NBC Sports: Morrow's Career Will "Really Begin" in New Jersey
by Net Income on Aug 14, 2010 10:39 AM EDT
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PrintHe was undrafted, didn't even make Chad Ford's Top 100 Prospects in 2008. Then Anthony Morrow burst on the scene, scoring 37 points (and grabbing 11 rebounds) in his first NBA start for the Warriors.
Now, that he's joined the Nets, NBC Sports' Rob Mahoney thinks it's only just begun for Morrow.
Predicting that he, not Terrence Williams, will get the bulk of the minutes left behind by Courtney Lee, Mahoney writes that despite the hype, Don Nelson's teams were never as fast-paced as Avery Johnson's, adding "Brook Lopez's presence may be the most significant (factor), as having an effective interior big can give Morrow and his three-point shooting counterparts all the open air they need."
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remember this
when Johnson was asked who his starters will be, he said that he wasn’t sure at the 4 and that Lee would likely start, but that Morrow could come in and surprise.
It’s called competition. It makes you better.
I also wouldnt be surprised
if one of the camp invites was a shooting guard. Nor would I be surprised to hear a trade rumor about a shooting guard. Not a starting level shooting guard, but a back-up.
Why not a starting level?
Neither Morrow or T.Williams are starting quality (yet) and neither are paid like one.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
unless they can steal Rudy Fernandez
i cant think of anyone…and I dont think Rudy is that much better than either of those guys. May not be as good.
I don't like
the fact that he’s become too much of a 3 pt specialist. He’s a good shooter, but he needs to improve his shot selection a lot. It’s atrocious. I don’t think we really need someone like him now we signed Morrow.
I like Rudy
And did list NJ as a team he would like to play for.. may be worth the risk. I don’t think it would take much to get him..
Humphries + 2nd rounder?
Portland needs a back-up PF and Rudy just recently was caught whining to the Spanish media.
Rudy is a lot more versatile than Morrow.
Worse come to worse he’ s an asset or can be cut or let walk.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They need another big because of injuries
but not badly if every stays healthy which isn’t likely Oden, Pryzbilla, Camby, and Alrdige.
Wouldn't it create
an overload of guards again thats why they got rid of Lee right?
What
position do you think the Nets will improve or are they solid enough just to develope all the talent they have and stick with everyone they havefor years to come?If T.O. and T.W. have solid numbers on good shooting this year 15 5 2 and 15 5 5 starting respectfully and Anthony and Horford were available and Murphy decides he doesn’t want to come back for whatever reason who do you think they should go after Anthony(if he wants to come) or Horford(If Atlanta is in a tough financial situation).
Yup
He’s going to start because of Derrick Favors
Favors has no go to moves and needs spacing when he is playing with the second unit Morrow will be the one that gives it to him with his ability to shoot. James could shoot and so can Farmar. Shooters in first unit 4-Harris, Outlaw, Murphy and even Lopez can shoot from 16-20 feet. There would only be two shooters in the second unit if T-wILL does’nt start James and Farmar at 38% thats not good so T-Will is starting.
the spacing on the floor would be incredible with morrow , murphy, and outlaw all guys who can stretch the floor.
leaving harris and brook to play the pick and roll to perfection.
the only thing is the lack of ballhandling from the starters .
T-will might be served better
coming off the bench where he can be a scorer and passer . i think would sync better with farmar. i can’t wait to see some exhibitions and different lineups.
by Hollywoodnet on Aug 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
He is a matchup nightmare. let him come in when the advantage is his. Will get 25+ minutes a night and show is full game. The only reason he starts would be if the first team defense was so weak we had to make a change…..so Murphy over Favors plus Morrow over TWILL could be to much to give up on the defensive side.
I agree with this
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 14, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny thing about this article,
no where does it say he starts.
LOL!!!!!!!
Of course Morrow would get the bulk of Lee’s minutes because he is a SG. This article doesnt say much.
no
I said that the article implies it…without saying it.
Should be a great competition. Different players at the same position.
