Prokhorov: "Goals Remain Intact"
by Net Income on Jul 8, 2010 9:42 PM EDT
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Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov released a statement shortly after LeBron James announced his decision to join the Miami Heat.
"We have a vision of a championship team and need to invest wisely and for the long term," Prokhorov said. "Fortunately, we have more than one plan to reach success, and, as I have found in all areas of my business, that is key to achieving it. To Nets fans past, present and future, the goal of making the playoffs this season remains intact and we reiterate our commitment to winning a championship within five years."
Avery Johnson also remains positive. "But we swung for the fences," he said. "Right now we haven’t hit a home run. So what’s next best thing? That’s what we’re focusing on." Speaking of swinging for the fences, Dave D'Alessandro reports the Nets and Bobcats may get into a "bidding war" for Tyrus Thomas, with the first bid at around $7 million a year.
- Johnson 'not discouraged one bit' as team misses out on LeBron James, other free agents - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- With LeBron James gone to Miami, what will Nets do now? - Dave D'Alessandro - Nets Blast
- Balance of power in NBA shifts to Miami as James joins Wade, Bosh - Dave D'Alessandro - Star-Ledger
- LeBron James is big loser in free agency drama, and Nets are right there with him - Steve Politi - Star-Ledger
- Nets deal with free-agent freeze out - Fred Kerber - New York Post
- Nets lose another one - LeBron heading to Miami - Tom Canavan - AP
- N.B.A.’s Season of Suspense Ends as James Chooses Heat - Howard Beck - New York Times
- Metro Area Doesn't Get James; Nets Shut Out - Al Iannazzone - The Nets Insider
- James Picks Heat; Gilbert Buries LeBron - Al Iannazzone - In the 'Zzone
- With LeBron's move decided, powers of East take shape - Jeff Zillgitt & J. Michael Falgoust - USA Today
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No way, we still want to make the playoffs? Too bad we didn’t make any moves to actually help that come true… Still holding out hope for a trade for an Al Jefferson or something like that
by J-Kay on Jul 8, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
***Beasley to the T-wolves for a second Round Pick
The suddenly have lots of PF’s there. I personally woulda taken Beasley off thier hands for “free”. Maybe things will click for him around less ego(Wade)
The NETS are coming!
Newest goal for Proky
“Next year we plan to win… NBA lottery”
by yankeesnets on Jul 8, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Three of the Eastern Conferences's best players are all on one team now.
What’s the rest of the conference look like?
Is He Serious
I still think he is/will be a great owner but for the next 3-5 years the NBA is gonna be M.I.A.
Love to hear from Proky
I still believe. He’s committed.
At least he is optimistic. Proky get a damn Gm and David Lee in here!!!!
by power_njerz on Jul 8, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and some scouts
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
okay lets regroup:
okay what the heck is happening with this team
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Ok
The Nets did everything they could to get Lebron and we failed, like 5 other teams. What do you want Prokhy to say, that we’re screwed and have no hope for light at the end of the tunnel. Does it hurt to not get Lebron? Yes. But the funny thing is, the same people who knew that Lebron wouldn’t come yesterday are now upset that he didn’t come. It was a longshot for Lebron to come from Day 1. Our future is still bright; instead of fighting for the title next year, we’re playing the development game just like OKC and Por. Relax everyone, relax.
by twill5 on Jul 8, 2010 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i want him to not say we're going to invest wisely
while 1. chasing mediocre gms and 2. ALLOWING TRAVIS OUTLAW TO BE SIGNED.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 8, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not digging the Outlaw move?
But, but, but, the five year plan… Rebuilding… Small moves… All that!
Man, I told you guys last night that “Proky” is just Russian for “Ratner.”
the outlaw move makes me want to punch a baby in the throatr
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Shoulda signed Lee or Boozer...
Even without LeBron
Harris, CLee, Twill, DLee, Lopez gets the playoffs.
Junk like Outlaw or Thomas or Korver reminds me of the Ratner crap (Mercer, E-Williams, Bufford) the Nets brought in after letting K-Mart go.
But hey at least Outlaw is signed for five years. That means he gets to be part part of the 2015 NBA championship team!
WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Travis Outlaw is WAY BETTER than Eric Williams.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a servicable starting SF that can turn into a good piece of the bench.
He will play hard for Avery.
The Nets could have done a lot worse.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
we could have done better
he’s barely serviceable.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Brewer and Gomes are better
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Josh Childress too
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You are splitting hairs amongst that group.
No real difference either way. They are all the same guy.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
um the first three at about a 48-50% clip
Outlaw peaked at 45%.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Burn!
Gomes just signed for 3/12
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
based on what?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No doubt Gina...
A 5 Year commitment at a overpid rate is the stuff that bad teams are made of.
Outlaw is a better offensive player than Gomes, Brewer, Barnes or Childress. All of the above are good tough minded team oriented bench guys who play D. Barnes can shoot some. So I like all of them.
Outlaw is better on O though, particularly from the perimeter, which is what the Nets needed. The percentage is decieving because he is a chucker to a degree.
From a FA point of view for the SF position at this time – likely the best they can do. But they should have just rimmed it down a bit. This guy is here for a long long time and overpiad a bit. I hope it won"t negatively affect getting really good players.
the money doesn't bother me
as much as the years.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I want him to say he is selling the team
to people committed to keeping the team in New Jersey and that actually care about basketball – not a real estate scam in Brooklyn.
New Jersey is a losing local for an NBA franchise.
Your blind if you cannot see that.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad to hear this
but so sad right now.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
save the rest of the cap room for 2020!!!
For another Epic Free Agency Failure.
that’ll be the next chance anyone else has to win in the NBA
Harris
Lee/TWill
Outlaw/James
Scola/Favors
Lopez
That team would be in the fight for a playoff birth
why not?
If we could manage to nab Scola, who is a more natural fit next to Lopez, we will be competitive every night. Avery Johnson will coach the hell out of this team, so the young guys will give us a nice second unit. Outlaw is a solid player (overpaid about 10 million tho – we can take the hit with our massive cap space), people need to relax and be patient with our rebuilding
This Makes me feel better -_-
I dont know what to do or think. We had our sights set so what can proky possibly do to bring us happiness. Thorn’s let us down. Avery seems to be a bust by repeating the same facts about Devin and Brook. Proky’s tryna slick talk us. Man show us some talent !!!
Its NETS or NOTHING
by Montize Thomas Goode on Jul 8, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
need to invest wisely
so we turn around and overpay bench warmers like outlaw.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
+1000000000000000000000000000
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
we struck out because we didn’t overpay and now we are overpaying because we struck out?
by ddyyzz on Jul 8, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
lol pretty much
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Bold statement.
What is this backup plan he is talking about? Sign Lee and trade for CP3? Because that’s like one of the few thing they can do to even be a playoff team and a winner in 5 years.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
The east just go more top heavy.
And the big move we made? is having a real head coach. That changes everything compared to last year.
Best FA signing for the Nets now
is a GM.
Get it done Proky.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and we've been chasing
the most mediocre available
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
but Thorn is apparently unimpressed with him
but impressed with Bowers and Dumar???
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
This time next week Thorn will be gone.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
but he's being allowed to chose his successor
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
He is recommending a successor I believe.
After this debacle, hopefully Proky says thanks but no thanks.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
God willing
but if not Thorn who else has knowledge about NBA gms on their staff? most of his staff seemed to be business people not NBA people. it seemed like he was leaning on Thorn for most basketball decisions.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
thorns trolling
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
As a Blazers fan
Get Pritchard. In KP we trust.
Short but to the point.
I still have faith in this guy. With this team’s current setup, there is simply no chance we will make the playoffs. And is that what we really want right now anyway? I said it back in early June; I would rather this team tank for another year and land one more lottery pick. At this point, see who’s available in free agency next year and make our moves to be title contenders then. Adding a bunch of scrubs for overpaid contracts will not do it. Building a core of youth with top lottery picks in time for the move to Brooklyn is our best move, especially with so many heads being moved in the NBA.
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
I would rather them tank
but trying to sign Boozer and overpaying outlaw and guys like Tyrus Thomas makes it sound more like they’re going to send us back to being a 40 win mid lottery team.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I can’t disagree with that sentiment. The last thing I want is for us to be stuck in limbo like we have been throughout the mid 2000’s with a team that wasn’t good enough to get past the second round of the playoffs, but wasn’t bad enough to get an actually decent lottery pick. Our best bet is to follow the trend of a team like the Thunder, which took several years of playing awful before they built up a team that could give the NBA Champion Lakers a run for their money. They are bursting at the seams with young talent, all hand picked from the draft. Landing a super team like Miami is a dream, not the norm. I’m betting we either make a drastic move for Paul, or we tank.
"We aim above the mark to hit the mark." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
yeah I agree thats our best move
but every report makes it seem pretty obvious it’s not their plan. They tried to sign Boozer, and they’re trying to sign guys like Korver and Thomas/Scola now.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And they apparently intend on spending
22 million of the 32 million in cap space.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
After Favors and James sign
Nexts should have about 12 million more to spend.
Sounds like two more players.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He tried to sign LeBron,
but he failed. Just don’t give out bad contracts to people like Outlaw anymore OK?
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
Did he?
or did he just do what he said he would do and let the basketball people make the decisions. Dont blame him for that.
by Duo on Jul 8, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
except we have no gm
and according to Net Income a few weeks ago our top scouts contracts all expired…so who exactly are these basketball people that are making the decisions?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Folks...don't forget all those draft picks are assets for trades. I don't think the Nets are done
by MJa on Jul 8, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yep we'll trade for Danny Granger and Jefferson
and officially be the most nightmarish team imaginable
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
don't say that Gina
Thprn might hear you and do it
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Thorn*
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
could be
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
At least Outlaw can hit a jumper guard multiple positions and get out on the brak
We did not overpay for a one dimensional guy like Korver
by Atronic on Jul 8, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just go out and prove it Prok
We’re tired of hearing talk.
1) Get us a solid GM
2) Get us a legit PF
3) Spend wisely by not overspending on clowns like Tyrus Thomas
doesn’t matter that we didn’t get lebron, bosh, wade, boozer, or any of those other FAs. The Nets are better today than they were a season ago, and I’m still excited about our future. Nets fans are some of the most resilient fans out there so lets keep our heads up guys.
Besides, I think its kind of cool that we don’t need a “savior” to bring our franchise back. We’re going to do it piece by piece…which is the way I would have preferred to have done it
by calvinbw on Jul 8, 2010 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We don't need Lebron
I just dont wanna Suck anymore. And quite frankly We have no place else to go but up.
Go Nets!!!
No it was not....
We are still competing for NY Fans…..
It was a great idea.
At least it was funny. And the knicks will still be bad next year. You think stoudemire is that big an upgrade from Lee? We can steal fans.
by Duo on Jul 8, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, not really since the Knicks got squat too
It would’ve been bad if LeBron went to the Knicks
That was a great idea
The billboard didn’t automatically mean they were getting LeBron
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
I'm convinced, there's NO WAY Thorn's legacy ends like this
I see CP3 or Melo in our future
I still think we will be a good team I still believe in proky I love the nets start five harris Williams outlaw favors lopez
by daddyray80 on Jul 8, 2010 9:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That sucks.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Ok here r my questions
1- How is this a playoff team right now?
2 – What are our other plans, now that a 20-10 stud is gone in Lee
3 – Why even watch the NBA anymore with 2 good teams in the East?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
Uhm
1. It’s not.
2. I’d love to know. I’d love to see how Proky thinks in a few months the nets can be a playoff team.
3. Well for me it’s to watch the damn Celtics fail miserably.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
David Lee a Stud???
ONE 20-10 Season isnt worth 80 million. Stop with all the D-Lee stuff. He has gotten better but he is a jump shooter now not a post guy. He would have been nice. But not an 80 million dollar guy.
The NETS are coming!
C'Mon.....
I’m glad that we are still the NJ NETS and not the NJ LEBRONS……
by NetFan48 on Jul 8, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
where is that lupo guy ??
DID HE NOT PROMISE lebron on the nets
lol…. thank God i never believed him
by blazin pp face on Jul 8, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Proky image got shot down
in one week……..wat he spent for months building………he lost in 7 days…..soo sad
ohh well…
Fire Thorn
Fire Kiki
Fire Yi
Fire Lebron
Fire Wade
Fire Bosh
Fire Amare
he got his 100 mill… i don’t think he cares. he got his guaranteed money that no one else would offer him. I bet the Knicks regret signing him
this all he cared about was the money
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
the secret weapon
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of crazy talk
As Ian Thomsen wrote this week, everything about the Nets is “under construction” from the arena to ownership to GM, coach, etc.
Good luck selling that.
Prokhy laid it out perfectly
His pitch was amazing and he really did set the blueprint. It’s not his fault that LeBron had his own agenda to follow. Ultimately Prokhy’s not the one who makes the decision. He did his job to eprfection.
by warstory on Jul 8, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hire Kevin Paitchard as GM
KP will put together a WINNER.
by spencerbutte on Jul 8, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LeBron Legacy... Gone
Welcome to D Wades shadow
by bettacalltyrone on Jul 8, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions
YES!
Can’t wait to compete with the Pistons for “Most Overpaid Mediocre Team in the League”!!!!
A CAST OF NOTHING BUT ROLE PLAYERS DOES NOT EQUAL A CHAMPIONSHIP!
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 8, 2010 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
Take it easy
We’re not there yet. If they give Tyrus Thomas 5 years, $50 mill, then you can say that.
David Lee is going to the warriors...
announcement on it’s way.
we WILL overpay Thomas.
