Nets Get Troy Murphy for Courtney Lee in Four-Team Deal
by Net Income on Aug 11, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
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PrintThe Nets have completed a four-team trade that sends Courtney Lee to the Rockets and brings Sparta native Troy Murphy to New Jersey. The deal was approved by the league offices at around 3 p.m. after being in the works for a week.
Besides the Nets and Pacers, the Rockets and Hornets were involved in the deal. James Posey and Darren Collison go to the Pacers while Trevor Ariza heads to the Hornets. ESPN's Chad Ford broke the story.
The 6'11" Murphy is one of the game's top three point shooters from the four spot, with a career percentage of 39.4%. With the addition of Murphy, Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar and Damion James, the Nets have the potential to become one of the league's top three point shooting teams.
"I'm excited about playing for the up-and-coming Nets and coach Avery Johnson," Murphy said. "I enjoyed my time in Indiana, but it's time to move on."
The trade, the first under King, will reduce the Nets' cap space by $10 million to about $4.3 million. Murphy, who has an expiring contract, makes $11.9 million this season while Lee, still on his rookie contract, makes $1.4 million. However, with Murphy, Kris Humphries and Quinton Ross' contracts expiring at the end of the season, the Nets could have more than $20 million in cap space come July.
- Sources: Four teams agree on trade - Chad Ford - ESPN
- Breaking down the 4-team trade - Kevin Arnovitz - ESPN
- NBA Trade Machine - ESPN
- In filling power forward hole, Nets bring Troy Murphy back home - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Nets to acquire Sparta native Troy Murphy - Dave D'Alessandro - NetsBlast
- Nets snag Murphy in four-team deal - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Nets acquire Sparta's Troy Murphy in four-team trade - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Jersey Product Comes Home - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone
- Nets Get More in Murphy Deal - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone
- Nets acquire Troy Murphy, solidify starting lineup - Stefan Bondy - The Internets
- Nets acquire forward Troy Murphy from Pacers in four-team deal that sends Darren Collison to Indiana - Stefan Bondy - New York Daily News
- Transcript of Billy King conference call regarding Murphy trade - Stefan Bondy - The Internets
- Nets Fill a Hole, Hornets Get Paul Some Help - Lynn Zinser - New York Times
- Nets get power forward - NJ's own Tory Murphy - Tom Canavan - AP
- Pacers get Collison from Hornets in 4-team trade - Clint Brunt - AP
- Hornets land Ariza in four-team trade - Marc J. Spears - Yahoo! Sports
- Rockets, Hornets, Nets, Pacers working on blockbuster trade - Chris Mannix - Sports Illustrated
- Report: Darren Collison to Pacers, Trevor Ariza to Hornets in Four-Team Trade - Tom Ziller - FanHouse
- Pacers trade Troy Murphy, acquire Darren Collison and James Posey - Mike Wells - Indianapolis Star
- Pacers Get Their Point Guard - Mike Wells - Indianapolis Star
- Who wins in four-team trade? Collison, Indiana and New Jersey big, but everyone really - Kurt Helin - NBC Sports
- Four-Team, Five-Player Trade Official - Ryne Nelson - SLAM
- We’re Not Done Yet? - Sekou Smith - NBA.com
- NETS: Nets Obtain Forward Troy Murphy from Indiana - New Jersey Nets
- NETS: Nets Trade for NJ Product Murphy to Fill in at Power Forward - Ben Couch - New Jersey Nets
- NETS: A Quick Bit of Analysis - Ben Couch - New Jersey Nets
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This is not related and it's not for you KJV
I just want to hear the CLee fans here
haha I’m glad he’s out of this team
incosistent and too short to be an SG
I guess were gonna see Twill with Harris next season. And with the addition of Murphy I guess were gonna be a pretty decent team
Harris
Twill
outlaw
Murphy
lopez
here comes the nets
by mayk on Aug 11, 2010 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rec'd
Jerry, you were right man.
I owe you a beer, sir.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You should
he was the one of the few that kept on posting Troy Murphy to the Nets and MrDollars and Andres B and yourself should have opened your eyes (and some others) and knew what I and a few others were talking about T-Will or Lee were bound to get traded.
Andres was on record as liking Troy Murphy.
NI and others were saying that Troy Murphy was too slow, but then if he was also quick, he would have been an All Star every year.
Can’t have everything, but note that Nets preserved all their draft picks.
Actually it was Dave D. who first mentioned Murphy, but he also kind of dismissed getting Murphy as being a cap killer.
Now DaveD. seems to be embracing the trade.
Once Favors gets a little experience, I could see Favors and Murphy on the court together, in case Lopez is out.
Therefore, this trade also strengthens the Nets Center position as Murphy is a tough rebounder and has hurt the Nets in the past.
Not To Toot My Own Horn
But I’ve been on the Murphy train since early July too!
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
kudos Jerry!
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And you were the one who found the Indiana article that gave the first hint that they would unload Murphy for cap space, provided that Hansbrough and Foster were healthy.
That article was dated July 28 and it mentioned multiple inquires about Murphy (now we know Nets were one of the teams).
http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/07/pacers_trying_t.html
Since Indiana got what they wanted from New Orleans, they just moved quicker than expected.
The other clues to the puzzle, were the strange statements from Avery about TWill – 1,2 2,1, definitely not a 3.
Avery was thinking of moving CLee, not TWill, as some of us noted by his lack of significant mention of CLee.
Obviously there was also interest in CLee and his nice contract and not just TWill.
Thank you Net Income. I had asked you to apologize. I deserve a 1st Class Membership in NetsDaily now.
Whoops, you don’t have 1st Class Memberships.
Got to catch up on the News and how it affects the Sean May signing.
CONGRATS JERRY!!!
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by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well it appears that King and Avery think like I do. Net Income and DaveD et al. have to stop thinking as Rod Thorn would.
King and Avery want to make the playoffs. I have said everyday that Proky expects to make the playoffs and still preserve cap space for next summer.
Haven’t read the details, but I probably am also correct about Avery using TWill at SG, because the Nets had wind of another team desiring CLee. Avery has known about this possibility since the Summer League.
As I said, there were teams inquiring about Troy Murphy. I just didn’t think Larry Bird would have given in so soon. But I also said that if he waits too long, then the Nets (the team most likely to take Murphy’s large salary) might not be interested.
I also deserve credit for being the #1 advocate for Avery Johnson.
That should be good for a Lifetime membership in NetsDaily if they now make the playoffs this year and move on to better things.
Well done jerry25
What I want to know now is whether you predicted it or initiated it…..your old teacher might have been right.
PS I like Murphy as a NET better then Biden as VP
The question is, do all the people who are cheering the move NOW think that you were thinking correctly all along?
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by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t a broken clock at all. He correctly identified (apparently) the Net priorities, and well done. If you disagree with him, you disagree with the Nets.
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by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I THINK WE CAN MAKE THE PLAYOFFS NOW
Been working on getting Troy Murphy for over a month.
Jerry25 had me figured out. He knew I was planning to try to get TWill to play SG so that I could use CLee in a trade to get a real PF like Troy Murphy. Troy and Derrick will be good together. I like Tall/Big Power Forwards.
Now if we can make the playoffs, maybe Melo will be coming next summer?
by jerry25 on Aug 11, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
you didn’t just get an ordinary apology, you got a DEEP one.
Congrats & kudos to Net Income.
by kiemurphy on Aug 11, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Me too! He was wearing me out with it. But it happened. I liked C-Lee but this deal does make sense for us. Now if C -Lee becomes mr 20ppg guy in Houston. Then that’s another story.
I just hope Murph doesn’t mind defending. And if we don’t move him what will it cost to keep him next year and beyond??
The JETS/NETS are coming!
..........
With Morrow & T-Will playing SG, and Avery already saying that Farmar & Harris would play on the floor together, it was only a matter of time before we traded C. Lee.
Troy Murphy is a nice fit for us & his expiring contract is the cherry on top.
how could Houston...
only want Lee in exchange for Ariza? $?
by corky_romano4life on Aug 11, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
Houston saved quite a bit of money by reducing their luxury tax bill.
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And Ariza was expendable in many ways after becoming less effective with Kevin Martin around.
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$$$- Lee is cheaper.
Lee will be fine there. It is a great fit for lee. They are still a good defensive team.
Not really
Unless Martin gets hurt. They both play SG and only SG,
I think this is a great trade
Doesn’t Murphy’s contract expire after this year anyway? Great rebounder who can shoot the three. Actually, prob top 3 rebounder in NBA right now.
Marc Spears says it's done and they're making the call to the league office as we speak
I like Murphy for a one-year rental.
I'm a fan of this trade
He can rebound, shoot, but the key question is can he stay healthy?
But nice to see a Jersey native come to the Nets
Ryan Anderson
I still want to know why we traded Ryan
Thorn's mistake
As I understand it, Thorn had the option of taking JJ Redick or of taking Lee in exchange for Anderson. Thorn simply screwed that one up. Redick is as good as Lee anyway, so he basically gave away Anderson for free.
you mean reddick is better than lee
i agree it would have been a good trade if we took reddick instead of lee. however, we might not have been able to keep reddick anyway after this year. hindsight is 20/20.
Nice
Murphy is an excellent player. Rebounds well and shoots better than any of our previous “stretch 4”s. And, as noted above, Courtney Lee is surplus to requirements – he does nothing that Morrow/TWill can’t.
I like this.
But how do you guys think this looks on Billy King’s resume?
Consequences will never be the same.
If Lee ever makes an all defensive team...
How many GM’s have traded away multiple future all defensive team selections for basically nothing?
So the difference between Lee and Murphy's contract is $10.6 million
Takes away from the in-season flexibility a bit, I think, re: trading for a superstar.
I thought the same at first but actually Murphy can be a valuable trading chip at the deadline.
11 million dollar contract coming off the books. Many teams would want that, especially teams looking to deal disgruntled stars.
Plus you can trade a player for
125% of their salary. Can’t do that with cap space. The expiring is more valuable. And the Nets still have about $5 million to help a luxury tax team if they want to shed a contract.
Stupid trade. Troy Murphy is an expiring contract, We could just sign him out right next year. Courtney Lee is a good young player, despite the fact that I like TWill better. We are not winning any rings this year, so why do this now? Billy King, not liking this buddy.
Stupid trade. Troy Murphy is an expiring contract, We could just sign him out right next year.
I completely disagree. Next year, Murphy will demand a multi-year deal and this is just a way to buy Favors time until he’s ready.
exactly
It’s the perfect move… not to mention Murhpy becomes a valuable trading chip at the trade deadline and this takes care of the logjam we have in the backcourt…
doesn't matter
with a possible lockout and new CBA, Murph wont be getting the the same $$$.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Aug 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
or lots of years...
becuase he’s over 30.
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Aug 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If Murphy does good, Nets can choose to re-sign him for much less per year. If a big FA is coming, Nets will Pass. Likewise if Favors is ahead of schedule they can pass on Murphy next summer.
If Nets make the playoffs, the publicity will be huge and FAs WILL take notice, just like they did for Chicago Bulls.
I just value Lee more than you I guess. We gave up Lee for that ‘stopgap’ we all talked about. Lee is a damn fine role player. Hate to see him go.
Its a role player we controlled for the next few years compared to a guy who will be gone in one year. And a starter can be a role player. I think Lee is likely to be a player for a championship contender than is Murphy. Murhphy can’t defend.
Murphy isn't necessarily gone.
He’s only gone if Nets get a top FA or if Favors is well ahead of schedule.
If Murphy has a good season, he may price himself out of the Nets future cap space, but then if he has a good season, there is a good chance he would be responsible for Nets making the playoffs.
So if Troy is gone in one year, chances are the Nets would be in better shape.
it's not about signing him next year
it’s about depth at PF, which we had none of.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
CLee
CLee’s a good player but we had too many wings. Terrence Williams, Morrow, CLee, Outlaw, DJames. Considering neither TWill, CLee, or Morrow can’t play the 3 for long stretches, this is a perfect trade. We were going to end up hurting one of our wings development. This gets rid of the logjam and gives as a starting caliber PF until Favors is fully ready to take over.