I pretty much assume that the starting job is up for grabs at the two
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 14, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Now this is a good problem to have.
Sort of like when you’re asked what flavor ice cream do you want for dessert? Doesn’t matter, it’s all good!
as long as it isn't strawberry
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
… or we pull another trade to fill the SG hole. But this one is much easier than getting that big man.
No? Then why are we talking about it? With the talent we have we’re almost mediocre. I’m happy, but not satisfied. Where do you think we need to improve to move up?
No need to do anything until after the season begins.
Maybe TWill and Morrow will be just fine.
There is more concern to make sure we are prepared at the Center position to start the season.
I like...
what we bring at the 2, with TWill and Morrow. Two very different but very talented players. I hope that Avery is flexible enough to vary their use based on match ups, and to use them together at least some of the time. I think that with a couple more years in the league for each of them, that combination may well be good enough to hold down the 2—guard spot on a championship contender.
and dont forget Farmar
he was the leading three point shooter on the Lakers. He can play the off guard.
Defensively even?
I’m not sold on Farmar as a shooter.
When you play with Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Bynum, in the triangle offense you’re going to get open looks all day.
Let’s see him do those in a more traditional offense with only one team that requires a double team.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
One Player* that requires a double team
Lopez
Harris and T.Williams can draw defenders, but Lopez is our only player worth double teaming.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
teams began packing the paint against Harris....
….towards the 2nd half of his all star season and all of last year.
They won’t do that this year with Outlaw and Morrow sitting there on the arc
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
it will be beautiful
the way the bombs will fall. Maybe Devin can get some clean lay ups this year
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because he is in at the SG position doesnt really mean he will have to Gaurd the SG of the other team
They can switch on each side of the ball.
That would mean
Harris would have to defend SGs.
I think either one guarding SGs puts us at a disadvantage.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
When you play with Kobe, Gasol, Odom, Bynum, in the triangle offense you’re going to get open looks all day.
His basic “job” in the triangle was to walk the ball up the court and stand at the three point line on the weakside and wait to take a three. He couldn’t win that “job” despite being more athletic than Fisher, a better shooter by percentage than Fish and Brown, in 3 years. The reason for this is a). he hated it, b), he isn’t a great defender of any size (Brown) c) and was a very streaky shooter (he had good months – not great, but good – but then bad ones). All in all he really just was not a triangle PG. To try and turn him into any of the things he did poorly with at LA (off-ball 3pt shooter, defender of size among them) would be a waste. He is a penetrator, tempo setter and creator who can shoot/score pretty well.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he was the leading three point shooter on the Lakers. He can play the off guard.
this is really not the case. He “can” play SG, and he was a three point shooter, but he is not a very good shooter (very streaky in months, good and bad, which is not what you want), nor does he have the strength or size to guard 2 guards. In fact anytime a PG had any strength Phil would bench him for the rather inconsistent Brown (who wasn’t even a good defender). He might be able to play spot minutes, but he came here as a floor general (or so he was told). In fact he seemed to be told that when he and Harris were on the court, Harris would be the 2 guard.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that's right
We need Farmar to play point behind/with Devin. Devin can play some SG though.
this team is pretty versatile
once Harris and Williams figures out what they need to do as a tandem, we’ll be even better. That is something to keep an eye on. We have to have them both on the floor at the same time, especially if Harris is focusing on defense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Not necessary. Either one can drive and dish.
But can TWill run that PNR with Brook, Murphy, or Favors? Will Twill be a consistent threat from 12-15 feet on that option?
It will be even better this year for T-will
Running it with Boone and Yi is pretty difficult, one sets horrible picks (Yi) the other can’t shoot. Looks like his jumper improved in summer league.
he is not a good shooter
and yet he led the world champions in three point percentage…and was used in that very role.
ALL three point shooters are streaky. Ask Ray Allen.
You seldom watched the Lakers or followed them, I suspect. All he had to do was shoot dependably and defend the point modestly and he would have had the job. He didn’t want to fun that offense, would freelance, and was not a good enough shooter. Basically the Lakers were trying to find a solution for him weakness for the last two years, and if Vujacic hadn’t dropped off the planet after a very good distance shooting year he would have taken Farmar’s spot in the rotation.