Thomas/Outlaw = Gordon/Villanueva
Only our new signing will have 4 eyebrows between the 2 of them. So at least we win something.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 8, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Tyrus Thomas is NOT a role player.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Basketball in russia
they must not get the nba in russia. they watch re-runs of hoosiers. so obviously proky knows what wins
Smokescreen
Give the Knicks hope and pull the rug from under them
In Lebron's defense,
If the Nets or Bulls have signed Amare to the max I think he would have chosen either team instead of the Heat.
i don't think so..
i believe he has made his choice from the start
ATTENTION
Prokhorov has changed his statementto include: “we will spend our money wisely except for Outlaw, that signing was strictly because he has a really cool name now back to the plan”
Since the face been revealed the game got real
by BL3ACH on Jul 8, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
HAHAHA
Holds sides
HAHAHA
by Anthony Perez on Jul 8, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This was planned
This was planned long ago. They wanted to play together. They dragged all these teams over the years giving false promises. We are in a better shape than for instance Knicks. I’m angry at these players than at Proky. He did what he could now let’s see what’s going to happen in the future.
by NDTony on Jul 8, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+10000000000
EXACTLY!!!
These dudes sat in that green room in 2003 and probably started setting this up. Not thinking that Wade would actually get the title first.
The PLANNED this all. Come on people. They were trying to make a movie out of it…lol.
Brilliant plan tho. Set off a bidding war that would force in conference Teams to weaken themselves by shedding space and making irrational signings in order to lure thier services only in the end to choose EACHOTHER.
Only Team that got a bit stronger was Chicago at first glance but now they have no 2 gaurd getting rid of Heinrich for nothing to clear space and not re-signing Gordon with eyes on Wade.
Cleveland loses “QUEEN” James and gets NOTHING in return. He could have at least got Wes to broker some sort of sign and trade. Left Cleveland with nothing with a bunch of “pieces” that were all in effort to build around HIM.
So only blame goes to all of us for dreaming and hoping and begging for their services.
They could have just stated that from the jump instead of trying to make people jump through hoops. But They are still kids and were just havin a lil fun. Boozer, Amare and Lee were all smoke screens. Lebron wanted BOSH! And Bosh wanted to be with Wade. And Wade wanted Lebron. (Wow did they ever make a sequel to that movie threesome? There is your movie right there fellas) Besides none of the other guys were in that 2003 draft so they weren’t allowed in the clubhouse. I can see them going after Luke ridnour who was in that class as was Kyle Korver.
Funny Net fact
2003 Nets pick at # 22 Zoran Planinić (The heir aparent to back up Kidd and Take over the team?
- pick you ask TRAVIS OUTLAW- Portland lol
Too Funny
The NETS are coming!
no you didn't hear??
contract talks with brian scalbrine have heated up
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Why isn't Thorn on the phone..
with Pat Riley offering a future 2nd round pick for Michael Beasley?
He’s better than Tyrus Thomas and he’s cheaper!
by BubbaMcBubba on Jul 8, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NO HE'S NOT
beasley isn’t better than Yi at this point.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
rec'd...
if we’re gonna bring a head case with high potential on board, we might as well not overpay…. or we could’ve just kept SWat.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 8, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
thomas has actually been good most of the time he's on the court
and as far as we know not a drug addict.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
You'd rather..
Thorn sign Stromile Swift Jr. to a long term deal at 6-7 mil per year,
than a kid who, despite admittedly having struggled with depression and substance abuse
still has all-star potential, and is only guaranteed 4.9 mil through this coming season?
Yikes…
by BubbaMcBubba on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
um compare their numbers
Beasley hasn’t been any better than Yi. And he’s struggled with depression because he’s a drug addict, and still is, there’s a reason the heat literally haven’t been able to give him away. He isn’t someone you should touch under any circumstances.
And Thomas has actually been good, much better than swift ever was.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
not with 5 years on the contract
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Cap space isn't an issue.
Really.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Who are we not going to be able to sign in the next three years?
Players like LBJ, Wade, etc, become FA’s once in a decade, maybe two.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
we can still make trades
or idk, signing David Lee might have been nice.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I liked Lee, so you got me there
But we still have the cap space to make a in season trade.
And by the sounds of it, will keep it that way.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
?
a report from the original outlaw thread said they planned on using 22 million of the 32 million in cap space. And Thomas, who they’re apparently targeting now, will probably get similar money to outlaw.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
They are leaving 10 mil in cap space.
That means, you can trade a Devin Harris and picks straight up for a guy making 16-18 million.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
but then we'd have no point guard?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I mean I understand what you're saying
but unless they sign Luke Ridnour it seems entirely unrealistic.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
true but the issue is
5/35 on a bench guy?
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It's slightly above MLE, for a guy that will initially start.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Slightly?
I don’t think he’s worth it. He is not a starter.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
You are absolutely kidding yourself if you do not think Outlaw is going to be the starter.
I believe Avery even said as much already.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's saying he shouldn't be
I mean Yi was a starter for us too, but y’know.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Outlaw has shown to at least be able to play both ways.
Yi could never play defense in the NBA.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I Agree
at this point we dont have anything and theat are desperate to move him. he may be a headcase butt he has talent.And if im not mistaken only one year left on contract so we’re not locked in long term. plus with coach avery on board i am confident that whoever is on this team will play defenseor face the wrath of the pocket general…
by bettacalltyrone on Jul 8, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
What is so incredibly un-realistic about his goal of us making the playoffs this season?
Let’s have a look at some of the teams in the East right now…
Cleveland sans LeBron
Toronto sans Chris Bosh
New York with Stoudemire but no LeBron and no David Lee… oh, and no PG or C either
Milwaukee… with CDR and Corey Maggette
Indiana with Granger and…. well, Granger.
Philadelphia with the great Evan Turner
Popeye Jones - scaring the children of New Jersey since 2010.
'The Crossover' - a Nets and Knicks podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=268817312
because with our highly mediocre team...
we’ll be getting swept by either the heat, celtics, or magic year after year after year after year after year after year.
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 8, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Cuz
Were gonna have the same roster the next 5 years
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we do have
our 12 win talent to push us into the 8th spot… Maybe we can get in with 25 wins this year?
Oh yea.. we got Outlaw..26 wins
I WILL SAY THIS
This offseason messed with everyones minds…You dont need 2 MVP caliber players to win. You need good players who know how to step up and 1 franchise caliber player…Dont get caught up with this nonsense. Seems that after this offseason people have blurred the differences between championship team and lotto team. Were not gonna make the playoffs this year, but who knows what the next offseason or even this one will bring…Hang in there
i would hang in there
if not for travis outlaw
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
outlaw is a bummer
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
hes a decent player…we didnt sign him and say he was gonna be our lebron..we just signed him to play some basketball and be effective
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
because if we were going to overpay
it would make about 10x more sense to overpay for David Lee. Who actually plays a position of need and will be much more impactful. I don’t really think Outlaw is much of an upgrade over a James/T-will combo.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I will put money
that lee will not put up the stats he did with NY…In D’antonis run and gun no defense system
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah he's not a 20-10 guy I agree i've been saying that all summer
but he’s a 12-10 guy in his sleep in any system. and has been one of the most efficient players in the league long before D’antoni.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Why
Would u give max money to a 12-10 guy? that could handcuff us for 5 years
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
because his max isn't max money, he's coming off a rookie contracts
it’s barely more than what we gave Outlaw per year. And will likely be less than what we give Outlaw+Tyrus Thomas.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I would
Have gone after Boozer..Not lee. any PF is gonna experience a career year playing next to brook who is a great center. so why not get one for way cheaper?
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
huh
boozer wasn’t way cheaper than lee. And why would you rather pay for a guy who can’t stay healthy?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Because
I think Boozer is a better all around player…I think Lee is more of a product of system and Stats
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
what system was he a product of when he was
playing under isiah thomas?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
exactly Gina
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Great
U guys are right we suck, im not posting here anymore, no one wants to stick up for their OWN team! Yea it sucks we didnt get a max guy, get over it move on
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
um what
what does David lee have to do with a max guy?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Neither fit
We need a defensive bruiser next to Lopez, like an Oakley or a Dale Davis, not DLee or Boozer. Lopez scores enough, so we don’t need a massive amount of points from our PF. Our desperation makes Lee or Boozer seem like saviors at the PF position, but our frontline defense would be terrible. Brook also likes to step out for that jumper, which is what Lee is also about – too many jumpshots would be taken by our bigs. If Favors can develop into a gritty defender and rebounder, he will be the perfect complement to Lopez
by smp369 on Jul 9, 2010 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
David Lee plays Center
That is not a position of need for the Nets
Outlaw is a big upgrade over an James. TWill is being groomed for the backcourt.
Gina, you are very offbase in your assessment of Outlaw
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
David Lee plays pf
he was only a center in D’antoni’s offense.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He plays PF as well as Yi
He plays Center because that is his best position and his true position. All of his offensive advantages last season was because he was playing Center on a putrid team. Against PF’s he wouldn’t be able to put up the same numbers.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
I know he wouldn't have put up he same numbers
i’ve been saying it the entire summer. But he was just as efficient playing pf, if not more efficient.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yes, he was efficient as a role player
It would be one thing if Lee was going to be paid like the roll player he really is.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Again...
Lee was a double-double guy BEFORE being moved to center. The fact that he can play both positions when trying to develop Favors is a good thing.
His per 36 minutes numbers are virtually identical at both positions (minus scoring where he was the only inside option on D’Antoni’s team) and comparing him to Yikes is simply comical.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leeda02.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jianlyi01.html
Unless you support the signing of no one, there is no way that not getting Lee or Boozer makes more sense than signing Outlaw (Bo would be more valuable to this team) and Thomas/Kurver and the rest of the “Plan C” garbage out there. Epic Fail for Proky!!!
"Proky is NBA dumb!"
He is a R-O-L-E P-L-A-Y-E-R
I am aware of what the stats are and they are being misused. Per 36 is an awful statistic.
He is also a horrible PF and contributes nothing positive at the position.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
nothing positive?
once again he was more efficient at pf than he was at center and still averaging a double double. And we’re going to end up spending the same amount on Outlaw and Thomas that we would have spent on Lee.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 9, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Word!
I’m not even a Lee fan but the numbers say he is more than a “R-O-L-E-P-L-A-Y-E-R”
Not to mention that he’s already a name in these parts and would have added to the Knicks rivalry while further weakening their roster. But, yeah, who knows, maybe that Outlaw/Thomas combo will end up doing that too…
(btw Gina, “roleplayers” like Outlaw/Thomas will likely cost more than $76M over 5 yrs)
"Proky is NBA dumb!"
A name, who cares?
He is an overrated role player with inflated stats on a putrid team in a big media market.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Yes, nothing positive at PF
Stats tell you nothing about the type of player David Lee is, but they sure got him paid nicely.
There is no reason to besmirch Outlaw by lumping him in with that waste of a player Tyrus Thomas.
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
Your last Outlaw/Thomas line is funny!
To agree to disagree one final time,,, of the two, I actually look more forward to Thomas!
We’ll see…
"Proky is NBA dumb!"
agreed about Thomas
thomas has been a much better player on court.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Kevin you have to give me an example
Over the last 30 years I can only think of Detroit and the Rockets… It’s rare winning the title witout at least 2..
Lakers??
Gasol is a great player…but i dont think i phrased my comment right…u dont need 2 guys like lebron and bosh, or lebron and wade etc. Gasol is great but not on the level of a lebron,wade,Kobe,durant
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ok seriously
after this statement this is the only scenario in which net fans can actually be ok next year.
Sign Lee
Trade harris and some picks for CP3.
Starting five is
CP3
Lee
Outlaw
Lee
Lopez.
We would be the #2 seed in playoffs.
I mean maybe I am wrong but unless we want a 11-71 team…
i'll take 11-71
perry jones here we come!
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
AS LONG AS WE CAN STILL BEAET THE KNICKS ITS ALL GOOD
by logik155 on Jul 8, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is the only thing we have left... to beat the knicks.
and i’m not being sarcastic, it’s our only hope…
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 8, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This Is the BEST Part of ALL this.
We can still be a better team then the KNICKS.
If the Knicks got Lebron, that would have been MY TRUE NIGHTMARE.
Proky Predicted This was Possible.
How did you guys expect Proky and Jay-Z to convince him NOT to join the NBA2K11 Team?
I would say that once CP3 gets traded elsewhere
Every player he named in the supposed “conference call leak” will be gone.
Problem is that Thorn may chicken out, because he wouldn't be around at time that Houston might match offer.
That is just not right to put this in the hands of Thorn.
Trading WHO/WHAT to get CP3???
No valuable draft picks or Quality players. What Gallo, Douglas, Walker and the rest of the picks you own through 2015?
Yeah that would work.
The NETS are coming!
its okay we got derrick favors who is the next chris bosh, damion james who will outplay lebron james, and twill who will dunk of wade. AND we got lopez and harris over chalmers and joel anthony
Give me whatever you are on.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
lol lee signed instantly
well there goes that idea. we r done. I would love to here prokys ideas
Man, I like this kid...he gets it.
<blockquote D_Favors
Lebron to Miami all i can say is that he let alot of people down half a minute ago via web
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Screwed that up.
D_Favors
Lebron to Miami all i can say is that he let alot of people down half a minute ago via web
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
good man that D.Favors
I’ll be rooting for D.Favors to reach his potential.
Has anyone thought it was strange that Thorn is doing this with 8 days left as a Net and without any contract?
Wonder if Rod will be with Warriors next year?
Proky should have had someone supervising Rod.
Proky said Boozer or Lee would be a Net. He must be disappointed.
what about the whole russian spies thing???
you don’t think he did
Since the face been revealed the game got real
How bad are the Cavs gonna be?
Whos their go to guy, Antwain Jamison?
LOL
GOMES SIGNED FOR 3/12
WE COULDN’T MAKE THIS NIGHTMARE UP
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
gomes sign 3/12
are u serious?
