Thomas Re-Signs With Charlotte
by Net Income on Jul 9, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
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PrintThe Nets had to be doubly relieved by Derrick Favors' performance in the Summer League Friday. Not only did he look like the guy they thought they have drafted. He also may be the guy they will have to rely on. Tyrus Thomas, the otherworldly athlete they had targeted, re-signed with the Bobcats, leaving them with Favors and Kris Humphries as the only power forwards on the roster.
Bobcasts owner Michael Jordan decided to give the 6'10" Thomas the same deal the Nets were offering him: a front-loaded five-year $40 million deal with a 17.5% signing bonus. The deal will pay the 23-year-old $12 million this year. The Nets decided not to get into a bidding war with Bobcats, ending their pursuit of Thomas on Friday morning.
The Nets will now move on, but the pickings sure are slim. Other than Udonis Haslem, who appears ready to re-sign with the Heat (and is 30 years old), the rest of the field is populated by lesser lights like Brian Cardinal, Al Harrington, Leon Powe, Matt Bonner, Craig Smith, etc.
- Nets pass on Tyrus Thomas, who re-signs with Bobcats - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- Tyrus snubs Nets - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Thomas re-signing with Bobcats - Adrian Wojnarowski - Yahoo!
- Nets lose Tyrus Thomas to Bobcats - Al Iannazzone - The Record
- Jersey Favors Rook Over Vet - Stefan Bondy - New York Daily News
- Bobcats, Thomas Agree on 5-Year, $40 Million Deal - AP
- Udonis Haslem and ex-Gator Mike Miller to join the Heat's Big Three - Tom D'Angelo - Palm Beach Post
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Wow 9-10 Million?
So much for the Heat to convince him to the vet minimum.
Maybe I’d sign him to a 1-2 year deal.
We were willing to give close to 10 million per for Tyrus.
And for 5 years.
you aren't giving anything
I love the Nets...too bad they don't love me...
by BEB on Jul 9, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
pickings are slim
Euro players. Zubek. D league. If you don’t have a dominant 4, have at least 3 4s and 3 5s would be a good idea too. So you can bang and foul. I dont want out 2 PW’s in foul trouble and CLee moves to the 4 spot. Sigh, I wish we had Bass.
exactly...
some blueprint this is! What a joke!
I would not have minded Tyrus Thomas, but favors did look all kinds of nasty today, but it is just summer league. Maybe Favors will have a great year.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
agreed
though I’m not sure I would have wanted to give him that contract either.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
no that was MJ proving great players may not be great at NBA management
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I’m not sure even he wants to play for us.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/al_be_seein_ya_NzQ1hz7clAuVxglIg9sqbK
The former star at St. Patrick’s High in Elizabeth, who lives in Edgewater, said he’s not trying to send out any subliminal messages — but told The Post he definitely would be interested in signing with his hometown Nets this summer, especially since they will play in Newark, 10 miles from Elizabeth, the next two seasons.
2010 salary: 10 mil
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=308
Don’t wanna pay anywhere near that for a 12-year guy.
Could 2 yrs for $16 mil total be reasonable?
Or 3 yrs for $24-25 mil if you felt desperate enough later on?
I’m not expert on contract rules, so may not even be possible.
In hind sight
Al H on a 2 year deal would be better then TThomas probally. He could fill a gap and help Favors at the same time.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Portland owns his right?
But could be vast upgrade over Yi. Kryapa can shoot (41.8% from downtown in Euroleague), rebound, not shy of contact. I say do it Thron!
Probably UFA...
… Blazers traded him to the Bulls in 2006.
Left Bulls to go back to CSKA in 2008, don’t believe that the Bulls retained his rights.
We still need to sign a big
With Favors being raw, and Hump being barely any good as a bench guy, let alone a starting guy, we only really have 1 starting big. Buuut, helps that we have two small forwards who are 6’8" and 6’9" and can play power forward. Outlaw and James FTW
Beasley is gone.
He plays for minny now.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
meh
his red flags are just too big IMO.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I played some power forward
back in my 3rd grade days. I’m just a phone call away Prokhy.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Let’s take the easy way out. We go to Miami and u backup Bosh and I’ll play Center
by TheMann2 on Jul 9, 2010 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would play for the Heat for 500K
Just hit me anywhere outside the arc and I will Knock down my shots.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 5:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't mind Troy Murphy
I’d take Troy Murphy off the Pacers hands. Good rebounder and can spread the floor with his 3 point shooting. Only 1 year left on his contract.
second round pick...
… assuming the Pacers want to dump the contract.
why would they dump it there's one year left
They could start him and get something from him for a year or trade him at the deadline.
That hurts
I thought we offer more than that we should have gone 5 and 45, with upfront bonus. I know its desperate, but now there is no way we make the playoffs. I know a lot didn’t like it but Thomas would have been a good fit. I think we got a pie in the face here.
we dodged a bullet.
$75 million combined for tyrus thomas and travis outlaw would’ve been absurd
Yep!.
Still needing a power forward though.
I like Thomas a lot more then Outlaw
but I tend to agree with that line of reasoning
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Nets should have went after Thomas first before
They went on their way and sign Outlaw for 5/35
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why? You saw how much the Bobcats paid for him?
The Nets wanted to go lower, and if they did, the Bobcats would’ve matched obviously.
eh I like Thomas better than Outlaw
imo we dodged the wrong bullet
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
fair enough
but 1 bad contract is easier to swallow than 2
I like the possibility of Troy Murphy
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yeah I'd take a chance on Murphy for 1 year
by TheMann2 on Jul 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
your right
No need to get worried, we are already Draft and Free Agency losers, why worry any longer…
screw it
We do it the right way…the draft. I seriously think we will not be able to get any FA next year too. So it’s draft or trades. Go lotto next year too. Hope our young guys keep improving. In 2012 peeps will be dying to join us in Brooklyn. Then we speak to them in third person like Lebron. Proky says no, Proky has spoken.
I like harrington
but he tends to be a me first type of player….ehhh
Ohh. Like LeBum?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Harrington too he has good stats at least
by BLUEPRINT.FOR.GREATNESS on Jul 9, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would we give up anything for a one year rental
When we are a few years away?
Get Craig Smith!
Major sleeper.Guy’s called the Rhino for a reason. Good scorer, strong as an ox, or a rhino at that
Andrei Kirilenko Please!!
This is the guy I want.. last year of his contract
but he plays three...we have a three
Troy Murphy makes sense
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
he cna play the 4
Actually, there are some stats that suggest he’s more efficient when he plays the PF
And there’s no reason for the Jazz to trade him at this point.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 14, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Geeeeeeeeez
Farmar is not a starter! He’s not even a very good back up PG, he’s very average even as a backup!
and at pg…? Dont tell me Felton/Farmar/Ridnour
Why create a hole at pg for a temporary PF until Favors gets ready?
Now go get Felton
He would sign if he could start and the Bobcats have too much money tied up to Thomas to match
I think he’s going to Cleveland (after they cut Delonte West).
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
J. Smith?
He’s probably not and it would take more than Harris, but I’m just throwing it out there.
wow loots that is tough
Josh Smith when focused is a freaking animal and is like 25 I think. But its helping one area and hurting another. We would need a PG who can be affective then I would drool for Smith, but him being so young what are you going to do with Favors??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Smith could play SF
I think that’s why the Hawks wanted Shaq. So Horford can play his natrual position at the 4, and Smith at the 3.
Wait, forget what I said. I forgot we had Outlaw.
Yeah, with Smith, I don’t know how Favors would be able to start in a few years.
Well
unless Outlaw is gonna be a bench player?? IDK mabey Smith at 3 I just love him under the rim though..
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Look, I said back in May let's get Haslem
but not at $9 million per. We might be able to trade for Verajao who makes a little over $7 million per.
oooooooooo verajo's good
one of the best hustlers
The blueprint...
…is to make everyone else commit big money this year, and clean up next year ;-)
But who exactly is available next year?
by TheMann2 on Jul 9, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Troy Murphy makes $12million...final yr of contract
hes a jersey guy too
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
shed money
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Not as big a priority for Utah...
… after losing Boozer.
:)
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
by Claud on Jul 9, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I understand it may be too bold, but
why not to go to war with D.Favors as your starting PF. Lots of pain first half of the season, but probably big improvement around All-Star break. It’s not like we’re going to be a contenders this year.
I say bring DF slowly off the bench (behind Hump) and anywhere around game 25 let him be our starting PF!
This us when the Yi trade is going to bite our asses
yi, hump are tradeabe assets…
i wouldve given yi for troy murphy…straight up
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
indiana would get a shooting big man in return and would save $8 million
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I think I've said this in the Yi traded to Washington thread
If we came up empty during free agency, the Yi trade definitely comes back to bite us.
I think if we start Favors and have another losing year it will kill the players on the roster
Imagine playing for this team, these guys had a tough year last year. It sucks as a fan, you think they want these guys to go through another year like last year?
NO
Bill Simmons
PS: Craig Smith belongs on a contender in a Big Baby role. Fantastic energy guy, skilled, fun nickname (The Rhino).
I love Craig Smith. He’s my favorite undersized power forward other than Paul Millsap. Total banger, plays hard, good guy, swings quarters coming off the bench, causes real problems for certain teams. Smith and Butler are the luxury role players GOOD teams have
ok Craig Smith
Plan Z, we still are going to suck next year
I hate Bill Simmons
But I agree. He would know about Smith, too – he’s a Boston guy; Smith went to BC.
I’d be happy with him.
No one else out there worth signing
nets will get creative with trades…they always do
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Thank God
We didnt make another mistake.
I am ok with Al Harrington if it is a 2-3 year deal for $5 Mill a year.
Key word being "before"
Didn’t play defense then, won’t play defense now. Big contract. Can we get him? Maybe, offer TWill or Favors. But would you really wanna give than up for him?
Damaged goods. He was OK before injury and after he's just not gonna do it.
Reminds me Nenad post trauma. ACL can turn player’s career down the drain.