You have to understand the context of who he was playing instead of (all bad shooters), how minor a role it is in that offense, and how badly he was perceived as filling it. He basically left the best team in the league and came to the worst team in the league ONLY because he didn’t want that job anymore, and they were not really thrilled with him in the first place.
And no, Farmar is not “streaky” like Ray Allen is streaky. He is streaky like “that was a nice month, wish he could do that all the time”. Ray Allen is streaky like, “well, he basically won half our games for us that month”. When you look at streaks you have to see what the high and the low is.
Further, he cannot guard the 2. End of story.
But it is a waste to really debate it much because you haven’t really watched him over his career I suspect, and you are drawing conclusions from afar. His game will be very obvious to you once you see him everyday for a month. It has strengths (which haven’t been shown), but it also has some significant weaknesses. You will laugh that you were thinking of him guarding 2 guards back in August. And I don’t think you are going to love him as a straight shooter. Whenever the ball left his hand as a Laker there was never really confidence that it was going in. But you’ll see what I mean soon enough. Stats don’t really tell the story.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 14, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
to add...
…its just very hard to extrapolate statistically (or even in terms of scouting) from point guard play from the Laker’s triangle. For instance, and I have brought this up, Smush Parker was the starting PG for the Lakers for two years (2005-2007), and he basically shot what Farmar shot the last two years (.366 to .336 and.376), with substantially more minutes (30+ instead of 18+). One could easily say that he had much better years than Farmar has just had. Now nobody felt that Smush Parker was a “good shooter” and in fact this was proven when he left the Lakers. He bounced around with three teams the next year, and then was out of the league. This last year he played in China still only 28 years old.
To extrapolate statistically from a 18 minute a night PG performance “for the world champions”, shooting the three in the mid 30s into the idea that he could play SG is a mistake.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 14, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
you....
….could give him a chance to show what he can do outside of the confines of the triangle.
I don’t know if he can play the two, so I agree with you in that aspect.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the Morrow/TWill combination at shooting guard. Another guy I wouldn’t be surprised to see some minutes is Ross who is the best defender we have there now. Avery played Adrian Griffin over some more talented players in Dallas and he could do the same thing here with Ross if he is unhappy with the defensive commitment of Morrow/TWill. But I’m hoping TWill steps it up this year and earns the 25+ minutes per game.
Ross is the wild card
he has quick feet, knows how to play defense and he too can shoot a bit from deep. Not great in any other offensive category: ball-handling, passing, rebounding.
But I can see him playing some minutes in an Avery Johnson coached team.
we need Ross
someone has to be the defensive dirty work guy on the perimeter. The fact that he can hit threes makes him an even better asset.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ross
Haven’t seen Ross play much.
I really hope that along with Avery being a good coach and motivator, that a guy like Ross shows Williams that defensive effort will keep him on the court, and that a guy like Morrow shows Williams how to work on that jumper. You can tell I want Williams to develop into a good two-way player at SG for the Nets, although I probably don’t know what I’m talking about.
I don't know where this came from but Ross is not
a reliable 3 point shooter guys. He has made 49 in 6 YEARS. With a career high of 33, Simmons almost hit that many last year and he didn’t play.
He is not a good midrange shooter or 3 point shooter for that matter.
He is an effort player dating back to his Clipper days. That is it.
Agree, More Net Dreaming - people just glance at some stats and start fantasy basketball
Net Income – Ross is the wildcard he has quick feet, knows how to play defense and he too can shoot a bit from deep.
MrDollarBills – We need Ross someone has to be the defensive dirty work guy on the perimeter. The fact that he can hit threes makes him an even better asset.
Someone just saw the 3pt % 42 and 37 and didn’t look at the attempts. Not only has he only made 49 3s in 6 years – Ryan Anderson made 78 last year – in Dallas at SF where he played the most he was a staggering – 13 PER vs opponents. And at shooting guard at Washington a -5. In Memphis the year before he was -8.6 and -4.8 (SG, SF respectively). The year before for the Clippers (where he made 9 threes), his PER vs at SG was – 7.2.