We need Troy this year, that is why it makes sense to get him now. Next year, who knows. Maybe Favors will be ready to take the minutes.
by ispartan on Aug 11, 2010 4:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nets will have to send cash as well?
His contract is 11,000,00 I am sure Nets will have to throw some cash and TE?
We're almost 15 mil under the cap, right?
And so said the old man!
If im doing the math correct next yr with Murphy Ross and Humps expiring contracts are cap would go to 18-19 million in space
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
which is exactly what we wanted going into Next Year
And so said the old man!
I love you guys no homo, but you guys are right on target We are trying to get Melo and remember we got to win 40+ gms and make the playoffs and hopefully knicks struggle
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
he can still make the team if i'm not mistaken
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprised NOH gave up Collison
That guy was something else for them last year.
Consequences will never be the same.
HA.
That’s what I was thinking. This means Paul isnt being traded anywhere for the time being.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
poor Knicks I will enjoy beating them at the Rock on my Bday
And so said the old man!
Hmmmmm
Let the conspiracy trades begin….
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Melo anyone?
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
In a trade?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
FA next yr we will have the cap space,
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Not in a trade is what I meant.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything they can do to help appease CP3. Like Colangelo signing Hedo, desperate times call for...
NO....
….is foolish. I would have never let Collison go with CP3 taking advice from LRMR
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
as he should be...
doesn’t have the upside that T-Will has and he is the perfect player to trade for a 1 year rental until Favors is ready… T-Will is too valuable to trade for a 1 year rental
Morrow has a better long range shot, and while Lee is advanced defensively, he just doesn't have the upside that T-Will has.
T-Will has the tools to be a star in this league, but he wouldn’t have been able to show his stuff with Lee in front of him in the depth chart. Great move by King. Couldn’t have asked for better than this at this stage in the offseason.
What he lacked in size he made up for in effort and technique
Don’t think he’ll have any problem guarding most every shooting guard or point guard
agreed
He actually has great size for the 2, and definitely has the athleticism and tools to be a great defender down the road.
With Shane Battier as his mentor in Houston
I wouldn’t be surprised if we look back at this trade and think we got shafted after all
um
Even with Kevin Martin in front of him? We might look at this trade and wonder why Courtney isn’t getting any playing time. Houston has a couple nice young wing players. (Chase, Taylor, etc)
Yes even with Kevin Martin in front of him
Lee isn’t a numbers guy. He’ll outplay Budinger or Taylor because he provides twice the defense they do
Yeah I think he did a better job on guys like Rose
Guys like Kobe would just post him up out muscle him.
Murphy,May first 2 moves +1
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Finally some action, and some action that I am not upset about! Lee has the least upside for all our 2’s, so this will really free up growing room for who we have left. I would still prefer to start Favors, but ay, Ill take the Horse any day…
ANyone know why they call him the Horse anyway?
its a nice trade
but it doesnt make the nets a playoff team. I think Lee would have helped the Nets more in the future. I doubt the Nets are willing to pay Murphy long term money to stay next year.
I disagree
Murphy is a double double, now everybody will know their role in the guard rotation allow T-will an morrow to flourish, Murphy will help out Lopez.
i disagree why cant this team be a playoff team?
Harris/Twill/Outlaw/Murphy/Lopez
Not good for a 8th seed aleast
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was reading onRealgm and they didnt show The players in the trade, and i was pumped i was like Chris Paul to nets please god, then i clicked on the Article and it was Murphy still nice trade
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I knew Morrow was going to start
Ok, I didn’t know, but I always felt that he would, even with Lee still here.
Still doubt he will...
It’s T-Will’s position to lose now i think…
Murphy's basic stats from last season
PPG
14.6
RPG
10.20
APG
2.1
BPG
0.5
Very nice move by Mr. King, if healthy.
Consequences will never be the same.
That's the only question mark for Murphy
But hopefully he can stay on the hardwood and be a big contributor this year
If he has to get injured, he should wait until March.
And so said the old man!
Do people have any idea how limited Morrow is? He can’t defend half as good as Lee. And he needs to be setup for shots.
How so? The stats showed an astronomical amount of his scoring came directly off of assists. Do you disagree? Also, he did not seem to be a good defender in Golden State, surely does not have the lateral quickness Lee had. Do you disagree?
I do disagree
I have League pass and watched several of his games (he was on one of my fantasy teams). He was able to create his shot several times. He didn’t do it a lot bc Ellis had ball in hands 85% of time, with Curry the other 15. There were plenty of stretches where he was unguardable.
Now, for his defense, you may be right. It’s hard to judge a player having bad defense when he plays on a team that plays bad defense as a whole.
and by the way
what’s so bad about being able to knock down a lot of shots (behind the arc) directly off an assist?
Nothing bad about it, its why I loved the Morrow signing so much. We finally have a great shooter. I never saw Morrow as the big minute guy though and think of him as inferior player to Lee who has a better all around game and was beginning to find himself the second half of last season. This year I expect him to be better still. Morey knows what he is doing there.
I'm sick of waiting for players to find themselves
I can only remember 1 game that Lee stood out. His first (27pts).
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He has to be an upgrade over Yi
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by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He is definitely an upgrade over Yi. Yi looked ridiculous matched up with Troy. Also, RA for CLee for Troy is very good.
by ispartan on Aug 11, 2010 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The more I think about this trade...
The more I like it.
I still dont think we make the playoffs this season. But it is all coming together for the future.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe u said 37 wins yesterday when the schedule came out nothing wrong with that i expected 39-40 wins before this trade and now i believe 8th seed and 41-42 wins
How many wins you think we can win? now with murphy
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I hadnt made an official prediction
But I had thought 33 wins. With Murphy…open lanes….3 pointers…. I can see 37 wins. If we are very lucky, we end the season at .500 as the 8 seed.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Sry bro i thought i saw ur SN when someone said 37 wins and you said thats what i was thinking, sry about tho wrong person
Agree 37-40 wins but on paper avery and the coaching staff has to much talented players to not get to 40 wins aleast
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
This team should be able to win at least 38 games.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
aka a short term move
I don’t see the wisdom in following Proky’s promises of the playoffs this year if it means you’re making yourself weaker in the long run.
Who would you have traded?
They’re wasn’t playing time available for all these young great wings.
Outlaw, Farmar and Hump won't be in a Nets uniforms by the trading deadline
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by jasperjarrod on Aug 13, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
great for us on so many levels
1. Gives us a veteran PF until Favors is ready.
2. Takes care of the logjam in the backcourt and gives T-Will his opportunity to flourish.
3. Gives us a very valuable tradiing chip at the trade deadline.
4. His contract is expiring next year anyway.
5. This hopefully keeps CP3 away from the Knicks.
by denofgiants on Aug 11, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
+1
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
BT from espn Doesnt like the Trade all he said was to much
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Can anyone...
…give us some info on how Murphy is defensively? Otherwise, I’m off to the Pacers blog to do some scouting
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His basketball reference page
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
All I know is he's tough
I remember a player said every time he would score would yell YEEE HAWWW in opposing players faces lol, don’t know if he still does it.
That would be awesome if he still does that
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well below-average. Which could be a problem playing next to Lopez, but Avery can platoon Favors as the defensive replacement for Troy.
Promoting a grenade-free America.
this is what i suspected.
sigh…….
oh well. At least we have rebounding, hustle, and shooting.
The Platoon looks decent but Favors will need to assert himself on the defensive end for this to work out better than expected.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
i know Murphy might have some problems, but this could be a win-win for the Nets later on in the season
If we are struggling and murphy is doing good hes a expiring contract and we can trade him for good value
If we are playing great and we are in the playoffs and murphy is doing good and we go to gm 7 against the heat, you know what that means MELO, but who knows i love this trade, another thing its not like we didnt have morrow or ross we have them who can help out behind Twill so its good we split time between May Favors and Humps were all good and then Favors takes over next yr
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
This trade is just good enough to protect Favors enough, simplify the SG problem and make sure that we don’t end up with a top three pick in the draft. Some good things, but really nothing that says that we are building towards a Championship. Not a trade to be hated (and congrats to Jerry for thinking it through), but not a trade to be loved either.
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by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
kv
Admit me to me that you were wrong about Williams being the odd man out.
Do it. NOW.
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by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve already admitted it. But you have to understand he WAS the odd man out, and is NOT now, as far as I see it. As the team was constructed (which I said over and over) he WAS NOT the best fit of the three. Now he is a better fit. Still not great, but good enough. My problem was with the excess at SG (which everyone seemed to go around denying), and the lack of depth at PF (which everyone seemed to go around denying). The team addressed both, but in slightly different ways than I would have preferred.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i just wanted to read you admit it
Sorry about the typo above, you knew that I was going to mess with you bro
And you are wrong again. Williams was never the odd man out, otherwise Lee wouldn’t have been given up for a one year rental
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Not at all. Houston probably did not want TW.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
so how does that prove that he was the odd man out?
if the Nets valued Lee more, they wouldn’t have traded him.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true at all. It depends on demand. Who knows if Houston turned down a TW trade, or NJ drove a hard bargain and refused to trade TW. The point of the matter is that the trade does not give evidence one way or another.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
KV the Nets love T-will and his potential lol
“The trade also seems to signal more playing time for versatile second-year swingman Terrence Williams as the Nets parted with starting shooting guard Courtney Lee to get Murphy.” From AL with Record
Its like reading tea leaves or ink blots. If it is correct that Lee’s agent has been urging for a trade, the trade signals nothing about TW.
And, of course the trade “also seems” to indicate that Lee had more trade value.
It indicates whatever you want it to.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee's value isn't worth anything with us
He is the type of player that needs help to be good, needs to be on a team already situated, cannot create for himself or be the man, his ceiling is role player. Although a good one in my eyes.
And as the team WAS constructed, we needed that kind of role player (defense and shooting) – in my opinion.
But really the more important point for me was getting someone to protect Favors. One of the two (TW or Lee) needed to be traded, and there were arguments for both.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What is kind of interesting is that by getting a stretch the court PF, it not only opens the post for Lopez, but it will make TWs game more effective as well.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright!
Some positive burn for TW from KV! Why a smart guy like you doesn’t get on the TW bandwagon befuddles me. I think he could be great! VC with attitude. And no shot.
Well, no one’s perfect.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t like bandwagons. I like looking at situations and contexts. I have always said that it was nothing personal against TW. It was TW for the team as it was constructed.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
same thing that I was thinking KV
The whole idea about adding shooters, from my pov, was to open up things for our three best players.
Now with a legitimate 4 that can rebound defensively and stretch the floor on O, we can play Harris/Williams/Outlaw and not have to worry
The more I think about it, the more I think this team is going to be very good. We have depth at every spot. We still don’t have that superstar yet, but building the team to capitalize the abilities of the three guys that can get their own shot off will only lead to good things. Next comes 20 mil in cap room and all of our picks.
And people wanted to sign David Lee. Pffft.
King, Avery, Marks, Prokhy, etc are on the right path
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, one of the positives of this trade is that it balances the team out front court ve backcourt. This is the first time this summer that I am happy about Nets move.
by ispartan on Aug 11, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fantasy.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ariza's Laker stint made him look better than he was
Never knew why they signed him to that contract can’t shoot, or create off the dribble that well meaning Ariza.
But that's the problem, same way with Lee
When you try to make players who shouldn’t be creating off the dribble, create off the dribble. Guy like him and Lee, their true value will come out on a contender where they play the Bowen or Posey role. Same way with Lee. His value to us is nowhere near how valuable he was to Orlando in the Finals. What’s wrong with keeping them at the perimeter to shoot and dedicating them on defense?
I agree but I think higher ups felt like he had the lowest upside over Morrow and T-will
Wanted them to get minutes to flourish, we still have guys like James and Farmar. He will fit better in Houstan I’m sure of that we asked him to do to much here.