He’s gone to Utah, which is probably better for him anyway, since Jerry Sloan has a MUCH BETTER track record of turning around defensively challenged big men (see: 2004 Carlos Boozer/2009 Carlos Boozer).
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 14, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
How bout this? Trade for K-Mart
Wait, he’ll be hurt in the beginning of the year.
but
Dont we need him for the beginning of the season.
That is the whole point we need someone to start until Favors is ready to start.
At this point he would give us a great veteran presense and mentor for Favors
We would still lose and get a good pick.
How much is Al Harrington?
And why are so few people in favor of getting him for a couple of years?
If he comes real cheap
He wont be able to be with Avery.
He will probably play some Defense here too.
I think with his jump shot he could help. Favors = Defense Al=Offense.
I just remember that, when we played the knicks, he hit 3s and made most of his FTs
That automatically makes him a better big man than we’ve had in a long time.
Haslem Can Play both the 4 and the 5 (defensively)
A very valuable commodity.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I guess first of all we have to ask: How old is 30 years old now? People are playing into their primes much longer than they used to be. Check Grant Hill out. Its probably HGH or something, but I can see Haslem solid for 3 or 4 years at least.
Secondly, Haslem would HOLD DOWN the 4 and 5 position for years. He would be an able back up to Lopez and is a strong character guy.
He would not be a promise land guy, but he might be a take you to the promise land guy.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He had series injury issues, that does not make his body YOUNGER.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
NBA's about mileage, not age
Reason why TMac is so old at 31, Kobe not exactly a spring chicken anymore as well, Jermaine O’Neal
TMac is not old because of his injury not because of anything else
Kobe was looking old because he was injured. Every time he had his knee drained he suddenly became dominant.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, Tmac is old BECAUSE of his injury, not because of anything else.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s 38 at least. And he shut down Kobe for stretches. The point is, 30 isn’t what it used to be.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well compare mileage of two guys in the league the same length
Grant Hill – 868 games, 30,500 minutes
Jason Kidd – 1,187 games , 44,040 minutes
Of course he’s gonna be better than his age
Last year Kidd played at a VERY high level. I don’t understand your point. We are talking about a 30 year old.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Point being, it's not so much 30 not being what it used to be (although it isn't with medical advances)
If you’re 30 and have been playing in the nba since you were 18, you’re gonna be worn down. If you only started at 24, you’re fine. Look at mileage, not age.
And your point about HASLEM????
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Haslem has 517 career games
And Hill has 868 career games.
You are tellling me that Hill is a spring chicken because of how few games he has played.
Even if Haslem plays 80 games a year he STILL will not reach “spring chicken” status in 4 years.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Relatively, spring chicken, as compared to other 37 year old guys
I’m not saying Haslem isn’t. I’m saying when you said
He had series injury issues, that does not make his body YOUNGER.
A younger body’s got nothing to do with it
It does have something to do with it. When you age (and playing basketball games is not the only way your body ages), you lose the ability to recover from both injury and fatigue, further reaction time changes. I don’t care how many games Hill played, he is 38 and has AGED.
Add to this career threatening injuries and you don’t say things like:
Grant Hill is playing at a high level because he missed so much time. He is 38 (in real years) and has had serious injury history. His body should be an older person’s body.
But the truth of the matter is he is playing at a high level.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The point of bring up Hill is that if Hill can play at 38 the way that he does (or at 868 games if you want to call it that), Haslem should be able to play through to 34 and 4 years.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We didn't even get shut out this offseason
We got no hit.
Outlaw is like a runner on a dropped third strike
ok
Harris
Lee
Outlaw
Favors
Lopez
maybe 10 wins??
its gonna be another horrible season
this team actually has a chance to be worse then last year without Hayes and Dooling
by netsball on Jul 9, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL!!!
Whenever people post stuff like this I get a laugh.
Thanks Again.
This stuff always cheers me up after a long stressful work day.
But Brown would have added 25+ wins!
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 14, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Favors over Yi makes us better simply cause at least FAvors can catch a pass and throw it down. James off the bench is better than Hayes last year.
Go Nets!
your probably right
but CDR wasn’t too bad either….
by netsball on Jul 9, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Outlaw is a better version of Hayes. Its hard to imagine we will be worst with, his addition and with Avery.
by Jid on Jul 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially since Hayes...
… missed the first half of last season with a bad hammy.
10 wins?
LOL.
I predict 21-25 wins with this team. Book it. Ask the folks on the other Nets forum, I was 1 game off of predicting our record last year.
I know ALL.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i don’t have a book. OK, I know. I’ll write it my monitor with this sharpie. Got it!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
How is that line up worse than last year's?
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Add D James....
… and Twill and the Hump, (maybe Boone and a backup PG) plus an actual coaching staff, and considering what just happened to Toronto and Cleveland, probably talking 25-30 wins on the low side, maybe 35-40 if Avery really gets them to play defense.
Going to be some ugly games where the Nets will be lucky to break 60, but the team will definitely be more physical and athletic than last year.
yes
but Houston has vowed to match any offer
by Taylor Bartle on Jul 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So force 'em to match...
… worst thing that will happen is the luxury tax pool goes up. It’s not like the Nets are going to spend the cap space on someone better in the next week.
I’d consider making an offer to Childress, too. Make the Hawks can choke on the JJ contract.
Bobcats just got nudged into the LT with theTT offer unless they move Chandler or Diaw (or one of their lesser bigs-Mohammed, Diop). Diaw (2 years left at $9m) for a second round pick works for me.
Good God basketball players are paid WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much!!!!
by Adam Frederick Ashby on Jul 9, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
He’s 37 and wasn’t that good when he was 27
by Taylor Bartle on Jul 9, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys dont get the point
We dont need him to score 15pts and grab 10 rbs.
We need him to defend the PF position, hit 15 ft jumpers and help prepare Favors to become the PF we need. Favors would get the bulk of the PT anyway.
We would also have Hump for the rest of the year.
Thank *GOD* Hump took his option!!!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to bring it up, what a stark contrast
Given similar situations and the same high stakes, the two men revealed what should now separate them in the history books. Whereas LeBron James created a media circus that appeared to be about everything but basketball, Tim Duncan, with his priorities in line, made a decision instead of a spectacle.
This coming from a player, who despite the hype, was a better player then than what LeBron James is today. And in delivering the news as only he could, Duncan revealed more personality than all the one-hour ESPN specials ever could (again, from NBA.com):
It was the Moment of Truth, or the Turning Point of the Franchise, or whatever reach-for-the-antacid title you want to attach to it. Duncan got straight to the point, which felt like a dagger in Pop’s gut.
"Well coach, you know, there’s no beach in San Antonio," Duncan began, trying to break the news gently.
You know when a woman gets a breakup call from George Clooney? This felt like one. Until Popovich realized he was being punked.
"There’s no beach in Orlando, either," Popovich growled. "There’s a cultural desert there. What do you want to go there for?"
Duncan laughed and gave the coach the good news: He was re-signing with San Antonio. The other day, Popovich smiled at the memory of getting pump-faked by his center, and said: "He got me. He got me good."
Duncan is a class act
I remember that summer where it was T-Mac, Duncan, and Hill on the market.
None of them screwed with other teams on purpose. They interviewed with teams, and went about their business like adults.
Really, James, Wade, and Bosh are a bunch of so and so’s and such and such’s
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LeBum
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
LeCoward!
Afraid of the bright lights and media scrutiny.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't work out as well...
… as the Magic had hoped after signing Hill and McGrady.
Traded a young Ben Wallace to the Pistons in order to S&T Hill.
May history repeat itself.
I can't believe some of our fans wanted him!
" The only reason a kinder, gentler, more nurturing Larry Brown got three good months out of him was by saying, "You’re three months away from the end of your NBA career – Chicago wasn’t going to pick up your option, they traded you here for a backup two-guard, and we’re not going to pick up your option either unless you shape up and grow up."
ROFL!!!!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No one's taking 1 year contracts
Not when everyone else got at least 4 year deals. They’re gonna be looking at Steve Blake and Darko Milicic and saying, if they got 4 year deals, then I should too!
why were evening considering dude
this was the perfect storm.
horrible season
horrible off season
is this a taste of things to come?
Proky, Avery, Newark?
That doesn’t suck.
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Failure
With 32 mil in cap space we only signed outlaw. Are we planning to tank next season too? What about cp3 n oka trade?
by NetsYankee on Jul 9, 2010 4:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Relax
I don’t want garbage players just cause we have cap space. we played fast and loose like every other team, and how could you not with the chance to get a player like that. But they are gone and lets get back to building through the draft
Since the face been revealed the game got real
by BL3ACH on Jul 9, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AI?
as in Allen Iverson? How will that solve the PF dillema?
by Taylor Bartle on Jul 9, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Scola or Halem for me...
At the right price.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
I would rather overpay Scola than Haslem.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
Why not just go after CP3+Okafor
Since we are going to overpay anyway give them our 5 picks in 2012+$25M(or $26M)TE if they are willing.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just keep telling myself
Favors will be a beast.
Favors will be a beast.
Favors will be a beast.
Favors will be a beast.
ahhahahah
one year come on now dude is at least 3 or 4 year project
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll see. i'll "hit' you at the end of the season when we're in the PO hunt
and D.Favors is getting better game by game.
IT WAS ABOUT LEBRON.
Had we landed him, we’d do anything to bring anybody he wanted to play with. We lost on Lebron and there is no dire need to fill the roster by vastly overpaying or make major trade (CP3) giving up assets. Stay the course!
Yeah I brought that up before
but CP3 is a star,and I would like him for devin harris and TWill, but he is not very durable, and he needs people to pass to. It might take more then those 2 players even though we are taking Oak.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
CP3
has done very well with whatever personnel he’s had in NO. I think that guy would do well with anyone—-just ask D.West. I’m sure Lee, Outlaw, and Brook (and Favors) would definitely benefit from CP3. Thats the kind of player we need here, someonethat will elevate the play of our entire roster.