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
yep with the clippers
WE’RE GETTING OUTSMARTED BY THE CLIPPERS
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I've always defended Thorn
But the Outlaw contract is a bad move. Should have hired Pritchard and let him make the moves.
LOL
their starting lineup
Mo Williams
Anthony Parker
Jamario Moon
Anderson Varejao
Big Z
vs
Devin Harris
Courtney Lee
Terrence Williams
D.Favors
Brook Lopez
well...the good thing about this whole thing is that
we don’t have to see anderson verajao’s stupid giggly face on tv anymore
I'd almost consider taking Beasley off of Riley's hands, but there will be other offers.
Rod had his chance to get Beasley + picks for nothing.
I have never understood why the Nets let it be known Thorne was leaving./
Nets’ fans views notwithstanding, he is respected in the league and gave the team credibility and stability. As NI said, why would a top player come to a team in such a state of transition?…
He didn't even interview Boozer of DLee (living nearby).
Obviously Rod was pre-occupied.
Maybe Dave D. will find out the true story.
Scola’s not coming here, which means Tyrus Thomas and then Udonis Haslem are the best free agents left.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Told you bro
I put out my best theory and Lebron made the retarded decision. F’n sellout
by Anthony Perez on Jul 8, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry Kid you did good
Keep the faith and stay positive.
by Hollywoodnet on Jul 8, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
if gomes and foye sign for less
than what we gave Outlaw. I quit.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
yeah thats not right
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I like Outlaw
but can someone tell me…why we are comitting 5 yrs to him
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
AND we fired KIKI
GET THORN OUTTA HERE!
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Outlaws 5 years hurt more than Bron not coming
by NetsYankee on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
5 years is fine
But 7 million per?
When Gomes got 4?
S.M.H.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it was a stupid move.
Conspiracy theory: I can see Thorn trying to screw the Nets as a parting gift, but why would Prokorov ok this stupid deal.
because he trusts Thorn to make basketball decisions?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I don't care how many wins or if we make the playoffs
I just want a team that can beat the Knicks everytime we meet them…that should be our goal for this year
I just asked the OKC sbnation if they’re looking for NY/NJ refugees. still waiting for an answer… for a team with such little drama, they don’t have much activity over at Loud City…
by JohnFromLongIsland on Jul 8, 2010 10:21 PM EDT reply actions
Still will be a Nets fan but..
OKC is my second favorite team and I’ll root for them and the classy Durant to crush the cHeats.
Hell I’ll even root for the Lakers to beat them.
anybody but the Heat and Knicks
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I would root for the Thunder to crush EVERYBODY, since Kevin Durant has more class than LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, AND Chris Bosh COMBINED.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldve loved it to be a front loaded contract
with salary decreasing
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
end of the season?
by christmas.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Yes I love what I'm seeing out of DJames
Now we have too many 3s.. and Outlaw will be hard to move later.
Outlaw is 6'9
He can Play stretch 4 in Stretches. He is a 4th Quater guy. Athletic and can get his own shot. If he averages 17 a game. Its a GREAT DEAL. He just needs to stay healthy. I would have preffered Al Harrington tho. But Al don’t play D!!!
The NETS are coming!
watch yi become an all star next year
traded away a 7 footer for nothing
Are u Serious?
Yi was the worst starting player in the NBA, im so sad hes gone
by Kevin Growney on Jul 8, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
lamo with the same degree of success i say
watch derrick favors finish with 20/10 numbers in his rookie season.
jeez, some people don’t beleive their eyes. did you see Yi play? he’s a fringe (cringe :) ) NBA player.
by Belarus4life on Jul 8, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously?
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
just kidding man :) now that I think about it.
that contract Outlaw sign with the Nets is freakin awful!
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no prob with it
but why 5 yrs
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
please tell me you're not a jerk
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Beasley
We should get Beasley right now. The Heat have to move him immediately, so we could get him on the cheap and he would cost less then Tyrus Thomas (and is more productive as well)
i wouldve gotten beasley but we have outlaw
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
JA Adande
I dont understand why we would talk about shaq helping Kobe get 5 rings…he wasnt on the team for 2 of them
Net At All
He sold out. That’s what happened. You could tell he wanted us. He looked very uncomfortable. Maybe it was Newark. It’s time to move on, though. I have to. I’ve sacrificed a lot emotionally, and in other spots too. I still can’t believe you’d go to the 76ers.
BLUEPRINT FOR GREATNESS
AHAHA BLUEPRINT FOR THE LOTTERY
What's wrong with taking a chance with Beasley for 1 year???? Averu and Mitchell can motivate him better than anyone.
He has expiring contract.
Problem is that there will be several bidders now and price will go up?
It would be a one year experiment while Favors develops. We still have Hump as backup for 1 year too.
I might not quit on Nets if they got Beasley.
It would be fun to watch, not knowing what to expect.
Lets all go lobby for Beasley.
Could be rapped up in 1 day, which is what Thorn likes.
I wish the NY Media would accept
That the Knicks were just above the Clippers for last place in the LeBron race.
Thank GOD this farce is over!
Well Lupo, what was it you said to me the other night???
"mock me now, hail me later"
Ya… well not so much.
Hope you will reflect on how FAR FROM REALITY you allowed yourself to stray.
Travis Outlaw
keeping my opinion reserved on the kid.
He'll play tough, hard nosed basketball.
He is just a bit over paid.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
a bit?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
how bout 5 mill per over 3 years would still be over paid a bit
Since the face been revealed the game got real
but he shoots 44 percent :-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lupo
The deal was if we didn’t get him you were coming with me, what time should I pick you up? Look at the bright side, we now got our man Evan Turner!
IN BASKETBALL MORE THAN ANY OTHER SPORT THE SUPERSTARS ALWAYS WIN...
maybe in baseball or football you can get a upset and some team comes out of nowhere to win… but very unlikley in basketball ….closest nba has gotten in upsets is dallas losing in 1st round or maybe detroit beating la … overpay or not we have all this capspace and didnt get 1 superstar …. you can’t expect someone like travis outlaw to all of a sudden turn it on after 7 years in league…. we failed this offseason and we will continue to fail unless we get superstars
By the way, Jay -Z is useless. He should go down to Miami and buy a piece of that team.
LETS GO NETS!
He bought season tickets courtside
So he’s invested in the team.
Does anyone think
that in his time after the meeting with LeBron, he said something along the lines of “I’m your friend, I want what’s best for you, I’m not sure the Nets are best for you”
I think he had knowledge of this as well
Because the Nets got played like fools. He might as well head into the background again because the only thing that he helped to do was embarrass this stupid franchise this summer.
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:04 AM EDT up reply actions
My Second Suicide control Post
Rome wasnt built in a day!!! Were rebuilding. Face it. we have cap room, were gonna make trades…if we go into the season with this roster ill Donate 500 dollars to this site
How many other teams have cap space to take Beasley's 5 million salary directly and need a PF?
It would be simpler for Riley than going to a three team trade as mentioned, between Charlotte and Houston.
Everyone would have to take about a 1.5 million pay cut to keep Beasley.
They should be lobbying to get Riley to trade Beasley.
nada!
They should let their coaching staff play
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we have to trust Prokhorov and Jay. They have to have some sort of plan. I don’t know what that is, though.
3ptChucker
He’s gonna be interviewed on SportsCenter at some point tonight, so tune in to get your answer.
Can you imagine how many bandwagon fans there will be wearing Miami Heat jerseys. Wait until next year when Miami comes to Newark. Half the arena will be Miami fans.
LETS GO NETS!
can we trade?
Harris, Lopez. Outlaw, Favors, James, Twill, Clee, Hump…
only would trade hump and we have a bunch of picks…can we get creative with hump and picks?
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
i want nets to explain
why 5 yrs to outlaw…i dont get why 5 yrs..
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
So, who in college ball should I keep an eye on
I’m already looking at Perry Jones, Barnes, Killa Kyrie, Brandon Knight. Who else?
Seth Curry
Steph’s Lil Brother will be playing beside Killa Kyrie at Duke. Led the country in freshman scoring at Liberty. Has a nice shot with that curry range and is more athletic than his brother.
The NETS are coming!
bryon scott
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
what a fool he is
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
WAIT
I got an idea:
Now that this didn’t shake out so well, what do you guys think about the following moves?
1- trade for Al Jefferson. I think combo of him and Brook would be very nice. Thoughts? What would they want?
2- trade for Beasley with maybe a 1st round pick?
3- sign Korver
4- sign a legit backup center.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
Why not add Jefferson
What are the knocks on him does he not play d? Very intrigued but haven’t seen too much of him.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
because we would have the worst defensive front court in the NBA
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
well if we agree this seasons a lost cause
how about richard!!
RJ?
another G-F? We have a bunch of those already. We need a vet PF.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick Fix
We don’t need a quick fix, we have to make do with what we have. Develop the young studs, sign serviceable role players and eventually, if we get lucky, get at least one All Star to complement/lead the young team. That’s how a dynasty is going to be built. Can’t believe how near sighted some people are. We didnt sign LeBron, big deal, not the end of the world!
wake me up when Thorn is gone
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why doesn't every GM do that?
Because it’s not that simple. The “studs” are no way near guaranteed to pan out. You can keep getting picks but more often than not they will bust. And we have to be incredibly lucky to get an All Star in the near future without trading young pieces. Durant and Melo won’t even touch free agency too.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
Of course its not simple
What i’m trying to say is that we need to make do with what we have, and what we have are raw talents w/ tremendous upside. We have the tools to make them good, provide them w/ an environment of positive attitude and tough love. that’s why we have Avery, a proven teacher and coach. If they’re willing to work and show up every practice, every game. . . . Sky’s the limit. We got rid of CDR because we don’t need his negativity. More professionals like Hassell to mentor the younger players is what we need. We have so much assets via cap space and draft picks and a very positive owner, What’s not to like about the future of this team? Pessimism kills. . . .
Superstars are not grown there born ....
how many superstars or hall of famers do you know took more than 2 years in the league before everyone knew they were gonna be great …. we either aquire superstars in fa or get lucky and aquire them through draft … until then we will be out the playoffs or in 1st round 2nd round purgatory
Yes we did.
It was Travis Outlaw for 5/35
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont get 5yrs
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I don't get 35 million.
Wasted on a bench player.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
no we signed outlaw
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
If the NBA really wants to be sadistic, they would schedule Miami’s 1st game of the season in Cleveland.
Huge TV auidience.
But then 50 of Miami’s games will probably be in National TV.
at least he spoke up
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Nets will focus on a new President of Basketball Operations in next few days I think. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to complete an offer for a restricted FA.
Only someone unemployed would now accept an offer to come to Nets.
I really always have a good laugh when I am reading and interact with the friends here...
No LeBron .. so what…
by Jarkid Shen on Jul 8, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wonder how many teams are gonna just tank games
to rebuild from the draft while waiting for the Heat to get older.. this isn’t really good for the NBA’s fanbase
@ Gina
Why not Al Jefferson and Beasley acquisition?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
Nate Robinson?
Nate Robinson + Terrence Williams—perfect together?
Texas slang in a Big Apple minute, by a friendly OED consultant. http://www.barrypopik.com
wheres LUPO?
with his YAY LEBRON IS COMING HERE CHANTS
He can't keep up too many people are posting every second.
His erver is to slow.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I say we suck again and rebuild through the draft
Perry Jones and Harrison Barnes both look good
We have to at least try for Carmelo and/or cp3
if no superstars want to come to newark/brooklyn then we should go the 2004 pistons direction w/ a collective group of good long players who play defense
calm down no one's coming here
we will build through the draft and be NBA champions in 2020…YAY..
go Lakers! go Thunder!
go nets for the lottery ! :(
3 WORDS FOR 2011 "GET CARMELO ANTHONY"
The Nets need to do all they can to bring Melo home to Brooklyn next offseason along with someone else. Stop rewarding these role players with inflated contracts. Get Carmelo & develop Favors. The Brooklyn Nets will be ready
his hometown is Baltimore
he may have been born in Brooklyn but Baltimore is his home.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I hope his family left
any word on whether Rachel Nichols made it out of NY alive?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
this is totally random
but does anyone else think Lebron might win a championship with the heat and then try and go back to the cavs?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
that would be interesting....and would they want him )of course)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Next up on the agenda Plan Z
Prohorov will spend billions to create a russian basketball player who is well oiled like a machine and his name shall be Ivan Drago 2
haha Netsdaily
used the word BITCH
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
SHOULD OUTLAW START OR TWILL?????
I think TWILL has much more upside than outlaw…we should still START TWILL…..
TWILL will be our LeBron…
Starting Lineup how I see it
C-Lopez
PF- favors or Tyrus
Sf- Outlaw
SG- T-will
PG- Harris
d-james
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
No to Both.
I would love for DJames to get that starting job
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
DJames to start, TWill as 6th man. Outlaw way down the bench.
by calling all toasters on Jul 8, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
TOTAL TOTAL FAILURE
there are no other words for this disgrace.
and alot of other places too
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Jul 8, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE PAT RILEY AND THE MIAMI HEAT CHEATED
Its not lebron not coming to nets is what hurts the most it’s that miami got 3 of the top 10 players in the league at their prime… how could stern let this happen i thought he pulled the strings when it came nba operations … (and officiating lol)
Disgusted with the nets
We’ve done nothing now we’re overpaying roleplayers
by shea23 on Jul 8, 2010 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i am a Nets fan and some of you guys make me embarassed. All carying about Free-agents it was Either Lebron, Wade or Bosh we are lucky we didnt pick up another big name. Build through the Draft…SMH glad you guys arent in the Front office and i hope we just sign low paying contract to veterans as stop gaps
by nwkiddnj on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
7 million a year
to Outlaw and we plan to spend the rest on roleplayers? Yeah we can rebuild but this isn’t going to help us.
