For Houston, the Trade Was About Lee
by Net Income on Aug 12, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
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PrintDetails keep dribbling in on the Nets big off-season move. Trade talks had been going on for a week before the four teams signed off on Wednesday, with the Hornets initiating talks and Pacers pushing it hardest. The Nets and Rockets were then recruited to join in.
Also, Daryl Morey, the Rockets' well-respected GM, told the Houston Chronicle that Courtney Lee was the critical element in their participation in the deal.
"We really like him," said Morey. "He's a really balanced player defensively at two spots, maybe three. He's a very good cutter, a very good shooter and has a very high basketball IQ."
Lee told the Chronicle his move to Houston gives him an opportunity to get back to the Finals. "My first year, we went to Finals and I got that taste in my mouth. I want that again."
- Rockets finally get Courtney Lee, deal Trevor Ariza - Jonathan Feigen - Houston Chronicle
- Courtney Lee: “I feel good about Houston” (Video) - Steve Kyler - HoopsWorld
- TrueHoop round-table on Houston Rockets trade of Trevor Ariza - Sebastian Pruiti et al - ESPN
- Ariza, Murphy, Collison headline four-team swap - Dan Devine - Ball Don't Lie
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Best of luck Courtney....
At least it wasn’t T.Will.
sounds like they wanted Lee
King also said he wanted to hang on to Lee but had to give him up.
Lee is more a Morey-type guy.
Makes the trade look slightly less good. If Houston was demanding TW and the Nets forced them to settle for Lee and we ended up with a one year rental/protection for Favors, that would be one thing. Instead it looks like Houston targeted a very solid young player on a bad team with a great deal of team basketball skill, and the Nets ended up with giving away a young prospect because they had the weakness of an over-crowded two-guard spot (which they themselves over-crowded by signing Morrow). Only if the Nets LOVE TW (which is possible, but yet to be expressed) does this not look more and more like they Nets had to react to a disbalance they themselves created (too many SGs, a super young PF and little depth there), and forfeited a cheap player with potential for a one year fix.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
TW's potential upside is far greater than Lee's
Lee’s greatest peak would be a Rip Hamilton.
Twill is a potential Dwayne Wade.
These are all stretches of course but when looking at who to invest a future in, when you have to give up something, I still like this trade a lot.
TWill + Brain Transplant = DWade
Physically, TWill is already there, and even bigger and stronger.
He needs to keep develop that killer instinct which has been coming a long
That and the pull up jumper.
TWill + Brain transplant = DWade
TWill is already there physically and is bigger and stronger that DWade.
I'd say
that TWill has a chance to be very special just because he’s super athletic. Perhaps with a real coach, he’ll be great. Let’s say for now he could be a version of Andre Iguadala?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 12, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is you had (to start) two chips with really cheap, solid potential (Lee, TW) that made up your asset base. You then added a 12 million dollar SG reducing the value of the assets you had. This means of course Morrow really has to be something because you added him and reduced the value of your assets. Subsequently, you then traded one of these assets (whose value was reduced for you) for a one year PF because you had a different weakness you had created when you drafted a super young PF. Despite everyone on this site imagining that Favors was going to have serious impact minutes, the Nets felt otherwise at least to some degree.
Now, the Nets are young, they have a lot of young guy assets, lots of cap room, but you don’t give either assets or cap room away needlessly. The Nets put themselves in a place where they had to trade one of the two, Lee or TW. Was this a smart thing? Only if Morrow has a real impact on this team, which I believe he can.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Yes. But you spent 12 million and by adding this “ceiling” to the other two, you reduced the VALUE of the other two. Not saying that it was a horrible move, but you cannot just compare “ceilings” of every player. Not all players reach their ceilings, nor do they all have the same likelihood of reaching it . It just means that it is more important than before that Morrow does perform really well. If he busts in some way, you not only missed on Morrow, you missed on Lee. People have turned on Lee in the last 24hrs because they heard he didn’t want to be here. Well, part of that is that he came from a winning team and spent time on one of the worst teams in history. There are very few players indeed that can go from going to the Finals to winning 12 games. In fact, I think it pretty unreasonable to expect anything like that to be the case.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I liked Lee
But morrow had more natural talent than Lee, he doesn’t have to work on his jumper everyday, he is just a natural scorer/shooter, which we haven’t had for a while. Next year we can try a sign Murphy back if he played well with Brook at a lower price maybe he gives us a hometown discount if we can’t attract any big time players.
We are not signing Murphy. He will be in his 10th year and just came off a 12 mill a year contract. If we sigh Murphy this team is lost.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe CLee will make all-defense team someday...
…and maybe Yi will be most improved this year and maybe CDR will lead the Bucks in scoring.
But it wasn’t happening here. Ever.
Oh yeah, and Josh Boone will lead the league in free throw percentage. Missed.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 12, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is a trade better or worse based on the other team's impression of the player we gave away?
How can your opinion on a trade change because you wish the Nets had haggled themselves to the same exact trade that they actually made?
Because it suggests that the Nets were targeted and not targeting, and as such were dealing from weakness. Plus anytime another team has valued one player higher than another of yours (when they are in competition), it is reasonable to ask: Am I valuing my players correctly. Everyone has imagined that TW was the most sought after player of the two. At least in this case (preliminarily) it does not seem so. He has a great “ceiling” but he also has perhaps a better chance of not reaching it. Houston is a winning team, when winning teams want your players your ear perk up.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I understand the point about being aggressive, but this was a four team trade, not easy for King to come up with on his own, so I don't fault him, With regards to talent evaluation, I think the Nets have a better grasp on Lee than the Rockets
since they saw him for an entire year, including a stretch where at least half the people on this blog said he didn’t even belong in the NBA and the counter was that he could be a good 12th man.
You are assuming that they would rather have given up Lee. There is no evidence to that at all. In fact there is slight evidence that they might have preferred TW to be given up, but Houston was not after TW. The Nets had a deep need (a cover for Favors) and dealt from a point of relative weakness in order to address it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I am assuming they would have preferred to part with Lee.
I disagree with the assertion of evidence that they would have preferred to give up T-Will, mainly because leaks can be manufactured… and if you want to drive up someone’s (Lee’s) value, you say they are important and can’t be traded.
Also, to think they would have preffered to part with T-Will boggles the mind a bit.
Honestly, i think the would have parted with either. The fact that Lee wanted to leave made it easier. The priority was ONE of them, and getting someone to cover for Favors.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea how you would know that, especially considering Houston was asking for Lee.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Because look at T-Will and look and C Lee
The Nets got a much better view of both than did Houston. It is scary to think they would rather lose T-Will… I don’t think they could be so incompetent.
It's also really about Team needs and Fits
Lee fits what Houston does and wants to do. Not that he was better than T-Will but he just fit what they do. Thier personality and how they play. I say everybody wins.
We created room got a double double PF with knockdown 3pt range. He is the best one of those in the league and it costs us NO picks. And if Murphy loves being “HOME” and we can’t snag a GAME CHANGING SUPERSTAR this season or this summer , if Murphy takes 3 years for 25-30 Mil lets do it. I would be for it. If Favors unseats him as a starter great. but you won’t find another player with Murphy’s skillset who actually WANTS TO BE HERE. LOL. So far Murph is the ony Frontcourt player that I constantly hear people here say is “Tough”. It’s hard to find tough now adays.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
at Paul
I disagree with the assertion of evidence that they would have preferred to give up T-Will
Actually, COUCH said that parting with Lee shows how highly the Nets think of TWill. If the Nets were that high on Lee, they wouldn’t have traded him for a STOPGAP, point blank.
the only ones that would be foolish enough to trade Williams for a stop gap...