He basically is outplayed by whomever he is put against by position and hardly shoots the three. Sure sounds like we “need” Ross.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
no one said that he's a marksman
We’re stating that he can defend, and can at least hit a three probably one out of three tries. It’s not like he’s going to be playing 36 minutes a night, he’s a utility player to be used in spot minutes. The main emphasis of both of those quotes was…gasp…his defense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah...
As I point out, statistically at least, he actually can’t “defend” which is to say, it isn’t a
superstrength. He’s a significant minus PER vs. for the last three years. As for him being able to hit a three, come on now. He has averaged 8 threes a year for his 6 year career, bringing up his outside shooting as he can “shoot a bit from deep” or “he can hit threes makes him an even better asset” is damn silly, especially when you conclude because of this “we need Ross” or “he is the wild card” as both of you guys floated out there.
If this guy “can hit threes” then something like 85% of the league can hit threes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 15, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
at Chris
I think Ross is gonna be this year’s Hassell. He can come in and play tough defense if we need him bc of injuries or any other reason, and if he doesn’t get PT he won’t complain.
in all honesty I hope not
as much as I like Hassell, he should never had had that many minutes last year.
at least he's out from under the bus
Where he’s been thrown so often.
by aunt-B on Aug 14, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Morrow
Its hard to think TWill will start over Morrow. His jump shot is too valuable to Brook and the efficeiency of the Nets offense. TWill and Farmar are suited better for the bench because both can play pg and sg. The bench is the key to the Nets.
TWill 1 rd 6th
SMay 1st rd 5th
DFavors 1st rd 3rd
Farmar 1st rd 26
There is serious talent on the bench and TWill is in a prime spot to make a some serious progress. TWill has to play better with Derrick Favors.
letting TWill start
would also give Farmar a better chance to run the 2nd unit and show his playmaking abilities than if TWill was coming off the bench.
many combinations
Harris – TWill, Farmar – TWill, Harris – Farmar, Morrow – Harris, Morrow – TWill, Morrow – Farmar…etc., etc.
yes! one of the things I like most about this roster...
…is the multiple potential combinations we have
yup!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 14, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes - I like the guards.
I like the versatility of the 4 they got: Harris, Farmar, Williams and Morrow. It is imperative though that Harris return to a high caliber of play in that group.
Ross and Uzoh can warm the bench. I do like them though. Practice hard, play in garbage time in blowouts wins.
agreed about Harris
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry but
you really dont make much of an argument why Morrow should start.
Most of the games last year after the 1st quarter we were behind. When a team puts up 30+ points on you in the 1st quarter, I think it has more to do with a lack of defense then a lack of offense. Even if Morrow can prove he plays better defense then Twill, Morrow is first SG off the bench. Morrow cant duplicate Twill’s athleticism, play making and strong attacking the rim offense.
it's a completely different team
comparing things to last year misses the point. there is virtually no comparison.
ALL NEW (for real).
Noone can really predict what will happen.
T.Will – 11th
May – 13th
But still both lottery talents
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We have enough shooters in the starting line up with Outlaw and Murphy at the forwards
On the other hand, we need a playmaker next to Harris.
secondary ball handlers
Morrow is not a great ball handler. Nor is Ross. Farmar, TWill and Harris are.
We'll see
The Nets couldn’t hit or defened the 3 last season.
by Zartan on Aug 14, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem
with either Williams or Morrow starting, but with Murphy and Outlaw on the floor to provide shooting and spacing, I can see Williams starting at the two. But I question how well he and Harris can truly play together
Some roles will have to be established here, obviously.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I thought they played poorly next to each other
Both need the ball in their hands to be effective
Neither are good shooters
Both have their selfish moments
I think T.Will will compliment Farmar and the bench, more than Harris and the starters… but yes we then will only have one playmaker and ball handler in the starting line-up. Morrow for a guard, supposedly does not have very good handles.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I agree 100%. It’s an interesting problem for Avery. To me, when Williams was out there with Harris, it’s like Harris disappeared. They have to develop some chemistry, thankfully since the Nets’ training camp will start earlier this year they can work on that.