I don't see how Morrow has more upside than Lee
I mean, Lee has the potential to be an elite defender, and he’s shot 40% from three before. What does Morrow bring beside shooting?
What were Reggie Miller's strengths?
And so said the old man!
Can you develop nonstop off the ball movement?
Does Morrow have great stamina to do so? Good speed or dexterity?
didn't answer the question.
And so said the old man!
The difference of course was that Reggie was a Shooter AND a scorer, and Morrow is just a shooter. But that is okay. Highly valued.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Only once. 85% of his shots come from jumpshot range and he draws almost NO FOULS. Drawing fouls is a mark of a scorer.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
come on KV
how are you going to pigeon hole a player and you’ve ony seen him once? Watch the vid and tell me he’s only a spot of shooter.. You couldn’t be more wrong..
Is he gonna come near a player who was the very poster boy of constant off the ball movement?
AKA is Morrow gonna be near Rip Hamilton level? Morrow’s more than a catch and shoot guy, but his skill set is not nearly as diverse
I never said he was only a spot shooter. I said he isn’t a scorer. (And I watched this youtube before). How many games have you seen him play.
Primary to being a scorer is being able to draw fouls and LIVE at the FT line.
Can I ask, did you watch Miller play?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is none of us know
It’s speculation at best on what any of these players can do. The only thing we know is he CAN shoot the 3. Anything else is a guess because none us of have seen him a great deal. What I will say is that he has worked hard enough to become a legit NBA player after not getting drafted. Nobody is saying he’s a HOF player.
I also know that CLee wasn’t an impact player and did nothing to demend that he be on the court. I’d rather have Twill and Morrow rather than Clee. I know Morrow can shoot.
Then we agree to some degree. But comparing him to Miller who was an unusual talent in several ways was a bit out of school.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I drank the Morrow Koolaid
I watched ALL the youtube stuff.
The blowing by durant, Melo, Roy. The torching Kidd over and over again…lol. Quick release. Jumper comes off the dribble very easily and from anywhere. The drives to the basket. He is fearless when he is on. And efficient too. 47 in a Summer League game against Thornton and Collison. And won the Arena over.
At times C-Lee looked scared to me. From the footage I have seen Mr Morrow should start or be the first off the bench period. Scorers get to the line with equal parts skill and RESPECT. We as Nets fans should know this after the beatings we watched Brook take last year.
I feel bad for Lawrence Frank now. With a roster like this that drive and kick scheme wouldn’t have looked so bad. Morrow, Outlaw and Murphy on the floor at the same time? We may think Pac Man Jones is in the building making it rain…lol. Attention Nets Slashers and posters… The Lane is now OPEN.
Funny how Avery said… Morrow may beat out everyone at the 2…lol. I know Avery loves the underdog undrafted types. This kid will only get better.
Where do I get my Morrow Jerseu in a 2x?
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Keep in Mind...
I am a Nets Fan and it doesn’t take much to excite us. We are the same guys who watched Twill notch 2 triple doubles on a 12 win team and deemed him untouchable….lol
The JETS/NETS are coming!
seriously
1 game!? Too many people on this board are giving Morrow labels without watching him play. I have watched at least 20+ of his games (league pass – on my fantasy team)
Give us a good scouting report.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee is to small to be an elite defender IMO
Not good enough handling the ball or shooting off the dribble to take the next step.
He's not supposed to be an offensive player
There were question marks about Lee’s size prior to last year’s draft, but because of his toughness and ability to compete at a high level, he’s able to overcome any limitations. He has a solid frame, playing much stronger than he looks. He fights through screens, competes in the post, maintains good a stance on the ball and displays good lateral speed.
EXCELLENT Move!!
With the log-jam at SG Lee was the expendable piece and to get a guy who will give us 15-10(if healthy) AND is an expiring deal is a fabulous deal. Very happy right now!
He is not good defensively
But as long as he is healthy, we clearly have a good trade on our hands.
Consequences will never be the same.
rec it if you like it
And so said the old man!
by KJV on Aug 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very well could
Murhpy’s contract could prove to be a great trading asset at the trade deadline.
cool. So we can be over the cap with a “star” (of unknown name, and disputable stardom) by the end of the year. Fantastic!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Copious amounts of cap space would have been an even better trade asset at the trade deadline. Expiring contracts as trade assets are most valuable to teams that are over the salary cap cause you need them to match salaries without burdening the trade partner with long term salary. We did not have that issue before because we could send back trade exemptions. Our trade position at the deadline this yr remains strong, but I would suggest it is not as strong as it was before this trade.
This pretty much means forget about CP3 being traded anywhere.
At least for the time being.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this move and I already thought The Nets had a chance to make the playoffs but with Murphy I feel even more confident. I just hope Murphy doesn’t start over Favors, Favors should be with the starting lineup so that he can learn and develop. Murphy should come off the bench and play with T Will and control the 2nd unit, and this moves also gives us someone that can play in close games, so it’s a win/win.
That's why they have training camp
to determine who starts and what the rotation is.
Nets = Global
Knicks = Local
Not gonna happen
Murphy is a veteran. He will definitely start until Favors is ready to take over, which is probably not this year.
Nets starters 3pt% last season
Harris 28%
Morrow 46%
Outlaw 38%
Murphy 38%
Welcome to some breathing room Mr. Lopez and Mr. Harris. And Farmar comes off the bench shooting 38%!
by Netted on Aug 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
That statistic put a smile on my face.
Quite unbelievable.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This image popped up in my head when you said that.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i might be slow but it that a good image or terrible image
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
"MMmmmmm......open lanes...."
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i could be wrong but didnt Sean May shoot OK from 3 or was he improving from shooting from there
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL he has taken 13 3's in his career.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He just wasn’t encouraged. Just wait how incredible he’s going to be from 3 in the new offense!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Lee, he is no an official bench player.
by Tim823 on Aug 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And he will thrive as one
People mistake being a role player as some kind of a demotion, when in fact certain types of players are at their best as role players. Would Eddie House or Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier be nearly as good if they were your 3rd best scoring option?
That should read Jason Kidd for Devin Harris, Troy Murphy, and Damion James.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Great trade!
We got a rebounder, big bodywith great range and set the rotation at the same time. Cross your fingers on the health
So is this the rotation?
Harris / Farmar / Uzoh
Morrow / Williams / Ross
Outlaw / James
Murphy / Favors / Humphries / May
Lopez / Petro / Zoubek
by corky_romano4life on Aug 11, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
May sticks out like a sore thumb there.....
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you guys think morrow should start?
theres nothing wrong if he does but i would have thought Twill should start
Do everyone really think uzoh and zoubek really make the team because i dont like them
Harris/Farmar
Williams/Morrow/Ross
Outlaw/James
Murphy/Favors/Humps/May
Lopez/Petro
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I do...
But he would be productive in any form. We Need 15+ppg from our starting 2. If T-Will provides that then fine. If not to the pine you go.
I see roo for Jarvis to come back now and provide more depth at the 3. Am I Wrong?
Harris/Farmar/Uzoh
Williams/Morrow/Ross
Outlaw/James/Hayes
Murphy/Favors/Humps
Lopez/Petro/May
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I would've rather traded...
Devin Harris and moved TWill over to the Point. Maybe we could’ve gotten Murphy plus a draft pick.
No thanks.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
joking right?
watch how the lanes open for Devin and watch his assist totals go up now that he can drive and kick to people that can shoot.
sorry im not joking.
I just think that there are too many deficiencies in Devin Harris’ game. He’s always hurt, cant shoot, not a great passer, not a leader, lacks focus, poor defender.
Courtney Lee showed me something the 2nd half of last year. He’s plays hard all the time on both ends, keeps his mouth shut, and i think hes a nice piece on a winning team.
Maybe we could of gotten a lottery pick in the deal and I think we’d be better off.
and lee's defeciencies arent worse?
very inconsistent shot, cant create, cant pass, and cant dribble.
and harris was already a big piece to a winning team
give me a damn break
by Keenan on Aug 11, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There a good chance to win with Harris and make the Playoffs then trading Harris for Murphy and not make the playoffs
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
that is incredibly stupid to trade someone who you know was going to be a star of the team instead of trading someone who may not of played if he stayed on the nets
SMDH
I wouldn't do that
Harris has a clean slate this season. Lets see what he and Williams can do in the backcourt.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
Just was thinking that. Except Murphy killed Yi last year as I recall
by corky_romano4life on Aug 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yi is one of the worst defensive PFs i've ever seen.
And is inferior in every possible way to Murphy.
Okay, maybe Yi has a better FT rate.
Yi is also one of the worst rebounders
Murphy for years has been known for a better than most rebounder, s/t we’ve been for years
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Plus Murphy knows how to shoot a three
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Nets were the worst team last year
Yi is not on the worst team anymore. Just saying, how about you climb up from the bottom before you talk smack?
You can't use last year to evaluate ANY player in Nets uni!
Don’t you understand?
by Belarus4life on Aug 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Expendable piece anyway
Twill and Morrow are fine substitutes to take his minutes. You wouldn’t agree??
He was also a cry baby who didnt want to play here
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
AH
I forgot about that
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
according to Hoopsworld:
Lee’s agent has been lobbying for his client to be traded to a playoff team, and the Houston Rockets were more than happy to afford Lee just such an opportunity.
he didn't want to be here
so this is even a better trade. That mentality is what breeds losing. CDR had that in him too.
Good post.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good
I don’t think that the Rockets are much better than the Nets unless Yao returns to form and can be a consistent performer. That is a big if.
See what i mean he a little girl
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he's not good enough to help a team like ours
His talents are best used on a team like the Rockets be a complimentary peace, his ceiling is a role player.
well
I know that I said that I wanted to keep him, but hey, he wanted to leave.
Good day for us Nets fans. I was wondering why we didn’t hear much about Courtney.
Good luck to him. Martin/Lee is a nice SG rotation.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And EVERY LOCAL ARTICLE IS SAYING WHAT WE AREN'T...
TROY IS COMING HOME!!! HE IS EXCITED ABOUT COMING HOME. I SEE A CAREER YEAR FOR HIM. 17 AND 11 BOOK IT! AND IF HE PLATS 70 GAMES THATS MORE THAN YI ALREADY.
And yes I know it sounds a lil wild but we now have wayyyy better bigs than the Knicks Lopez/Murphy/Favors>>> Amare/Timmy???/Turiaf. And now our shooting is better too. Morrow/Murphy/Outlaw>>> Gallo/MasonJr/Walker.
IT’S All new and headed to BROOKLYN!!!
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Do I love this trade? No. But at least it protects Favors for at least a year which was a priority (and which nobody seemed to feel was important). And it opens up the SG spot
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Will it get you to stop saying TWill is a 3rd string everything? Cause I don’t really like this trade, but that would be a fringe benefit.
Completely will stop saying that. Because he WAS 3rd string, and is no longer.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You crack me up. If we was so solidified as 3rd string, they would have traded TWill as not Lee. Could it just be….wait for it…..that you were understimating management’s outlook for TWill??
You assume that Houston would have wanted TW, which I completely doubt. The just got rid of an all around athletic guy full of potential.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
For a one year stopgap player like Murhpy, teams would generally give up the player they are willing to let go, cause they dont see the long term future there. Either King sees no future in Lee AND TWill, or he just likes TWill’s future more. You can tell yourself anything you wish.
by Chris2 on Aug 11, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I imagined was that Lee had more trade value, but the King preferred to trade TW. But really, it was trade which ever one that they thought they could get the most for..
If you want to say that this was a sign of how much TW was wanted by the Nets, or a sign of how much Houston did not want TW, who knows. In any case, the SG problem has been somewhat alleviated, which is a big deal to me. My problem with TW was with him AS THE TEAM was constructed. Its a different team now.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it was not “really whichever one they thought they could get the most for”. There you go imagining again. TWill has more trade value than Lee….based on POTENTIAL. Its the way it works in the NBA.
Oh, I didn’t realize that you were in on the conference call with Houston.