….post here, and aren’t employed by the Nets.
We should be thankful.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. A winning, passing, defensive team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like on this team he should have had not much responsibility other than defend hard, move the ball, hit the jumper.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Silly of us to ask him to come in and be a SUPERSTAR STARTING SG
So wrong of us to offer a young player the chance to come in one the DUDES on this team. I think if he was more of an Alpha male type he averages 20ppg and we win 30 games instead of 12. Not blaming it all on him. But we basically gave him VC’s spot. That vacated a starting spot and 20ppg. He gave us 12ppg and dissapeared on the floor alot.
Morrow looks a lil more Alpha Male to me than C-Lee does and so does T-Will.
Houston has Martin, Battier, Budinger, Scola and Brooks. If Lee averages 7 shots a game I will be shocked.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
That is why he just salary dumped Ariza
Morey is good, but he makes mistakes. He is just good enough to not dwell on them and quickly act to correct them.
Remember, he wasted a high second round draft pick on Joey Dorsey
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
I actually like Dorsey
Bad attitude, and only does one thing well, but boy can he rebound the heck out of the ball
He can rebound in the D-League
He has only played in 18 games for a reason. He was a wasted draft pick
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
What did we think Houston would say?
“We wanted to save money and dump Ariza and Lee was the best we could get.”
by Netted on Aug 12, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. But the things that they DID say correspond to exactly what Lee does well, and the kinds of things that winning teams need, and much of it the kind of things that TW does not as well. Hey, maybe there is more to leak out. Everything we hear changes the trade slightly. When we heard that Lee wanted out, that changed the trade too.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
This trade gave the Nets players HOPE!
The players are playing for the playoffs now. They will all listen and work hard because they know it isn’t a lost cause of a season. They will lead to better development of all the young guys on this team.
Last year the entire team knew they had nothing to play for. The result was 12 wins and minimal growth. Their self respect and confidence was shattered.
So if trading Courtney Lee leads this team to think they have a chance to win a game on any given night then it was well worth it. You call it a one year rental, but one year is big in the development of players. Sometimes you need to sacrifice something for the greater good of the majority. The Nets sacrificed Courtney Lee for the benefit of all their other young players.
You take away a man’s hope then you might as well rip out his heart.
by Netted on Aug 12, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This trade gave the Nets players HOPE!
The players are playing for the playoffs now.
This is a losing team’s mentality. And they traded one of the few players on the team that actually knew what winning is like.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How many Net players have experienced winning playoff basketball at the NBA level?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee's "winning experience" didn't come
anywhere near helping them be winners last year. I think the Nets will be fine. Courtney didn’t experience winning before that one season either. Everyone has to get there at some point.
He was one of the few players who played hard most of the year. If you are building a winning team you want players like that.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And it doesn’t matter how he got to the playoffs, it is the experience that counts. It is the fact of having tasted it, knowing it, and wanting it because you have tasted it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And of course a lot of other players in the NBA
don’t want to taste winning and the playoffs. Only the ones that have tasted it.
Everyone knows that playoff experience is a valued thing. Lee wanted to win, he didn’t like a losing culture. He wanted out. He knew what it was.
A lot of players in the NBA say they want to win, but they haven’t been around what it takes to win. They would rather get good minutes, play their game, get their shine and exit in the first round. That is not the same thing.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
We have PLENTY OF THOSE GUYS
Devin Played in the Finals on a Team that Avery Coached. Farmar has 2 Rings…lol. And Petro played in Denver.
IMO it comes across more as SOFT. Lee wanting out. That’s big here. He wanted out. He doesn’t want to be a STAR player he just wants to blend. That’s coool. But on my team I want guys who want to WIN and guys who feel like they can get it done.
We Still have Quinton Ross he can Play D and shoot the 3. Good Luck to Lee in Houston. They like us will be fighting for the lower seed playoff spot.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Harris, Farmar, Petro, & Humphries
so a quarter of the team
Only Harris and Farmar will be playing significant minutes. Basically you got rid of a guy who wanted to leave because he wanted to return to winning.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I had Outlaw in there too and accidentally erased him in editing I guess
so 3 guys playing big minutes… plus Hump might get a good number of minutes and besides you said it is about experience and mindset…
Also, did you watch Lee the first half of last year??? I mean c’mon… He’s not exactly a Hall of Famer.
No, they got rid of him
because he brought them a starting PF and made room to develop their other young wing players. Not because he wanted to win. That’s ridiculous.
by Netted on Aug 12, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He wanted to leave because he wanted to be on a winning team. Its not why they traded him, its why he wanted to leave.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You wrote:
Basically you got rid of a guy who wanted to leave because he wanted to return to winning.
You said the Nets got rid of because he wanted to win. Which is ridiculous.
You miss understand the causal relationship I was expressing. It was not:
“Hey, you want to win and because of that I want to get rid of you”
it was
“Hey, I am going to have to get rid of you because you want to leave, and the reason you want to leave happens to be because you want to win”
It goes like this.
Lee:
1 I want to win.
2 Therefore I want to leave.
3[The Nets] You want to leave.
4 [The Nets] I will trade you.
“I want to win” is the immanent cause for the trade, not the explicit transitive cause.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I like Lee's game,
If he believes he can’t win here then all I can say is good luck in Houston.
And Outlaw
played significant minutes for Portland in playoffs in 2008-09.
You are right. The Nets are loaded with playoff experience. Tons to spare.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Farmar knows wining much better than Lee.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 12, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Winning...
…Lee knows whining.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 12, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right. You only need one or two guys. Good point.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the Thunder had so much playoff experience
As did the Nets when they made their first playoff runs when Kidd was here.
Which is why they could not close out the Lakers when they had the chance.
Plus, when the Nets get an MVP candidate (or even a guard like Westbrook) let me know.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Or because the Lakers were better and had Kobe???
Has Westbrook made an allstar team yet?? I love him but Devin isn’t to bad himself, basically when you have a bunch of tough minded players experience doesn’t matter as much and I like our team, pansies are gone a bunch of tough minded hard workers are here now.
The ironic thing about this post
is that you’ve been posting all over this topic about how the Nets aren’t making the playoffs before they’ve even played one game. Saying that they can’t turn it around and make the playoffs because they have a history of losing.
You, my friend, are not the person to lecture anyone about a losing mentality.
Plus, this is fool’s gold hope. The team is not going to the playoffs, not really even close (last month of the season hope). What it did (barring another trade) is merely give fans hope.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see
I think this is at least a 7 or 8 seed now.
What is one to say to that? What if you told me that they were a 4 seed? Am I to say : I don’t think so. To my ear it sound absurd. For you the Nets have improved 30 games from last year and became the Chicago Bulls. It sounds just like a pure fan.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Who says you are supposed to say anything to it?
I think changing over 75% of the roster and 60% of the starting line-up and the majority of the coaching staff means you can’t look at last seasons record. I’m not looking at the name on the front of the jerseys as much as I’m looking at the COLLECTION of names on the back.
You don’t have to agree.
When you put all kinds of players together (especially off a horrible season) it is natural to read them on paper as all performing extraordinarily. Its fantasy basketball. Morrow will be hitting threes, TW will be dishing and dunking. Outlaw will be slashing, Lopez spinning, etc, etc.
How about defense? Have you thought about it? The ENTIRE starting line up is either average, poor or very poor on defense.
But Avery will fix all that. Right?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He did in Dallas with a bunch of players
that no one thought played defense under Nelson.
Yes. Only a fan is convinced that the coach will solve ever personnel problem.