1 contract that isnt even all that bad… the guy is a all around player. most of you guys wanted David Lee mister no Defense and he signed to the warriors for 80 mill!! if favors becomes a quality player we will be a good team, who cares about next year. we missed out on Lebron and Wade there is no other FA that will turn this team around so get young pieces and build
when ryan gomes gets 3/12
5/35 for outlaw is that bad
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
7 per vs 4 per is bad.
But Outlaw is the better player.
We will have to wait and see this season though.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Outlaw is better, but it would be worth it to pay Outlaw a $12 mil buyout right now.
by calling all toasters on Jul 8, 2010 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Dawn of the Super Team Era
Maybe, Wade, Bosh and LeBron taking less money to play together (and following the model established by Allen, Garnett and Pierce, albeit past their prime) will be the dawn of a new era in which the Star players team up to try to win multiple championships….the Super Team Era.
I will not be surprised if Carmelo and CP3 find a way to play together in the next few years….maybe at the Knicks teaming up with A’mare, hopefully with us in Brooklyn.
It’s going to be like Real Madrid in soccer with their “Galacticos”
The next 10 years should be interesting….hopefully we are relevant in this Super Team Era…
Now DeLonte West can be the king of Cleveland......
they don’t need to trade this bro …. He just did a good job…
he's moving to Miami with Lebrons mom
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
We need to make the Playoffs this year.
Change the culture I still think we can with this team alone, I don’t team like the Bucks if we are healthy being better than us, especially with our coaching.
we can't make the play-offs AND get Perry jones!
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I have a feeling Avery is going to make us
A superior defensive team lol, for good or bad, I see the playoffs.
i hope we're an 11 win team
who holds our opponents to 93 a game
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Oh, that’ll be some exciting basketball— “10 minutes in , and still no score.”
by calling all toasters on Jul 8, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant with a another veteran PF as well.
If its TT then be it should be enough, its about coaching and defense.
W can still make it but we need to unload Outlaws contract by the trading deadline.
Question is: Can we move him to another with that kind of contract?
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
who would want him
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I hope Kevin Durant gets there first.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Bass?
He barely got off the bench for the Magic. I love his game.. He could start until Favors develops..
good trader
good at getting cap relief
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
everyone is killing me
Everyone should be thanking him to come out and have the GO NETS!!! to say we still have that goal even tho we didnt get a top FA
Guys i started thinking do you really think we cant win 42-45 gms think about it
we have a real coach now and even a coaching staff
Brook lopez Averaged 18 and 9 without anyhelp he now has a better Twill and Outlaw will help also hes a yr older
Devin Harris is going to be healthy and yr older and probably better he averaged 16 and he was injuried half the season what do you think hes going to do with a real coach
We are going to have a better supporting case
my expectations are 30-45 wins if we cant reach 30 wins its a failer
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
u know what..at the end of day
I LOVE BEING THE UNDERDOG
F$$k James…especially bitch Wade….GO NETS!!
And Baby Bosh......
Who’s gonna change his Diapers ?
This is crazy, and I can't wait
To beat the Heat. They are going to have NOBODY other than their 3.
No to Tyrus Thomas but...
I really like Al Harrington’s game…How much is he asking for ????
THINGS TO LOOK FORWARD TO THIS SEASON
1) Awesome TWill dunks.
2) More hysterical “Ask the Announcers” segments.
by calling all toasters on Jul 8, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
I don't get the hoping for 30-40 wins
i’d rather pick in the top 4 of the draft again. THEY CAN’T THWART US TWICE.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Time to talk about our Rosters
C: Brook Lopez – 22 ppg 12 rpg 2bpg
PF: Tyrus Thomas – 10 ppg 7 rpg 1.8bpg
SF: Travis Outlaw – 13 ppg 5 rpg 2 apg
SG: Terrence Williams – 19.5 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg
PG: Devin Harris – 18 ppg 3 rpg 9 apg
Beat the heat as the no.8 seed in the ECF.
Outlaw as our starting SF?
I’d rather have DJames on that spot.
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
suddenly I think if we have gotten Wesley Johnson...
He can be a starter right now… and as TT is our PF…
he might be better
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I definitely like James.
But I will not let the summer league let me get gassed up about a player.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not about summer league
every draft site had them ranked within 3-4 spots of each other. Johnson just went so much higher because Minnesota is bogged down with centers.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Johnson was always a top 5 pick.
James, at best, was a mid-teens.
I am not sure where you get that they were a couple picks from each other.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
he was a top 5 pick based on need
almost no site had him as a top 5 player available
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
im talking about in their player rankings
not in their mock drafts.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/
Johnson 6, James 16.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
travis 15 ppg and 5 rpg
clee starts
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
twill is our sixth man
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
no outlaw should start and then half way thru the season i predict james takes over
the thing is are we a 8th seed or can we become a 6th or 7th seed?
lets take a look
Orl
Bos
Mia
4-8
you got Atl,bulls,Bucks,NYK,NJ,Cle,Bobcats,
pistons?,pacers? wiz? raptors? sixers?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There is some upside
Some promotions have been reinstated and Courtney Lee just brought me a piping hot pepperoni pizza.
not 100% sure
but i think it was devin and derrick favors for cp3 and okafor.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
EVERYONE
has to relax about the Travis Outlaw signing. This is a guy the Nets have been trying to trade for for over a year. Obviously everyone in the front office thinks this kid has something. ALSO, he is only 25 years old! a 5 year contract to a 25 year old is not crazy at all. Yeah, he hasn’t done anything spectacular in his career, but look at his stats. 2 seasons ago, he averaged 13 poitns a game. Everyone has to calm down. As much as it sucks right now, you have to be patient and confident wiht our team. We are too young and have too much potential to have people jumping off the ship.
Do you guys remember when we made the finals 2 years in a row? Do you think we made that great team from huge free agent signings? No. Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson were both on the Nets as rookies (we traded for RJ before his rookie year), and both were young players for those 2 teams. All we need is a trade for CP3 (which is very possible) and this looks EXACTLY like it did 10 years ago.
Rod Thorn doesn’t want to screw the Nets over. He will do everything possible to make this team as good as possible before he goes. So I ask everyone, please just be patient with this team. You will see soon enough how good this team will be.
You really had me going there for a second.
by calling all toasters on Jul 8, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think once Outlaw gets playing time in NJ, his contract will not be an issue.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
his contract in itself isn't that bad
it’s more the signaling of the thought process behind it, or lack there of.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
How so?
Hard working, athletic guy, for a middle of the road contract.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that there's multiple similar players available
and they immediately jump on him paying whats likely exactly market value, in a market that’s overpaying. The fact that less than 24 hours later Gomes, who isn’t as good but isn’t that far behind, signs for literally half the value makes it seem like they actually did panic and just signed the first sf they thought of.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
I think the Nets paid more for potential.
Outlaw has the athletic ability to grow into a much better final product than the other guys.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
to grow into a much better product?
He’s been in the league for 8 years now. When is that going to happen? When he turn 35?
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Lu Harris was an incredibly valuable player for the Nets.
He didn’t develop until late in his career.
It happens.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
LUCIOUS!!!
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
He was awesome
Nets had a T E A M.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2015
look at his stats for the 2 years he played full seasons. 07-08 and 08-09 were the 2 seasons he played 82 and 81 games, and those 2 seasons, he averaged 13 points a game, on a Portland team with Brandon Roy and Lemarcus Aldridge. This guy is good.
i think he is a good player
I dont think at the 3 we needed to focus
Yes it is that bad
Kris Humphries is a better player than this guy, and we were ready to dump Humphries just to not pay him $3 mil
by calling all toasters on Jul 8, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
the thought process behind it?
the nets have wanted this guy for a long time. as soon as they realized they were out of the lebron sweepstakes, this was the first guy they turned too. obviously, the nets management sees something in this guy. rod said we weren’t going to throw money around for no reason. I don’t know about you guys, but I like Outlaw and I like the signing. You are talking about a 25 year old who has experience and has been in the league for 7 seasons already. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, IN ROD WE TRUST.
I hope .......
that the NBA and the officials change their ways realizing that most fans are not appreciative of this move and keep the calls honest against the Heat…..
Lebron is now the most hated person in the NBA
And I would never want him on my team after this.
I hope he fails miserably in Miami and never ever wins a title in his whole career.
I hope he goes down as a player who had so much potential, but never saw it to fruition.
Agreed.....
If we sign him when we move to Brooklyn than I will no longer be a Nets Fan…So I hope that we never sign him……Also…Trade Jay-Z…….
uuuuuuuuuuuuu yyyyeeeeeeaaahhhh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYXcP0Q9gS0
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
by Andy. on Jul 8, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow!
How much do we have to pay for him 5/85?
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
more like
6 yrs 100 mil
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
No worries
We have enough money to sign him on that amount lol!
by jasperjarrod on Jul 8, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW !!!!!
I saw Bosh crying after that block on him by Thomas….I think Bosh peed his pants…..
Bosh is Wades
BITCH
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I'M SOLD ...lol
Now just get him!!!!!!!!!
I loved him at LSU beside Big Baby! He can Play. He is long. I would feel better if he added 15 pounds of Muscle tho.
The NETS are coming!
Brooklyn Plan
1- trade for cp3
2 – get a real pf
3 – sign melo
4 – we good:
CP3
TWill
Melo
Favors older and better
Brook
Come see us, Miami… we gonna beat y’all.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
More like
1. Develop the young players.
2. Build the arena.
3. Get lucky in a draft.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Perry Jones!
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
bro not cool i really feel bad for cleveland how can you guys be happy cleveland is going to be bad again
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
because they are really arrogant..
I hate the cavs fans around me and their PA announcer….he always likes to say “CAAAAVS…BALL”
and why are they arrogant?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
by Wall2KingJames on Jul 8, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I too....
Feel Bad for all Cleveland Fans that any one human being can hurt so many people at one time for his own greed and ego……I guess us Net Fans felt similar when JKIDD left town…..
I think it's awful.
LeBron pulled a fast one on that fan base in the most public manner possible. LeBron has no class.
he is childlike...without a doubt
didn’t shake hands with magic in 2009,
be un-kind to the ball-boys….
likes to bite the nails…
he is just not a big-time player mentally.
IMO the East is the East why cant we get the 6th or 7th seed
Are the Bucks or Knicks or Cavs or Pacers or Pistons or Wiz or Sixers or Raptors or Bobcats
to me the nets can get the 6th seed easy if they put alot of effort into it
1.Orl 2.Bos 3.Chi 4.Mia 5.Atl 6. NJ? or Bucks or Bobcats
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
You know...
at least Tyrus Thomas plays defense. Can we give him like a 3 year deal worth 25 mil or something?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
This is the psycho avery needs
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/7/8/1560013/prokhorov-playoff-goal-remains#comments
i all him psycho double T
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
So basically we didn't get ANY good free agent
But we got a new owner, new coach, #3 draft pick, a late round steal draft pick, and a new arena to play in.
I think we win 30?
Wouldn't be laughing stock. Would have cap space for getting better.
Noone is winning a championship north of Florida anyway.
Best home for any other team is to become elite.
Correct me if I am wrong, but on the positive side, signing Outlaw may be the biggest FA signing in Nets history.
The last big FA deal was canceled due a bad knee and that was for only 32 million.
Yep. Did anyone mention this?
Of course on the negative side, Outlaw was only worth about 25 million, especially when he gets outplayed by DJames, who is a much better rebounder.
i think Outlaw is fine, he can be our solid SF...
while we have TWill as our franchise player in the future.
That's what I thought. Too many harsh words
Guess Lebron deserves them?
by Belarus4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn that’s tough. Gilbert is ready to rumble.
by calling all toasters on Jul 8, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
GREAT LETTER.....
And Honest…He is more confident than Proky….We have 1-5 years…He says title this year…….
I’d say it’s:
1) Orlando
2) Milwaukee
3) Philadelphia
4) Chicago
5) Miami
6) Detroit
7) Boston
8) Atlanta
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions
We’re not making the playoffs next year. I told you LeBron would go to Miami from the moment we abandoned Jackson and Calipari.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just calling it as I see it (Stan Van Gundy/Scott Skiles/Doug Collins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avery Johnson).
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
On Cavalier Website!!
Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;
As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.
This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his “decision” unlike anything ever “witnessed” in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.
Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.
The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.
There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.
You simply don’t deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.
You have given so much and deserve so much more.
In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:
“I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE”
You can take it to the bank.
If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our “motivation” to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.
Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works.
This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown “chosen one” sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And “who” we would want them to grow-up to become.
But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called “curse” on Cleveland, Ohio.
The self-declared former “King” will be taking the “curse” with him down south. And until he does “right” by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.
Just watch.
Sleep well, Cleveland.
Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day….
I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:
DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue….
Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers
Best part...
PDcavsinsider
Trust me from as who’s dealt with Gilbert, I can only imagine what the first draft looked like. This was probably PR team’s compromise. 1 minute ago via web
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds
like sour grapes to me. Tough break Dan.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
It's official
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
dude I cannot believe he would post that
even if that is how he felt, that is not how to go about it. Now people that are not Cav’s fans will spport Lebron with its just business or feel sorry for him or something.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
im just curious i need to hear this from everyone 1.Will anyone boo him when he comes to prudential and 2.does anyone have respect him 3.will anyone accept him if he opts out to join the nets for brooklyn ?
"Avery Johnson: Erase to Replace"
Wall2KingJames to JamesSucks
Admit it netdaily - that was despicable what you did
my fanpost was deleted because it was anti-Brooklyn and anti-management. That was disgraceful. I am entitled to my opinion like anyone else and this debacle of a free agency search is the clearest sign ever that this franchise is in shambles. The Brooklyn move is a joke and I was entitled to share that belief tonight. You do realize this is America and we live in a democracy right?
Brooklyn will be the best thing that ever happened to this franchise.
If we were playing in Brooklyn next year, tonight most likely would have been different.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomes signed a 3/12 contract
Randy Foye signed 2/8.