Good job fleecing the Rockets King! You are a genius.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You are the one that always pretends to know the inner most thoughts of King and Avery in relation to player evaluation. I go based on talent judgements and NBA trends, like teams trying to acquire talent.
Oh, and you decided what “talent” is. I wondered who did that.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup. Its an art form really. One of the things I like to do is make a list of players that have the strengths a player like Lee has and a list of players who has the skill set of a guy like TWill. The list for TWill was much shorter. Then I go to weaknesses and though TWill’s has a pretty big list, the things he needed to improve upon were all things within the control of himself and his ability to accept coaching. Ergo I judged TWill’s talent to be superior to Lee’s, even though I liked both players.
I like that. You are an acclaimed ARTIST of player judgment. Amazing. Pretty cool. Too bad Houston didn’t have player artists like you working for them, or they would have demanded TW.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Its all conjecture at the end of the day, though I think the fact they traded Lee over TWill shows they probably would rather have TWill than Lee. But you feel differently, I understand. No point in debating this much further. Lets wait until preseason to see how the rotations develop.
Hey, I’ll be happy if it works out great. My priority, given the assets of the team, was getting protection for Favors for at least a year. I think that Murphy is a middling player, but he will serve his role. Aside from that, there isn’t much priority right now.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop saying "(and which nobody seemed to feel was important)"
regarding the logjam at SF and the need to porotect DF. Not true. Many disagreed with you, but many knew you were right. Some us just don’t want to argue bball in August.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee:
PPG
12.5
RPG
3.50
APG
1.7
Murphy:
PPG
14.6
RPG
10.20
APG
2.1
BPG
0.5
Consequences will never be the same.
lol, tell me this is a bad trade.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
In the big picture, I think its a bad trade. Lee was a better player in the second half of the year and I expected him to play even better this season. He is only a 3rd yr player. Murphy will be good for us, but probably will be gone in a year. And I dont expect us to do much this yr anyways.
What do you mean you dont expect us to do much this year anyways?
We aren’t getting 12 wins, that’s for sure!
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how much his presence
helped Hibbert. If it helped even a little I can’t wait to see his impact on Lopez.
And look at the rebounds
We need boards BIG TIME if we ant to win ball games…
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly I think Murphy and everybody else
will play a little better defense with Avery on them all day, but we haven’t had a good rebounder since like the Jayson William’s Fieck days lol, K-mart was ok but would always get like 6-8 thought could have gotten more.
Hes the thing everyone who dislikes this trade, You have to give to recieve, so my point is who would you rather give up to get a decent PF harris? Twill? James? Favors?
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a big Kerry Kittles fan and I thought of Lee
as a new Kittles for the Nets, but this was a good move.
Lee may have been close to Kittles defensively
but not close offensively or rebounding and Kittles had a good handle. I am also a big Kittles fan.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, you're right
I was being too generous. Kittles was a great Net. There would have been no final appearances without him.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
While we have Murphy to dangle at the trade deadline, the Pacers have...
Ben Q. Rock: Even after dealing Murphy, Pacers still have ~$27 million in expiring contracts (Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, and S. Jones) to dangle in trades. 16 minutes ago.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0wK4h1mtJ
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
The point is that when you made a deadline trade that is going to put you over the cap you are hopefully trading for an elite player, not just someone good. If the Nets are going after an elite player with Murphy’s expiring, they will be outbid.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But picks never get you an elite player. In fact really, there is no elite player on the market or even going to be on the market.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You can count on two hands the players that can help bring Championships. They are not “mysteries”.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
it doesn’t matter that the Pacers have ~27 million? You out-argued yourself.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It matters to those who imagine that getting Murphy is some kind of major deadline opportunity.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
First you said...
“If the Nets are going after an elite player with Murphy’s expiring, they will be outbid”
then you said…“In fact really, there is no elite player on the market or even going to be on the market.”
You outsmarted yourself!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
I am making TWO points. I know it is hard when someone makes more than one point over and over.
The FIRST point is that there are no superstars available AT ALL, so this trade deadline talk of deep improvement is really talk about the ability to get an overpriced All-Star whose contract someone wants to unload and will eat up all your cap without getting you closer to a Championship.
And the SECOND point is that EVEN if there was such a player available (and there is not, in fact the one player who MIGHT have been, Paul, is clearly off the market), you are STILL behind the Pacers in contracts that are expiring.
To SUM: Those that want to float the myth that Murphy’s expiring contract is some kind of huge boon to the future of the franchise have some serious problems with that theory: There are not elite players available, and even if there were by miracle, you would STILL be behind the Pacers.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...
…“there are no superstars available AT ALL”. A very valid point that others are ignoring. Which makes the second point..uhm..pointless, even though it is indisputably correct.
Don’t try to confuse me with logic. I had it bad once and now am completely immune to it.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t try to confuse me with logic. I had it bad once and now am completely immune to it.
:).
But wait!!!! Aldridge is reporting that the whole Murphy trade is a master plan to land Melo next/this year!!!
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
and you can predict the future?
tell me how?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Like this, of course
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You really like that .gif, dont you?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how they work but they make me smile.
but I have cut back quite a bit.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL John
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
done deal
Hou,NJ, NO, Indy trade done and trade call taking place now, source tells Y!. Hou gets C Lee, NO gets Ariza, Indy Collison-Posey, NJ Murphy
I thought that said
“sources tell Yi”
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting.
The Nets in their pursuit of Scola actually ended up with Murphy as a result:
Tim Chisholm: Crunching the numbers you start to see why HOU made trade. They spent more than anticipated on Lowry and Scola and were look at big tax $$ 33 minutes ago.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0wK5LJPF9
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
If it was scola but then turned to Murphy
Then people who are ripping this murphy for lee trade should have ripped even more if it was scola for lee
i like scola but he has a big contract and with his big contract we have no chance at melo with murphy with have a GREAT chance at melo
Keys for Melo:WIN,Playoffs,Gm 7 against the heat,Knicks struggle,One season in newark before going to Brooklyn,
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We got Murphy in the deal
But we also get Harris back. This is why: we have solid scorers at each position. Morrow, TWill, Outlaw, Farmar, James, Murphy, Favors, Lopez, etc. can all score and SHOOT. Harris is going to be 08-09 form.
Plus, they save a lot of money. If they would have signed David Lee or Boozer, it would have killed their cap space for years. Now we have options AND a high quality starting PF who can rebound, shoot, and score.
Also, just gonna say this. The Nets have a deeper, better TEAM than Miami. But Miami will win because they have LeJerk, Wade, Bosh
by corky_romano4life on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
The Heat will make the finals
And then they will proceed to be crapped out sideways by the Lakers.
Good analysis.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Heat go to the Finals but Go to Gm 7 against Nets in 1st Rd and shock the world by going to gm 7 against the Nets
GO NETS!!!!!!
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Optimism
You have it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, not going to guarantee anything but anything can happen we can suck again and get a top3 pick or we can suprise everyone and win 42-43 gms and make the playoffs and have a great series against the Heat
Remember the Bulls went to gm 7 when not expected the OKC did it and the Hawks so it can be done
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point
I need to be optimistic more often.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
actually....
I’m REAL optomistic blah to the 8th seed. If Things gel correctly I don’t see why we can’t get as high as 6.
People keep putting in Charlotte like they are automatic they are STILL looking for a starting PG. And thier bigs aren’t impressive.
Can Milwalkee do it again? Does Corey Magette and drew gooden and Team killer CDR make them better? Will Mike Redd want to play?
Atlanta did not get better. And many think they have hit thier ceiling. Mike Bibby is getting slowER/oldER
And our 12 win team beat Chicago twice lst year. We Match up very well with them now.
No one in the Conference really concerns me but the Heat.
Celtics are older losses of Tony Allen, Rasheed And Kendrick will hurt them. And they are a year older.
Orlando lost Matt Barnes and Dwight still can’t shoot. We Move Outlaw to the 4 against them (Rashard Lewis)and start James at the 3….
Can’t wait for people to hop the Wagon. And If we are around # 5-7 by Deadline Time Maybe Murphy, Outlaw and Picks for Melo… just for Kicks. Hopefully just Outlaw gets it done. Brooklyn will need a “King” Why not Melo? He can commute for a Year or a year and a half. Jay-Z needs a new Bball friend. LOL.
The JETS/NETS are coming!
I prefer "LeBum"
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris
Morrow
Outlaw
Murphy
Lopez
That is a lineup in which Lopez would do well. Murphy, Morrow, Outlaw, and Harris (To some extent) can all shoot the three. They may have some problems defensively but this kind of looks like Orlando light. Surround Brook with 3pt guys and let him go to work. Brook has a better offense (Not saying he’s better than Howard overall…) and should do well. Opponents pick their poison. Double Brook and leave capable 3 pt shooters or let their center go one on one?The backups also can play solid D.
~AC24
Josh Boone is the man
The nets are going to win a championship by bulding around josh boone…..Mark my words
MOST EXCELLENT
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know what this is in response to. Do you want me to say that this is an unbelievable trade????
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I still feel Murphy would be better manning the 2nd unit with T Will, Farmar, and James. Then if need be Murphy can play crunch time minutes, but I feel our 3rd pick should be starting. He provides a defensive pressance and toughness next to Lopez in the front court.
C- Lopez
PF- Favors
SF- Outlaw
SG- Morrow
PG- Harris
In a few years I can def see him as an all star.
No question about it.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we beat the knicks?
Knicks:Felton/Chandler/Gallo/Randolph/Amare
vs
Nets:Harris/Twill/Outlaw/Murphy/Lopez
should be fun to watch LETS GOOOOO
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Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Amare with knees that arent sound?
Hell yeah we can beat the Knicks.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Could turn out that way
But not to start the season. Favors would benefit from a bench role with less pressure to at least begin his NBA journey..if he does well then maybe he could become the starter later in the season.
i like this trade.
in my opinion, courtney lee was more of a role player than a starter
and we have our marksman in morrow now. murphy is a starting quality
PF who can give us a double double on any given night.
so with murphy on board, what do you guys think of this depth chart:
TWILL /Farmar – pg
Harris/Morrow – sg
Outlaw/James – sf
Murphy/Favors – pf
Lopez/Petro – c
my reasoning is this: twill is a better playmaker than harris.
harris always seemed like a score-first mentality type of guard anyway.
im not too sold on morrow being a starter just yet. even though he is probably the team’s best shooter, his services will give our bench that instant offense we’ve sorely missed since the days of lucious harris.
this is stupid
you do realize that twill is very turnover prone and doesnt pass more than devin right
it doesn't matter
both will take turns playing off of the ball
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we sure Morrow is better than Lee?
I think Murphy is a perfect acquisition. He’ll rebound, strech the floor, make the game easier for Lopez and Harris, by unclogging the middle. Plus, we don’t have the log jam anymore at 2 and Favors and come along in his own time. I’m just nervous because I haven’t seen Morrow play. I know he can shoot, but Lee was a pretty good shooter himself. And as the Nets got better and he got more open, he would have improved. I just hope Morrow learns to defend and is as good as we hope he will be. Because if Lee ends up better than Morrow, isn’t the trade a failure?
I been having...lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMEoGoTMWo&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8uRDIEPzrU&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaimqNV1v1I&feature=fvw
Sit down and enjoy. Not a lot of dunking but lots of scoring….lol
The JETS/NETS are coming!
Nope, THIS is the best acquisition of the offseason.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
I still think Morrow is. He is scary good when is doing his thing
Murphy is good.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Its close.
I love both of those pickups.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Maybe what makes it better than Morrow is because he has an expiring contract right?
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 11, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.
All of his value is due to his offense.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
IMO
not a good defender.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We will see
But I don’t think we should fully judge Morrows defense in G state, the little general is a whole nother animal.
Morrow not a good defender
I don’t think I have ever even heard anyone else say that. Like the other posters said, his value right now is on the offensive end
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Aug 11, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but he can be better
The culture with Avery will be different no longer just running up and down playing rec ball.
ancillary benefits
if the Nets go over the cap…they are $4.5 million under right now—they will get two trade exceptions: a $10.5 million TE from this deal and a $2.91 TE from the Yi trade.
