Nets Holding On To Hayes' Rights, but Why?
by Net Income on Aug 11, 2010 8:05 AM EDT
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PrintKeyon Dooling and Tony Battie have signed with the Bucks and 76ers, but the rest of the Nets 2010 free agents --Bobby Simmons, Trenton Hassell, Josh Boone, Chris Quinn and Jarvis Hayes-- are sitting by the phone.
As Dave D'Alessandro reported, the Nets have renounced their rights to all but Hayes, which raises the question, why? The Nets aren't saying publicly but there are a couple of possibilities: the most likely is that Hayes is the most salable commodity and in a sign-and-trade for a power forward he gives them additional flexibilty. The other possibility, once raised by Fred Kerber, is that the Nets might look to re-sign Hayes, who turned 29 Monday. Hanging on to Hayes' rights costs them nothing other than a $2.9 million "cap hold", which goes away when he signs.
Meanwhile, Hayes has been working out as well as working the phones. He told his brother's Georgia State team Tuesday that "I usually shoot twice a day, and in each session, I have to make 500 shots."
- NBA Veteran Jarvis Hayes Visits Panthers - Georgia State Sports
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I don't see how or why we would sign him unless for trade purposes
We’re already overflowing at the wings as it is
I like Jarvis
Outstanding team guy. If he’d be happy with staying, I’d love to see him back for another season.
Obviously the trade scenario is more likely though, and that could obviously work out in our favor.
Either way – I wish him nothing but the best.
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Let's get real
Nobody is gonna give you anything that would be worth taking on for him. Why would we take on a “spare” PF? Could Hayes get us anyone better than Humphries or May? He’s not a hot commodity. He hasn’t received any offers worth more than the minimum. He’s an unrestricted free agent. I cannot see anyone giving a PF wortthy of taking a chance on for an UFA they can sign straight up for the minimum. Any team can sign him for the minimum, we have zero leverage and it’s not like Hayes is worth giving up on anything significant anyways.
I like the guy tho, wish him the best, he’s a great pro. He should sign with a contender.
Btw, last week I was hearing a Greek team was interested in him.
Jarvis helped us win a lot of games and he brings a veteran
That knows our team and can shoot the 3 with morrow and farmar
Well according to my calculations...
If Hayes helped us win four games last year, he helped us win 33.3% of our total wins. I guess you can call that “a lot”.
Nice guy... but he's too old...
Man…the dude is almost 30!… But if he’s willing and able to accept his role as a key veteran reserve for us, and it doesn’t affect our cap space, why not. He can bring instant offense off the bench and be an insurance policy in case of injury. And if we have to trade some of our wings for something special we still would have Hayes as a backup. But I wonder if Jarvis would want to return? You know some team will grab him eventually. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. I think the Nets know what they are doing.
No space for him on this team
He is a veteran presence they want, maybe package him with Lee and Hump for another power forward who knows.
Good Move by Nets
They have nothing to lose with this move.
Also remember that May, Udih and Zoubek are not guaranteed contracts.
I wish I had a quarter...
for every time I misspelled Ben Uzoh’s last name or seen it misspelled by others. We should nickname him “Uzi”. Then all we have to do is get Andrei Gennadyevich Kirilenko, and with a AK-47 and Uzi at our disposal, we should have enough firepower to go up against anybody.
P.S. What a long way to go for a bad attempt at humor….
by M I K E on Aug 11, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
i prefer to call him
“Young Uzi”
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
As long as he can shoot...
…3s that is!
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He might as well...
change his name to Ben Kirilenko, another last name I can’t spell correctly, then we can just call him AK-47 and save the 18 million dollars. Kill/shoot two birds with one machine gun…
sounds like a Die Hard sequel in the making
Add in the Outlaw, The Little General, Mr. T and the Blur and we could have our own version of The A-Team or The Expendables.
by aunt-B on Aug 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like to drink...