So we paid 32 million for Outlaw, the clippers paid a combined 20 million to Foye and Gomes.
This is why I think the outlaw deal is terrible and a sign of a lack of a plan/panic in the front office.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
All we can do is what and see how Outlaw plays next year.
Clearly he is going to have to earn his contract.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he can be a decent player/role player
but I don’t think that makes it make any more sense.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
yeah we're taking a chance
nets believe can blossom if given the chance…hopefully nets are right
if outlaw can average 15ppg and play solid d…its a good deal
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
wouldn't Gomes and Foye being taken a chance too
for a similar return at a more reasonable cost. Not to mention filling our back up pg need.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
how not?
Gomes isn’t as good, but the distance isn’t enough to make Outlaw+15 million better than Foye and Gomes.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
And how do you know this?
Stop acting like a GM and projecting how much all these players are really worth. Outlaw was a solid contributor to a very good team in the West. Foye is garbage, and Gomes was inconsistent on a horrible team.
Nets have liked Outlaw for awhile.
Tried to trade for him on multiple occasions.
Clearly they have scouted him and think he can be more than the other, cheaper players.
Time will have to tell if they were right.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
nets have wanted outlaw for a long time
he is only 26…he has a great opportunity to become a 15ppg+ scorer..
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I can envision Outlaw making a jump like Harris
New team, new coach, greater opportunity to score, etc. Not saying he will have as big as a jump like Harris, but maybe a smaller one. That’s what the Nets envision.
don't push it
i’ll hope for it though
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop.
He is a top 3 player in the NBA.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
so he's not a great player
because he’s not blinded by his huge ego?
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Kevin Durant is top 10 in the NBA and he has NO ego.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree/Disagree?
Tyrus Thomas would be the closest thing the Nets have had to Kenyon Martin since he left.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agree
tyrus is a pyscho…
PYSCHO TT
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
what's it gonna take
to get him signed?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that what i want to know
$40/4yrs…option to 4th yr?
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
TORONTO FANS.....
should be angry as well……They have always given Bosh the Red Carpet treatment and he just deserted them..I never liked him either….
it's called "Karma" to Raptors Fans
they booed on Carter, now I want to see if they gonna Boo Bosh????
oh man
boos upon boos. Plus I bet Hedo demands a trade tomorrow.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
call me crazy
i rather have outlaw than hedo
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
WHY do we need Turkoglu? We already have Outlaw, and Terrence Williams, and Damion James. We don’t need another small forward. What we need now is Tyrus Thomas.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 8, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha “We haven’t hit a home run?” They managed to come up to the plate bases loaded and no one out, and we didn’t score a single run.
There isnt a grade low enough
to describe the debacle of the last few months. Losing the lottery for the top 2 picks after a 12-70 season, running Rod Thorn out of town, that ridiculous billboard in NYC and now a complete miss on every free agent the team targeted not to mention settling for what appeared to be the team’s 3rd or 4th choice (at-bes) for coach. This nightmare never ends.
Blame the people who held up the move to Brooklyn.
Threw the timing off for a fight that they were never going to win.
In some ways, tonight is what they wanted.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually something to be said about that
The general opinion was that if Brooklyn was opening next year, LeBron would’ve been going there without a doubt.
But I believe in karma.
I never ever ever ever want someone as egotistical and self centered as LeBron on my team.
EVER.
I never want someone as egotistical as LeBron on my team.
This whole thing makes me like him less, thats for sure.
yeah but if he picked the nets would you still feel that way??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
after that disgusting display on TV last night, i have this much to say about lebron:
i hate the man. i hate his guts. but if that man puts on my team’s gear and plays basketball for my team?? well, i have no choice but to cheer for him. I would be cheering for the ball player, the athlete, the sports icon. inside however, i would still hate the man (or the child, really).
Way off No Sleep
Ratner NEVER had the funding! Prokhorov is trying to save his failing plan – could have never been built and hopefully still won’t. The delays actually bought Ratner the time he needed to find this gu.
NBA players do not want to play in New Jersey.
They do not care about Newark, or “The Rock”.
It’s a dead scene.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if that’s true, then you look at it one of two ways:
Blame tonight on the people of Brooklyn. They held up the inveitable.
Blame Bron. He knows the team will be there eventually. Better to say you were already there ahead of time, rather than join, which we all know he’s gonna try to do.
Hmmm....
STEIN_LINE_HQ
ESPN.com sources: Miami has agree to a trade with Minnesota that will send Michael Beasley to the Wolves. Link forthcoming
And i bet it’s for a player making $3 mil less
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
give us kevin love...lmao
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yeah...
If Miami gets Rubio than I would be real pissed at Thorn and the Nets….
This is disgusting
STEIN_LINE_HQ
Wolves-Heat deal, sources say, calls for ’Sota to absorb Beasley into cap space and send its 2011 second-round pick to Miami to seal deal
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery....
will be a great coach for this young team….Better than that Little Scum that we had…I’m still ecstatic over finally getting rid of it……
"little scum"
LF doesnt look that small next to Ave. He’s a good coach, too.
My Goals are to date a Supermodel and hit the mega millions lottery
AND
“MY GOALS REMAIN INTACT”
Actually I'm not a bad looking guy
So my chances on one half of the equation are at least in the same universe as borderline realistic, which automatically means my chances are MUCH BETTER than this Russian BS artist.
No, they are not
He will have some of the most beautiful women in the world with him, and you will have someone who (like you) is actually not that bad looking.
I'm referring to his goal to win a championship
This Russian BS artist wouldn’t know how to build a championship team if his life depended on it, and if that’s not apparent to ALL NETS FANS after this week, well, I don’t know what to tell you.
One of the silliest things
I have read ever on this board is the concern that the Nets have “overpaid” for Outlaw and might (will) overpay for Tyrus Thomas.
In general, this is not Bruce Ratner we’re talking about here. Why would anyone worry that Mikhail Prokhorov is going to overpay for anything or anybody. Is it your money? No, it’s the money of one of the richest men on the planet who is obviously committed to spending money…$3 million to get rid of Yi, a few hundred thousand dollars to recruit Zoubek and Uzoh, and enough money to pay three former head coaches to man the bench….not to mention the advertising dollars.
Also, the Nets MUST “overpay”. They’re the NETS. They were 12-70. Everything about them is unsettled: as Ian Thomsen said, everything about the Nets is “under construction”, starting with Brooklyn.
Specifically, Outlaw is essentially being paid the MLE, just reconfigured so he gets $7 million a year…which is smart for the Nets since they will be under the cap at the beginning of the process and over it at the end. If they had structured it as an MLE, Outlaw would be getting $8+ million by the fifth year. And please, does anyone out there believe that a 25 year old with his record wasn’t going to get the MLE…in this market? Please.
As for Thomas…Yeah, they blew it with Boozer, more so than with Lee (who they didnt like for the uptempo, defensive oriented game Johnson wants to run). At some point, you have to trust your basketball people. Johnson is pushing Thomas. He thinks that he can turn his fellow Louisianan into a solid player.
Not my money. Give it a shot.
by Net Income on Jul 8, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
LETS GET PYSCHO TT
and ashton kutcher
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yes but.
Can we all at least agree that Jay-Z is nothing but an associate of LeBron James, and not close to him at all?
Otherwise, the Nets would’ve made moves long ago to secure people like Boozer.
Harris/?
Clee/Twill
Outlaw/James
Tyrus/Favors/Hump
Lopez/?
how does korver fit in? thats a playoff team…QUICK UPTEMPO…BLOCK+REBOUND AND RUN…FASTBREAK TEAM
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
twill is going to light it off the bench as our
sixth man
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
other then the turn overs and horrible shot selection
but he does has a skill set on him
Since the face been revealed the game got real
TWill skills
summer league shows how far he has to go. shpt selection, passing to empty areas of the floor, taking it 1 on 3…
I am willing to give it a shot, but if I don’t like a move the team I have rooted for my whole life makes, isn’t this the place to voice my displeasure? I will root for this kid and hope he does well but I just don’t like the 5 year commitment to an unproven player.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
NI...
u put everything into perfect perspective. made my night lol
This is truly outrageous Net Income
This is falt-out insulting to our intelligence. You can’t honestly believe any of this. How stupid do you think we are? Well those of us that aren’t blinded by Prohorov and Ratner and their greed.
you wanna talk "silly"
being a homer to management is silly. blindly supporting Yi for 2 years is silly.
great post, NI
Not really excited about Thomas though, but at the end of the day I’m glad that we didn’t spend money on Boozer, especially since Lebron never had ANY intention of coming here.
We made out of this fairly unscathed. At least we maintain flexibility if anything comes up, which I doubt, but we are in a better position than the Knicks….ROFL
"No one stands on the top of the world. Not you, not me, not even gods. But the unbearable vacancy of the throne in the sky is over. From now on...I will be sitting on it."
by MrDollarBills on Jul 9, 2010 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions
BTW, What's is everyone so sad about?
So what if the Heat have LeBron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh
WE GOT TRAVIS OUTLAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
an apology is warranted
I don’t care about your personal insults towards me – but to insult our intelligence as a whole by continuing to defend this clueless excuse for management because you are obsessed with the corporate interest of this team in Brooklyn. Come on already!!!
oh brother...
put a sock in it already
by warstory on Jul 9, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You should be happy
no Lebron, it’s what you wanted
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
I am happy about no LeBron
the guy is a classless bore. But not to get Boozer or anyone of significance after all these promises and the suffering of a 12-win season is maddening. The direction of this team could not be more misguided.
I'd like to think there is a greater plan in place
And by not over spending on a 30 year old with a bad injury history is part of it…
We have A LOT of young talent on this team and A LOT of draft picks over the next few years.
Rome wasn’t built over night…
Be Patient My Friends…
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
And also my old friend
First thing I will every agree with you on…
LBJ is a classless bore.
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
LeBron is a classless bore.
I think you mean classless boor…
i kinda wanna smack him
chrisbosh
It’s madness out here! I’m on cloud 9 right now! This is like a dream come true to play with @dwadeofficial and @kingjames!
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
We'll get our chance
Once the season starts.
We received our big surprise this week
The big surprise is that Goldfinger is totally full of crap and he wouldn’t know how to build a championship team if you drew him a road map.
But he does talk a good game, even in utter defeat and complete failure.
Gotta hand it too him, he does do that and that takes guts.
by Dobermite on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still...
Have faith in " GOLDFINGER "……….Great Name for him…LMAO
utter disaster
I live 20 minutes from Prudential and was excited to go to all the home games this season and next. I was about to even buy season tickets in the pink section.
But not anymore.
Why would anyone pay $200 tickets to watch Travis Outlaw??? His contract is not my money? The Nets are a business trying to sell a product to their fans (customers), so yeah, it would be my money.
I see 1/2 price giveaways all season long – this year and next!
What if Bron comes when we go to Brooklyn? I know it’s the last thing you probably want to hear about, but you know that’s a possibility.
Don't be so sure of that
Plans are already in place if he should not win a title in Miami.
We did not blow it with Boozer...
He wanted the Bulls and used us to drive up the price. If he was interested, his agent would have come back to the Nets. If we offered him the max, the Bulls would have matched and he would have chose them anyway.
this
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
bulls are seen as a loser
5 yrs 80 mill
thats a lot of commitment..what if he injures himself
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Yup, totally agree
And good riddance. He’ll sit on the Bulls bench half the year with his injuries.
The more and more this unfolds, the more I see the vision of the team. Proky is not going to be strongarmed by inferior players.
We’ll make it on our own and shock everyone.
also
proves that Booz wasnt the answer because if it were, he would have gone to the bulls.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Boozer....
Will probably get injured again soon now that he has his new contract….
Yeah he did not give the Nets a chance to match or out bid the Bulls
Since the face been revealed the game got real
and DLee would have taken $76 million, per agent, at least a few days ago.
That is $13 million in year 1, in range with what was predicted would be his price.
An Cap was higher by 2 million.
Instead, by losing Lee, they make Knicks stronger.
Beasley TRADED
To the Wolves for a 2011 2nd round pick
we could have
had him for one of our bazillion picks. darn
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We paid Outlaw $35M when we could have had Beasley for a 2nd round pick? WTF is going on with the Nets?
by jirohkanzaki on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd much rather have outlaw
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
by Gina on Jul 8, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
uh, let me count the ways
Beasley is a pothead and a drunk. Thomas is not.
Beasley has been in rehab and said everyone is against him. Thomas has not.
Beasley doesnt even try to play Defense.
Yi is as good as Beasley.
thats why i love NI
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
NI, You didn't agree with me last year when I told you Miami would trade Beas
…But I’m glad you finally came around :)
Wade's injury prone pass will come back to bite him and throw a wrench in this little dream team crap they have going.
And when it’s only Lebron, Bosh, and Dexter Pittman on the court for 40 games out of the year, this whole joke they’ve played on the league won’t seem so funny.
And the luck would fall on Wade too, tweeting crap like “I should make a site what little do they know.com”
Haha, yeah funny, until karma strikes. She’s a bitch.
Seriously
We need a backup PG and C too. How about, and don’t shoot me, NATE ROBINSON.
Harris / Robinson
Lee / Williams
Outlaw / D. James
Thomas / Favors / Humphries
Lopez / WHO?
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Robinson and Williams on the same team would be unbearable.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Avery and Sam
will be in complete control. No worries there.
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate would be benched by midseason....at the latest.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 8, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
i think he learned his lesson. Ridnour is a good idea though. But Nate would fit better if we’re gonna do a run and gun offense, in my opinion
by corky_romano4life on Jul 8, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
luke can RUN
hes very quick…
not very popular though…ive always liked his game. he can shoot it too
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
i like nate
would be a fan favortie…but we need a back up pg who can handle the rock….
im liking luke ridnour right now
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
We traded Yi for peanuts now we need him as a stretch 4!
by jirohkanzaki on Jul 8, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
we should kept yi
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
but yi and avery wouldnt have worked
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I like peanuts...