I’d prefer that Harris play a bit more off of the ball because Williams moves the ball better than he does, but Williams has GOT to keep himself under control.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 14, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We already have 2 shooters in the starting lineup with Murphy and Outlaw
if we have 2 slashers in Harris and Terrence, we will be a crazy team, you’ll see Harris and Terrence destroy other teams with their penetrates.
both Outlaw and Murphy
shot above .380 from 3 pt territory last season. IMO that’s enough shooting to make up for a Harris/Williams backcourt’s shortcomings at that area, esp since TWill could provide better passing abilites and defense which we need next to Devo.
Theoretically most of those 3's
Will come from the corners from the SF and PF.
We need a G at the top of the key to the angles that can hit the 3 as well.
Even though it wouldn’t happen because of the money we paid him, I would almost rather see D.James start if he proves he is NBA ready. I like his D, rebounding and offensive game.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If D.James gives us a better chance to make the playoffs he will start
If he out plays Outlaw i have no doubt he will get the bulk of the minutes
Besides Favors
I really think D.James could be the biggest wild-card.
We have a bunch of average, limited, unproven players at the SG/SF. (not to say they aren’t talented)
If D.James can play the way he showed he is capable in SL, we are in much better shape.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
which is much better
because he can get back on defense faster. Wish we had used Yi like that when we had him. Both are much more effective that way. Murphy can pass, and Yi’s speed lets him cut off fast breaks. ah well.
And his main weapon that he can bring to a running offense
is a deadly pull-up three. That works out really well for the rebounder he is.
I'm actually hoping Twill to start evnthough I totally don't like his game right now
The nets would have 2 shooters in starting 5 already with also Lopez being able to extend to 20 feet.
I’d rather see Marrow get 30 mins off the bench as a game changer.
Right now we kind of have an idea
Of what most of our guys can do. I am most interested in the Defense that Avery will make this team play. You can have a pretty good defense even with average defenders. It would really help if T-will and Harris play great D. We may bhave a problem if Favors cant get on the floor (Lopez and Murphy may get alot of points dumbed on them down there)
Morrow Starts
Even though i think TWill is actually the most complete player, Morrow makes more sense in the starting lineup and overall better for the team. I want the rock in Twill’s hands when he’s in the game. We saw last year how effective he was with it but it makes no sense to make Devin or TWill COMPLETELY INVISIBLE when they’re on the floor at the same time. If this does happens I’m gonna need Devin to be OUTSTANDING on defense which shouldnt be to hard with Twill creating…..still though, you’re taking the effectiveness of Devin on the offensive end when TWill’s runnin the show.
No becuase
that would mean unbalance of shooting in the Units Moorw, Harris, Outlaw, Lopez and Muphy can all shoot While in the second unit you have Farmar and James the rest Ptero, T-Will and Favors are mediocore shooters. They need to balance it Outlaw, Murphy, Lopez and Harris shooter vs. Farmar, Morrow, James and maybe Favors gets a consistent jump shot.
The Units Are Not Going to Be Exlcusive From Each Other
Some of the starters will get minutes with the 2nd unit and vice versa.
If Harris and T.Will start, that means we have no shooting from our starting back-court.
If Farmar and Morrow are on the bench it means all the back-court shooting is on the bench.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 14, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
coaches won’t switch a whole group all at once but that balance would be nice. Starters play more with starters, bench players play more with the bench most teams do that. Again you just contradicted yourself by saying all the back court shooting is on the bench so what happens to “Units are not Going to be exclusive from each other.”Plus there is no ball handleling if you play Morrow in the starting lineup. Solets just wait for training camp.
overrating morrow continues..
so now we nets fans are not alone.. Lol nbc is with us..
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
let's just hope....