And would he resign??
he would not be worth a lot if we get him for 1 year IMO
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Really?
He has never get out of the 2nd rd, and has one ONE (I do repeat O-N-E) playoff series in his hole career.
Also, David West is a two time All Star, and when they made their best playoff run Chandler and Stojakovic where in their primes, Tyson being a top defensive center and a game changer while Peja being one of the best if not the best shooter in the game, not to mention they had a heck of a coach in Byron Scott.
So it makes cluttering up the thread with nonsensical things okay?
Why don’t we just sign Donkey Kong then? He’d be a ferocious rebounder
Too 2-dimensional!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Man this off season sucks...
WTF is going on we must really be cursed, we need to bring back Dr. J in some capacity to exorcise these demons…Then u have some guys saying let the young guys develope, and to hell with overpaying free agents? why would u want our young guys develope when we’re winning 20 games a year? only thing they would develope is a losing mentality, we need to overpay or trade for something because avery and favors and outlaw aint gonna cut it!!!!!!
We could be a playoff team.
I asked TWill on Twitter. He believes it. But Proky has a hell of a lot of work to do.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Perry Jones
And no, no one gives up a number 1 selection. People were talking about Oden staying in school too
no
He would want to be in on a ground floor for a team that is going to Brooklyn.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Hey
We could get one with Golden’s pick, and still make the playoffs
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Warriors pick at least 2 years down the line...
… earliest the Nets get it is 2012, and even then its top 7 protected.
O
I guess I read it wrong, I thought it was this year, thanks for clearing that up I would of been real disappointed come draft time
Since the face been revealed the game got real
yeah so did I
lame
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
wait according to hoopshype
we can get it this year if they don’t make the lottery.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
yeah I think that might have been before the restructure
how did we trick them into restructuring it is the real question.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Nets wouldn't have gotten it anyway...
… under the terms of original deal.
New Jersey receives 2011 Golden State first round pick (lottery protected in 2011, top 11 protected in 2012, top 10 protected in 2013. *If it is not conveyed by 2013, the Nets get second-round picks in 2013 and 2015
no they restructured
Net Income has posted the details from the new one recently. It’s only top 7 and top 6 protected now.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
oooh nevermind i see
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Ted Stepien rule at work...
… teams can’t trade away consecutive future first round picks, and Golden State wanted the flexibility of trading away their 2010 first round pick. Since the Nets already had conditional rights to GS 2011 pick, they offered to reduce the protection if the Nets agreed to push back to 2012, and they even threw in some 2nd round picks.
fly said it as long as its not a top 7??? o there goes our top pick and still make the playoffs idea gina..lol
Since the face been revealed the game got real
no it's only top 6 protected for one year
and my plan was always #1 pick + gs’s pick.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Full current details here...
… on the front page of this site
If we suck I would trade our pick for Rubio
unless it’s barnes. Jones is a highlight film but he supposedly soft and disappears.
3 would be okay.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God we drafted Favors instead of a wing. At least there is hope we have a future PF in the waiting.
Right!
Wall or Turner would have left us with the Hump starting!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was thinking that:
It’s a good thing we didn’t draft Wesley or Demarcus.
With Wall though, that might’ve attracted LeBron so we just don’t know.
In a world where Tyrus Thomas, Undersized PF gets this kind of money...
what would Favors get if he was a free agent right now?
UGH!
WIth TThomas gone, it is starting to get really ugly. We can’t start the season with Favors and HUMP at the four. This is a disaster! I’d paid Haslem ten million for two years to start for us next to Brook. This is a disaster!
Paul from Delray Beach
The Nets aren't a playoff team
this team won 12 games. not 30 not 20 not 15. they need major work.
They need Jesus.
The minor improvements made will be nothing. How patient you think Brook is going to be? Is he going to want to stay here and keep losing or move on to better things?
Twill CLee and others?
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
last season's team
was playing “back to basics” remedial ball with a non-coach, no film or game preparation. Our new coaching staff will make a huge difference.
Well
I think Favors would be good playing off the bench this season
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Trade Time
Josh Smith
David West
Al Jefferson
Troy Murphy
Nick Collison
Chandler
Maxiell
Brandon Bass
Carl Landry
etc….
maxiell? is he available?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Landry is available?
GET HIM ASAP.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
Carl Landry
Yea ok on him too, If cousins is starting next year and e have to trade for Carl Landry lol isn’t that the defenition of ironic
Since the face been revealed the game got real
We could have had him in 09
for the Twill pick. Then we might hav taken Cousins Monroe or Johnson this year
I think WInners are an important ingredient for a young team.
Haslem was the glue of the Miami team, the one guy they couldn’t lose. He would have a very nice impact on the roster and would make Avery much more believable. If you added Farmar you would then have two championship experience players. It makes a difference.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Atchley
Signin atchely off summer squad. Been quietly consistent, prove he can rebound and block shots today despite his slight frame. Has range and is cheaper. Prefer to go with and unknown than have a desperation signing. Besides, can’t be any worse than our current predicament.
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That dude would get tossed around like paper.
Hells no.
" I'm really excited to take the worst team in the league and turn it to be the best in the league." --Mikhail Prokhorov.
It's like one of those nights.
You go out to the bar you just got paid, have some money to blow. Put on some good cloths – you feel good. You flirt with the hottest girl in the bar and she seems interested, but she leaves at the last second. Then you have a couple drinks buy a few for some girls and you start to notice that there are no good looking girls left.
Now you’re drunk and looking around and there are some girls you normally wouldn’t touch. You’re telling yourself “they’re not so bad”.
Don’t go wasting your time and money, go home and handle things on your own. Go to live another day.
by gsloots on Jul 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"Don’t go wasting your time and money, go home and handle things on your own. "
I wonder should I read this withing a context?
This is an awesome analogy
Rod must have had this beer goggles on when he started flirting with Miss Outlaw
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can't sign a pf then I want proky to be our pf
Let’s save money
Trade Harris Avery can play point.
by NetsYankee on Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like when they made Kiki the coach!
not "that" Jersey Shore...Point Pleasant, 10 refreshing miles north of Seaside.
by John at the Jersey Shore on Jul 9, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Other FAs I like
Amundson + C.Smith
Or a massive 1 year deal to Al Harrington.
We do have to spend a minimum amount of about $43m I think.
I got it!!!!
Sign shaq and let brook play pf. Tim Duncan is a center that plays pf. It’s and idea at least.
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Except Tim Duncan is one of the best defenders the NBA has ever seen
And highly mobile for his size. And no, not touching Shaq. Nor would he touch us
Reality Nets should just bomb the season again
that is the only thing that makes sense.
The front office talked all pretty. Put up a big billboard but the reality is it doesn’t mean nothing unless you get it done on the court.
The Nets tank the season and just get another player. Sure it will make Proky look bad and embarrassed in the press and public but this is the Nets. It’s nothing new there.
I can accept reality and what the Nets are and who they will be.
I can’t accept over paying for trash, role players and bench players while refusing to over pay all stars.
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well he just fail
and while he was failing he was partying.
I never thought I would actually say I would want Mark Cuban as an owner but I do
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno...
..i think the Nets screwed up but we were duped by the three clowns and the Miami Heat.
Prokho has to get back the respect he had prior to this but it’s not entirely his fault or Rod’s.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i'm expecting
a serious run at making the post-season, even though another lottery pick kinda sounds good.
I think Ridnour would have been better for them. He would pair better with Amare off the pick and roll.
he also would fit into D'Antoni's offense with his ability to hit the long ball
solid move Donnie.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Good for them
I bet we still win the season series, or split at worst.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...
Tyson Chandler has an expiring for 12 million. Can’t we trade for him straight up since we’re under the cap?
Josh Smith is making about 12 per, and would run through the 2013 season.
Craig Smith is also a nice stop gap option
We’re gonna have to platoon at PF folks until Favors is ready to bust some skulls
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I doubt if Atlanta gives away Smith under any circumstances
He had an allstar season last year, defensive player of the year candidate
And from Chandler’s performance last season, 6 ppg 6 rpg, he seems to be a CP3 product, or has lost it
Isn't it a league violation?
LeBron’s been playing with a skirt under his uniform for 7 years, who knew?
by TheMann2 on Jul 9, 2010 4:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Queen James
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
YESSSSSSSSS.........
That’s what I been saying. From King James to Queen James in a Miami minute. And alongside Bosh the “RuPaul” of basketball. They may turnout to be the new Supremes. With Wade as Diana Ross…lol
The NETS are coming!
You mean his reversible jersey?
One side is a uniform and the other side is a dress?
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 5:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please do not bring that topic up anymore. I HATE Yormark for using that as a promotion.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 14, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Fact We Have No Back-Up Center
Worries me more.
Favors
Humphries
Outlaw
D.James
Can all play the 4 if needed.
Zoubek is not ready to see the court and I don’t want to risk wear and tear to Lopez.
no small ball
get someone and platoon it dude
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Small ball should die...
We had enough of that with Lawrence “small balls” Frank aka the Greatest head coach ever.
by TheMann2 on Jul 9, 2010 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Small ball has a place and time
But if Damion or Outlaw can play the 4 without suffering, then why not? If Paul Millsap can do it at the same height
Milsap weighs 250
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, we need a gang of mediocre 4s and 5s.
sounds sarcastic but is serious
im WAY more worried
about no back up pg
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Me too
Devin was hurt quite a bit last year
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I think Farmar
is out of the question, he said he wants to start otherwise why the heck would he leave the Lakers
Since the face been revealed the game got real
He HATES the triangle. It doesn't fit his skill set
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
if you dont have a killer PF,
have a big gang of bigs. Get some Euro bigs, some D League bigs. Maybe a couple from the summer league team – or somebodu else’s summer league team. As MDB points out, We’re gonna have to platoon at PF.
WHAT!?!
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
thank god
maybe the mets can get him now =)
they're renting our property
smart move though. Why give up assets and prospects when you can just wait and sign him next winter?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not for YEARS...