Please don’t insult them….
Let's sign SWat so we can have the most athletic frontline in NBA history (Favors/TT/SWat)...
but they’ll collectively average 18 fouls and 6 points.
by jirohkanzaki on Jul 9, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Nate...
But he won’t help our chemistry at all..He will end up a Laker…
Front page of the NY Times online
shows people burning LeBron/Cavs jerseys
red necks
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
LeBron basically did the equivalent to them by setting up the National TV spectacle garbage
I don’t blame ’em.
by Keith Van Bread on Jul 9, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
NO SPIN ZONE
Lets be honest, that statement by Proko is 100% SPIN
DAMAGE CONTROL 101
Straight out of the spin doctors handbook.
“OUR GOALS REMAIN INTACT”
What a Joke!
The Nets got their absolute clocks cleaned and this fool is still trying to sell the same bill of goods.
UNBELIEVABLE
If you want to leave
We haven’t closed the door of the “Jason Kidd Fans”.
Feel free to leave.
I’m a Nets fan for life.
by eLonepb on Jul 9, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not a Kidd, I'm a Nets fan
And have been all my life
But that doesn’t mean I will shill for this sad-sack organization or blindly accept their spin doctoring in the face of complete and utter failure.
You are so 2006
We’re here with a new owner now, so get up to speed please.
+1
Such idiots here. Stop the whining already. The only free Agent with a Chip was Wade after they put 3 hall of famers around him before..lol. The Loosers here are the entire Nba. They let this fiasco get out of control. And it made clows out of alot of people and a few billionaires. You think the owners will EVER forget this? Think the players will ever feel that they aren’t Gods and should take less money? LOCKOUT here we come. And this situation will have lots to do with it.
Can all 3 guys get those superstar calls on the same team??? One of em at least get beaten up. Having them all shoot 20 free throws a game and having 5 guys on the other team foul out every game against the heat would be horrible.
Miami where they will live is a small place they will tire of eachother QUICKLY. In 2 years they will look like a bad “Hangover” sequel. Like dude what happened? Why did we do this?
The NETS are coming!
I am mad about the
The billboard, I thought they did that with inside info, otherwise it makes us look like a 2 bit second class team. C mon you can’t be all blueprint for greatness and sign Travis Outlaw
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Thank you Dobermite
The truth has been told!
Now that the dust has settled...
I am a Nets fan afterall…
I wanted Cousins but now I’m all for Favors
I wanted Crawford/Stanley Robinson but no effort becoming a DJames fan-he’s a beast!
I see no difference between Outlaw and Beasley but Nets chose to pay Outlaw $35M instead of giving up a 2nd rd pick for Beasley but I know I’ll warm up to this someday.
I’d rather have the more versatile Mike Miller and we can offer him more money than his other suitors but we are going after Kyle Korver for probably the same amount of money.
Tyrus Thomas…oh well… let’s just try for Melo next yr but I know we’ll sign TT next week and lose the money for Melo…
GOOD FOR THEM
They have every right to be pissed…I remember burning my Antoine Wright Jersey when he left…….
Not for nothing
But my Tamar Slay is still eternally burning.
The greatest “groin injury” of all time.
Ryan Gomes is equal if not better than Outlaw
He just got a 3 years 12 mil deal from Clips.. how does Outlaw get 5 years 35 mil? What is wrong with the Nets?
I think....
That you need to see Travis Play…You will like his game…It’s not alot of money for him….
Hey, if we do get Tyrus Thomas, we clearly would have the most athletic team in the league.
LETS GO NETS!
Ugghhh..
What is the Bobcats cap space/ability to match look like?
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 9, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this is back in the day but still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM9Gp0aE2LM
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I was away for a few days - what happened?
Looks like everyone hopped in a time machine and went back to pre-Proky crybaby land. A few views:
The billboard was and is awesome (unless your name is Jay-Z). It means Proky is not going anywhere. If he had kept his head down he could have slipped back to Russia, but he is out there bigger then life and that is great news for us.
I would rather have Outlaw (athletic, versatile and most importantly veteran presense for a young team) then overpay Boozer or Lee. And 5/75 is overpaying Lee. I would have liked to punch the Knicks in the stomach by stealing Lee, but he is not the best fit for a defensive team.
We finished second in the off season with Proky and Avery. This his long term, this is huge. If we had Proky last year (so a full support staff including scouts and film guys) and Avery and average injuries (you will always have some) we win 25 games easy. Now add one more year to Lopez, CLee and TWill. We will be competitive – no guarantees of the playoffs, but we will be competitive.
Three solids drafts in a row.
Brooklyn is real. Newark is a great stopover.
Things are miles better then last year. Not perfect. But miles better and lots of upside.
You just overpaid Outlaw
Gomes got 3 years 12 mil… as a season-ticket holder, I deserve answers! Gomes is a career 11 and 5 guy while Outlaw is 9 and 3 LOL!!!
Everybody gets overpaid these days!
What about Darko getting 20 million from Minnesota?! Now that’s OVERPAID!
by Timothy Boutillier on Jul 9, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
i like only 3 years though
if it doesn’t work they are not married to him for half a decade
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Foolish propaganda at its best
1. You find it convenient to round up Gomes’ numbers (10.9 and 4.6) to 11 and 5 while rounding down Outlaws numbers (9.9 and 3.5) to 9 and 3.
2. Gomes – 29.1 minutes per game, Outlaw on a team stacked at his position – 21 minutes per game
Moral: Take everything you read on this board with a grain of salt, half the people don’t know what the hell they are complaining about
We're from Jersey!
We complain about everything!
by Timothy Boutillier on Jul 9, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Atleast we are not Cleveland or Knicks fans! They have less to look forward to than us.
LETS GO NETS!
Are we really have a conversation about Travis Outlaw vs. Ryan Gomes?!
Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Timothy Boutillier on Jul 9, 2010 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
Travis Outlaw is better now and has more potential for us over the next five years to contribute. If he stays healthy.
LETS GO NETS!
Harris/Ridnour
Clee/Twill
Outlaw/Korver/James
Tyrus/Favors/Hump
Lopez/
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I think it was either Outlaw OR Korver.
Nets picked Outlaw.
Look for a PF and possibly a PG to be signed.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 9, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
but we need shooting
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
outlaw is a decent shooter
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
but we MOST be lethal !
LOL
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
no problem with
outlaw he might be really good for us, but he might not
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Now that we lost out on David Lee, we should take a flyer out on Tyrus Thomas. I would not over pay though. I would also try to get Luke Ridnour before the Knicks do. He would be the PERFECT backup for us.
LETS GO NETS!
Start Ridnour.....
And trade Harris for a Lottery Pick in " 2011 " before he gets injured….
The fact that Scott Skiles, who is a WAY BETTER coach than Avery Johnson, wouldn’t even start Ridnour over a ROOKIE (Brandon Jennings) should tell you something.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
O we overpaid for that dunk!
Could have gotten the same dunk for half price!
by Timothy Boutillier on Jul 9, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
we need one
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Have you ever given thought to hiring staff writers?
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
If Outlaw ends up playing well...
That would be hilarious after everyone (or mostly everyone) groaning at this signing.
9 PPG and 3 RPG
35 million sure doesn’t get you what it used too
NON SCORING and NON REBOUNDING
…. defensive specialists are not 35 million dollar players
Well, maybe as the final piece to a championship puzzle, but this team is LIGHT YEARS away from that.
Compare their 2 best seasons together
Gomes: 13 points and 5 rebounds in 31 minutes per (08-09 Minnesota team- 24-58 record)
Outlaw: 13 points and 4 rebounds in 27 minutes per (08-09 Portland Team – 54-28 record)
Which player do you think is more efficient and had a bigger impact on their team?
by Timothy Boutillier on Jul 9, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Bron will want us when we go to Brooklyn. You may not want him, but if given another chance, especially with what happened this time, you know he’s gonna be here.
DUDE.....
You’re still going on about LeBron… Give it up already!
A little late to the party?
Look, I know he’s not coming here right now. Duh. He’s in Miami, but when we go to Brooklyn, if he has no title, and we have a contending team that’s one superstar away, you know he’s gonna jump at the chance to come here. My whole theory is based on Brooklyn. I’m not going on; i’m simply stating the facts.
if he can't get a title in miami...
i think we should consider about him seriously…
we can still build a very good team…
I agree
NJNETS13 missed the point. Whether the fans want him or not, if he even so much as bats his eyes at us, we are almost obligated to take him. Knoeing he might be available again+the growth of this team means passing on him once is OK. Passing on him twice is not. We may say this stuff now, but I guarantee you we’ll all be here in 2 or 3 years saying we want him.
The facts???
And you know this because before LeBron went on his reality show last night, you spoke to him right? NO, you are going off of speculation…. Get over it, he will be in Miami for at least 5 years, he is not going to jump ship again, it ain’t happening…
how about 13 and 5
the two years before he was hurt.
Doesnt that count.
Go to Travis Outlaw’s official site…and under videos take a look at “Mr. Fourth Quarter” a video compilation of his game winners put together by the Blazers.
Learn.
i think he could do great
but 5 years makes me sweat a bit ,thats been my point this whole time.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Are you seriously trying to sell Nets fans on Travis Outlaw?
After the Nets got totally skunked with all of the elite free agents?
Is this your idea or are you on the payroll?
NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK … its actually a serious question and I’ll accept your answer either way
Before Outlaw, the Nets had 32 MILLION in cap space.
They had to put people on the roster.
Outlaw is a well rounded player, still young enough to do something, who got paid around MLE money.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 9, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
you are right on dobermite
no need for his approval. he is mediocre player signed for an above average salary when we waited through a 12-70 season with the faint of hope of getting the very best. It is a moot point and does not even warrant discussion.
I agree
I didn’t like him last night and I still don’t but I never said he didn’t have talent. But I have more of a problem with the contract then the player. If it was a 2 or 3 year 9 or 12 million contract maybe a little more, then I would say worth the risk. But 4 years down the road if this signing prevents us from something we need, I am gonna be angry.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
exactly BL3
3 years at 15 mill we all could probably live with but 5 gyaranteed years for this bum is absurd!!!
what risk?
this isnt some monster contract…it’s the league average, just configured to the NETS advantage, assuming the cap will be smaller and tighter in the future.
If the Nets were over the cap, this would have been handled as an MLE, which is the average of NBA contracts.
whats your point?
really, what is your point?
Is it YOUR money?
Will this prohibit the Nets from signing someone else?
Does it personally offend your sensibilities?
What are you trying to say?
How do you know what the affects will be in 3or 4 years?
What if we can’t get a player cause we signed Outlaw. 5 years is a long time and 7 million is a decent piece of the cap room on a maybe talented, but a 7th year unproven player
Since the face been revealed the game got real
But that is my point.
like I said I hope he works out, but if it doesn’t the Nets are married to him .
Since the face been revealed the game got real
It Just Galls me
That we had 32 million to spend and couldn’t find ONE elite FA to take our money, so now we have to throw 5 Years/35 Million at garbage like Travis Outlaw.
This is like expecting a bike on X-Mas, then you look under the tree and you have a GI Joe … and really that might be an insult to GI Joe.
ITS DISAPPOINTING, NI
Why can’t you get that?
Do you feel even the least bit disappointed?
Dobermite, the point is
As Nets fans, we are utterly disappointed that Travis Outlaw is our FA prize this summer. He is not a bad player, at all. But he is NOT a prize, either.
Travis Outlaw is NOT going to win more than 5 games for Nets this year.
And certainly Travis Outlaw is NOT going to sell tickets or get me to come see the Nets.
And as a Nets fan (so far, but for how long?) we can certainly voice our displeasure at the ridiculous contract management presented to Outlaw.
What was the thinking behind that contract? It just reeks of blind desperation and senselessness. No, Proky, I have no confidence in your plan. As a fan, this is what I sense now: You gave the keys to Thorn, and Thorn completely utterly failed. He is out of control, and Proky has no one else to rely on. FAILURE. This is an utter shambles.
i think outlaw is a great gamble
but I don’t think it makes any sense to commit 5 years to a game.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Gina
Last nite you agreed with me that you wanted no part of Joe Average garbage like Outlaw, Korver and Tyrus.
What changed since last nite?
the same problem I did
last night why 5 years and a bit much per year
I think he has talent
Since the face been revealed the game got real
? Nothing's changed
at the price he’s being paid it would be reasonable gamble, if it was a short term contract. He’s not going to take up all our cap space and turn us into a 40 win team with no cap room.
my issues is that if the gamble doesn’t pay off we’re stuck with him for 4 more years.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
Thanks BL3 and the few others
Who refuse to buy that GIANT STINK BOMB the Nets are selling
Yeah but don't get me wrong,
I wanted Lebron, Bosh, or Wade, and Lee. They tried which is fine and the players didn’t want to come here, but lets get back to building through the draft. We need franchise players to build around and if you can’t sign them then you have to draft them.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
BUT HEY
THta’s what happens when you have 32 million to spend and no elite FA’s who want to take your money. They you start panicing and throwing five year deals at garbage.
well
I would rather pay more for crap players to shorter terms. Of course the players want long term deals, but I would rather give Outlaw a 3 year deal at 8.5 million so we can get out of it when something better comes along. But they must sign players to get to the cap floor, just not long term deals.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
um when his previous 7 years haven't been that good
i’m not sure why the fact he’s in his prime is relevant. like I said above you could argue telfair is about to enter his prime, are we gonna commit 5 years to him too.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
We;re still in a better spot than the Knicks
and on that note…
GOODNIGHT
-Say man when I was growing up we wanted a Jacuzzi, we had to fart in the tub.