Avery helps 1 or both expand their game. Then everything will be fine no matter who starts.
by rundmc00 on Aug 14, 2010 3:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think morrow should start he has a career average of 15 ppg as a starter….
I really like twills versatility off the bench as the sixth man…you can sub him in for almost any player (except a pf and center of course).
Morrows defense and ball handling are liabilities but he prob improved in those areas over the summer.
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Go Morrow
The Nets should give Morrow the scoring/playing opportunities that went to Yi last year. He’ll score 25 a game easily. Lets find out if he is a big time scorer now, before while we are rebuilding.
Let me just say, I am more enthused about Morrow than...
I am about any other player on this squad. The growth of Lopez with shooters around him is expected, and would simply disappoint if it doesn’t happen. I’m not thrilled about Murphy who is slow footed in D. Harris should bounce back fine. TW will have an uneven year, highs and lows. Farmar should thrive is a small-medium role most of the time, and Outlaw is just going to be Outlaw, a nice middle of the league talent at PF. Favors is going to be raw and will only see flashes (read: dunks mostly), and James will not get a lot of PT. It is Morrow who can make this season different. REAL shooting from the 3 line (plus 40) is a game changer, not quite as much as a fine passer is, but yes, it changes the floor. If Morrow can operate off the dribble I am really looking forward to seeing what he can do with confidence and PT.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
If only we had gotten Bass for TWil
by rundmc00 on Aug 14, 2010 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lee and Morrow would make a much more lethal (and defensive) combination than TW and Morrow in my opinion. And Bass is a better upside PF (for less money) than Murphy.
Just my opinion.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Bass would be lucky to even reach Murphy's level
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Murphy is over the hill for his career. It is his 10th year. He is a deficit defender.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 15, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Bass will never start ever in his career
Murphy being over the hill is still better than Bass, Bass is like Hump good energy guy can spill minutes for your starter but isn’t someone you plug into your starting lineup by choice, to small.
lol @ rundmc
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 15, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
twill is starting.
how can u have twill on the bench with farmar james favors and petro?
who is the 2nd units shooter?? farmar? he isn’t a 3pt specialist.
having harris twill outlaw murphy and lopez already spreads the floor enough having twill can add a cutter on the court and can take his defender around the court as well as grabbing the attention of other players on the court.
morrow would just b set at a spot and hope harris draws his defender so he can b open.
twill adds more 1 the starting rotation than morrow
nobody knows, not even Avery is 100%
let morrow and t-will compete. it will be fun to watch. i’m a t-will fan but i want him to earn it.
my vote for t-will in the starting lineup is with the thought that avery starts him and tells him “you have the athleticism and skill to be our stopper”. With less offensive requirements in the starting lineup, I think avery could really max out his defensive ability and he could still score points (ie in transition, off cuts, etc) and never need a play called for him
Morrow should not start
I prefer T Will top start because of defense. If Avery will use Murphy, Outlaw Brook and Harris, this will give us only two good defenders Outlaw and T Will. Brook and Murphy wil be there because of their length and possible rbounds. If you put Morrow our first five defense will be weaker which I believe will not suit Avery’s style.
Second unit will be Favors, Petro, Morrow, James and Farmar. Offense probably more efficient but if defense doesn’t hold through, offense will suffer cause they have to deal with set plays which most of the time takes time before players can execute it smoothly.
Brook, Harrris and Twill should stay together cause at least they have played some time with each other and hopefully they will have some cohesiveness at the start of season. Murphy and Outlaw needs to blend, which is more possible than the rest because they are experienced NBA players. So this make more sense thatn putting promising young players.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 14, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with ure comments
i just can’t wait to see them play together. I want t-will to start also but if morrow shows the goods and more importantly, meshes well with brook and devin, then so be it.
by yankeesnets on Aug 14, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Morrow eventually
If NETS first five offense doesn’t work, then Morrow is one of the wise adjustment that Avery can do, if T Will doesn’t work . When Carter was playing with the NETS he was a constant threat at the offense, that’s why Harris is effective. Twill is trying to do that role. Morrow style doesn’t show that , he is more of a Michael Redd style. I would imagine T Will and Morrow combination happening rather than Harris /Morrow combination.