His bat is his asset and he is not hitting lately. His plate skills are way below average.
The NETS are coming!
No way
The Platoon.
I don’t care if we have to platoon it with Hump, Hard Work, and two STIFFS lets just platoooooooooooooooooooooooooon
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Bass. He was very underutilized and was quite unhappy about it.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard SVG will utilize him this season
he’d be great for the platoon
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course they SAID that. What else are they going to say?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Stan isn't exactly Mr. PC
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And the reason he didn’t play him when he had the chance to last YEAR?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Stan isn't exactly a genius
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I would put Rick Adelman ahead of EVERY active coach NOT named Phil Jackson or Scott Skiles.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Carl Landry from the kings. the kings have 2 pf’s they can use right now. Lets get him.
Ak47 could work. He will get abused in the post but he is a great perimeter defender and rebounder.
Troy murphy i like alot but dont see IND giving him away.
I cannot believe what a joke this offseason has become. Thorn dropped the ball multiple times. Where is our new GM???!!!!!
7Yrs without a real starting PF!!!!!! that is inexcusable and i am not financially supporting this team until it gets dealth with!
7yrs!!!!!
shhh....relax...
…in two years, #14 will answer your prayers.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Anderson? Is this a joke smh?
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 14, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Knicks close to signing Raymond Felton - 1050
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
wow the knicks starting to look decent
Felton
by killa kadafi191 on Jul 9, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Felton will look good in an open court system.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
AK47?
how many injury prone players are we getting.
We already have Devin and don’t know what Outlaw is going to give us
Sign
My optimism is shot, it’s gonna be a long painful season. We’re gonna just have to bend over and take it cause we’re f………no lube
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
WELL… Thomas was the only player left I would be ok with us signing that would START. As far as I am concerned we have to now start Favors and let him develop fast and hope for the best.
Unless there is some magic trade brewing, which it doesn’t seem like. I was really excited about Tyrus playing for us though, damn.
We are going to win 20games next season at most. Trade Clee and hump and some picks for someone major please. Doesnt Chi need a SG? Trade clee and hump for Taj gibson and then sign ronnie brewer!!
Lopez
Gibson
Outlaw
brewer
harris
A young athletic hardnosed team right there.
I'd rather keep Lee
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Bulls now have Kyle Korver. They don’t need Courtney Lee any more.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 14, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we get a GM already?
Thorn has clearly left the building and we’re running around like chickens with our heads cut off. We need to suspend the FA process and make hiring a GM our number one priority. After that, the new GM can assess the landscape and figure out what options we have in terms of trades….we still have a ton of cap space ($25 million), so with some semblance of a plan, we will still be able to make some sensible moves.
I agree
Well, not really suspend the FA process, but make the hiring of GM and/or Pres a priority.
They can continue looking for or talking to free agents.
The new GM will then decide what direction we’re going, which is compatible to his philosphies.
It’ll be hard to undo what’s done.
I am kinda glad that Thomas is gone. He is a head case and not very disciplined. Haslem is perfect for next to Lopez. He rebound. He hits the 15 footer consistently. He rebounds and defends. He’d be a good influence on a young Lopez and Favors. Hump is best as a burst off the bench. I can’t even believe they considered Thomas.
+500
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
They want to move Jefferson first.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
yes. Way first.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would haslem come here???!!!! he is about to play on a dream team/ media circus. plus he loves florida.
for the league minimum?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think they are getting ANY rings They are not going to have a center, and they have no bench.
They will have no problems on offense, obviously. But PF basketball is defensive basketball and played in the half court.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleavland actually had a Center when they went to the finals, an under rated Center.
Center and PG are cornerstone positions. And having a bench of at least TWO very good players is a significant thing.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but still, who's to say they won't get solid veterans? And that opponents wouldn't have their hands so full with the big three that the center and pg problem isn't so big?
I mean, unless you have two defensive players of the year, either LeBron or Wade is gonna go off on you. Their main failing might be not being able to rest on defense since they have to play big minutes, and they can’t be put on the non-threat all the time anymore. Plus they don’t have the infectious defensive mindset of Garnett which enable Boston to do what they did. But Pat Riley might be able to motive them towards a single goal
Playoffs are about DEFENSE. Hello?
What “solid” defender of the post are you thinking about????
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
they're gonna bring in Jason Collins
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
deadly
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Bosh would break out into a cold sweat if Collins stepped into the practice gym
he remembers what happened the last time they faced…
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Asking Jason Collins to defend Dwight Howard at this point is like putting a blood-soaked bandage on an open wound – it won’t work.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
playoffs might be about defense
But that’s not gonna magically make teams be able to guard LeBron and Wade and Bosh at the same time.
And they actually have a somewhat decent defensive point guard in my thinking in Mario Chalmers. And I think they picked up Joel Anthony’s qualifying offer, active shotblocker at least. And again, you don’t know how they fill out there roster yet, judge them when they’re complete
The Lakers would have no problem guarding those three
And neither would the Magic.
Wade – Kobe
Lebron – Artest
Bosh – Gasol
Hello? Who is guarding Bynum? Who is going to guard Odom off the bench?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Kobe can guard Wade AND be the primary option on offense?
There’s a reason they don’t stick him on the best player all the time, they didn’t stick him on Ray Allen at first to keep him from being tired. Can’t do that now, he’s gonna have to expend double the energy every game.
And Bynum and Odom are hardly the biggest concerns in the world
I don't think you are very familiar with the Lakers
Any disadvantage Kobe would have Wade would have as well.
They didn’t put him on Allen because they had a very specific defense designed against the Celtics which involved backing off of Rondo and playing center field, shutting down Rondo’s passing lanes. Rondo was the head of the dragon, and Phil knew that that was the most important assignment .
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Kobe always guards Wade when they play the Heat.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
From my recollection
the entire time. Artest might have switched onto him once in a while, but Kobe has guarded Wade his entire career. Wade guards Kobe as well.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
But I will admit that the Lakers will probably put Steve Blake who is a good defender on Wade, since they finally have a long armed PG.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And wait, just who is gonna guard LeBron or Kobe on the Magic?
JJ Redick? Vince Carter? Mickael Pietrus (good defender, but not thaaat good)?
Carter would guard Wade. Much better than whomever was guarding Dwight. Dwight is the best Center in the league. Hello?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
gasol is a pf
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I consider him a center
when Bynum’s knee is acting up he plays center. I think of 7 footers as centers. And we saw Howard neutralized in the playoffs, no double team so he can kick the ball out. I have never seen Gasol get taken out of a game. Howard has no range to his game what so ever, he is only affective right under the rim where he dominates.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Ah, so you decide who is a center. I always wondered how that was decided.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
are you saying he dosn’t play center sometimes????
Since the face been revealed the game got real
sure he does, but he does when their CENTER is out of the game.
His game is much more a PF game, very similar to Kevin McHale.Every here of him? Hall of Fame Power Forward, not Center, though he could play Center if you asked him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I have heard of them
But its not like he plays pf great and he is a sub-par center only playing cause he was asked to. He can dominate from either position that was why I considered him in the first place.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
He weighs 250
How many centers play at 250?
He also has a very hard time guarding Centers. His mid range game and reach make it such that it really doesn’t matter WHO guards him, but he really isn’t a Center.
But it really doesn’t matter, if Dwight is the second best, or third best Center, he still is a beast and would destroy whomever the Heat put on him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesn't play it enough to be considered a center
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
howard was neutralized in the play-offs
because Van Gundy is a moron.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
also the "neutralized" Dwight Howard
scored 30 in game 2, 32 in game 4, 23 in game 5 and 28 in game 6.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
hey I like Gasol better
but if he is not an option as a center cause he plays pf when bynum is playing, then I would agree he is the best center then. I just get annoyed a bit cause if he worked on his o game he could be the best player in the league
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I think he does work on his post game
He just isn’t very good at it. He lacks touch, and touch isn’t something that one just gains.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
...in what world is scoring 30 points
in 3 out of 6 games, and 20 in a 4th considered neutralized?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
did you watch the games?
Physically he’s a force, but he breaks the rim with his hook shots. That was the game plan, let him score while eliminating putbacks and dunks and make carter and others beat you.
And how would the Heat eliminate putbacks and dunks with Dexter Pitman guarding him?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll find a big body to push him out of the paint and their guards will crash the boards
Watch Lebron will have over 10 boards in every game.
Which “big body” is going to hold Dwight off the boards? Its not as if teams haven’t been trying to stop him with solid Centers for quite a while.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
if he scores 30
off dunks and put backs, he’s doing something right.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And Howard scores 20 a night
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Basically he has a limited post game
but he’s a beast on the pick and roll. And only a moron, Van Gundy, would continually try to post him up when he can score other ways.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Pietrus indeed can guard Lebron (he has in the past). Its a much better match up than Kurt Thomas on Dwight Howard.
it doesn’t matter who on the magic has to guard Kobe, the magic are not the Heat
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
who's to say they won't get solid veterans?
maybe the fact that too this point there’s 1. no solid veterans really available, 2. proof of any of them being willing to take paycuts.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Its not JUST veterans. its vets that can defend the post. Its a huge problem
Especially considering the teams they have to beat.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And those guys don't exist?
There are guys out there. Maybe not the greatest of players but capable nonetheless.
Who? Name a name.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasho Nesterovic, Kurt Thomas, Fabricio Oberto, Joe Smith, Theo Ratliff, Brad Miller, Ilgauskas, Steven Hunter, Amundson, Juwan Howard, Ian Mahinmi, James Singleton
There are some guys with championship experience there, some young guys, some guys with a lot of talent left.
A lot of these guys are old as hell, but check through their game logs, they still had some good stretches last season. Especially Kurt Thomas, Brad Miller, Ratliff, and a couple others. They’re not the best, but they’re hardly the worst
Old as hell is right.