Huh?
How do the Nets get a TE from this transaction when they were the ones that brought in more salary than they sent out?
I believe Indy gets the TE
since they gave up a higher salary and took less back.
sounds right
even though i’m not a big lee supporter he has his good points. i figured we’d get more than just murphy who they have been trying to salary dump for a while now.
I like that we basically cleansed ourselves
of most of the players on that 12-70 team. We re-made the team and kept the best parts of the core, Blo, Devin, Twill. Add Avery to the mix with the new players and you have a totally different team and got rid of that losers mentality at the same time.
good short term & long term
murphy will help this year while favors learns but the bigger issue is that avery/king picked twill over lee. i was afraid they’d trade twill in a similar deal. i’m still ok trading twill but only in a package for a star. twill’s ceiling is still very high, i think lee has already reached his.
WOW!
I love it. Let’s start this season already.
Uh well.... its cap space next summer, at least
Of course, we all saw how well that worked out for the Nets this off season…..
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Aug 11, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
Mike Fratello said on a Nets telecast last year...
That most NBA coaches think you can’t really be effective these days in the NBA without a 3pt game. We now have a 3pt shooting team from all directions. Murphy can shoot it, one of the big men at hitting the 3. He also shoots free throws at 80%.
Also the swagger he plays with
Laughing at opposing players, getting tough rebounds doesn’t back down, him and Hump will help Lopez and Favors with that I feel.
Laughing at opposing players?
Laughed at by Troy Murphy? Who has that mark on their resume?
The guy is a good shooter, but I don’t see how he really brings much value to the Nets (a team clearly not in contention) beyond an expiring contract next summer
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Aug 11, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
the man averaged a double double
and can stretch the floor
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
We just got yi back…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
UM.......
what?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
sort of
with this trade
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Uhhmm In think Troy is "consistent"?
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And Troy how to shoot.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
*i think
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 11, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hope we dont turn into the Knicks
3 pointers,
3 pointers everwhere.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy can also rebound...
Looks like the Nets don’t want to play that Lotto game anymore…Proky was really pissed when he didn’t get that #1 pick on live T.V.
Look at the stats I posted above.
The rebounds are an amazing upgrade. Board. Lots and lots of boards.
And yes, Proky was about to call his “associates” he looked so ticked.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Compare new Nets team to 06-07 Dallas
Dallas starters: Terry, Stackhouse, Howard, Nowitzki, Dampier
Nets starters: Harris, Morrow, Outlaw, Murphy, Lopez
Dallas bench: Harris, George, Buckner, Diop, Croshere, Johnson
Nets bench: Williams, James, Ross, Petro, Favors, Farmar
Dallas had more firepower starting than Nets, but Nets bench is much better. If Avery can get them playing team defense like that Dallas team then they should at least make the playoffs.
My thoughts are
That getting this team to the playoffs is up to Avery. We have the talent. He needs to get us to do work. We can make the playoffs under his coaching.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
+10000
i think we will suprise alot of people and the people on this forum who say we will win 37 gms and there is nothing wrong with that but with this team on paper you have to get aleast to .500
Espn must feel stupid 26 wins before the trade i wonder how many wins we get with murphy 27?
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Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy will gives us a good amount of wins.
That’s a fact. Unless an injury occurs but whatev.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
That's a pretty big unless
I should know, had Murphy on my fantasy team las year, missed a ton of time
Only problem with this trade IMO
is the health.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He missed 26 games over the last 3 years...
…after playing the prior year in only 26 total. That’s pretty solid, at least not real scary.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Still managed 72 games.
No problem since we can have Favors do meh for a few games.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
That Dallas team was knocked out in the first round by 8th seed
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Aug 11, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad match up with Golden St
But who cares… this is a step in the right direction. Hopefully the start of a winning culture. I don’t think anybody is saying this move is going to lead to a championship.
And BTW, that Dallas team won 67 games. Nets won’t get there, but the point was that the Dallas team wasn’t full of world class defenders, but they played solid team defense to win.
Now that we got a proven player in this spot.
I am starting to believe that the Nets can barely make the playoffs.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Beautiful trade
How the hell did New Orleans give up Collison?
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
That’s pretty sad. Get rid of the young up and comer who is pressing me, and get an expensive, overated SF. Nice.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They effed up
letting go of Collison. muwu is 100% right, Paul is calling the shots right now.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
hornets
are complete morons
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Pony up to the star.
If we somehow end up with him, I dont want KIng, Avery, Proky to totally kiss his ass. Proky just needs to show him a good time.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Harris, TWill, and lots of picks and cash
No Favors going away.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as i want Paul i want to see this team play so i will say lets not trade anyone else until the trade deadline and lets see what this team can do with Murphy on the team
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by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
they will bend over backwards...
….only for Paul to leave in two years. Stupid trade, thanks for playing morons.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Grade the Offseason
Si said C- what is it now with the Trade
C? C+? B-?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
B-
We are the Nets. People will underestimate us vastly. We did good.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
A-
We actually have a power forward now
by chelseanetsmets on Aug 11, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
C.
Morrow and Murphy are great pick ups. Outlaw was a bad pickup. After striking out on LeBron this offseason is now irrelevant to the goal of a dynasty team in 5 years. All they need is to conserve cap space.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
B+
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
At first I thought wow not a bad deal
I like how this team has restarted this franchise. I think the total restart would be completed if we traded Harris but thats for a later discussion. Either Lee or T-Will was gonna be the odd man out. I’m glad it wasnt T-Will. This is the probable Depth Chart:
PG Harris/Farmar/Uzoh
SG Morrow/T-Will
SF Outlaw/James/Ross
PF Murphy/Favors/May or Humphries
C Lopez/Petro
thats exactly how it will be
we have a good team…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I think we start T Will
He simply offers more to the floor than Morrow does. I feel like Morrow is a great change of pace guard, and a potent scorer off the bench.
Farmar has been a streaky scorer while Favors and James are relatively untested (albeit James looks to have a real nose for the cup). Thus we need a guy who can put in 11-14 points per night off of the bench.
On another note my guess is that Damion James gets a starting position before Favors does. A bench of Farmar, Morrow, Outlaw, Favors, and, to a lesser extent, Petro would be phenomenal.
when the dust settles in about another year
this is going to be a serious team
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we are done trading for now
So let’s see how it plays out. Feel much better about our prospects than yesterday… even if it’s only Murph… at least King is trying to make things happen.
this could be beneficial for favors, and can be beneficial for a trade
Murphys expiring contract can be a huge trade chip
Makes sense....
I have mixed reactions about this since I don’t think that C Lee was given an opportunity to grow with at least a decent team….but we currently have a logjam at that position.
Murphy is a temporary and decent solution which comes off our books in a year or another tradeable asset.
I think King did a very good job
by Drazen Petrovic on Aug 11, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
season needs to start ASAP.
i like this trade. makes us more of a well rounded team. i can see us going 43-39 next season.
If we're making the playoffs this year, we better hope we can land a free agent in the summer (not this again!)
Because if not, this is the talent pool we’re gonna be working with. Lopez is gonna be our best player. If it doesn’t work out, well we go right back to square one, back to less than 20 win territory
Or the trade market.
The Nets have one of the best trading chips around. Cap space. It’s fairly obvious the plan was never build through the farm so I’m sure Proky has some plans for either a blockbuster trade or some good FA pickups.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Yeah, but at best you're gonna get an allstar
Very rarely or never will we get a superstar. If Lopez doesn’t turn out to be one, that’s a problem
Exactly.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland got a "superstar"...
and look what happened. Tired of losing and hoping for the next Kobe, LeBron, Wade etc. i would rather be Pheonix or Dallas then all the rest of the bottom dwellers hoping for a miracle.
Umm. Phoenix and Dallas also have their superstars. Every person who has ever won an MVP has gone to the HoF.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is that the kind of team you wouldn’t mind settling for being you are not even CLOSE to being. You don’t have an MVP level player.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless they still suck, which in case CP3 will still want out
This was the equivalent of Toronto signing Hedo to try and convince Bosh to stay. If it doesn’t work out, he’s leaving anyway
STUPID TRADE!!!!!!!
we trrade Courtney Lee a player that is likely a sixth man at best for a starter who averages a double double and can shoot?
Plus this player contract expires in the summer of 11? Horrible trade.
hahahhhaa seriously the Nets are now a playoff team.
that should let you know how I feel about it
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 11, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions
Or one could view it as we traded Courtney Lee, our best defender
for Troy Murphy’s expiring contract and no defense playing butt
It's more important to make sure Favors is allowed to develop properly
than it is to keep a nice role player. They don’t want to bring Favors along too fast and his future is far more important to the Nets than CLee’s.
Bro you kidding me
SO Wait im not trying to put words in your mouth but whats a better chance at happening
Playoffs with Murphy or Playoffs with Lee
ill admit we probably can make the playoffs without Murphy i said 40 wins and run at the playoffs but with murphy there is no doubt in my mind we can make the playoffs
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
We are making the playoffs BABY!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
How is that a good thing? How seriously? In all honesty explain… We arent good enough to compete. We just put ourselves on a track for failure unless we obtain something else.
Clee…he is not a star….dont sweat it. We got better with this trade IMO
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
It really didnt matter if he was star if we traded him for someone who can start now, and back up favors in the future that wouldve been fine, this is retarded. Murphy is done after this season.
Fine
then we’ll end up with a solid amount of capspace.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Going from 12 wins to a playoff team isn't good?
You think the team liked being one of the worst NBA teams in history? If you wanted to suck and get a top 5 pick, that was never the plan.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
This scenario is bad IMO. We get into the playoffs to get knocked out in the 1st round, but hey at least I can watch us get trounced by Miami. Mediocrity is not improving, and with this trade I personally dont foresee us iproving from mediocre to elite within 5 years
Again how do playoffs = bad?
NOTHING done in this offseason will make us elite in 5 years. Unless miraculously you get CP3 or Carmelo now then you plan on having a bridge year to balance the future and the now. The Nets next year will get trounced on. The only difference is when.
This off season so far is IRRELEVANT to the long term goals. The Nets already struck out. Whatever they’re doing now is solely for the next season. Making the playoffs giving experience to the young talent is not a bad thing. Then we can complement them with a top tiered superstar to truly be elite.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
JID your acting like a clown
Dont get me wrong its about winning it all but for a team who won 12 games and go to the offseason without a SUPERSTAR and go into the season with no love and we make the playoffs and play good in the playoffs against the heat is a bad thing then i must be smoking something, Be happy aleast were showing improvement and that were only one player away from beating heat or magic or lakers
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
But we arent one player away. We are far away. Are you being serious? As of right now all of those teams would sweep us
Not making playoff=bad!
Making playoffs = good!
I could explain why but why bother.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait what, i am being serious
Like one player doesnt make a team but if the nets added Melo with Lopez Harris Improved Favors and other players werent not a good team and a team to aleast go far?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
We did exactly what we had to do.
The Nets believe T-Will and Morrow will be more effective and better then Courtney Lee. I liked Lee but something had to be done at PF and shooting ability. The Nets did very well. B+.
Wait how do you know were not good enough to compete have you seen this group play? NO you havent
all your doing is listening and reading what Espn has to say about the nets, also your looking on paper we dont play games on paper, So dont come on to this board and act like a nets fan when your not, nobody here is saying 60 wins and NBA finals, were just saying with Murphy Twill Harris Morrow Lopez we can compete for a playoff spot
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
My message is for JID
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
JID heres the thing how can you say this team cant compete? How do you know they cant? Lets watch them play before judging the team
Because if they do good your going to look dumb for the negative comments and then coming back on here and saying i love this team and billy king is a genuis
Did you think the thunder can compete against anyone last season after winning only like 20 games? i didnt and look at twhat they did, and dont say they have durant because they have the same team the season before last season and won 20 gms
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
From a completely selfish standpoint. I’d rather see us make the playoffs and be somewhat competitive as opposed to the lottery again. Don’t know if i can take going through something like last season again.
by Boomdog on Aug 11, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yes. exactly.
i want my nets on the playoffs this year. i dont care if we get creamed by the heat. at least the culture has changed a bit
Hold off the playoff proclamations
Troy Murphy is the active player who has played the most games but has not played in the playoffs. I don’t see him as the difference between the playoffs and the lottery. Only reason Jamal Crawford doesn’t own the record anymore was because he went to Atlanta. Was he a difference maker there?