So it’s hard to stop myself writing ‘Ouzo’.
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speak for yourself
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really sure about this
I like Jarvis, but we’re already stacked at the wings.
Again, I would prefer to keep Lee, Williams, and Morrow on board unless something mindblowing comes through
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
Even John Boone can make 500 shots...
if he takes 10,000 in each practice session…
esp for that type of role
Ross will be riding the pine, guy’s a solid pro and won’t complain… Hassell can be that type of guy, too. Hayes is a rotation guy who wouldn’t crack the rotation here with all those youngsters we have at the wings…
I like both of them honestly. Good guys, came in, shut their mouths, tried their best but both left a lot to be desired out there on the court.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
hmmm....
why not buy out Ross, and resign Hayes to whatever Ross is making?
Will that cut down our cap space?
I wanted to see what Ross could do as a defensive player off of the bench in spot situations though. Having another 3 pt shooter in the stash in Hayes though can’t hurt but we need to think about defense.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
you always need at least one perimeter dude that can be the defensive specialist.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
he can also shoot a bit
he may need to buy a couple of nice suits, but he will have a role on an Avery Johnson team.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rossqu01.html
33% from 3pt land for his career. That can work
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my favorite things about NetsDaily...
Is that they never fail to find the most random pictures available to use in their posts… What the hell is going on here?! If Hayes can levitate the ball with his mind like in the picture, we should DEFINITELY resign him. Otherwise, thanks for your service, Jarvis, you were great, but we’re taking it in another direction.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL
You sure that’s not Bobby Simmons doing that magic trick. Last year he made himself disappear into thin air. I’m still wondering how he did it…
Bobby Simmons was on this team last year?
Could have fooled me
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
why, who would try to kill him?
I mean, other than stealing $10 million dollars from Bruce Ratner last season, Bobby is a model citizen.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
The REAL magic was the $10+ million he got last year to perform his disappearing act…
by JohnFromLongIsland on Aug 11, 2010 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want to trade him for Bryant Reeves.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always been interested in Brian Cardinal.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats Andres
Breaking: Hornets, Rockets, Pacers & Nets working on 4 team deal. Ariza to NO. C. Lee to HOU. Collison & Posey to IND. Murphy to NJ.
Here you go people
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2a8nyrj
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at muwu?
Congrats? I’m not C-Lee’s biggest fan, but I value what he brings to this team, I don’t like that trade and would be disappointed if it happened. I don’t want us to trade ANY significant asset for a veteran stop gap solution at the PF.
what i don't understand is...
why HOU would essentially trade Ariza for CLee? Have they already lost interest in Ariza who they just signed in the previous offseason (or they realized they paid him too much)? Don’t they have Kevin Martin already?
by Whoop Dee Damn Doo on Aug 11, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If true, I think they looked at
Ariza’s 39% shooting, 14.9 ppg and salary and compared it to Lee’s 43%, 12.5 ppg and salary and figured the deal is worth it.
They are probably also looking beyond this year and re-signing Battier.
The Rockets are building a machine down there in Texas
it’s a shame that Yao could be done. That would have been an ungodly squad
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
holy CRAP
Not a fan of giving up Lee, but Favors/Murphy/The Hump/May is a mean platoon
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Murphy also has similar skills to Dirk which allows
Avery to use an offense he is comfortable with.
hmmm.....
the plot thickens.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery could work his magic to make Murphy better than Dirk
Compared to walking on water, Avery could do wonders for Murphy
good point, although Dirk does not rebound and Murphy (Jersey Boy from Sparta) is not so offensively gifted
And so said the old man!
Oh no they are no where near
the same player. But both have a face up game that stretches out to the 3pt line and can put the ball on the floor to go by defenders.
Could someone photoshop a pic of Murphy in a Nets Jersey into the 300 background
Screaming: THIS IS SPARTA!!
Murphy can stretch the floor and rebound
defense, not too sure about.