The Nets will be in the bottom half of defensive rating for the league.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is that defense isn't a personnel problem
Yes there are excellent individual defenders who set themselves apart from the rest of the league. However, defense is effort based.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
The point is that defense isn’t a personnel problem
I know. You give Avery terrible defenders and he sprinkles magic defense dust and they all become very good defenders.
The Nets will be in the bottom half of league in defensive rating this year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Allen and Paul Pierce
Neither were even mediocre defenders before the Celtics championship.
Additionally, that isn’t what I said nor implied. Nice try though. Your poor attempts at deflecting when you are completely wrong won’t work though
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
I know. It doesn’t even matter what your personnel is. You just whip guys into defensive shape.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gee, didn't see that response coming
More gibberish that has nothing to do with the discussion
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Yeah. Avery will turn all these guys into defensive stoppers. Doesn’t matter if Murphy is slow footed and a poor defender, we are GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL serious?
ray allen was always at least a mediocre defender he just never was assigned tough defensive tasks because througout the most of his career he was asked to carry the offensive load, same with pierce, but look at the nets, there really isn’t anyone that’s asked to carry the offensive load because there really isn’t any star, and they still suck at defense, which makes the trading of lee even worse because he was the one guy that could actually play some defense
by Young Wook Lee on Aug 13, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You do understand that lee...
…requested a trade, right?
We have no problems with outsiders coming in to add their two cents, but at least have a basic grasp of the situation before offering your opinion.
And Allen and Pierce were regarded as garbage defenders. But under a solid defense system that stressed team defense and accountability, they looked good. You also need a defensive anchor, which we are developing in Derrick Favors. To be continued…
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery will make them “intense.” They are so young and fit, that their defensive intensity will be enough alone to make you see the light.
Sounds like a playoff team to me. Nothing like “intense” defense.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Now were bottom half?
So if we are 16th in the league, and make the playoffs, you were half right.
Nets were 25th in defensive rating last season despite having the worst record. And that was with Kiki as coach for a good chunk of the season.
no way nets make the playoffs
i’m going to say this again the wizards knicks pacers, wait maybe even cleveland is better than the nets, you can’t come off the worst record in the league, not draft any superstar rookie, and not hit major FA’s and say hey we’re making the playoffs next year this is just really absurd
by Young Wook Lee on Aug 13, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
There are only 3 players back from the start of last year
We have a coach this year as last year we didn’t. Harris was hurt all year, T-Will came on late, D-James and Favors will play. Lopez will be an all-star Anthony Morrow will be close to the league leaders in threes, Farmar and Outlaw will do their thing as will Murphy its a totally different team. Change your focus not the same team.
rigghht harris was out all year
he still played 61 games, and guess what? granger also only played 62 games and the pacers still did MUCH better than the nets, oh wait they had murphy, who by the way is so bad on defense that almost every post player that is guarded by him scores 20 points at least, so good luck dealing with the east’s beasts down low, and d-james and favors, really? you must be freaken optimistic to expect more than 12 ppg combined from them, and yes i will give you t-will coming on late but he still averaged 14 points a game the last 15 games, lopez could be an allstar, maybe, but he’s not a great defender as he gets blocks because he’s long but his man-to-man defense and team defense isnt too great, and morrow farmar and outlaw…are only role players they wont change the whole team so good luck on making the playoffs
by Young Wook Lee on Aug 13, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
TW is “okay” as a one on one defender (when he wants to play it), but he is not a team defender, which is all about detail and effort.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Repeating an untrue statement doesn't make it true
TWill’s team defense will be quite good
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
by cpawfan on Aug 12, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And repeating that does not make it true either.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm repeating something that is true
You are repeating something is false and attempting to pass it off as a truth.
Huge difference
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
by cpawfan on Aug 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That doesn’t make it true either.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Towards the end of the season T-wills whole game
came up, he was in the passing lanes taking the ball to the house and playing better man to man defense but I mean the atmosphere last year was horrible.
I know. When he “broke out” he became a great defender. No wonder they are so high on him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope springs eternal for fans of a losing team.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
at least? really?
the nets arent even better than the knicks at this point, heck even the team that gave them murphy, and the team that the nets gave away yi to is also better than the nets, wait that’s three teams that didn’t make the playoffs last year that’s better than the nets!
by Young Wook Lee on Aug 13, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
nets for one had the worst record last year in the league
and you don’t just improve 30 games without signing major fa or drafting a superstar
the pacers on the otherhand still won twice as much as the nets with having their star player injured for about 20 games more or less im not sure, the knicks did something the nets didnt, sign a major fa, and they also won twice as more than the nets last year, so obviously their system/players are better than the nets
by Young Wook Lee on Aug 13, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I posted above only 3 people are coming back we have a new coach
our roster top to bottom is better than the Pacers and Knicks in my opinion and deeper. What your saying is your opinion but you don’t know enough about our team to comment on our players or where we are going, last year means nothing everything is new.
right and i explained above why
you’re just too hopefuly
just because you changed almost everyone does not mean it makes your team better, especially when the “new” players are farmar outlaw morrow d-james and favors
their potentials are good role players at best (except favors but he isn’t expected to contribute too well this year) and they haven’t even reached that status, outlaw and morrow MAYBE
morrow while i admit can shoot, is a horrible defender, literally oneof the worst i’ve ever seen, and outlaw is coming off an injury-proned season what says he won’t be injured again this year? by the way the nets don’t seem to have any type of leader whatsoever, one of the biggest problems for a team
by Young Wook Lee on Aug 13, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
who is Washington's leader?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The coach was the basically the most important change
Last year should not be looked at as anything it was a mess.
You know there potentials because???
Your in the Nets practice sessions, you scout all of the Nets players, in terms of our leader thats what training camp is for right now it is Harris, but we kind of have a pretty good coach who can lead as well.
reading an article like this
makes me second guess about the trade. but still worked out nicely for the nets. i hope murphy does well and stays healthy.
i think lee will be a good role player.
but def not an all star. he was worth giving up to get a starting 4. no doubt about it.
by slydaaave on Aug 12, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
it's been reported
the Rockets did this because of the money. They got fleeced. Ariza is a far superior player.
They don't really have
another wing who can bring to the table what Ariza does. Only Battier has his size, but not his skills to pass the basketball. They traded for KMartin last year, he’s their starting SG. Lee can complement him bc of his D, but I don’t think they can play a lot of minutes together.
This is all fluff
They did this for salary cap relief.
Why would you trade a starter for a bench player? Answer me that.
by Rawdawg05 on Aug 12, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this
they invested on Kevin Martin. They had to dump Ariza bc of the money they spent on Scola and Lowry’s extensions. Morey won’t say hey we did this bc of the money. I don’t doubt they like him, but in other circumstances I really doubt they wouldn’t have traded Ariza for him. Luxury tax is reason #1 why they did this, IMO.
Chad Ford called it yesterday
For the Rockets, aside from acquiring Lee, the move is largely a salary dump. This summer the Rockets spent a lot of cash signing Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry and Brad Miller to free agent contracts and their payroll ballooned to $81 million. Before the trade, the team was bracing for a $10 million-plus luxury tax hit. The deal would save them $28 million on the life of the contracts and $10 million this season, including luxury tax considerations.
correction
I really doubt they wouldn’t have traded Ariza for him
I don’t realluyy think they would have traded Ariza for him
+1
they got a nice bench piece .
but this is a dump all the way just like the hornets did.
by Hollywoodnet on Aug 12, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And this is exactly the kind of "salary dump" that everyone is getting hopeful for when the Nets deal Murphy's contract.