And which of these guys is guarding Dwight Howard?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
When you have NOBODY guarding him the problem is so much worse, especially in the PFs.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
this
most guys can at least get in his way. Dwight is gonna score 40 on them.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And also he won’t have to guard anyone on the other end, so he won’t have a foul problem. He is gonna have 40 and 25 rebounds.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
not in this FA period
who like that is available and going to sign for minimum?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He never even really guards PFs, let alone Cs.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Because he doesn't want to
but he could. Isn’t he buying into the team philosophy. Didn’t Riley make a young Magic play center? Just saying. I don’t think it will happen, but that TEAM has a lot of flexibility.
Magic played center for ONE game.
It was a championship game, indeed, but it was one game. Lebron would be ground down to an extreme degree at Center, and would be a foul machine.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They have ZERO flexibility at Center.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly hope that Haslem would not turn down 40 million dollars.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though and rather suffer through favors growing pains than overpay for a scrub, the nets best off season pickup is the coaching staff and good coaching can change the face of a team. The rockets did have any stars last year bit they were well coached and had a good season. I guess in Avery we trust.
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Adelman has gotten WAY MORE out of WAY LESS than Johnson.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Childress
Childress is still available and a solid appropriate choice who fits in well
I hate to admit this
But the Knicks are running circles around us this offseason and Donnie Walsh is making Rod Thorn look like a clown. They added A’mare (and say what you will about his potential for getting injured, the guy is a beast and fits perfectly in their system), they picked up a nice young player in Anthony Randolph in the Lee sign-and-trade (when they could have ended up loosing Lee for nothing) and look to be on the verge of signing Raymond Felton (who while not a world beater should (again) fit well in their system).
I’ve been telling all of my friends who are Knicks fans that our “core” was light years ahead of theirs….but now, the Knicks looks like a team that could be contending for the playoffs and (realistically) we look like we’re certainly headed for the lottery.
you're overreacting I think
names like Stoudemire and Felton don’t impress me, nor will they win anything in that system.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do you think is going to have a better record, Nets or Knicks?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
at this point
im really not sure. I think it depends on how much you think a lack of a coach and early injuries affected us last year.
Though I’m still waiting for them to bring in a pg back up.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Um...The Knicks were 17 games BETTER than the Nets last year.
You actually think that Amare and Felton aren’t going to add to that total?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Even if the Knicks are a .500 team...
…. next season, so what?
Felton isnt STEVE NASH....
He is Ray Felton. A guy who Larry Brown and the Bobcats didn’t put up a fight to keep But the same Bobcats who fought for Tyrus Thomas…. Has to be a reason why…
The NETS are coming!
Nets don't care about next season....
…other than putting a viable team/organization together for the 2012-13 season.
Even Ronnie Turiaf
Is a very solid back up PF/C, and a high character guy.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the off season is not over yet
just wait and see what the Nets do this off season . thers still options for us. you never know the nets might pull off a big trade or something. i say just be patient.
LOL, I think the Nets lit fire on Walsh's rear end
and now he’s scrambling, and working hard to sign overpaid free agents.
I kind of expected this, that if the Nets fail to sign LBJ, they will continue rebuilding with younger players to create a dynasty. Or at least collect serviceable players to be use as trade assets, and not overpay.
I can not wait for the new GM
We will probably start making some good moves once the new GM(hopefully Pritchard) gets here.
The rockets players had heart cause their coaches believe they could win. That’s what they’re there for, to hone skills guide and motivate.
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just realized that we were going to give Thomas 12 million dollars...
..this season.
Ummm…what is Rod trying to do?
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
I'd rather give him that
than what we gave Outlaw. Thomas is actually worth it.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And dump him after a year?
It’ll be a waste of picks, if we’re going to use one to acquire him.
It’ll be a very expensive rental.
is it expiring this year
or next? Cause if it’s this year we probably would
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
my thought process is that as much as we love kenyon, he’s not worth 16.5 mill a year. It looks like they are over the cap and thus Kenyon’s contract becomes even more expensive if they have to pay luxury tax. So i’d think we wouldn’t have to give much back.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm
Just an idea i thought i’d throw out there. But could be wishful thinking on my part especially if Denver sees it’self as a contender..
here we go...
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2010/07/nba_sets_higher_than_expected.html
Any team whose team salary exceeds that figure will pay a $1 tax for each $1 by which it exceeds $70.307 million.
So assuming that salary information from prior post is correct. They would be 4,669,074 over the cap with 11 plays. Assuming another 2 million to fill out the roster, then thats 6.7 million over the cap. So that means, trading Kenyons contract would actually save them 23 million.
Of course this would be a financial focused transaction for Denver… And not sure what kind of boat they are in.
Comments please!
Martin coming off another knee surgery...
… and is not expected to be ready in October.
http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_15472883?source=commented-
I’d be so ashame if the knicks have a better season than us 2 years in a row
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We have starters
Harris
clee
outlaw
favors
brook
let’s worry about getting a decent bckp pg and center and hold on to the cap space for next season. I hate settling signing anyone pf at this point is only gonna make fans settle for even less than our prospective starting 5. There’s no one out there that’s better than anyone we have unless we make a trade
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lets just hire Andrei Vatutin...
and let him bring in some Euroleague PF like Victor Khryapa (as NI mentioned), or another skilled Euroleague veteran that knows what hes doing. Its pretty clear they’r’e going to have to overpay for a marginal guy, and I’d rather take a chance on a guy without having to overspend. Bobby Marks can assist Vatutin with the numbers and intricacies of being a GM. Supposedly he’s got an eye for talent and i doubt there are too many guys that know European talent as well as him. Thank god we at least have Favors (even though i wanted Cousins), and hopefully he can develop fast and turn into a legit PF. These past few weeks have been a real let down, but we’re still not in a terrible position with cap space and young talent.
Vatutin is not coming
he has other commitments.
And we don’t need him if we really want Khryapa, we already have Proky. :)
Anyway, yeah, we really need to keep the cap space for flexibility. You don’t know who’ll be available by the trade deadline.
Man, what a relief!
I bet Thorn Can get Harrington (a proven scorer), and Khryapa (defensive player of the year in Euroland), for the same 12 mil they were gonna pay Stromile Jr.
Harrington is a proven chucker
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
We're Okay
I’m okay with striking out in free agency as long as we have FLEXIBILITY for next year. Stop Thorn before he makes things worse. He almost killed us by signing Tyrus Thomas. Hire Kevin Pritchard. We can add a lottery pick and still have money to potentially add Carmelo. We still have a nice core, we just can’t blow our future on someone like Tyrus Thomas. Outlaw was a bad enough signing.
ESPN says Walsh is NOT retiring. Anyway, it’s already been proven that Vecsey is a *******.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This is good news.
If Favors is going to be starting in 40 games or so per Avery Johnson to Dave D, then it made no sense to sign this guy up for 5 years. The fact that Michael Jordan did it reinforces my opinion. Haslem or Scola better.
The knicks are going to have a better starting lineup than us
Randolph
stat
gallo
chandler
felton
Lopez
hump
outlaw
lee
harris
We are a 20 win team if we are lucky. This is really bad right now.
But Scott Skiles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avery Johnson.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't think Hump can handle Amare?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
all we need is for him to "accidentally" bang knees with him once or twice
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Needless to say ...
Traditionally, newly signed free agents tend to lie low and don’t work as hard during contract year.
And usually, this is the time they have their surgeries taken care of.
Killa K how long have you been a Nets fan?? I have been a fan since 1988. I am sick and tired of this team being 2nd class citizens.
Hurts me to my soul.
They will be till they move to brooklyn. Its all about that now...
Calm down. Jersey did it. Jersey isn’t a basketball town Face it!
NBA Finals back to back years and couldn’t sell out then.
The NETS are coming!
Hump isn’t gonna start. They’d go small and start outlaw at the 4 before hump starts.
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Outlaw can't start at the 4 regularly
He’s like 210 lbs.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We just need one of the 3 stooges, poke Amare in the eye and his season is over. Harris i
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah he’s small but that’s what going “small” means
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And I disagree about the knicks having a better starting line up. On Amare is dominant at his possition. Harris is better than Felton. Clee and douglas is a push. Outlaw is a better defender and more athletic than gallo and oh yeah, the have no center unless Amare plays out of his postion the Anthony randolphe starts at the 4 and gets toss around lime a rag doll.
by Dfence on Jul 9, 2010 5:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Knicks were 17 games better last year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So “not having a coach” = 17 wins? And Travis Outlaw (who everyone is trashing) means more wins that having Amare and Felton?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
All Knick players must suck
Apparently this is a Net fan’s credo.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
kinda makes a difference when your young guys aren't game planning and making adjustments on their own at halftime
Also, if you have advance scouts on your staff
Man I'm not even from Jersey
I live in Houston and every time I say I’m a Nets fan people say how the heck and how that happen.
I love The Nets and the team. Yea I’m pissed and Yea I’m depressed.
Still I’m going to spend 178 dollars to buy nba league pass to watch every nets game.
The only reason I didn’t switch to Uverse they didn’t offer NBA League pass and Nets come first.
I will be wearing my Twill jersey or Brook jersey when they play houston like they do always in March.
So yea I’m pissed. Yea I’m depress but I gotta be honest the future is brighter than what it was six months ago.
GO NETS. I didn’t curse right there
Do google searches.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me specify, I wish there was a cheaper way that doesnt look like crap, doesnt skip, and is in HD, that is still free.
Best of luck
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in Sac
and when I told my officemates I’m a Nets fan, they bowed in disbelief. They maybe trying to control themselves not to laugh. But hey, the Kings still suck, so they know how it feels.
And they have nothing to say but admire my “fanship”. LOL.
Korver = 15 million dollar deal for the Bulls
20 mil cheaper than Outlaw… uhhhh
yes. But he is just a shooter.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
great for the Bulls though.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That means that the Bulls have 2/5th of a Jazz lineup.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember
We could have offered Korver the same deal.
Korver could have said NO I want more. We counter his bluff with signing Outlaw.
Outlaw is a better player. Korver is just a shooter.