The Nets before the trade could have made the playoffs.
Longshot but possible. Filling the PF with a borderline all star in production is a huge plus. Maybe not good enough but it’s close now.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
We can definitely make the playoffs
But it’s still far from a sure thing. We could just as easily have just lowered our draft pick by 5 picks or so
Can't compare this team to last years at all
Now only 4 players are the same from last seasons team. New coaches, new system, new arena. Everything is new… someone should use that as a marketing campaign. ;)
Being honest,
I dont see us making the playoffs this season. Next season, then we will talk.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to make the playoffs
I say put a competitive team out there and get to the lottery again and with luck maybe we’ll get a top 3 pick…its rebuilding time and I can wait for 2-3 years for the team to grow and be amazing
Why, because of last season?
competition is pretty weak at the lower end of the standings. There is definitely a plan in place to get shooters and they’ve done that. Add a solid team defense and they can do well.
Its up to Avery
Avery coaches well, puts a winning midset in their heads…. then we can make the playoffs
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking too
Mitchell will have an influence too. I think he was brought in to be the bad cop and kick some butt.
All of our big me (we have lots)
will flourish under the great rebound teaching of Popeye.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
*big men*
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
this trade was perfect for what the nets were looking to do, first thing was clear room at the sg , next was find a decent PF to fill the gap for favors to develop, and third they can keep their cap space still while being able to move Murphy near the deadline for a core player.
This guy is anything but decent.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
great trade= playing time for TWill
We did not have enough minutes for Harris, TWill, FArmar, Morrow, and Lee in the backcourt. Someone had to go. Obviously, farmar, morrow, and harris were staying.
So it is Lee versus TWill. Who has more upside? TWill.
Easy decision
And the trade fits the model of having tradeable assets.. and young talent.
Now Favors can develop. play 15 minutes a night.. and after this year we can reassess. He seems like someone who wouldnt do well with starter minutes or pressure at this point in his life.
eastern conference
This trade may have taken the nets from good to great. The only teams in my opinion that are better than them in the East are – in order, Orlando , Miami , Boston , Chicago
by chelseanetsmets on Aug 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
Milwaukee, Atlanta
I guess you could argue the rest.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
5th or 6th seed
actually you could argue for the bucks , but we are definately better than atlanta, i mean no doubt about it
by chelseanetsmets on Aug 11, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think we are better than Atlanta at all.
They have been putting up solid seasons for a while. Johnson is overrated, but still. We are not as good as them at all.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
so your saying our stating lineup is better than
Horford
Josh Smith
Marvin Williams
Joe Johnson
Mike Bibby
no I don’t think so
I think we’ll eb competitive but just miss out on the playoffs I would rather see this team grow than make the playoffs I would also like to be back in the lottery to get quality players s down the road we can true contenders…I’d like to take a page from what the Thunder and Blazers did
In short I think
we are not better than the Hawks. You think we are better then the Hawks?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
then you must SIMPLY go get ur head checked
b.c brook will not be brook for the 1st half of the season b/c of his recovery from mono and matchup wise
the only advantage we have over them slightly is at the C and PG positions
I won't say great
but we damn sure will win 32 games this season or better.
GO NETS!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yi probably couldve been included (if we had him)
instead of clee…yi and yao unite!
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
C Lee was
just OK and a dissapointment to what I actually expected from him. He showed flashes but he didn’t seem like he had that one thing that he did so well that you had to have him on the court. he wasn’t a shut down defender like some would have you think. he had a decent game but wouldn’t have added much to the team trying to split minutes with Morrow and Twill. Now we have great balance and Brook finally has a legit NBA PF to play with.
Bingo!
Plus the Nets get a veteran player. Too many young guys without veteran leadership usually does not go to well. Murphy is a veteran who can actually play, not just sit on the bench cheer leading like our veterans from last year.
He was no Ryan Anderson
for good or bad.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
We just got ourselves an older David Lee...
And a much better shooter. The guy is 6’11" and can shoot the three and rebound. What else can you ask for? Great move by the Nets. Plus we might end up signing him for a few more years if he plays well for us. We will sure have the money to do it if we want.
I think Murphy is here for the short term
With Favors waiting in the wing, and Murphy being a tradeable piece at the deadline, I’d be surprised to see Murphy here next year.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Now that I think about it
We can start Williams together with Harris now that Murphy is out there to stretch the floor:
Harris/Williams/Outlaw/Murphy/Lopez
Farmar/Morrow/James/Favors/Petro
Uzoh/Ross/May/The HumpZoubek
or we could cut May, bring back Hayes for the vet min as insurance.
I like how we look. Lopez, Harris, and Williams are going to put up the numbers.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I like the second string better than anything we put out there last yr
I mean X1000…I hope we get to see the second stringers out there playing as a unit….it’ll be fun
this team is going to be a joy to watch
Now Avery just has to get these guys playing solid team defense and figure out a better way to make use of the Harris/Williams backcourt. Assuming that Morrow doesn’t become the starter.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just need a shooting guard to be able to throw out a whitewash lineup out there
Zoubek-Hump-Murphy-SG-Farmar
what team has the most white guys in the nba?
by chelseanetsmets on Aug 11, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably Utah or Indiana. Might be wrong. Just a guess.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Farmar is Jewish. I don’t know if that makes him “white” or not. But it does make him Jewish.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Mom is white. Daddy's black.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
His mother is Jewish, and at least in the Jewish world that makes him Jewish. Non-Jews of course can make him whatever they want.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ot, but speaking of Jewish
Did any body see the article about LeBron James hiring a Rabbi?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/11/1770392/report-james-hires-rabbi.html
I know. That was freaky. He is getting into some serious Cabala-investment #### .
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats just odd
What? Since Amare is a member of the tribe now means the rest should be interested?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I need a new name....
Murphy played HS ball at Delbarton…my brother played there as well……Troy averaged 33 ppg during his stint there. Somehow I always figured he’d come to the Nets……..not great, but not terrible.
I think we can make the playoffs
that was the goal according to proky…
this trade gives damion james minutes also
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
great point
that people aren’t noticing
James is now the official back up SF. He will get the BURN. YESSSSSSSS
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like trading Lee away for a rental
and would have liked to receive a pick back as well, but we just got a legit starting PF that can score, hit the 3, and clean the glass
The bombs will rain from three. The Nets attack will now be known as “Shock and Awe”.
Stay the course.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Who says Murphy is a rental?
If we want him next year we probably will sign him. We are in the drivers seat now. Enjoy the ride.
Isaac sad?
But he is from Jersey???
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Reasons, Isaac?
Fan of Lee? Hate Notre Dame (I’m with you there)? Details…
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop. Stop commenting. Your lack of basketball knowledge is insulting. Your hatred for the Nets is also ridiculous
by Netsfan310 on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
rec'd
stop hatin’
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Really. That type of hatred is ludicrous.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Why you gotta hate for????
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
...
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
by NetLogic on Aug 11, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
um...
what?
How does acquiring a legit starting PF make us worse?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
because of clee?
we got the better player in this deal…
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
It makes us ten games worse?
Okay. That baffles me.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope. Isaac dont play jokes.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If....
the nets can resign murphy next year for a cheaper contract , and somehow pull a russian miracle and get melo. We have the best team in the nba IMO.
Harris/Farmar
Williams/Morrow
Melo/outlaw/ross
Murphy/favors
Lopez/petro
by chelseanetsmets on Aug 11, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
We can end up with Melo and Chris Paul
We are still not better than the Lakers. In 3 years when the Lakers are old, the we have to deal with the Heat.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i meant in the east. and i dont think wade and lebron and bosh can coexist
by chelseanetsmets on Aug 11, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if by some Godsend miracle they cant coexist, they suck.
With a miraculously bad Heat team and us with Melo, we can be better. But be honest. The Heat not making the Finals is madness.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
they will be a good team
but come playoff time they will eacb be hogging for the spotlight and i see them being eliminated by boston or orlando.
by chelseanetsmets on Aug 11, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm. Nice point.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
Thanks for making the Pacers a better team than us – now we have to compete with 6 other teams for the final playoff spot!
This trade might solidify our team as a more complete team.. and we might actually gain some wins out of it - but Collison is the best player in the trade BY FAR… Don’t be surprised if they finish ahead of us with super (and current studs) like Collison, Stephenson, Granger, Hibbert…. Troy Murphy is not an impact player and I don’t care what anyone says you cannot have a starting lineup including both Morrow and Outlaw – This better indicate that T-Will is starting
Umm
Murphy is a 14/10 guy who shoots almost 40% from 3…don’t see what you consider “impact” then. And last time I checked, we didn’t trade Collison to Indiana, we aren’t worried about Indiana winning 35 games…Why exactly can you not have Morrow and Outlaw in the starting 5? There are alot of iffy statements in your post bro..
I forgot this is NetsDaily after all...
We are the best team in the NBA, pencil us in for 60 wins!!!
First of all braooow, Murphy is 30… so if we get a productive year out of him, great but that’s all your’e getting, no thanks on a resign/extension… he is a stopgap player for us, because given a lineup that includes two gigantic x-factors who cant play D nor never started consistently in their entire career (Morrow + Outlaw – both 6th man capable)— this does not even make us close to anything better than a 7-10th place finish where we get manhandled in the first round by the Bulls, Heat, Magic, Celtics etc.
We don’t need to be like the knicks last year where everyone in the starting five just pulls off and hoists up 3’s nightly… Murph’s 14+10 is great and he can stretch the floor productively, as noted… my point is the Pacers just landed and absolute monster and future perennial all star while we got a stopgap 30 year old. Yeah it wasn’t a straight up trade but it’s still not a difference maker and you now have the Pacers with a wayyy better core than us - granted we might have better ownership/coaching/resources/role players
by BrooklynBridge on Aug 11, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares about the Pacers?
seriously, I read this and it just comes off as someone complaining just for the sake of complaining
What would you have done better?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
quite simply...
If the trade was straight C Lee for Murph, I really wouldn’t care even though I still would argue we gave up way to quick on C Lee- although I absolutely prefer it’s him to go and not T-Will. I don’t understand why fans on this site are brainwashed to think we are a force in the East. We went 34-48, 34-48 and then 12-70 in the last 3 years, People need to stop thinking we are gonna win an additional 30-40 games form last year, it’s absolutely impossible. We need to be EXTREMELY conscious of what other teams are up to… and when the Hornets get a borderline allstar caliber player in Ariza and the Pacers, who we are in direct competition with get an ABSOLUTE star in collison while we just get 30 yr old slow Murphy, yeah thats a gigantic problem. We completely struck out this summer – and thats OK, just stop making believe we r awesome for signing nice role players at extremely high tags. Lets just develop, I have no problem with being bad for 2 or 3 years… I’m also not in denial – WE ARE NOT a playoff team- just like we havent been for a WHILE.
by BrooklynBridge on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand how anyone can
compare last year to this year when only 25% of the roster is the same and they have a whole new coaching staff. 3/5ths of the starting line-up will be different. That is huge turnover. It’s a whole new team. Now you may not agree with some of the talent being brought in, or feel it’s being overrated, but you can’t compare it to last years team. Or even through out a record from 3 years ago… only 2 players exist from that team.
that's just ludicrous...