The “good news” is that with Murphy’s contract expiring we can absorb all kinds of “Trevor Arizas”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Have you ever heard a GM say
we did this because we spent too much money this summer. No. Who trades a starter for a bench player?
by Rawdawg05 on Aug 12, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
there seems to be validity in houston wanting lee
they’ve targeted him since the draft 3 years ago…
I never heard Twill complain about being on the Nets… Lee was clearly devastated to join us, and thrilled to depart. I wish him luck but Twill is out guy. I love how he had a blast even in the bad times, for the love of the game.
Could it be that TW doesn’t mind losing (as long as he gets his minutes/stats) and Lee does? Could it be that Lee is a more winning player having tasted it?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Yeah, but you could also say that Twill made more of an impact last year, so his love of the game overshadowed Lee’s love of winning, because it really didnt help him much. Twill was responsible for more wins then Lee. Lee had that one awesome game that won it for us, but thats it. He likes winning but he didnt do much to make it so.
Winning teams are also about building winning culture (losing teams don’t realize that). Its not just what you do on the court. Its what you do on the practice court, and its what you do on Twitter too.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes…
I would have liked Lee to take more of an initiative though. I feel like he was just along for the ride, which just happened to be on a losing team.
+1000
I Liked Lee’s potential. But I spent the entire season waiting for him to show up.
Lee is 3rd year Player who lucked into the Lineup on Playoff ready team who asked him to defend and hit wide open 3’s as a Rookie. I don’t buy this he’s a winner thing. He played at Western Kentucky not a Major D1 school. So that’s a load.
And Culture of loosing?? We had a run of playoff appearances and did a re-haul and massive dumps in efforts to land a superstar. We were a playoff team 2 seasons ago. We were not suppossed to win. And Lee wanted out before he could give any changes a chance.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
this is pure and utter assumption
You have it out for this kid, and it’s gotten to the point of obsession with discrediting him, even in ways that you cannot prove. It’s become far beyond annoying.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
First of, Courtney Lee sux and never wanted to be a Net. Troy Murphey is on a 1 yr deal and is potentialy a good trade piece for championship type teams at the deadline
troy murphy
makes our team much more balanced. we have a solid starting 5 now. winning season is not out of question. if murphy helps us get in the playoffs nobody will care how lee plays this season.
Really. If the Nets get to the playoffs and get swept by the Heat (which is highly unlikely, but let’s imagine it), and Murphy leaves (which is also likely) and the Nets fall back into 30 win status, and Lee becomes one of the best young defender/cutter/3pt shooters you don’t care? You would want to just give up a young talent (chip) for a trip to the playoffs?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Obviously, Avery was not to keen on what Lee brings to the team. He made it sound like Morrow had an equal chance to be the starter. Lee was the starting SG for a 12 win team that couldn’t get enough scoring. Let’s not make believe we gave away an important long term asset.
by ispartan on Aug 12, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anytime you are playing a starter 1.3 million and he is a young solid defender who played very hard through a horrible 12 win year, and can shoot the three pretty well, this is an “asset”. You gave him away for a one year rental. Not the worse thing in the world, but it was also a situation you put yourself in.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I wonder how Avery feels about this move given his emphasis on defense.
Lee is a very good defender and we lost a lot of games at the defensive end. Who are our defenders now? Favors, eventually…who else?
We lost a lot of games last year
From more than just defense problems, it was a mess all the way around and most players are not here anymore. We have a bunch of athletic players who can play defense, thats what Avery is here for to coach it unlike other places like NY and GW where defense is a rumor.
We have a bunch of athletic players who can play defense
Which of these players are those “can play defense” players:
Harris
Morrow/TW
Outlaw
Murphy
Lopez
These players will play a majority of the minutes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris
Farmar,T-Will,D-James,Favors,Outlaw, and I still haven’t seen Morrow play with another team other than GW so to me the jury is still out.
TW is not a good team defender at all. Favors will be a back up, he is in purely the “developmental stage”. Morrow by all reports is not a good defender. Outlaw is not a good team defender. D-James will not get a lot of minutes.
You confuse athleticism with team defense.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that is a lot of half-truths
TWill was an excellent team defender in college. He spent last season getting very little coaching about how to play defense. There is nothing substantial to take from his defense last season.
Favors is already a plus defender. His development is about learning the speed of the NBA game and adjusting to it. He also isn’t ready to carry a significant load on offense.
Outlaw played big minutes in the 4th quarter for Nate McMillian. If he wasn’t defending some, he wouldn’t have been playing those minutes.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
He spent last season getting very little coaching about how to play defense.
I know, poor TW, he already knew how to play defense in college, but then he forgot it because of the coach in the pros.
Favors is already a plus defender.
How come he wasn’t a plus defender in college?
Outlaw played big minutes in the 4th quarter for Nate McMillian.
He was playing those minutes because of his unconscious ability to drain a pressure shot.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor attempts to side-step
No one on the Nets played defense last season. Even Lee was a below average defender last season.
Favors was a plus defender in college.
Outlaw played those minutes because he played defense like Nate wanted. You clearly don’t have a grasp of what happens in Portland.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Lee becomes one of the best young defender/cutter/3pt shooters you don’t care?
Ha, we have a better chance of winning a championship this year.
We will see.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You are right. The Nets will be one of the best defensive teams in the league. Favors is going to be sliding his feet from the bench. Outlaw is going to be Ron Artest. TW is going to be collapsing on the double team, fighting through picks and getting back out on shooters.
The Nets will be in the bottom half of the league in defensive rating for the year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey look, more side stepping
Your act is tired, predictable and not even the slightest bit funny.
Please, just once, try being honest
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
by cpawfan on Aug 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am always honest. If you are tired of my act its pretty, stop your fingers from responding.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty easy.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You aren't honest
That is the truly funny part. All of your “truths” about players are based upon minor slices of information and are not reasonable conclusions from evaluating the entire body of evidence. They are designed to gain a reaction.
It doesn’t matter who posts, you will post your act in response to anything.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
by cpawfan on Aug 12, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So much side stepping going on
in this thread I feel like I’ve just done the tango.
the this thread is about Houston’s want of Lee. Everything I have posted has been in the answer to that. Lee’s defense (which is no longer needed because Avery can make anyone a defensive stopper), Lee’s winning attitude, his desire to win (which doesn’t matter because the Nets have a great coach), Lee’s better shooting (which doesn’t matter because TW is a beast) all is meaningless.
The bottom line is Net fans, the pom-pom types, no longer like Lee because he isn’t a Net. I never wanted you anyways.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Netted and I aren't pom-pom types
I’ve posted with Netted for a number of years. He is a realistic and objective Nets fan.
Lee was vastly overrated. His defense wasn’t that good. He didn’t demonstrate a winning attitude. Although I will give him credit for not demonstrating a losing attitude. Multiple players were added this summer that are better shooters than Lee. Heck the player he was traded for is a better shooter than Lee.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
by cpawfan on Aug 12, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I post my OPINION. My opinion is honestly what it is. I express the relevant evidence I have for my opinion. What else am I to do. I am not making up my opinion. I am not making up the evidence. The evidence might not warrant my conclusion, but my conclusion is honest.
The big problem people have with my opinion is that it almost never is just a PURE “the Nets are great” or “The Nets are going to do great” or “All the Net problems are solved” opinions. The reason for this is that the Nets are not great. They had one of the worst seasons in history, and changing a bunch of things (owners, coaches, players) does not NECESSARILY change that, especially when as a franchise they have long history of sucking (you have to be honest).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have zero problems with negativity
Check out the NetsDaily Forum. http://forums.netsdaily.com/index.php
You won’t anyone more critical of the team over the past half decade than me.
However, when you are presented with more complete evidence to evaluate your position, you side step it.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
I present no less evidence than you.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Take this bit of evidence you gave
No one on the Nets played defense last season. Even Lee was a below average defender last season.