CP3 and Okafor for D.Harris and T.Will
Probably not possible, but I would love to trade Devin Harris and Terrence Williams for Chris Paul and Emeka Okafor. CP3 for Devin Harris is a no-brainer, Okafor plays decent defence, rebounds and would be a great mentor and placeholder for Favors (and costs the same as they are talking about paying for Haslem). I LOVE Terrence Williams, but (i) I would rather trade him than Favors obviously and (ii) there may not be a place for him on this squad….he’s NOT a point guard and may not be a small forward in Avery’s system (not with D. James and Outlaw). Who knows if NO would even want him, but if we could pull off that trade, I think it would make up for the free agency fiasco.
really well thought out. I like it
Especially giving the Haslem vs. Okafor comparison.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing is okafur goes up to
The only thing is okafur goes all the way up to 14.5 in 13-14. Haslem won’t get that high And Paul is at almost 18 in the final year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Better (or more likely) might be a trade for Jefferson and Rubio.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
His knees are a legitimate
concern, but as I said last night I think cp3 would help a lot. But TWill was not involved, but if it saves our draft picks then it would be okay.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
i still love favors but Does anyone think the nets made a mistake to draft favors over Cousins
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
cousins might be the better player this year
3 years down the road, on the other hand…
by Taylor Bartle on Jul 9, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd have taken Cousins without thinking it twice
But we drafted Favors so why thinking about the past, I’m rooting for the kid right now
I was actually glad we got number #3 instead of #2
Because it would force us to take Favors. Not that I have anything against ET. But as I’ve been saying starting PFs are tough to come by.
Morozov or something like that
He supposedly is under contract for one more year and is raw. We’ll have to wait till next year.
I thought we weren't overspending...
Kyle Korver got 15M over 3 years! Wasn’t he supposed to be a comparable SF to Outlaw? I don’t think anything that the front office has claimed since the beginning of this off season has been legit.
Hakim Warrick got 4/18
there’s just no way to justify the Outlaw contract.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
From the star ledger
They had a few ways to go, but the Nets concluded that Mike Miller was asking for far too much (an $8-9 million average salary), recognized that character risk Josh Howard won’t be back until Christmas because of his ACL tear, and made the determination that Kyle Korver is too one-dimensional to throw a five-year contract.
Here’s what they have in the 6-9, 210-pound Outlaw: They get a guy who, when healthy, got the ball in crunch time for a 54-win team – and a guy who produced as one of the best fourth-quarter scorers in the NBA from 2007 to 2009.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Korver is too one-dimensional to throw a 5 year contract
which is probably why he didn’t sign for anything near that.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
My guess was that what he asked for from the Nets, and from Chicago were different things. Chicago is heading for Playoff basketball, and had just signed his team mate boozer.
He is still too one dimensional, even at 3 years.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a spot up shooter and nothing much more. A very good one, but not really what the Nets needed.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think a combo of gomes/warrick/
and korver and foye, would be more useful than Outlaw by himself. And would have cost about as much.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I think you get diminishing returns when you just try to fill in and don’t try for performance. Korver is good for a team that just needs a 20 min spot up waiting for a dish from someone like Rose. He would be liability on D and would not have an open shot for the Nets. Warrick is interesting, but frankly the upside for Outlaw is really much higher than for Warrick. He may become a worthy scorer.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Outlaw's...
younger, more athletic, and more versatile than both of those guys. The signing really isn’t terrible for a couple reasons:
1. Outlaw’s younger than both those guys.
2. Outlaw is a better defender than Korver.
3. He’s a better player than Warrick.
4. There’s still some nice upside there.
5. At worst he ends up a very valuable 6th or 7th man on a very good future Nets team.
Outlaws like 2 years younger
and has been in the league longer.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
N. Orleans paper, Paul growing distant to the Hornets
The realist senses that Paul is slipping further away from the Hornets – if he doesn’t already have one foot out the door and a roving eye.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think Paul will sign with the Heat next year, unless he ends up in a perfect situation.
Not being tongue-in-cheek, seriously, I think Paul will go the Heat. The four made a pact during the 2008 Olympics to play together during their NBA careers. When Paul becomes a FA next summer that dream will be realized. If and when that happens it will be the ultimate prisoners running the asylum moment in basketball history. When that happens Stern will have to intervene, when that happens we will see the death of professional basketball in America both figuratively and literally (the looming lockout).
A little over the top, I know, but my original statement still stands. I honestly believe that Paul will join that Heat team bewteen now and July 8th of 2011. It’s sad that basketball has come to this. I know I sound like a bitter fan that didn’t get a prize in the most talented free agent class in the history of sports, but I’m observing this from the perspective of an NBA fan. From the reality TV show that spurned from Wade and Bosh’s “decision” to LeBron referring to himself as “The King” and announcing he would “take his talents to South Beach” to Pat Riley’s greasy mug plastered on the front of this debacle. It’s a sad day in sports and when Paul joins the The Nazgul it will mark the new guard. Despicable.
Paul isn't an fa
so I don’t see how he signs with them…
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He doesn’t.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Depressed!
We just can’t start the season with Favors and HUMPH playing next to Brook.
Paul from Delray Beach
This Hurts....
We Said Lebron or bust. And we’re really taking the turn for the wrong. Nets fans be strong. Its gonna be a hard one. But i believe!
Its NETS or NOTHING
by Montize Thomas Goode on Jul 9, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
Possible
All FAs fear Russian boss’s unknown background
Haslem's numbers at C and PF are comparible
Player 48-Minute Production by Position Position
Himself
PF
14.5 .489 3.9 28% 14.0 1.2 1.6 .5 3.6 17.2 16.6
C
11.2 .522 5.7 36% 13.3 .7 2.1 .7 4.9 16.1 17.0
Opponent:
PF
15.2 .486 4.6 37% 10.1 2.4 2.3 1.1 5.0 18.4 15.2
C
12.5 .505 6.0 59% 12.4 2.1 3.9 1.6 6.0 16.9 15.0
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Watching the Lakers summer league
And Caracter who is 6’ 9" and 270 moves very fluidly and has good post game probably won’t make the roster. Maybe he would be someone worth looking at. At one time he as great a HS star as Favors.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
the lakers are master drafters
I think bb prospectus, or it might have been 82 games, did a study on the most production from their draft picks relative to their draft slots. And the Lakers were first by a margin about as large as like the difference between the second team and the tenth.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I had not ever heard that
Their top draft picks very seldom seem to make the team, it seems
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
well the study was from 89-2008
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Oh I believe you. Considering that they drafted both Kobe and Fish in the same draft there is definitely something there.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
here
is the article they also count players who ended up playing for other teams, like in the lakers case marc gasol.
i think more than anything it’s proof of how much fail there is in the NBA draft, not bad drafting as much as years of drafts in a row where only like 4 or 5 decent players in all.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
pretty cool. thanks for that Gina.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That must be where Jerry West got his rep for being a master talent evaluator (besides finding Kobe in the cradle). He was with the Lakers til 2002.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he also got Marc Gasol and Critteron for Gasol
brilliant!
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I’m not sure that was him.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah Memphis's gm probably forced it
he’s insane. He won’t pay Gasol, but he’ll pay Zach Randolph just as much.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Who knew that Pau’s brother was going to be so good?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
err i meant Memphis's owner
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
yeah, it looks like Jerry retired July 2007, Gasol traded Feb 2008. At least from a quick google.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be happy .....
with Harrington , Powe or Craig Smith…..Although I’d really be happy with favors starting and getting alot of playing time and Humph coming off the bench…Can’t Boone play PF…….And what happened to HASSELL ?
PF i ain't worried about
at least we have 2 bodies there we have nothing behind Lopez.
Good
I’m glad we aren’t comitting those kind of dollars to TT. Favours will be our guy in a year or two anyway. And I wouldn’t be crazy at TT for less than that. Signing him would have been a mistake.
Don't know why I didn't think about it for PF
But how about Josh Powell for PF and back up C. He made only 1 mill last year and has multiple years on a Championship team. There are strong rumors the Lakers won’t resign him because he wants a pay raise. He’s 6’9" and very tough minded.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think the Lakers might re-sign him just because he is Kobe’s best friend on the team, but I do like Powell
That’s the debate. The Lakers are in serious budget cutting mode. They are maybe even not resigning Fisher (if Fish doesn’t accept their pay cut). It is either Powell or Caracter. Powell has been a good soldier, but now he wants a raise.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
NBAtv made a really good point, because of the CBA coming up next year, most of these near minimum guys are really pressing for some money because they see it as their last chance for a chunk. This is the wrong year for the Heat to be looking for minimum contract guys. Powell is one of these near minimum guys.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Unbelievable
NBAtv breaks into the Laker Detroit summer league game to show the Heat introducing Lebron “the betrayer” James and two other guys.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
NBA TV LIVE
Wade, Bosh, Lebron in their Heat Uniform at the arena gettng introduced to a sold out crowd.
If you squint hard enough you’ll begin to see Scottie Pippen in a Bulls uni.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Harrington & Khryapa..
Then try to swing Humphries to Indy for Brandon Rush..
Then they have their shooter..
Btw, Al IS a chucker..
But where are the points gonna come from?
He can drop thirty on any given night..
Who’s gonna score when Devo inevitably gets hurt?
Also I think they need to be three deep at the 4, since Favors is gonna be a fouling machine this season..
look at Dwight Howard, he’s a superstar, and has trouble staying on the floor..
SAD
THIS IS SAD
Few days ago the Nets were 32 million under the cap thinking LeBron, CP3, Boozer, David Lee, etc.
Now the Nets can’t even get a chump like Tyrus Thomas to take their money.
The only guy who was willing to take their money is a hospital patient who must have viewed 5/35M as manna from heaven.
SAD
:- (
Question
Do you think Indiana would now do Devin and Courtney for Granger now that they have Paul george and other wings?
Then trade Hump, Outlaw, GS pick, other picks for CP3
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
i wouldn't do it
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I think
we are stuck with Outlaw unless he show something.