We are still the Nets and are not gonna set the NBA record for a single-season turnaround in wins. if you are gonna tell me that by adding Outlaw, Morrow and Murphy to our lineup (while subtracting C Lee) plus a seemingly solid bench to our developing talent is gonna add more than 33 wins (it will take that to make the playoffs) no matter what brilliant coaching staff is leading us.. is preposterous. Set your sights on 36 wins, that would be a phenomenal 24+ win campaign and be amazing in itself and still nowhere near good enough to make the offs. We did not just add Garnett and Ray Allen… we added some pieces but are still lacking any legitimate superstar. Everyone was unbelievably excited at the beginning of last year too yet no one remembers that or just has cop-out excuses – we are not tha good yet, it’s ok to admit it!
by BrooklynBridge on Aug 11, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You forget we did not have a coach
You can’t compare the teams, second of all Harris was an allstar, Lopez would have been one if he was motivated the whole season or we had a coach, T-will is on the up, James going to be special, Favors, Morrow Murphy Avery….Its a different team dude all new. Rafer Alston is not our point guard anymore.
some of the comments being made now are stunning
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was kidding.
Its like reading the Onion.
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
lolwut?
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by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Think Yi… but better shooter, better rebounder(one of the best in the league numbers wise), and better hustler.
slower tho…but muurphy is better
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Averaged over 10 boards a game
Now think about that under the teachings of Popeye Jones…
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Lopez going to cry
Murphy will take away his stats. book it!
Much hightower BBIQ. Just watch him, he knows where he should be on the court and knows what to do.
by ispartan on Aug 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
omg - we're getting KVH round II (LOL)
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by corky_romano4life on Aug 11, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
lol thats sad.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
what's so funny about KVH on the cover?
He was great for us for a couple of years until we got KMART anyway :)
"There's no way, with hindsight, I would've ever called up Larry, called up Magic and said, 'Hey, look, let's get together and play on one team,'"
by jasperjarrod on Aug 11, 2010 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty good trade
I liked Lee, but gotta give up something to get something.
I don’t like the thought of giving up a solid contributor for a 1 year rental, but will reserve judgement on that as there are still many balls in the air.
What is this 1 year rental talk?
The guy might end up being with us for another 3 or 4 years. At 6’11" he might be able to play some center. He is listed as a PF/C on bio pages.
This is perfect
Everyone crying about how we missed out on Boozer or David Lee can keep quiet now. Murphy is a bonafide double-double at PF and is the perfect stop gap until Favors is ready.
Also by trading CLee, TWill has a chance to prove himself. I’ve always felt TWill’s court vision and passing balances out the backcourt with Devin’s shoot first mentality. I also felt, like many of you did, that someone had to be traded to clear the log jam at the wing. The fact that we will see more of TWill and Morrow makes this team very exciting to watch. Can’t wait.
Does the "Hollah" really need to be there after every post?
Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
jayz can say hollah all he wants
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
NJ Nets...
Where fighting for that #8 spot is like winning the NBA championship!
Well for a team that won 12 games last year
It would be an incredible accomplishment.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Heres to hoping that this works out down the line, honestly if Favors isnt the “player” we’ve hoped in the future. Its Billy Kings fault. I dont see how any rookie as “raw” as Favors can turn into a star playing 15 mpg
who says that he will play 15 mins per?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy averages 32, so under the assumption that we want the same production he had in Indy, and using Avery Johnson’s track record he plays 15 at PF
Jid...
You probably will end up being Troy’s biggest fan. So watch what you say now. We do have archives you know…
PLAYOFFS PLAYOFFS PLAYOFFS
here we come.
Wow playing time for Twill.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 11, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions
rotation
Morrow with Harris & Farmar with TWill… some overlap, but those combinations make sense imho
I remember this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKB2ZHRIgf4
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Boards.
Its about boards. Thank God for Popeye Jones.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
In Case Anyone Hasn't Noticed
Indiana just became a legitimate threat to make the playoffs now that they have a PG.
I wasn’t worried about beating them in the standings before, but now they should be respectable, given TJ Ford was their PG prior to this.
+1
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Please read up 10 comments above...
Where I got smashed for saying essentially the same exact thing… people on this site are truly delirious for the most part….
by BrooklynBridge on Aug 11, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of pom-poms on this site, as is often the case on basketball sites. For some reason basketball is the least analytical sport.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And to think they could have had Sean May.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
boy they missed out on may
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Or they go small
Collison / Stephenson
Rush / D.Jones
Granger / Dunleavy
P.George / Hansbrough / McRoberts
Hibbert / Foster / S.Jones
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.... that lineup is really scary...
Maybe we should forfeit our games to Indiana in advance…Who the heck cares about Indiana. They did well and so did we.
there is no way
Paul George plays PF in the NBA… hes like 6’8" and 210lbs in a wet jersey. LOL every PF in the NBA would out muscle him.
he considers himself more of a 2 than a 3
agreed no way a four
Paul George plays PF in the NBA… hes like 6’8" and 210lbs in a wet jersey. LOL every PF in the NBA would out muscle him.
I’m not saying you are wrong, but there have been voluminous posts on this site about how great a PF Outlaw is. 6’9" 207.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Outlaw is a PF?
I don’t think so. Maybe if he hides on the perimeter playing stretch four. But there’s no bang in that body.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Just sayin’ what people have been sayin’ . Keep questioning it and they will come out of the woodwork, siting Portland’s team from 3 years ago, etc. etc.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
citing
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No Citing Their Fans
Who have seen it for years and don’t need to rely on generic stats to make up their mind.
Please tell me…
What would be Portland’s fans agenda in saying Outlaw played significant minutes at PF and he was more effective at PF than SF?
To sabotage us and make us play him at PF?
LOL
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
see "John at the Jersey Shore"
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Again
Avoid my question and gauge Outlaw’s ability to play PF based on the opinion on a NJ fan who probably has not seen Outlaw much.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What question?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Please tell me…
What would be Portland’s fans agenda in saying Outlaw played significant minutes at PF and he was more effective at PF than SF?
To sabotage us and make us play him at PF?
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The “motivation” (which I have explained to you multiple times) is that in general “fans” on blogs are some of the least dependable sources for the real capacities of a player. Listening to this blog TW is the second coming of Magic, Lebron and Wade all combined.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure When They Are on the Team
1.Outlaw has since been on LAC and now NJN. You don’t see us going on other boards about CDR or S.Williams
2. Outlaw was a polarizing player in Portland some loved him some hated him almost all agreed on this point
3. This has nothing to do with why they say he was more effective at PF than SF. What is their motivation to say this if not true?
Try again.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Still Waiting On This
And your thoughts in the Melo thread.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Already posted my thoughts at length on Melo, you did not have anything substantive to say.
Your three points above are completely unsubstantive. As I pointed out the last time we spoke of this the Nets do not have the players that allowed Portland to run that line up out there. But frankly nothing bores me more than arguing whether Outlaw is a PF or not because he is not playing PF with Murphy here. Its a meaningless thing to talk about now.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But it is beside the point. I was just mentioning to the Jersey Shore guy that weight alone does not keep people from claiming that someone can be a PF.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
OK Or Granger Plays PF
Either way..
Dunleavy
Granger
George
All 6’8" – 6’9"
I can see them trying to get away with it, and of course they may not be done either.
by Jack Handy Jr on Aug 11, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
but this is my point
We are in competition with every team in the league. Why are you guys complaining about this?
Crying about this trade making Indiana better is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. The trade made us better too and helps out our frontcourt depth while clearing the glut of players on the perimeter.
I’m thinking about developing our players, continuing to make moves, and gearing up to try and knock Miami off in about 2 seasons. You guys are worried about Indiana. SMH
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
OK!
I like this trade, we had a surplus of 2 guards and were weak at the 4. I like Troy, I watched him a couple of times when I lived in Madison, NJ and went to Delbartan games. If he works out, great, if not, he buys us time till Favors is really ready. AND he helps our cap space next year. I liked CLee, but the backcourt was getting crowded. Good Job Mr, King!
Paul from Delray Beach
20 MILLION IN CAP SPACE NEXT YEAR
and people are CRYING about us helping the Pacers get Collison
I could give a damn less. Some folks fail to see the bigger picture
Same folks crying about us “helping” Indiana are the same ones who think that spending 80+ on David Lee would be prudent. Some of this stuff just can’t be taken seriously at all.
There are just some fans that will complain no matter what, yet, none of them can come up with realistic ideas as to what they could have done better this summer.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and people are CRYING about us helping the Pacers get Collison
And there are some that cheer every move, even if they disagreed with others that proposed it last week. The point about Indiana isn’t crying, its bringing up a point that is otherwise lost when everyone is getting giddy. It’s worth paying attention to the fact that Indiana got its PG (and a damn good one), and they have 27 mill in expiring contracts to deal. Does it make it a deal not worth doing? No. But it is an aspect of the deal.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
scroll back up in the thread bro
I’ve said more than once that i did not want to trade Lee for a one year rental, and would have wished that we could have received a 2nd rd pick in return as well.
But what’s done is done, no use in crying about it now, I’m thinking about how the Nets can use Murphy, how T-Will and Harris can play together, or who the starting 2 guard will be, period, and how the Nets can go about using their ton of cap space that they will have next summer.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And others are thinking about how the trade affects Indiana since apparently part of the motivation for the trade is to make the playoffs (and maybe make a deadline deal).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i do have faith in Favors and i believe he needs to play more then 15 mins a game just look at the stats people who play less then 30mins dont average good numbers
so i would have prefer to start favors 30+ mins but this team wants the playoffs this season so im fine with murphy and favors sharing time with HUmps and May, the thing is when favors averages 5 and 3 i can see alot of BUST comments on here
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Aug 11, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
" just look at the stats people who play less then 30mins dont average good numbers"
Yeah, I hear guys who pass it to guys who then score are credited with an “assist”. Funny stuff, those numbers.
by MyNetsForLife on Aug 11, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors SHOULD be playing tons of minutes, based on how the team is built it makes more sense for Favors to start, we have a PF in Murphy that can fill in when needed but Favors is the future and he should be starting and getting his feet wet. He brings defense, rebounding and toughness in the paint, which makes him a better compliment to Lopez. Murphy would be good as a scorer off the bench.
@ Wall2KingJames I understand what you’re saying but why people assume the Nets cant be competitive with Favors starting.
Have wanted murphy for this whole season!
I mentioned him numerous times on the board and was shot down! Thank god i know my Bball.
What i like most about this is we finally get a PF that is a bruiser! The 1st one since Kmart. Murphy will add some toughness and grit to our frontline and him and Hump can play the enforcer role this team was badly in need of! Lopez will thrive next to him and he will pay the other team back for cheap fouls on a driving Harris.
Also his lack of speed wont hurt us in transition because of his ability to stop at the 3pt line and knock that shot down with ease.
We just got a better version of David Lee for basically nothing. This is a Power move!!
Cournty Lee was never that good of a player and didnt have enough mental toughness, his game also lacked any variety.
The Nets now have one of the deepest teams at every position in the NBA.
We also got a veteran player.
We needed that big time and we got it. Veteran PF or can shoot and rebound. All for Courtney Lee.
I would make that trade anytime and everytime.
I liked Lee
but I understand why they did this.
You’re moving into a new arena and you want to sell it out. this team could/should make the playoffs.
And i dont believe they are done.
troy murphy should feel some seats being he’s a jersey native
"I want to win, I want the team to win and I'm in complete control."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
i don't want him feeling MY seat....
jac of all nets on the other hand….
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 11, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I will
believe you if you told me they are looking to re-sign Hayes but not when they had 6 guys that could play SG/SF, they will probably trade Hump.
Humphries could go
The Nets now have only four players from last year’s roster: Harris, Lopez, TWill and Humphries.
Notice how the Nets
kept there best three players from last year and built around it I like that.
Murphy < Yi
Morrow = Hayes
Farmar = Dooling
Outlaw < CDR
James < Simmons
Petro < Battie
May = Boone
GREAT OFFSEASON WITHOUT GETTING LEBRON OR ANY OTHER TOP FREE AGENT.