Lopez/Petro/Zoubek
Murphy/Favors/Hump/May
Outlaw/James/Ross
Williams/Morrow
Harris/Farmar/Uzoh
Ross might not have to wear suits after all, NI
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
T-Will is clearly worthy enough to start, but we need someone that can shoot next to Harris and that’s Morrow. But Morrow could be a defensive liability if his defense is as bad as advertised.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to gauge anybody's defense
on a Nelson coached team.
Look what Avery did with the defense
of the last Nelson coached players he took on.
great point
Let us pray to the basketball gods that Anthony is capable of at least staying in front of some of the two guards that he will have to face.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So, if this is true...
….looks like kv and Big Tom owe me an apology, since T-Will is clearly not the odd man out
I don’t like the idea of losing perimeter defense. Morrow better bend his knees and move his damn feet
If this is true, Welcome Home Troy Murphy
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I said TWill ought to be the odd man out
I still think Courtney is more of a winning player than TWill, even though Terrence is more gifted.
The Nets obviously had no intention of signing Courtney after this year. Giving him up for a (presumed) one year rental on Murphy means they weren’t so enamored with Courtney and probably would have let him go anyway.
This frees up Morrow to start and TWill to play full-time Tazmanian Devil in reserve. He could have the ball and free up Farmar to play the 2, as N.I. has reported.
If I said that the Nets think TWill is the odd man out, then I apologize and admit I was wrong. But I think I have always writen it was my opinion of what the Nets should think.
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trade machine says 1 year left
that was my source…sorry if inaccurate :)
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lol. The conversation has changed so quickly
It looks like we need a new post from NetsDaily.
And so said the old man!
Okay
so we take on 11 mil in salary, which is an expiring deal. I’ll take this especially since if another deal comes along we can flip Murphy.
jerry probably just had a heart attack because he finally got his wish.
Again, not a fan of loosing Lee, but if I had to choose between losing Williams and Lee obviously I pick Lee. I’m worried about the defense on the perimeter.
If this goes through, this should be a sign to Terrence that the Nets have put their eggs in his basket. He better get that chin up, his ears open, and come into camp ready to take the next step upwards.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
also Mr. DB
A lot has been said about Avery and his comments or like there of about certain players. IN the beginning when Avery was first named head coach he talked about Courtney.
Then as time went on he didn’t mention him very often. So (in my opinion) it would appear that he pretty much knew who he wanted to develop and who he thought was expendable.
On the other hand, I hate to see him leave, he is a good guy and if this goes through I wish Courtney the best.
same here
Good luck to Lee. I called him a bum last year when he started off slowly but he proved me wrong.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
a delay?
The kid hasn’t even played a game yet. The only thing that we can safely assume is that you do not know what you’re talking about in terms of this matter.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand why we would trade away Lee for a stopgap
I understand we have a logjam at the wing spots, but maybe they shouldn’t have signed all those wings then. We have some needs but this is gonna be pretty much a something for nothing deal in 1 year. And could be a deal that comes back to bite us in the ass if Lee proves his worth in Hou.
Are we sacrificing young players in order to fulfill the stupid – we will make the playoffs this year – promise by proky early on? I do not like sacrificing long term health for short term gains.
Because it balances the team and
makes everyone better. I rather have fewer young, talented players playing well and winning then to have a team of mismatched parts where everyone doesn’t play and they lose.
Murphy gives the Nets a legitmate scoring big at the 4 spot. That’s a big hole to have. He also has a completely different skill set than Favors. Both will have a role.
Well what happens a year from now when we don't resign Murphy and we basically have nothing to show for trading away Lee?
I think Lee has more talent or potential than a our two free agent wing signings, outlaw and morrow. He’s a superior defender to both of them, and can hit the three.
I mean, you’re trading Lee not for Troy Murphy, but for one year of Troy Murphy.