This is a nonsense statement. If Lee was a “below average” defender, TW was a horrible defender in comparison. To say that the “whole team” is one thing or another is exactly NOT evidence, and exactly NOT analysis.
Its like saying that the whole team shot badly. Sure it did, but some people shot MUCH worse. You have to examine the evidence, not make sweeping comments.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not nonsense
Lee was a below average defender last season. Lee also played better defense than TWill last season. Both of those are facts.
I’ve never claimed TWill played better defense than Lee last season. That is a complete red herring in this discussion.
The defense Lee gave the Nets last season is not anything to desire and defense was the best thing Lee brought to the Nets.
Wings are easy to acquire and Lee was completely expendable.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
I’ve never claimed TWill played better defense than Lee last season.
The point was that you tried to SIDESTEP the question of defense through some non-evidential mention of over all team defense. The POINT in question was the value of Lee as a defensive player given Avery’s call for defense. Answering this question of value without referring to the defense of the player that is replacing his minutes (TW) is not only dishonest, its obfuscation.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even close
That wasn’t where I jumped into the conversation.
You were denigrating TWill with faulty conclusions.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
by cpawfan on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You were denigrating TWill with faulty conclusions.
I was denigrating TW’s defense IN THE CONTEXT of Lee’s defense, and hence his potential importance to the team. I don’t care when you “jumped in”, know what the topic is.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No you weren't
You were denigrating TWill period. It had nothing to do with the context of Lee’s defense.
Otherwise you wouldn’t have gone on your little side-steps about Avery’s magic dust.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Or lets take this little bit of "evidence"
Outlaw played those minutes because he played defense like Nate wanted. You clearly don’t have a grasp of what happens in Portland.
This is also sweeping nonsense. Let’s look at the facts. In 2008-09 when Outlaw was playing SF with 37% of Portland minutes (the position he is going to be playing here) his vs.Net PER was -3.1. In other words, he was 17, and the SF he was guarding was a +3.1 better than he. This plus minus is a baseline stat for defensive ability.
This is called evidence.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That isn't evidence, those are stats
Using net PER and plus minus to define individual defense is ridiculous. PER has no defensive components to its calculation.
Additionally, you don’t know what those SF’s average PER was for the rest of the season to be able to
determine if he held them below, at or let them have above their PER.
I actually follow the Blazers closely and understand from talking to people who know, how Nate manages his rotations.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
SIDESTEPPING
IN other words you just get to make up general sweeping statements about how great a player is and call this “evidence”, and then when actual statistical measure come in, which are “evidence” (not conclusions, but evidence), you simply ignore it because you “follow” the team. I love your “evidence”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You have no evidence
Those stats don’t prove anything you have claimed.
I haven’t side stepped anything
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
You called for evidence.
I provided evidence. What evidence have you given? Other than bizarrely sweeping conclusions?
Do you know what the word “evidence” means?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
No you haven't
You provided stats that don’t prove anything.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Do you know what the word “evidence” means. You can provide evidence but not have that evidence be conclusive.
So far what we have is multiple defensive statistical bread downs which indicate one thing, and then your expert “I follow the Blazers” on the other hand.
Which kind of “evidence” proves the position better?
Your evidence is “I know what I know”
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are not valid defensive stats
That is the bottom line. That is why you have no evidence.
You are misusing stats
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
You are misusing stats
And you are misusing the word “evidence”. Evidence for you (which you provide none of while accusing others of not providing it) is “just what I think”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That isn’t evidence, those are stats
Stats ARE evidence. They are not conclusive evidence, but they are EVIDENCE, that is why they keep them, and analyze them. Otherwise teams could just contact you when they wanted to know how good a player is.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Appropriate stats are evidence
You are attempting to use stats that don’t prove what you are trying to say.
Stats are only valuable if used properly.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Also, Outlaw’s “clutch” on-off court statistics for the same period, another defensive stat indicator, is:
- 6.2 points per 48
Not only was overall his opponent PER better than his, in clutch situations ((4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left,
neither team ahead by more than 5 points) the team performed worse with him on the court. Going EXACTLY counter to your sweeping claim.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, that is not evidence
That is not a valid indicator of defense.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
I get it. The only “valid indicator” of defense is YOU. Ah. I see what you mean by “evidence”. You mean I just didn’t agree with you.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice try, but nope
Pointing out that the stats you are attempting to use don’t prove anything isn’t ignoring evidence.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
You don't seem to understand what the word evidence means.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The stats you presented aren't evidence
The stats you are presenting are as valuable as using batting average (not opponents batting average) to determine who is a better pitcher.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
You don't understand what the word evidence means.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
A simple defintion:
1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment:
Statistics are just such a thing. Statistically Outlaw was outperformed by his counterpart, and when the team was in clutch situations it performed more poorly when he was on the court.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Proper stats are helpful
For the hundredth time, the stats you have presented are not helpful because they aren’t valid indicators of defense
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Where are your “proper stats”? Somehow I missed them.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
There aren't proper stats for individual defense
It is one of the many, many flaws with current NBA statistics, even the advanced statistics.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Proper stats are those that support your
sweeping conclusions.
I’m checking out of this conversation because clearly your call for evidence is completely disingenuous.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
KV, your last statement is irrelevant.
Having a long history of “sucking” didn’t stop the Nets from going to back to back finals in the early 2000s. The uniform doesn’t turn you into feces. The issue here is, are the Nets going to lose games 115-110, having improved their offense seemingly without addressing their defense Avery will have his work cut out for him. I thought CLee and Harris (with Avery in his ear) would make a decent perimeter defense, along with James. Now we have to see whether Marrow and TWIll are willing and able to fill that role.
ooops, I meant Morrow.
Well, This is a team sport and the question is how the players mesh. Having bad defenders around you can make you less effective even when you are good (see CLee)…conversely,….
Having a long history of "sucking" didn’t stop the Nets from going to back to back finals in the early 2000s.
No. But there are cultures of winning and cultures of losing. The culture of the Nets for a VERY long time has been a losing culture, and that was changed by one very significant HoF player, Kidd. When Kidd left the team started to degrade and a culture of losing started in again.
Now we are coming off of one of the worst seasons in the history of the league, the culture of losing question indeed is one to be raised. Cultures of losing are more than just questions of personnel or even ownership, they are buried deep into media coverage and fan expectations. We are also coming off of a deep overhaul of the team from top to bottom. So there are chances for change, but given the history of the franchise (and no, it is not in the “uniform” but changing the name might be a nice idea) one does not ASSUME that the culture of losing is gone.
Now we have fans saying “I just want to make the playoffs!” That is part of the culture of losing.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Show me one post
where someone said “I just want to make the playoffs”.
A lot of people want to see this team make it to the playoffs because you develop a culture of winning by doing so.
Nobody is saying that is enough
they hope it’s the start of future success.
Show me one post where someone said "I just want to make the playoffs".
This post (in this thread) is exactly that mentality:
Troy Murphy makes our team much more balanced. we have a solid starting 5 now. winning season is not out of question. if murphy helps us get in the playoffs nobody will care how lee plays this season.
He doesn’t care at all whether the player we just let go is a good player or not. He doesn’t care if he becomes an Allstar. He just got a one year rental with the hope of JUST MAKING THE PLAYOFFS. This is primer losing culture mentality.
We MIGHT have traded away a player with potential, but if we JUST make the playoffs its worth it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
they hope it’s the start of future success.