Murphy<<<<<<<<<<<<Yi
Morrow<<<<<<<<<Hayes
Farmar=Dooling
Outlaw<<<<<<<<CDR
James<<<<<Simmons
Petro<<<<<
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Aaaaand one more time
<<<<< is pointed the wrong way? I’d give anybody the benefit of the doubt, but there’s no way Bobby Simmons is better than…. anybody.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 11, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
PLUS AVERY OVER KIKI, But King over Thorn probably the only loss of the offseason
even though he made a great move I forgot Favors because they will probably take it slow with him they said Three years to develope not three months, people forget.
you make a great point JJ25
They couldn’t get the best player(Lebron), so Plan B was to maintain flexibility while building around our three best guys: Lopez, Harris, and Williams.
It’s a smart, intelligent plan. Far more intelligent than just spending money to spend it like some folks wanted to do.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Humphries is an excellent insurance policy, don't see him leaving anytime soon
Looks like May is going to have a much harder time making the roster now.
Solid big man rotation:
Murphy/Favors/Humphries
Lopez/Petro
Plus, Murphy does have injury problems and when Humphries played last season, he wasn’t horrible. Provided a lot of energy and hustled. He may not be the most skilled but I loved his enthusiasm.
by ZR on Aug 11, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Playoffs?
Does this move mean we might make the playoffs? Not unless we get career years out of everybody, and Favors pans out. I’d like to see Favors get 20 minutes a game, no matter what else happens. He was the third pick in the draft, he has star potential, we must start to play him now. Him and Murphy should split the time. I don’t care if I never see THE HUMPH taking bad shots or missing around the rim again. AND Sean May is a long shot to make the club at all, unless he can backup Brook against some teams.
What do you folks see as the rotation and minutes allocations, now that CLee is gone and MURPH is here???
Paul from Delray Beach
East is least...
… 35 wins will contend for the #8 seed.
We should easily get to 30 wins. Making the playoffs is another story.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way starts over Murphy unless he shows fantastic talent going into allstar break. They want the kid to learn the right way. Murphy and popeye will be great mentors about toughness and positioning. You guys need to relax and watch this team grow. We are finally doing things right.
Avery never really mentioned Lee when he talked about the future. I thnk Twill gets the starting 2spot. Avery sees the potential in Twill and is going to ride him extremely hard this season.
Plus this is NJ own we are talking about. Troy murphy a White irish kid from West nj sticks used to drive down to the hoods of Newark to play ball with the best in the area just to see how he measured up. The man has heart!
This is a great day for NJ fans!!
Mannix
“The Nets offseason grade moves from a C- to a D+ with this latest trade. They would have been better off starting a PG at the PF position in order to preserve cap space.”
Considering Murphy is an expiring deal
and a trade chip teams would want, that’s a ridiculous statement.
yeah i havent seen this on his twitter
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Did he really say that?
What an assclown.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a joke from kiemurpjy
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Well it wasnt very funny.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh. I see where youre coming from but
I thought I was going to punch my monitor.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ha
Glad you didn’t punch your monitor! sorry about that. Should have indicated it within the message. Looked to be a lot more believable than I thought it would.
my bad.
ha, its cool.
Im not stupid enough to break my precious mac. lol.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
God Mannix is such an idiot
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a joke by kiemurphy...
…but I don’t care. I like getting riled up by all the dissing the Nets get. It’s the fuel keeps my fire burning. Then when we do kick ass (like in 2002) it’s a doubly awesome good feeling!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Great trade
Not only by get a great player with an expiring contract to preserve cap space for next year, but by also trading clee instead of twill. Clee is raja bell at best and twill has the ability to be a Joe johnson type player, possibly better. Billy, maybe it’s the jersey air but you’re starting to look smarter already.
by Dfence on Aug 11, 2010 4:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Joe Johnson?
C’mon, JJ made a living being a great shooter. TWill is no where near that yet. I don’t think you can even project him to be a Joe Johnson until his shooting vastly improves.
Poor man's andre iguodala would be more accurate for his upside
by muwu on Aug 11, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Terrence Williams
should worry about becoming Terrence Williams.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Second coming of Magic Johnson!
Mark my words! I said it first!
(Actually I read it somewhere even before he played an NBA game).
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a really good team now and for the future
Harris/Farmar
Williams(Morrow would have started if they got a guy that couldn’t shoot the three)Morrow
Outlaw/James/Ross
Murphy/Favors/Hump
Lopez/Ptero
Starting linup looks like it can score 75 points a game and a 2nd unit that can give 25 points off the bench.
And C-Lee is Arron Afflalo at best Not Raja Bell
T-Will is Andre Igoudala at best not Joe Johnson JJ can shoot.
Nice work King...
The season just got more intresting.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
The reasonable thing for ALL the people who ridiculed Jerry’s idea of trading for Murphy would be for them to upset about the trade NOW. Anyone who embraces the trade after the fact merely because we did it is not being honest with their own valuations. If you had good reasons to be against it then, you have good reasons to be against it now.
Its not enough to say: Great job Jerry, I was against you, but the Nets made a good move here.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Yeah but what are the odds that is going to happen?......
People aren’t going to talk against the Nets no matter what happens….It would make sense to have the same concerns that you did yesterday …….If you don’t like something one day unless there is new information brought into the equation, you shold have the same opinion the next day.
..
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Its just being honest. I don’t know why you can’t expect that.
Yes, Jerry gets some serious cred for predicting what the Nets would do.
But most of the time he was not predicting, he was arguing for what they should do, and people gave him all kinds of flack. If you were giving Jerry flack then it is not enough to say “Good job Jerry!” You should also be saying, I don’t agree with what the Nets did here.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont get my fellow Nets Fans
We all agreed we needed a PF. So we get a PF that will allow us to groom Favors and keep the following players
Lopez, Favors, James, Harris & Twill.
Would you rather trade one of them away? NO.
The team will be a winner and face it someone had to go at the 2/3 position. Lee couldn’t play another position. So he had to go.
They are high on Favors and Lopez to take care of that
not only playoffs nba champs.
We got a long way ahead to waorry about that
Keep building through the draft
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Its no guarantee we make the playoffs this year
And if we do King has a history of drafting well late. Plus those GS picks are helpful.
"Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier, the cigars taste better. The trees are greener."
Not gonna get superstar talent late though
If your problem is you’re missing that superstar, that guy who will lead you to a championship, well that’s very very rarely out of the top 10, which we very well could be even if we don’t make the playoffs
How is emulating the Jason Kidd years any better?
Did we even reach 50 wins after we lost KMart? We were stuck at the 17-22 pick. No young talent. No cap space. No getting past the 2nd round.
NBA teams need three good big men
there is nothing to prevent Favors from playing the 5…and in fact, I expect him to.
too many sports writers and other pundits are stuck in the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 thing. Athleticism gives you versatility.
by Net Income on Aug 11, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not saying he can't play the 5
But I would rather see the other big men play the 5 unless its an absolute emergency.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
he should play both spots depending on the line ups
there will be times when we can run Favors at the 5, James/Williams/Morrow etc
so many different combos can be used. This is one of the better Nets teams that we’ve had since the finals runs.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 12, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
We all agreed we needed a PF. So we get a PF that will allow us to groom Favors and keep the following players
Actually, the last few days people were going on and on about how we did not need a PF.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That's cuz we have Sean May!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. It’s amazing how we went from “flexibility” at the PF spot with Petro and May (not needed anyone) to suddenly getting a minutes guy at PF.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
People should be more worried about defense at this point
Avery is not gonna magically turn every average defender into a good one. There is no good defender on the roster now, noone to lead the way, i’m not counting unproven rookies just yet.
Lopez is a future bonafide franchise player, so HE’LL be leading us to the finals then we have a great compliment at the PF spot in Favors that will handle most of the rebounding and defense while providing some solid offense. Plus Harris at the point and some solid players like Outlaw, etc this team could be this decades version of the Pistons.
Except we don't have a four time defensive player of the year
Nor do we have a Tayshaun Prince level defender at the wing
He didn’t make team USA primarily for his offense.
2004-05 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor do we have an incredibly clutch PG, nor do we have a great post defender like Rasheed.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
People tend to overlook D. That Pistons team had 4 guys who were elite defenders at their position in Billups, Prince, RWallace, BWallace. They were a terror to try and score on. Hopefully Favors brings some D for us, but the rest of the guys I’m not sure about.
It is a huge difference, especially in creating Championship caliber teams. Every team that sucks wants to claim that they are the next Pistons.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget Richard Hamilton
while in his prime, he was one of the most underrayed perimeter defenders in the game IMO.
Not since Jason Collins.
the 2002-2004 Nets were a leading defensive team. D gets you to the finals, at least.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome, Great, Terrific.
Murphy helps now, keeps us cap-flexible, and this clears time for T-Will, who will give us way more that Lee ever would at the 2. Very, very nice first deal for Billy King. I was afraid that I was going to have to watch T-Will become an all-star somewhere else.
Go Sparta!!!!
Very happy to have a Spartan to cheer for.
by ispartan on Aug 11, 2010 4:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, but didn't the Spartans help defeat Troy...
Wonder whatever became of Helen? She was a nice girl…
Troy from Sparta...
…what were his parents thinking?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Doh!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Aug 11, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You said you dont think they are done just yet.
What could they want to do besides move Humphries?
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
if we move Hump then the PF platoon makes sense. But for now May sticks out like a sore thumb.
Murphy / Favors / Humphries / May
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
I give nothing but props to the Nets.
They get a good PF and keep Terrence Williams and dude contracts expires next year.
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 11, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
killa is that you?
My man just said something positive… You know its a good day when killa is happy :p
I almost posted on Cousins when Net Income started claiming that pigeon-holing someone as a 4 or a 5 is overrated. But I resisted.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Aug 11, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to start it lol.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
To start. First of all Lee didn’t want to be here. Rumors and speculation has been flying around the Opp Blog about Lee wanting to go back to the Magic or any contending team. Second our wing is full. I think King Doesn’t want to have problems in terms of playing time. Lee is a good player i liked him but with Avery wanting Twill to become a 2 and the signing of Morrow that leaves Lee only as a defender. He could explode sometimes but he’s inconsistent. Troy gives us the solution to the “Favors might lose his confidence.. when obliterated in the 4 spot early in his career” talks. It’s a risk that we have to take guys. Come on.. enjoy the ride.. it’s going to be an awesome season. At the END of the day you will all realize that this isn’t the 12 win team anymore.. it’s all new.. it the New Jersey Nets… :)
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
this team is winning 38 to 40 now
Billy King if this is what the future has in stored I am happy.
The Nets turn Courtney Lee to Murphy and worst case scenario things doesn’t work you are not stuck with a huge contract.
Scoring is no longer going to be a problem for this team.
Wow I’m actually happy
by killa kadafi191 on Aug 11, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
LOL..
I was surprised with the comment of killa.. I though his account got hacked or something.. LOL
The NETS is like my own sense of direction..
The MAGIC made me realize that one..
by silenthero07 on Aug 11, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the trade
I didn’t think Indiana would part with Murphy because of who is waiting in the wings at that position in Indy. I don’t see any of those guys as good league starters. But I guess overall , Collison was a more important coupe for them and they rolled the dice and they’ll add a PF later. Glad we benefitted from that decision.
With the the trade Morrow and T.Will both get to play. (Morrow and T.Will keeping their trade value up if need be). And James too (as I think T.Will would have taken his rookie minutes at SF) . While I love the Farmar-T.Will combo on the second unit , I think T.Will will get the start against teams like Miami or L.A.. Morrow possibly for teams like Boston and Detroit. They have some flexibility there.
And of course , Favors needed some time and Murphy is a major upgrade over Hump starting so that’s good.
I thought we would be under 30 wins prior to this move , but after there’s a chance we can be a 30+ win team.
Seriously
If Devin was the old Devin, Lopez continues where he left off last year, TWill puts up Iggy’s numbers, and Murphy has his typical year, I don’t see how this cannot be a playoff team regardless of what we get out of the SF position. The bench depth is also outstanding.