calling the shots and holding teams hostage? How about a new rule that teams can only have two max contract guys — if a third wants to jump into the fray, he has to take a specifically-scaled down reduction from the max. Result: won’t see too many superteams anymore.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
yeah
because this will be the 3rd team destroyed this summer, followed shortly by New Orleans in about a year when Paul tells them to kiss his rear end
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not that I feel sorry for them
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
How about a cap waiver
You can designate a couple of players and can offer double the max but not pay a tax.
Um...
Stern can’t do anything. The Nuggets, just like the Hornets, Raptors, and Cavs, had 7+ years to build around their superstars. It’s not like superstars are leaving 2 years in. To build a super team, you also need to sacrifice years. Look at the Celtics, Lakers, Heat before they got good. Celtics were so terrible year in and year out that they were stacked with enough lottery picks to trade for Allen and KG while keeping Perkins and Rondo. Heat were so bad that the whole team expired this year. If they struck out in free agency they would’ve been set back for YEARS.
Cleveland, Denver, and NO were lucky to draft such great players. Those great players leaving after 7 years isn’t a tragedy. Look how happy Durant is. He signed his extension immediately. Kobe wavered a bit but he’s been a Laker for life. Same with Duncan. Only thing they have in common is that they were on teams that did a good job building around them. That’s how you shut down superstars bolting. No need for silly rules.
Has Alot to do with being a WINNING Player too...
Someone who performs well in the clutch. Kobe and Duncan are Winning players who bought into thier teams and systems. They all made efforts to build around these guys it never worked out. You can critisize in hindsite but efforts were made. The Nuggets got Allen Iverson, Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby, Andre Miller and Chauncey Billups to play with Melo it didnt get done. Lebron had Shaq, Wally serbiak, Larry Hughes, Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison. 2 60+win teams. It didn’t get done. Alot of team building is variable unknowns. You never know about injuries nor do you know how players will blend on and off the court.
OKC had the privelidge of drafting Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Jeff Green in the top ten in seperate drafts because they had to endure the loosing. As soon as these kids start loosing they want out ASAP. XChicago with Rose, Deng and Noah all top ten guys.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
"Magic or Knicks are at the top of his list"
I bet all these reporters just saved their Chris Paul stories on their hard drives last week, opened them up this week, and ran a macro to replace “Chris Paul” with “Carmelo Anthony”. People need to start ignoring these things until we see a definitive “_______ SIGNS WITH _______” or “_ traded to ______”.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 17, 2010 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brook has to explode this year
Everyone wants to go to Orlando for largely one reason. Dwight Howard. To play with the best center in the league who as a bonus will not take away from their offense.
He wants to go to New York for the city and his friendship with Amare. Well we can offer him the city soon, but can we offer a guy he can pair up with? That’s the key here.
Totally agree
If I’m LeBron and really wanted to win titles I would have signed with Orlando somehow. Stern is going to close this window fast. It’s ruining the league. Melo won’t go to Orlando unless he’s getting paid what he wants but he needs them more than they need him, imo. They’ll still need a PF. I say we will not sign a decent FA or better until the end of next year. We’re still in NJ with a 12 win team. I’d rather see Favors explode and dream about it everyday.
good
now we can stop talking about him
It’s funny how these guys want to go to Orlando. Orlando is nothing compared to New York(or New Jersey for that matter), but I don’t blame them.
Orlando has no assets to trade though from what I can recall, unless they deal off VC’s expiring deal, Lewis has way too many years on his deal and he’s a bum. Have fun with that. Clearly if this information is legit, then Paul and Anthony are in collusion since Paul allegedly had Orlando on his list of teams. This makes New Orleans look STUPID for trading Collison because Paul is going where ever Anthony goes. Larry Bird robbed them blind and helped us. Kudos to all
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does it extend till 12-13?
And 4 million is still a relatively small price to pay for that financial relief if you can’t get a better offer from say New York or something
Why would they trade Melo's expiring deal for VC's (which has a few mil left in 2012)?
Keeping Melo and then losing him would be better than trading him for VC… same “nothing” outcome.
Not to mention that Denver already has Melo, KMart, JR Smith, and Afflalo coming off the books after this year, anyway. They could start rebuilding almost immediately. They’ll be looking for draft picks and young players more than expiring contracts.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 17, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll need larger expiring contracts to make the deal go through, yes...
But Melo for Vince works straight up, and Orlando has pretty much nothing else to offer since most of their contracts are ridiculous. I’m speaking only about Denver trading for VC… I haven’t given much thought to any other teams… Somewhere like Houston, for example, would have a much better shot at getting a deal done since they have a decent amount of young guys they could package with Jeffries’s expiring contract that would work out.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 17, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but they still won't be enough to be competitive
They have to get lucky in the draft again, no big time free agent is coming there in my eyes.