When you trade a player away that might have had potential for years of cheap contributions and no longer care how good that player becomes, in trade for a player that will NOT be here the year after, just so you can make the playoffs (which isn’t going to happen either), there is no “hope”. Its just, “I’m tired of losing”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly my point
You’re blinded by your emotions. You’re trying to solve your pain with momentary relief, not trying to solve the underlying problem for permanent relief
rec'd for cpaw
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 12, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
TEAM DEFENSE
Is a philosophy and a mindset instilled by the coaches. It’s a system. Just ike there are systems in offense there are systems on defense. Before we pass judgement on a bunch of new and young players in a new system let’s see how it looks first. Defense wasn’t a huge part of the 12 win season, we couldnt rebound and couldn’t shoot the 3 either and had a coach for most of the season WHO DIDN’T WANT TO COACH!!!! What kind of effort would you be able to put out playing for a coach who didn’t want to coach?
We have 4 guys back out of 15 and a new coach and owner. New Arena some new fans. I’m about chemistry. I as a yankee fan saw guys like scott brosious, Paul O’Neil and others be medocre role players become cogs on great teams. Its about how they play together not what they do on thier own.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
It's not that hard to figure how AJ feels about this move
Avery is the one making the decisions now. And he decided to ship Lee out. YOU DO THE MATH.
Yep, we were right all along about Avery trying to make TWill into more of a 2, because he knew CLee was a tradable asset, only if TWill could fill his spot.
Avery will make sure TWill gets all the best coaching.
Look at what Kiki got out of that kid
now imagine what AJ could do with him. I’m salivating already!
as long...
…as T-Will keeps his head up, responds proactively to good, firm coaching, and keeps working hard on his shooting, decision making, and individual defense, he’ll be fine.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
"yes sir"
is all that needs to be said when Avery pulls him to the side and tells him to get his butt in gear. That’s all that needs to be said from everyone wearing a Nets uni.
Shut up, listen, and work.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Andres
High 5 bro, because you and I were right all along about Williams.
T-Will is a 3rd string player my BEHIND. Get real.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You are completely wrong. Lee was a disappointment. His offense is mediocre. IMO he will not average much more than 20 minutes in Houston. He will be out of sight, out of mind. No regrets. I watched most of the Nets games last year including some at home up close and I can’t remember Lee making a positive difference. He was only an asset in the sense that he brought back Murphy. That is a nice return on a non performing asset.
by ispartan on Aug 12, 2010 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You would want to just give up a young talent (chip) for a trip to the playoffs?
This is the same thing that i said to you about your horrible opinion that we should trade Williams for Carl Landry or Taj Gibson. Now, all of a sudden it’s different.
Your credibility is shot bro, i’m sorry, but you are not consistent at all with any of your opinions. This all has to do with your dislike for Williams, simple and plain.
And Lee did not want to be here, it was rumored this was the case last summer and his agent’s trade demands confirmed it.
Let it go. You were proven wrong about T-Will being the odd man out, and now you’re trying to complain about nothing.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
okay?
but Lee is not even comparable to Ariza.
But he is comparable. Their skill sets are somewhat comparable, and who was Trevor Ariza before he ended up on the Laker bench, another Isiah draft pick with a big question mark…
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
So then it seems to be
That players can raise or lower perfomances when placed in different places in different systems??? Alot of folks were real high on Ariza. And he was prominent on that Laker Team. Kobe wanted him back as his wing man. Lee isn’t even going to start in Houston…lol.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I think though many people have said it since last year.
C. Lee was never happy to be here.
Murphy at least seems like he is happy to be home in Jersey.
I will take that then have someone that wants nothing to do with the team.
He seems thrilled now but maybe we should look back at his comments when he was traded to the Nets from the Magic.
I hope he does well but we have two talented shooting guards with one that has all the potential in the world.
we will not miss Courtney Lee.
Forget Courtney LEE
He’s trash, good riddens. Courtney Lee is a girl’s name anyway. We’ll have fun beating you in the season
Uh...what?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Aug 12, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The difference Between This year squad and Past squads.
We now seem to have players who are naturally talented, no more players who have to work extra hard in the offseason to work on there jumper etc EX(Antoine Wright) we now have guys like Morrow who were built to shoot, guys like T-will who just oozes talent, Favors, Lopez, D-James, Murphy etc. We are also deeper, although I liked Lee this had to be done, he was just to inconsistent just seemed like a player who needed more around him to be successful could not hold it down himself.
no more players who have to work extra hard in the offseason to work on there jumper etc EX(Antoine Wright) we now have guys like Morrow who were built to shoot, guys like T-will who just oozes talent
TW is one of the worst SGs in the league in terms of percentage. He shot 10% worse than Lee from jumper range AND close range. He better be working “extra hard” in the offseason. I don’t care how much he oozes.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Yeah but he already affected the game more than most players we had as a Rookie and no jumper.
Watching Summer league he has worked on it, but his basketball IQ and handle and control for the game is natural, unlike other players.
So he is a player who should not be working on his outside shot?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No he should and is
But saying even without it last year he affected the game more than Lee and lets say an Antoine wright other players who we drafted came thru these doors, he is naturally talented.
And I was responding to
no more players who have to work extra hard in the offseason to work on there jumper etc
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying is that we drafted players like Wright
Had Lee who were said to be good shooters we saw how that urned out, now we have a guy like Morrow who can hit jumpers in his sleep.
And we have a 30%ish SG starting ahead of him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
because that's the % he will shoot for the rest of his career, right?
spare me kv, seriously dude you are reaching here.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY...
WHO he is n his ROOKIE year on a 12 win team with a shotgun coach is exactly who he will always be. T-Will will get to the line he will slash. And maybe having some shooting contest with Morrow, Murphy and Outlaw get that jumper better.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
TW is one of the worst SGs in the league in terms of percentage. He shot 10% worse than Lee from jumper range AND close range.
Wow so its just about shooting huh? Not about rebounds and assists? Jkidd with no jumper got us to back to back finals. We need a PLAYMAKER or SHOTMAKER at the 2. Courtney Lee was NEITHER. T-will is a Playmaker and Morrow is a shot maker. We win
The JETS/NETS are coming!
This is funny
Everyone can stop about the Rockets wanting Lee…of course they said that. They needed to save money so they found best cheap option out there. End of story.
exactly
it’s like you need a box of tissues for this damn place.
We could pull a deal that brings both Paul and Anthony to the Nets and the complaints would still fly.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that's what is was for the Rockets
but for us we got what we needed and balanced out team, so why does it matter why the Rockets wanted lee. Even if THEY him, WE didn’t so we made the trade. it was a good trade for all involved.
What Rocket SB has determined about Lee from watching tape:
Defense
* Quick feet, can cut off some of the quicker ball handlers out there. Quick enough to keep up with the likes of Deron Williams, etc.
* Forced Derrick Rose into three straight misses in isolation during an overtime game. That’s impressive.
* Knows how to force an opponent into a help defender. Effectively used Brook Lopez’s help last year.
* Not as rangy as Ariza and doesn’t play the passing lanes quite as aggressively, which is both a good and bad thing.
* Despite his height (6-foot-5), he can match up with taller ball handlers. Did a nice job on Kevin Martin when facing the Rockets. May struggle with a taller, more physical player, though.
* Opponents shot 33.8% against Lee in isolation situations last year.
* Decent at getting through picks, but can get caught pretty easily. Does a nice job of trailing if beat, if that’s any consolation.
* Closes out nicely against jump shooters, gets a hand up every time.
Offense
* Quick shot release. Can catch and shoot very quickly.
* Natural form, rhythm to his shot, unlike Ariza, who essentially picked up the outside shot five years into his career.
* Can elevate easily off the dribble. Here’s a good example.