I say we should make a major push for Luke Ridnour! We can mold this team into a playoff team to be reckoned with if Avery gets full out effort. We are getting the ’type" of players to do this with. DEFENSE WINS!
LETS GO NETS!
a bidding war for tyrus thomas?
fantastic. i’ve had enough. i think it’s time for me to enter my name into NBA fan-free agency. I’ll be consulting with the following teams:
OKC
Portland
San Antonio
NYK (for ultimate backstab potential)
Lakers (best shot to win)
and of course, the Nets
and on August 1st I will choose a team to be a fan of. let the summer of Shane begin!
Let them have him
He’s an over-rated piece of garbage anyway
hes a restricted FA
nets will apparently offer a frontloaded contract that Charlotte wont match
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
You know, I can accept Tyrus Thoams
As long as he comes for Travis Outlaw money for less years… My personal philosophy, in every sport, is that if you were a top 5 or so pick in the draft, it was for a reason… and you might be salvageable. Thomas is still only 23 and an athletic monster, should fit in well in an uptempo scheme… just as long as we have money for the Summer of Melo next year or enough assets and space to trade for CP3. Winning like the Pistons did is extremely tenuous, we need a star whether it’s lucking into Melo/CP3 or hoping a drafted piece like Perry Jones or Harrison Barnes are that caliber.
Hey look at the bright side...
If we get Thomas and both he and Favors pan out, we’ll have the best big men in the league?
~AC24
The Politi column linked above
is really poignant – take the time to check it out.
I want tyrus thomas now
nets are going to run like animals!
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
Both need to go
Time to start over with people committed to making it work in Newark and willing to re-build this tortured fan base rather than trying to creating one with such a slim chance of existing after the LeBron farce.
I hate to break it to you Isaac
But this ’’farce’’ as you labeled it will happen again in 3 years time(maybe 2) when we go to Brooklyn, and this time it will be different. I was(as i’m sure you know) on here tooting the Bron horn, cause I thought he was coming here. I never stopped to think about what if he didn’t, and the reasons. It’s obvious it was Brooklyn. Even inside sources said that. So, you know what he’s gonna do in either 2012 or 2013. The question is: How will you feel about him being here then?
how about this?
harris / twill
clee / childress
outlaw / james
thomas / favors
lopez / ????
Watching some of Kyrie Irving's highlights
I don’t want to come off as a Jersey homer, but I think he is going to be an absolute stud. He’s so quick with the ball, creative, agile, and while he’s not a freak athlete like John Wall he’s still a very good one… I like Harris but if we get the chance to draft Irving and Barnes/Jones are off the board, I’m taking him no hesitation and I’m looking to move Harris.
people will be clamoring for Jared Jefferies
after a year or two of Outlaw
You seriously need to stop judging a guy you’ve clearly never seen play because if you had, you’d realise he could be an asset for us. Is he a franchise player? Of course not, but for now, that ship has sailed. You have two choices: you either get over it, or you don’t. Neither, of course, will change a single thing.
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Most of you peeps have lost your cabezas.
I know u all love the Nets. Most people here do. But the level of hypocrisy is insane.
Complaints when we don’t pay. Complaints when we do.
We still have intact the core of what is legitimately good on this team; some of which has the potential to be great. We have a legitimately new coach. We have a legitimate new arena to play in. We have some money to play with and great athletic youth.
I for one am thrilled to have made it out of the woods with any further entanglement of this ridiculous circus.
Go Nets.
You new Net fans kind of make me sick
As a season ticket holder for six years i’m fine and am willing to be patient to have a good team. Obviously the prize was Lebron and we didn’t get him but how is this a failure. IMO only a healthy Stoudemire could truly help us. Bosh is overrated and overpaid now,Boozer the same (nets underbid not to get him and save face for most upset posters here), Wae was never leaving so what were the Nets to do.
If we signed players like Lee and Boozer for max contracts then you would all be crying when the time came in a few years why don’t we have cap room when Melo, or Paul or whoever else comes up as a real max contract player to sign.
Outlaw was a good signing, what were the Nets to do ,sign nobody and while he might be slightly overpaid at least he has some game. Christ Brendon Haywood just signed for 55 million for six years.
Our young players will be better this year, Favors I doubt will contribute much, TWILL better ,Lopez better, Harris hopefully Healthy,no Yi, better Coaching, better arena and place to play in can only help,
Other then getting Lebron do you really think we were going to win it all soon.
In the end I don’t want Prokorov to make us the Yankees of the NBA, when an if we win it will be sweeter.
And if the Nets make the eighth seed and I can sell my tickets for the playoffs against Miami all the better. I already know that half the people commenting here are lining to but their Miami jerseys already, I alreay know for my free NET jersey I got with my ticket renewal im getting an OUTLAW….its gonna be cool.
by adameyeball on Jul 9, 2010 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Easy bro.. Congratulations on being a fan for 6 years! I’ve been a Net fan for the entirety of my 23 year life and there are a whole lot of fans here who have been Nets fans for a whole lot longer than that. Consider yourself a newcomer and, by the way, the last 6 years have been some of the best the Nets have had. Moreover, I would hardly consider you a real fan since you’re going to give up on the team as soon as they make the playoffs.
being a season ticket holder for 6 years
doesn’t mean you’ve only been a fan for 6 years. That’s ridiculous. How many years have you been buying your own Nets tickets at the ripe old age of 23?
You’re right i can’t afford tickets. I’ve bought 1 ticket in my life and have been to a handful of games, but I wouldn’t be selling if I had playoff tickets. Alright, my last sentence was a little harsh, but I just have an issue with people trying to call out all these “new” net fans. We’re all in this together and the more Nets fans the better.
Thanks for that idea
I agree with everything you said – and I’ve been a season ticket holder for just a little longer than you. And if I don’t go for the Lopez jersey, OUTLAW on a Nets jersey is an awesome idea.
"I don’t want Prokorov to make us the Yankees"
This is where we differ, Adam
I ABSOLUTELY want my owner to emulate the NY Yankees
I would kill for one championship, much less the 5,647 the Yankees are working on now
I would kill to field a team that looks like it CAN’T LOSE on paper, corner the market on elite FA’s, much like Miami did … as opposed to watching Miami kick the crap out of the Nets every time they play, as they most definitely will.
I've been with the team for almost a decade
So i’m not new.
I know we're disappointed
tonight, but we need to calm down. The sky isn’t falling.
"I want to win now, not 3 years from now. That's my stance." - Kevin Burkhardt
what's the deal with the head of the guy who wants LeBron/Durant?
Are those speakers on the side of his head? Is he meant to be an airhead? What IS that? Looks like the train that I ride every day (N/R/Q) and that guy’s downright spooky.
Oh
Does anyone here think that Al Harrington could help us, he could come cheap and be a good role player. Childress or Ridnour would be good . We really could use someoidy who could bury threes too. There are plenty of guys who can help us and make us watchable.
Ridnour maybe, Childress or Harrington NO!
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The Knicks and Hawks
have commited to paying Stoudemire and Johnson $25 million in year six of their contracts…when Stoudemire has had FOUR surgeries on his knee and when both of them will be 33 at the end of their deals.
THAT’s a risk. $7 million in year five when a player is 30 is not a risk.
THANK YOU!
This guy gets it.
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David Lee will make $20 million
in year six when he is 32. Does ANYONE here think David Lee, at age 32, is going to worth $20 million????
He isn't worth year 1 of that contract
Please Prokhorov never again listen to the fools that told you it was a good idea to retain Rod Thorn
...And then there's Carlos Boozer
This Bulls team with him on it will be no better than that Jazz team was with him on it.
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That’s debatable. They don’t have Millsap.
Honestly, I don’t think they are actually going to be as good as last season’s Jazz.
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My calculation is if Nets offered DLee 13 million in year one, it would be 17.7 million in year 5, when he is 31, for a 76.3 million total..
His agent said he wanted 76 million, which is better than 80 over 5 years (at least a couple of days ago).
Yes DLee would have been worth it for sure, especially since he would have hurt the Knicks and immensely helped with the battle with Knicks for fans.
The sign outside MSG could have remained if David Lee was signed.
Nets would make playoffs in year one, with improvement expected in year 2.
Noone is winning a championship anyway.
Yes, Thorn blew it.
Most likely no,
but in the years before that 6th year is David Lee gonna start every game, give you a solid performance, be a fan favorite , and be a major reason why you win most nights?
But I get your point, all the players are getting paid this year so the market was set already and thats why Outlaw got what he did, but I still don’t have to like the years. lol
Since the face been revealed the game got real
which year does he stop being a good investment ?
in year 3 when he is 30 and earning $16+ million, year 4 when he is making #17.5 million, year 5, when he is making $19 million or year 6, when he making $21 million?
In each of those years, after the new CBA, his contract will be among the biggest and thos hardest to move in the NBA.
Even though I like Lee, I am happy they are not invested long term for those players, But Lee had offers on the table from a few teams and more then not they over paid for him. But they were willing to pay him that kind of money for those many years, otherwise he would of went to another team.
Was the Outlaw signing an over reaction once they knew they were not getting Lebron? If they offered him a 3 year contract with more a year would he have taken it? Did the Nets need to offer him that contract with that money or he was going to another team?
I do not know the answers to those questions, but do I not have a right to ask them? If I have a gripe with a move the team made isn’t this the place to bring it up? You are saying I can not have an opinion on the matter unless it is my money, or it directly affects me? I am suppost to blindly agree with the moves a 12 win team makes? I thought that was what this website was, a place do discuss the Nets and the moves they make good and bad. Should I only comment when I like what they do and keep quiet when I don’t?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
no
amar’e played great last year. there’s no point of having 30 mil of cap room when nobody wants to play for you.
The Knicks have a star, better than any player the Nets have, and they still have room to go after free agents and flexibility to make trades. Melo wants to go there, and Eddy Curry’s contract comes up next year.r
The Nets overpaid for Travis Outlaw, so please don’t bring up overpaying. Amar’e is a five time all-star, all nba first team before, dominant and respected big man. Outlaw shot 38% from the field last year, isn’t a starter, and got 7 mil per.
The Nets tried to “overpay” for Boozer and Lee, they just didn’t want to play for the Nets. Don’t spin this in a positive manner. This off season has been an utter failure for Prokorov, Avery, Thorn and the Nets organization.
Again, SO WHAT?
what is the downside of the Outlaw contract, other than offending certain fans’ sensibilities.
In year five, when he is 30, he will be making $7 million. Because the Nets configured the deal they way they did, he will make more money when the Nets are under the cap and less money when they will be over it.
Yet, to hear the same people talk, giving David Leee $21 million in year six or Carlos Boozer $19.5 million in year five of his deal, when both with will be in their early 30’s, is a better investment.
HUH?
What's there to gain?
From crying over spilt milk? Seriously…
And please don’t try to act as if Amar’e is a Championship level PF. He ain’t.
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True. If the Knicks get Carmelo next year, they will be very good. With Amare and no Nash, not so good. WE did strike out in free agency and we lost the lottery, but, we have to bounce back and put some pieces in play to make us watchable again.
LETS GO NETS!
THE KNICKS ARE NOT GETTING CARMELO
He will sign the Denver offer or his agent will have him committed.
I honestly don't think Amar'e is any better than Lopez
Amar’e has greatly benefited from having Steve Nash running the show… Lopez was basically by himself for the first 50 or so games… he’s much more skilled than Amar’e, Stoudemire is just an athlete who needs set up to be effective… the Knicks will find that out.
Yup.
We already know we’re getting an overpaid bench player so there’s no risk at all.
World Series attitude, champagne bottle life, nothing every changes so tonight is like tomorrow night.
very little
if you want to pay Amare $124 million over six (which the Nets NEVER wanted to do or offered), you have commited to paying Amare $25 million in year six of his deal, to a player whose knees cant be insured, who will have to retire if he gets another eye injury.
But if you are asking me would I rather
have 35 million invested in a player as opposed to 80 or a 100 million, other then the fact most of those guys are impact players and can win games yes I am glad Outlaw is our risk as opposed to Amare.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
What does good luck in risk management mean??
I do not folow ??
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I'm not really sure why the fact we didn't do something as stupid
as two of the worst front offices in the league is a positive.
I want Jerry Manuel fired now, not three years from now. That is my stance.- John Peterson
For the record NJNET or Joe Beningo (listen bro)I have been a full time season ticket holder for six years and a fan for much longer then that as I had partial plans before that. All while I lived in Brooklyn and drove to the least accessible arena around. I was only kidding about selling my ticket . For the record for all those six great years the Nets still managed to draw nobody. I’m not trying to disrespect you and appreciate you being a fan but you have to admit a lot of fans here are apocalyptic here.
I am just ready for the Nets to make their next moves and move on from this entire offseason.
by No Sleep Till Brooklyn on Jul 9, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions
Happily, the front pages of newspapers/websites have already moved on
That is, the newspapers (well, their websites) that actually report news. They’ve moved on to the serial killer they captured in CA. Now THAT’s news you don’t hear every day.
I think
im gonna get killed for this….Our new plan is to sign some young guys with untapped potential. Looking at thomas and outlaws stats and vids. these guys probably would wind up playing 15 minutes more than what they played in some of there best years…10 at least. And idk why so many people are forgetting Twill..he dominated end of last year and has carried it thru the summer. Time to move on
by Kevin Growney on Jul 9, 2010 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Net Income - Is there anything to what Kerber said?
…About us signing Korver next?
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again
the Nets looked at Korver and then decided to move on to Outlaw.
Kerber rewrote his blog to reflect that.
I see. Thanks for the clarification.
One more question: are we actively chasing any other outside shooters?
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WHo else is getting an OUTLAW jersey?
Since Devin Harris already has 34 maybe he could get a cool number to match his name too. My choices would be 00,13 or 62 just for fun. whos with me.