Farmar is a PG, but he is very predicatable . He is only effective if defense is not as focus. He has that freedom just like Fisher because of Kobe, Gasol and Bynum. He will only be effective if Brooks, Murphy and Outlaw will be as effective as those Lakers.
The other one is James which I think will be a big surpirse. I see him playing like a young Michael Finley or Cedric Cebalos.
Favors effectiveness will depend on Farmar’s handling of second unit, causeFavors is agile enough to find an open spot. T Will was not effective during summers cause he was more focus on playing with James or Zoubek. Favors early foul trouble didn’t help. When Avery start coaching these guys I am confident they will learn team defense and avoid cumulative fouls like what Favors have done is summer league. No question about Favors skill he is already have it, he just needs to stay in the game from fouls. That’s why he wouldn’t be a first five yet. But I am confidnet in no time he will developed, he is not like Sean Williams, very uncoachable ro shall I say out of focus.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 14, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Farmar is a PG, but he is very predicatable . He is only effective if defense is not as focus. He has that freedom just like Fisher because of Kobe, Gasol and Bynum. He will only be effective if Brooks, Murphy and Outlaw will be as effective as those Lakers.
I don’t know where you get this from. In the triangle Farmar, like ALL point guards, had a very limited role in the offense. Most of his skills were not being employed by the Lakers.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Farmar's predictable
Farmars style is more of a penetrator. When he plays the triangle offense he seems to be more inclined in driving , and I believe most players knows that. Farmar is still a young dude and doesn’t have a feel for the game. I believe Jackson wanted to make him as effective as John Paxson, but unfortunately that is not the style of Jordan Farmar. When Fisher came, Derek was more effective because of better defense and most important is the feel of the game. There is no question of Farmars skill, but basketball is always have that x facotr that is how to assess where the game is going specially how you will be defended, and what is your role. John Paxson was not that flashy but he was a terrific shooter, almost the same as Fisher’s style. I guess Farmars should have developed his shooting when he was with the Lakers. But here for NETS he needs to show he can set the plays and maybe Avery can developed him better thatn Jackson. If Farmar can be half as good as Deron Williams then I would say he is good and not predictable.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 14, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
When he plays the triangle offense he seems to be more inclined in driving , and I believe most players knows that. Farmar is still a young dude and doesn’t have a feel for the game.
I don’t know where you are getting this. There no “inclined in driving” IN the triangle that Jackson runs. The triangle is designed to get the PG out of the play pretty much as soon as possible.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
And I’m still trying to make sense of this sentence:
Farmar is a PG, but he is very predicatable . He is only effective if defense is not as focus. He has that freedom just like Fisher because of Kobe, Gasol and Bynum.
What do you mean he is predictable and that he has freedom just like Fisher?
Most of his minutes last year were played with Odom on the court. Very seldom with Kobe, Gasol and Bynum.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
You need to watch 2008-2009
He was the PG before Fisher came back . Farmars was predicatable and that’s why Lakers were struggling. Fisher changed that when he came back. They know Farmars is not confortable shooting from outside. He has the freedom to shoot the ball from outside. Triangles always worked with a good shooter, and farmars is not that kind of player and the defender know is either he will drive or pass the ball . Last year he wasn’t anymore the first five PG for the Lakers but early in 2008-2009 he was.
Chicago have Paxson and Isley as PG and they are involved specially shooitng from outside. The Boston Celtics triangle offens of Russell, Sam Jones, Havlicek and Don Nelson, PG are involved. Kniskx with willis Reed, Jackson, Walt Frazier and Earl Monroe the PG are all involved and they all use traingle offens, it hasn’t changed for decades already. and still with Lakers Fisher, and even Artest shoots it out from outside, and remember Horry with Lakers they all played the traingle offense. If a guard is not comfortable shooting from outside and then you are predicatble., of course what else wouild that person do drive down the lane and get clobbered by defenders or pass the ball and mess up the play.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 15, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest I kinda think you are just making things up. Do you watch the Lakers in season?