* Generally looks like a natural basketball player. Has a good IQ, understanding of where to be on offense, how to spread the floor. Likes the short jumper in the corner and shows for post players if doubled.
* Great in transition, among the best regarding his transition points per possession. Good for 29th in the league.
* Can finish with both hands. Can finish below the rim. Doesn’t need to rely on athleticism to score around the rim.
* Not terribly great off the dribble, but can take advantage when an opportunity presents itself.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Why is role player a derogatory term?
What’s wrong with being a role player if that’s how you succeed? Can a team win without role players?
Yeah but when viewing who has more potential between
Morrow T-Will and himself you don’t choose a player who’s height is a role player all I’m saying.
And Morrow has a chance to be more than a role player?
What is he, a smaller Peja AT BEST?
TWill I will admit has more potential, borderline allstar, but not the Dwayne Wade that some people are suggesting. Try andre iguodala (who still isn’t an allstar)
A small Peja at best???
No how about Michael Redd??, we haven’t really seen the most he can do he was in Golden State, that place was a joke no structure
and????
A team that realizes they have to drop a better player for a cheap contract is going to find a million reasons to make them feel better about the move. I hope you’re not posting this to prove that the Rockets were actively looking for Lee prior to spending too much money.
Just posting it as information Net fans might find interesting. If they don’t, the don’t..
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 12, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Very interesting...
Lee is a very nice backup SG and the third best SG on the Nets.
Murphy averages a double double, is the best PF on the Nets (until Favors gets experience) and is an expiring contract.
Bass is short for a PF, not a good rebounder and overpaid…who would you prefer?
Bass is overpaid? He makes in three years what Murphy will make this year. Murphy is a ten year vet (coming), he is what he is and has ZERO upside and will be gone next year.
Bass is short for a PF? He is 6’8" and has a 7’2.5" wingspan. He is the right size for a PF. And he is 25.
I would rather have Bass because I think Favors needs to be paired with a good PF for a FEW years. At least Murphy will be gone though at years end, and we will have someone new there.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Brandon Bass is an inferior player to Murphy. You are wrong on all counts.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy will re-sign
He loves the New York area, is a Jersey kid and if the Nets can keep him for the MDE thats big Lopez, Murphy and Favors I doubt they get a super star talent thru the draft or Free agency (never have) but they can get it thru a trade which is most likely why did they pay Outlaw big Money? was it because Avery in his time away did some scouting on players he would like from the 2010 free agency and saw some flaws he can fix in this guy(a keeper for 5 years) or was it because he had no other choice and needed a small forward? Harris will need to pass him the ball alot if they are looking for his trade value to go up and get Anthony thru a trade this season Outlaw,Hump, Ross and a Pick is all the Nets should give up if they want Anthony during the season.
Outlaw...
…was not paid “big money” by any means in NBA terms. His deal is not killing us, but I do agree with the sentiment that the two extra years I could have done without.
But I like the idea of resigning Murphy especially since he will come cheaper and we need three solid bigs to compete on a larger scale.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
But to you
what position would this team need to improve/get a superstar it would probably be the only position besides the Shooting Guard if T-Will is not that guy but he probably will be that guy so that only leaves the Small Foward spot its either develope Outlaw into a star like Avery did with Howard or make him worth 7million and trade him for someone like Anthony during the season its the only position i see them getting a superstar because then they have to give Lopez and T-Will big money in a couple of years so all that cap would go to waste.
If they get a star point you need to trade Harris but Harris is the Nets only allstar it wouldn’t make sense, if they get a star shooting guard they would have to give up T-Will, but he seems special to alot of people if they get a star Small forward they have to trade Outlaw they would not give up Lopez or Favors where does that supertstar fit (out of the five positions) a team needs one to win a championship.
+1000
Exactly Murphy wants to be here. And unless they can get a Major star which will ony happen IF Melo is Available he isnt going anywhere. And if Murphy has a good experience being home with all his fam and friends at his games and loving the metro nightlife he will be back here.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I actually live in Houston
I have yet to seen or talk to a rocket fan that likes this move.
Plus the fans seem to thing Brooks and Martin could be the second coming of Cat and Franchise with all the shots they will be jacking up
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 12, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
One aspect of the trade I haven't seen mentioned in this forum...
The Rockets also received a trade exemption worth a little over 6million. Morey is quoted as saying that he has been given allowance to use that trade exemption if it helps the team. This means that they could end up taking on more salary this year had they not consummated the trade (Lee salary + 6million worth of acquired talent > Ariza’s salary). So, if they don’t use the trade exemption and don’t add salary over the next several months then one could argue that part of the desire on Morey’s part was to dump salary, however if the do use the trade exemption and add salary, then you have to judge the trade on talent and performance alone. In that case, it would be saying that they clearly valued Lee over Ariza.
by PhilippeinBoston on Aug 12, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
My thoughts
I don’t like the trade because I really respect Lee’s game, particularly his perimeter defense. He was on contract with us for 3 years at peanuts, Murphy may very well leave after one season. I would have rather had us spend Outlaw’s money to sweeten the pot for a free agent PF, even if it meant overspending for Tyrus, then I would have liked to see TWill and James fight for minutes at small forward. Yes I know Avery doesn’t believe TWill is a SF but I feel he could have been effective there.
Good bye to Lee
Lee was/is, a service player. If even one fan questions a player on the team, then there is a problem with that player. You get mixed emotions on Lee, while we all think Twill has a shot at super stardom.
This trade has given this team another dimension. I would take a bet that most of you will love Murphy by season end. He can play some center as well. The front office is doing a great job by adding dimensions and not just filling the roster with prospects, which seems like what most fans want right now.
Murphy will not garner another 12 mill a year. we can resign him and move on with him in the future.
View it as another asset
That’s what Troy is right now.
A talent we can use in the meantime, and can be an asset whatever comes up in the deadline.
Yes, he can be acquired for less, for the next contract he signs. Who knows, Nets might like him as a backup for Favors. =)
Flexibility is the key. And I think we have that right now.
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
Yes, I agree that there are scenarios where RoboCop (Murphy) re-signs for say a 3 year deal starting at 6 million (if Melo isn't available)
If Troy doesn’t re-sign, that means Nets probably turned a productive season into something better.
If Troy gets Nets to the playoffs, and Melo isn’t coming, you have to make some effort to re-sign him, even if Favors is ready for bigger minutes. Every team needs 3 good Bigs, and Troy can fill in at Center too. Nets were willing to pay Scola for 5 years (through age 35) so an extra 3 years for Murphy wouldn’t be terrible.
If Houston wanted Lee instead of TWil
God bless them because I wanted to give up Lee. In no way does it lessen the trade for th Nets.
TWil for a 1-year rental would’ve been the dumb move. But not as dumb as TWil for Bass.
by rundmc00 on Aug 12, 2010 4:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
They're saying that to appease the fans
The real reason is the luxury tax implications.
They already have Kevin Martin, he won’t start unless KMart is injured.
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
And guys on here with an agenda eat it up...
Anyone who wouldn’t trade Lee for Murphy but would trade TWil for Bass doesn’t know the game.
by rundmc00 on Aug 12, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
NOW THAT WOULD Have been a Fleecing...
When orlando got bass I was like wow him and Dwight together will be like a wall. And Bass couldn’t beat out Lewis at the 4. So So sad. So I’m good on Bass. Just glad this is over now. And I wouldn’t be against Murphy Retiring a Net if he plays well. When was the last time we had a legit double double Big guy? Most fans here can’t even remember back that far…lol. Murph is a TOP rebounder in the league. If he notches double digit rebounds he will be the first Net to do that since when?
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Isn't a requirement that KMart's get injured after signing a big contract?