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I think Granger isn't that great
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
he's
never played with a real point guard. Pair him up with Chris Paul and a legit C in Lopez and you’ve got something. Plus after what we saw today from Derrick we might have hit the lotto (pun intended).
Lineup:
Chris Paul / Jordan Farmar or Ridnour
Terrence Williams / Quniton Ross
Danny Granger / Damion James
Derrick Favors / someone
Brook Lopez / Zoubek / someone
That, my friends, is arguably the third best team in the eastern conference behind Miami and Orlando. Definitely better than the AARP Celtics.
GET ’ER DONE ROD come on only 5 days left
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That my friends
will never happen
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
thanks
for the support. lol.
Rod can make it happen
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Rod can't make much of anything happen these days
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Been following this team long enough
and posting on this board long enough to realize how to manage expectations
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Granger isn't that great IMO
I’d rather have Harris and Lee. I think Granger is basically Harris without Harris’s passing skills.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
but granger
can shoot the lights out
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The CP3 part:
Thats a lot to give up and I am not saying he isn’t worth it but, isn’t cp3 only signed through this year or next year at the most?? Thats a lot to give up, I mentioned this before but I am not sure when hes signed to
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Chris Paul
$14,940,152
$16,359,805
$17,779,457
The last year is a player’s option
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow
so he could easily opt out
yeah that might make me relucant
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You would have him for two years
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are giving up what above
they would want all our picks for two years, then what ?? I don’t know how this works in the NBA but I would want language in the trade if he opts out and we can’t resign him I want picks back which they would not do I don’t think so…
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he has a good point about the cba change though
we’d have to really suck for him to walk away from 17 million.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I think its driving Paul crazy to see all his buds strike it rich before the CBA change, and to see his own team lost in salary cap, cheap owner hell.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
right
so we could sign him to an extension now if he wants
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is a reasonable thing. You would just have to convince him that the team is championship level in ambition.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
wel hey
if Favors blossoms, and we got brook, add Paul to them, D james looks good spliting time with outlaw, thats a pretty good young team IMO thats a playoff team real soon if not this year. A good point guard changes so much imo
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I’ll tell you, if you had a healthy Paul the entire team changes. And even Favors changes. Paul turned Tyson Chandler into a dunk machine. Paul would do wonders for Favor’s confidence. Favors, perhaps more than any other reason, is a reason to get Paul
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I FREAKING LIKE IT
Get Rod on the phone lets tell him how to pull this off. LOL
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It will be freaking hard to do. Dallas has been pressing for Paul all summer, offering all kinds of cap relief, the Dampier chip and the Butler contract. And N.O. won’t budge, as least so far. But maybe Paul is pushing back.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Then we don’t have much to offer them unless they want picks.
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well
that wouldn’t be bad for us because we have about 4,313 picks over the next 3 years. But seriously if they want to save money give them a huge trade exception, Lee, Humphries, Ross, and 3 picks
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
give them our 5 2012 picks+TE for him (CP3)+Okafor
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
no to okafor
although we might have to do that to get CP3.
What if there were somehow a 3 way deal between us, indiana, and new orleans.
Nets Get:
CP3, Granger
New Orleans Gets:
_
Indiana Gets:
______
Fill in those blanks for me
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
hey could we trade for him and extend him before the last year of the deal
before the CBA changes???? then to get paid we could lock him up
Since the face been revealed the game got real
it could work, but there is a danger too. The CBA might bring a change to the luxury tax that would make it very expensive to go over. If Prok’s money is where his mouth is, no big deal. But if its not, well….
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
O sorry kv
you just the same thing about extending him b4 the cba change 2 mins b4 me I didn’t realize what you were saying until I read it a second time.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Yeah I see what you mean. Well if in theory we signed and extended Paul, wih all the rookie contracts Outlaw would be the second highest paid player on the team with Harris going the other way in the trade. What does C Lee make?? then just got to lock brook up in 3 years I think.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Lee makes 1.3
Here is where you look up salaries.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to see what the CBA looks like after 2011
17 mill with everyone having a hard cap, who knows.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
O so your saying that last year for 17 mil would look real good.. good point
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Its hard to tell. But salaries probably aren’t going to rise.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LEBRON JAMES
Most hated player in the NBA now?
YAY or NAY
I say absolutely, that show was a debacle and his choosing the Heat with Wade and Bosh was the epitomie of cowardice, trying to win a championship without having to earn it, essentially looking for a sure thing
I think he’s probably the most despised player in the NBA now .. by a lot
What say you?
Well they love him in Miami
but yeah I hate him for now anyway. Not because he left Cleveland, or didn’t come here, for the way he handled this process. He refers to himself in 3rd person, and I got rules for that. You must be 7 foot tall and over 315 pounds I got no problem when Shaq calls himself Shaq lol. I think a lot of people will remember this for along time and will hurt his “brand” which is more important then wins or anything else. I am sure when time passes people will let it go.
.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Lebron James got moves Lebron James ain't even seen yet
“You see the ball is like a one man cold to Clifford Franklin, Clifford Franklin the only one catchin it, Clifford Franlin the only one coming down wit it.”
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
Its been a long time since I could say that I hated a player in the league.
I mean some of the floppers bother me, and Ewing really bothered me. But Lebron, yeah, there is no one in the league who I want to fail more, like a baseball hatred, more than a basketball one.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah im not sure I hate him
I kind of think he’s pathetic, and a little sad.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Very sad.
I remember the grin that snuck across his face for a brief second when he was asked how long this decision of all of the 3 to go to Miami was brewing. I knew right then he had decided a while ago. He just played everyone like a fiddle, already knowing where he was going. Very, very poor taste.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
not only that
He used his MOM as his excuse.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
delonte was probably pissed
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Not only that
Of the 6 mill raised for the Boys and Girls club on the TV show only 2.5 mill went to them.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
lol did they say where the rest went?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Nobody knows.
it was only the “proceeds” that went. 6 mill was raised and ESPN “donated” the airtime. Only 2.5 went to the charity.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
IS
that a joke people wee saying, hey don’t knock him its for charity Ok I hate him twice as much if this is true
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I linked the stories below. No one seems to be putting the two figures together.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
The “university” that donated the 5 scholarships to kids is one of the great rip-off universities in the United States. 60 minutes did a whole piece on them. The University of Phoenix is basically a university Corporation run for profit that runs a scam on the Federal government loan program.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah they are crap my girl was telling me about it last year….
Since the face been revealed the game got real
evil. They just “buy” the name of a failing university, and then get all kinds of people to apply for federal loans to join their school and sink endless youth into debt they cannot afford, all the while the University of Phoenix gets rich off of the Federal Loans.
That Lebron was associated with them for “charity” and that most of the money did not go to charity fits perfectly.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
probably his “agency” filled with his friends. Pretty quick way to make 3.5 mill.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If
this was about the money under the cover of charity OMG wow people already think it was ego and promotional driven. If it comes out like we are talking about it people will boycott him and his products.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Honestly I wish SB nation would do a post on it.
Its embarrassing and really shameful.
Corporations do it all the time though, any time you hear “proceeds” you then have to look at all the people who got paid a “salary” in the deal.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
o yeah
I def agree but he is trying to pass as a philanthropist and when asked he says for the kids . Later to find out they get less then half the money, this isn’t like keeping operating costs, if you got this right this is a big big deal IMO
Since the face been revealed the game got real
All I know is that I put the two figures together. I googled around a bit an nobody is really talking about it.
I agree, its a huge story, and if anyone ran with it it would get huge coverage due to the discontent with Lebron right now.
It would be hard to trace down the 3.5 mil though, nobody wants to admit to that.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
hey tell lupojohn he says he knows reporters or colomists
Since the face been revealed the game got real
a columist would really be the right
venue for this story. But they would have to be able to check it out.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I don't know lupojohn.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Honestly is sounds like the kind of scheme
someone cooked up, in this case James’ business partner, Maverick Carter. It probably went something like this.
How do you make 3.5 million dollars in 24 hrs?
Well, you do a “show” for something you would never have done a show for, and then sell 6 million in advertising, and give some of it to charity.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Here are the stories.
Don’t know why the media hasn’t made a big deal about it:
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN
cause they must make money of him to keep him happy or quiet, although a lot of espn people made it clear “We made no money” instead of “It all went to charity” hmmmm. Maybe they just don’t want to break the story but are mad about it.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I’m sure it was part of their deal. They made money on the ratings before and after.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
We
Need to get rubio….That could turn this around in a heartbeat…would he play for us?
He
Could be our make up for not getting wall…And we would still have favors who was awesome today
by Kevin Growney on Jul 9, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i as going to say I don't know how we get him here
kidnapp him
Since the face been revealed the game got real
draft picks?
humphries? i hear they’re trying to collect pf’s now.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Sounds like the Heat are having problems signing Miller and are going after Fisher
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
let them keep Jefferson
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
David West + Peja
Then we can forget the Chris Paul pipe dream and help the Hornets land him a new sidekick.
let them keep peja
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Is it safe to say
Were going to make at least 1 trade this offseason?…or are we just gonna be stupid?
what
he’s basically the european wall. he’s going to be really good.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He doesn't have Wall's athleticism
But he’s more of a pure point. You can say he is Steve Nash while Devin Harris is Stephon Marbury.
He's Steve Nash in a 6' 4" Body.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
you can't compare Wall and Rubio
other than to say that anyone would want to play with either one. That is the mark of a great point.
The Heat may be having trouble signing Miller, would you sign him?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I think that price is a Heat only price, he will want more to come here IMO
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I know the Knicks were pursuing Miller big time before the Heat offer.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, maybe. But he doesn’t like the Heat offer either.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
how much would you pay?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Instead of calling him "the King", they should now call him "the Sidekick"
Every opposing team’s fans should chant “Sidekick” everytime he gets the ball and chant “MVP” when Wade gets the ball. Think that will piss him off??
by imdkidd on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I was watching syfy
but for some reason the channel was change to ESPNN
by jasperjarrod on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, but Avery, Sam, and Popeye are amazing.
