Derrick Favors' Summer To-Do List
by Net Income on Aug 13, 2010 8:14 AM EDT
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PrintThe Nets' trade for Troy Murphy raises questions about Derrick Favors' immediate future. Billy King's opening line in his conference call with beat writers said as much: "I think Derrick Favors is going to be an all-star down the road. I think he has unbelievable upside but I felt we were still a little thin at the power forward position."
Tellingly (defensively?) King mentioned Favors first, Murphy second. Expect a lot more discussion of Favors' readiness or "raw-ness" over the coming days and weeks. Devin Kharpertian of Nets Are Scorching provides two video tutorials on the subject, one on Favors' pluses and minuses, the other on how Georgia Tech's offensive deficiencies didn't help Favors' development.
Bottom line is that there's plenty of promise to be excited about but there's plenty of work between here and there as well.
- Derrick Favors’ Offensive Skillset (Video) - Devin Kharpertian - Nets Are Scorching
- Derrick Favors & Georgia Tech’s Offensive Issues (Video) - Devin Kharpertian - Nets Are Scorching
- Ten rookies with a chance to shine this season - Shaun Powell - NBA.com
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love those videos
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Hope he abandons the coasting thing once and for all
Like it was pointed out in the video, not always boxing out. Bad habit coming from high school. Gotta drill it into his head to box out first time, every time
With this coaching staff..
…including Sam Mitchell and Popeye Frickin Jones, I have a feeling that the menatlity of boxing out every possession will be beaten into Favors until the point of frustration.
No pain, no gain.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors can position himself and dunk
obviously neeeds work on technique
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Much like with Dwight Howard, I couldn't care less if Favors never develops a single low post move
I just want him to be a solid defender and rebounder. That’s what I think he should work on this summer more than anything. Learning the different defenses, learning better positioning for rebounds, learning to play team defense well, etc
by muwu on Aug 13, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he doesn't develop consistant post moves
He will never reach is potential. There is no reason why he can’t develop a solid post game to go along with his crazy athleticism.
both moves were used during the summer league
he is actually further along offensively than most of us thought.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but I think BBIQ and work ethic
are really important and he has both of those things going in his favor.
I can't wait
2 c this kid play. i know he is going to great. I love his attitude and everything about his game.
What?
How does this leave questions for his immediate future?
Has there ever been a point when anyone thought he was starting? From the moment he was scouted for the draft, everyone has always said 2 – 3 years.
I don’t get why Murphy hinders, changes, or has an impact on his “immediate” future.
of course, he was going to start
you thought Kris Humphries was going to start? Please. Sean May? Surely you jest?
No
The idea that Favors was going to start from the get-go is silly. If the Nets hadn’t traded for Murphy, the earliest he would have started is the spring; no way on Day 1.
Besides, starting is irrelevant. As long as he gets his minutes, it doesn’t matter one iota whether he is a “starter” or not. As far as I can tell, the trade for Murphy should not impact Favors’s minutes at all – it should impact Humphries’ minutes and Petro’s minutes (and thank God it will impact Petro’s minutes – the guy is horrible).
Who you play with is relevant
Learning on the court with starters is much better then with a bunch of all new players trying to prove themselves
Net Income thought he was going to start, and play big minutes (or at least that was his advice/prediction) for the team. That is why before the Murphy trade he said “Just play him and let the refs sort it out” (paraphrased).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Derrick's minutes...
….depends on him doing what the coaching staff asks of him, and staying out of foul trouble.
I have no doubts that this kid will do what he is asked, probably 110% of what he is asked. The fouls, that will come with floor time and experience. Once he’s able to keep himself on the floor, look out.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
GO NETS!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 13, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
what team do you root for, btw?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The NETS!!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 13, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Favors last year in college compared to Dwight Howard last year high school… very close.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 13, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
You are right, a lot of athletic similarities
But Dwight looks a good 15 lbs stronger there. Maybe it’s just the stretched video…
they really
their bodies look almost the same, with howard a lil bigger. Imagine Favors on intense weight training programs in 2-3 years he’s gonna be huge
by corky_romano4life on Aug 13, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i didn't know
about that jumpshot…looking fwd to seeing that as well
FAVORS.......
Shoots well from 3-15 feet from the Basket…….All DHoward can do is Dunk…And FAVORS seems to be a tad bit quicker than Howard…….He seems to be a combination of a Garnett and a James Worthy type Player….Oh , Did I mention the word Franchise ???
Howard's twice as strong as him though
And a much more aggressive rebounder/shotblocker. Even in summer league Dwight was at 10 boards and 3 blocks a game as compared to Favors who got around 7 rebs and less than a block a game
exactly
I love how certain players on this team are doomed to failure without even a shred of evidence.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
....during summer league
Give the kid a chance to show what he can and cannot do in real game settings before dismissing him, that’s all I say.
And that wasn’t soley directed towards your opinion, just some of the stuff I see in general about Favors on here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the Howard averages were from summer league too
Fresh from high school. Same rawness. Same measurements. So how am I wrong when I say that at the same point, in the same summer league, in the same 5 games, Howard was a much much better rebounder or shotblocker?