Same way with us the last few years. Just build through the draft. When you get good, or when you get a good player, the free agents will come
Denver is in a pretty good place rebuildingwise this summer if they decide to blow it up. KMart is coming off the books, Anthony’s salary, Nene could opt out (not sure if he’ll walk away from 12 million with the CBA), Billups has a buyout, JR smith is a free agent. They saddled with a ton of contracts at least
Fratello on Williams:
Through the learning process and his growth as a player, hopefully he comes back this year and becomes a more consistent player as his decision-making, his understanding of when to shoot and when to pass improve. And blessed with the athleticism that he has and the strength that he has, he could be a lockdown defender if he concentrates on it and exerts the effort over longer periods of time to close his man out.
Exactly.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
You forgot this highlight just before that one...
Terrence Williams is blessed with great athleticism and at times he would wow you with individual plays that he would make.
As far as ESPN's "minds" go...
…who are these “minds”?
I can’t trust the same “news” outlet that allowed that dirtbag Tedy Bruschi to get on TV last night and toss the NY Giants under the bus wrongfully because he was still pissed off that he and his Patriots got owned in 2007. I’m tired of ESPN, their money driven agendas, and their non objective take on everything in the world of sports.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
unbelievable
You’d think that there wouldn’t be people out there that are really that stupid, yet, there are.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's stupid
It’s more about hatred or poor respect for a person and/or organization.
It wouldn’t matter how good or bad we do, haters just gunna hate.
Here are the
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 17, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
’nuff said
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Barry is a Nets hater
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 17, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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that's a hard working kid right there
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 17, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
hate those red jerseys
everyone is going to back to the retro jerseys…utah and now clippers are the latest
nets should go back to there retro jerseys with a little twist to them.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I think that Avery Johnson will try to establish a defensive presence at one end of the floor, and at the other end explore his transition opportunities with a guy like Devon Harris who has speed and quickness to push the ball and penetrate and get in the lane, creating shots not only for himself, but for his teammates as well. The Nets are trying to become a more athletic team.
Yes Mike. But the biggest addition ($$$) is both a very poor defender, and not fleet of foot.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Completely, but lumbering to the three point line does not fall in line with Fratello’s overall theme of these new Nets. So either Fratello doesn’t know what he is talking about as a point of emphasis, or Murphy isn’t a super fit.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 17, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Every article I read that supports the super teams
keeps saying there are too many teams in the NBA.
Code for some of the weaker and smaller market teams have to go.
As Dollar said the NBA has turn to a fraternity players want to play with their buddy or someone make the game easier.
No one wants to struggle they want to WIN NOW.
These so called super stars don’t care about young talent or potential they want someone to help them win now.
They don’t want a future all star they want an already proven star.
With the exception of Durant.
Chris Paul and Melo toasted to this and look both are trying to leave before the season.
Lebron changed the game.
Miami is looked at as the future power house now it’s you get your three vs our three.
You can’t sell these players unless you have proven players.
As I said forget Melo let him run to the Knicks we are a playoff team and we will be fine.
As for King his first move was great.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 17, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
the CBA battle
will be between big market teams and small market teams as much as it will be between the players and the owners.
Nets are not a big market team with a rich owner. Nets may be in a year or two threatening to be a super team with New York, a new arena and a mega rich owner.
exactly
as andres say lets play this out with our team right now.
We are a playoff team as it is.
King who has proved me wrong has made a spectacular move. Murphy who is high reward low risk move.
Things don’t work out he is gone plus cap space.
Now Melo can see what we have and understand we will be better than his current team.
He could be the last piece.
or
he could follow his comrades and try the easy way. Which is not guaranteed.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 17, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
MAAAAAAAAANNNNN
I just want the preseason to start so see we can see what we have, enough of this talk and rumors I just wanna see Favors, James, T-will,Morrow, Murphy play together. Jets Giants game has left me wanting more dammit, I need some basketball lol.
by Atronic on Aug 17, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hope he goes to the Knicks.
Two guys who need the ball, who think of D as a time to rest for their next shot and a coach who’s thinking what a lucky guy I am. He’ll never win a title with those two.
I'm sick of hearing this crap.....
Please Stop……We weren’t getting that cleveland guy nor that toronto guy and we sure as heck are not getting that candy bar guy…….Let’s move on….We don’t need them and their overblown salaries anyways…Soon we will be the team to beat and they will all want to play here and we won’t need them…..We acquired Troy Murphy and we have the number three pick in the draft….Be Happy……
D.James will be the next………..?
your thoughts??
I dont know who to compare him too so far. he seems to be able to score with ease like melo but boards and plays much better defense. he has no real handles from what i see so far though.
I see him starting B4 favors also. I can def see him putting Outlaw to the bench.
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