They made the Nets dominate Summer League this summer with some scrubs… We even couldn’t win a summer game under Frank.
So lets ask This
Who is gonn abe at the rock to boo the three girls? i know im going
This I like ALOT
GState’s Anthony Morrow has agreed to a 3-year offer sheet worth approximately $12 million with New Jersey, a league source tells Y!
Hopefully GS doesnt match…..Finally some outside shooting on a consistant basis
I like this move alot
Kid is young, and averaged 13ppg in 29min last year shooting 45% from 3 pt land. Excellent signing.
they might not
they’re apparently trying to shed salary every way possible
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Woj
GState’s Anthony Morrow has agreed to a 3-year offer sheet worth approximately $12 million with New Jersey, a league source tells Y! 5 minutes ago via web
theyll match
no way they don’t match 4 mil a yr
woj says they are not expected to match
“With the franchise in financial flux because of an impending sale and having just committed $80 million to forward David Lee(notes), the Warriors aren’t expected to spend to keep Morrow.”
Yeah, Anthony Morrow!!!
It’s going to be a raining 3s next season!
they're trying to shed salary for the sale
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
+1
That’s nothing. and they need players since they traded 3 for David Lee
Marrow for 12$ million is a steal...
a week for golden state to match?
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I loved the Kerry the cat Kittles,
and I loved how he ran the floor, but if you want pure, I’ll happily take morrow’s stroke.
Since the j-kidd days...
I think the last shooter we had was Lucious Harris.
Petrovic was actually the last PURE shooter.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 9, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Outlaw
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
but does this mean twill is a back up PG
i would think so…
he was used as a pg in summer league
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I think
Not starting Twill isnt a knock on him. I think AJ notices how versatile he is, potential to be 6th man of the year
ok
this makes no sense. i LOVE morrow. But now we have Lee, Morrow, TWill, Outlaw, Ross.
a- we still need a backup PG
b- we should package CLee and Devin now for Granger
c- Outlaw and hump, gs pick for CP3
DO IT ROD
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
twill will be our back up pg
he needs to reduce the turnover though
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Collective Bargaining Agreement
I believe you can’t trade a player you just signed for a few months (forgot the exact number). The only way you can do that right away is if you originally agreed to a sign and trade.
The Golden State Warriors aren’t expected to match the offer, a league source said. Morrow has to take a physical Monday before he can sign the offer sheet. The Warriors will then have seven days to decide to match.
With the franchise in financial flux because of an impending sale and having just committed $80 million to forward David Lee(notes), the Warriors aren’t expected to spend to keep Morrow.
I vote to go for Scola for 3-4 year deal at 10-12 million per with the maximum front loading.
Scola is the only PF left who would give Nets chance for playoffs. He would have comparable impact as David Lee and would be cheaper, do to his age. How much extra is it worth to make the playoffs? Probably a lot to Proky, as he promised the playoffs.
Nets would have at least 14 million in cap space to work with during the promised 8 day wait, in case they wanted to sign someone like Farmar (although I would consider Dooling if his price is low enough.
Any current word on Dooing’s hip? If not fully healed, noone may tough him.
do we really want to be in the playoffs?
do we really want to be first round fodder? i’d rather we develop our young guys, miss the playoffs, and have our lottery pick
Depth Chart
Harris / Uzoh
Lee / Williams / Morrow
James / Outlaw / Ross
Favors / Humphries
Lopez / Zoubek
Proposed trades:
- Harris for Granger
- Lee, Hump, GS Pick, Ross for Chris Paul
- Sign Jordan Farmar or Luke Ridnour
- Sign a better backup Center.
Can you say 4th seed? I can!
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
Time for twill to adapt fast!
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
yeah
had to come up with something though
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
and yeah they would
if they knew CP3 is on the way
by corky_romano4life on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice 3-4 year bid for Scola should be priority.
He was my 2nd choice to DLee and could be for less years.
Would Houston match a 50 million offer over 4 years for Scola, with around 18 million due on signing?
If yes, then no loss.
Nets could still sign Farmar and work up proposal during that 8 day wait that Houston promised – probably a Big Bluff about making Nets wait 8 days.
That is the advantage of having 25.5 million in cap space.
Only problem is that Marks might have to become acting GM unless Thorn stayed on longer – I really don’t trust Rod to do the right thing as time is running out on his career.
Ah, so Outlaw is our starting Small Forward. Ah, he’s only keeping the seat warm for………well…………………………………till we get to Brooklyn.
In other news, I noticed that the Amway Center in Orlando is still under construction according to the announcer, even though it is less than 4 months before opening.
We have been told that Barclays has to be “finished” in 2 years from now and pass inspections from NBA.
Apparently that is not entirely true. You can see lots of scaffolding on the exterior still. I’m sure the NBA will let it open on time.
Have there been any stories about The Amway Center being approved to open for regular season?
Hopefully same would be true of Barclays.
Perhaps this is a good time for an update from Barclays because the Basketball News has been a Disaster except for TWill and 1st round picks.
Maybe Barclays won’t be much better news or we would have heard something already?
They poured concrete for the foundations a week ago
…did you miss that?
twill will be our "point guard"
at least handle the ball
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
TWill has a long way to go
His legs flail when he shoots which means he is not going to be consistent at this stage of his career, he still insists on dribbling to the sideline, then loosing his balance, trying to throw cross court passes way too often. They usually result in 2 the other way.
He is a major talent that Avery will work to get right.
yea bad shot selection and a freaking turn over machine
but if he acts right and we don’t trade for a pg I could maybe see him there one day???? he has skill
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Just watched some youtube vids of Morrow
Kid is a SHARPSHOOTER..i look forward to him coming off the bench and giving us a true 3 pt. threat..although I loved Najera in that role….
Haslem i was reading is going back to heat so my next choice should be scola
If we come out of this offseason with Favors,KingJames,Outlaw,Scola,Morrow,Farmer,a backup center i believe its went from terrible offseason to amazing offseason
Harris/Farmer
Lee/Williams/Morrow
Outlaw/KingJames
Scola/Favors/Humps
Lopez/Whoever
all those nets fans who said were going to win 20 gms and get the 1st pick again your going to tell me we cant compete for a playoff spot in the east ?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
Yes to Scola. He is best pick after DLee.
Houston almost made playoffs, in part due to Scola.
With Scola, Nets could make playoffs.
Now they give us credit
So, I happened to see that over the top lovefest in South Beach, and they kicked it back to the studio, and the commentators(Mike Yam, Cara Walsh), one of them said ‘’You think if LeBron signed with New Jersey, the music would be better?’‘, and the other one said, ’’Yeah, Jay-Z’’. How strangely ironic. On a night for Miami, ESPN finally gives us some love.
Nets are having themselves a great offsense so far
who agrees?
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
We could use another low post scorer/rebounder
We’re an injury to Lopez away from being a perimeter-oriented team. Need to balance the offense.
by imdkidd on Jul 9, 2010 11:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
most teams don't have one decent low post scorer
we’re gonna be alright
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Trade C Lee back to Orlando
For Ryan Anderson . Makes sense for both teams if morrow is signed.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 9, 2010 11:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's time to bring Swat back
and pay him by the minute. TWill should have a nick-name “everything but”. He’s got to learn to finish and make a higher % of good plays. Great to see Favors play well. I was begining to wonder. Can’t wait for LeBron to lose to the best defensive front court, it’s just a matter of who’s got it, b/c he sure does’t unless Venardo turns out better than I thought.
I would just like to see
D. Favors snarl JUST ONCE !!! This kid has all the tools. He needs an edge to his game . He seems like such a happy go lucky kid.
Maybe we dont need a back up PG?
twill as the sixth man…can just play
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
do you understand the term "restricted free agent"
golden state has a week to match, which they will.
they arent expected to
but they very well could
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
In other news, I didn't see any story about Walsh possibly retiring, which would impact Nets because Kevin Pritchard could be unavailable.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/walsh_legoner_TjAGAVCCQBtBSGHYhxfkSN
Peter Vecsey was at it again with probably false story this morning. Walsh denied the story and his health condition.
However, I would hope Nets would move fast to interview Pritchard.
Proky could always pay high. The problem with search for President of Basketball Operations is that after Thorn leaves, it would be Bobby Marks conducting the search, where he would himself be the “inside” candidate.
lol
morrow and outlaw and people are excited. The Nets are a 30 win team right now. Blueprint for greatness!
morrow is an awesome young piece
i don’t see the problem.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
im excited...
and nets arent done
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I watch a lot of college basketball, and by a lot, I mean a ton, and Varnardo will help them defensively, but he has no offensive game.
Do they need offense? He gives them interior D and he can finish. ROY
You heard it here first.
I’m not excited, but at least we don’t just recklessly throw money to players that don’t deserve it.
LUPO
didnt you say you knew a reporter or something???
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Newsflash
my sources claim that lupo is actually Ian Eagle
by corky_romano4life on Jul 10, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
hey follow my new post give me a second let me find it , I got to scroll up
Since the face been revealed the game got real
hmm...
i like the idea of having real shooters.
Granger, Morrow = killa.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 10, 2010 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
because
I think the Nets should go after him hard with Devin as bait they want a PG and then we get CP3 with another trade, as I mentioned previously.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 10, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
kv
he just answered me right above this I put the link here I don’t know how to shorten it up like you did but he hasn’t posted back yet
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Thanks.
I would like to get to the bottom of this. At least from this distance 6 million minus 2.5 million makes 3.5 million.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
yeah if he
doesn’t answer back then I will book mark it and ask him next time he is on… he hasn’t posted back in lie 10min so idk whats up yet.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
BL3ACH
When many people post comments all at once, my computer goes haywire. Actually, it freezes. I always ask eople to slow down, but no one listens. That is why I am slow with my responses. The links work and open fine. The responses? Not so
ok then you talk to kv
about this, he came on to this , Kv explain whats going on to lupo I will brb
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