Its summer league
I mean Earl Barron scored 33 and grabbed 15 rebounds, can’t look to much into that stuff in my eyes, but what you can look at is there skill set Favors has a softer touch than Howard, will be better offensively in my eyes, but I think Howard will be better defensively. The kid is still 19 lets give him a chance, exactly like the T-will argument dude was a rookie, who played with no coach lets let these guys grow some.
you're right, muwu
it just comes out sounding negative to say that Howard is bigger, stronger, and quicker too. But our Man will have his advantages, once he grows into his NBA body. He has better touch on his shots, such as they are at this stage. For a PF who is not on the low blocks all day, that is a major plus for some 12-17 footers.
It's a Net Fan thing...
Some real Nets fans (not me) have it ingrained in them to believe everything will go wrong, our rookies will bust or whatever. To see the glass as half empty. There is a true historical basis for this, you know. It’s not going to change over night.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 13, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But at the same time people can overrate our rookies so much (see below)
Saying he’ll be better than hall of famers. And this is not restricted to rookies only. Current players as well. If all goes to plan according to some people, well we already have Magic Johnson/LeBron/Wade in Twill and Tim Duncan/David Robinson/Dwight Howard/Amare Stoudemire/Kevin Garnett in Favors
Same coin, different side
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 13, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
there's extreme stuff going on in both ends of the spectrum muwu
I mean, “Terrence Williams is a 3rd string player”?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
"Terrence Williams is a third string player"
“Brook Lopez is soft”
“Derrick Favors is a bust”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He was, arguably, a third string player.
I never said that Lopez is soft (though someone did).
I never said that Favors is a bust.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 13, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen Howard's shoulders?
I don’t think it’s a huge leap to say that a 6 year pro, regarded as one of the strongest in the league is stronger than a rookie. The summer league numbers you can find online. Same Orlando Summer League, same 5 games. Same inexperience. Same perception of rawness. TWill had nothing to do with Favors’ rebounding or shotblocking.
Of course Howard is stronger now
Favors is a child, Howard is an experienced veteran.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
GO NETS!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 13, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
so you've resorted to trolling now, kv?
come on. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean that you have to follow every post of mines with “GO NETS!”.
why not do that to cpawfan the next time that he challenges your opinion, and see what happens.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I am cheering on my team. Your posts are very cheery. I think sometimes you just have to cheer. I want the Nets to succeed.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 13, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
muwu, you are making too much sense. Favors is a blank sheet
and you can project all kinds of things on him now. Wait til mid-season. Well, wait until the first month. There will be those who are mesmerized by his dunks (!), but it will be painful to watch what NBA players do to him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 13, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If by “next time” you mean “year three” there is a chance of that.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 13, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwight Howard is also 265 lbs as compared to Favors' 245
and Howard can bench 300+ lbs as compared to what Favors’ benched in college, 200+ or so
Dwight’s inspired time in the weight room has translated into the bigger, stronger body he covets. Although not the best indicator of athletic improvement, Dwight uses the bench press to gauge his progress with weights. Among his more memorable moments was his recent successful attempt at benching 365 at home.
"He has already broken every physical goal imaginable for an NBA player. And as he gets older, he gets more powerful naturally. So we do our best to keep him strong and on the court through injury prevention."
if you check out favors' videos from college and high school...
he looks totally different in terms of body weight. favors looks about 30 pounds heavier in college. is he out of shape?
He put on about 20 pounds of muscle
Start at around 2:30.
by Newark2Brooklyn on Aug 13, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Great video
“Hard work”
I wonder if there is a video of Cousins doing this…. it’s probably him at McDonalds though playing in the kids gym.
i got goosebumps
when he did that lefty slam towards the end. what an athlete. Give him 1 year under Avery, Sam and Popeye… this guy’s gonna be fantastic. Great move by Billy to get Troy. Now Favors can develop while Troy is a sure thing when healthy at the 4. I stand by my words… Nets will win 35-43 games, make the playoffs.
FAVORS + LOPEZ = next, more athletic DUNCAN + ROBINSON
by corky_romano4life on Aug 13, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors will be an allstar
John Wall will be great but in 3-5 years you will see that Derrick Favors, Paul George, Wes Johnson, and Larry Sanders were the studs of this draft. Favors will be the best one to come out of this draft class. He will be KG and Dwight Howard combined, even better.
Favors has a chance to be the best player out of 2010 draft
I am not a Nets homer, but I do think Favors has as much god-given talent as John Wall.
good point
very possible he’s limited now.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 13, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It was not some sort of cartilage issue or what
It was a stress fracture. A broken bone basically. We’re overrating the injury
also
i think that Favors is better than Oden was in College… just my opinion.
by corky_romano4life on Aug 13, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
lol
Avery likes his backside, thats a good thing he’s not a skinny dude like Yi with a small base, needs to learn how to use it like Milsap.
this thread has taken a disturbing turn
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
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