You need to watch 2008-2009. He was the PG before Fisher came back .He was the PG before Fisher came back .
In 2008-2009 Fisher was ON the Lakers and in fact played 61% of the Laker PG minutes. Farmar only averaged 18 minutes a game that year. Fisher was ALSO the PG the year before in 2007-2008 when he averaged 27 minutes a game, more than Farmar. The year BEFORE Fisher came back (2006-2007), Farmar was a rookie and only 20 years old, and played only 15 minutes a game. Jackson does not like rookies, famously.
They know Farmars is not confortable shooting from outside. He has the freedom to shoot the ball from outside.
He is comfortable. He actually averaged more 3pt attempts per 36 minutes in all three years than did Fisher. Its is only that the best parts of his game (floor generalship, creating off the dribble) are not permitted within the triangle itself. To say that he is uncomfortable shooting outside is to not really have watched him.
Triangles always worked with a good shooter, and farmars is not that kind of player and the defender know is either he will drive or pass the ball .
True that triangles work with the PG on the weakside shooting the three, but untrue that defense know that Farmar is unwilling to shoot it. He actually shoots more threes per 36 minutes than Fisher. He is a willing shooter. The idea that you can just play off him and wait for him to drive is, well, a fiction.
If a guard is not comfortable shooting from outside and then you are predicatble., of course what else wouild that person do drive down the lane and get clobbered by defenders or pass the ball and mess up the play.
You have just made up this unwillingness. His problem isn’t that he is unwilling, its that he doesn’t like being out of the play by design. He took plenty of threes in the offense, at a higher rate than Fisher. Honestly, it looks like you just made this up.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 15, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most simply put
Derick Fisher was the PG of the LA Lakers the LAST THREE years:
2009-10: averaged 27.2 minutes
2008-09: averaged 29.8 minutes
2007-08: averaged 27.4 minutes
In these years, starting from last year, Farmar averaged, 18, 18.3, 20.6 minutes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
You are not following the conversation, unfortunately.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 15, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Just reinforcing
I saw your commnet and my thinking is exactly the same thing you brought out. This is what you said
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The reason for this is a). he hated it, b), he isn’t a great defender of any size (Brown) c) and was a very streaky shooter (he had good months – not great, but good – but then bad ones). All in all he really just was not a triangle PG. To try and turn him into any of the things he did poorly with at LA (off-ball 3pt shooter, defender of size among them) would be a waste. He is a penetrator, tempo setter and creator who can shoot/score pretty well.
by JuliusIrving on Aug 15, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i just think
comparing traditional point guards to the guys who play for the Lakers is really not very valid.
It’s apples and oranges, but at the end of the day, the Nets are paying Farmar $3.75 million, $4.0 million and $4.25 million (his option) over three years. He’s 23 (four months older than TWill), has two championship rings, was part of the best rotation in the NBA for two years and is a good guy.
If you can’t take a risk on a guy like that, who should you take a risk on?
by Net Income on Aug 15, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you can keep saying it
you are not avery, so it is just opinion. Say it as many times as u want
by yankeesnets on Aug 14, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
terrence seems like the kind of guy Averys going to like, i get the feeling he will either start or be a sixth man
We only need one point at a time
because there is only one basketball. The other guy has to be a shooter who can also play defense at the other end. We don’t have that guy anymore, he’s been traded.
I have learned
the two most important things for the Nets development this year are:
1) starting TWill
2) acquiring somehow someway Brandon Bass.
Everything else is meaningless.
No. Its get to a playoff game, no matter what it means for the future of the team!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 15, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
+1 i dont know how people can think we are overrating Morrow but not T will
by New Deal on Aug 15, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope they both succeed
and wish Avery well in figuring out who gets playing time…and I suspect there will be another SG on the roster before October.
anyone see the news
Haslem busted for marijuana possession.
Lance Stephenson busted for assault for hitting his girlfriend and pushing her down a flight of stairs.
Last good player to come out of Coney Island was Jesus Shuttlesworth.
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