If outlaw
is ever a decent player ill get his jersey
1.)hes gonna be here for 5 years
2.)outlaw is a sweet name
by Kevin Growney on Jul 9, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He can’t wear 25 on this team. We retired it.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jul 9, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
sisterray what number would you like to see OUTLAW in , its really going to be a great Jersey I bet we get new jerseys this year no pun intended
i don't think we can get new jerseys, can we?
I thought it has to be approved by Stern and company well in advance.
Anybody?
How about 91
And on a side note, sisterray, I told Annie what you said about the dinner and the patience she had, and she said thank you.
I'll go with 91
Is that the highest number ever worn on a jersey?
I never liked 0 or 00 – always seemed to me like there might be some serious psychological baggage with someone who chooses to wear that. Like Gilbert Arenas: “people thought I was a zero.” Well, guess what, pal, you had to work at it, but you proved them right!
Jron
Annie is my girlfriend. I basically ignored her while the whole Bron thing dragged out, so sisterray said I should take her out for a nice dinner, and that she was incrdibly patient, so Annie wanted me to tell her thank you for the kind words.
here's to you Annie
We should all have your good attitude
Nets fans are crazy
I’m disappointed as much as you guys. But lets be realistic we put all our eggs in the Lebron basket and came up empty. I’m glad we took the shot. I Would of loved Boozer and I would of liked Lee (not for the sign and trade cost GS payed though). the fact is we are still in a good position moving forward. Lebron is a once in a lifetime free agent, boozer and Lee are twice in a free agency type player. We had an long shot chance at Lebron, and we gassed our selves up on it. It our fault. Last week it was “Lebron will come here because we have such a great core of young talent.” Now it is "we suck? " Contradiction? I really believe the Proky will do all he can to live up to his lofty expectations, that in it’s self is a reason for optimism despite the fact this offseason has been a bust.
Jared Allen
He wears #69. It’s just a number… you pervs.
why is it your favorite number, because it's lucky?
Or because you love Jared Allen?
Anyway, I’m more of a basketball girl. So many of those football players seem like thugs (although a season’s worth of Giants tix just fell in my lap).
Boycott!!
I think ALL fans of ALL teams outside of Miami should just boycott and not even show up at the arenas when the Heat play on the road. That’d be funny, to see this “super team” play in front of empty arenas all over the country.
NJ got over-hyped by Prokhorov being on board. Until he shows us something, im not convinced. I’m still finding it strange Thorn suddenly decides to retire as soon as we get a new owner who actually has cash to spend after he worked for a broke owner in Ratner. Oh well, I just hope we dont get dragged through the ringer again and watch Carmelo re-sign with Denver.
On the bright side we can now stop making moves based on a pipe dream
The trouble with pipe dreams is everything goes down the drain when they’re flushed.
OK, I just wanted to say I am sorry if I gave any of you guys false hope with Bron. That is just how I am, so hopefully no one took any of it personally. I wrote a FanPost, which was taken down for a silly reason, about it, so you can have at me now.
Kovalchuk,Brodeur,Parise
Reasons i will go to the rock this season
What about this as the blueprint for greatness?
Melo – Born in Red Hook, Brooklyn.
and…
Rubio – Don’t know if this guy is coming to the States ever, but very exciting player, and great for the Global brand.
or….
CP3
Net Income
Even though I like Lee, I am happy they are not invested long term for those players, But Lee had offers on the table from a few teams and more then not they over paid for him. But they were willing to pay him that kind of money for those many years, otherwise he would of went to another team.
Was the Outlaw signing an over reaction once they knew they were not getting Lebron? If they offered him a 3 year contract with more a year would he have taken it? Did the Nets need to offer him that contract with that money or he was going to another team?
I do not know the answers to those questions, but do I not have a right to ask them? If I have a gripe with a move the team made isn’t this the place to bring it up? You are saying I can not have an opinion on the matter unless it is my money, or it directly affects me? I am suppost to blindly agree with the moves a 12 win team makes? I thought that was what this website was, a place do discuss the Nets and the moves they make good and bad. Should I only comment when I like what they do and keep quiet when I don’t?
Since the face been revealed the game got real
he is the corporate cheerleader
he supported Yi with undying love and dedication when then management wanted Yi.
then when new management dropped Yi, where was he? not a word.
he is the corporate mouthpiece.
BPforGre
Bron in 2012 or 2013. Sources admitted a week and a half ago that we would have had him if not for Newark. So you know he’ll want us when we get to Brooklyn. He might want us more if we get CP3.
yeah if he has an opt out after 3 years, then I agree you are on to something.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Agreed on Brooklyn
But I don’t know if Lebron can opt out yet or will even want to with the dynasty he may build in miami. If Lebron wants to come here fine but I hope we are build around counting on that. Bring in a legit star asap and go from there.
I think he wants to win one plain and simple. But I think he wants to win one w/o the other 2 at some point. What if the three of them is just bad news together, you never know.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
BPforGre
I agree and in 2 years, we might have our own star through draft or another FA. But if Lebron wants to play in Brooklyn, I don’t think they will turn him down.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
Obviously if we are in a postion to get him we do it
I’m just saying I’m not with just being mediocre and holding a spot just for the possibility of Bron again. I don’t know about this playoff team this year champion in 5 thing. All I can say is I want a legit contender by the time we move into Brooklyn. We need to have a product moving into NY that steals Knicks fans.Having young talented players and building works for the time being. But we need something sexy in 2012
BPforGre
I agree with everything you said, but here is my question(s):
Would you take him on if you were Prokhorov and Jay?
Would you feel the same way then as you would have had he signed with us now?
To answer...
Not really sure what exactly you are asking but form my understanding of your questions.
I would love to have Lebron in the future. I think he made the right decision going to Miami over the Nets because he clearly has a better opportunity to win now, maybe it would be different if we landed Paul. Despite the fact he is an egotistic self promoter he is the most talented player I’ve seen in my life.
If we had signed him, we have our sexy player going into Brooklyn, and we build around him so that problem is solved.
Yeah but 5 years is along time in the NBA
Think how much this team and its young players can change in just 2 years. I hope in 2 years Favors will realize the pontential he has and be one of the best 4’s in the league. Damion James looks great early which says nothing but it is exciting to project he will be great. Yeah I want them to procede as if Lebron wasn’t coming and be pleasantly surprised if he does. Remember all the draft ammo we have going forward and one way or another we will get our blue chipper to build around, maybe he is already on the team.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
It may be a long shot but my plan to build this franchise would be...
Trade for Paul NOW, and see how this team develops around him. Just look at what Kidd did for the franchise. Then you have a great selling point to Melo….like “listen we have am once in a lifetime point guard in Paul here, a dominant center which you don’t fin in todays game. You were born in Brooklyn, you will be cherished here. With this team you will go in the history books. We will win championships and for generations they will be debating about Paul, Anthony, and Lopez vs. Wade, Lebron, and Bosh.” That is my dream lol
I agree Paul is awesome,
and it would be nice to build around him, but it depends what it will cost. and he does have durability concerns. I just don’t want to give up the farm for him, cause what if we can’t lock him up long term? Instead of building a team to attract a certain player like Bron or Mello, I just want them to draft well and be smart with our signings. By doing this everything will fall into place with Paul or Mello, or without them.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I meant in 2 or 3 year's time
This is gonna sound like pre-Bron talk, but there are signs to look for. If he puts an opt-out clause in his contract, that tells you what he’s thinking. There’s always gonna be a spot for him because of Brooklyn, but also I heard Carmelo will probably sign that 3-year deal with the Nuggets. I get the feeling Paul will be on the team in the not too distant future. We all know that’s Bron’s buddy, and he’ll definitely want to play with him. I think if we build a contender, he’ll look for his first way out of Miami to get here. I really think that’s what’s gonna happen.
Well Melo is the example b/c for now he will be a free agen.
That selling point could work for Lebron, or any other star hitting the market. My point is getting Paul is the key. If we get this guy who is as good as they get and very popular among player in the league the chips will fall into place.
Paul + Lopez +a great ownership group, coaching staff, and GM (the only missing component) + a new New York Franchise = the blueprint for greatness.
Lebron creating a juggernaut in Miami hurts
But it isn’t the worst thing that can happen. It would of been a complete disaster and embarrassment for this franchise if he went to the Knicks. Now we have to sell this team as the New York team of the future, and the competition for the Miami. Great teams are remembered, but great rivalries are what create legends.
Just need to do it on the court,
and everything else will fall into place. They are smart fans, it would be easy to see which team has the brighter future.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
You know what the funny thing is? Bron’s in Miami for now, and yet we’re still talking about him. That shows you what the thinking is. I know we have to get past it, but I just think(in a strange way) until he either comes here, or stays in Miami past the opt-out clause, he’s always gonna loom over the franchise. That’s because of Brooklyn. Brooklyn is the best thing that happened to the organization, and would be enhanced if(and when) he eventually comes here, but I hope the players don’t play like we’re waiting for him. I have to think any member in any position of the organization knows this.
lupo
Yeah I m past it, time to move on. I think we are talking about it cause it just happened. I am not worried about him coming to Brookilyn no matter how real of a possibilty it is. We can’t wait on him lets just focus on the present, and the Nets future looks bright.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
BL3ACH
I agree with you on all accounts, but it’s not that we’re waiting on him, it’s that, if Miami doesn’t win, and we keep getting better, it’s always gonna be brought up. Yes, we have a bright future, and HE sees that. In an indirect way, if a lockout occurs, the NBA is helping it along by going out for a whole season. That covers the first 2 years of the deal, and if he has no title going into the 1st post-lockout season, plus that’s also the year before his opt-out year, you’re gonna hear about this. I don’t blame you if you don’t care. All i’m saying is that it’s inevitable.
is one of those big 3 guys taking less than max $?
because that’s just WRONG. How much does Miller get in year 1 and how close is that to what Beasley is paid?
yep they all signed for less than max
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When is this bidding war for Tyrus going to begin
Harris/Ridnour
Clee/Twill
Outlaw/James
Tyrus/Favors/Hump
Lopez
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nets are going to our run you….
"We’re the new Nets. We’re leaving the old behind and we’re in with the new. Hopefully LeBron is going to be a part of that."
-Coach Avery Johnson.
I still can't believe the Cav's owner wrote that letter. LOL
I thought it was from an angry fan.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
I would not
have a problem with either of them. As long as they don’t get signed to crazy contracts.
Since the face been revealed the game got real
People are being a tad reactionary towards Prokhorov. Rod thorn sat and did nothing. The repots of the nets presentation to lebron was good, which is nice cause we never had a chance from the start.
You couldn't tell his mind was made up??
Nothing the Nets did or didn’t to had anything to do with Lebron’s decision.
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No
He looked nervous from the start. I know part of that was Cleveland, but let’s be real, whether we want him or not, if we build a contending team that’s thisclose to winning, you know he’s coming here. I really do think he wanted us, but what I said in my other post, plus our inactivity doomed us. I just can’t get the fact he’ll want Brooklyn out of his head, and he would have taken Newark had other things gone differently.
SMH
Everyone thought we could fix a TWELVE WIN TEAM overnight – it takes several years, so be PATIENT, for god’s sake. Let the young guys develop and sign/draft the players that fit the best (a la OKC). What do we need over the course of two-three years?
A defensive bruiser next to Lopez, an athletic shooter at the 3, a quality backup PG, a backup center to Lopez, and the overall development of the young’ns (TWill, James, Favors, CLee & Lopez)
in fact, I like we target on Outlaw and Tyrus now.
We don’t need those “stars” with swaggers, I prefer have our own kids and add some helpers to play with him.
Devin Harris + Brook Lopez are our best two players, and now we have a strong power forwards in Tyrus Thomas and Derrick Favors to help playing defense.
And Outlaw to go with Terrence Williams, Damion James, and C.Lee.
We are a run and gun team, we will be the warriors in the East with serious defense.
Probably not
But he’d ask him to lend his name to a new line of stonewash jeans…
“Outlaw! by Prokhorov”.
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How can you blame Prokhorov for this he gave his pitch I’m sure we had a great presentation and I believe we had a great package to offer but it wasn’t meant to be. Proky is going to put the resources into play to allow us to be successful and we move ahead just low the other teams who missed out on LeBron. We have a lot going in our favor we have a very young team with a very good coaching staff in place to nurture and develop that talent. Brook is going to be an allstar at the toughest position to fill and Favors has a chance to become a great side kick next to him in the post. Terrence Williams is our mini LeBron who is improving and is expected to take on a bigger role. Courtney Lee and Devin are a solid albeit not spectacular back court and as much as everyone has trashed the Outlaw signing (yeah ok we overpaid a little who doesn’t in free agency) he is another solid all around player with length and potential who can continue to grow with our core. Damion James has looked like he will be a contributor based on his summer league play and we still have tons of flexibility in the form of draft picks (ten in the next three years) and cap space. We are a very young team, be happy you’re not a Cavs fan. We stay the course, buildnour team the right way and we will be successful but to trash the team and owner now because of the outcome of an egomaniacs decision is pointless and ignorant. If you don’t like it become a Heat fan maybe this will weed out some of the fake fans but if you’re a true fan you stand by your team no matter.
THE BLUEPRINT FOR GREATNESS
by hoopskidd5 on Jul 9, 2010 8:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
hoopskidd5
I agree with the 1st part of what you said, and that is my whole point. We all know we made him the best presentation, and don’t that won’t stick in his mind should he be unsuccessful in Miami
Not ready to hear this yet...
I didn’t want James, but I still want a pure shooter and we don’t have one yet.
I’m willing to wait to see if Favors develops into the intimidator at the 4 spot this team hasn’t had since K-Mart. so I understand passing on Stoudamire and Boozer.
But I could do without the “Blueprint” billboard and “5-year plan” (so Soviet…) when our signing so far is Travis Outlaw for too much money.
Still, “In Rod We Trust”…?
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