That joke was for Run and NI
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Where is KV lol this is what King said!!!
“Courtney, I thought, took last year rough, with the wins and the up and down season,” King said. “I would have liked to hang on to him. But I looked at some of the guys we signed, and some of the guys we got coming back and I felt it was worth to move him to get Troy.”
Lee for Murphy...
Every day of the week and twice Sunday.
TWil should play big minutes under the best talent development coach in the league.
by rundmc00 on Aug 12, 2010 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
" best talent development coach in the league"
that’s a stretch. :)
But I hope so.
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
RoboCop will make Brook a better player. No longer will Lopez be dominated by certain Centers. Double-teaming BLopez will leave Murphy open. and vica verca.
There is no comparison between the impact Murphy would have vs. CLee (even if Morrow/TWill weren’t around to take his minutes).
Watch this
Courtney interview: http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/videos/2010/08/12/courtney-lee-i-feel-good-about-houston/
by corky_romano4life on Aug 12, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
He Looks Happy...
Good for him and them. Are they better than
Lakers
Nuggets
SPurs
Blazers
Suns
Thunder
Jazz
Rockets
Hornets
Grizzlies
Clippers
The JETS/NETS are coming!
At the end of the day
New Jersey needed a Starting Power Forward because Favors is still Raw they were overloaded with talent at the 2 guard. The nets now have a better team to compete for the playoffs all this team needs now is to get rid of one more member of that 12win team that would be Hump good backup, but Avery doesn’tsound like Hump is part of his plans they kept just three players from last year Williams,Harris, and Lopez their best three players and built around that now they should focus on trading Humpries for a Veteran Third String Point Guard and a Veteran Third String Power Forward the only needs for the team.
You can never have enough bigs...
And Hump is an expiring deal. May will have to prove he can play before they would consider trading Hump.
Probably
Net Income said Hump could be the Next traded the Netst do need a Injury Backup Point Guard which they don’t have but which Thrid String Point guard makes as much as Hump and Ross only Marcus Banks they probably Keep Hump and Ross though.
Wouldn’t you want one less player from that 12 win team they should just keep their three best players from that team thats it.
Only trade where they get a third string Point and Power F is from Toronto and Match salaries.
Banks and Dorsey for Hump and Ross
But your’e right they might keep Hump, but they still need a Point guard (third string which won’t demand playing time) and it doesn’t appear they will sign anyone from Free agency they only want non-garenteed contracts unless they keep UZOH.
Twill will be the 3rd point
I’m for trading Hump. Depending on the need, maybe a 3rd 5 if they’re going to cut Zoubek. But if Murphy can play 5, they better retain May and go for a 3rd string 2/3,
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
The good thing
is this team has no positions where they are weak and have guys that can play multiple positions.
I can’t even believe we’re now talking about 3rd stringers.
Though, we still have a lot of room (and hoping) to improve on, on ALL positions.
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
Keep Hump...
Wait for a team over the luxury cap to dump talent or picks for nothing.
by rundmc00 on Aug 12, 2010 8:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, you have to keep Hump even if Sean May has his first healthy year. Hump's value should stay low without much PT this year, and he could be extended inexpensively.
Suddenly with Murphy/May able to play some Center, Zoubek becomes expendable and Nets no longer have a weakness at backup Center.
I still like TWill for 3rd PG and would give Uzoh a good chance to make team. Uzoh could always be cut later in year, if necessary.
Without Zoubec, Nets still have 6 players who ONLY play the 4/5 position which is just right. (Lopez, Petro, Favors, Murphy, Hump and May with Outlaw and DJames possibilities at the 4).
Nets would have 8 players at the 1,2,3 positions, including Uzoh. 14 players is what Thorn always liked to start season at, to leave room for a pickup.
Defense!
Agree with kv. It all starts with perimeter defense. Imao, Nets should have resigned Dooling after they whiffed on big free agents. Now their 2 best perimeter defenders are gone. I know – 12 wins. But, none of the new crew replaced that. Imao, CLee is a system guy…any system. He could have thrived now that we’ll have a more structured offense/defense.
Disagree with kv: Don’t think Nets defense will regress this year, because of Avery, Twill development, Murphy is better than Yi, but could have taken a step forward. Offense should improve enough to compete for playoffs. Expected 36 wins before the trade (36-40 leaning toward 31-35). Actually think that 40 is more likely now. Most of the middle of the road teams are defensively challenged too. However Imao,an upside surprise is much less likely.
CLee is very limited...
I’d take Morrow’s shooting and TWil’s all around game any day.
Great job by King dumping Lee for a PF that averages a double double.
Is Murphy better than Lee?
by rundmc00 on Aug 12, 2010 8:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The last question refers to David Lee.
by rundmc00 on Aug 12, 2010 8:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you can translate his game easier
In different styles then David Lee, overall with everything money etc yeah I would say so Murphy can put up monster numbers himself.
Courtney
Disappointed me big time. In the 09 finals, he made shot after shot, played nice defense, and looked to have great potential. When we traded VC for him, I admit I was really happy; I mean even Shaq said he’d be a “star.” Unfortunately, he was terribly disappointing last season. He had the chance to show that he’s a great young talent. Instead, he whined for 2 months before coming to the team, then played like garbage. Never made any open shots, took low percentage runners and missed regularly, and played decent defense. I was expecting him to average 18-20 points on a team where he could do whatever he wanted.
In all, I think it’s for the better that he’s gone. He clearly didn’t want to be here, whereas Troy Murphy is “ecstatic” to return home. Not only is Murphy a better player, but he’s a better locker room presence IMO.
No reason for him to be here if he doesn’t want to be. So bye!
by corky_romano4life on Aug 12, 2010 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
+1
Once Avery sees how hard Hump plays, I think he will like him.
All good (playoff teams) need to be able to manage with injuries. Hump is insurance and helps to motivate teammates to play hard and physical (as does Murphy).
The Hump just needs to stop chucking.
It will be interesting. It’s pretty much a battle between May and Hump, May to make the team, Hump to stay in the rotation if May DOES make the team. Neither one will see minutes over Murphy and Favors anyway.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
he gets traded because he got disrespected alot because of taking that option for the 2010-2011 season and Thorn spoke like Lebron give me a call and ill trade Humpries to clear more cap that never happend, but then they go out and get May and Murphy now he is a third stringer they need those veteran “glue guys” which Uzoh and Zoubek are not if everything stays as is this will be the lineup.
Lopez/Petro/Murphy
Murphy/Favors/Hump
Outlaw/James/Ross
Williams/Morrow/Ross
Harris/Farmar/Williams
That is a solid rotation.
this is a business
The Hump should not feel disrespected. He is being paid.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh well
they got a solid team for now enough to make the playoffs on my opinion , this article was about Courtney lee and Houston made a good trade saved money and got another asset thats what he probably is because Morey wants to land a star. They got Lowry, Lee, Budinger, Hill, Hayes, Patterson, and Taylor they got a try to win now team with loads of Veterans Brooks, Martin, Battier, Scola, Yao, Jefferies, and Brad Miller well rounded team all around.
Houston looks solid to me
I like Morey and the way he’s run that operation. It’s a crime that the chinese government has pretty much killed Yao Ming’s career with their insane demands on his body, that team would be a legit contender with a 100% Yao in the middle.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 13, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that lineup
but that’s only 12 players.
What should they do with the non(or partially)-guaranteed contracts of May, Uzoh, and Zoubek?
Looks solid so far to start the season. But all of us agree that every position can still be improved.
"It's time", "I'll take my talent to ..." "Beat the Heat!"
Training Camp
they could still cut them if they don’t like what they see. They still need those Veteran “GLUE GUYS”
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