Last year's performance obviously soured the Nets on Courtney
He was disappointing.
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But he was able to turn his shooting around the 2nd half of the season
And played defense all year long.
If you’re gonna base performances on last year, we should trade Harris and TWill as well.
I think he’s gonna thrive in a defensive team like Houston, not to mention he’ll be back where he belongs, as a role player just shooting threes. Helps also that he’ll have Shane Battier as a mentor.
He was our best perimeter defender
Now we have Morrow and TWill and Harris defending the perimeter. Yikes.
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So much for a defensive philosophy
Will this be regarded as another Billy King goof? Only time will tell
This trade was obviously done with Avery's approval though
if this trade is true
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah
But if Lee become an all defensive selection, that will be two all defensive players King will have traded, him and Sefolosha. For Troy Murphy and Rodney Carney.
yeah
you’re preaching to the choir bro, I didn’t want to lose Lee.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a different argument
You prefer Lee to our other wings. I repect that, but disagree. Lee has potential, but personaly I wouldn’t say more than the other players.
Even then, we still traded a young player with potential for a one year rental
a one year rental who isn’t really the difference between the playoffs and the lottery, as evidenced in Indiana or Golden State
You just said
“I think he’s gonna thrive in a defensive team like Houston, not to mention he’ll be back where he belongs, as a role player just shooting threes.”
You think he is best as a role player. Murphy could have value next summer in a S&T. Plus, like I said in my other post he will balance the team. What’s the point of having all these young guys if some won’t play and the team is going to lose?
Yeah, a good role player in the mold of Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen, Shane Battier
And when I say role player, I mean in terms of offensive role. I think he was a much better defender in Orlando because all he had to do was shoot threes. All his energy was expended on defense. Like Devin in Dallas.
Might I add Troy Murphy is the active player that has played the most NBA games without appearing in an playoff game
Never been to the playoffs ever in his career
i don't think that that's a valid piece of evidence to indict him though, mu
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that....
….offensively and on the boards, he’ll help.
Defensively…..I have no clue. How bad is his defense is what i’d like to know
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Murphy the guy Net Income said is slow of foot, therefore Avery would not trade for him?
Or was that somebody else?
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yeah
i hate trading him for a one year rental.
How much cap space would we end up with once Murph and The Hump are off of the books?
Our low post defense could end up being awful though. I’m not sure that the Murph is a good defender.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The defensive aspect scares me too
but hopefully well have a solid team concept. Who would’ve thought the Mavericks would’ve been a good defensive team?
good team defense trumps individual defense
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
we have Outlaw, Morrow, Williams, and James at the wing spots. Average age is 23.5 years old. We have plenty of young wings.
Don't forget
Ross the Boss, who is 29 years old. I guess he will be the new Trenton Hassel
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
The goal was to rid the Nets of anything (or anyone)-KIKI. Del Harris, gone. Kiki, gone. Yi, gone, Lee, gone.
And so said the old man!
and after having to drink heavily in order to sit through last year's games....
….my liver is gone, too.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, also cause Derrick Favors is a bad player.
Consequences will never be the same.
by NetsMets4Life on Aug 11, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
…..I don’t like the idea of losing Lee for a stop gap player. I wish we could have gotten a 2nd rd pick out of this.
If this deal is true.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Aug 11, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If Favors is not starting
and Avery was going with Hump at the PF then I’d rather have Murphy and TWill at the 2 then Hump and Lee.
To Come Back Full Circle
I guess King knew this was in the works.
So keeping Hayes Rights may pay off.
Guess there isn't much point in talking about re-signing Hayes.
Hayes is gone, with the Nets only having about 4 million in cap space as of now.
i like the trade but
we gave up a $1 million player for a $12 million!
Lee did not impress last year and will do better in houston
murphy will open up the post for lopez
hopefully avery will preach and teach the D
zoubeck is terrible and i cannot believe he is in the NBA much less my team
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